>>24045042
Shoot at the suckhead in such a way that he drops Taiga. This will open up the mysterious woman to lob a lethal attack

>>24045042
Hilarious typo in the first post. A new record I think.

>Actions?

Inform the Vampire that Arcuied is on the way, and that she gives exactly zero shits about the hostage. If he lets Taiga go now, he'll at least have a head start on the pissed off True Ancestor Vampire Hunter.

>>24045119

>.... SON OF A BITCH.

>I'm looking at Open Office right now, that isn't there. Fucking browser auto-corrected 'shirt' to 'shit'. What the fuck.

Creep around so that Taiga is off to the side, then Gae Bolg his ass?


Don't do this

>>24045042
FUCK YES F/SA! I nearly screamed last night when I checked Twitter and you said you weren't running right then.

Anyway. We need to get the sucker to drop Taiga. We are a peerless archer and we have magic bow. Summon bow, put an arrow through his shoulder. Just remember, this one's going to hit.

>>24045196
Always remember to fold your shit or it'll wrinkle

>>24045105
>>24045119
Do we really want to give away our position like that?

Plus the vamp might just kill Taiga anyway if he knows Arc is coming.

How is he holding Taiga? Bridal? Vertically?

>>24045196

Also.

>Hand holding the rod.

>>24045257

>.... That's not a typo? She's holding some sort of engraved wooden rod.

>Or are you suggesting something else?

>>24045301

>She holds the rod and quivers, making the vampire smile

>yessss

>>24045042
>Rune-etched rod

Looks important. Would it still be considered a weapon? Must be what's keeping the Dead Apostle at bay.

Copy it. Reform into arrow. Shoot at the vamp's head.

>>24045240
If he kills Taiga, he loses his meat shield and gets to eat a face full of Magic Missile, Gae Bolg, and will have Rider on his ass before you can say "holy fuck this bitch just stabbed me".

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>>24045334
The FUCK did you imply, boy?

>>24045254
How IS the vampire holding her. A bridal arry could just let us get into position, then Holy Sword the arms off with a well-placed sword-arrow.

Shirou knows how to do this, right?

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>>24045334
Aaaaaaanway. Action Hero or Hostage Negotiator?
Ideas people!

Are vampires weak to sunlight, and if so, how much? Given
>His dark form dances away, leaping between the shadows
from last tome we encounterd him, would blasting the roof be viable?

I say we talk it out, rather than trying to pull a trick shot and probably fucking it up.

As it stands now, he either releases Taiga and runs, or doesn't release her and Arcuied shows up and kills them both.

We've already got him outgunned, so lets use our position of strength and try to talk him down.

>>24045467
Well, given how Bazette has him at a stalemate with just the rod, a surprise attack could give her the chance to blast him

>>24045377
I'd prefer to end it quick. Arc and Gil are on the way, and we don't want to get caught in the crossfire when it ends up as a free-for-all clash.
There's also the matter of the other mage bleeding on the floor.

>>24045497
Yes, but if we fuck up even a little he'll either use Taiga as a meat shield or snap her neck.

I'm ok with taking risks when its our neck on the line, but trusting Taiga's life to /tg/ dice doesn't sit well with me.

>>24045464
Yes, they are. Vampires are steadily decaying due to being Mostly Dead. They drink the blood of their own species to get DNA liek their own once was, to repair the degrading strands. (For bullshit reasons, this is also why virgins are preferable - no mingling of other folks DNA, or some Nasu-ism bullshit like that).

Sunlight causes them some baseline damage. Young vampires get dusted quickly in sunlight, but the older and more potent ones are able to resist more and more. Someone like a Dead Apostle Ancestor could walk in the sun unscathed (e.g. Zelrecht or Merem Solomon can happily show up in a sunny Beach episode, but Roa has to take a hike)


Given that Shirou's time with Kotomine led to a basic primer on vampires (i.e. the expospeak bits to the Tsukihime Near Side routes), we can assume this to be true

>>24045497
She's not expecting back up. Either she might not react to the sudden opening or worse

>So is there a plan?

>>24045790

of course not.

>>24045790
We seem to be leaning towards "arrow the vamp", but the target and nature of the arrow are up in the air.

Can we get some more info on the rod? Do our Tracing senses tell us what it can do? >>24045361 suggested shooting a copy into the vamp's head.

>>24045105
>>24045238

Shoot to make Vampire drop Taiga

>>24045361
>>24045218
Gank the Vampire

>>24045119
>>24045467

Negotiate with Vampire/warn of Impending True Ancestor

>>24045832

>Shooting a blunt wooden object would be less effective than a normal 'magic bullet'. Or even a mundane wooden Arrow.

>Also, 'wand' doesn't fall under the vague purview of 'sword'. So you can't trace it effectively.

>>24045872
We need to mark out actions vs discussion with a checkbox. It's easier to read/calculate that way.

>>24045875
So there's nothing inherently threatening to vampires about the wand itself? Got it, thanks.

I still say we put an arrow through a shoulder muscle.

>>24045875
we go back and try to flag down Gil taunt him into helping us we could use a bit more daka before we assault the vamp

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Fuck it, magic arrow.

We're on a timer here, and we don't know how much time is left.

