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>>24377520

"Hey, I've got an idea," you tell Selene. "Let's go make a dragon toy for your sister. Maybe later I can show you some Conjuration. For now, though, I'll teach you some Alchemy. Does that sound like fun?"

"Yes!" Selene says eagerly. "What do we do?"

"First, we go grab some things out of the arts and crafts drawer," you tell her. She immediately starts bolting up the ladder - she's big enough now that you can't really stop her, and she hasn't fallen yet. Once the two of you get up to the kitchen, you root around in the drawer for some good things. Some fabric, some fluff, and some black beads end up being the foci.

The two of you sit down, along with your transmutation strain mitigation focus, and you start trying to show Selene how to do this.

Roll Alchemy to demonstrate for her. You get a +3 for temporary foci. I'll consider the first six linked 1d100 rolls.
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Rolled 11

>>24383377
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Rolled 98

>>24383377
rolling
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>>24383377
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Rolled 84

>>24383377
Time for a repeat of the meat candy incident?
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Rolled 21

>>24383377
ASS.
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Rolled 1

>>24383377
Roll
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Rolled 37

>>24383377
Let the failure begin!
>minusw daughter
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Rolled 28

>>24383377
Crafts!
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>>24383426
How did I fucking know it. I KNEW IT WAS COMING.
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Rolled 55

>>24383377
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Rolled 53

>>24383377
time to roll
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>>24383413
Game of Ones?
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>>24383420
>>24383424

Well, it looks like the Dice gods love Alison as much as --

>>24383426

Fuck.
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>>24383420
>>24383424
>>24383426
1/6
Eh, it's a success at least.
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http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Scholomance

The previous thread is now archived. Remember to vote it up.
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>>24383420
>>24383424
>>24383426
+2, -1, it works.
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>>24383426
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>>24383413
>throne of 1s
>rolls 11
Huh.
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>>24383426
Good, got my daily 1 out of the way when there were enough successes for it not to matter.
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>>24383513
you get a 1 every day
You might want to consider more sacrifices to the dice gods
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>>24383571
Thus far that has only made things worse...
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>>24383571
Or roll stop rolling a hundred times a day.
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>>24383420
>>24383424
>>24383426
With a slight rushing of air, out folds a seamless plushy. It's a long, serpentine dragon shape. It's covered in thick, soft, blue-green cloth. Its eyes are gleaming black beads of glass that blend seamlessly with the face. You even included a weak little magnet in the mouth and the tip of the tail so that she'll be able to make it into loop to wear around if she wants.

Selene ooohs and aaahs at the display.

"So, are we gonna put mommy's dragon in it now, or wait to ask her first?" Selene asks. You've been impressing on her the importance of asking people for permission for things lately after some behavioral issues involving other people's things.

What do you do?
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>>24383571
I exaggerated, it's usually two, sometimes three, a week.
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>>24383606

Clearly you're making the wrong sacrifices.
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>>24383631
We're going to wait till we ask her, of course.
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>>24383631
Ask first. We might want to just have Liz do it and we assist.
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>>24383631
"Well in this case I doubt she'd mind too much if we went ahead, but it's polite to ask, so we will."
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>>24383631

"Of course we ask permission, hon. If not, we can try a different spirit."
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>>24383631
Wait to ask.
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>>24383648
This.

>>24383644
Recommendations?
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>>24383631
ask liz, not only is the water dragon her's she's better at this then us
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>>24383631
"She probably doesn't mind, but we should ask first anyways. She might have decided to start a project with it and not told me yet."
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Eventually, we should make Alison a pendant that sucks the heat out of the air around her to power some weak mental wards.
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>>24383631
"We should probably ask Liz first. Me and your Mommy are good and very different things, your Mommy is great at Conjuration and is pretty good at Sorcery, but I'm good at Enchantment and Alchemy. So having Liz help with this would be very useful.

Besides, it is Liz's dragon, and it'd be rude to put it in things without permission."
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>>24383671

Como esto, para ejemplo.
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>>24383707
I'm not going to pretend to be great at Spanish, but wouldn't that be por, not para?
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>>24383687
Switch mental wards with normalcy field. If her sister decides to mess with her mental wards (kids like pranks, so are not all that thought out) I'd rather it not negate her environmental comfort.
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>>24383631
I second these>>>24383684 >>24383703
we can teach her how to make a drain focus for the binding now.
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>>24383644
That could be it
>>24383606
Have you tried virgins, I think it definitely has an effect
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>>24383731
But then she'll feel like a freak for needing a normalcy field when Selene and #3 don't.

May as well just have it power more sorcery that pumps hot air away if wards are bad.
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>>24383687
Sounds good. Fuck the second law of thermodynamics, we're a wizard.
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>>24383758
Oh, you think we aren't going to find a more elegant solution to keeping her comfortable at home. I assumed the pendant was for out of tower time (where all the dryads will need individual normalcy fields).
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>>24383721

Quite possibly, my Spanish is rusty as hell.
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>>24383758
seconding redundancy of vital systems.
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>>24383812
Thats not really redundant. It would power its cooling effect with another cooling effect. WIZARD LOGIC!
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>>24383792
By more elegant solution I mean something like a tower wide field that adjusts the immediate environment (couple millimeters around them) to any individual inside's personal comfort. So if, for example, we ever end up wing Hera inside the tower she could ditch the suit. Probably would still need the breathing apparatus though.
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>>24383862
>By more elegant solution
no a more elegant solution lets her go anywhere with little to no extra effort hence >>24383835. Yours may be more comfortable but >>24383835 is clearly more elegant.
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>>24383929
oh so you suggest binding a maxwell demon to some item she would carry. Sounds reasonable.
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Not sure if sarcasm..
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>>24384040
Max's demon.
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>>24384077
What, the post with the Maxwellian demon? Cause that's fucking brilliant if you ask me.
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>>24383929
Actually, I was mostly trying to come up something we can also apply to the study group Himalayan club house (we really ought to contribute something since we boycotted the planning phase and haven't been involved in the construction yet).
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>>24384077
Seriously, this must be a well-researched demoniac form.
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>>24384121
Well, at least someone thinks my ideas are brilliant
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>Maxwell's demon actually existing
We need to go troll CERN or something. Fuck thermodynamics.
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Sorcery: A vigorous buggering of the laws of physics
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What do y'all think of using this for the cooling pendant?
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>>24384252
Seems a bit large for a child.
Maybe something like that, but smaller.
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>>24384165
And someone thinks my posts are.
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>>24384252
I like it. Personally I'd rather go with a locket which when openned could spit out a one shot cone of sub-zero cold in an emergency (as defined by the wearer's mental state). But yeah, looks nice and not out of place on a young child, just make sure it isn't a choking/strangulation hazard and that it's safe for her to chew on.
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Something to put communal foci in.
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>>24384252
Nice design, the color fit her. If it's sutably sized, I say go for it.
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>>24384371
>>24384272
Remember that she's big now. And eventually something like 10-15ft tall iirc.

I don't think it would be too big.
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>>24383661
Say that.

Also, I just remembered something about a discussion from yesterday
>Fem says: Can't enchant self with anti poison
>Lin said in quest: Lin was taught by lotus a spell that purges body of poison, disease, parasites, foreign bodies (including tattoos)...
We discussed learning that spell and modifying it to exclude tattoos before. Even if we can't enchant it on body we could put it on a ring or some such perhaps. Maybe even enchant one of the letters in our tattoos with it.
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>>24384354
IC, they really don't have any reason to go for anything RPG. This would be hitting the fourth wall a bit too hard in my opinion.

But I find the idea of using (colored or textured) pendants for communal foci interesting. It's nicer than the sticks I think we are using.
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>>24384568
Liz is a bit nerdy, we could ask her and she /might/ say dice.

>>24384579
Backup. Making it would also be easy and give us some sorcery xp.
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>>24384412
book said like 8 feet IIRC

>>24384515
>Can't enchant self with anti poison
There is no specific anti poison aug because it is part of the general stamina aug.

making tattoos into magic items and not foci is a bad idea because they need a spirit to power them.

>>24384568
we only used 1 stick the others are hammers screwdrivers etc.
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>>24384579
What Snapple said, plus why won't we spoil our daughter with some nice jewelry.
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>>24384611
Huh, thought it was around 10ft. Shrug. Also, we could use sorcery to power a tattoo spell item instead of a spirit, it just isn't practical because our sorcery pool is terrible. Still not sure why we have the stick, just seems impractical and needlessly fragile to me.
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>Dat internet
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>>24384733
>Dat dinner or shower.
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>>24384691
>could use sorcery to power a tattoo spell item instead of a spirit,
that item would likely overtax a sorcery power supply we would need a sprite because they have more oomph
>Still not sure why we have the stick,
when we first made it we thought a wand would be good form factor. Petrove told us that was dumb and why. We aren't throwing it out because it is still good at its job just in an fragile form with no other uses a replacement would take at least an hour to craft so why waste it when we need more foci like it anyway.
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>So Allein

fem where are you ;_;
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>>24384770
>dat underdesk blowjob
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>>24384691
>tattoo
While I don't have much of a problem with tattooing a baby, do you think many others in the thread feel the same?

I'd still rather have the amulet, though. Less arguing and less soul rolls than trying to explain a tattoo to her later on.
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>>24384799
>implying FemCOCK wouldn't be posting as normal if her sub was distracting her with a little oral.
I'm not sure how closely you've followed the quest, but that usually leads to a 25-35 min lag between posts. This is more involved,
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>>24384791
i forgot what exactly it was, but we do have the ability to use light and heat from our surroundings as an energy source. the one we used for the collar only generates a small amount of energy (iirc) but if we spent some time working on it we could probably make it generate a lot more

>inb4 the spell actively cools its environment and eats all the visible light that touches it
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>>24384850
Snapple, you're a great addition to these threads. I don't understand people's problems.
You're original 'snap her neck' made me laugh so much.
I wonder what happened to the Dimitry/Petrov "yes boss, no boss" guy...them
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>>24384850
At least no one's suggested pyro graphs yet...
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>>24384850
>tattoo
he means for protecting us form poison as in >>24384515
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>>24384903
we can do that but sorcery only works as a power supply for low draw intermittent work because id dose do
>inb4 the spell actively cools its environment and eats all the visible light that touches

until the "battery" is charged. and most long lasting spells draw to fast like all wards and likely a permanent anti toxin spell.
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>>24384850
>sociopath.jpg
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>>24384791
A spirit, if overtaxed, is consumed by the spell. The more powerful the bound spirit the more dangerous it's escape or larger the potential explosion if the magic item is damaged. Sorcery might be limited in capacity, but then again you could always build a more robust spell.
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>>24384922
>whoops, meant pyrography, though I suppose pyrographs would still work in the sentence.
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>>24384922
Since her skin is wood, it seems more appropriate. But I don't feel really fine with either tatoo or this on an infant.
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Wonder what pyrographs will do to #3, what with fire healing her and all.
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"We're going to wait until she's home to ask her," you tell her. "After all, she might already have something she wants to use the dragon for. You wouldn't want someone to take some of your legos for a project without asking you first, right?" you ask with a straight face.

She looks aghast at the very notion of the idea. "Of course not, mama!" she says. You think that the concept of asking first might have really sunk in with that one.

You send Liz a text, telling her that Alison hatched safely and saying that you might have found a use for her water dragon. She responds back excitedly, and tells you she'll be happy to volunteer the dragon. She'll even help with whatever you're doing if you wait for her to get back.

What do you do now?

Also, it was a round of SS13 followed by dinner getting ready right as I was about to post. Whomever bet on that can collect your prize under my desk.
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>>24385099
Say we'll wait for her to help.

