>>24127024
enchant it to know the softness that each person in it wants.

>>24127024
Get the pets and show them their new bed.

>>24127024
Show the pets

>>24127024
Show the pets their new bed.
>>24127048
We just made it so there's a base firm mattress and lots of cushions so they can get comfy pretty easily.

Do that maid thingy people want, then show the meals the bed.

>>24127048
That would require a permanent Enchantment effect, a permanent Alchemy effect, and a power source. That's a retarded waste of time and effort. The only reason doing that for Liz's collar was worth it is because we're in love with her and it's a supremely important symbol of that.

>>24127085
I thought we wanted to wait until Monday evening with that.
But we could do it now unless someone comes up with something more important

>>24127073
this

>>24127024
make it a magic bed try that thing we did with Liz's Collar but soft/firm instead of shape. then we bind an elemental into for power, lunch can keep it powered.

>>24127099
Your an ass. We are nice to our pets.

>>24127138
See:
>>24127099

>>24127117
we have strain for that plus if we plan to do things like this and that regularly (we d0) we should make some drain foci for it first and we have strain for that so>>24127120

then some kind of foci ether drain transmutation or more for our project.

>>24127138
>>24127048
That's a total waste of magic. The base of the bed is hard and they have a ton of pillows to make it soft if they want

>>24127155
It's not about being nice. It's about wasting a lot of time and effort on something that isn't all that worth it.

>>24127157
see:
>>24127155

>>24127138
>>24127048
fuck yea do it we can regain any drain when we show the pets the bed, then we can get back to work on our god dam Spell witch we have been blowing off all day.

>>24127155
we are but that is to much effort how about we authorize Lunch to add those spells if she wants and has time.

>>24127155
There's a difference between being nice and making everything they own magic.

>>24127185
I think our spell is pretty much done

For those advocating a smart-bed, be aware that each phase will take at least an hour, assuming you get the casting correct the first time each time, not including the time taken for collecting foci, and accruing likely three more points of Alchemy strain, one of Enchantment strain, and one of Conjuration or Sorcery strain, requiring you to stop part-way through to spend some time refilling or resting. This would be a major project, just like the collar was, and not something to be undertaken lightly.

>>24127203
it we still need to make the seeds turn on back off on a trigger condition. We need to add the ability to amplify the targets current emotion not one we picked.

>>24127214
It's not even particularly necessary, since it's already in a state where they can choose whether to sleep directly on the mattress or one of the cushions.

>>24127237
Also, not even our own bed is enchanted. Do we really want our pets to have a better bed than us?
It's a completely retarded idea

>>24127214
thank you. >>24127237 that everyone is why we shouldn't make a smart bed. If you want to compromise >>24127200 is fine by me.

>>24127200
That sounds good. We can make it her pet project.

If not that, I was gonna suggest having her make fainting couches for the various floors they often pass out on.

>>24127214
Okay then, just show them the bed, then we can go do something else.

>>24127283
is she makes couches (which i like) we can also make some transmutation drain foci for communal use so that it doesn't detract from her foci crafting.

>>24127283>>24127200
this is fine too

lets bring them down and show them there new bed, then have lunch go over our spell she is good at enchantment too right?

>>24127432
>>24127283
>>24127200
yea do this.

so is consensus seems to be doing >>24127299 and >>24127200

>>24127432
the sheet on the wick says 1 so no she can barely cast it.

You head up into the tower, grabbing Breakfast from where she was playing with Selene and Gaviscon and grabbing Lunch from where she was sleeping in the sitting room. While you're at it, you grab Selene too for a bit of a snuggle while you walk, and Gaviscon takes up the rear. You lead the meals on down into the sub-basement, down to their new room, and show them their new bed.

Breakfast's eyes gleam as she looks at it and she takes a flying leap into it, rolling around in the blankets and cushions and purring like mad. Lunch walks up to you, gives you a careful hug, then says, "Thank you, Mistress. I... I didn't expect you to do this so soon. I really appreciate it."

Gaviscon climbs up into the bed too and starts rolling around with Breakfast.

What do you do now?

>>24127471
"go over our spell with lunch she may have some insight.

>>24127471
Return the hug and then throw Lunch in the bed with Gav and Breakfast.

>>24127471
cuddle wit them tell lunch she is allowed to do >>24127214 if it doesn't interfere with her chores. Drain a point of strain off the meals.

>>24127481
she has 1 enchantment and that spell is to dangerous for a pet even a loyal competent one.

>>24127471
Well, we did amass some alchemy strain building it, so a quick draining is probably in order before we go make more foci.

>>24127481
Lunch is terrible at enchantment, a spell like this is probably beyond her to understand, let alone offer suggestions on.

>>24127471
Work on our spell we have done nothing with it all day at the very least see the tweaks Lin put on it better yet Finally try to add something we learned from the mind drill.

Selene is right there guys, I say we just have a cuddle fest.

Weren't we gonna meet Pierre?

Or did I miss a thread?

>>24127471
Return the hug, run a hand through her hair and down the back of her neck.

"You and Breakfast have been very good lately, you deserve something more comfortable than a pile of blankets. A good Mistress takes care of her pets.

Now why don't you give it a try?"

Then pick her up and place her in bed with Breakfast. We'll join them in a bit to recharge strain after a bit of snuggling with our daughter.

>>24127541
Wouldn't be the first time we've given a meal the D in front of Selene.

>>24127551
We met him last thread and implanted an enchantment into him which filters out anything bad about us her perceives, which stops him noticing our aura with his aura detection.

>>24127541
Seconded. Hell, we could probably just drain Breakfast on the ambient energy she is no doubt pushing from the massive amounts of comfy she is currently experiencing.

