Hello /tg/! Updated news: Thirty-two stores in 18 states, two Canadian provinces, the UK and Sweden have agreed to take copies of Engine Heart!Because a few stores have asked me to run a demonstration or provide other literature, I'm putting together a micro-module with a simple premise and premade robots. A print copy of the micromod will be sent to each store along with the other books, and also available as a pdf on the wiki.One of the stretch goals will be a line of Joints & Jivers miniatures made for POD on Shapeways (a 3D printing site). Since /tg/ is the best board, I wanted to see if anyone had suggestions for specific characters. Descriptions, MS Paint doodlings, whatever. So far we've got a Square in a suit, a Charles Bronson-type Detective, Afrodite (foxxy soul sister), Willow (New Age girl), an Evel Knievel-type Motorhead, and Charlie (Charles Manson).
I'd like to get more stores involved, so if you have a FLGS that you want to get some free copies of Engine Heart, send me their deets and I'll let them know about this! Stores so far:USABOSCO'S (Anchorage, AK)Orbital Games (Sierra Vista, AZ)Brookhurst Hobbies (Garden Grove, CA)Get Your Fun On (West Melbourne, FL)Titan Games and Comics (Smyrna, GA)Beckmon's Gaming Paradise (Twin Falls, ID)Fair Game (Downers Grove, IL)Games Plus (Mount Prospect, IL)The Game Preserve (Indianapolis, IN)Modern Myths (Northampton, MA)Universe Games (Minneapolis, MN)CheckMate Games & Hobbies (Toledo, OH)Gaming Grounds (Kent, OH)Guardian Games (Portland, OR)Rainy Day Games (Aloha, OR)Big Robot Games (Greer, SC)The Nerdery Nashville (Nashville, TN)Collected (Ft. Worth, TX)Dragon's Lair Comics & Fantasy (Austin, TX)Tribe Comics & Games (Austin, TX)The Silver Unicorn (Hopewell, VA)Batcave Games (Vancouver, WA)The Dreaming Comics and Games (Seattle, WA)Games & Gizmos (Redmond, WA)Noble Knight Games (Janesville, WI)Pink Bunny Games (South Milwaukee, WI)CanadaFandom II Adventure Games and Miniatures (Ottawa, ON)Craving For A Game (Surrey, BC)YuropScience Fiction Bokhandeln (Stockholm, Sweden)Rules of Play (Cardiff, UK)The Gamers' Emporium (Swansea, UK)Orcs Nest (London, UK)
I also pinged an artist about producing art for a GM screen, which will be another stretch goal beyond the run of J&J.Before the J&J minis, however, is a set of 28mm modular robot parts (torsos, treads, arms, cameras, tools, etc) so players can mix and match to create their own robots.Anyway, if you want to see Engine Heart on shelves near you, let me know and I'll see what I can do!
The only thing I can think of is a very intelligent and charming 'Bot who unfortunately got his head torn off and has to be carried around in a Duffel bag by the other PCs.
>>23848489Hey, I drew a guy like that one time.
>>23848489>The only thing I can think of is a very intelligent and charming 'Bot who unfortunately got his head torn off and has to be carried around in a Duffel bag by the other PCs.Presenting the Charmaton, or at least the head from one. It can roll along the ground at an impressive 1 km/h, but it's pretty helpless otherwise. However, it's extremely well-spoken and knows an incredible amount about a lot of different topics. Luckily its battery was in the head or else it wouldn't even be able to charge. Hopefully this is in line with what you had in mind!
>>23848825>>23848589Definately adorable. Oh, the adventures they'll have!
>>23848932If he had his body back (or if you wanted to stat up Winona Ryder), it'd be Size 4.
If it was 1997 and I got a chance to "stat up" Wynona Rider...But I digress. What's the procedure on propositioning Game Stores. Should we walk in and ask them, or do you want us to just give you their info?
There's been some hints and rumors that complete hardcover editions would be available through the kickstarter... I've mentioned Engine Heart a few times to the owner of my FLGS but I haven't really pressured him to pick up on the offer, just more or less hinted. Before I go and start really guilting him into it, will any full editions be available to retailers, or is that something only through the kickstarter? It would kinda suck to put all the pressure on a store owner only to find out I couldn't get all the content...
>>23848111>The Dreaming Comics and Games (Seattle, WA)>Games & Gizmos (Redmond, WA)Hell yeah, motherfucker.
>>23851135Yeah, I spoke to Cory on Viral's behalf over at the Dreaming.
>>23848241Wait, I thought you would be doing a GM screen for Engine Heart? I would rather that.
>>23851567Thanks!>>23851800Correct. GM screen is for EH. Sorry if that was confusing.
>>23850371>There's been some hints and rumors that complete hardcover editions would be available through the kickstarter... True fax.>I've mentioned Engine Heart a few times to the owner of my FLGS but I haven't really pressured him to pick up on the offer, just more or less hinted. Before I go and start really guilting him into it, will any full editions be available to retailers, or is that something only through the kickstarter?Printing costs to produce the hardcover collection will put it outside of normal distribution channels - the only way to get one will be during the KS proper. Here's the deal, though: retailers will be getting copies of the books for free, as seen here >>23848111 . That's the whole point of the KS - to get Engine Heart out to a wider audience. Engine Heart, the Power and Light expansion module, Joints & Jivers, and maybe even Rivet.
Viral, I love you and what you do. I will speak to my FLGS about carrying your product.Was there an actual Kickstarter at one point?
>>23854485Kickstarter is to come, my good friend.
wat is dis abaut
I wonder if anyone on /tg/ owns an LGS
>>23854485>Was there an actual Kickstarter at one point?This is part one of the KS: getting enough stores to agree to take copies so when I start the actual KS I have a list of FLGSs ready to receive them. I'm going to have a run of 250 copies of Engine Heart and another 250 copies of Power and Light printed up (and 250 copies of Joints & Jivers as the first stretch goal). Stores that agree to take copies will get them for free - the KS will be to pay for the printing and shipping. Other stretch goals include the robutt GM screen, miniatures (first for EH, then J&J and finally Modempunk), and some other stuff that I don't want to promise until I get talent lined up to produce it.The actual Kickstarter is planned to start at the beginning of April.>>23854545See above.>>23854569>I wonder if anyone on /tg/ owns an LGSI dunno, but a lot of neckbears either work at one or are friends with the owner of one.