Now we're making a pendant. Like the one >>24384252
Use sorcery to suck heat out of the air that powers a cooling effect.
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>>24385071
You know, assuming you us a soldering iron to scorch the wood without actually setting it on fire it would probably work. Or you could just to it under an inert atmosphere. The magic healing only kicks in with combustion as far as I know.
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>>24385099
Magic maxwells demon amulet of fuck thermodynamics!
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>>24385099
>prize under my desk
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>>24385174
>... could you actually port back and catch the rest of the class?
Was already discussed earlier and we said no.
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Snap a quick picture of Alison, ask Breakfast to check on her then go to class.
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>>24385131
That's not something to try when she's growing though. Maybe once she's grown, but as it is the marks will just be stretched and ruined as she grows.

Plus, you know, that kind of think ought to be her choice anyway. Much as I like the thought of her winding up covered in celtic-style knotwork, I'm not about to go branding people without asking for the sake of my boner.
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>>24385191
NO. Professors HATE that.
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>>24385222
And Petrov will still pop a rageboner.
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>>24385099
well lets get temp foci for binding the dragon reddy for liz, along with the enchantment foci and temp foci for making it Alison's


binding, some paper chains, a lock, some brick/mortar, some super glue,

for its mind a calculator, ask Selene for a few legos, a sudoko puzzle, a cheep paper back book,

>>24385191
no
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>>24385099
We'll wait for her. Hmm, put some mineral water in the freezer then start enchanting the dragon to be loyal to Alison and protect her/keep her comfortably cool.
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>>24385099
Give Selene a hug. "You're such a good girl, Liz said that she'd be happy to let us use her dragon for this, but we're going to wait for her to get back because she's very good at this.

But remember Selene, it's always a good thing to have contingencies, what if the dragon doesn't cool Alison down enough? So we should think of another good way to keep her cool if she wants. Do you have any ideas sweetheart?"

If she doesn't suggest anything we can talk about an amulet thing that helps regulate temperature of absorbs heat around her with Sorcery to power something, or an idea along those lines.

>>24385191
>>24385174
It's exceptionally rude to pop back into class when it's most of the way through, Petrov would probably tear us a new asshole, we'll catch what we missed from Liz/Lin.
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>>24385222
Returning to class after leaving is never a good idea. Teachers see leaving early or coming in late as a disruption, and they hate disruptions. Doing both in the same lecture is a great way to get Petrov pissed as fuck.
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>>24384354
>Geek gamer
>Not even an actual d20
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>>24384791
>Overtax us
Which is why it wont be always on. It will be activated by triggers (we get poisoned) and by command word.
Also, it needs a capacitor. Rather then feeding off our own energy it should absorb heat/sound/etc energy and STORE it until it has enough to cast the spell. So it might only be able to cast it once every X hours but that would be more then enough.
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>>24385288
>Not even an actual d20
How so?
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>>24385211
Oh I don't support or endorse plan wood burning our daughter (if she decides it's something she wants when she's older then fine, but I'm not a fan tattooing someone without their consent), just thinking out loud. Might be coming down with a cold, I seem to be getting a bit loopy.
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>>24385306
The 1 and the 20 are adjacent. Normally they're opposite, aren't they? The 2 is next to the 20.
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>>24385256
>Start building its mind with enchantment
Great idea on what to do until liz gets back actually, we could show Selene what we are doing too.
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>>24385226
So that's the part I skipped in last thread... Do the pendant then.
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>>24385334
That's a 14. The 4 is covered partially by the chain string thing.
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>>24385358
You're right. In that case, I don't know why it wouldn't be an actual d20.
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>>24385375
we just got a text back saying we could use it....
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>>24385375
She explicitly gave us permission to use the water dragon here:
>>24385099
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>>24385375
keep with the program man...
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>>24385256
sounds good to me, let's do this
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>>24385406
>>24385400
>>24385394
Shame immeasurable upon my house.
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>>24385422
There, there Anon. Now try to relax while we let CatGIRL amuse herself with you. Or leave you locked in the punishment box, depends on her mood.
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>>24385422
I still can't believe the VN community as a general whole did not catch how much of a masochist and a sub Chris is, and subsequently flipped their shit about the "rape" scene. It bugs me to this day. You really, really think a girl that forgives the guy they have a crush on for walking in on them practically nude in the bathroom FOUR TIMES isn't at least a little submissive and perverted? Come on, man.
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>>24385394
>>24385400
still wait for her to get back and help with it
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>>24385422
I had a sub hand-write a sign like that once and sit around wearing it. They never made that particular mistake again.
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>>24385452
i know, therefore
>>24385256
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>>24385455
That sounds unsurprisingly effective.
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>>24385455
My parents did that once.
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>>24385538
kinky
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>>24385455
I did that to my little sister once.
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>>24385554
Double kinky.
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>>24385554
Double kinky!
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>>24385538
I've noticed that being a Dom is oddly close to be an authoritative parent. I've been thinking about a lot of the "Liz is giving us shit" situations in a line of thought of a parent and child. It made most of the problems disturbingly easy to make a solution for.
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>>24385567
>>24385572
>doublemind
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>>24385575

I noticed the same thing as well. Evenness of tone, clearly and explicitly spelling out what is not cool, and lovingly correcting bad behavior has applications in both realms.
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>>24385575
The principles of responsible exercise of authority are fairly universal. Similarly, parents and bosses have similar failure modes.
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>>24385649
All of my bosses have been awful parents then.
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>>24385451
Who? What?
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>>24385575
the solution is incest right?
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>>24385839
Speaking of, we know the dryads are likely going to want some when they get older...
Remember how it turned out with dad/max? Liz put her foot down and you said "it would hurt liz, it will hurt mom". Its going to be Apple's passive-aggressiveness x3
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>>24385872
Eh, sick Selene on Liz first and see what happens. That tongue should help matters.
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>>24385839
The solution is a simple three-step process:
1) If a child acted this way, what would a parent do?
2) How can I make this kinky if it's for fun, or humiliating if it's for serious issues?
3) If it's for fun, how can I change my speech to demean them playfully? If serious, what can I say to humiliate and devalue them?

If you can answer those three questions competently, you probably have some form of functioning punishment. In the case of those bondage twins, incest may also be involved.
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>>24385872
From what we know, Apple's that way because Domino's actually a guy. There's no way to be sure that they'll daddy-issue on an incubus-blooded female.
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>>24385897
That tongue immediately reminds me of Alice's blowjob scene from the second MGQ. God damn, that tongue...
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>>24385911
>Blatant Fetish Quest
>a quest for Fem's fetishes
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>>24385911
Ahahahahahaha. Good one.
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>>24385911
Yes but so far when it came up in discussion people just said "if it does happen we will just have sex with them". IIRC max even considered it in character when apple was being mentioned to her.

I am just pointing out that never have I seen this specific aspect of it come up. That even if we were ok with it (and I am not sure I am actually), there is the whole issue with liz and mom... I mean, can you imagine mom's response?
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>>24385911
>From what we know, Apple's that way because Domino's actually a guy.
it has to do with the fact that Domino is boning a female and Apple is female
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>>24385911
IIRC it was stated that if they see their Parent figure as a sexual figure as well they will want to fuck them, so yeah, she'll want it.
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Just wondering something.

There are vampire lords that are bear-sized bat monsters.

Are there any just straight up vampires here? Would they just be monsters or would there be a possibility of a vampire student or teacher in Scholomance?

Too cliche?
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soooo next post when?
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>>24385911
Actually they get daddy issues for any grovemother who is actively having sex with females when they are growing up but not them.
Note the dryad book said they grow up fine but a little clingy and affectionate if there grovemother has sex with other females and them. So no females is best. then other females and them is a close second. then other females and not them (like Apple) is a bad scene. It says noting about them and not other females but that is irrelevant.
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>>24386005
Whenever the hell QM gets arround to it
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>>24386005
>>24386017
You must be new here.
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>>24385911
We already know femcock has a fetish for incest for how often she tries to force it on us, so I highly doubt that.
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>>24385946
when we told Liz about this and showed her the book she said that we could fuck Selene if we try to talk her out of it first. As for Mom... well that is a Dryad/Incubus thing and she may not be proud of it but she will love us and her granddaughters. Especially if the grandchildren explain that they were the ones pushing it.

TL:DR We plan to not start it and try to stop it but we will let it happen.
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>>24386060
We could just not tell mom.
We haven't told mom how murderous scholomance is.
We haven't told mom we have a couple of mind controlled slaves we feed on via sex.
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Is the guy that statted snapple and fem here?

Will you stat MrTT?
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>>24386098
Good god, what is it with you people sucking up to the namefags recently?
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>>24386132
Natural progression of all quest threads that refuse to nip that shit in the bud. Just look at the massive circlejerk the Rowena Ravenclaw threads became.
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>>24386173
Seriously. I'm having trouble even getting into BFQ recently, it's become less about Femcock's quest and more about Snapple & MrTT slapping the back of their hands together like retards while people applaud.
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>>24386198
Ive mostly stopped participating and usually just read the archives these days. Its less annoying that way.
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>>24386060
Well, we could always get them interested in the Meals instead, especially in Selene's case for draining.
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>>24386299
I'd still rather Max just fuck 'em when they're all grown up.

No reason to get cold feet about it now.
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>>24386299
No reason we can't share the meals with them in addition to Max fucking them.
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"Come on," you tell Selene. "Let's go collect things to help me and mommy put the water dragon in the stuffed dragon later."

She nods and the two of you begin your search. About a half hour later, you have a bottle of water, a paper chain, some pins, and more of the same material used to make the plushy.

It's still easily an hour before you can expect Liz and Lin back.

What do you do now?
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>>24386337
Make another strain foci for mundane transmutation. We use them all the time.
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>>24386337
we should try and catch up on our studies, seeing as we've fallen behind a bit.
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>>24386337
Do some studying. Gotta raise dat class ranking.
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>>24386337
>>24386357
I'll take a quick read-over of whatever material we probably missed for the day. We should have a good idea of what we were going to miss in the first place, seeing as we were half-way through class.
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>>24386337
Help dad warding.
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>>24386098
insufficient data for a meaningful response at this time.
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>>24386337
Check up on the baby dryad.
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>>24386337
Do some studying.
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>>24386458
We just got her to sleep a bit ago.
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>>24386337
Study sorcery. Possibly go over basics with Selene her naive questions may help show where we need to look to learn more.
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>>24386337
lets work on the mind drill hell take Selene over it see is she can grasp any concepts from it
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>>24386537
I think the mind drill is far too advanced for her at present. She's still learning the basics.

>captcha: mealtime selection
Maybe later, Captcha, I don't think we have enough strain to justify it right now.
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>>24386337
only an hour lets show Selene some high end mind magic go over the mind drill with her get her interested in what she is good at.
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>>24386337
Do some studying while we wait for Liz and Lin.
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>>24386563
We could study sorcery with her, since we are about on the same level as her in the subject.
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If we're studying, I'd like to do sorcery
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>>24386606
>>24386621
yes
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>>24386606
>>24386621
>>24386482
ok snapple lets do it your way
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>>24386660
Must be hard to post with a throat full of Snapplecock.
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>>24386677
TGdice recently determined that snapple is actually a pretty female
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>>24386677
I am very flexible so sucking my dick is simple
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>>24386704
You aren't me!
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>>24386711
Neither am I!
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>>24386711
It's pretty obvious that you post anonymously to back up your own posts.
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>>24386693
A pretty, psychotic, borderline schizophenic female that I never want anything to do with. See picture related.

If we piss of Liz enough to make her betray, I fully expect her to turn into this.
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>>24386731
I wanted to do a mundane transmutation foci this action, but more people wanted to study so I said that if we're studying I want sorcery.

Seems odd I wouldn't just samefag the initial choice if I was going to do it.
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We can study Sorcery with Selene.
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>>24386750
The alternative is that there's people in these threads who actually buy in to your bullshit, and that's even worse.
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>>24386660
>two people suggest the same thing
>LOL WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEA YOU AND YOU ALONE CAME UP WITH SNAPPLE
Fucking hell.
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Sounds like the consensus is studying. Do you want to study Sorcery or what you missed today in class?
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>>24386779
Except that 'his bullshit' is only when he gets an idea for a dumb magical item into his head, and the rest of the time he acts competent.
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>>24386814
Sorcery


>>24386779
Sorry to disappoint, but sometimes people agree with me.