>>24127541
we can drain from a passionate kiss or a sexy cuddle we don't have to fuck them for one point.

>>24127551
last thread

>>24127497

>>24127572>>24127564

actually a great idea do it I wanted to try and drain from a orgy but this is a good idea too.

then
>>24127535

>>24127570
Yeah, with her in the room and in front of her, but it's hard to go full on fucking while snuggling Selene, and we don't want to put Selene down to fuck because that might make her feel like we didn't love snuggling with her, which we do, and liked adult snuggling with the Pets more.

But you're welcome to try giving them the D.

I've already voted, this isn't another vote.

>>24127570
My point was what is she going to think. That we brought her along just to watch us bang the meals?

Seems a little weird.

>>24127669
>>24127683
Reasonable points I guess, not sure we can regain a point of strain from snuggling though, so if we're not doing this, we'd best do something other than alchemy for a while.

>>24127471
I never meant for you two to be sleeping on piles of blankets, that was an oversight on my part, if you have issues like this feel free to ask me about them, I want you guys to be happy and comfortable here.

>>24127471

good/hard work is rewarded.

is auto reply being ass for anyone else? Top of the page works fine though.

>>24127497
point throw her someone could get hurt if she lands on then placing her is ok I mean Gav is a mettle bug.

>>24127669
I concur with you drain the meals via snuggle with them ans Selene is ok fuck while cuddling Seline is not.

24127712
lets not admit an error but
>if you have issues like this feel free to ask me about them, I want you guys to be happy and comfortable here.
Is great by itself she will swoon at our caring Domness

"You've done a really good job since you got here," you tell her. "Good jobs deserve rewards just as much as bad jobs deserve punishments."

"Th... Thank you..." she says before rubbing up against you and purring.

"Now, let's all try it out!" you say before picking her up in your other arm and flopping down into the big nest bed with Lunch and your daughter. You roll around and snuggle with them, occasionally kissing, touching, and caressing the pets to try to get energy from them without just fucking them in front of Selene.

Roll Soul to drain from the meals. I'll consider the first four linked 1d100 rolls.

Rolled 85

>>24127750

Rolled 99

>>24127750

Rolled 25

>>24127750
I think the Lunch in the paragraph should be Breakfast

Rolled 22

>>24127750

Rolled 15

>>24127750

>>24127750
I think the Lunch in the paragraph should be Breakfast

Rolled 19

>>24127813
There isn't a lunch paragraph. No idea what your trying to say.

>>24127813
No,Max is holding lunch and Selene and she's flopping down on the bed with both of them at once.

>>24127813
>>24127792
stupid ass auto reply and my misreading Lunch is right

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>>24127767
You manage to drain, in drips and sips with touches and kisses, a little bit from both meals, leaving them yawning, stretching, and getting ready to break in the new bed with a nice nap. Selene's probably getting hungry with what time of the evening it is. Gaviscon is curled up between the two meals, adding heat to the comfort.

What do you do now?

>>24127860
Make a meal for everyone.

>>24127860
Give Selene something to eat.

>>24127860
go make her dinner to eat

>>24127860
feed selene

>>24127860
Take Selene to the kitchen and get her something to eat.

>>24127860
lets add some of our blood to Selene's water

>>24127860
Lets go cook up a burger for Selene then take her for more Tai-Chi.

>>24127896
no

>>24127908
yes

>>24127896
Lets living alchemy ourselves into a bloodrat made out of maxleather with a heart of power

>>24127860
Give the two meals a few last pets and scritches, leave them purring as they take a nap.

Then take Selene to the kitchen and make her some food, and get a snack ourself.

Liz has probably not been eating properly since she's working, we should make her a snack, her staying in good condition and finishing her project is very important, we can deal with punishment later.

>>24127896
no we should pick up pork/beef blood th next time we go shopping for food.


>>24127927
yes do this.

>>24127896
Shut up Snapple

>>24127896
Nope

>>24127927
seconded, but make something for Lin too. Maybe we should also ask the meals if they are hungry?

>>24127896
>part vamp
she'll probably love than

>>24127958
Good point. And it's not really much harder to make enough food for 6 than it is to make enough for 3.

>>24127957
>>24127950
>>24127946
>>24127925
>>24127908
what's the harm in adding a little blood to our half vampire's drink? I mean other than her liking it more than normal.

>>24127959
We aren't feeding her our blood.

>>24127958
>Maybe we should also ask the meals if they are hungry?
Theyre napping, leave em be. Maybe make some food and bring it to them a little while later.

>>24127927
indeed
>>24127958
good idea we need our 1 meal as well
>>24127959
But it is a bad lesson for her right now therefore >>24127950

>>24127991
why not? she'd love it, just look at how much she likes meat

>>24128017
No

>>24128017
we are weighting until she is older to explain when it is ok to bight and drink blood as of now the rule is biting is bad.

>>24127896
no

>>24128017
Since Femcock sees even using actual reasoning to argue against posts like this to be legitimatizing them, I'm going to stick with the old tried and true.

No.

>>24128064
not people blood we can totaly get her some beef/ or pork blood hell horse, deer, Elk, what have you not people.

You pick Selene up and head upstairs. The meals are probably too busy sleeping to be willing to get up and eat, but Lin and Liz could probably use some food too. You let Selene bring you pans and spoons and such and start cooking some food, heavy on the meat for Selene. When it's all done, you and Selene get started on your plates and you text Liz and Lin to let them know dinner's ready.