>>23854485>Viral, I love you and what you do. I will speak to my FLGS about carrying your product.Thank you, by the way. If you tell me the name of your FLGS and the town it's in, we can both bug them.
>>23855098Good Games Melbourne in Melbourne, Australia. Ask for Russel, he's the manager (assuming he's in at the time).
Kickstarter is always some kind of scam.
>>23855128Australia, huh? My first store down under! Email sent!>>23855147This is actually three scams all running concurrently with each other. I figure if everything works out I'll have just enough money to purchase Bolivia.
>>23849804>But I digress. What's the procedure on propositioning Game Stores. Should we walk in and ask them, or do you want us to just give you their info?You can either email me and I'll do it, or you can bring this in and give it to them.
>>23855210Bolivia? Is Venezuela outside your price range or was something else in play?
>>23855210All hail the people's republic of boliviral!
>>23856162You mean Viralzuela? What do you think really killed Hugo Chavez?
>>23856162>>23856341It's gonna be renamed Viralzuela, if I reca- >>23856469...Carry on.
Near the edge of the board bump.
Micromod is about done, but now it's time to go play Traveller.I'll post it here if I finish it tonight.
>>23860816The Traveller storytime or the micromod?
>>23860830Both if you want, but I meant the micromod.
Comics Compulsion in Christchurch, New Zealand. Tim and John are the main guys. I think Tim is the owner and John is just a pretty good guy that's way up there. Can you have a swarm of sentient bolts as a character? Just for us who are a little nervous about actual roleplaying.
>>23860854I would never turn down storytime.
>>23860859>Comics Compulsion in Christchurch, New Zealand.Will do!>Can you have a swarm of sentient bolts as a character?You're not the first to ask about a swarm. It's just never worked out well rules-wise.
>>23848066If you played up the idie and kid friendly aspect you might be able to see the idea to Little Island Comics in Toronto. (make it attention Andrew Butcher) They specialize in comics for kids but this might sell for them as well.Snakes and Lattes is a place in the city that allows patrons to play boardgames and also just opened up a larger sales portion. It is one of the first in the city and is always looking of something fun. The Labyrinth (also in TO) is another possibility and 401 Games might also be an option.
>>23861064Ok. A large sentient bolt that is looking for the robot from whence it came. Or a large finger. That crawls like a caterpillar and has extra bits that come out of it when it needs fine motor skills.
>>23860859>>23861105Sent!>I forgot to make the Little Island one "attention Andrew Butcher"
>>23861298Those are a lot easier to do.
>>23861422Cool. If they end up stocking it then I'll get a copy from them, unless the kickstarter is dangerously underfunded. I downloaded EH when it first came out and gave it a quick read over. What I read was pretty good, but I don't have a rpg group to actually try it out.>>23861453Can... I... do something to create this ... caterdigit? Do you want me to sculpt a model or something?
>>23861522>Can... I... do something to create this ... caterdigit? Do you want me to sculpt a model or something?There's a feature called Flexible Body that's just perfect for this.
>>23861105Someone else had suggested 401 games a few weeks ago, but they didn't respond the first time.They agreed this time, though!That makes 33 stores!
>>23854837>miniaturesI have been wondering about how one would go about getting minis made for a game. It feels like it would be really expensive and run the risk of putting the budget into the red but lots of kickstarters do it. How do you go about getting minis made for a game?
>>23864267>I have been wondering about how one would go about getting minis made for a game. It feels like it would be really expensive and run the risk of putting the budget into the red but lots of kickstarters do it. How do you go about getting minis made for a game?The way I'm doing it is: I found a guy who makes 3D models for stuff on Shapeways. He was involved with a company making a line of historical battle minis, and his work is really good. If the KS makes it that far, he'll make the models on commission, then I'll put the designs up on Shapeways and anyone that wants them can order them to be made. The minis themselves are pretty cheap to produce.
You could try contacting my FLGSOther Realms, in Honolulu Hawaii
>>23853768>maybe even RivetDon't even tease me, Viral.
>>23864323>ShapewaysCool, Have you ever ordered things on Shapeways before? How is the detail level on minis?
>>23865056I know that Mineways did their stuff through Shapeways and got some excellent results with coloured sandstone.
>>23865128I like. I just worry I'm going to have to buy three sets of the robot parts because I'll want to make HUGE ones.
>>23865337That's the spirit! You're not kickstarting properly until you're backing to maximise the amount of merch you get.
>>23864323Have you looked at the price on Shapeways for the Detailed and ultra detailed materials? You are talking $10-20 per mini. That's not really what I would call "cheap"
>>23865742Maybe he plays 40K and it skewed his standards.
>>23865742Maybe there is some sort of discount if the company is making a "model line" or something... >>23864323I haven't done any 3d modelling like that before. I'd love to learn but maybe I'll just make some models for Comics Compulsion if they decide to stock the book. Any word of if they've replied?
Rolled 179, 215, 450 = 844>>23865742I don't think they'll be detailed or ultra-detailed. I imagine we're mostly working with cubes of various shapes.
>>23848111>Fandom IIHey, I live in Ottawa.Haven't been in there yet but I will check it out to namedrop Engine heart.
>>23865056>>23865742I dunno, the minis I looked at were pretty cheap so long as you didn't pick the really expensive base metals. I'm always open to new suggestions if you don't think Shapeways is the way to go.>>23864897I think I already did!>>23865002I would never tease anybody about anything.>>23866738>I'd love to learn but maybe I'll just make some models for Comics Compulsion if they decide to stock the book. Any word of if they've replied?I don't think I ever sent them an email! I'd better fix that...
>>23866863Oh wait, yeah I did. They just have a weird email address. They probably won't reply for a little while, since it's... hmm... I suppose it's already Monday afternoon there. Maybe they'll check their email before they go home today.
>>23867019Yeah, they'll be close to closing by now. Hopefully you'll hear back from them. Cold calling/emailling is probably something that companies tend is just flat out ignore if they are not in the right frame of mind/finance.