It's not a perfect world. Red pill blah blah blah the soylent green is people. omg they're eating her and now they're going to eat me omg
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>>24386814
What we missed in class.
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>>24386731
He openly admitted it before and he will use up multiple rolls on his own because he is an ass like that.
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>>24386816
You know who else acts competent?

A whole load of people who don't feel the need to shit up the threads by namefagging.

Although I suppose I'm talking to the wrong person about that.
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>>24386826
he multi rolls with his trip on
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>>24386814
Class stuff. We can get someone to tutor us for Sorcery, it'll be more effective that way.
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>>24386836
Thats what I was saying.
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>>24386833
You know who else acts retarded?

A whole load of people who don't bother namefagging.

And you are totally talking to the wrong person about that.
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>>24386814
>Sorcery
we can study what we missed with L&L
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>>24386814
What we missed today in class seems more important.
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>>24386814
>missed today in class
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>>24386848
Terrible comeback.

I guess if there's one thing worse than Snapple, it's a guy who spends the threads leeching off of Snapple's internet-fame.
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Goddamn, what a shitty thread. This is why Ive stopped upvoting these things in the archives.
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>>24386814
Classwork.
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You guys are being boring again.

Who else likes "Summer" as a possible name for the 3rd dryad?
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>>24386875
I thought you wanted Sizi as the flame-dryad?
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>>24386861
>>24386859
>>24386823
we can do that better with L&L's help we can study sorcery with out Daughter now at little to no loss.
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>>24386875
Is that a reference to the character from Psion Quest?

If yes, then no, let's not rip off another quest's character names.

If no, then it's a pretty bad name anyway.
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>>24386875
>Summer jokes
Wow, you reached a new low today.
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>>24386891
I do, but Summer is more likely to get picked and I like it too. Not as much as Sizi, but it's still nice.
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>>24386899
I've never read Psion Quest.
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>>24386875
>Summer
is a dumb name for a kid just like any season name.
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>>24386898
I'd say it's the other way around.

With Liz, we can get tuition from someone who's better than us at Sorcery.

Going over class notes we can do alone.
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>>24386814
Seconding going over class notes.
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>Not calling our half-dragon daughter Smaugette.
Shame on you /tg/.
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>>24386891
have a page of fire names
http://hasani.net.phtemp.com/fire.html
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>>24386916
And if it is a character in Psion Quest then nvm. I don't want it anymore.
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>>24386947
Ewwwww
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>>24386918
we don't have notes from the second half of class yet.
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>>24386947
She will likely get some shitty name anyways. Like Alison.
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>>24386980
and yet Femcock seems to think we can do it, otherwise she wouldn't have made it an option.

I would assume that Petrov gave out handouts at the beginning.
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>>24386814
What we missed in class. In the same room where dad is working on the wards so we could ask him questions and selene could talk to him too.

>>24386947
Haven't had the dragonborn girl yet, this one is the jutuun + dwarf + incubus.
Next one is dragon + phoenix + incubus.
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>>24387003
>Petrov
>give handouts

laughingwizards.spellbook
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my research on phoenix and dragon names.
Female
ADALINDA: Old High German name composed of the elements adal "noble" and lind "serpent, snake," hence "noble serpent."
ADELIND: Abbreviated form of Old High German Adelinda, meaning "noble serpent."
ADELINDA: Variant spelling of Old High German Adalinda, meaning "noble serpent."
ADELINDE: Variant spelling of Old High German Adelinda, meaning "noble serpent."
ADELONDA: Variant spelling of Old High German Adelinda, meaning "noble serpent."
ÆTHELINDA: Anglo-Saxon name composed of the Old English elements æðel "noble" and lind "serpent, dragon," hence "noble serpent."
BELINDA: Possibly a contracted form of Old High German Betlinde, meaning "bright serpent" or "bright linden tree."
BELLINDA: English variant spelling of German Belinda, meaning "bright serpent" or "bright linden tree."
BELYNDA: English variant spelling of German Belinda, meaning "bright serpent" or "bright linden tree."
BINDY: English pet form of German Belinda, possibly meaning "bright serpent" or "bright linden tree."
CHUSI: Native American Hopi name meaning "snake flower."
COAXOCH: Nahuatl name meaning "serpent flower."
DALINDA: Variant spelling of English Delinda, meaning "noble serpent."
DELINDA: English name derived from German Adelinda, meaning "noble serpent."
ETHELINDA: Middle English form of Anglo-Saxon Æthelinda, meaning "noble serpent."
TANIS (Τάνις): Greek form of Phoenician Tanith, possibly meaning "serpent lady. In Egyptian her name means "land of Neith."
TANIT: Phoenician myth name of a goddess of love, the moon and the stars, possibly meaning "serpent lady. In Egyptian her name means "land of Neith."
TANITH: Variant spelling of Phoenician Tanit, possibly meaning "serpent lady. In Egyptian her name means "land of Neith."
Sirrush: The Babylonian dragon of chaos

Continued...
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>>24386916
>>24386953
At least you aren't complete shit.
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>>24387034
No, he still is.
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>>24387027
Let's make sure to ask Liz to do some research on names for us beforehand this time, so we aren't stuck with Femcock reminding us that Max is a dumbass.
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>>24387027
...continuing
Neuter
Simurgh (pronounced /ˌsJˈməːrg/) (Persian: سیمرغ), also spelled simorgh, simurg, simoorg or simourv,
Fenghuang (Chinese: 鳳凰; pinyin: fènghuáng) are mythological birds of East Asia that reign over all other birds. The males are called Feng and the females Huang
Male
ASTAROT: In demonology, this is the name of a Prince of Hell, meaning "leading one" or "the chief." He is depicted in the Dictionnaire Infernal as a nude man with dragon-like wings, hands and feet, a second pair of feathered wings, and a crown. He is holding a serpent in one hand while riding a wolf-like beast. Compare with feminine Astaroth.
SAMAEL (סמאל): In Jewish mythology, this is the name of an archangel, a fallen angel, the Angel of Death or Poison, the accuser, seducer, and destroyer famously known as The Grim Reaper. He is said to be both good and evil, having been one of the heavenly host. He rules over seven habitations called Sheba Ha-yechaloth, infernal realms of the Earth. The Talmud states: "the evil Spirit, Satan, and Sama'el the Angel of Death, are the same"; and Samael is also therein equated with the biblical serpent who tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden. He is called the Prince of Darkness and chief of the Dragons of Evil and is held responsible for the scorching wind of the desert called the simoom. It is probably the Hebrew form of Syrian Shemal ("left"), but composed of 'el "god" and suwm "to create" or "to place, to set," hence "whom God makes." It is also sometimes rendered "venom of God." Also spelled Samil and Sammael.
SHESHA (शेष): Hindi myth name of a naga king of serpents, one of the primal beings of creation. The name was derived from the Sanskrit root shiş, meaning "that which remains."
The four Dragon Kings:
· Ao Shun (North)
· Ao Ch'in (South)
· Ao Kuang (East)
· Ao Jun (West)
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>>24387034
He still is.
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>>24387050
hell yes
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>>24387034
Yes he is.
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>>24387003
>>24387003
even my good university teachers only gave out handouts like once a month.
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>>24387027
>>24387052
>CHUSI: Native American Hopi name meaning "snake flower."
Seems somewhat appropriate.
>SHESHA (शेष): Hindi myth name of a naga king of serpents, one of the primal beings of creation. The name was derived from the Sanskrit root shiş, meaning "that which remains."
Like the way Shesha sounds
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>>24387112
One sounds like an adjective and the other like a slang for weed.
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Why the Psion Quest hate?
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>>24387124
I don't hate Psion Quest, it's just >>24387034
that does.
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>>24387124
Shitty waifu quest with noplot.
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>>24387138
Presumably he's asking >>24387034 then.
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>>24387144
...So clearly you don't actually follow it then. Good to know.
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>>24387119
Are you the ass ho hated all the Norse names?
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We gave the first two normal names, do we really want an "exotic" name for the third?
Why not a third normal name?
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>>24387185
Skathi was a shitty name and you know it.
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>>24387188
Sizi is a nice name.
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>>24387144
>shitty waifu quest
>with no plot
>BFQ
...where do you think you are?
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>>24387188
ADELIND is normalish.
I know 1 girl named it.
Samael
could be feminized to Samantha and reference her angelic/demonic linage and her fire and her dragon aspect
>>24387211
and this is my fall back.

but Samantha is my favorite
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>>24387211
Sizi is fucking awful.
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>tg is all nerds (and proud of it)
>Liz is a sexy nerd girl, the wet dream of every nerd (like us players)
>We are playing a Jock (Max).
:D

>>24387211
I do like it, but its still rather exotic.
Could we not go with the more normal Susie? pronounced Sue-Zee (Sue pronounced like the legal action of suing someone, Zee pronounced like the german Sie) I don't remember if Susie is the "normal" way of spelling that or not.
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>>24387260
But we already have a Sam in the quest. And he's a cuntboy. It would get confusing with people calling our daughter Sam for short.
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>>24387260
sorry i just re read it the girl i know doesn't spell it that way it is something like Adelaide
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Still too exotic... but we could normalize such a name and tell her it was the inspiration (later on).
Like Adelaide can be normalized as "Addey" (although personally I don't like this one so lets normalized another name)
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>>24387288
we can shorten her name to
Same and make the distinction stick.
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>>24387317
>make the distinction stick.

People are still mixing up Liz and Lin now.
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>>24387317
Same pronounced
Sam E
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>>24387317
People would still get mixed up.
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>>24387332
>>24387352
How about Sammy?
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>>24387331
that is the 3 letter first 2 the same one the other smoothed and rotated for me adding another character to the spelling is much more dramatic.

But I am dyslexic so that may be due to that. So I could be non representative.
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>>24387364
even better
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Just got back. The game plan is study sorcery and expect Fem to call the game for the night when Liz gets back right?
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>>24387522
Sounds about right.
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>>24387522
No, it's to study what we missed in class.
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>>24387522
Nope, studying class notes.
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personally I like Adara or Nuria
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>>24387522
Going over class notes was the plan, I believe.
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>>24387566
I'd second Adara in a heart beat
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>>24387613
Not to nit pick, but are you suggesting we study our class notes from the portion of the lecture that we missed and thus didn't take notes on? Sure we can go over the material, but it'd take less time to look over Liz's notes and see what Petrov focused on during the lecture.
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>>24387566
>>24387678
Adara's pretty good.

Of course discussing it now, when we're probably 20+ threads away is completely pointless, as this whole argument will happen again.
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You let Selene head off; she bolts down the ladder to go tuck the new toy in with her little sister. You sit down and start studying the chapters that Petrov was working off of in class, trying to cover the material that you think you missed. You only have an hour or two before Liz and Lin get back, but if you play your cards right, you might be able to be caught up by the time they're back.

Roll Mind to study. You get a +2 for Focus, a +2 for Calm, and a +1 for Memory. I'll consider the first eight linked 1d100 rolls.
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>>24387691
Well, we didn't study much during the past timeskip anyway. So we have two weeks worth of notes we've neglected to pick something from.
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Rolled 50

>>24387716
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>>24387678
>Adara
>Dara
>Daria
Ah, figured out why that bugged me. Anyway, continue.
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Rolled 74

>>24387716
>Ones for the one throne!
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Rolled 34

>>24387716
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Rolled 89

>>24387716
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Rolled 7

>>24387716
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Rolled 15

>>24387716
Another 1?
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>>24387740
>Diarrhea
The perfect name!
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Rolled 95

>>24387716

ONES FOR THE ONE GOD

FAIL FOR THE FAIL THRONE
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>>24387716

Max no brains
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Rolled 97

>>24387716
Rollan.
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Rolled 75

>>24387782

Me no brains either
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>>24387782
Bravo.
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>>24387744
>>24387748
>>24387769
>>24387785
4/8
We master of studying now.

