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~They expressed their disappointment, but are willing to continue working with us for now.~ Caster told you.

“Thank you.” You mutter, "Also, what was her name?"

~Akiko Shirosawa.~ Caster replies. You nod in mute thanks. You will honor her memory.

“So...the War is finally swinging into gear.” Assassin mused. You find yourself subtly nodding in agreement as you think about where to go from here.

[]Consolidate your forces. Move everyone to one location, reinforce it, hide it, and turtle this war with your combined might
[]Consolidate your forces, but leave the weak link out. Use them as your primary scouts.
-[]Who is going to turtle with you?
[]Go on the offense. Drop the pretenses at stealth, send out scouts and attackers en mass. Dedicate all your time to the War
[]Be sneaky about this. Continue as a normal student, but send out as many scouts as you can. Information, Information.
[]Write in

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>>24345143
[X]Be sneaky about this. Continue as a normal student, but send out as many scouts as you can. Information, Information.
Assassin...

>>24345143
>[X]Be sneaky about this. Continue as a normal student, but send out as many scouts as you can. Information, Information.

The Saber+Archer combo could probably crack us like a nut if we tried to turtle, and going on the offensive risks drawing the attention of the remaining two unknown Servants. Lets chill and gather info for now.

>>24345143
>[]Be sneaky about this. Continue as a normal student, but send out as many scouts as you can. Information, Information.

>>24345143

[x]Be sneaky about this. Continue as a normal student, but send out as many scouts as you can. Information, Information.

The masquerade continues until the facade has lost it's use. For that matter, we need excuses to meet with Tomoko.

> Assassin

She served us well, that is all we can ask.

>>24345143
be sneaky about this.

"Assassin, we're going to need more info before we can act. I have no right to ask you of this, but your help in scouting would be appreciated." You tell her.

"I would want someone to guard Tomoko when I was not with her." Assassin told you.

"I know, and I'll see what Caster and I can do about that." You assure her.

"Then I will expand my scouting attempts." Assassin answers.

"As well, Tomoko and I will need some kind of excuse to meet up without looking to suspicious. I plan to keep up the charade of being a normal student for as long as possible." You tell her.

"I will speak with her, then. She may just decide to meet up with you whenever she feels like it anyways, however." Assassin replies.

"Great. Well, I'll meet you tomorrow with my plans for guarding Tomoko then." You assure Assassin, turning to leave with Saber.

For guarding Tomoko, you probably ought to...
[]Have your Saber guard her.
[]Have Caster guard her
[]Summon another Psuedo-Servant to guard her

and you probably ought to...

[]Send Saber with Assassin on scouting missions
[]Send Caster with Assassin on scouting missions
[]Send a new Psuedo-Servant with Assassin on scouting missions
[]Let Assassin scout alone

>>24345653
>[]Have your Saber guard her.
>[]Send a new Psuedo-Servant with Assassin on scouting missions
>-[] Archer

Might also want to talk to caster about acquiring a leyline to limit the strain on his prana. Or should we wait until we turtle down at some later date to worry about that?

>>24345653
>[]Have your Saber guard her.
Sabers are good at that.

>[]Send a new Psuedo-Servant with Assassin on scouting missions

>>24345653

[]Summon another Psuedo-Servant to guard her
Summon her an Archer, excellent for defense.

[]Let Assassin scout alone

Assassin seems to prefer solitude, no need to cramp her with unnecessary aid.

>>24345741
I agree.
We should let Assassin do her thing solo for the time being.

>>24345653
Summon a new pseudo servant, we should keep our sword at our side.
Let Assassin scout alone
because sticking caster with her is asking for marshmallow cat-kabobs, and she can murder any of our magical girls. not saying she would, but its best to not take the chance

>>24345653
>[]Send a new Psuedo-Servant with Assassin on scouting missions

And

[X] Ask Assassin what her preference would be

Maybe she would like backup now that the War is heating up. Maybe not. But she's gonna be the one in the field, not us, so we should let HER choose rather than just making a decision arbitrarily.

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The next morning your sitting at the table with Sayaka and Caster, still drained from the previous night. "Caster. Do you think you can summon up another Servant to guard Tomoko with?" You ask him. He thinks for a moment before nodding.

~Yes. Considering Tomoko, I have a most ideal girl who can prove useful in combat as well, should we need her.~ Caster informed you.

"Excellent. If you would summon her up, please?" You ask softly. Caster steps out into the middle of your small living room and a soft glow fills the room, leaving a golden haired young woman crouched in front of the small cat like Servant. She's a dressed in a rather risque outfit, making you think of a fetishist bar maid.

"I am the one who is bound, answering the pull of your call." She says softly, standing and opening her eyes. Her gaze seems to alight upon seeing Sayaka. "Ah, Saber, dear! You've already been called?" She asks.

"Yes, Archer. It's nice to see you again, as well." Sayaka answers softly.

"Well, it looks like this time you're my experienced senior instead of the other way around." Archer remarks.

"Yes, well, we need you to watch one of our allied Masters while her Servant is out scouting for us." You tell her.

"Oh? I can do that. Where is the Master I will be guarding?" Archer asks.

"You'll meet her a little later, when I go to school." You tell her, "But for now, would you like some breakfast?"

"Oh, breakfast does sound nice. Very well, then."

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Later that morning, you meet up with Tomoko who immediately takes to Archer calling her Onee-sama, for whatever that means. Archer herself seems rather smitten with the short girl as well. Assassin nods her thanks and slips out for the day, leaving you to your classes.

>Roll for d100s for luck, people. First five are the only ones that count.

>>24345886
Wow I somehow derped that. The first choice there should be

>[]Have your Saber guard her.

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Rolled 13

>>24346418
OH CRAP A DICE ROLL

Also, holy shit its Mami
We can't let her die. My heart couldn't take it. Not again...

Rolled 78

>>24346418
Rollingu

Rolled 62

>>24346418
Dice? Oh god. Oh no. THE HORROR BEGINS AGAIN.

Is high or low good?
Wait.
No.
Don't tell me. That way I can at least pretend I'm not accidentally fucking everyone.

Rolled 33

>>24346418

Rejoice, dice.

Rolled 65

>>24346418
HEEERE WE GOOO!

>>24346460
>>24346471
>>24346484
>>24346532
>>24346541
Wow... our average on 5 rolls was 50.2.
WE STATISTICAL NOW!

>>24346418
MAMI! Looks like caster is willing to literally break out the big guns now. Still, Assassin's dead, so did Saber nail the gem? If he didn't she's still alive meaning caster is now powering 3 servants. But we did finish those generators so...

Also, are low rolls good or bad?

>>24346484
It's always the opposite of what you hope it is after. If GM likes low rolls you start rolling high. If he wants high rolls you tend to roll low.

/tg/ dice, they have it out for us man.

>>24345653
>offer to send a Psuedo-servant with her. Presume nothing.

I should also point out that due to Caster's mental pollution Information Erasure might not work on him at all. Thus, he'll remember exactly what happened to that broad Assassin iced, including the dissection. That, plus the bank of fog that always follows her around and our familiarity with legends and myth will give us an IC reason to know her identity as Jack. Tomoko probably already knows ours so we need to fix this little information gap.

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You find yourself distracted slightly through all of class, Caster wrapped comfortingly around your shoulders for most of your day. At the end of the day, you meet up with Tomoko and Archer, who are both all smiles and grins.

"Has Assassin come back to talk to you, Tomoko?" You ask her in the privacy of her dorm room, where Archer has prepared tea and somehow found the ingredients and utensils to bake a cake.

"Mm, not yet, no. Which is odd...Nee-chan has never been late before..." Tomoko muttered, a worried look crossing her face, making her look far more tired and depressed than you've ever seen her.

"Maybe I should go out looking for her? Or Saber?" Archer suggests.

"That's a possibility. As is having Tomoko use a Command Seal to return Assassin here. Or, we can attempt to scry on Assassin's location, using Tomoko here as the source. Or, if Tomoko knows how, she can just look through Assassin's eyes to see what's up." You point out.

"Ah, sorry. I don't know how to do anything magical, summoning Nee-chan was something of a...freak accident." Tomoko mumbled.

~Even so, we have plenty of options.~ Caster points out.