Lin climbs on down pretty quickly. She thanks you and starts digging in immediately. Liz takes somewhat longer, and she walks in slowly, looking guilty, and not making eye contact with you. She quietly starts eating after murmuring her thanks. You think it's pretty clear she feels bad and is nervous about her impending punishment.

What do you do?

>>24128163
Ask them how their projects are coming along

>>24128163
" what was that Liz I can't here you that well what were you saying" eat a nice meal with our family.

then get to work on our spell

>>24128163
I'm gonna go with the lecture suggestion from last thread, followed by the 'how much you mean to us' talk.

>>24128163
Ask them both how their projects are going. Make sure Liz is still making progress and is doing alright. We want her to feel bad about what she did, but we don't want this to impede her work.

>>24128203
I'd hold off on that until Liz is done with all the stuff for her project. We said we'd get her apology once she was done with it.

>>24128235
this

>>24128235
Seconding this.

>>24128235
this then we need to work on our spell asap

>>24128235
this

>>24128203
I prefer the paper after class tomorrow that option has more dialog with her and makes her practice analyses especially if we do it like
> First we need to talk to her - not just lecture, but allow and encourage her to respond - about the issue. When she writes a draft, we need to read it, talk to her about it, and tell her what else she needs to work on. And when she finishes it, we need to talk about that too. >Communication is important.

>>24128372
Listen, that's a great option for getting a child to understand what they did wrong. That's a fucking terrible option for disciplining a sub and explaining to them what they did wrong.

>>24128203
I think we want to do that tomorrow

>>24128372
Use this if Selene does something bad, not Liz.

"So," you as Liz and Lin. "How are you two coming along with your projects?"

"I'm basically done," says Lin. "I'm going to make some more foci throughout the night for the presentation tomorrow. I should be good to go."

"Liz?" you ask when she doesn't speak up.

"I, uh..." she says, looking carefully up at you. "I'm done. Just double checking and triple checking before I finally pour in the elemental. Do you want to watch, Mistress?"

What do you do?

>>24128441
"yea is it going to do something cool?

>>24128441
yes good I am glad i don't have to weight for tomorrow for your punishment. It is better for you this way.

>>24128480
>weight
The word you're looking for is 'wait.'

>>24128441
Of course.

>>24128390
we need communication with her and physical punishment is right out do to child abuse.
And if we do the lecture option we don't here what she thinks that is bad and cuts off communication. D/s is all about communication.

Also the cost benefit part will explain flat out why this is dumb in her own words.

>>24128441
"Of course!"

>>24128480
No, we are waiting until tomorow. We want her to think about it.

>>24128497
What? Liz isn't a child.

>>24128441
"Yes, I would like to see it. I'm looking forward to seeing what you've put so much time and effort into."

>>24128441
Yes. Yes we shall watch. Silently. With a blank stare devoid of any excitement, like a drill sergeant watching a recruit try to properly field strip his weapon for the third time.

>>24128497
We get to hear response after she's been properly punished. It's going to undermine what we say if she can just poke in at any time.

>>24128490
thank you yes
>>24128511
I thought we were only waiting that long so she could finish her project.

>>24128497
Dom/sub is all about communication, but not during punishment. The time for that is after the punishment ends. What's more, we're not going to hit her, we're going to bind her and explain what she did wrong, which is EXACTLY the role she WANTS us to take as her Mistress.

>>24128518
her parents abused her when she was a child

>>24128539
She still has to make foci for it.

>>24128497
Tying her down and making her listen is not physical abuse...okay, yeah, doing it to a child would be physical abuse, but not with Liz. I'd be against spanking or hitting her because of her possible abuse trauma, but forcing her to sit in a submissive pose isn't abuse for this relationship. By all means, that's the least physical way we can exert disciplinary control over her during our lecturing.

>>24128559
Liz actually enjoys being spanked, this however is a punishment and therefore should not be something she'll enjoy.

>>24128575
Hence being bound and not touched.

>>24128559
I don't think she would have much trauma from that, she barely thought of it before we mentioned it.

>>24128575
I was more commenting on the child abuse and reawakening trauma bit.

Spanking her isn't likely to cause that when it's something that she enjoys having her mistress do to her.

It's still not the right time for that though.

>>24128480
nope after class tomorrow

>>24128541
yes this mostly that if our buddy in lotus can here us tutor frenchey Sanjy will her any thing she says in class so no mistress/breaking talk outside of wards.

>>24128581
hell add a week of cock probation no cock for one week (maybe time off for good behavior)

this
>>24128602
meant for
>>24128581

>>24128559
I forgot to add that the paper is a really good way to tell her "This relationship isn't worth my time and effort to correct as your dom, so you can go fix it yourself". It's a really, really good way to insult her in a way that isn't appropriate for D/s. As far as this relationship, and therefore her behavior goes, that is our job to control and alter as we see fit, and not something we shove off on her shoulders.

>>24128575
Oh, no, this is not play spanking, if we were going to use that. If we were going to actually spank or paddle her as punishment for her legitimate misbehavior, it would not end pleasurably. In any case, binding her up and giving her no physical or sexual stimulation is a much better way to go about frustrating her enough to make our point.

>>24128441
"Of course, since you spent so much time carefully planning this and putting it together, I would love to see the results."

May as well take this as an opportunity to reinforce the point we were trying to make before after all.

something we should do now that we have pierre under our influence is ask him who the other Dextra in you year is

>>24128633
We can do that when we have our next sorcery lesson with him, we can pretty much grill him for information without fear of suspicion now, so we should take advantage of that fact.

Though I doubt Pierre knows much about Dextra, I get the feeling they expect him to fail, so they're probably keeping him in the dark about their more sensitive information.