>>24045942
Kin-kaiser might be restricting himself with a bow, but I doubt he has any compunction about shooting hostages.

Speaking of which, I just realized how we can get Gil on our side: challenge him to a drinking contest, players have to provide their own drinks. Gil has a youth potion in his vault. Ko-Gil is a sweet kid.

>>24046040

He also has his own wine cellar in there.

He'll probably take it out first.

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>[x] Kill Vampire

Guys, guys, we have to kill the vamp before Arc gets here.

Think about it. Shiki clearly went with a variant of the Harem ending, so whats to stop Arc from having her own sub-harem while he's out of the country?

What does Arc love? Killing vampires.
What are we in a position to do? Kill a fucking vampire.

>>24046158
Dude, Arc is pretty much Tohnosexual.

>>24046158
Still a chance to [X]kill a vampire by tracing a Holy weapon and ganking it.

This seems viable.
I'd rather parlay and ask it what it's doing or who the hot woman is, but that's me.

>>24046040
If we get Ko-Gil, we set him up with Illya. Adorable wise-beyond-her-years sister get adorable rich-beyond-measure boyfriend.

>>24046152
Then why in gods name would he bother raiding the sacramental wine in F/Z? That stuff is fermented grape juice and not in the "drink of upper class gentlemen" way.

Besides, it's been in there for thousands of years, it'll be vinegar at this point. Not at all a drink for a king!

>>24046269

>Implying trifling matters like time affect his goldeness's wine cellar

>Not abasing yourself at his golden aura when he deigned to partake the 'wine' of common mongrels

>>24045555
Roa IS technically a Dead Apostle Ancestor; he was sired by a True Ancestor. He was kicked out of the official group because of "differing goals," which I like to think means Altrouge threw a bitch fit after Roa kicked her ass.

>>24046269
I think he did it to piss off kirei. He brought some of his wine out for the king's meeting

>>24046269
>Then why in gods name would he bother raiding the sacramental wine in F/Z?

Because he enjoys sampling modern stuff. Also, I think that was Kirei's (or maybe his Father's) personal stash, since Gil made a comment about him having a better selection than Tokiomi.

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>>24046342
Th...that voice! My king!

>>24046372
>>24046383
Yeah, as soon as I posted I hit myself, it's pretty obvious he really wanted an excuse to talk with Kirei more than anything.

Everything belongs to Gil. He just lets you hold onto it for him

>Alright, is there a course of action yet?

>Sorry about my delays. I was asked to look over someone's Doctoral homework.

>>24046463
I think it was gank, but I'm not sure what with, since there was talk of Gae Bolg or a holy weapon

Let's just Gae Bolg the Vampire's ass amd be done with it.

>>24046463
Nope, we went off on a tangent. As /tg/ does.

I vote for ganking.

I'll throw in a vote for
[x]Negotiate

>>24046463
Shoot his ass with a holy sword and then bumrush him.

>>24046463
Alright lets bring up Something magical and holy re-enforce ourselfs out the wazoo and gank him in the sides

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>>24046463
[X]Killing the vampire seems to be suggested.

>>24046362
I thought it was more the Dead Apostles focused their goals on working towards serving/defending the True Ancestor race, whle Roa was all "ARCUIED! YOU WILL BE MINE!" and the rest of them thought he was being a dildo about things.

Personally, I like the idea of Altrouge being all spoilt brat and getting pissy with Roa.

>>24046463
Shoot with holy weapon.

If we don't have a suitably holy murdery bit, then Gae Bolg.

>>24046596
>I thought it was more the Dead Apostles focused their goals on working towards serving/defending the True Ancestor race

Nrvnqsr and Wallachia obviously don't.

Just gonna repost this from the last thread.

>How about we use the conceptual gun and pull a quick double-tap before he can do anything? It might not kill him, but if he drops Taiga the girl (possibly Bazzet) can blast him.

He's holding Taiga like a human shield, so we can't exactly shoot a giant explodey-thing at him without, you know, ganking her with splash damage.

We just need to separate him from Taiga. Rod Girl is holding him off, Shinji we give no fucks about, and Arc's on her way. As is Gilgamesh.

We don't need a kill, we need to secure the hostages.

>>24045042
Gaebolg arrow to vampire head?

Would that even work? I know we can do it in a manner that doesn't make it explode.

>>24046719
>Gaebolg
>head
wat

>>24046749
Hrunting, maybe?

>>24046749
Well, concievably we could shoot gaebolg in a manner that it wouldnt explode and would still do nasty things to the vampire without hurting taiga.

>>24046773
We tend to overcharge our hrunting phantasms and they explode. Pretty sure gaebolg would work and kill the vamp... though if we fuck it up we could end up hurting taiga with it.

>>24046773
Have we encountered Hrunting yet?

I suggested Gae Bolg because you don't need to aim it and Vampires usually like their hearts.

>>24046805
Well, Archer did show his UBW to this Shirou. So most probably, yes.

>>24046773
Shirou really needs to make an item inventory. And appraise those unknown swords and weapons.

>>24046805
We can do both hrunting, gaebolg, K+B, and we've seen the gate of babylon opened a couple of times - we can do a *LOT* of noble phantasms.

And yeah, archer gave us his magic crest - so chances are if shirou from UBW route knew it, we do now too.