[]Send Archer out
[]Send Saber out
[]Send both out
[]Have Tomoko use a command seal
[]Use Tomoko to scry
[]Try and teach Tomoko how to look through Assassin's eyes
[]Write in

>For rolling, higher is good. The more of the five above the target number you guys get, the more in your favor results are. Most times, if it's something you can reasonably estimate your chances of completing, I'll give you a target number. If its completely unknown to you, then the target number is hidden. Now, another roll for you.

Roll d100s, target number 55 to determine Assassin's Identity with your current information.

Rolled 11

>>24346842
[]Use Tomoko to scry

On the off chance we ever need to remove Assassin, we don't need Tomoko to be able to see what Assassin sees.

Scry, lowest risk.

rolling for deduction

Rolled 79

>>24346842
[X]Use Tomoko to scry

Mami needs a new tea set!

Rolled 38

>>24346842
>[]Use Tomoko to scry
Chances are Tomoko would know when Assassin is killed. She might not know much but she'll definitely feel it through the contract.

Rolled 46

>>24346842
>[]Use Tomoko to scry

Time to impress her with our awesome wizard powers.

Rolled 86

>>24346842
[x]Use Tomoko to scry

Time for MAGIC!

Rolled 4

>>24345653
Well, though I am a bit uncomfortable with it dating her would be a perfect excuse. We just go around, find a private place, and start talking. We would likely have to kiss her or something to keep it all looking legit, but it is a good cover regardless.

I really don't want to break any hearts if we can help it though, and if it all works out we will have to at least ice Assassin. Very sad, being Tomoko is suffering.

>>24346842
So she's the Uryuu of the war, great. Well, better make our ally more competent by teaching her some magecraft. Reinforcement bitch, it does a body good.

>[X]Use Tomoko to scry
Best idea I think.

>>24346842
>I don't know how to do anything magical
Goddammit Tomoko, you've got to be kidding me.

Well, if she summoned a Servant she must have SOME magic circuits. Maybe we should teach her the basics so she's not full-derp useless.

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>>24347020
Forgot to add, we should ask if she even knows about things like a magus or magecraft. If totally ignorant she must be enlightened as to the nature of most magi. We can give her a toned down version of "The Talk" I've been wanting to give her. Amped up version can wait for a climactic moment.

"At base all a magus wants to do is achieve the root of all knowledge, Akasha, and be able to perform the true magics. This war is an easy way to do that. Given the chance to achieve their goal, whatever it may be, a typical magus will do most anything. If the enemy master is a magus he will kill you because that is easier than taking out your servant. In fact, he'll try to kill you both at the same time because so long as you have command seals a servant that has lost its master can contract with you. They are ruled by pure practical logic, morality is of little to no concern for most of them.

They are also a bunch of pretentious self-serving idiotic Luddites and eschew most all modern technology. If anything that is their biggest weakness. I do not share it, and because of that I am essentially an exile. I'm surprised they haven't slapped a sealing designation on me out of spite yet."

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"A scrying attempt would likely be our best, and safest, bet. Caster, would you mind assisting me?" You ask him, beginning to clear the small table. Archer and Saber jump in, grabbing dishes and setting them aside as Caster jumps up onto the table.

~Tomoko, please sit in the center of the table.~ Your Servant requests. The young girl does asked, climbing up onto the table and sitting in that odd Japanese style in the center of the table. ~Now, stare into my eyes. Do not look away.~ He intones as you set several precious metals around Tomoko in a hexagonal formation. You began to mumble the spell, letting the liquid metal of your circuits flood your senses. You're getting glimpses of Assassin in a deep fog, occasionally clashing with two young man to be driven off by Archer at the last minute. She's taken several serious wounds while Archer seems almost untouched. You hear Tomoko whimpering in sympathy at the wounds. You silently curse Assassin under your breath for being so arrogant as to try attacking during the day.

[]Send her reinforcements(Who?)!
-[]Via command seal
-[]The old fashioned way
[]Have Tomoko call her back now!
[]Both of the above!
[]Write in

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>>24347209
We're pretty much Rin in this situation guys, and Tomoko has the unfortunate position of Shirou with a good but not totally fuckawesome servant like pic related.

She's fucked without us.

As well, due to your rolls, you've figured out a bit more about Assassin. no name yet, though.

>>24347239
>[]Send her reinforcements!
-[X] Archer
-[X]The old fashioned way

Archer needs to get to arching. Sniping them shouldn't be that difficult if she has a way to see where they are.

>>24347280

My thoughts exactly.

>>24347239

It's cavalry time!!!

>the dudes have to be injured in some fashion, we just need to finish them off.

>>24347239
[X]Send her reinforcements(Archer)
-[X]The old fashioned way

Set Mami to full power!
UNLIMITED FLINTLOCK RIFLEWORKS

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>>24347239
>Have Tomoko call her back now!

We need to save our seals guys, can't let that little fuckball survive this war. It's also the best way as She is by definition instantly teleported to our (or rather Tomoko's) location. That might be bad from the standpoint that someone might be able to track her somehow but Information Erasure might take care of that little problem.

>>24347280
>>24347280
Might work, but if our ally loses her servant because it takes too long we have a problem. My was is also logical because it costs her a command seal. In the event we do front-stab her her having less of those than we do is a very good thing.

>>24347239
>[]Have Tomoko call her back now!

STUPID STUPID STUPID JACK

>>24347239
>[]Have Tomoko call her back now!
As much as I'd like to see UBW face off with Mami'sUMW, not going to risk it. No idea if we could get anyone there in time, and Assassin is already rather beat up. Best to have her return and tell us anything she can about Archerko.

>>24347239
Bring Back Jack

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>>24347239
>[]Have Tomoko call her back now!

Y U DO DIS ASSASSIN?
Are we going to need Mami to give you a stern talking to regarding not going lone-wolf for no goddamn reason?

>>24347354
It's archer, fighting Jack, DURING THE DAY. That means she gets none of her awesome BS powers for dealing with things that have a pussy. Meaning it's like a Normal Assassin going up against a night class. Do you know what that spells?

F U C K E D
Hard, from behind, without lube, for hours and hours and hours. She basically committed suicide without any hope of getting something out of it! She's gone full retard.

>>24347472
Forgot to add: So please change your vote. You do not comprehend how much shit Assassin is in. Calling her back is the only 100 percent sure way to save her. We are a logical magus, we make logical decisions.

>>24347239
>[X]Have Tomoko call her back now!
This will not end well if we don't do this. Jack's going to die, we'll reveal our own Archer, and we won't accomplish anything.

We need to get closer to Tomoko and get a cover story. Ask her how she would feel about going out with you. Tell her it's a cover, but hint that that's not all it is. Perhaps mention that she and Onee-chan saved your life the other night.

"Call her back. Call her back, now. We can't risk losing her like this." You command.

"H-How?" Tomoko asks shakily as there's an image of Assassin being easily batted aside by a huge slab of stone in the vague shape of a sword.

"Focus all your will on it, focus on the Command Seal and getting Assassin back here now." You tell her. She swallows nervously, and places one hand upon her left breast, over heart.

"Please...please return Nee-chan..." She half whispers. There's a bright glow and suddenly a wounded Assassin is in Tomoko's lap. You let the scrying spell fade, and Tomoko stops looking into Caster's eyes and squeaks at the sight of Assassin, her face severely cut and one arm obviously broken. Tomoko's Servant is also bleeding profusely from two stab wounds in her gut and a multitude more small nicks and cuts. Archer and Saber pull Tomoko back and out of the way as you pick Assassin up and set her back down on the table. Caster moves to one side as you do so. Assassin manages to lock her gaze onto you and grabs your collar.

"Archer. I am the Bone of My Sword; Steel is My Body, Fire is my Blood. Multiple Phantasms. Multiple Swords. One Spear. One Bow. Poor Defense, overwhelming offense." She grits out before collapsing back onto the table. Her breathing is ragged and heavy, and your not entirely certain how to deal with this. Your medical skills are poor at best, and most of your spells deal with inorganic matter. If Tomoko could channel magic to Jack, this would be much easier. You might be able to rush her through enough basics, but it would be dangerous for both of them.