>>24128633
We don't have him under our influence, we just made him give us the benefit of the doubt.

>>24128632
yes I like it

"Of course," you tell her. "We can go down and you can show it to me as soon as we're done eating."

Liz nods and starts eating quickly. It looks like she wants to get it done. Between you starting first and having smaller portions due to your augmentations, you both finish at about the same time. You pick Selene up and leave Lin to finish eating as you and Liz climb on down to the sub-basement. Liz leads you down to the room where she's been working; her ceramic spirit forge is sitting in the center, next to the plastic bottle of water elemental.

She does a few quick checks of it, makes a few tiny marks with a razor blade, and then unceremoniously pours the elemental into it. She produces a cork from her pocket and corks up the hole on the top. "So, uh, it will probably heat up," she says. "Not enough to burn your hands, but noticeably. Some of the lines might start glowing too - if they do that, they will burn your hands. We could melt some wax over the top too, if we wanted to make sure the cork doesn't get disturbed. Do you want to get a candle?"

"What's a candle, mommy?" Selene asks Liz.

"Oh. It's a stick made of wax with a string inside of it. You light the string on fire and it burns slowly and melts the wax," she says, smiling at Selene.

"What's wax?" Selene asks.

"I can show you, if you want," Liz says, looking up at you for guidance.

What do you do?

>>24128541
I know we aren't hitting her and your idea is at worst second best

>>24128559
i agree the lecture is not abuse i was trying to preemptively down vote any actual abuse

>>24128575 has a point but the lecture is fine as far as his concern goes

>yes this mostly that if our buddy in lotus can here us tutor frenchey Sanjy will her any thing she says in class so no mistress/breaking talk outside of wards.

I meant at home after class tomorrow.

>>24128627
no spankings that is ether funishment or teaches her to not do violence using violence and is retarded. Plus he past child abuse

>>24128632
yes

>>24128553
no her project is the effects of a one use magic item she just finished.

>>24128670
>I know we aren't hitting her and your idea is at worst second best
Oh, it wasn't even my idea. I just like it.

>>24128666
smile and nod

>>24128666
>Liz
>Depressed and unenthusiastic
Well, this is a new one. Yeah, show Selene the candle. Though, I swear to god, if Liz does something with that candle, I'mma flip a shit.

>>24128666
"Go ahead, dear."

>>24128666
Sure, give her the go ahead.

>>24128687
you subscribe to it so it is yours as well

also the full lecture idea from last thread post 24119655
>The other idea I had was a bit more, uh, poetic, I guess, and doesn't involve the spanking. Tie her up sitting in a kneeling position with her wrists attached to her ankles, and point her head at the ground. Lecture her about what she's doing wrong and why it's wrong, without being nice or sympathetic about it. Purely pragmatic, and devoid of friendly tones or emotion. She's not allowed to so much as twist a finger or shift a knee the whole time. She also isn't allowed to respond, argue, agree, or add on to anything you say. Still and silent, the whole time. If she's patient and doesn't move during the whole lecture (which will be ten to twenty minutes long), then she can go. However, every time she moves or makes a sound, add two minutes to a counter. At the end of the lecture, walk out of the room without saying a thing. Come back after the added time runs out, and then untie her.

>>24128709
"just this less response we give the better.

>>24128732
God, it feels weird watching people quote my posts. Well, I'm glad some people are approving of it. I quite literally doodled up the idea driving back to my dorm last night.

>>24128732
Thats the best idea so far.

Fem having net problems again? Time to speculate wildly. Snapple, hit me with another crazy idea.

>>24128666

a good opportunity to teach Selene about the dangers of fire.

>>24129095
>Soul imprint of mother dying
>Sees fire
>Has psychotic breakdown.

Also, haha, how are we going to eventually explain where we got her seed from? She's going to be old enough to think about that stuff within the next six months or so.

"Go ahead," you tell Liz. She heads out of the room, then comes back again in a few minutes with a big, thick beeswax candle.

"I got this in London while we were shopping," she says, lighting the wick. Selene holds out her little hand to try to feel the heat, but you pull her back and explain that she could burn herself. Because she's been your kitchen assistant before, she understands what you mean. "So, this is wax, sweetie. The warmer it gets, the softer it gets, until it melts, like when ice melts into water," Liz explains. She swirls the molten wax around occasionally, waiting for enough to melt. Finally, she quenches the flame and pours the wax out of the candle and all over the cork. It quickly hardens. "Want to touch the wax?" Liz asks, holding out the cool end of the candle. Selene nods and rubs her little fingers over it a few times.

"I like candles," she says, clearly enamored with the novelty of the object.

Liz gives a warm, happy smile to Selene, then smiles nervously at you. The molten wax is quickly cooling on her spirit forge. You expect she'll want to put it somewhere that it won't be touched until morning.

What do you do now?

>>24129133

note to self, wax dripping bondage play.

>>24129133
Let her finish putting away her project, we could go play with Selene for a while. Even though we're going to be punishing Liz at some point in the fairly near future, we should keep our presence at a minimum until after we finish with that business.

By the way, are we going to be punishing her now that her project is done, or are we waiting for her to finish presenting it first?

>>24129133
Lets close this room and leave Selene with Dad and go do.

>>24128732

>>24129174
Shit, I forget, is beeswax or paraffin wax the one that's safe for starters? I'm pretty sure one of those is safe, and the other is a big red "FUCKING NO".

>>24129133
We should give some praise for her project, however minor, since we told her to finish it, and she did. Something like "You've done well."

Then we could send Selene to play with the others and move on to >>24128732

>>24129179
I say now we were only waiting so she could work on her project.