>>24046851
>Shirou really needs to make an item inventory. And appraise those unknown swords and weapons.

Unlimited Blade Works does that automatically.

>>24046719
>>24046749
>>24046749
>>24046874
>>24046880
We also likely have durandal, and quite a few other holy swords as well... I just go for gaebolg because its very nature goes "I kill things fucking *DEAD* and I literally rewrite probability so that I *always* hit".

>>24046953
It's a good sentiment, but the problem is Gae Bolg goes for the heart, every time.
Do we have Gae Buidhe? Wounds that cannot be healed naturally or by magecraft and all that.

>>24046663
>>24046818
>>24046802

Gae Bolg is a causality raping "I-hit no mater what" weapon.

Our shoo t it from a bow that is a conceptual weapon of "something that hits it's target".

I don't think we *can* miss.

>>24046953
>I literally rewrite probability so that I *always* hit".
Unless the target is not a Lancer, and thus has Luck better than D.

>>24047006
>>24047008
>>24047013
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Harpe

We could go with that - it apparently fucks up immortality.

>>24047008
>I don't think we *can* miss.
No, but it COULD go right through Taiga on the way there.

HAVE WE SERIOUSLY SPENT TWO HOURS DEBATING THIS?!

I vote for >>24046663

I don't want to Risk Taiga's life, this seems like the best plan.

>>24047008

Gae Bolg always hits the heart, and Taiga's being used as a human shield. How do we know it isn't going to hit it's mark THROUGH her?

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>>24047018
And it was in the Gate of Babylon. . .

>>24047013
For the record, Archer (Emiya) and Rider (under Sakura) have E-rank luck as well.

>>24047018
>>24047028

I'm not sure I want to use that in front of Rider.

For y'know... obvious reasons.

>>24046880
I meant in a way to benefit the quest players.

We know we copied some good swords from Archer's UBW and from Gil, but not everyone is aware of the full extent of those swords' capabilities.

Gae Bolg, Rule Breaker, Kanshou and Bakuya and other commonly used weapons already have their stats, but what about less commonly used blades?

>>24047035
>Archer
>E-rank luck
No wonder circumstances always contrived to keep him from killing Shirou.

>>24047013
Heh, I remember a doujin where Taiga is summoned as a Saber. Rank:EX Luck. She catches it under her arm

>>24047035
Aha, but Archer has something even better than luck on his side: Plot relevance.

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>>24047057
>a doujin where Taiga is summoned as a Saber
Link.
NOW.

>>24047020
>>24047027
Nasu himself has stated that taiga has EX rank luck.

>>24047046
d'ohohoho, that would be hilarious. Rider would be so pissed.

>>24047068
Eye of the Mind (True) helps too.

>>24047057
Imma need this
My waifu demands it

>>24047069

http://donmai.us/pools/558

This appears to be what they're talking about.

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>>24047119
Today is a good day for we Taiga fans.

http://donmai.us/pools/558

Wow, didn't think I'd find it again

>>24047119
aaaaand I'm slow

>>24047119
Thank you good sir
>>24047138
And you as well

Oh god people, pick an action already.

We can't do anything too crazy because Taiga's potential collateral.

So here, let's just pick something simple.

[ ] Negotiate.
[ ] Sucker-punch like >>24046663 suggested.

>>24047170
[x]Negotiate

>>24047069
There's also a fanfic where she's summoned as Saber: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5204307/1/Fuyuki-High-Class-Reunion

>>24047170
Suckerpunch

>>24047170

[X] Attack

>>24047170
[x] Sucker-punch

We've come to the decision that were going to shoot the vampire. Can we just let shirou consult ubw for the appropriate weapon be it gram, harpe, gaebolg or etc given that kirei has tl,dr; given him vampires 101

>>24047170
[X] Sucker punch!

>>24047170
We've had a majority going for

>[x] KILL MAIM BURN for a while now.

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>>24047138
>>24047119

Taiga Wins!
D'awww.

[X] Kill The Vampire Already.

>I know 'attack' had the majority, but the degrees and angles varied wildly. Thanks to >>24047170 Specifying, I now have a solid course to work with.

I release the swords, and draw the bow. Reshaping it into something like a pistol for faster work, I snap around the corner and take aim.

All eyes turn towards me with various levels of distress as I squeeze the trigger.

[DC12 Marksmanship]

Rolled 8

>>24047283

HEREICUMNAT1

Rolled 17

>>24047283

Rolled 6

>>24047283
>Shirou
>failing at aiming

It really shouldn't happen.

Rolled 18

>>24047283

Rolled 4

>>24047283
oh god not a diceroll

>>24047292
Haha yes!

>>24047300
F/SA rolls are d20s, mang.

Rolled 14

>>24047292

BASED ANON

Rolled 5

>>24047283
headshot

A thought strikes me as I squeeze the trigger.

Squeeze, not pull. Like Dad's book said.

As I squeeze the trigger, I notice how easy the process is. Line up the sights, squeeze trigger.

The first shot goes across his eyes, destroying his sunglasses and blinding him with a flash of blood and light. The second one goes through his jaw, and the next two hit him right in the side of the head.

He drops Taiga, and the woman lets loose a flash of fire that sends him through the wall.