>>23867218I'm really surprised with how many stores have said *yes*, honestly.
>>23867264Maybe GW's recent middle finger to independent retailers has had a positive outcome?What size/scale bases/models are you looking at? At the moment I've got time for something requires finer detail since my only other current projects are large scale terrain building like flocking a gaming board, so filling that void with a Disintegrated-Iron-Man-HotT-army-that-doubles-as-EH-figures would be great fun.
>>23867264the word Free, even if it has a little asterisk after it, is always welcome in the life of a small business owner, especially one that gets by on the margins that hobby/comic/geekery shops tend to live on in these days of being squeezed by publishers on one side and the internet on the other.
>>23867386>What size/scale bases/models are you looking at?28mm, so they'd be compatible with most other lines of RPG minis.>>23867411Yeah, a few people have wanted more details spelled out in writing, but most people just say "Sounds great, send us some books!"
Hey viral, quick question.At what point did you first show this game to /tg/? How much or it was there? I'm working on a project but I am terrified to show anyone but my closest friend what I've done so far.
>>23867568>At what point did you first show this game to /tg/? How much or it was there? I'm working on a project but I am terrified to show anyone but my closest friend what I've done so far.June 30th, 2009.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/5055372/This is the first Engine Heart threadhttp://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/5075043/And this is the second.The rule system was in place, but it was still pretty bare-bones. A lot of the attribute combo pools hadn't been developed yet, and some of the attributes weren't fully implemented (Buffer, for example, started out being called Sensor Strength and didn't have as much to do with the character as the other attributes). There were also fewer features and defects, including some that were dropped for being out of place with the rest of the rules. I've found that presentation is the key to getting people interested in looking at it with enough scrutiny to give you good feedback. A good-looking layout is much nicer to read and helps ease people into the reading. Even a cover image helps.
>>23867762>Even a cover image helps.Funny enough I already made a little mock cover a while ago while day dreaming out loud. So I guess I'll at least have that point for me.
>>23864012YES!!!!!!!! I like them. they are so much better than the creepy Hairy Tarantula next door. I got all my Star Wars X -wing minis from them.
I'm going to talk to my FLGS about it, although I'm uncertain how to go about it, since I've only ever visited a few times. I don't know the staff very well.I'm guessing most of the stores that accepted were pretty buddy -buddy with the anons, no?
>>23869403Nein. I didn't approach my store, Viral did.If you feel that you might not be able to convince your FLGS owner, get Viral to contact them as well.
>>23869493I would love for my store to stock these, so I think I'll ask Viral to do it.
>>23869403>I'm guessing most of the stores that accepted were pretty buddy -buddy with the anons, no?Most of them were just "This store is close to me, here's the name of it". Very few told me "make sure you use my name". What's the name of your FLGS?
I just got a mailer daemon reply from Gecko Books in Honolulu... from an email I sent them five days ago. Apparently their email isn't their email anymore, so if Hawaiian neckbro is around, please let me know if you know what their new email is.
Viral, I hate to bother you about something unrelated to the thread, but would you mind posting that link to the Inversion city generator again? I've lost my copy and all records of me downloading it, somehow. At least I can bump this thread back up to the top.
>>23872092Shoooo.... let's see, I think I still have it up:http://www.mediafire.com/?775kv1l6yfirvm0Here you go!
>Hey there Viral - >Unfortunately we don't stock RPG games, just board/card games, so we're not going to be able to help you out! Best of luck though.Awww... Snakes and Lattes said no. LIFE GOES ON!
>>23872675Many many thanks. I've stuffed it in my Dropbox this time, to avoid a repeat.
>>23872889No prob, it's a great program.
>>23871587>I just got a mailer daemon reply from Gecko Books in Honolulu... from an email I sent them five days ago. Apparently their email isn't their email anymore, so if Hawaiian neckbro is around, please let me know if you know what their new email is.I know Gecko Books has a twitter and a Facebook, but it might not be worth your time. The owner has a reputation for being a bit cantankerous.
>>23872712>we don't stock RPG games, just board/card gamesReally...? It seems like a good market to cater to, even if it's just a shelf in the back.
>>23877508The website listed on the owner's Twitter page is dead:http://geckobookscomics.marvelretailers.com/and the email: firstname.lastname@example.org is what prompted the does-not-compute mailer daemon response. I guess I could call them on the phone, but I hate cold-calling places...>>23877531Well, I wouldn't say no if you wanted to go tell them in person, but I think they're set on not taking RPGs.
>>23877594>I guess I could call them on the phone, but I hate cold-calling places...It's probably not worth it in this case. Like I said, cantankerous...
>>23877692Eh, I'll still do it. What's the worst he's gonna do, yell at me? That already happened with Nan's in Houston.
>>23870515Hey Viral, sorry for the late response.The store is called LA Mood. It's in London, Ontario, Canada. Here's their website.http://www.lamoodcomics.com/Great place, fantastic staff. I'm sure they'll be game.
>>23878735At first glance I thought that website said Lame-o Comics.
OK, the raw text of the micromod is finished. Time to pump it up with fancy InDesign layout and make some charsheets, then I'll post it here.And maybe storytime that Traveller game from last night.
>>23861105If your bugging toronto, you should bug the silver snail and the hairy tarantuala. 401 games is good but basically those 3 are like 80% of the rpg trade in toronto. Snakes and latte's are a boardgame coffeebar, they'll probably comp a few but dont expect to move volume there.
>>23880463>silver snail>hairy tarantula>401 gamesi've been to all of those but hairy tarantula. all my friends say the staff there are assholes.
>>23880463Already talked to the others, but I'll email the Silver Snail. Thanks!
Ausfag here. I reccomend you ask the various Good Games and Mind Games franchises around Melbourne. I personally go to Good Games and Mind Games in the city, and they might be receptive to Engine Heart.
>>23848111Hey do me a favor and contact a place called Universal Bits and Games in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, US.I'm sure they'd take it.You should tell me what they say afterward, I'll be in the threads.
Wait a sec, Viral. You're printing off the books and if they sell, you'll collect 50% of the profits, right?How does this work? What incentive does the store have to sell them? And tell you that you that they have sold them? Are you thinking long term re-stocking? Or are you thinking that the supplements are going to net profit? How are you covering the initial printing/shipping costs of the store copies?