>>24129193
90% sure beeswax is safe.

>>24129133
get to work on our spell we have been putting it off way too long.

>>24129221
Our spell is basically done.

>>24129193
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wax_play
Beeswax isn't safe for beginners.

>>24129227
the only thing left is more foci and the option to just amplify emotions not change them. and extra foci.

>>24129227
we didn't add anything we learned from the mind drill

>>24129240
>look up wax melting points
>Beeswax: 150 F
>Low-Point Paraffin: ~120 F
>Bayberry: 118 F

Yeah, let's not use beeswax. We know Liz is up for a lot of stuff, but I don't think she can handle 150 degrees right off the get-go. Considering we're obviously going to have to roll to not overheat the wax, as I would expect of Fem, I'm just gonna assume anything up to fifteen degrees over the listed melting point until Max gets some practice in with the stuff. That is, if we ever get into this kind of thing.

>>24129221
do this
>>24129304
yea good point then we spend the rest of the night making foci.

>>24129240
>>24129240
its fine for her to drip on us... or lin.

>>24129133
Time for Liz's punishment, go leave Selene with the meals or dad, then do >>24128732

>>24129304
No, but Lin did for us.

>>24129304
Lin did and we didn't have any other ideas.

>>24129308
the paint on most Paraffin candles raises the temperature well over 200 and unlike beeswax are harder to judge. Also Lix bought it for wax play and she knows her shit.

>>24129342
>>24129359
yea but we didn't look at the spell lin modified yet

we aren't doing shit with liz till after her punishment tomorrow so... lets get to work.

"I'm glad you got it done," you tell Liz, taking great care to keep your tone neutral. She droops slightly, then heads out to hide it somewhere while you head up to your dad. You bring Selene to your dad. "Hey, can you two look after each other for a while?" you ask. "I have something I need to do with Liz."

"Sure thing," your dad says, smirking to himself. "Have fun."

"It's not about fun," you say, then walk back. You find Liz in the bedroom, reading a book. She looks up as you enter.

"Is... Is it punishment time?" she asks. You can hear the nerves in her voice.

What do you do?

>>24129405
Say no, but do it anyway.

>>24129405
Bound lecture, followed by a heart-to-heart about how much she means to us.

>>24129405
Yes it is.
Do:
>The other idea I had was a bit more, uh, poetic, I guess, and doesn't involve the spanking. Tie her up sitting in a kneeling position with her wrists attached to her ankles, and point her head at the ground. Lecture her about what she's doing wrong and why it's wrong, without being nice or sympathetic about it. Purely pragmatic, and devoid of friendly tones or emotion. She's not allowed to so much as twist a finger or shift a knee the whole time. She also isn't allowed to respond, argue, agree, or add on to anything you say. Still and silent, the whole time. If she's patient and doesn't move during the whole lecture (which will be ten to twenty minutes long), then she can go. However, every time she moves or makes a sound, add two minutes to a counter. At the end of the lecture, walk out of the room without saying a thing. Come back after the added time runs out, and then untie her.

>>24129442
Do it
>>24129447
like this


fuck getting a good grade we just half ass every thing till 3 year crunch time i guess

>>24129405
Yes, do >>24129447 , after which we should give her the chance to make it up to us, provided she seems to have taken our lecture to heart.

>>24129405

i don't think it is safe for us to do wax play right now, we don't know enough about it.

i really don't want to end up burning her pretty skin.

>>24129447

this seems pretty good.

Selene was the one who said she likes candles, by the way. I've realized I wasn't clear about that.

>>24129405
If everyone is okay with the previously quoted idea:
>"Yes, and the first thing I want you to do is be quiet. We're not going to argue about this, and I don't want to hear your apologies right now. Save them for later."

Then we get to undressing her and tying her up as specified. Keep her bra and panties on, so it's just humiliating without being revealing. If she doesn't have them on, then that's fine.

>>24129489
Given that you also mentioned that she was impressed by the novelty of candlewax, it seemed pretty obvious to me.

>>24129447
the lecture includes calling her on her wanting to kill Frenchy more because he's hitting on us than him being ideologically opposed to our existence. Hopefully we can make some progress on her jealousy issues.

If we're going to do some heavy punishment, it is important to remember AFTERCARE.

>>24129535
Yeah, wanting to turn someone into a lab rat and experiment on him until he dies because he was hitting on your girlfriend is a bit much. Especially if he is unaware of your relationship.

>>24129535
It would be good to make progress on the jealousy issues, since on some level they suggest a lack of trust in us. On some level she thinks we might actually do something with Pierre behind her back.

>>24129558

that is why we will do plenty of research.

Best punishment ever:

Hit the spirit forge with our dick

>>24129558
Of course, when we're done lecturing her, we can untie her and play with her, be sure and remind her that we only did what we did because we don't want to lose her because she gets careless.

>>24129535
Oh, shoot, guy who came up with idea here, I just realized I haven't thought through what we need to say very much. Oh, dammit.

>>24129558
No, see, that's the fun of this method. There's nothing physical besides her hands and feet being tied together. We put her in a submissive position, make her sit still and listen, and then let her go. We're also trying to make a point that you don't have to hit someone to teach them properly.

>>24129405
"yes"
>>24129447
>>24129490
>>24129535
yes all of this please.

>>24129601
I think the no-hitting thing is really the most important part of this.

>>24129625
It goes hand-in-hand with the point of this punishment in getting her to stop being so violently reactionary to every obstacle in her way.

>>24129405
this>>24129447 and >>24129490

>>24129489
Great, we are gonna have to deal with out daughter begging us to tie her up and poor hot wax over her

>>24129535
yes

>>24129585
good but also remember the siting alone if she doesn't stay still and quiet.