[]Give Tomoko a crash course in magi([DC50, possible side effects)
[]Try basic first aid(DC70)
[]Write in

Rolled 33

>>24347757
[X]Try basic first aid(DC70)

Send one of our quickest servants to get a mana generator. We need to stabilize her and the mana will help with that.

Rolled 44

>>24347757
>I am the Bone of My Sword; Steel is My Body, Fire is my Blood.
Fucking called it. If I'm right on the crest think too, we're going to be worse off than Assassin.
>[]Give Tomoko a crash course in magi([DC50, possible side effects)

Rolled 41

>>24347757
>[]Give Tomoko a crash course in magi([DC50, possible side effects)

AH SHIT
Hope you're a fast learner Tomoko, because I don't think my shitty first aid is gonna be enough.

Or WE could just do the mana transfer...

>>24347363
>>24347354
>>24347322
>>24347280
There's no point keeping the Meguca Army under wraps if we're going to keep throwing faux-servants at them. They already know that we've got minions, let's try to keep them guessing as to whether we can get new ones.

We should surreptitiously ask the Cubester if he could make a mahou shoujo out of Tomoko. Could make for a nifty little trump card in the case of Jack's death.

When possible, ask Cubes for some details regarding witchification. Can his summoned meguca go witch? If so, what does that do to their capabilities and drain on his prana? If he makes a new meguca, does it drain his prana, or does it function autonomously? Depending on previous answer, how does them going witch affect that?

If possible, could he rattle of a list of the more powerful megucas that he has access to and what their abilities are? I'm none to pleased that five threads in we still haven't checked all the cards in our opening hand.

>>24347757

Have Tomoko make a contract with satan-bei.

>the girl has more than enough issues to qualify. As an added bonus, when the wish bites back and kills her, no more assassin.

>>24347757
[]Write in

CASTER, YOUR ALIEN VOODOO GOT ANYTHING FOR THIS? Our alternatives are not promising.

>>24347757
BAsic First aid, have caster summon a whitemage girl, if he has any. also, grab our mana generators for the long term care.
Then, after Jack is back, it will be time for the talk

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Rolled 29

>>24347757
>[]Give Tomoko a crash course in magi([DC50, possible side effects)

Time to sink or swim, Spaghetti-Chan.

God... this has given me a whole new sympathy for poor Rin.

>>24347875

Would it be possible to use Assassin's wounds as leverage for this? If so, I am all for it.

Rolled 51

>>24347910
dammit missed my roll

Rolled 56

>>24347757
[X]Give Tomoko a crash course in magi([DC50, possible side effects)
She probably has high-level magic circus in exchange for inexperience!

Rolled 98

>>24347934
CIRCUTS

>>24347954
don't count that one.

Rolled 95

>>24347757
If no other options:
>[X]Give Tomoko a crash course in magi (DC50, possible side effects)

Really though, ask Caster if he or any of the meguca have healing capabilities. At the very least, I know Sayaka is good at healing herself due to her wish being focused on healing. She may be capable of transferring some of that over to Jack. If he can, Cubes could also try summoning a weaker meguca with healing capabilities that we would dismiss as soon as we're done with. With thousands of girls, at least a few have to know more than us about first aid.

>>24347804
>>24347838
>>24347844
>>24347922
>>24347933
Well. I hope it's best of 5 and vote changes towards crash course.
>>24347954
Two posts late to do ANYTHING.

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Rolled 67

>>24347757
[X]Give Tomoko a crash course in magi([DC50, possible side effects)

Dammit Assassin I'm a Magus, not a Doctor!

Rolled 17

>>24347980
Damn are you a good teacher.

Rolled 99

>>24347757
Crash course. I want to give her some form of "The Talk" and now is as good a time as any. C'mon dice, you've hated me so much so far. Reaffirm my faith in the Golden Throne!

>>24347980
This guy.

This guy right here.

Savin the goddamn day.

>>24348026
Thank you dice, my faith, it is reaffirmed. The Emperor protects!

>>24347875
>>24347924
We need to know more about the process before we give Cubes carte blanche to contract.

As soon as we aren't actively preoccupied, we need to ask Cubes to answer these (>>24347869).

>>24347997
In general, I'd like to avoid having to rely on dice rolls to affect the outcome. Leave as little to chance as possible.

>>24348083

True enough, but it feels like we are holding back on one of our most versatile tools here.

>>24347757
Say, how do rolls count in this situation anyway? Is it just first 5 rolls and whatever is voted for the most? Most votes and only the rolls for those votes? if it's the former, we're fucked with a 51. If the latter and Crash Course is winning, only >>24347838 >>24347844 >>24347922 >>24347934 and >>24347980 count and the last one saved our asses.

>>24347757
Also, this tells us quite a lot as we have researched the previous grail wars and the 5th has obstensively happened. We know of Rin, Shirou, and the rest in some form. If we know about that we know about GARcher, a girl being him is likely because we know of him and know that through the Kalidescope, all things are possible. Zel, we can deduce a bit about him given our own knowledge. Damn I wish we had a Kalidostick.

>>24348124
Oh, there will come a time to use Cubes to his full potential, but using his abilities without knowing what happens is like playing Russian roulette with a sentient pistol.

"Tomoko, you're going to need to provide mana for Jack to heal with. That means I'm giving you a crash course in magic." You say, suppressing the shaking in your voice. This is the first time you've felt like you've been in over your head. "Somewhere here I have a small bit of metal with some mana it to help awaken your circuits." You mumble, rifling through your pocket for your lucky coin.

~No need, Master. Tomoko, lick this.~ Caster orders, dipping his paw into Assassin's blood and holding it up for Tomoko. She looks at you questioningly and you look to Caster. ~Yours and Master's Origins and Elements are different, but you are in line with your Servant's. Blood and Shadow. Therefore it is safer for you to use your Servant's mana to activate your own circuits.~ Caster explains. That does make sense.

"Do it, Tomoko. You're going to feel some kind of sensation, possibly similar to what you felt when you used your Command Seal. I want you to focus on that. Then, push everything you can towards Assassin." You advise her. She nods shakily and leans down, licking the blood off of Caster's paw.

~Swallow.~ Caster commands. Tomoko does so nervously and there's a tense moment before suddenly, she screams in pain. The blood on the table in front of you rises and twists in response to Tomoko's scream, and Assassin's body jerks. Your vision swims before you and your view of the world dims. Behind Tomoko you can see Archer and Saber stagger and fall to the floor. There's a sudden slurch as the blood starts staggering back toward's Assassin's body and then, you feel pain blossoming on your chest as your skin peels open and blood starts to flow out a quick glance at Tomoko reveals blood working its way from out of her shirt and crawling towards Assassin. And it's the last thing you see before blacking out.

[1/2]

>It's the first five rolls paired with the vote, and the more successes the better you do. The fewer success, the worse you do. Its a sliding scale.

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You blink your eyes open wearily, your head pounding. You're face down on the table with Assassin sleeping softly on it. Caster is sitting nearby, watching vigilantly. Tomoko is by your side, collapsed next to you. Saber and Archer are in a heap by the bed, and there's a fair amount of blood staining the carpet around the small table. You push yourself up off the table with some difficulty, your vision slightly unsteady as you do so. Assassin seems fine, her formerly severe wounds are now filled with an inky blankness, the cuts sewn shut with thread made of the same material.

~Ah, Master. Good to see you awake again. It would appear our attempt to teach Tomoko to harness her natural abilities succeeded beyond expectations.~ Caster remarks as he pads over to you.

[]???

>>24348231
So, the first five rolls for anything, but the vote will determine what the rolls end up counting for?

We also need to ask Cubes for his name and a rundown on what his personal magical skills are. The fact that we don't know his name several days into the war is beyond retarded. The only reason Shirou didn't know is due his being a non-magus and Saber's paranoia.

>>24348318
take the rolls of the first five of the winning vote, is how it works.

>>24348290

"Let me guess, she ripped some of the blood out of our bodies to heal Assassin or something like that? Blood and Shadow indeed, holy shit. Everyone still alive?"

>>24348318
Yes. We need to ask about this.

>>24348290
"How much blood did I lose, and how long was I out?"