It just occurred to me, despite comments about Max being a dumbass, 8 dice means she is literally better at studying than the smartest non-augmented person in the world.
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>>24387785
>>24387769
>>24387748
>>24387744
Not bad.
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>>24387566
>Adara
is ok to pretty good
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>>24387795
Close but no cigar
It has to be linked to this
>>24387716
>I'll consider the first eight linked 1d100 rolls.
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>>24386738
Maybe if Liz goes full yandere mode, she'll become an interesting character for once
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Rolled 38

>>24387716
Rolling in case we need an extra roll
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>>24386738

Missed your post while catching up, thanks >>24387842 for pointing it out. That picture is now Snapple to me. Thank you I guess.
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>>24387815
Yea, magic is awesome like that.
Also max is no longer a dumbass. She started the quest as someone who neglected her studying and thus has 2/5 mind (3 is average). But is now at 3 and quite nearly at 4. So slightly above average.
Thanks to her magic boosts she is is indeed far better student then any non augmented person. In fact, she is better at studying the liz is right now thanks to the lotus enchantments.
This is actually a pretty big issue. How do lotuses not dominate the field? Yea I get that at 5+ circle conjuration rules but the lotuses should be masters of conjuration at that point thanks to their mental augments.
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>>24387912
The do dominate.

Until circle three.

And then shit hits the fan.
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>>24387912
We can only speculate what kind of bullshit secret techniques other societies have access to.
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>>24387912
I think the other societies have there own secret ways of evening the field
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>>24387912
I would assume that other societies have their own methods of cheating the limits of human potential.
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>>24387566
>Hebrew meaning Fire, virgin
>fire
>virgin
Indorsed for relevant ironic name
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>>24387912
remember the training from hell Petrove put Liz through? SOTAM and Nemesis and maybe even DD probably all do that shit. If the echos of creation that one anon made up are canon then they probably add there full ranks to group casting or at least round up.
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>>24387744
>>24387748
>>24387769
>>24387785
You've chewed through all the material that you think you missed today by the time that Liz comes bounding down the ladder. She rushes right up to you. "Where is she?" she asks excitedly. "Introduce me to her."

She should still be sleeping down her her crib.

What do you do?
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>>24387938
There's probably at least one society that uses sorcery to become beings of pure energy.
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>>24387912
Neutrality and the jack-of-all-trades principle. Lotus can get pretty good at everything, but specialize in nothing, save their methods. Other societies devote all their effort into one or two fields, and thus completely dominate them.
Lotus is powerful in the lower circles because being weak but well rounded beats being weak but with the foundation of something major. Conversely, being decent at everything loses out to being really goddamn good at one thing, especially when that one thing is teleporting.
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>>24387985
Take Liz to Alison.

Tell her about the need for a cooling thing. Say the dragon plan, but also mention the amulet of double cooling.
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>>24387985
Tell Liz to be careful not to wake her, then take her down to see Alison.
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>>24387985
How many responses will be anything other than "take Liz down to see the baby"?
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>>24387985
show her her daughter.
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>>24387894
Snapple is surprisingly cute.
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>>24388014
On the other hand, we do have Living Alchemy to wreck people's shit with in higher circles.
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>>24387985
Pick Liz up, spin her around a few times, give her some smooches.

"Be patient.

She was a bit sleepy so I put her to bed. Also, she seemed to be a bit too hot so I was thinking of putting your Dragon Water Spirit into a companion thing for her and have it keep her nice and cool."

After a bit more smooching carry Liz down to see her daughter.
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>>24388050
Living things have a natural resistance to alchemy that can be magically buffed.

People tend to not have a magical resistance to hunks of the sun suddenly appearing infront of them
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>>24387985
get a bottle reddy and head down
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>>24388050
yes but that seems to be harder than similarly powerful conjurations and sorceresses.
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>>24388048
Especially for a grognardian, autistic, neckbearded neet.
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>>24388048
Well fuck. Sorry Snapple, looks like I've jerked it to you repeatedly.
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>>24388075
actually, anti-alchemy wards don't seem to be a very widespread thing.

Sun appearing in front of one is dealt with by wards, and by not letting people know where your base is.
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>>24388099
Of course they aren't widespread in the first circle, no-one knows how to do it yet and those who do are busy with their own problems in other grades.
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>>24388099
Derp. Meant to say a natural resistance to the sun.

Yeah, you can do wards.
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>>24388091
Out of all the fetishes I figured I'd get from this thread, guro was one of the last I expected.
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>dragongirl incoming
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>>24388118
They're less widespread than anti-socery, anti-enchantment and anti-conjuration wards at least.

Besides, although it may be many times more dramatic, dropping a chunk of the sun on someone is no more lethal than giving them a brain aneurysm.
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>>24388157
But we already have a dragon girl
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>>24388075
>People tend to not have a magical resistance to hunks of the sun suddenly appearing infront of them
When a spoonful of the sun is teleported somewhere you get a massive explosion. The heat, the pressure...
So we basically need to increase our durability AND heat resistance enough and we will survive such a thing... Of course, we still wont survive having our heart teleported out of our body, a vial of poison teleported into our heart, etc... And while our body might survive it a sun-nuke going off right at the tower and leveling it destroying all our property and our family would be BAD.

Also, I have been thinking about it and honestly I think we should refocus on mental combat... why even bother killing someone when we can mindrape? We should get dozens of strain mitigation charms for that and do combat exclusively in the mental realm.
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Rolled 16

>>24388171
No we don't nevermind
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>>24388171
not yet, we've got a vamp, and frost giant but not yet dragon
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>>24388157
Why shotgun when you can reduce the area around you to ash?

>>24388165
I think there's a lethality bonus for vaporizing the entire body.

>>24388179
See >>24388126
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>>24388171
>>24388189
FFS STOP ROLLING, YOU'RE TEMPING THE DICE GODS
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>>24388151
Ehh. It's less about the gore and more about a hot chick being covered in bodily fluids. I just don't limit said fluids to cum. Bones just look cool.
Chunks and organs are too much, though.
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>>24388205
Either way they're dead.
>>
Oh, since I'm going to miss most of tomorrow just wanted to say we should start prepping for winter break. Anti scrying wards for everyone leaving the tower. Alison proofing mom's apartment. Making some teleportation foci so we can visit Liz and the study sanctum. That kind of stuff. Oh, and have max get a quick rundown on the various theologies from dad, Lin and Liz. Since some of the old players are still around and kicking knowing that stuff could be important for self defense.
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>>24388205
>Why shotgun when you can reduce the area around you to ash?
so you can use dragons breath rounds without being a raging faggot if you're not removing vietcong in 1968
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>>24388240
>not going for the high score
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>>24388171
not yet, dad has been unable to acquire dragonblood for third dryad YET.

We have:
Dryad 1 (Selene): Incubus sperm + Half incubus sperm + Vampire Lord blood
Dryad 2 (Alison): Half incubus sperm + Jutuun Bone + Duergar Bone (dwarf)

I don't know why we didn't have dad fertilize her soil too actually...

We plan on getting:
Dryad 3 (name pending): Phoenix ash + Dragon blood + Incubus/half-incubus semen
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>>24388208
I'M GETTING THE SHITTY ROLLS OUT OF THE WAY I AM A SHITTY ROLLER. WHY ARE WE TYPING IN BIG LETTERS
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>>24388366
SO WE CAN HEAR OURSELVES OVER THE TRIPFAGS
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>>24388179
>heat resistance
part of stamina and durability.
>>24388246
>nti scrying wards for everyone leaving the tower. Alison proofing mom's apartment. Making some teleportation foci so we can visit Liz and the study sanctum. That kind of stuff. Oh, and have max get a quick rundown on the various theologies from dad,
second


we felt it would be weird given we were doing it to be more her mom.
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>>24388151
You realize we're talking about "let's turn our circle into a wendigo farm" Snapple, right?
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>>24388405
>we felt it would be weird given we were doing it to be more her mom.
I think I missed something here?
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>>24388512
A lot of people missed that thread.
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>Anti scrying wards for everyone leaving the tower. Alison proofing mom's apartment. Making some teleportation foci so we can visit Liz and the study sanctum. That kind of stuff. Oh, and have max get a quick rundown on the various theologies from dad,

I have pointed it out before, but spending a lot of time in mom's apartment without warding is a huge security risk for us and her.
1. Discuss this with mom over the phone and decide on a new house location for her. DO NOT MOVE YET
2. Acquire that house and turn it into a secondary sanctum, complete with a full set of wards.
3. Give mom a key to that second sanctum and teleport her and all her stuff from her current home into it when it is finished.
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>>24388538
Make it a nice apartment too. A nice, classy, studio sort of place.
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>>24387985
take liz to see the babby, but be quiet about it
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>>24388538
an option that is almost as secure and a lot less work is to just make basic 4 school anti tracking ward & mind shield jewelry for her and tell her why she needs to wear it at all times.
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>>24388554
Good idea... or whatever mom's "dream house" is. Get her input first :).

>>24388538
oh and of course give her a set of wards too so she could continue on her normal life, living and working in the mundane world. Ideally via a tattoo but it can also be something she wars like a ring or earrings (if so, then also an enchantment that makes muggles not want to steal them).

Until we have the new place set up never spend the night over at mom's and keep your visits to a minimum. Yes this does mean you wont be able to spend THIS winter break with her. But hopefully we would be able to spend next one.
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>>24388538
One minor criticism. If mom is still working the same job and commuting through mundane means then she is still easily trackable, so there's no point in teleporting everything over the course of a month instead of hiring a set of professional movers. Assuming she wants to move away from her friends and neighbors.
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>>24388591
We are going to do that regardless. But her having such items would not protect max, selene, alison, etc when they are visiting her.
Remember that at the moment nobody in the family has such wards, instead we are relying on the sanctum wards, the presence of petrov in class, lotus sanctum, and teleporting between those 3 locations.
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>>24388651
Yeah, personally I think the teleporting between locations is overkill at this point. Most of the monsters our sun strike kicked up ought to have settled down by now and most first years survive without the 5th circle level protections we have access to.
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>>24388179
>Why bother killing when we can mindrape

Why limit ourselves to only one form of attack? Isn't it best to diversify?
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>>24388635
Being mundanely traceable requires people to know who she is first. The idea of the wards is to prevent people from finding out who she is. As well as to protect us, Alison, Selene, and Liz while we visit.

We could visit via teleporting from our sanctum's outbound portal to her apartment's inbound portal. And stay the night safely.
Remember how we got lunch? We used a long range mind assault spell on her when she was outsider of her wards.
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>>24388712
I'm sorry because I don't think I was sufficiently clear. I'm in favor of thoroughly warding her place or, if we need more room for the dryads, getting her a new place and warding that. I just think teleporting the furniture if we move is a massive waste of time and magic. We should definitely have this conversation with mom before doing anything though.
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"Be quiet," you tell Liz. "She's sleeping."

Liz nods and you lead her on down to the room. Selene is playing with lego bricks in the corner and waves as you come in. You lead Liz over to Alison, and she takes a long look at her.

"She's beautiful," Liz finally whispers, running her finger tips along her back. "She's so cold, though. Is that why...?"

"Yeah," you say, "It is. I want to bind it into some kind of plushy for her - something she can easily pick up or let go of to self-regulate her temperature. Once we know what she's actually comfortable at, we could work on a more permanent worn solution."

"That makes sense," Liz says, nodding. "How are you going to figure out the temperature, though? Short of putting her in a climate-controlled room and raising and lowering it until she gets uncomfortable, that is."