>>24129580
no

>>24129585
we should both go play with Seline then have kinky sex to have i clear divide between sex and punishment.

>>24129625
>>24129646
exactly

>>24129712
this will be a problem how?

>>24129712
The odds of Selene growing up in the tower without developing some sort of kinks were pretty low.

>>24129712
I fail to see the problem with this, anon. Well, as long as she doesn't get those ideas until she's somewhere around the equivalent of fourteen or fifteen, minimum. I might be a bit queasy before then.

>>24129726
Seconding the bit about clearly delineating sex and punishment.

>>24129712
Or we come home one day to see her doing it to Lunch and Breakfast.

>>24129601
Right now we need to talk to liz she hase several big problems
1 she is not using good sense ot patiance
2 she is being supper vicious
3 she is being presunptuas and defiant
4 she is becoming to dependant on us for her planing and morality
5 we still nead to cope with her child abuse.
6 if she is mad at Piare for trying to take us that means on some level she doesn't trust us to not let him

>>24129726
Seconding the bit about clearly delineating sex and punishment.>>24129756
If anything, our Phoenix dryad is gonna be the one with the hot wax fetish.

Hey guys. Plan for future punishments!

We make Liz a Pain Sack. Basically, it's a big burlap bag that detects both her emotions as well as ours and administers electric shock, heat, pure pain, or some other thing accordingly.

When she misbehaves we stuff her in it.

>>24129585
I have a better idea, but it depends heavily on how this all ends. Stupidly enough, I'm getting all of my ideas from how a parent would handle a timeout with a child. If she gets our point through her head, then everything will go according to plan, and I might get an event that gets a couple bitch tears out of someone in this thread.

>>24129787
Quit stealing shit from WH40K

>>24129787
Damn it Snapple.

>>24129787
Thank you, Snapple, for bringing both the insane and psychotic flavors into this thread. Fucking no, Snapple. That goes beyond sadism or discipline and right into torture. Absolutely not.

>>24129787
I'm torn between 'holy shit, yes' and 'what the fuck, no'

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>>24129756
When i was like 10 i poked Playes and swished wax in candles and put it on my hands. My mom thought it was funny and as long as i was careful and she was nearby she let me. As long as she keeps the sex angle out till she is equivalent to fourteen or fifteen and doesn't risk a fire hazard she is fine.

>>24129787
Goddammit shut the fuck up.

This is easily one of the most fucked up ideas yet.

>>24129787
It's not as crazy as it sounds.

No more advanced than the collar and variable in degrees. I kind of want to make it.

>>24129787
And then we can enchant a mask that waterboards her at the same time? Maybe some rings that function as thumbscrews and crush her fingers?

Go fuck yourself, Snapple. BDSM is not torture.

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>>24129851
If we want to do something like that, we can just get shock pads and a whip. Stuffing her in a fucking bag is outright psychotic.

>>24129858
We could make the mask out of Maxleather.

>>24129787
Yeah, this is blatant trolling. No one would honestly consider this legitimate BDSM play.

I would report it if I were you guys.

>>24129787
in all but the mildest versions of the that is honorable. The mild version is only good for funishment and making her as horny as us and light pain play. This could be made into a sex toy but not a punishment device that would be torture.

Rolled 97

Just make sure we tell her her being impatient could get us in trouble. How we need to be careful and work slowly enough so we all don't die.

>>24129879
Snapple's ideas are never meant to be taken seriously. It's the people who actually agree with them that have the real issues.

>>24129535
Yup. Our problem is that she was impatient, rash, and focused on revenge and breaking someone over being careful, patient, and preparing properly as well as disobedience.

We however don't want her to just unthinkingly agree with us, we do want her to know if we have a bad idea or overlook something that she is to inform us, because we could die if we fuck up a plan or try a stupid one.

>>24129780
how dose my idea sound as a list of topics for out lecture anything missing any rephrasing?
>1 she is not using good sense ot patiance
>2 she is being supper vicious
>3 she is being presunptuas and defiant
>4 she is becoming to dependant on us for her planing and morality
>5 we still nead to cope with her child abuse.
>6 if she is mad at Piare for trying to take us that means on some level she doesn't trust us to not let him

>>24129962
Aside from the rather egregious spelling errors, it's thorough enough.

>>24129952
this and>>24129962

>>24129962
These are all good points, if badly spelled.

>>24129962
>>4 she is becoming to dependant on us for her planing and morality
This is the part I disagree with. Her bigger issue is the way she disagrees with our plans and attempts at halfway decent morality for the sake of petty vengeance that WILL get us killed.

>>24130000
that seems like a distinction without a difference care to elaborate?

>>24130031
What he means is that Liz is ignoring our plans in favor of petty spite and vengeance, not depending on us for planning. She's making her own plans, and keeps pushing them after we've said no for any various amount of reasons. We will listen to her, and we will consider all of her input, but like any other group or relationship, when we say no, we mean fucking no. This isn't even a D/s issue, this is just her being an obstinate child about not getting her way when she wants it.

"Yes," you tell her calmly. "Come here. Kneel."

She does just that, walking up to you and kneeling at her feet, looking down at the ground. You lean over and start stripping off all of her clothes except her collar. Once she's nude, you take silk scarves that you had made with alchemy days ago and bind her wrists to her ankles, keeping her kneeling and looking down.

"I'm going to talk to you," you explain. "You're going to listen - patiently. Every time you so much as move a finger, or try to speak, I will add time to how long you have to stay there. If you understand, you may nod your head."