Rolled 40

>>24348290
lets clean stuff up, take care of the sisters, take care of our servants, then get out until the aftereffects of circuit overload are finished. i suggest dining at a coffee shop, then bringing back orange juice and donuts for when they wake up.

Then
We will have a nice talk

>>24348290

" Caster. This is going to be simple. Explain everything that just happened to me. Now."

>>24348365
This, pretty much. Make sure at least one of our Servants is on their feet before we leave, just in case our bad day somehow decides to get worse.

>>24348393
also this, but wait till we're not in the room with the possibly psychotic?

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>>24348231
>>24348290
>Blood and Shadow
I think you guys know what time it is...

>>24348290
>[X]??? Inquire for details regarding what just happened. Is anyone injured? What's up with the black stuff in Jack's wounds? Etc.
>Simultaneously, move Tomoko and the meguca onto couches or at least put cushions under their heads. Make sure to cover them with blankets. You may have lost blood, so (in-character knowledge providing), look for some iron-rich foods like spinach and make sure to drink more water. A lot of high schools in the US do blood drives, so it's quite likely that our character would know about what to do after giving blood.
>Ask other questions as soon as possible.

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>>24348290
"What do you mean Caster? Did we get her origin right or something?"

Origins matter a whole fucking lot in the nasuverse. It's WHAT you are, and that has serious fucking implications. Our origin is mind, that means that if the mind has any hope of comprehending it, we will. That is what mind does, understand, comprehend.

>>24348359
That is in line with our origin. It's logic through another means. We pretty much are Sherlock Holmes through our origin. We would ask that, because that literally is who we are. Or rather, what we are. We are mind, we are thus by extension thought. But it also means we feel, we do care. Mind does not exclude emotion, indeed, it demands it. A mind does feel, if only a little.

>>24348290

"SitRep, now. What the hell just happened, and is anyone injured?"

>>24348430
>>24347869
these pretty much, in that order.
in other words:
>[X] Infodump us

Just as a general rule of thumb for conversing with the Cubester, we should always revert to a private telepathic conversation when we're discussing anything sensitive. Details on the meguca's, their creation, etc. We should probably try to keep as much of our dialogue open to Jack and Tomoko as possible, to make us look more open and dispel any concerns that we're plotting something.

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You unsteadily push yourself to your feet, and try to start cleaning up the area.

~Master, please. Do not strain yourself. Saber and Archer are beginning to awaken, and they can deal with this.~ Caster advises you as you collapse onto your rear end.

"Caster...what happened here? Did we get something wrong with her Origin?" You mumble.

~Not quite, Master. I underestimate her connection to it and the quality and number of her magical circuits. I believe she has more circuits than you do, if of a moderate quality compared to the high quality of your own. I was expecting low quality, and few in number.~ Caster answered as Archer and Saber climbed to their feet and took a look around the room.

"Do you mind helping to clean up? And maybe getting some iron rich foods and some liquids? Sugars are good too." You tell the two pseudo servants. Archer nods, and leaves the room quickly while Saber sighs and begins to clean up around you, moving Assassin and Tomoko to the bed to start. "Thank you. Now, Caster, am I correct in my assumptions that she pulled blood out of us to heal Assassin with?" You ask. Caster nods.

~Yes. She also stole some of your mana, my mana, and our Servant's mana in doing so. She's very efficient at leeching the very life force of our being with her Origin, and in doing so she created a shadow of some of our own skills to appropriate as her own with her Element. Perhaps distorted from ours, but they worked. Assassin's wounds were healed through a combination of my own knowledge of anatomy and Saber's Battle Continuation skill, used with Saber's own mana even. She's has quite a potent combination of abilities there, especially if she can refine them.~ Caster explained.

"Alright. And how long were we out?" You ask.
[1/2]

>>24348758
Shit. That is a dangerous skill for her to have.

>>24348815

We really need to either make this alliance concrete, or start moving to get rid of her. She is far more dangerous than anticipated

>>24348835
We're going to sorely miss Jack against femArcher, so might as well start working towards solidifying our alliance. We'll also want a staunch ally around if things start going sideways with Cubes.

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~Three hours, ten minutes, thirty-two seconds. As well, you have lost more than twice the recommended amount of blood to offer for donation. Tomoko provided approximately the same amount. From myself, she mostly managed to pull some of my mana due to my body lacking blood, such as it were. From Archer and Saber, she pulled that which approximates blood from them and with it mana, but they are perfectly capable of ignoring such a complication until there mana is restored.~ Caster tells you. Well, you're not likely to do any patrolling tonight. You'll probably stay here and recover for a bit before heading home. About fifteen minutes later, Archer returns with armloads of food stuffs and juices. She gives you one of the jugs of orange juice and sets about cooking something in the small attached kitchenette in the next room over. Tomoko and Assassin begin to stir as she returns with some kind of casserole. Saber and Archer help the two to the table, and you have a quiet meal, taking some time to explain to Tomoko to be careful until she's feeling better and warning Assassin to stick by her Master's side and not to take reckless risks like that again. With that said, after the dinner you leave, doing your best to ignore the way your vision occasionally swims in front of you. When you finally arrive home in the whee hours of the morning, you find yourself faced with a rather annoying complication. Your car has been chopped to pieces, and almost everything in your apartment is wrecked. Your weapons are gone, so are your generators, and your familiar. You let out a defeated sigh, about to write everything off as a loss when a piece of debris shifts and your familiar crawls out of its hiding spice, several of your materials and your best two mana generators being dragged behind it. It looks up at you as if expecting something.

[]???

>>24348899

Then, as I have in the past, I advocate emotional manipulation. Tomoko is fragile and lonely, we can prey on that with simple compliments and light flirtation.

>>24348903
Fuck.
I guess we're gonna have to live with Tomoko?

>>24348903
We will make food, eat, recover, When she wakes up, we chastise jack for how reckless it was to attack during daylight, how terrible it would've been for Tomoko if she had died. full on guilt trip.
Then When tomoko wakes up, we will make sure she's alright, then we will tell her that she can consider herself apprenticed to us for the duration of the war in interest of not letting her kill herself or someone she cares about with magic, and in interest in us not getting killed by her magic.
We will then spend every one of her waking seconds teaching her control, finesse, and how to into magic

>>24348903
>[]???

Give our golem a pat on the head.

...And call Tomoko. Its that or a hotel.

>>24349012

I can go with this. Will cement the alliance neatly, which is necessary if we are not simply going to off both of them.

>>24348903
also congratulate the familiar, and fix it when we have the time.
>>24349040
why the hell would we off the closest thing to a mage killer we have?

>>24348927
Our boy has shit for personal skills. I'm doubtful of our ability to falsely flirt with Tomoko without either failing or making Jack get suspicious (and therefore stabby). Let's just go for a more honest courting.

>>24348903
>Given the period of time that passed, we should've had an opportunity to start probing Cubes for some of the information that we need.
>Compliment the familiar for a job well done. It obviously has some sort of sentience.
>Retrieve the materials, have Cubes alert Mami, and Jack and Tomoko by extension of the break-in, immediately have Cubes check for nearby presences. It could be a trap, so tell him that it's okay if he actively scans for enemies.
We'll probably want to hole up with Tomoko for the time being. If they know where we were, they probably know about her. At least get to her place for the night, or get there and relocate to somewhere else.
>Contact Rook and Monster with the phone, let them know.

>>24349056

I agree, we should not, but our two options knowing the threat she poses are destroy her or permanent alliance.

>>24348903
Well, our place is no longer safe. Assassin was fighting Archer, so Archer didn't do this. We havn't met Rider, Lancer, or Berserker (one of which was replaced by Monster). Saber probably did this, he and Archer should be our priorities.

Until then, I'm split between just crashing at our apartment out of exaustion and possibly get ambushed, or walk back to Tomoko's and potentially lead our enemies there.

>>24349068

Honest courting has the same effect, so I will not argue if that is the path we go down.

>>24349068
Don't tell Jack and Monster about the familiar. It's possible that they were responsible.

>>24348758
Did we have our parameters debuffed from having blood leeched from everyone?

We should uh, probably make this alliance concrete, Jack with Battle Continuation could be pretty brutal

when was QB an expect on human anatomy anyway?