>>23848066This is cool!
>>23882716>What incentive does the store have to sell them?Most of the stores that have said 'yes' have an indie-friendly reputation, and almost all of them have the 50% consignment cover price deal going with other indie publishers. They're on the honor system, but the whole point of this is to get Engine Heart out to a bigger audience than 4chan / the Internet. The KS will be to pay for a run of 250 copies of the rulebook and 250 copies of Power & Light (and if the stretch goal is reached, 250 copies of J&J). Plus the micromod demo game that each store will get with the books. If any of them actually sell I might be able to pay for a second run, but that's pretty nebulous right now. Fingers crossed, hope for the best.
>>23882503>>23882452Already sent one to Good Games a few days ago, but I just emailed Mind Games and Universal Bits.
>>23882936Man... I often forget how little I trust people I don't know. I used to be so hopeful. Hat's off to you, Viral. Don't forget the shipping costs. Aus, NZ, even Europe are very expensive to ship things to, even if it's just a small book.
>>23883074>Don't forget the shipping costs. Aus, NZ, even Europe are very expensive to ship things to, even if it's just a small book.Oh yeah, I know all about the shipping costs. BOSCO'S in Alaska gave me the address of their freight forwarder in Washington state in case the shipping is too high to send it directly to them.
>>23882936So backers will be getting the books too right?
>>23883775Yeah, some of the books will be backer copies that I'll draw robots inside of.
I don't go there very often, but I think the Game Closet of Waco, Texas might be receptive to this kinda email@example.com
Preview of the micromod.
>>23884578Just got EH from Amazon. Couldn't wait for the KSI am highly impressed. I printed off about 50 blank char sheets, and made 5 in less than an hour.Anyone want to recommend a good robot movie to me?Also, hi, Viral! Did you ever try to hit up the FLGSs in DE? I didn't see them on the list. I believe it was Our Game Table and Days of Knights.
>>23884578How do mice do NO damage? Ever been bitten by a mouse? My sister has a pet mouse. They are not friendly, and have lots of sharp, point teeth.
>>23884698The Brave Little Toaster, The Iron Giant and Wall-E are probably the holy trinity of robot movies (for EH). Short Circuit is probably St. John. John had his moments, but sometimes he was kinda boring.
>>23884733It's a robot mouse, bro. ... and it's fragile and probably highly endangered.
>>23884578Are these organic mice represented through robot based descriptors or genuine devices that were mass produced before mankind disappeared?I'm cool with using this for either however.
>>23884698>that feel when players are hand-forging sheets instead of filling in the PDF fieldsMovies: Wall-E, Brave Little Toaster, Short Circuit, Cherry 2000, Bicentennial Man (kinda)Stories: 'There Will Come Soft Rains', 'But Who Can Replace A Man?', 'I, Row-Boat'I already emailed Days of Knights, but I just sent one to Our Game Table. Thanks!>>23884733They can only damage robots by getting inside their casings and chewing up the wires. I had a pet rat!>>23884783>>23884878It is an organic mouse put in the module to trip the mouse-catching PR's Overriding Directive defect.
>>23884878>Tom sellekHey i was just about to mention Runaway as a good robot movie.Its perfect for EH simply because the robots in it are exactly like the type of robots you would create in EH. Watch it merely for robot ideas.
Aaaand Castle Perilous Games & Books in Carbondale Illinois just said yes!That's 34!
>>23884878I think it's a real mouse. One of the bots in the micro-mod is a mouser to show off the Overriding Directive defect. GOTS to kill that mouse, yo.
>>23884953If it sells well, Viral, and you DO get sent the profits, will you turn the profits around and print more to send back to the stores?
>>23884970That's the idea!
>>23884878I'm now imagining a swarm of computer mice, their scroll wheels spinning in fury as they descend upon a group of robots. The long, whip-like usb cables flay the casing from their targets to devour the battery beneath.
>>23884997I statted up a robot cleaning mouse once. It's based on the robot mice in Bradbury's 'There Will Come Soft Rains'.
Viral. Whenever the KS gets off the ground, you might consider dropping a hint to the guys at Ain't It Cool. They have a table-top roundup every once in awhile. And given Harry Knowles' love of The Iron Giant and Wall-E, it could be the sort of thing they talk about.http://www.aintitcool.com/node/61621
>>23884753The movie Runaway had Engine Heart style bots in semi futuristic 1980s setting. Also Gene Simmons as a terrorist madman.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088024/
OK, hot off the presses, it's a rough draft of the micro-module that will come with every FLGS's shipment of books.It doesn't have a name yet, but it's basically a GO HERE quest. The premade player robots must navigate a parking lot full of potholes, weeds and worse, as they try to find a rumored charging dock.
>>23886237As I told CaesarSalad a little while ago, this is the second module to feature an organic being rendered within the system. The Busty Barbarian Bimbos crossover module I made for Burrowowl has a Giant Mutant Alligator.>>23885122Good advice. Thanks!
>>23886237Thank you very much Viral.This looks like a neat method of making NPCs as well. The compressed character information leaves enough room to write the expanded feature rules. Might the pdf fillable version of the NPC corner sheet be available?
>>23886237CS here, Viral. I'll try and think of a title!
>>23886394>Might the pdf fillable version of the NPC corner sheet be available?Yeah, I could do that. Gimme a few minutes.
>>23886416Then you'll like the version BEFORE the player shows the Programmer his Bot's stats."Yeah it's used in hospitals and senior citizen citizen centers like a mobile bedpan. Totally harmless."
>>23886394>>23886576Goddammit Japan.Why do you continue to do stuff like this.
>>23886684Because at this point, the only thing that keeps Japan's economy running as well as it does is their reputation for "weird" or "cute." They're literally TRYING to be the world's exporters of weird shit.
>>23886394>Might the pdf fillable version of the NPC corner sheet be available?Here you go!
>>23886713But then if they're actively trying to be strange, doesn't that make it less genuine?I mean, letting one's freak flag fly is one thing, but doing it because it's MARKETABLE? That ain't proppa.I'm sorry I'll shut up now I don't want to derail your thread Viral.