She nods her head.

What all do you go into in her lecture?

Rolled 69

>>24129962
>>24130150
1-4&6

>>24130188
this

>>24130150
All of these >>24129962 except the child abuse one, which I think is a discussion for another day.

>>24130188
>>24130204
Also these >>24130000
>>24130097

>>24130150
That she's becoming overly possessive of us, dangerously impatient regarding perceived "threats", and needlessly viscous. In short, jealousy.

>>24130150
dont forget to mention lotus super hearing and Sanjy is her biggest competition, he will soon/ already be able to know every thing we say outside of wards.

>>24130150
This >>24130188

I think part of the problem is that being no.1 in the class has made her think she's unstoppable.

If she needs an example of what we're talking about, then Kaoru is a good one. Her and her Tengu jumped us without properly planning it through, because they thought they were powerful enough to take Max down without researching us better first.

That Tengu had been around for 1000 years, and now it's dead, because they got careless.

>>24130150
This>>24129952

Her impatience, rashness, and disobedience. Her desire to throw away an asset for petty revenge and jealousy. Wanting to take out someone without preparing properly or considering the consequences, pushing for us to use complicated magic without preparing or making sure we'd do it right.

Make sure she knows that we value her thoughts and input on plans, we want her to have an opinion and let us know when an idea is bad or when we miss something. We want her to think of plans and present them to us. We don't want her to be disobedient or push bad plans that put our safety at risk because of jealousy and a childish desire for revenge.

>>24130150

>>24129962 except 4
and add the jist of>>24130277

>>24130277
I don't even think it's her class position. She's just being possessive and jealous. Are we her first romantic relationship? I forget. That might explain this.

>>24130150

>>24129962
But cut out 5, that's not something to talk about right now.

>>24130345
She's had other relationships, as I recall, but none of them were particularly satisfying. I seriously doubt she's been in a proper D/s relationship before.

>>24130316
>Her impatience, rashness, and disobedience. Her desire to throw away an asset for petty revenge and jealousy
the best revenge is one that turns a threat into an asset

>>24130365
Hell, we're still working out the ropes of this shit ourselves.

>>24130320 I am and meant remove 5 (child abuse) not 4 (planing and morality)
>>24130316 dose a good job of laying all this out

The main issue is clearly jealousy, just look at how she reacted to the news of Pierre's feelings

You give Liz a good, long talking to. You talk about her common sense being overcome by her impatience. You talk about the vindictive, vicious attitude that she's been developing lately. You talk about how she's been getting presumptuous and defiant towards you recently. You talk about how she's becoming too reliant on you to be her moral compass and to vet her reckless plans. And finally, you talk about how her anger and jealously towards Pierre means that she must think that, on some level, you might leave her for him.

Roll Soul. You get a +2 for Calm, a +1 for the position you've put Liz in, and a +1 for how guilty she's already been made to feel. I'll consider the first eight linked 1d100 rolls.

Rolled 84

>>24130490
Ones for the one throne!

Rolled 80

>>24130490
Oh god damn, here we fucking go.

Rolled 75

>>24130490
please save us, dice!

Rolled 74

>>24130490

Rolled 39

>>24130490
>Roll soul to not have Liz become worst enemy

Rolled 70

>>24130490
roll

Rolled 87

>>24130490
I'mma roll again dammit.

Rolled 73

>>24130490

Rolled 93

>>24130490

>>24130501
>>24130507
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>>24130512
looks good
>inb4 4 ones

Rolled 7

>>24130490
dice

>>24130501
>>24130507
>>24130511
>>24130512
>>24130523
>>24130527
>>24130529
See? The dice love Liz, too, they just wish she'd be more cooperative.

>>24130501
>>24130507
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>>24130529

holy Cocknuggets.

we're making so much sense right now.

>>24130501
>>24130507
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>>24130529
The dice REALLY want us to sort that out with Liz
That should solve all our problems with that

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>>24130507
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>>24130534
Good god. We ought to have a fucking talk show.

>>24130556
Dr. Laura, eat your NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER heart out.

>>24130501
>>24130507
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>>24130529
7/8. Dear god we are great at lecturing.

After we lecture, and give her some time to process we will cuddle the fuck out of this woman.

>in b4 Liz has a total psychotic breakdown and winds up in miserable tears, convinced that he must hate her for all her terrible failings.

So calm not only helps augment, it also boosts some soul rolls.

Calm is officially the second best besides focus.

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>>24130507
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>>24130529
What the fuck just happened?

>>24130642
behind* not besides

>>24130656

everything ever.

>>24130567
Lecture idea guy here, I had the same idea. To close the book on this issue, we untie her and hold her close while lying on the bed, and ask her a series of questions.

>Do you understand why I did that?
>Are you sorry?
>Are you going to make an effort to change?

If she says yes to all three, then all is forgiven. Then we let her let out whatever pent up apologies or emotions she has. If we're going to do sexy funtime after this, wait for her to calm down.

>>24130567
we should take her to go play with her and our daughter and let this sink in then we can have a talk as equals and kinky sex. We don't want the talk or sex bleeding into the punishment.

So that's where all our good rolls have been going. The dice gods were saving them up for the big relationship-defining talk.
I'm sorry we doubted you, oh great lords of chance. I bow before your infinite foresight and wisdom.

>>24130642
we've know this for a while snapple try and keep up. the Calm augment helps with anything that being calm would help with, as such I suggest getting a Passion Augment

>>24130678
I agree with this.

>>24130678
Yup, this. She might need a good cry after that. Aftercare is very important.