>>24349127
*expert

damn phone

>>24348903
Pat its head. Then ask for a report.

>>24349160
Is the familiar capable of reporting? If so, definitely ask. A cursory inspection of the area would also be nice, but we need to hightail it out of there.

>>24348903
So we lost our guns and most of our generators. Great, fucking great. We needed those. Guns I mean, generators too. Can't go Kerry mode if we have no firearms. Can't go magus mode without generators to fuel a third psuedo-servant. I really, really counted on those being the case. Fuck!

We're pretty much boned people. Romance Tomoko hard, get some guns with our meager funds ASAP. Gun show, please tell me there's a gun show soon. We at least need a Saturday Night Special to come out of this alive...

>>24349278
I was thinking more like a playback of the events that occurred. We can share its vision, so it might work like a security camera.

>>24349307

Guns are not hard to get, so thats not too bad.

>>24349307
you greatly underestimate our abillity.
it is not guns or magic that decides the war, but the mind and resilience of the magus

"Good job." You say, patting its head in congratulations before taking the two generators from it. It shivers slightly at your touch before leaping to hide in you shadow. With a sigh, you pull your phone out and dial Tomoko up. On the third ring she finally answers.

"Nicolas?" She mumbles.

"I...have a problem. I'm going to need to crash at your place for now." You tell her. You hear Assassin grumbling something in the background for a moment.

"Kay. Nee-chan will let you in when you get here." She mumbles before suddenly hanging up. She's still pretty out of it from her first attempt at magic.

"Come on, Master." Archer says, guiding you away from your wrecked apartment leading you back towards the school. Eventually, you get back to Tomoko's dorm room, ignoring the occasional questioning glances of people looking at you. Just as you prepare to knock on the door, it opens and Assassin pulls you in. She points you to a small futon on the floor across the room from Tomoko's bed which you gladly take. Your familiar buries itself in a nearby closet, and your Servants step outside with Assassin to discuss matters in hushed tones. You, on the other hand, pass out the moment your head hits the pillow.

----

Later that night, you're sitting at the table with Tomoko and the Servants, eating another of Archer's prepared meals. Tomoko still looks a little under the weather, but you're feeling quite better. You think you'll...

[]Have everyone stay in, deal with teaching Tomoko a few things tonight
[]Go out. Best to keep active in the War
[]Send out a Servant, stay in teach Tomoko
[]Everyone stays, work on setting up some better defense
-[]Stealth doesn't work, go for pure defense
-[]The best defense is the on that smacks back
-[]Give stealth another go
[]Move to a new base of operations
-[]Where?

>>24349307
The guns were worthless. Won't do anything to a servant, we don't know how to use them, and they'd only encourage stupid heroics.
>>24349371
Has the right of it.
>>24349324
I don't know if familiars can do that. Kerry and Maiya had to strap cameras to their bats. At the very least, we should be able to communicate with the familiar at a basic level (writing, nodding, etc) to figure out which servant did this.

>>24349367
Since we are in "Murrica" you are right Kirei. The real question is funds. We don't have them. Costs at least 300 to get a good pistol and that whole waiting period... Now there are Shottys and Rifles we can grab right away for that price, but it'll take a bit of searching.

>>24349371
Not entirely true. Brute force, if it ain't working you just ain't using enough.

>>24349408
[]Have everyone stay in, deal with teaching Tomoko a few things tonight

If she is going to be our ally, she must be competent, especially considering her untrained potential. She may kill us inadvertently if left alone.

Throw her a compliment or too, she did offer us her home.

>>24349408
[X]Move to a new base of operations
-[X] Find an unused home and break in.

>>24349437

We were going to make an assassination golem with them, which would be very effective.

>>24349408
[X]Have everyone stay in, deal with teaching Tomoko a few things tonight
She's got a valuable ability that she cannot control. It would be best for everyone if she learned to use it, and it would help to build trust.
Maybe afterwards, we can have a little chat with QB on his attributes and the Megucas.

>[]Have everyone stay in, deal with teaching Tomoko a few things tonight
Well, her circuits are certainly open now. We need to make sure that if shit goes down, she doesn't accidentally KO the entire room when she tries to help.


>>24349437
>The guns were worthless.
Are you saying that building a magical Iron Man golem bristling with guns to throw at enemy Masters is worthless? Because I think you underestimate just how much shenanigans the Metal element lets you get up to.

>>24349458
You and I Kotomine, I keep saying we think similarly for a reason. Tomoko MUST learn of magecraft if she hopes to survive. We, as a magus, are the perfect person to teach her. We are the Rin to her Shirou, we will show her the path. We will open her circuits, and she will be grateful. Her origin is either "Blood" or "Death", best to have such types on our side. If she gets MEoDP or "Blood-bending" I'll be damn glad she's on our side.

>>24349539
Ya got it. Guns, they work. Our heavy metal death machine comes face to face with an enemy master? He's fucked, lets see if his prana supply outlast our multiple clips of .306 ammo. Protip: They won't. We got him!

I was looking at the Status sheet and was curious about Origin and Element
Can those be briefly elaborated on to me without interrupting you?
I'm especially interested in lists of all the possibilities for those, if that won't interfere with your story.

>>24349408
Stay, teach.
She is currently a danger to herself and the world.
fixing this is top priority. also tomokomentorpoints

>>24349643
Think of "origins" as Platonic "Forms". If you have X origin, you ARE said origin given physical form. You can't deny it, you can't rebel against it. You ARE X, period. No matter how much you hate to betray people, for example, if your origin is "Betrayal" you WILL do it, period. It is your origin, you will live up to it, no matter what. Because that is what you are, and you cannot deny the root of thine own existence...

>>24349610
enemy master will have enemy servant with them because we have the two indirect servants on our side.
Servant looks funny at the golem,
golem dies.

I know I'm outvoted at this stage, but I'll throw this out here anyway. >>24349408
>[]Move to a new base of operations
>-[]Leyline where Monster was summoned.

I'd rather we bunker down where we can get access to a lot of prana to support Caster and go full Army of the King. Plus, bunkering down at dorms isn't a good idea in my book. Too many people that could get involved, and Tomoko could make unreasonable demands to expend resources to keep them safe if an enemy attacks.

On the way there, have caster explain EVERYTHING about the megucas, how they turn into witches, what Caster gains out of it, weak points (SOULGEM), etc.

Ask Rook and Monster if we can bunker down if they're there. If they say no, offer to grant Monster's wish, and when the Soul Gem is formed, have Caster destroy it to rid ourselves of Monster, or allow Monster to live for now and have Archer snipe the Soul Gem at a later date.

After we've bunkered down, make an offer to Tomoko and Assassin asking them to come with us, where we can teach Tomoko in safety.

>>24349408
>[X]Everyone stays, work on setting up some better defense
There's a good chance that the enemy knows about this location. Tomorrow, we move locations during the day. Might look into shacking up with Rook and Monster. As soon as we get the details on making new meguca's, we might want to go ahead and turn Monster.
>-[X]Have Cubes do it, focus on detection.
>[X]Have everyone stay in, deal with teaching Tomoko a few things tonight
>-[X]Begin the romancing.
Need to build rapport.

>>24349475
>>24349539
Yeah, I'm saying the combat golem is probably a stupid idea. If we want to gank masters, we'd be better off just using the actual Assassin, or having Cubes bring in another meguca on a temporary basis. Hell, it's not like we even had all that formidable of an arsenal in the first place. Instead of making an iron man golem, we'd be better off making large numbers of mobile, magical IED's.

>>24349520
>>24349546
While the odds of us getting anything noteworthy out of developing her magic are slim, we might as well teach her a bit.

We really, really need to get information out of Cubes.

>>24349755

Iron Man I agree with, but a strealth golem with a rifle built in could have a lot of uses.

>>24349643

An Element is basically a specialization, and an Origin is specialty that someone is born with.
Here's some more reading on the subject:
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Magecraft#Origin
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Elements

>>24349746
Servants can be kept busy fighting other Servants. Of fucking course we wouldn't just send a golem to tangle with a Servant. Use your damn head.

A bullet-spewing deathbot is just as good a way to deal with a Master as any. Not every Magus just carries around a Mystic Code capable of blocking automatic gunfire.