>>23886959>Why don't we have both?
>>23886921Full service indie RPG author FTW!Thanks again Viral. This may light a fire under my ass to run some more EH.Especially since the format makes things easier to refer to and will result in me statting NPCs instead of winging it. (Also will give the programming parasite PRs a chance to collect them all!)
>>23887048By the way, there's a text field to the right of each of those blocks. You just can't see it because there's nothing there.
I saw these Roborally miniatures and said, "To hell with this fun game. I wanna use 'em for Engine Heart."
Another good one.
Maybe a little too anthropomorphic, but love that weathering.
This is a good time to talk about the Nuclear Battery rules.
This seems like it could have a really tragic story behind it if you were only playing ONE of these characters."Why? WHY? WHY WAS I PROGRAMMED TO LOVE?"
I heard you needed crazy robots for your game. I don't know any, but if you like, I can stab some until they TURN crazy.
Homemaker model. She'd like some real ingredients for cookies, but she makes do.
>>23887247Oh YourGod.I would sacrifice one of my manipulative limbs for a Roberto mini.
This one is pretty cool.
>>23887324He has a memory defect and has no idea what those things on his back are fore.
>>23887385Like boobs in a sterile, asexual land, they mostly just get in the way.
Added to micromod:>Dialogue quotes for all the robots (and the mouse)>EverPet explanation included in Barkzie's description: EverPets are typically created using the rules for drones, as described in the Attendant Swarm feature. They have 19 points for attributes and features (instead of the normal 100 points), and may have a maximum of 10 points of defects. Note that at least 13 points must be spent on attribute ratings to ensure that every rating is at least 1.>Tragic Backstory added: If the PRs manage to engage the ReCyclone in conversation, they may learn that it has the Rare Model defect and has been searching for another unit like itself to replace worn-out components. Until now it has made due using looted scrap metal as a stopgap solution, but any robots that located a deactivated ReCyclone for it would have its gratitude.
>>23887725Oh, and Barkzie got an upgrade. Now that High Speed is almost worth the 12 points.
poasting eh robots
Most terrible PR.
>>23887944The update is much appreciated Viral.
Name: Airpop ProOriginal Purpose: Vomit Forth Prodigious Quantities of PopcornOverriding Directive: Vomit Forth Prodigious Quantities of Popcorn
>>23888033And in the absence of kernels, it shoves whatever it can into its Disposal heater.
Time for bed, I think!
It's way to early to expect a shipping date, but do you have any idea of when it would happen assuming that everything goes to plan? My daughter's birthday is at the end of June and this would be right up her alley.
>>23889370Ideally, the KS will run through April, and the books will get printed in early May and shipped by the end of May.
>>23889486Just in time.
I browse /tg/ for the pictures, I'm not gonna lie. I don't entirely understand what's going on here, but I see robots and an indie project and I can't help but feel all warm inside.I'd shoot this by my local FLGS (I learned that word today), but given that I personally wouldn't be buying/playing it there, I'm not sure if that's a good idea. Is it?
>>23889945The picture at the beginning of the thread is a link to a pdf copy of the game, if you want to play it *somewhere*.You can go to the wiki and get a better idea of what the game is about and download some more stuff for it:http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Engine_HeartBut I can give you an abridged version. Imagine Wall-E, but with more robots on Earth. All the people are gone (Dead? Raptured? Uploaded? Whatever the GM decides). What's left is a World Without Us scenario where the buildings, bridges and power stations are starting to fall apart. Most of the big robots have already stopped working, but some of the little robots are still running around trying to fulfill their programming. This leads to a lot of conflict situations when robots have different goals. On top of this, some supercomputer AIs are still active, and they're in charge of entire cities, power grids, and the like, so they have a lot of sway even though they don't have physical bodies outside of their computer banks. Some of them have obedient robot workers to act as emissaries, but they're always on the lookout for more servants, and most of them have superiority complexes when it comes to who should be in charge of what during this "ongoing time of crisis".If you tell me the name of your FLGS, I can send them an email and save you the trouble (although it'd be cool if you told them too - better chance of them agreeing that way).I hope this clears things up a little!
I'm sorry, I'm new here, but how is this a scam? It's an actual game and your monetizing your product, which there is nothing wrong with.
please removal this viral filth
>>23891325Didn't you get the memo, anon?Anything on Kickstarter is a scam by default.[/sarcasm]
>>23891325Calling it a "scam" is a joke, boss.
>>23891325Viral is being self-deprecating.>>23891339>how new can one anon be?
>>23889945>local FLGSGuess what the L in FLGS is for.
>>23891663It could be a local Friendly Little Game Store.
>>23891674-_- Very well.
>>23848489So you also seen prometheus.
Did that Scholar's Books and Games store just not go through Viral?Shit sucks.
Evolver would be quite the frightening BBEG.Or quest threat antagonist/playing piece.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112993/
Did the Latvian store people refuse? If so, I should probably go bug them to change their minds.
>>23894582>>23895357Sometimes it takes a while to hear back from stores. Professional neckbears are busy people!
This sounds really cool, I'll be sure to follow it if you keep making threads. I'm one of those peeps who really like some illustrations and stuff in my books though, any plans to do that sort of thing?
Been running this for some friends of mine and they seem to be enjoying it but they're going kinda crazy.
>>23897619The GM screen might have pictures of robots, but I'm otherwise pretty set against having pictures of them in the book because everyone's vision of robots are different.If you didn't see, the wiki has a form-fillable character sheet, an 84-page adventure module and some other stuff. Glad you like it!
Welp, Eudo Games in Berkeley said no. Which was kinda nice, since they actually sent me an email instead of just leaving me hanging.
>>23900268What was there reasoning?
>>23900316Seems like they were just reluctant to get involved with an independent distributor. I can't blame them, since I *am* asking stores to take on more paperwork.
>>23900345Don't worry, Viral. We'll punish them. Would you like it quick and clean, or slow and torturous? I know a guy who works wonders with just an ice pick.
>>23900521Maybe you could just stop by and purchase some dice or something.I'm sure they'll get the message.