"I don't know," you say. "I'll figure something out."

"Okay, then," Liz says. "Do you want to get started on the dragon toy now, or do you have anything you want to finish up with first?"

"Let's do it now," you say, then lead her up to where you've laid out the toy and the foci. Liz looks pleasantly surprised that you already have everything laid out and ready to go, and heads off to get the water dragon. Once you're all collected, you sit down and help her get to work.

Roll Liz's Conjuration. She gets a +1 from Max helping her and a +4 from temporary foci. I'll consider the first nine linked 1d100 rolls.
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Rolled 52

>>24388880
Ok, probably shouldn't be rolling...
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>>24388651
>such items would not protect max, selene, alison, etc when they are visiting her.

that is why everyone including the meals (in case the tower wards fall or we need to move them) needs a set of those 5 protections on at all times even when at home. The portable ones don't need to be super strong they are just a stopgap.
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Rolled 60

>>24388880
Dice gods forgive me my past transgressions.
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Rolled 11

>>24388880
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Rolled 82

>>24388880
Just use enchantment to have the necklace turn on when it detects her getting too warm and turn off when it detects too cold, just like Liz's collar can detect emotion.
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Rolled 9

>>24388880
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Rolled 72

>>24388880
rolling
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Rolled 29

>>24388880
Rollin.
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Rolled 52

>>24388880

didn't Selene want to see this?
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>>24388880
we're going to fail just like the meat
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Rolled 31

>>24388880
Ehhhh.
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Rolled 17

>>24388880
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Rolled 31

>>24388936
look at me be wrong and forget my dice
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>>24388932
>>24388930
2/9
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>>24388930
yep she controls it mentally when she is old enough to understand it then she can use it at more than one temperature flexibility is a good thing.
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>>24388817
Oh, yea you are right about that. And actually once we give her some personal wards she could just drive to the new place once its ready.
Although, someone might have already found her, so by having her suddenly teleport to a new place and then get wards it could throw off the trail. And actually, aside from sentimental stuff she could select new furniture purchased online and delivered to the new place. We just need some more mundane money.
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>>24388930
Seems like this would be obvious to Max after making the collar
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>>24388920
UNFORGIVEN.
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>>24388880
Wouldn't the solution be an enchantment control matrix that would regulate the temperature output of the environmental control device on basis of her comfort/discomfort? Seems like the easiest solution at least, if admittedly imperfect.
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>>24388880
>putting her in a climate-controlled room and raising and lowering it until she gets uncomfortable, that is.
Why would we NOT do this?
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>>24388968
I think with Sam's cash flow we are ok for that level of spending. I don't think Lunches family can track us, as long as she stays warded. given dads success with the tengu. Assuming it wasn't an elaborate trap.
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>>24388968
Two points: one, she's easy to track through work and (if we have to worry about the tech savvy) her cell phone's gps. Two, didn't we announce our full name on the first day of class? Might not have been the best idea...
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>>24388932
Liz ends up plunging the spirit into the plushy with your help. The stuffed toy seizes and twitches as the foci turn to ash. You think it might have gone wrong for a moment before you see the toy burst from the table, flowing through the air in a fluid motion as cold fog pours off of it. It still smells like a cold, fresh ocean morning.

You and Liz take it and bring it down to Alison. Liz whispers that it's to consider Alison its new master, then tucks it in with her. She snuggles up to it almost immediately, clearly enjoying its softness and temperature.

What do you do now?
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>>24389019
>We don't have a climate controlled room
>Enchantment can see what her brain's thermostat is naturally set to
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Rolled 39

>>24387566
Ardere is also good
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>>24389039
Ask Liz what Petrov discussed with the class before you left.
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>>24389039
"So Liz, I was thinking about making a necklace that sucks heat out of the air to power an effect that pumps heat away. I'm not that good at sorcery, but it should be similar to your collar's mechanism"
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>>24389044
Your brain is usually at a different temperature than most would consider comfortable.
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>>24389039
Study sorcery.
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>>24389019
a lot of work and >>24388967
is a much better plan as it gives her a tool to use for other tings and sometimes people like more than one temperature flexibility is good.

>>24388987
if you mean like this >>24388967 how is that imperfect in a necklace?

>>24389036
>didn't we announce our full name on the first day of class
I don't think so we said I AM MAX POWER
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>>24389029
I'm pretty sure you don't mean to imply we should let Lunch (or Breakfast) out of the tower without giving them anti scrying tattoos, but just in case I want to say that's a bad idea.
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>>24389077
do this by making >>24389065
with Liz
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>>24389044
Human body temp is 36.8 C (98.24 F)
Also known as blisteringly hot. This is so hot that a prolonged exposure to such a temperature is fatal.
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>>24389080
Do we have a middle name?
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>>24389109
I wouldn't say blisteringly. It's uncomfortable, but not blistering at all.
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>>24389097
oh hell no i was just saying we don't need to worry about her family given the successes dad had on Halloween. We need to ward Brecfast just as much as Lunch.
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>>24389134
Bigger question, do we know our true name? Do we even have one?
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>>24389109
>This is so hot that a prolonged exposure to such a temperature is fatal.
As a person who has lived in a part of the world where those kinds of temperatures are not unusual, I have to say that you're full of shit.
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>>24389147
Ok, that's a relief. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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>>24389134
I don't think mom took dad's last name. I'm not even sure if dad HAS a last name or if he just goes by Dmitri.
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>>24389134
>>24389152
our full first name is Maximilien IDK about a middle name or how true names work.
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>>24389039
lets plant a calm seed in the dragon just to be safe put one in fap to
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>>24389109
Pretty sure that as long as you have enough water you're fine.
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>>24389147
Lunch's family is unlikely to track us. But there is still every other student in our class, as well as the older hands...
Heck, even Petrovs peers might be involved since he has made us part of his plans by guiding us to dad, giving us the extra key, and so on.

>Meals visiting mom's house
No, never ever. They are not leaving the tower and they are not meeting mom.
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>>24389170
better safe than sorry
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>>24389109
>fatally hot at ~98F
Uh, no, you're full of shit. I've lived in an area of the USA where the entirety of the summer is constituted of 102F+ days with 70-100% humidity, and I heard of maybe one or two local cases of heat exhaustion.
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>>24389152
Let's hope we have one and that we don't know it. That should give some measure of protection from enchanters.
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I have lived places where it gets hotter.
I said prolonged exposure, not "getting plenty of shade and water".
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>>24389179
they are fine they are loyal spirits. Fap's mind is built on one idea Loyalty to Selene he is dumber that a rat dog but 100% loyal
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>>24389222
And I'm still saying you're full of shit. There are places where it's that hot in the shade and humans live just fine with long-term exposure. Not comfortably, perhaps, but it's not even remotely deadly.
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>>24389222
Humans die without water quickly regardless of temperature.
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>>24389191
>Not leaving the tower
Forever?

It might be prudent to start brainstorming some ways to let them out safely.
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>>24389039
Lets study some conjuration. Have Liz teach us, and Selene can follow along.
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>>24389191
>Meals visiting mom's house
i never said that i was just mentioning we may want to move them to another sanctum if we abandon the tower or need to temporarily bug out.
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>>24389260
If we can force fake personalities onto them that they can play off with outside the tower, then maybe. As of this year of school? No.
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>>24389134
Our middle name is 'Fucking'
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>>24389234
yea but we didn't do shit for the dragons mind its probable a good idea to do something
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>>24389317
Liz just did.

>Liz whispers that it's to consider Alison its new master, then tucks it in with her
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>>24389285
Well, there's that. But I was thinking more on ways to prevent other people from finding them through scrying or other methods. Who knows if Lunch's family is completely unable to find her, even without the tengu's aid? Spells might exist that allow mages to find their blood relatives if they're not protected from such spells.
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>>24389290
this is 100% correct

>>24389179
well not fap give him focus or something
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>>24389260
We did. Anti scrying tattoo wards and mind seeded aversion to contacting anything that could relate to their old lives at a minimum. I'd prefer also adjusting their features, irises, fingerprints, hand lines and footprints with living alchemy also. I think a plan to murder Breakfast's family and take out Lunch's yakuza clan got shot down pretty quickly at some point, but I might be making that one up.
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>>24389335
I'd imagine after a certain amount of time without being able to locate their daughter, her family will write her off as dead, given what Scholomance is like. Still, some sort of permanent foci ward for each of the meals wouldn't go amiss.
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>>24389285
>If we can force fake personalities onto them

Are you assuming he is saying set them free?
I think he means market so they can walk outside the tower as there currant personality's on our orders in say an emergency or a move.

>>24389317
it was loyal to Liz now it belongs to Alison
We may want to ask Liz if making it more loyal is a wast of time but we don't need to just do it.
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"I think I might be able to use the principles in your collar," you tell Liz. "Have it be powered by ambient heat, and have the effect produced be reading her mind to see if she's at a comfortable temperature and then using Sorcery to adjust it if not. Same basic idea but, well, I could really use your help on anything involving Sorcery."

"I would love to help," Liz says, honesty in her voice.

"Good," you say. "I'll go over the important theoretical points on how your collar works, then we can brainstorm up something for her. Maybe a torc or a necklace or something. Anyway, did I miss anything important in class today?"

"Just more lecture," Liz tells you. "I can give you my notes and point out which sections he covered."

"What would I do without you?" you ask her, smiling.

She leans in and gives you a big kiss. "Improvise, I'm sure."

That's where I'm going to end it for tonight. I'll archive this thread.
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>>24389256
>Humans die without water quickly regardless of temp
Temperature makes all the difference. Dehydration can set in under an hour if its hot enough. Meditating in a cool location you can go a few weeks (aerobic respiration produces water and CO2 as "waste" products).

>>24389260
>Not leaving the tower
>Forever?
Yes, forever. What possible reason could the have to lave our sanctum?
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>>24389400
>Temperature makes all the difference. Dehydration can set in under an hour if its hot enough. Meditating in a cool location you can go a few weeks (aerobic respiration produces water and CO2 as "waste" products).
So unbelievably packed full to the brim with shit
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http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Scholomance

This thread is now archived. Remember to vote it up.
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>>24389431
Hey, Fem, I asked a few minutes ago, but do we have knowledge of our true name, if we have one? Do halflings like us not have one?
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>>24389400
>Meditating in a cool location you can go a few weeks
No, you can't.
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>>24389351
>I think a plan to murder Breakfast's family and take out Lunch's yakuza clan got shot down pretty quickly at some point, but I might be making that one up

I think you are making it up and that just 'plan' makes more waves than playing it on the DL

>>24389360
lunches grandad is a scholomance trained conjurar he may have bound a spirit to cast a simple spell to find her constantly it is a minor amount of work and may eventually pay off. It is also a plot device in my fap fiction.
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>>24389400
Not wanting to be a prisoner of this cruel school indefinitely?
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>>24389451
There was some push to get Max to ask her dad about that, but there was never enough consensus to do so that she actually did.
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>>24389472
So we have no knowledge as to whether we even have one? That seems problematic.
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>>24389400
>Yes, forever. What possible reason could the have to lave our sanctum?
1 moving to another sanctum.
2 any number of emergency evacuations.
3 some day we trust them enough and they are warded enough to be safe then come back home.
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>>24389400
It's not a bad trait to feel pity and sympathetic to a person.