>>24349751
Actually, being in the dorms might offer us protection for at least a while. It'll be difficult for the knight classes to attack without generating the kind of ruckus that gets the church involved. We don't want to stay here, but I think waiting until we're a bit more rested is more prudent than rushing out right now. We should take Tomoko with us regardless of what we try to do. We're with her for better or ill at this point.

>>24349643
Think of our origin as the element that we are defined as. If our soul was derived down to the smallest, most basic unit possible, it would have the identity of "mind"

Our element is basically what we are able to manipulate. In our case, we can manipulate metal. Nifty for crafting golems and the like, and we might have been able to make a useful Mystic Code out one of the guns.

>>24349766
You need skill to use a rifle with any efficacy. We don't have that skill.

>>24349868

What part of Golem can you not fucking read. Its a golem, we'll make it it's arm or something.

Our entire philosophy is mundane melded with magical, this is something we would do.

>>24349800
We'd need to know where the master is and infiltrate with the deathbot. Disposable bomb-bots would work better in any case.

>>24349736
>>24349772
>>24349841
Thanks

>>24349896
Okay, it has a rifle for an arm. We still don't have a way of making it shoot worth a damn. We know nothing about marksmanship, and, even if we did, do we even know if we can program the bot to use the rifle well?

>>24349841
True, I guess this is another one of my plans that will have to be filed away for a later date. As for Tomoko, I know we're with her to the end, I just thought it would have been better to deal with Monster out of her sight and then have her come, rather than flip out at us for potentially going Urobutcher on Monster.

>>24349923

Magic. We make it magic. Because its a golem, and golems are our thing, I think its in our fucking ability to make it able to aim its arms at things and discharge a firearm.

Do you hate guns? Have you never seen/read Fate Zero?

>>24349924
We don't really know if contracting her would cause an Urobutcher situation. Right know, we know next to nothing about how Cubes powers work. Hell, if he's from the post-Godoka universe, we don't even have to worry about witches. In any case, I'd prefer to avoid leaving Tomoko alone in a location where the enemy has a good probability of knowing about. Jack might not be back up to full combat efficacy for a while, and she's not that good in a stand-up fight regardless.

>>24349923
Thats what the MAGIC is for. It doesn't need to be a skilled marksman if the damn gun and/or bullets are enchanted to be able to hit stuff.

>>24349953
It can't be as simple as "magic." If we could craft a golem and then magically give it expert marksmanship, we could've made a golem and given it expert crafting skills. Boom, we now have an automated golem factory. Then we make a medic golem.

I like guns, but Nicolas doesn't know how to use them. We should devote our time and resources to more fruitful endeavors. If we're really so set on making weaponized golems, we'd be better off using ones that don't require any degree of skill to use (ie pipe bombs with legs).

>>24350061

You are ridiculous. The bomb is a decent idea, but so are the guns. We don't know shit about explosives either, do you think the golem will blow up in our face?

>>24350008
Indeed. Assassin can't win for shit unless certain conditions are met, same with caster. Both of us are fucked if we aren't in control of the situation. If we do control the situation however, it is the OTHER fucker who is well and truly fucked. Our servants are heavily reliant on plotting. We must plot, we must plan, we must lure the enemy into a situation where we have the advantage. We win if thhat is the case, if not, we lose. Period. Remember that. Information and control, we live and die based on that.

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>>24350061
funny you should mention that... the golem making golem thing... i was thinking about suggesting something of the sort

>>24350081
It's not difficult to find guides on basic explosives online. The bot doesn't need any sort of complex skills to get close and pull a pin. It takes hours upon hours upon hours to become an expert marksman.

>>24350114

Its a golem. I think we could give it the ability to aim. Your belief that we cannot is entirely arbitrary, and based on nothing other than your own preference for explosives.

>>24350061
>then magically give it expert marksmanship
Because we wouldn't be doing that.

We'd be giving it a small mana battery, and probably enchanting the gun to "hit the person its pointed at" or something like that. Golem expends mana to activate the Mystic Code, pulls trigger, bullet flies on target.

We wouldn't be giving the golem skills or knowledge, because that would be impossible. We would give it an enchanted item that causes a specific effect when activated.

You decide it's best to play it safe, and stay in for tonight. Even though you're feeling better, you're not certain it would be a good idea to risk it. "Tomoko, I would like to take some time to teach you about magic and your abilities in particular." You tell her.

"Kay. Hope you don't want me to do anything tonight..." She mumbled tiredly.

"No, not tonight. I think, first, we'll talk about Magic circuits, Origins, and Elements." You tell her. She nods, and you begin your explanation, "MAgic Circuits are your ability to channel mana. Their number and quality determine the amount of mana you can use at once and with what skill you can use it. The problem is the body was not meant to channel mana, so we need to reflect the circuits in your soul to your body. Once this is done, you can channel mana of your own and cast spells. But, the spells you can cast may be limited, due to your Origin and your Element. Your Origin is a reflection of who you are, and its very essence permeates you and lets manipulate in very unusual ways. It connects with you and you connect with it in still somewhat mystifying ways. It often determines how your spells are cast. Now, your Element determines the types of spells you can cast. Someone with a Fire element is very good with fire spells, and might be able to learn some others, but it is only with a lot of extra work."

"So...what are mine?" She asks you.

~Your Origin is Blood, your Element is Shadow. You connect to people's very life essence, and you can shadow their traits and skills.~ Caster explained.

"...How?" Tomoko asks.

~I am not entirely certain, but it is how you healed Assassin. I recognized some of the skills as my own, if twisted and warped.~ Caster explained.

"I see...so I can Megaman other people's powers?" Tomoko asked. It takes you a moment to place the reference, but when you do you nod.

>>24350114
A point I made in a previous thread. I cannot post the PDF's due to reasons, but they are out there if you know where to look and care not for the bans and watchlists you'll end up on for doing so.

The info, it's out there. Seek and ye shall find...

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>>24350144
>She can megaman powers

This broad isn't as useless as I thought. We can win this guys. We have femAdam, now if our origin allows us to channel Sherlock Holmes we're fucking golden!

"Something to that effect. This is why you shoould learn to harness your abilities. They are increcibly useful and powerful." You tell her. Assassin nods in agreement. You spend some more of the night explaining some of the intricacies of her Magic circuits and the like to Tomoko and how to activate and deactivate them at will. You both go to bed in the early morning, because you plan to...

[]Rest for the day, get stuff done at night
[]Get up early

and

[]Set up a new base of operations
-[]Abandoned warehouse
-[]Abandoned home
-[]With Rook and Monster
[]Defend this area
-[]subtly
-[]Openly

>>24350127
I prefer the explosives because they're feasible, but I'd rather not fool around with weaponized golems in the first place. At least not while we have more pressing concerns (cementing our alliance with Tomoko, contacting Rook, securing a new base, locating/constructing a new prana supply, figuring out what Cubes is and what he can actually do). Ignoring all of that and thinking we can make robo-Kerry is a terrible idea.

We had those guns for days, and they didn't do anything. Then, the enemy destroys our base almost all of our materials, demonstrating that they've been investigating us and they quite possibly know about our current location, and some people's first reaction is to worry about the guns.

>>24350132
It can't be that simple. How many ranged Noble Phantasms have had a property like that? I think Gay Bulge might be the closest. If it was that simple, why didn't Archer make a modification like that to some of his fakes for ranged use?

If it is that simple, than the Myr factory is a higher priority than playing with guns.

>>24350226
[]Rest for the day, get stuff done at night

[]Defend this area
-[]subtly


Fact is, we need to be cautious right now.

>>24350264
I agree with this.

>>24350226
>[]Rest for the day, get stuff done at night
>[]Set up a new base of operations
>-[]With Rook and Monster
>--Going by >>24349751 as a vague plan, except Tomoko is coming with us, and we will question coobie mentally.

>>24350226
So, are you ever going to let us get the info out of Cubes?

>[X]Get up mid-day.
and
>[X]Set up a new base of operations
>-[X]With Rook and Monster
We need to let them know that our place got hit hard, and there's a good chance they know about his place too. The leyline will give access to the prana to either start looking at more aggressive meguca or golem operations.