Runaway is a movie I've meant to watch for a long time... since I read that Hollywood had planned it to be the big blockbuster sci-fi movie of 1984 only to get blown away by the Terminator.>those giant 1984 phones in the future>that 1984 TV control room equipment in the police stationAgricultural pest control bot is Size 3, Disposal, second manipulative limb. And High Speed, apparently.
>>23900662If you know anyone in the area, you could ask them to be a go-between. Its not really paperwork if they can just talk to a store regular when he comes in.
>>23901400I don't.This thing is clearly just a drone.
>>23901521Stop drone wars!
Stacker probably has the Specialty Chassis (Lifting) feature. Not sure about the household murderbot. Seems like it's just really good with a gun.
>>23901746It's a good thing there are no guns in Engine Heart, or I'd have to stat up Evolver.
What the I don't evenLiquid Dispenser, I guess.>>23901789There kinda are, thanks to Power and Light. And public demand.
>>23901789From what I remember of Viral's gun rules.Gun RulesRealityCom + Reflexes check vs. the target robot's TN to be Struck. Damage is X + number of successes. 1 for a pistol, four or more for huge weapons.
>>23901894That is exactly how gun rules work.This thing... clearly has high RealityCom and HumanCom.
What's the difference of the Amazon version?
>>23902169>What's the difference of the Amazon version?Deluxe Model Edition: $18, full color insideEconomy Model Edition: $8, b&w insidePrinter-Friendly Edition: $0, b&w insideRules-wise, they're identical.
>>23880730I wouldn't say assholes>>but high and incompetent quite possiblyprices are decent however.
>>23902284Alright, it's just that I have pretty much no money since starting college and having to quit my job.Though me and my group have never played a tabletop game yet. I think we would really enjoy it. Expect my money as soon as I have a little spare.
>>23902373>in college>no moneyGood thing there's the Printer-Friendly Edition! Time to hit up a disused corner of the library.
>>23902437Man, wouldn't that be so ugly though? I want to put your game on a shelf man, be proud!
>>23902460Do both!I also feel it's worth mentioning that if you buy a print copy from lulu rather than amazon, Viral gets a smidgen more of the money you pay. At least that's the case when I got my copy.
>>23902594Alright, will do. Anyone got some fun stories they can tell me?
>>23902645>Anyone got some fun stories they can tell me?
>>23902705You're really cool. I'm sure Travelling Man in Newcastle, UK will take some off you. They love this kind of thing.
Hey I was here yesterday asking about that place in SD, Universal Bits.Any chance they've gotten back to you?
>>23902736Will do!>>23902835Not yet, but the ones that DO say yes usually take a while.
>>23902645Here's another one.
>>23902437That shit costs a nickel a page for me, I can only imagine it's more for some folks.
>>23903992Three bucks is still cheaper than eight!
How about an Engine Heart custom d10?You know, to fill up the printable volume and shame your friends for using regular dice...
Happy Viking in Jacksonville, FLI would be a happy viking, indeed, if they got some.
>>23907912>How about an Engine Heart custom d10?Not sure if srs or missed old threadThat's actually gonna be a limited-edition KS prize. I talked to the guy at Gamescience that handles custom orders, and will probably order 100 precision aquamarine gem d10s with this icon replacing the 0 face.So there'll be 10 sets available for people that want them. Hadn't really considered printed dice...>>23908023>Happy Viking in Jacksonville, FLWill do!
>>23908159My dice lust knows no bounds.
>>23908159>10 setsThat's gonna be nowhere near enough.
>>23908791I was just thinking the same thing.
>>23908791>>23908975A run of 100 dice was what I considered feasible, but if they all disappear and people want more, I could probably increase the order. The custom dice are pretty expensive (as in, the creation and shipping alone is $75 for a set of 10 when they're ordered in a bulk run of 100).It would be more of a "here's a little treat for dumping a bunch of cash into this" instead of "here's a way for you to fill up your dice bag".Some friends had also suggested swapping out the broken-robot icon for the 1 face. I guess that since the production cost is the same no matter how weird the faces get, maybe I should do that. I'm just worried about them becoming unreadable if too many faces aren't numerical characters.
>>23909099I say just use the robot face. It's more...Engine Heart-y.
>>23909099>when they're ordered in a bulk run of 100>bulk run of 100100 is not a "bulk run".
>>23909099Broken robot face isn't "you failed" enough.
>>23909279There have been several icons made for EH; these were all inspired by the icons found on shipping packages (fragile, do not stack, do not lift without aid, etc). I know someone upthread asked about artwork, but this is the closest the game gets. I think it helps keep the feeling that we're getting a glimpse of a future technical manual where icons like this are commonplace and require no explanation.Anyway, point is, if people had suggestions for a current or NEW icon to use on the dice, I'm listening.
>>23909696They're expensive as shit, though.>>23909702Don't think so, huh...
>>23909725Doesn't matter, 100 is not very many. A bulk run would be tens of thousands at the very least.And "Robot on fire!" is a better 1 than the broken robot, I think.
Why not use the D10 as first goodie, like for a $10 investment. Owning one of those could be the hook to pull people into the KS. 100 is a very low number. 1,000 would be minimum imo. This will become a collector piece and the pride of every ragtag dice bag.But it's still just an ordinary D10 with custom faces. For a really cool piece you have to 3D print. The design from >>23907912 is pretty close to what I feel would best convey the EH spirit: Clunky, pseudo functional surfaces and shapes that come together to develop elegant functionality, a post modern pretend Bauhaus utility. Form follows fictional function.Design 3-5 individual D10s like that and use them as a high investment bonus, 3D printed in metal. It will be the most awesome dice any of us will ever own. And you can link the model on the wiki so people can pay horrendous prices to get their own printed a few months after the KS finishes.