I'm not saying we let them out when we feel that doing so could lead to danger for all of us. I'm just saying that we should work on a method to do so that would give us absolute confidence in not getting discovered.
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>>24389400
While I would prefer they stay in the tower myself, I have this sneaking suspicion that the tower isn't going to survive until graduation so we might as well plan for the Meals having to make an emergency exit.
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>>24389423
>Meditating in a cool location you can go a few weeks
is utter shit the other 2 facts are true but irrelevant to the principle shit claim of Meditating in a cool location you can go a few weeks
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>>24389530
We should rig either the spirit forge or dad's spirit farm to self-destruct in a pinch. Might prove useful for abandoning ship and taking our enemies with it.
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>>24389480
Right, so we need to get dad to teach us how to obscure one without finding out if we even have one.
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>>24389480
it is and is going on the to do list

>>24389472
do we have the mundane super bow?
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>>24389548
Porting the farm into the forge would probably do it.
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>>24389556
>do we have the mundane super bow?
Nope. Today was babbyday
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>>24389556
We haven't even started work on the super bow.
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>>24389572
Tomorrow is bowday.
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>>24389572
it was action 2 on the list of minor actions last night that dot 4 upvotes and 0 down votes.
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>>24389589
>dot
*got
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>>24389589
But I don't think it actually got made.
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>>24389423
>So unbelievably packed full to the brim with shit
under 1 hour dehydration
http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/survival/wilderness/live-without-food-and-water2.htm
Aerobic Respiration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerobic_respiration
According to Guinness Book of Records the longest time a human has survived without water is 18 days

Under normal condition, a human dies after 4 days without water.

>>24389514
1. Moving to another sanctum is not leaving our sanctum. The new sanctum is still our sanctum.
2. Emergency evacuation would be another sanctum.
3. Setting them free? really? Are you going to erase all those years from their mind then? We even established with the drill that such erasures can be undone.
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>>24389556
Get training with Alex before we invest time in the bow. Maybe our sensei will let us barrow something for "practice."
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>>24389617
I'm looking forward to seeing Alexander's armory.

inb4 "his armory is attached to his wrists"
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>>24389604
it is one alchemy success on a time skip while we specifically learned martial arts with Alexander in the background if we didn't get it I don't know what a minor action is and think that may just be a lie to placate us.
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>>24389606
Obviously he is suggesting wiping their memory or their time as Meals. The question is whether he realizes we would have to rip out the parts of their souls that hold the memories of their time with us and dad. That would probably cross my moral event horizon, but be necessary if we ever let them go.
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>>24389641
>inb4 he has extradimensional spaces attached to tattoos on his wrists and conjures gear with hand signs
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>>24388512
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/24136818/
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>>24389681
>Nartuard
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>>24389655
Minor action more or less means anything max does offscreen not included in our three actions, like making Selene a new bed. The bow (unless we're talking about a purely mundane bow) is a project though, so I doubt it would progress without our involvement.
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>>24389606
>1. Moving to another sanctum is not leaving our sanctum. The new sanctum is still our sanctum.
what about the time they are travailing between sanctums?
>2. Emergency evacuation would be another sanctum.
what about the time they are travailing between sanctums in the chaos or if we don't have a safe one as all were compromised at once and we all go on the lamb?
>3. Setting them free?
No send them out to the store to go shopping for us and come home maybe.
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>>24389606
>>24389677
Letting the meals out of the Sanctum is not directly against keeping them as servants. Like I said, if we can find a method that would give us a guarantee of safety, I see no reason why we should not try to give our meals some more rights.
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>>24389400
Dead wrong. You can survive in otherwise ideal conditions for three days without water.

In hot weather it's really dependent on level of activity, access to shade, and water intake. Just sitting in the heat won't kill you, but playing a soccer game without any water can. I've been to Iraq three times, and the thermometers regularly hit 130f in the shade in the summer, and as long as you keep sucking down the (bottled) water you'll be fine.

Rule of threes, memorize them:
>Three minutes without oxygen
>Three hours in inclement weather without proper clothing or shelter
>Three days without water
>Three weeks without food

There are things that tweak them, but as a general rule it's good to plan so you don't run up against them. Exposure is the most common cause of death or severe injury to campers (90%). Cold, rain, and snow are far more lethal than heat. Heat can be acclimated to and compensated for. Cold will murder you if you aren't layered properly.
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You do have a bow. It requires an effective Body of 7 to string and draw. It's a recurve made using metal alloy spring arms, and its string is an industrial cable. The arrows it fires are made by you, as the first few it fired either split or failed to fly straight because of the stressors and the way the materials and thicknesses interacted with the flex.

Aside from that, you've had no exceptional training for it with Master Lee, nor have you given it any magical upgrades of any kind. It's just a crazy-strong bow.
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>>24389767
Did we make the bow or was it part of the armory?
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>>24389767
Can we get an approximate draw strength?
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>>24389767
Oh. Cool.

We should take it to an archery competition and laugh at people.
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>>24389737
>The bow
I do mean a pure mundane bow made of things like steel but in no way magic just transmuted by magic to make it.
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>>24389767
Hey Femcock, mind giving us an update on Liz and Lin's sheets? The ones on the wiki are a bit outdated, I think.
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>>24389787
You made it. Why would a bow like that have been in the armory?

>>24389794
Fuck, I don't know. Two points beyond what you could reasonably expect a person to be able to use.

>>24389810
Sure. Not tonight, though.
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>>24389750
1&2- teleportation
3-alchemy to make cooking ingredients or conjure someone else's lunch to us.
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>>24389817
I must have missed any mentioning of us making the bow after the timeskip.
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>>24389767
thank you any other things i can cross off this list?
Slowly assemble 3 sets each of Focus crafting and basic transmutation foci(1 drain and 3 boost for each set).
Make the bedframe sturdier and add metal rings for attaching restraints.
get the stuff on our shopping list.
Have Liz design her tattoo.
Have Liz tattoo the meals (practice on raw pork bellies).
Crafting defensive tattoo foci.
Apothecary cabinets.
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>>24389827
>conjure someone else's lunch to us
I like to think that some unlucky bastard in an office somewhere has his lunch teleported out of the fridge by a wizard everyday.
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>>24389817

So between a 200 and 220 pound draw?

Most longbows were around a 120 pound draw.
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>>24389817
Hmmm, a standard Olympic (Body 5) recurve bow is fifty pounds of draw weight, so I guess probably somewhere between eighty and a hundred pound draw weight. No surprise arrows split into shards unless specially made for it.
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>>24389827
1&2
plan for the unexpected just in case
3 we may want to treat then a and b we may want something like a book that we cant alchemy unless we have a reference copy.
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>>24389794
>60-65lbs normal max for recurve bows

I'd guess in the 100-120 range?
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>>24389851
I assumed that's what happened to my missing sock.
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>>24389677
Yea, that was kind of my point. So, 10 years down the line we "free' them and what... mindwipe 10 years of memories? they are currently 16.
And if we don't mindwipe then they are gonna be traumatized as fuck.
If we want to be merciful we should treat them better and make them real members of our "family" rather then slaves. Not shred their minds and send them to their birth family.
>>24389750
1 & 2. Teleport from sanctum to sanctum
3. Too risky, we can do shopping ourselves or just teleport products from the shelf to the home.

The only reason I can see having them leave a sanctum is to come rescue us, and they are really not equipped to do so.
Now, the current sanctum wards could fail for some reason, or we could have to evacuate before making a new sanctum... those are both a result of us being fail. If such happens it would be nice if they had wards on them. But that should only be the result of us fucking up royally not the intended modus operandi. The proper way to relocate to a new sanctum is to have one prepared ahead of time and teleport them from the outbound circle of this sanctum to the inbound of the new one.
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>>24389836
I just didn't mention it because it was simple enough to just happen. It would be a single mundane transmutation roll.

>>24389839
Check off the sturdier bed frame with rings for sure.

>>24389855
No clue. I'm not going to put a number on it because I don't know enough about the specifics of archery and the physics and body mechanics therein. Suffice it to say, it requires Body 7, which is two points beyond what a human being could ever be reasonably expected to have.
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>>24389855
Welsh longbows that specialists had been training (and completely wrecking their skeletal structure) building up to through childhood. 120 is twice what would be considered a normal heavy draw weight.
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>>24389855
>Use bow that exceeds our Body score
>Firing an arrow exhausts us so badly that it expends a Body point

Might be cool.
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>>24389910

It'd be at least 180 pounds, because most english longbows I know are between a 90 and 120 pound draw, at least the REAL ones. Plus, you said it's made out of leaf springs and industrial cable.

Obviously we should try shooting this in public at some time for fun and to see what normals think (THIS IS NOT SERIOUS EXCEPT MAYBE FOR WHAT-IF WRITEFAGGOTRY)
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>>24389957
>Obviously we should try shooting this in public at some time for fun and to see what normals think
agree
>(THIS IS NOT SERIOUS EXCEPT MAYBE FOR WHAT-IF WRITEFAGGOTRY)
not agree
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>>24389957
Stop using welsh longbows as an example. There's too much lifelong training in that era for those archers for it to be comparable to modern archery.
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>>24389906
>Yea, that was kind of my point. So, 10 years down the line we "free' them and what... mindwipe 10 years of memories? they are currently 16.
>And if we don't mindwipe then they are gonna be traumatized as fuck.
>If we want to be merciful we should treat them better and make them real members of our "family" rather then slaves. Not shred their minds and send them to their birth family.
he and i mean keep them as our pets but give them a longer leash
>1 & 2. Teleport from sanctum to sanctum
>3. Too risky, we can do shopping ourselves or just teleport products from the shelf to the home.
see >>24389890 and above as well for 3

> If such happens it would be nice if they had wards on them.
we also need to be prepared fo any emergancy where our sanctum wards fall

>The proper way to relocate to a new sanctum is to have one prepared ahead of time and teleport them from the outbound circle of this sanctum to the inbound of the new one.
true but in an emergency things don't always go as planed and another redundant layer would be nice.
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>>24389997
But the point was that Body 5 is the peak of regular human ability. So figure out what some of the heaviest draws in the history of archery, and increase that.
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>>24389906
They already are members of the family though. Not really seeing your point.
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here is some of the shopping list someone took of the book scanner and i don't know if anything else.

Remote control vibrator
Ballgag
Dildogag
Buttplug
Ring gag
Pin-locked manacles and/or padded leather cuffs
Handcuffs (More than 1 pair, might be useful as foci, too)
One of those gloves that keep your hands together, I think they are called monoglove or something
Rope (I think we already have some but maybe special rope for bondage or something)
Silk gloves, elbow length
Matching thigh-highs

For meditation

24 hour incense coils
A desktop waterfall
Scented wax
One of those things that go DONK
For learning leaving alchemy

Lab rats and cages
books on biochemistry, chemistry, anatomy, pharmacology, metallurgy

Others

Microwave
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>>24390024
Egh, it's not that important. What's important is what having a Body 7 bow will give us over a Body 5 bow, which I assume is two extra dice to do damage with.
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>>24390037
But they're a liability in that, through them, hostile forces can possibly be led to us. Which is why I'm advocating to create as many safety precautions as we can to prevent such an event from happening.
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>>24390024
The peak for that would be about 200 pounds, at least that's our guess for the highest pulls on a Longbow, so I'd but the pull on this one at 250-300 pounds.
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>>24390024
Body 5 is the peak of what can reasonably expected of a person. There are mundane humans who have the equivalent strength of Body 6, for example. These stats are fast and loose and not representative of fringe cases. Expect Body 5 to be what a modern-day all-around fantastic, Olympic-level athlete to be able to perform.
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>>24389753
1. See the links I provided previously. >>24389606

2. I saw the site from which you quoted the "rule of 3s", make sure to vet your sources better. Its just a gimmick to help you remember not actual accurate info.
3. Exercising raises body temperature (yes it also intensifies other loses, like breathing). I said temperature which accounts for that not environmental temperature. When I said "meditate in the shade" I was not suggesting meditation is magic, but that while meditating you perform 0 physical activity and minimal mental activity)
4. You pass out after 3 seconds without oxygen (see sleeper hold). with training you can hold 3 minutes worth of oxygen IN YOUR LUNGS. Your average out of shape person would not be able to last 3 minutes.
5. That depends entirely on what "inclement weather" means. People live in places that get as cold as -50 C and you will NOT last 3 hours there.
6. Every source I saw suggested 4 day as the "normal" duration you can survive without water not 3. And as I linked before, under bad conditions even 1 hour can cause dehydration and the official recognized world record is 18 days (many bhuddists claim to have meditated without it for years but those are not accepted as they have not been vetted and are not believed to be possible).
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>>24390060
yes i think but i think only 1 more than no bow at all so a net gain of 3

and a gain over 2 pistols of like 1 at least.
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>>24390071
Since I'm not really familiar with how much force a 200 pound draw is capable of giving an arrow, can somebody give me an easier way to see how strong our bow can potentially be? Like, what's the strongest material an arrow shot from our bow can embed itself in and how deeply?
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>>24390110
There are crossbows with crazy draw weights. Go look at them on youtube.
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>>24389998
I am not against putting wards on them in case disaster strike and they are FORCED out of the tower.
I am against intentionally WANTING to let them out of the tower.
>>24390037
No, they are mind controlled slaves and meals.
We do not treat them anything like we treat our family.
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>>24390110

A 200 pound bow is a fucking monster.