>>24350226
[X]Get up early

and

[X]Defend this area
-[X]Openly

A school dorm gives us some natural cover, because the less-subtle Servants can't just bust in here and start a fight without catching a bunch of civilians in the crossfire, and the Church doesn't take kindly to that.

Whoever trashed our house probably already knows we're here, so we may as well go full Helm's Deep on their ass rather than trying to be subtle for no reason.

>>24350271
>>24350264
Are we sure we can defeat Saber and Archer in a straight-up fight? They found our last hiding place, there's a good chance they can find this one. Shit, we've actually been sending servants out grocery shopping from here.

>>24350226
Rise early and consolidate, warn Rook of possible berserker style servant, suggest he assist us and our apprentice set up a stable base of operations and retreat point. his servant can set up a ton of traps to ward away enemies, once we get him started on that, rest, talk to kyubei about stuff, then set up wards around our dorm. when tomoko wakes up continue training.

>>24350235
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocLmKWaK5HE

You are right in that we need a new base. Coobie should turtle it HARD given how that didn't trip our sensors. They brute forced through our stealth prep like it was nothing. NOPE! Not making that mistake again. Homu had a base, and now? Yeah, logical we have one too. We are still allied with Monster as of now, we can now TRIPLE turtle a location. Our contermeasures, coobie's countermeasures, and Monster's. We have the tech to make their dream come true without the grail. Inform them of that and they will help. They need us alive, only we can make Prana Generators as of yet, and we ain't gonna tell them how because we know how to look out for number 1! That is, ourselves.

>>24350307
Damn right. The Church. If we can trick Ciel into killing an enemy Master/Servant combo it's one hell of a victory. Say what you will of the Vatican, they do have their uses...

>>24350331
We can and will pray for church intervention. They get too gung ho about this war and they will get a visit from a person with a Conceptual Weapon. They'll learn how hard those hit the hard way. Even if we die, we drag them along with us thanks to "The Holy Church". A "Good" bad end as it were.

>>24350307
The dorm will protect us for a short while, but hiding in a hotel didn't help Kayneth at all. Frankly, we aren't even Kayneth tier as far as magic goes, so trying to emulate him is a bad, bad idea. We should at least sleep in a bit. We had a rough day previously, and a late night. Things might not be getting better any time soon, so we should get some shut-eye while we can.

>>24350235
It doesn't need to be anywhere as complex or powerful as Gay Bulge. It just has to be powerful enough to modify the trajectory so that the bullet gets from Point A to Point B without provided its pointed in the right direction.The enchantment I'm talking about would just have to nudge the bullet a few degrees in flight and let physics do the rest. It wouldn't make it suddenly able to turn corner or bypass magical protection or any of that shit, all it would do is make the bullet fly straight.

>>24350331
You have a point, but in order for us to get back on track again, we need to reassess what we have. We can train with Tomoko, ask QB about his abilities and when that is over, we can claim another base of operations. It's only for a day.

>>24350375
Most magi don't think like Kerry. Kerry was pretty much his natural enemy. He won because of that. Don't forget, magi and tech don't mix well in the nasuverse.

>>24350368
Given what we might end up doing with Cubes meguca-creation powers, I'd prefer if we didn't get the church involved. Let the threat of their involvement keep the knights from getting too ornery.

>>24350424
Witchpocalypse is the last thing I want to happen. Believe me because I know about the church. So long as we don't cause that we're safe from their wrath. Other people may not be. It is best we direct their wrath towards our enemies. They'll kill them dead, which only helps us in the long run.

>>24350393
Yes, but if it was so simple, why wouldn't Archer have just thrown it onto his modified Caladbolgs? Even if it is that simple, gunplay is not even close to the top of our priorities.

>>24350399
Talking to Cubes won't take a day. Hell, it shouldn't take more than an hour to get the information that we've been asking for all thread. Training Tomoko is unlikely to yield significant fruits in a day, if it even can at all. Saber and Archer might know where we are right now, and we should act accordingly.

>>24350414
Archer is a crafty bastard.

All he has to do is find some way of evacuating the building. Say, by lighting a fire. Then he either goes in and UBW's us while the building's empty, or he and Saber tag-team us when we're forced to flee the dorm in the middle of the night.

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>>24350375
Why WOULD anyone want to emulate him?

>>24350485
How exactly are they going to incur the church's wrath? The knights aren't going to start causing the whole-sale slaughter necessary to provoke a reaction. Shit, if they do, there will be a good chance of us dying before they church can intervene.

>>24350561
I have no idea, yet more than one person thinks that trying to fortify a single-dorm room is a good idea. This is after our last magical fort was completely demolished, mind you.

>>24350519
We'll know about that due to our research into previous Grail Wars. A fire alarm goes off? We know what comes next and we clear out before it happens. We know about Kerry, we know how a fucker like that works. We won't play into his hands.

>>24350564
Like I said, worst case scenario, we take them with us. I'm not about to die alone, if I go down I'm taking the fucker responsible with me somehow!

>>24350519
>why wouldn't Archer have just thrown it onto his modified Caladbolgs?

Because he had the skill to hit stuff without using valuable mana on a redundant enchantment.
It IS that simple. Its just like programming a computer to hit targets by using a laser designator. Its the same damn thing.

>>24350614
...do you have any idea how difficult it is to program a computer to do anything?

Archer was missing our Assassin just a few days ago. Obviously natural skill wasn't enough. Too bad he couldn't easily enchant the arrows to home in on the target.

>>24350585
If we flee after the fire alarm, then we're more than likely running out into a trap. More than anything else, we don't want to be forced to react to what other people are doing. Staying in Tomoko's dorm is more than likely going to result in just that.

>>24350681
I swear you aren't even listening to what I'm saying.

That, or you just don't fucking get how MAGIC works.

Of course its hard to program a computer to do that, which is why we would use MAGIC. I'm not saying we would suddenly create magical homing bullets, I'm saying that the bullet would hit the point it was fired at. ITS NOT FUCKING HARD TO USE MAGIC TO MAKE A TINY PIECE OF METAL FLY IN A GODDAMN STRAIGHT LINE HOLY SHIT.

Bah. Having some issues with posting to 4chan right now, my stuff is freaking out on long posts. I might need to call this here, tonight. I can stick around answer a few small things if people have questions.

If someone else could archive the thread tonight, I'm in an area where my Internet is iffy, and i'm having some trouble connecting to sup/tg/.

>>24350746

Good thread anyway, see you next time.

>>24350725
If it's not hard, then why hasn't it been done before? If it's so easy, why wouldn't a Heroic Spirit known for tinkering and magic use it?

Shit, if it's so easy, why do we even need the golem? We should just be going around with an old .22 pulling off three-sixty no-scope headshots on all the enemy masters.

>>24350681
But are they smart enough for that? Again, I must remind you that Kerry is the EXCEPTION to the rule. Magi are just like other people, they don't really think all that hard. Because using that God given gift is HARD. Most people hate hard things. I don't, but that is again, an exception.

They likely won't think to trap the exits, or at least, not all the exits. Coobie can probably port us, they aren't going to think of that because they don't watch anime. So they know shit about Coobie. So we port out, and they think they got us. As we don't have Zero Lancer, thus, they don't have a way to be sure if they killed us or not. They think we're dead, we ain't, that's a HUGE advantage if you know how to play it.

>>24350769
I can do it.
>>24350746
Can you prepare the answers to the previous queries about Cubes capabilities? Posting them to the Google doc and just throwing in a line about us asking in the next quest opening would work.

Also some clarifications about the limits of our golem crafting abilities would be nice.

>>24350803
Because Magi almost NEVER use guns?
Because the few that DO probably didn't have an Origin and Element perfectly suited to this shit?

Because, again, a Servant doesn't NEED an enchantment to make their projectiles fly from Point A to Point B reliably?

This isn't something physically impossible. What I'm suggesting could be replicated with nothing but normal, mundane human skill. But we don't have that skill, so we let magic do the work.

This really isn't hard to understand. I don't get what your problem is.

>>24350746
Might want to update Monster's info. I think we know a bit more about her than what's currently listed.

>>24350836
Your folem crafting limits are pretty much limited by your materials. You're fairly certain you could easily make what some people would call mini mechs with them, if given enought ime and resources. As for Kyubei info, I will add some of it and add a small line about you and Caster talking probably. Not to say he'll spill everything, but...you might get some useful info out of him yet.