I look at Taiga, and see that Shinji rolled over to somewhat soften her fall by using himself as a cushion.

I know I need to figure out the details of the situation, and soon.

[ ] Check out Taiga.
[ ] Check out the woman.
[ ] Check out the Vampire.

>>24047419
[x] Check out Taiga
[x] Tell the woman to make sure the Vampire's taken care of
[x] Run away with Taiga

>>24047419
>[X] Check out the Vampire.

KILL KILL KILL.

Rin can deal with the injured far better than we can. We are good at one thing, and it is shooting shit.

>>24047419
[x] Check out the vampire

We enter, shoot him, and exit scene in a matter of seconds.

>>24047419
GAEBOLG THE FUCKING THING, OR GRAM HOLY SWORD OF THE SUN THE FUCKER.

Others can take care of the wounded better than we can - we are just the sword that keeps other swords in their sheathes, we are the threat of violence that protects the innocent.

>>24047419
>[ ] Check out the Vampire.

Time for some good old-fashioned Kanshou and Bakuya action.

Rolled 12

>>24047419

>[ ] Check out Taiga.

RIDER. EVAC PLS

>>24047419
>[x] Check out Taiga.
Let Shirou do this.

>[ ] Check out the Vampire.
Let Rider do this.

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>>24047419
>[ ] Check out the Vampire.
Alright, trace Harpe and CUT OF HIS BLOODY HEAD!

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>>24047419
>[X] Check out the Vampire.
We just pulped his skull. Even a Vamp is going to take a moment to shake that off.

Lets end this threat here and now.

>>24047472
Kanshou and Bakuya don't do much to vampires - typically you need a conceptual weapon to kill dead apostles.

Gram would probably work as it's essentially the sun turned into a sword.

>>24047419
Tell for Taiga to get out, find Rin. Summon swords, kill vampire.

I would say, Summon Vampire Killer Belmont, but I don't think that exists in this continuity.

>>24047489
This.

Have Rider nab Taiga and get her away then quickly return, too.

>[x] Check out Taiga
We came here for one reason, the woman and the vampire can wait until we know that our onee-san is alright.

>>24047492
Or Harpe, since it's effect is "fuck your immortality".
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Harpe

>>24047419
I'd just like to point out

>Shinji rolled over to somewhat soften her fall by using himself as a cushion

Wow

>>24047492
>>24047517
There is only one solution here.

Dual Wield.

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>>24047419
Kill it with Fire

>>24047532
I guess he has to look out for his homeroom teacher

>>24047532
Yeah Shinji's almost redeemed himself with that one action.

Not enough for him to be forgiven, but enough for us to start hanging out again.

>>24047532

Good catch.

Actually impressed.

>>24047532
Also [X] Taiga

Yell something to Bazett if you feel like it

>>24047550
So, what, it's his head-chip-thing? As long as he stays out of our Weetabix, he might redeem himself yet. But if he eats all the Weetabix, he's dead.

>>24047532
OR it's ANOTHER shapeshifter!

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>>24047419
[X] Check out the Vampire.

Haha! Time for murder!

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>>24047586
>Time for murder!

>>24047419
Order Rider to secure Taiga.

Pull out an appropriate sword and gank the damn vamp. Maximum body reinforcement.

>>24047576
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT NO. NO IT ISN'T.
inb4 it totally is

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>>24047419
>[X] Check out the Vampire.

Vampires Regenerate.

THAT MEANS HE HAS REGENERATING GUTS!

RIP AND TEAR!

>>24047517
That's if we can even project harpe - it's not a sword, though it is a weapon, things that aren't swords are much harder to project (if even possible).

>>24047638
> It is described as a monster-killing holy sword that isn't actually an outstanding sword by itself.

Also, Gae Bolg.

>>24047638
well, it's a scythe on a stick, so it shouldn't be too different from a spear, which we can project

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>>24047638
>it's not a sword
Actually, the VN calls it a sword. Pic related.

>>24047693
Yeah if we're going to do this I'll nth the 'have Rider take Taiga to safety' since I don't really want to see her reaction to us pulling that thing out.

>>24047667
>>24047675
>>24047693
Heh, my bad then, I thought it was a polearm. We risk riders wrath by producing a sword used by Perseus to kill her though. If we've even seen it to project it.

>>24047735
I'm not sure she'd be angry, honestly. If you'll remember she wasn't that...happy as the Gorgon.

>>24047675

>Technically 'sword' is more like a blanket element that covers most melee weapons, it's just the closer to 'sword' it is, the easier it is.

>Technically, Shirou can project armor and even purely magical shields like Rho Aias.

>>24047693

>You know, I'm gonna just go ahead and say that's not accurate. That's not a sword. It counts as a 'sword' from a magical perspective, sure.

>My inner weapons geek, however, will force me to die of a stroke before I call any form of polearm a sword.

>>24047749
>My inner weapons geek, however, will force me to die of a stroke before I call any form of polearm a sword.
Indeed.

>>24047748

Well, I don't think she wants to see our herpes, regardless.

>>24047749
Well, its still a 'blade', isn't it?

>>24047771
Yeah, either way its only going to bring up bad memories. She'll either become angry or sad, neither of which we want.