I'm guessing our bow is roughly equivlanet to the ones the space-smurfs in Avatar had.

If I were us, I'm alchemy up some DU arrows or something, or at least tungsten broadheads and bodkins.
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>>24390110
part of your question depends on the arrow a hollow (tubes are stronger than rods) aircraft aluminum or titanium one will go further than a solid tungsten one but hit less hard

My best guesstimate for tungsten at like 5 yards is an inch in concrete.
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>>24390110
A fifty-pounds recurve, or a forty-pound compound bow are generally accepted to be average draw weight necessary to kill a large deer. Seventy-plus could probably put down an Elk. At Body 7, we're probably pulling like 120 to 150. We could probably punch holes in half-inch steel without much effort with arrows made of the right material. We'll probably need hardened steel plates for target practice.
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>>24390171
>We do not treat them anything like we treat our family.
they are amember of the family specificly our pets
they are less important than siblings, parents, cousins, children and close friends but they are family.
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>>24390236
or use concrete blocks as if they were foam archery targets
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>>24390171
Some of us want to treat them well. It's the same reason why we'd rather turn them into servants rather than to killing them outright. We find it to be more humane to do so.

So whether or not we keep them as life long prisoners inside our sanctum or if we let them out on "parole" is up to the popular vote.
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>>24390236

Are you nuts? My 30 pound starter bow was low. I don't know where you got your info from, but my teachers told me you want 60+ for hunting.
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>>24390274
>So whether or not we keep them as life long prisoners inside our sanctum or if we let them out on "parole" is up to the popular vote.

This is true and we all agree they need to be warded with tattoo magic items for extra security. So lets table this till someone actually proposes letting them on "parole" right then and I know I'm not saying do it now. I am >>24390238 and other posts
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>>24390310
Well, regardless, our bow is fucktard-level powerful. We can kill basically any soft target we can reach the heart of within the length of the arrow.
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>>24390310
i remember my archery instructor saying 40 was minimum to hunt but 60+ was what you wanted. so I think it can slide.
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>>24390274
I was specifically arguing against a suggestion made here that the "moral thing" to do would be to send them back to their birth families.
Treating them as cherished servants or beloved pets is what I actually WANT.
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>>24390383
>>24390384

After consulting with some other people, I'm pretty sure I was right with my original statement of 150-160 being the "normal" limit (At least, what you'd probably find non-custom).

I'm guessing our bow is around 200-250 pounds draw weight
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Guys, you're misunderstanding how those boxes work. Five boxes is what an Olympic athlete is CAPABLE of using, not what they actually use. It's the heaviest they can draw at all, ever, not the weight of ones used for competition shooting. If an Olympic athlete is five boxes and a very few mundanes hit six, then a bow requiring seven boxes in body to draw is one that's around 20lbs heavier than is absolutely humanly possible to move at all, never mind aim. Most of these estimates sound far too low.
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>>24390487

You're forgetting we plan on USING this bow.

Also, I'm personally leaning towards a 250 pound draw bow, myself.

I'm thinking either DU arrows or gravitics.

If we're feeling fancy, fullerened antimatter arrows.
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>>24390440
The root of the discussion, though, was in allowing them free movement outside of the sanctum, which you were vehemently speaking against.
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>>24390440
>send them back to their birth families.
you read that into that post he said treat them humanely and "porole" as let them go. I don't think that is what he meant and it is not what i advocated. I and I think he just want someday to be able to take our pets out in an open grassy field and fuck then silly or let them shop in a mall under supervision. Assuming they prove 'mundanely' loyal enough to be trusted and there personal wards are sufficiently strong.
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>>24390487
>If an Olympic athlete is five boxes and a very few mundanes hit six
A human CANNOT have a 6 boxes without magic.
That being said, I agree with your assertion. The bow requires 7 to even draw, rather then being designed to be IDEAL for someone with 7 to use.

>>24390568
I asked "why would we ever want them to leave the sanctum" and the only justifications I was given were:
1. We want to send them to buy stuff for us (so, treat them like slaves)
2. We have to relocate them somewhere because something bad happened.

Nobody has actually suggested we take them out to movie or a restaurant or to a club or some such. So how exactly is making them "work" outside the tower being "nice" to them? its just giving them extra work and risking someone seeing them.
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>>24390613
>A human CANNOT have a 6 boxes without magic.
Fem literally just said otherwise twenty minutes ago. See:

>>24390072
>Body 5 is the peak of what can reasonably expected of a person. There are mundane humans who have the equivalent strength of Body 6, for example. These stats are fast and loose and not representative of fringe cases. Expect Body 5 to be what a modern-day all-around fantastic, Olympic-level athlete to be able to perform.
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>>24390613
One would think that "personal recreation" would be a thing that would not need to be mentioned. I mean. Look how easily YOU came up with them. Goes without saying.
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Alright, the heaviest bow draw ever recorded is an even 200 pounds. Based on that, somewhere around 250lbs sounds about right for our bow.
Now: When do we enchant it with energy arrows?
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>>24390691
When we get Sorcery up to not-shit levels.
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>>24390640
I expect str equivalent body 6 (or maybe even 7) to be for retardmode humans like Gregor Clegane.
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>>24390561
>antimatter
the boom would be drop teh sun big and antimatter would react to the inner surface of the Bucky ball just like any other carbon unless we made it out of mater that was not antimatter reactive or some kind of other destructive. Plus to release stable fullerened antimatter you would need to break down the Bucky ball and they are tough molecules for ther size.
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>>24390691

Energy? Fuck no.

We're using DU for AP, and then we're on to exotics.

Relatavistic arrows, matter annihilators, plasma generators, GRASER arrays, etc.

Barriers may stop kinetics, but do they stop plasma from cooking you inside of your armor? Do they stop directed energy weapons? Do they stop direct matter conversion into light?
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>>24390729

That's the point of fullerened antimatter.

We rig it up with an impact detonator that ruptures the first buckyball, starting the reaction. As well, I'm not suggesting even a ton of TnT relative yield, only maybe 1-3 blocks of C4 equivalent.
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>>24390761
In this universe we'd be forcing the key for a teleportation portal into a pocket dimension.
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>>24390750
We're going to need to amp up Max' Mind and make her do some research on the materials before Fem lets us do any of these crazy arrow ideas.

Which are totally awesome.
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>>24390729
Could you stop and proofread your posts, please? I'm much too tired to mentally correct your "teh"s.
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>>24390613
>Nobody has actually suggested we take them out to movie or a restaurant or to a club or some such. So how exactly is making them "work" outside the tower being "nice" to them? its just giving them extra work and risking someone seeing them.

That was an over-site on my part i apologies that should have been 4. I was looking only for cold logical reasons to explain why we want let them out. Because I assumed, obviously incorrectly, you and others would popo the whole thing for showing any purely sentimental reasons.
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>>24390806

It's a long-term plan, but one would assume Liz would be able to provide brainsmeats to come up with at least one of these ideas once we go to her and say "Hey slut, any ideas on ways to kill people inside of barriers without breaching them?"
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>>24390837
Ah, I see :)
Well honestly I would love to treat them nicer.
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>>24390875
I'm telling you guys. We would all be terrible doms.
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>>24391034
Some people that prefer being dominant are probably actually rather lacking in self-confidence. They want trusting relationships with subs to validate emotional wants and needs. Obviously, not everyone is from the same cookie-cutter, but it's hardly an unthinkable premise.
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>>24391034
Being their dom WOULD be treating them better.
They even asked to before and we refused.
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>>24390811
Sorry I am tired to I guess that's how they are slipping so much right now.

>>24390791
If you mean what you seem to mean by fullerened antimatter I don't think the buckyballs would be stable containers as the "walls" are normal matter. Also I forget the exact math but i don't think a hydrogen antihydrogen reaction effectively the smallest mater antimatter reaction possible can produce explosions that small. Pleas show the math i cant find it and an curious.
>We rig it up with an impact detonator that ruptures the first buckyball.
How? Also how do we make it safe enough to carry?

if you want to say fullerened antimatter is stable post link to math and physics that indicates that i dont think it is.

>>24391034
doms treat there subs nice (not all the time of coarse), unless you are talking about communication issues.
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>>24391140
More like we nervously deflected them in favor of not irritating Liz, which is amazingly lacking in authority in behavior, given the circumstances.
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>>24391148
That is a very good point.
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>>24391148
Just because we like taking charge in bed doesn't mean we aren't still a 16 year-old girl.

All things considered, we consistently act *way* more mature than our age.
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>>24391140
>They even asked to before and we refused
well not entirely we just told Lunch she couldn't be our sub but we do dom her in the sense of being our pet our relationships are weird.

>>24391148
we should work on subtly loosening that it will make us the meals and likely her all happyer. Not to mention make it easier when selene wants the D. Maybe even let us do dad and he would love that.
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>>24391140
This is why Liz is a better Mistress for Lunch, the poor Meal had to beg for a spanking. Made me sad that Max doesn't treat her right.
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>>24391226
murder Hogwarts people grow up fast and lotus augs in focus and calm help with immaturity.

>>24391244
we should funnis her more.
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The ratio of non-knowledge about dom-sub relationships to assertion of said knowledge in this thread is astounding.
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>>24391146

The same way C4 is safe to carry?

I mean, the antiprotons in fullerene safe safe via repulsion force from the fullerene's electrons, so we'd need to disrupt that to start the annihilation. After that, by my (addmitedly rushed and probably wrong) math, we only need 10 micrograms of antiprotons to get the equivalent blast of 4kg of TNT, so yes, doable, in my eyes.
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>>24391236
Still think Liz would be fine with it if we let her take his ass while we work his mouth. I'm sure he'd love the attention.
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>>24391278
Agree with both points. Maybe also evaluate Liz's technique with handling Lunch (hell, we might learn something).
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>>24391287
If you were there for the wax play mess then you can't possibly still be astounded.
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>>24391287
We're a bunch of fa/tg/uys bumbling around trying to get through a strange, fringe relationship dynamic. It's bound to happen that there will be amazing misconceptions, and that we will embarrass ourselves thoroughly. Funnily enough, we might as well BE a sixteen-year-old girl with no prior experience in a successful relationship.

By all means, by the way, if you have any insight, please share. At the very least, I'm personally working on 20% confirmed information and 80% guesswork and inference.
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>>24391380
Thankfully I only skimmed it on my phone after the fact which minimized embarrassment.

>>24391385
Nah, I like you guys bumbling through everything, and it really does fit the character. I just wish every anon wouldn't act like they know what they're talking about when it's completely clear they don't.
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>antiprotons in fullerene safe safe via repulsion force from the fullerene's electrons
so you want to use ionized antihigrovin wit no positrons that makes sense im not shure it would work though.
>so we'd need to disrupt that to start the annihilation
or crack open one of the buckyballs
we only need 10 micrograms of antiprotons to get the equivalent blast of 4kg of TNT, so yes, doable, in my eyes
I was more worried that we wouldn't be able to go that small if you are even 2 orders of magnitude on target that concern is done.