>>24350807
Are they smart enough to ambush us when we flee? I'm willing to go out on a limb and say yes. They won't just light the building on fire, not see us come out, and assume that we're dead. (Are we even sure that Cubes can teleport us?)

If they know where we are, which they probably do or will soon, they won't just say "Well, there's civilians around, guess we have to leave them alone." One way or another, they will attack us. If we have to get attacked, might as well do it where we can get assistance from Monster and Rook and use our own powers to their full extent. Not to mention the benefit of camping out on the leyline.

>>24350746
Keep trying dude. Maybe restart the comp. I get "Connection Error" quite frequently. Persistence, and a restart when things get really annoying, seem to conquer it more often than not. Would love to get one last update, just to see how fucked we are.

I'm here because I figure we're fucked. I want to see if we can avoid that somehow. I love me my train wrecks after all...

>>24350937
Not disagreeing with you. They likely will be counting on us to flee somehow, but they don't know how and are unlikely to see all potential possibilities. People, even magi, are limited in their thinking. If we get outside their box we win.

And I already reccomended we get Monster involved. A trap based servant is very helpful in turtling any given location. Like I said, our options involve a triple turtle. They have to get past all 3, and we already have assassin on our side so it ain't bloody likely they'll get through them all undetected.

>>24350894
Updated with stuff I can remember you finding out about. might need to pore over the archives tomorrow or sometime this week aaand check my notes to make sure of anything else.

>>24351011
this has been a semipersistent problem on this machine. i've been working on fixing it, hopefully should have a solution in the next day or so

>>24351031
>Master: ???
>Sex: ???
I think we already know these at least.

>byound established
Hmmm... good point Captcha. What do we know about Monster beyond what's already been established IC? Anyone guessed her name? We know she's not a touhou at least.

>>24351064
Hope so. Again, I love me my train wrecks, and this is shaping up to be one hell of a wreck. I mean, Coobie, as our servant. And all that has happened so far?

Yep, we're fucked, hard. But are we? If we play it all right we just might get a good ending. But only if we can play it right, otherwise we're fucked. I love stories like that. MC won because he was smart and did the "right" thing at the right time. The deck was stacked, the table was tilted, the game was rigged... And. He. Still. WON! Love that. Fucking love that.

Here's the archive:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=A%20Grail%20War%20in%20Reflection


>>24350918
If he holds back, I'm willing to force a command seal to compel him to tell us. Holding back will actively hurt our chances of winning the grail. On the other hand, it might be useful for Nicolas to start getting a healthy distrust for the little monster.

>>24350891
Archer obviously couldn't hit a target, so if homing magic was so easy, she would've employed it. Ignoring that and claiming that servants always hit their target is just weird.

I'm off for the evening.

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GUYS, I JUST NOTICED SOMETHING!

Unlike the other pseudo-Servants thus far, Mami has a Noble Phantasm stat! Sure its only C, but she fucking has one!

>>24351185
TRIO! FINALE!

Eat it fuckers. We have big guns, big guns will wreck your shit!

>>24351121
>so if homing magic was so easy

Its NOT FUCKING HOMING MAGIC YOU TARD.
Its to make the bullet fly in a STRAIGHT GODDAMN LINE TOWARDS THE POINT YOU WANT TO HIT. It won't make it harder to dodge or block, but if the target doesn't get out of the goddamn way they're going to be hit.

Archer missed because Assassin moved out of the fucking way. If the target was stationary, Archer wouldn't have fucking missed.

>>24351185
Hey, like someone said earlier in the thread, Kyubey's starting to pull out the big guns.

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>>24351222
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MaQ6m6mho8

Forgot to add her theme. We have Mami, we can hit hard if we want. Her only mistake was thinking that one witch had only one life.

>>24351248
That was me. Coobie is done fucking around. I suggest we don't grant any wishes because that will determine Homu Homu's willingness to help us. We stay full paragon? She'll help. We cave in to coobie? He won't ever summon her because she'll fucking kill us!

She can beat servants because of Time Stop broken power. I want that option. So please people, resist the urge to REJOICE! and be nice. Our best and most powerful meguca's loyalty depends on it.

>>24351101
derp. didn;t even notice that part.

>Tomoko learns magic, and heals Assassin by taking everyone's bodily fluids at once.

Whoever archived this, you're a glorious bastard.
Anyone familiar with the Fate is going to take that MASSIVELY out of context.

>>24351563
There are two bodily fluids that conduct Prana efficiently, Cum and Blood. Her origin is blood, so she took a donation from everyone present.

We'll give her a proper "transfer" later, for now, all we did was lose a pint or two. Think man.

>>24351563
Thank you, I do have my moments, as infrequent as they may be.

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>>24350918
Then our course of action is clear. Mechs, we must build mechs. Get enough generators for Kyubey to summon another assassin without draining him too much and steal all the shit we can! SCIENCE can beat a servant!

Mechs man, mechs are good. I will have a fucking Gear by the end of this if I can help it!

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>>24351711
Actually, I'd say powered armor is better.
Pic related.
It's smaller than a mech and makes us less of a fuckhuge target.
Remember, Servants work at insane speeds. Utilizing a fuckhuge combatant is a bad idea.

>>24354338
A good point. Yes, we should go Iron Man/Space Marine on this. Sorry, I just love me my mechs. We couldn't make something as broken as Xenogear anyway.

For next thread I suggest we contact Rook and Monster and ask for that leyline as a base which we will turtle the fuck out of. Doesn't even have to be obvious Kayneth style Atelier as just having it gives us the ability to summon another meguca without draining Coobie. 3 megucas can take an enemy servant methinks. That in itself is a good turtle.

Convince them that the tech route is the best option and that they need us alive for it to work. That gets us monster as our bodyguard and she can take a Knight class given her stat sheet. She's like an Uber Assassin, that can win.

Need also grill Coobie asap, he can get past Information Erasure due to godly Mental Pollution. He'll give us the last pieces of info to figure out Tomoko's got Jack as her servant. Need also get his name too, it's about time we learn who our "ally" is.

>>24355840
So we are going for project: Tony Stark?
Will we equip our Megucas with gadgets?
I think Homura would be the best Meguca for us to have.

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>>24356346
She is indeed, but her loyalty has conditions. I said not to let Coobie grant wishes because, in the event she discovers that he has and we allowed it, We get to be like Kyubey in the pic. She gives zero fucks. She finds out we let Cubes start screwing over other girls she'll end us because that ends QB.

We only get to use Homu if we go full paragon route on this. Think of it as a reward for being a good guy. A very, very powerful reward.

>>24356403
That depends.
Keep in mind that Homura doesn't hate QB. She came to terms with the fact that he's entirely amoral and had no issues with him after the reformat.

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>>24356423
But the servant dream indicates he comes from the original Madokaverse, not the Madokami one. This is both good and bad. Good, because that means Homura has time stop, which is all kinds of broken. Bad, because that means any wishes mean witches. Homu was cool with QB after Madokami because yes, he is amoral, but now the girls aren't totally and completely FUCKED if they contract with him.

Before that? Hate, so much hate. But after Madokami? He's a dick, I can deal with dicks.

Believe me, if she had a way to truly kill Coobie she'd have done it yesterday! And what do ya know, in this world, she does. How? Kill. US! Thus, we're fucked if she finds out we made megucas with him.

I'm all for a good REJOICE!, but Homu Homu is our best bet for winning the war. I want her on our side if push comes to shove. That means no rejoicing. She's a one woman army, let's see any servant survive 30 pipe bombs instantly laid at their feet.

>>24356490
>Before that? Hate, so much hate. But after Madokami? He's a dick, I can deal with dicks.
>Believe me, if she had a way to truly kill Coobie she'd have done it yesterday!
You misunderstand.
She sees him as an obstacle. But she doesn't hate him because she knows his reasons. Look at her interactions with the fucker - She's absolutely fine as long as he isn't trying to pull any shit.

Anyway, this QB actually came from *both* timelines. When we asked him about the wish mechanics he talked about the diverging systems due to the rewrite.
He's atemporal, just like original Archer.