>>24047782
But that allows us to console her (we didn't know what we did wrong), and give her a bike!.

>>24047749
PROJECT THE HERPE, KILL THE VAMPIRE.

Arcruied + Kirei be impressed. Gilgamesh and Avenger be *pissed*.

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While we wait to commit vampire murder (what do you call it when you kill a superior life form, anyway?), is anyone interested in a Shirou chart?

From right to left:

Extra: Heroic Spirit EMIYA
F/SN: Counter-Guardian EMIYA, also Avenger from hollow ataraxia (not technically a Shirou, but a Shirou nonetheless)
Prisma: Illya Shirou Kiri and Iri's adopted son, Shirou the second is an alternate reality Shirou and Miyu's older brother
Fate/Apocrypha: Kotomine Shirou, history unknown. Mention of a wife, so married to Caren Ortensia? Also that totally means that even a Shirou who takes after Kirei is better at accepting people than ours.

>>24047773

>In that it has sharp bits that could be used to cut, yes.

>It isn't a damn sword though.

>>24047782
>not wanting SadRider crying on our shoulder
That post is the gayest thing I've ever seen.
I've seen gay.
I've seen really, FLAMING gay.
And then, I have seen that post.

Sad isn't sexy, but it's a good chance to get in her good graces.

>>24047809
>>24047824
>wanting to manipulate people this horribly.

Wasn't Rin JUST bitching us out for this?

You know, it's a good thing that people give a flying fuck about Rider's feelings, but I'd like to point out something.

Summoning Harpe means NOT summoning Gram.

Gram is like a Holy Sword + THE SUN. As in Fuck bitches, smite Liches.

>Rider might have a sad.

Actually, that's a REALLY good argument for not summoning it. Remember what Rin said last thread? About Shirou doing the 'right thing' by acting like a dickbag?

About how that makes him a gigantic cunt?

Making Rider sad/angry ON PURPOSE so that we'd HAVE AN EXCUSE TO COMFORT HER and GAIN RIDER POINTS....

That's not even questionable. That's Kira level mustache twirling evil bullshit right there.

>>24047809
>>24047782
>>24047771

So, we're going to use our Blade to give the Vampire Herpes. Agreed?

>>24047872
I think this is more OOC scuttlebutt, since I can't imaging "You lost me" Shirou realizing it might upset her, especially not in the middle of a high speed combat situation.

>>24047891
Have we even seen either Herpe or Gram?

>>24047872
>>24047891

Wheatonmind.

>>24047903
We should use whatever is most effective, full stop.

Sounds to me like Gram might be the better choice, but either works.

>>24047919
Gilgamesh has them and they're some of the first ones out.

>>24047891
Thats why I'm suggesting we get Rider out of here by delegating Taiga-duty to her. Which is what we SHOULD be doing anyway because its too risky to leave her here and Rider's the fastest out of all of us, and thus won't be gone for long.

>>24047891
>Fuck bitches, smite Liches.
I'm sold, let's summon Gram.

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>>24047891
>Fuck bitches, smite Liches.

Welp, that settles it. Gram it is (assuming we have it).

>>24047872
Look, I'm just a sad lonely Riderfag who wants more of Best Servant.

>>24047891
>As in Fuck bitches, smite Liches.
Can't argue with this.

Gram time.

>>24047891

@ArmoredQuest: I can honestly say, I didn't expect someone to say 'Fuck bitches, smite Liches' in F/A of all places. I did however, laugh hysterically.

>>24047891
Gram is on par with excalibur. It really, really might be too hard for us to summon. Herpe however has the ability to specifically fuck with immortality a very, very fucking good thing when you're dealing with a vampire who literally rejects the concept of death.

We're not summoning it to fuck with rider, we're summoning it to kill something that doesn't die in the normal sense. Rider would understand, if she doesn't we explain that it was an impulse action.

>>24047919

Gram's canonically in the UBW, so we have that at least. Not 100% sure on Harpe, but Gil used it in that route, and Archer came from there, so he probably had a copy when we were cribbing notes from him.

>>24047913
>>24047932

I'm voting Gram.

Not because of emotions, but because when I think 'I need to kill this motherfucker as hard as possible, as fast as possible' I don't think of a weird ass spear thing.

>>24047958
If this pans out, I'm sure well have an
>[ ] Epic Rider brofist
option coming up soon. Fear not.

>>24047987
Shirou got crash course in vampires from kirei, while vampires are weak to the sun - they fucking *reject the concept of death*. I don't think gram could do it, while herpe HAS KILLED IMMORTALS BEFORE and can do so again.

Herpe is a sure thing, gram is not.

>>24048020
Look, if a Holy sword with a legend on the level of Gram can't cut it, I seriously doubt Herpe will either, specialisation or not.

>>24047981
I think (correct me if I'm wrong here) that the reason Excalibur is so hard to summon is that its primary power is the giant FUCK YOU LASER BEAM, because that takes a metric fuckton of mana.

>>24048020
Well.

We could leave Gram next to him and interrogate him if it doesn't kill the bastard.

Then we could come up with an excuse to get Rider away and Harpe him.

>>24048035
>Holy Sword Gram.

Gram is a demonic sword. It *rivals* holy swords, and it is a sword of the sun, but it is a demonic sword.