>>24130678
This guy's got the right idea. If she understood what we said (and she will have done, with rolls that good) then it's time to make her feel loved and cared for.

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>>24130687
an offering of thanksgiving is appropriate.

>>24130501
>>24130507
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>>24130529
You see her tremble ever so slightly near the end. It takes you a few moments to realize that she's holding back tears. The punishment is over now, you decide. You reach down and carefully untie her before delicately lifting her up into your arms. You carry her to the bed, cradling her head against your chest.

She starts sobbing. You stroke her hair, making quiet shushing sounds and letting her get it all out. She curls up against you, not holding on nor pulling away, just being there. Eventually, it tapers off into sniffles and her clinging to you. You kiss her head and decide to start talking it out with her.

"Do you understand why I did that?" you ask.

"Y... Yes, Mistress," she says, sniffing and trying to keep her voice steady.

"Are you sorry?" you ask, stroking her hair.

"I'm so sorry!" she exclaims, the last word broken slightly by a small sob.

"Are you going to make an effort to change?" you ask finally.

"Yes!" she says. "Yes, I promise, Mistress! I won't be so impatient. I won't be so cruel. I'll trust you, but I won't rely on you for everything. I... I know you won't leave me. I'm sorry, Mistress. I love you."

You shush her and pull her tighter, letting her relax into you. After a few more minutes of this, Liz finally breaks the comfortable silence. "Can... Can I properly apologize now?" she asks, her hands slipping into your pants.

What do you say?

>>24130909
"Lets go play with our daughter then you cam apologize."

>>24130909
"Of course you can, my cute little slut."

>>24130909
say nothing and lay back

>>24130909
Hmm, nope. I think cuddling's good for now. We can have some together time without having to fuck.

>>24130960
* after that you can apologize

>>24130909
Let her, she really wants to, and she's taken in everything we've said.

>>24130909
Also I teared up a little that was well done.

>>24130909
Let her

>>24130960
>>24130971
I think offering to properly apologise is her way of feeling out that everything is fine between us. Refusing now after she's taken in everything we said so well is a bit cruel.

>>24130909
"Let's just relax for now, having you here with me is all the apology I need.

>>24130960
The only thing is, Selene's almost certain to ask why Mommy's been crying. Then again, she's probably going to ask it anyway, given her hearing. I don't think we should ambush Liz with that before she's had time to think on what she'd say. She's already had a big night. Let her express her love for us if that's how she wants to do it.

>>24130556
>Dr. Dickgirl's Real Talk: The Infernal Truth

>>24130968
this then lay back make sure to tell her how good she is doing every steep of the way.

>>24131025
Don't forget to reiterate how much we love her.

>>24130909
Let her, she's been good and taken in everything we said, so she's earned it.

>>24131012
this is a good reason

>>24131007
I disagree because i want sex separated from punishment but i seem outvoted.

Let's bring Lin on this and see how much patience Liz has learned

>>24131007
Seconding this. Let her do her thing.

>>24131045
The punishment is over though.

>>24131052
no

>>24131021
filmed on location in beatufull down town Scholomance

>>24131037 >>24131025 >>24130968
agree do it

>>24131052
>>24131052
no

>>24130909
Of course, let Liz make it up to Max, and Max can make her feel good in return, so she knows how much we care.

>>24131045
>i want sex separated from punishment
I think the cuddling/crying session clearly marked the separation of the two acts. We aren't fucking her to punish her right now, we are doing it to show her that we still love her. This is gonna be sloppy, passionate makeup sex, not ordered and precise kinky punishment sex.

>>24131021
I'd watch it.

>>24131052
Seconding the negative to this. Liz's patience will be tested on Monday when we run into Pierre as a simple matter of fact. No need to toy with her emotions. Her parents did that enough to her.

>>24131098
After all, eventually we're going to HAVE to open that can of worms. We don't want to muddy the waters more than already's been done.

>>24130909
Be quiet and let her say whatever she needs to say. Don't make a point of encouraging sex. If she wants to let it out that way, then wait for her to make it clear.

>>24131062
I know but I don't want them bleeding together. Moms and daughter time is a hard barer to that but >>24131012 is right so i say we do >>24131025 & >>24131037 or >>24131126

>>24131126
I'm fucking retarded and didn't read the last sentence. Ignore this. Roll with it.

>>24131146
I wouldn't worry about this being considered part of the punishment. She's already said she's sorry, and we've already taken the apology. Punishment is over.

>>24131012
For that matter, I think Max should probably think hard on what she's going to say to Selene when it comes up. The poor little dear is likely scared and upset to hear her Mommy cry.

>>24130909
Let her, she's earned a reward.

>>24131197
How about we tell her.
Mommy was being bad and Momma had a long talk with her. Mommy was sad because she was bad. Momma helped her see that and now Mommy is never going to do it again.

>>24131323
>And then Selene was afraid of Max for the rest of her life

>>24131353
>And then Selene asked Mommy to teach her how to be the best Dom she could be

>>24131323
I'm sorry, but that just sounds sinister. If you're going to explain what happened, keep it general and positive. Momma helped Mommy with something that was making Mommy sad, but Mommy is happy now.

>>24131451
That is much better than my idea.

Man, if Fem is putting this much time into that scene, either something amazing or terrible is going to happen.

Welp, another internet failure.

>>24131856
Or it's a petshowerinternetdinner

>>24131856
or there's internet problems

>>24131856
internet failure caused by pet shower while eating dinner

We need to find out how specific living alchemy foci need to be.

Because if whatever foci we make for Pierre's nuts only work on estrogenizing balls, then we might be better off not making them.

If we can make foci for general hormone manipulation then that would be more worth the time.