Why not bust tha D10 as first goodie, like fo' a $10 investment. Ownin one of dem could be tha hook ta pull playas tha fuck into tha KS. 100 be a straight-up low number. Shiiit, dis aint no joke. 1,000 would be minimum imo. This will become a cold-ass lil collector piece n' tha pride of every last muthafuckin ragtag dice bag.But it's still just a ordinary D10 wit custom faces. For a straight-up def piece you have ta 3D print. Da design from >>23907912 is pretty close ta what tha fuck I feel would dopest convey tha EH spirit: Clunky, pseudo functionizzle surfaces n' shapes dat come together ta pimp elegant functionality, a post modern pretend Bauhaus utility. Form bigs up fictionizzle function.Design 3-5 individual D10s like dat n' bust dem as a high investment bonus, 3D printed up in metal. It aint nuthin but tha nick nack patty wack, I still gots tha bigger sack. It is ghon be da most thugged-out phat dice any of our asses will eva own. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch fo' realz. And you can link tha model on tha wiki so playas can pay horrendous prices ta git they own printed a gangbangin' few months afta tha KS finishes.
>>23910235Not sure you understand. Viral is saying an order of 100 dice would be 750 bucks at minimum.
>>23910399>Viral is saying an order of 100 dice would be 750 bucks at minimum.With Gamescience precision dice, yeah. Which aren't really "ordinary" anyway.This guy >>23910235 >>23910301 is saying the funds could be spent on commissioning someone to make a 3d template and upload it to Shapeways so people could have their own dice made to order with SW 3d printers.>>23909799I thought changing the 10 side would be better, since in EH, rolling a 10 means really good things, but rolling a 1 is usually no worse than rolling a 2 or a 3.
So, Viral, any new stores come through recently?
>>23910662I still think that a slightly cracked robot is the most appropriate icon for EH.
>>23848111If you are already sending a copy to Melbourne you may as well send on to Famous Faces and Funnies. There's also a new shop that opened up in down town Cocoa, which is about two cities north of Melbourne.
>>23851135Damn I never saw The Dreaming Comics and Games shop when I was in Seattle in 2011. The only comic shop I saw was the one in Pike's underground market.
>>23910786Not in the last day. Still, I think 35~ is plenty.>>23910885I'll check these out. Thanks!
Hey Viral, did Maxx Collectables ever reply?
>>23910885Is the one in Cocoa 'Pirate Chest Hobby'?>>23911294I sent them an email, but I never heard back.
>>23911376I think so. I've not been in it, my girlfriend and her sister have. I've been told that it has mostly card related stuff, but they also carry PnP games.
>>23911400I emailed them.And apparently Famous Faces and Funnies is sharing space with Get Your Fun On, so I'm not sure how that'll work. Maybe Engine Heart will be on two different display racks in the same building.
>>23911376Hey, I'm college guy. Just wanted to let you know I bought a copy. It'll be here tomorrow. Hope I can learn the game quick and try it out on my girlfriend and little brother. I think they would love this.Did Traveling Man ever get in touch?
>>23911695>It'll be here tomorrow. Hope I can learn the game quick and try it out on my girlfriend and little brother.If you want to get a head start, the pdf is the image in my OP.>Did Traveling Man ever get in touch?No, but some places take a while to reply (if ever).
>>23911745I have a question, do you have a picture of what the economy edition looks like?
>>23911765All the text is identical between editions. It's just a matter of how snazzy you want it.People like snazz.
>>23911813But this is what the cover looks like.
>>23911813I mean how does the book look?
>>23910662So, the precision dice have to be a limited edition pledge level thing? Like "Pledge $80 and get a book and a set of 5 dice". You could try contacting Chessex to see if they can do custom d10s. We had a fundraiser that used their custom d6's and it raised a fair bit of money. It would still be expensive, but might be cheaper than Gamescience, possibly cheap enough to have it as a stretch reward. Then you could have Robot on Fire (1) for the Gamescience and Gear (0) for the Chessex. Chessex did, however, run out of stock (or something) and took a long time to get the dice over.
>>23911838>I mean how does the book look?Like this!
>>23911860Fuck that's gorgeous. You should be pretty proud of yourself.
>>23911860Oh jesus yes. I thought it wouldn't have a, spine?
>>23911882Nah, they all have spines.>>23911881Thanks!
>>23911683Huh, didn't know they were separate stores. I actually live in Cocoa so I have more of a chance of stopping by Pirate Chest Hobby. I don't really have a group to play any tg related stuff though. The most that my girlfriend and her sister play are card games, and her sister's boyfriend works over nights while I go to school with the sweet, sweet post 9/11 GI Bill.
>>23911954>Joints and JiversIt even looks like it was published in the 70s! Except the gloss, that sort of gloss wasn't used back then.
>>23912054I know, but it had to be high-gloss, because Modempunk's on the other side.
>>23911683>>23910885Turns out the Famous Faces and Funnies email is dead, but that's probably OK since Get Your Fun On already said yes.
>>23912408How would a walking coffe machine fight?
>>23912798Is this a riddle?I'd guess the answer is "poorly". Unless it was some kind of industrial-sized baristabot that could just crush you.
>>23912798Never been scalded by the steam used to froth milk have you (not that robots would have too much to worry, however it's not the heat that get's you. It's the humidity)? And the force needed to get out the old coffee grinds from the espresso thingy is notable. I foresee a guild of baristabot mafioso. "We only put your manipulator in the grinder if you don't bring us the beans."
>>23913077The touchscreen used to choose your order now shows a smiley of the robots emotions.
Viral, I talked to the people at that store in Latvia. Apparently, they somehow missed the e-mail you sent, but they seemed very interested after I talked to them. Of course, I also mentioned I'd totally buy some of that stuff from them if they had it.
>>23913441Oh, man, Latveria? Do you think Doom would allow it?
>>23913441I forget which one it wa- >>23914847SILENCE! DOOM WILL NOW STAT UP A DOOMBOT USING THE ENGINE HEART SYSTEM.NATURALLY IT WILL BE SUPERIOR TO ANYTHING RICHARDS COULD DEVISE.And I bet Latviabro is getting sick of us always making Doom jokes whenever he posts.
>>23914871>>23913441If it was Ludo, I just re-sent them the email.
OK, so the artist I propositioned to make the Engine Heart GM screen said he's not taking commissions anymore (or at least not in the near future), I'll put this out here and see if any of you folks can help.This is the (obviously rough) idea I had for the screen. It'd be 8.5"x25" (a standard trifold screen). The image is a city street as seen from the far sidewalk. A row of stereotypical white-picket-fenced houses with identical porches, front door and window configurations, etc, but all of them would be in various states of disrepair, with one house flat-out burned to the ground. In the background, the hazy skyscrapers of the City can be seen. It wouldn't have to be as straight-on of a perspective as I MSPainted it, but this is the general layout.Continued in next post.