As stated before, the only guaranteed way to kill vampires is to use conceptual weapons that replace their rejection of the concept of death by superimposing the concept of limited lifespans or 'hey, your wounds actually affect you fucker', herpe has killed immortals, it is good for killing more.

>>24048044
Excalibur is hard to summon because of its level as a np and because it's less sword and more 'crystallized wish for glory'.

>>24048049
Honestly, rider in all likelyhood would understand why we used an immortal killing weapon on an immortal, regardless of her own personal feelings / personal history with said weapon.

I think herpe is also heavily outvoting gram at the moment and would like to proceed.

Forget choosing a girl, we could spend entire threads choosing a weapon

>>24048044

Excalibur is impossible for Shirou to trace as it is made by fairies. The one you see him use in Heaven's Feel is a cobbled together amalgamation made by EMIYA. His version of Excalibur was pet project. He never used it, though. He was called a Hero Blacksmith for a reason.

When Shirou used it on Angry Manjew, we see EMIYA's pet project was actually a success.

I yell for Rin and Rider to check on Taiga and the wounded woman, and I begin to move after the Vampire.

Like I suspected, he's regenerating and running away. I pursue him, and in my minds eye I begin to give shape to a sword I can kill him with.

In my minds eye, I can already see it. The sword Sigurd drew from the tree, Gram.

[DC14 Magecraft]

>>24048113
There's a difference?
Also: Ask Bazett if she can keep the vampire at bay. If yes, check on Taiga first. If no (or any form of hesitation), make sure the vampire is dead before you do anything.

Rolled 15

>>24048156

Rolled 12

>>24048156
Fuck bitches, smite Liches.

Rolled 4

>>24048156

Rolled 4

>>24048156

Rolled 3

>>24048156

C'mon natural 1.

Rolled 1

>>24048156
Dice!

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>>24048156
awwww yeaaaah

>>24048169
Woo hoo! I did it!

Rolled 9

>>24048156
Heh, I was just doing a tally too.. Gram and Herpe were actually very close to tied

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>>24048162
>There's a difference?
Yes. Nobody's made an anime with swords as cute girls yet.

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>>24048178
no words only shame, so glad its so far down

>>24048156
Part of the reason I would have gone for herpe is it likely would have made arcruieds subsequent fight with the vamp easier.

>>24048178
No more rolling for you.

>>24048105
>>24048119

>Yeah, Shirou can't project Excalibur because it's made from things he can't duplicate.

>Since he can see the shape of it though, he can make something Excalibur shaped enough to fulfill the same function. Since it's even more flawed than most projections, it's a lot harder for him to use and why he said activating it will kill him.

>That's also why he can't project Ea at all. Not only is it made from things he can't replicate, he can't comprehend the shape and function.

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>>24048169
Silly vampire, you cannot outrun sword-bullet!

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Oh right, did you guys see this years April Fools?

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>>24048234
I would totally buy it.

>>24048214
AC-Guy... how would rider have reacted to seeing herpe used against GIANT ENEMY VAMPIRE, out of curiosity, not metagame.

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>>24048234
Yep.

>>24048246
It was an actual... game, I guess, they slowly released on their site. I can't even read moon and I found it hilarious.

I actually made it to the thread. Somehow. Sorry for asking you on twitter to post it AC-Guy, I didn't think I'd make it at all.
Link to the updated Ebook: http://www.mediafire.com/?391u15dses2syyc

I grasp the hilt as it comes to me, and swing it with all the force I can manage. With my structural magic, that's quite a lot.

His eyes return, blood red and hateful as he throws up an arm to block it and jumps back.

The blade cleaves his arm like it wasn't there, and leaves a shallow cut all the way down his chest. From the moment it touches his flesh it lights up with an impossible flash. It's like wielding the sun itself. It should be blinding, but instead the excessive illumination seems to only make things clearer. It dims again to a soft glow and then the same cool silver it was before as it stops slashing.

The vampire freezes where it lands from it's leap, several paces away. It opens it's mouth, and slowly a scream claws out of it's mouth. High and screeching.

Inhuman.

Pained.

Terrified.

Despite myself, I slowly start to smile imagining the end of the fight. Striking him down for trying t hurt Taiga, for whatever he did to that woman before I got here.

He starts to move, like he's going to run away.

[DC10 Combat check]

Rolled 20

>>24048339
NAT 20 PLZ?

Rolled 12

>>24048339
GOOOOOOO

Rolled 1

>>24048339

Fuck youuuu

>>24048355
BWAHAHAHA VICTORY!

>>24048355
Oh my god.

>>24048355
Nat 20 it is.

Rolled 18

>>24048355
well he's dead

Rolled 6

>>24048339
Smite bitches, fuck liches.

Rolled 1

boop?

>>24048355
>>24048361

...

>>24048355
>>24048361


Oh shit.

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Rolled 15

>>24048339
FINISH HIM

>>24048355
>>24048361
Nat 20 cancels out nat 1 right?

Rolled 20

>>24048361
>>24048355
>>24048375

>>24048361
>Fuck youuuu
Right back at you.

>>24048375
>>24048361

Your rolling privleges are hereby revoked.

Rolled 3

>>24048375
FUUUU----

at least mine doesn't count

>>24048383
Okay, now this is just getting silly.