>>24391291
once we do it once with her it is smooth sailing but we need to gently push past that limit. We should start by making her put on shows for us wit the meals then Lin then finally push the 3 way with dad.
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>>24391496
>I just wish every anon wouldn't act like they know what they're talking about when it's completely clear they don't.
We could probably do with a bit less of that, yes. More questions and less guessing would probably save us at least some embarrassment. That, and, you know, getting a little meta and asking Liz/Lin/Yin/Yang questions so that Fem can clear up misconceptions in-quest rather than telling us herself.
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>>24391225
do you want to just spit ball about the best way to restore parts of the meals memories no actual advocating or pressure?
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Rolled 59 + 20

>>24391596
spit ball? advocating? what are you talking about?
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>>24391578
That would be nice, yeah. But shit like >>24391547 just makes me put my face in my hands and cry.
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>>24391625
Heh. Forgot to turn off your gargoyle quest rolling.
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>>24391578
true part of the ooc problem is I am sure Max learned things about say knots and knot safety with Liz off screen. We tie her up a lot and the inexperienced players didn't see that and learn the associated lessons. I bet we played with that candle over the time skip to and learned wax safety. and so on.

>>24391625

spit ball: wild speculation and unfounded wondering, or a casual first order approximation.

no advocating: a phrases i am using to mean, that we all understand this is a casual conversation and no need to argue every or even any detail, it is just to share and air different positions not convince others.

you seem bad at American idioms is American English not your first language? Are you British?
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>>24391649
Yep :)
I noticed you are there (same trip too)
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>>24391808
My native language is hebrew. Second language is american english.
Thanks for the explanation on the idioms.

>>24391596
I would love to... but we kinda covered it in great detail in a couple of threads ago.
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>>24391627
Yeah, taking things one step at a time would save us a lot of headaches. This is not the kind of relationship that works well with going over one another that severely. Doing that kind of shit in ANY relationship is just asking to get bitten in the ass. If we think she's being too uptight about sex, we need to fucking tell her, not try to sociopathically manipulate her into liking it. Some people in this thread seem absolutely terrified of asking Liz anything that might make us look the slightest bit confused or unsure about any of our actions. I'd rather us ask questions and look a little dumb than do something regrettable or embarrassing.
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>>24391886>>24391627
Oh I get your problem now. I forgot to mention that talking parts implied in all of that and just jumped to the actions, that was my dumb yes communication is key in BSDM and conversation. I should have been clear we should tell her our issues and possibly agree to use the other steps to make her more comfortable pushing her limits till we test them hard against dad.
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>>24391866
nah everyone just yelled at each other. i will start in a minute.
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>>24391866
>My native language is hebrew.
other than the idioms you are pretty good. I see you misread things a lot and read in unintended messages mostly form turns of phrase. when people disagree with you try looking for other ways there position could be reasonable and ask is that what they mean that helps me a lot.

>>24392025
Lunch we can put basically everything lost back, except things about max Liz and Lin before she came home with us. There is no safety concerns and she will then be able to use her society tricks to aid us (don't teach us as that is a security risk like not learning walker tricks from dad).
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>>24392025
well, in that case... copy pasta from last discussion:

First, place mind seeds in each meal (separate seeds, non conflicting).
I made a list of the mind seeds people suggested:
Place the following SEPARATE mind seeds in each meal:
1. When trying to attack any of the masters, freeze, be unable to do magic, and state what you were trying to do (suggested originally as defense against rebellion but I like it because it helps against mind control too).
2. Suppress or ignore the emotional component of memories from their life before being renamed by max. (1 vote for it, 1 veto on it. I am uncertain one way or the other about it)

I personally added to the above list the following ideas:
3. When recalling memories (not via drill, but whenever you THINK about the past), view such memories in a way that reinforces loyalty rather then degrade it (consult dad on specifics for that one).
4. Avoid noticing mind alterations by max, liz, or dad.
5. Avoid suspecting max of using magic to control them, their loyalty is natural.
6. If loyalty to max wanes, inform her, inform her why, and restore said loyalty automatically.
7. Do not have the desire to recover memories which aren't approved of by max.

In addition to that, while operating the drill regularly inspect their minds and do manual corrections. With unwanted mind fragments being locked up rather then being destroyed (to avoid having the drill re-recover them).

In addition to all the above, we could make a drill variant that puts all recovered memories into a special construct that is not fully self aware and is serving as a lockbox, which can then be perused by dad or max for memories to be manually reintegrated into their main consciousness if deemed appropriate.
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>>24392181
Breakfast is a lot harder she has so much more to rebuild.

The guy who cant understand the mind soul dualism dose have a shred of a point about Breakfast dying for a full Maria reset but he is still wrong.

The best way to do this is to slowly add pieces back to her at first things like her magic and language and basic trivia.
Then after she adapts to that we can build back shreds of actual incidents and episodes in her memory and let her chose which to keep and which to lose
after we sensor bigoted ones and risky ones to her loyalty and happiness.

then after she has had time to adapt to that if she is still sweet loving and loyal beyond mere enchantment we slowly let her pick censored memories to have back to show her how her old views were wrong.

any questions or concerns wit this? any obvious erors and why?
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>>24392439
I like it. Also it is a very long term project, years. And I am fine with that.
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>>24392499
any flaws or questions i am going over yours now.

I am relay worried about how to add censored memories skills without memories and the exact way we let her know what she is picking.
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>>24392211
>(separate seeds, non conflicting).
yes they should be separate so each one has to be pulled out individually. and we can make then not conflict is that what you mean by "non conflicting"?

1this is a good all around idea even if we trust them as insurance against mind control. I dont know if our currant seeds can do that but that is a simple adaptation of the seed principle if not as it can be don without one during an attack.

2.this is a bad idea as it is unpredictable and when removed unstable we want them to adapt to the memories they recover and hopefully integrate them into there currant life happily failing that we lovingly remove offending memories for our safety and there happiness.
3 this is ok but i would rather there loyalty be natural for 3 reasons.
A that makes it much harder to remove with magic as no part of it can be counter spelled only overwritten by an active spell.
B that also means that if we get them back after losing them making them loyal again is easy as we can i) counter-spell the enforced disloyalty ect with ether sorcery or enchantment , ii) or add a layer of enforced loyalty on top to return them toward there natural loyal stat.
C it is more moral (i take this as virtually self deviant). this has 2 classes of advantage. A it is better on our conscious our children and Liz to be as good as this place allows us to be.
B if we have a good moral argument for our position and Breakfasts loyalty is almost entirely natural with only a root of magical enforcement (our currant effects on her). She will be much more able to integrate her past beliefs and re-asses them in a light that is good for us. So we can change her opinion on the morality of braking vs killing people. form DD main line to our and dads position.
It also makes my proposal much more stable.

I prefer sturdy less for reaching loyalty to extreme fragile loyalty.

more to come
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>>24392211
>4. most of the time we want them to know the changes so they can digest better them if we want a change to be secret we can block that one change.
If they knowingly and actively participate in there reconstruction they will love us for doing this for them and will be more loyal because of all the work there mistress puts into helping them.
we can also nurture a fetish in them for mind alteration or memory recovery by rewarding them sexually after every session they cooperate for. So that they think of sex as part of there alterations (my MC boner is hard at this thought.)

5 Lunch knows part of her lust, loyalty, submissiveness, cat afectations, and possibly masochism are artificial already. Breakfast could figure it out if she were smarter there is no hiding the artificial aspect.
I say we embrace that fact lunch was driven to ask us to be her lover not loving owner in part by our magic but she has grown into that role and accepted it.
The root is enforced but some of it is natural. We want to grow the natural part to the point where if the artificial part only was remover they would ether not notice and continue as our willing pet, or would fight to get it back of there own free will.
thus knowing what part of there personality is artificial is actually a good thing.

continuing
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>>24392613
>any flaws or questions i am going over yours now.
I don't really see any flaws.
Except perhaps that you assume enchantment is "dispellable".
As far as I understand it enchantment changes memories and personalities. There is no ongoing magic. Once you are in you can immediately make a major change (devotion and loyalty to you). But it takes time to make small changes.

>>24392982
I don't mean that the seeds should actively modify the memories but encourage them to rethink them in a way we want. in effect "processing" said memories. If the seed is dispelled the processed memories remain processed. It would take years to undo properly (but an instant to just make them loyal to a new master)
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>>24393273
You raise very good points.
Although with such freedom they will grow terse with us unless they actually become lovers. And that carries its own issues, both moral and with getting Liz's approval.
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>>24392211
6 the first part is gold though it would need the same spell alterations 1 needs i think. the second part conflicts with the points about 5 if something is super important we can fix it manually baby an automatic stopgap is a good idea beyond minor dips but it should be only until she tells us and still allow a small drop as a show of trust.

7 we want theme actively participating in the process to make them more loyal in the long run. If we can differentiate between active desire to recover memories and considerations of what to ask mistress to bring back that is a good thing to enforce. If we cant do that we should just put an aversion to the idea of recovering on your own.

>In addition to that, while operating the drill regularly inspect their minds and do manual corrections. With unwanted mind fragments being locked up rather then being destroyed (to avoid having the drill re-recover them).
hell yes

>
In addition to all the above, we could make a drill variant that puts all recovered memories into a special construct that is not fully self aware and is serving as a lockbox, which can then be perused by dad or max for memories to be manually reintegrated into their main consciousness if deemed appropriate.

Only issue is we don't want to learn lunches society techniques as that is dangerous like learning weaver stuff from dad.
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>>24393444
>In addition to all the above, we could make a drill variant that puts all recovered memories into a special construct that is not fully self aware and is serving as a lockbox, which can then be perused by dad or max for memories to be manually reintegrated into their main consciousness if deemed appropriate.
>Only issue is we don't want to learn lunches society techniques as that is dangerous like learning weaver stuff from dad.
Yea, that is a big issue... we could perhaps lock the info up inside our own mind though... even label it "knowledge of <X's> secrets". So if that society ever is openly after us we can crack it open and recover our own memories of such.
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>>24393370
>dispellable
If i am correct there is an ongoing effect making lunch horny submissive cat like and masochistic.
Breakfast has similar magic insertions as suchars[sic] in her shattered mind but much of her things are by the new shape of her mind.

You can do both ongoing and one shot changes. Ongoing effects are a thing like the mind seed in Pierre. one shots include the lost memories of the meals, but a similar effect could be an ongoing suppression spell.
I think the meals loyalty is rooted in an ongoing spell and they are growing natural loyalty on top of that.

>I don't mean that the seeds should a
which exact section is this a reply to?
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>>24393416

> terse with us unless they actually become lovers
I am not certain of this but we should be on the lookout for issues anyway.

>both moral and with getting Liz's approval
assuming Liz approves I see no moral issue as long as they push for it not us. If you see different pleas explain why.

By then I hope Liz is into full poly/harem manager mode.
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>>24393506
>Yea, that is a big issue... we could perhaps lock the info up inside our own mind though... even label it "knowledge of <X's> secrets". So if that society ever is openly after us we can crack it open and recover our own memories of such.
I don't like the idea of locking the info up without a very specific focused mind virus to only destroy that info if we are computerized. If anyone mind rapes us they can break into those mind vaults with ease so they are only good at stooping us accidentally exposing our sensitive knowledge. If we do mind emergency deletion boxes obviously dads true name but not identity or all memories goes in one. The problem with deletion boxes is that we want to eventually make a mind drill aug to automatically give us memory regeneration if someone Breakfasts us and doesn't dispel all our augs. That may act funny with memory suppression or just remove it (being immune to wipe and not surprising sounds like a design flaw to me and making an exception mechanism makes the auto drill super exploitable) and completely defeat the point of deleting our own memories for security. So we cant help Liz find her private fall back sanctum and the erase that for her safety.



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