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>>24048383

>>24048383
>>24048375
>>24048361
>>24048355
WHAT IS HAPPENING

>>24048383

Oh FFS

>>24048361
YOU FUCKING DICKBAG, YOU CANCELED OUT MY CALLED SHOT, DOUBLES, NAT 20 WITH YOUR STUPID FUCKING ROLL.

DELETE IT. DELETE IT NOW. THIS ROLL IS AN EYESORE.

>>24048355
>>24048361
wut?

>>24048393
MAGIC!

>>24048355
and
>>24048361
cancel

leaving >>24048356
for the success!

>>24048355
>>24048356
>>24048361

Its all good guys, we've still got a net of 1 success, and thats all we need. We might be denied our CUHRAZY DMC-style finishing move, but eh.

>>24048339

>Smile
>Murder
>Evil smile

Uh guys? Isn't Gram a cursed sword?

Doesn't it's name literally translate to something like Hate/Wrath?

Maybe not the best idea to summon it considering that we're both slightly unstable and quite possibly a demon that feeds on emotion.

I mean, the crit storm might have distracted from it a bit, but....

>>24048432
Oh fuck.

>>24048432
bit late for that

>>24048432
And you fuckers thought it was a better idea than Harpe.

>..... What the fuck just happened?

>Whatever. You guys made it, I'm writing up the next bit.

>>24048432
This CREATURE deserves all of our WRATH! This CREATURE tried to hurt TAIGA! This CREATURE is an EYESORE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE! THIS CREATURE!

>>24048432
>LETS USE THE CURSED DEMONIC SWORD WHEN WE'RE UNSURE OF THE STATUS OF OUR OWN SOUL FIGHTING SOMETHING EVIL AND POWERFUL INSTEAD OF THE RELATIVELY MUNDANE SWORD THAT JUST SO HAPPENS TO KILL IMMORTALS AND FUCK UP REGENERATION.

Best. Plan. Ever.

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Two crits. Two crit fails. One of each in counted rolls.

Oh my god what. AC-Guy, what is your face?

>>24048456
Yes. Because no matter what happens, it's going to be awesome.

>>24048481
one crit success, one crit fail - only the first 3 count.

>>24048432
well, according to the wiki, the curse is to kill a man each time it is used, so it might not be too bad

>>24048498
Yes, that's what he said.

>>24048505
>Two crits. Two crit fails.

Is not.

>>24048514
>One of each in counted rolls.
Is.

>>24048514
>>24048521
LADIES, YOU'RE BOTH PRETTY. Now shut up, some of us are here for the actual quest.

>>24048503
Hopefully Vampires count.

I mean, they aren't "Men" per se, but then again, what is a man? Besides a miserable pile of secrets, of course

>>24048542
>implying a man is anything else

>>24048542
Vampires were men, once.

I'm pretty sure they're still biologically male too.

>>24048503
Never mind, that's tyrfing instead. I probably should go to sleep

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>>24048542
A man is a miserable pile of secrets.

Dead Apostles tend to also have miserable piles of secrets.

Ergo, Vampires qualify as "men". We're all good here.

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>>24048503

>>24048584
>>24048589
Man mind

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Rolled 20

But enough talk, have at you!

I close the gap too quickly for him to stop me and spin the sword.

A quick upward slash removes the other arm when he tries to block it.

A low swipe takes his legs at the knee when he tries to run, and I impale him through the heart to finish the fight. He shudders for a moment, and then lies still. I draw out the sword, mind reflecting back. I didn't expect the blade to be this powerful.

I stare at the sword, a small smile tugging at my lips. My mind wanders back over to the woman. An enemy? Another asset in the war?

I turn back towards the shed, and begin walking.

Something.... something about what just happened bothers me, but i can't place it as I give my sword a few more weighing swings.

[DC12 conscience check]

Rolled 14

>>24048641
His body is made of dice.

>>24048635

...

Rolled 5

C'mon

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>>24048641

Rolled 7

>>24048641
COME ON NAT 1

Rolled 12

>>24048641
Fail this one.

>>24048653
>>24048641

We good. We moral.

>>24048653
Glorious success

>>24048635

>Alright, this is just getting silly.

>>24048655
thankfully that doesn't count as it wasn't linked

>>24048653
So.
"I am the bone of my dice" doesn't work.
But the recursive translation DOES.
The fuck?

Rolled 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 20

>>24048678
Check this out.

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>>24048653
awwww yeaaaaah.
Lets see to the wounded, then have a big "We killed an enemy without royally fucking up" party back at our place. If Gil asks, he's invited if he provides the booze.

>>24048691
/tg/ dice are a fickle master

>>24048717
War's off while the party's on? Sounds good to me.

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>>24048717
>have a big "We killed an enemy without royally fucking up" party

>Something.... something about what just happened bothers me, but i can't place it...

We totally forgot to ad-lib an awesome pre-kill or post-kill one-liner.

>>24048797
Shit. Quick, we've still got time, we need a sword joke.

>>24048797

Sunny side up?

I throw the sword down and banish it, letting the shape and image leave my mind as it vanishes, and I promptly vomit.

That wasn't just violent it was... unnatural.

... No, it wasn't unnatural at all. I take a deep breath and suppress a shudder. It was perfectly natural. There's a not small part of me that wanted to make him suffer a painful death for threatening Taiga like that. Because he had no right to do anything like that to her. She's my friend, my Family. MINE.

I resist the urge to puke again.

It's not a nice realization. Realizing that however, makes me realize something else. That sword, Gram. It's powerful, but part of it's power relies on the wielder's own conviction and strength. It drew that part of me to the surface to help me. It's not evil, it just desires victory. My own hate and anger was the perfect catalyst for it....

I shudder to think of what might have happened if I went back tot that shed still holding it.

I take a deep breath to steady myself as I resume walking back to the shed. Now that I know what it feels like... what it can do.... I think I can control it. Keep me from completely turning evil or something just by holding it.

I can also tell that it takes a lot out of me to summon. Almost twice as much as when I summoned Gae Bolg in the forest. I think that if I was fully rested I could maybe do it only three or four times before I passed out from exhaustion. Right now, I think I wouldn't even be able to summon another.

I shake my head to clear the last of the concerns from my head before I enter the shed.

Rin's holding Taiga's head in her lap, gently cupping either side with her hands. Shinji seems to have wiggled his way against the wall so he could sit up.

Rider and the woman are currently watching each other closely, rod only having lowered a fraction of an inch as she tries to continue the standoff.

[ ] Check on Taiga.
[ ] Check on Shinji.
[ ] Attempt to calm the woman.

>>24048867
[X] Calm the woman down.

>>24048867
>[ ] Check on Taiga.

>>24048867
[x] Check on Taiga.

>>24048432
>>24048432

In the original version? No. it depends which variation of legend you use. Gram/Notung/Balmung is basically the same sword from different versions of the german/nordic mythology. In the Nibelungenlied it also works differently.

Basically Balmung was made by Odin and he placed in an appletree and only "the chosen one" would be able to take it out.
So Sigmund, Sigurds Father manages to pull it out and use it for a time before Odin goes "LOLNOPE!" and destroys the blade.
Sigmund dies but tells his wife to gather the shards for his son, Sigurd.
Sigurd grows up as a blacksmith, receives the shards, forges "Gram" with it. The he kills a Dragon, avenges his father and dies like a bitch. Hagen then takes the sword and also dies like a bitch due to backstabbery/revenge after that apparently Attila has the sword and uses it for some time, before he also dies like a bitch.

So.. its basically a very powerful sowrd but somehow anyone who uses it dies like a bitch after some time. In most cases to backstabbery.

>>24048867
[x]Taiga first. Priorities straight, Shirou.

We do want to talk to the woman though. After all, we're friends of a friend!

Rolled 6

>>24048867
[x] Attempt to calm the woman.

She needs to get her bloody shit in order.

>>24048867
>[X] Attempt to calm the woman.

"Yo, the bloodsucker is dead, can we all just calm down now? In any case, we might want to vacate the area before a certain King of Heroes butts in and starts asking awkward questions and shooting golden swords everywhere."

>>24048867
[x] Check on Taiga

>Now that I know what it feels like... what it can do.... I think I can control it.
That's right Dresden, let Winter in.

>>24048912
HEY. No spoilers. I haven't read Cold Days yet.

>>24048867
[x] Attempt to calm the woman.
"Rider, she could have just blasted Taiga. She's not an enemy."

>>24048918
I won't say anything more then. But Shirou sounded a lot like Harry in that post. So, good going AC-Guy, in case you ever want to run a magic-noir quest.

>>24048867
>[X] Attempt to calm the woman.

C'mon lady, is this your first time as a Damsel in Distress? You're supposed to leap into my arms after I kill the monster, not point a magic blasty-stick at me.

>>24048937
Harry Dresden gets summoned as Caster. What happens?

>>24048950
"I should know, I've been one several times!"

>>24048951
He and Archer spend their entire fight quipping at each other.

>>24048867
Yeah, from now on unless in state of extreme emergency were using harpe on immortals rather than gram. I especially don't trust that shirou thinks he can control it.

I'd rather take the relatively mundane 'sword' with the special property "kills immortals" than the crazy amazing sword that kills everything including immortals but is cursed and could do some serious shit to our own sanity and possibly cause us to kill friends.

Use the right tool for the job.

>>24048951
He immediately starts complaining about the settings utterly nonsensical magic system.

>>24048867
>[ ] Attempt to calm the woman.

Keep a level head. We're Swordy Mc Sword Sword, we can't improve Taiga's situation.

Little Ms Paranoia over here though, she can most certainly make the situation worse if she freaks out and Magic Missile's our ass.

>>24048937

>Actually tempting.

>However, AC-Quest isn't getting enough love and I think I need to finish F/A before I start another Quest on the side.

>Heh. Sidequest.

>>24048951

>Snark off between Shirou/Lancer/Archer/Dresden.

>Makes it to the end due to extreme combat pragmatism that rivals Kiritsugu.

>Immediately shoots Kirei in the face because Genre Savvy.

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>>24048976
>Magic Missile's
>Missile's

Brb, committing Sudoku

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>>24048969
Nope, we're using Gram whenever we can from now on.

We can control it.

>>24048918
if you haven't read Side Jobs, definitely read that before Cold Days.