>>23916935This is the picture that sold me on the guy. It's done in Blender and GIMP. As soon as I saw it, I thought "This is exactly what I want".Anyway, if you know someone who could pull off a photorealistic picture like this, let me know about it.
>>23916997That just looks like he slapped on a bunch of photoshop filters on a picture of a house.
I just emailed Rob Sheridan about it. I doubt he'll respond, but here's hoping.>>23917307The house is a CG render. I agree that a lot of the filters are unneeded and distracting, but the clapboard and shingling decay is spot-on with what I had in mind.
>>23916935So basically you want a panorama shot of a Detroit residential street.
>>23917946Yeah, but not so broken-down that it can't be identified.Detroit is the best post-apoc city and I love going there. Maybe I could just go to Detroit and take pictures.
>>23918384This is a fun setting. Good Job OP.
>>23918506btw you've got a typo, "Advenutre".
>>23918518right you are. Photoshop really needs a spell check.
>>23918620Sorry, I love making mock covers.
>>23918518How about a store in asia?Hit up Paradigm Infinitum, Singapore.
>>23918686Any plans for novels set in the Engine Heart Universe? I know you didn't really give a very solid setting but you could always keep a lot of the details vague.
>>23918867I'm reading Saturn's Children right now, which is pretty Engine Hearty-y.
So, um...Is there anyway an Australian (Upsidedownfag) like m'self can get a copy of the core book? I would give all the diodes down by left side for a hard copy.It's a good thing I'm used to paying out my arse for shipping...
>>23919067Why do you guys get raped so hard for shipping anyway?
>>23919067Amazon?>I wanted to post a picture of the dragon from the book but I couldn't find one
>>23919194because of asylum seekers.
>>23919235Hah. No. Because everything gets shipped first from whatever shitty little third world sweatshop it was made in to the US, and THEN to us. For...Reasons.
>>23919342Amazon says shipping a book to Oz is $4.99. Not sure if that's in US or kangabucks, but I assume it's USD.
There's going to be a slight change in the rules for the "second printing" of Engine Heart (along with a few clarifications).Robots with the Limbless defect will not be able to make repair checks, either on themselves or other robots. This was kind of an obvious thing already, but it should probably be stated directly.Because of this, the Model Error defect will also be amended to read "Robots with the Limbless defect do not gain any points for the Model Error defect."
>>23919391Oh! Well, Amazon has always been pretty good. It's mostly for larger stuff. Had 20-30 dollars added onto my orders in the past, mostly for costume stuff. And right now, AUS-USA is pretty much 1 for 1. Which is nice. Kind of sad you you lot, of course.
>>23919914Well, it's an option, anyway.
Here's an NPC robot from the transport-themed minimod.It clips along at 20 km/h, and that's only because I had to sacrifice speed for the ability to run shit down. With the new Turbo feature, robots will be able to achieve speeds above 30 km/h.
>>23914871nah, Doom is cool and I like Doom jokes.>>23915869Yep, Ludo. By the way, I like that name. Short and to the point. Except, of course, nobody speaks Latin so pretty much nobody understands that name.
>>23923122>and I like Doom jokesGood, because that's all I've got.
I'm proud of you for doing this, but I don't like your game and won't be contributing. I also think that you could just set yourself up a website and link to it instead of pandering quite so much.Of course, pandering like crazy is the most profitable way to sell anything, so do what you gotta do.Sage to avoid bumping advertising, even if it is grassroots advertising
>>23919887Yow, I don't like the route you're going. You have the chance to make a superior game that could be digitally updated for free and instead you go with the terribly inefficient "sell a new book to make small changes" method.Not cool man.
>>23923468Damn Poe's law, I can't tell if this is sarcasm or stupidity.>>23923460I was kinda the same way with BBB. As much as I wanted to support /tg/ getting shit done I just wasn't into the whole bimbo shopping thing. I also agree that a website beyond the 1d4chan page is in order. as for pandering and advertising that has been discussed to death and most threads about /tg/ related products could be considered that. As long as people are enjoying the thread who cares if it helps sell a product, it is a product we want to be sold.
I understand that people who don't care for cute robots see the regular Viral threads and get annoyed. But just weigh it against the flood of 'This is how I _', Explain Alignment, Fetish Quests, Edition Wars, and gimicky nonsense Kickstarter threads, and consider whether your annoyance is actually at the thread, or at people enjoying something you have no access to.>>23923460It all goes to Viralzuela.But seriously, this is about spreading the word. There is no profit. If all this goes perfectly it'll pay $1,000. Find a game designer who'll work 7 years for less than $12/month, even with a yearly $30 bonus from Lulu, I dare ya!>>23923468Well Viral has been slow with updates, as the flow of feedback is more of a trickle you get when you squeeze /tg/ for a day with constant bumps. So I don't see the issue, unless you are projecting your GW or WOTC experience.And the newest version will always be available for free on the wiki.The real issue here is people who like to play games like this but don't frequent /tg/, and the money it costs to get books printed so they can look at them.This is no corporate intern bumping shitthreads for attention. This is a game designer answering questions every week and willing to send free profit to your FLGS if you tell him its name. It is an enthusiast project with no profit in sight done out of love for the game through dying commercial vectors out of nostalgia.So if you hate this you might as well start buying 40k minis, because that is the retail alternative.
>>23923122>Ludo"I play," right?Yaaaaay three semesters of Latin finally came in handy yaaaaay.
>>23924079I think so. I don't know any Latin, though, so I could be wrong.
So this came today, guess I'll be bugging my friends to come play it with me this weekend. And rip some cones
>>23916935>>23917996We had a pretty big earthquake a while ago. A lot of repair has been done but there are still many houses that have been abandoned for years. I was considering taking some photos anyway, I could make a thread on /p/ if someone wants to make a screen from them. I might be able to make a screen myself, but if the stock photos are free then someone better than I could fit them together.
>>23924372Also: We're in autosage now. So if there isn't a new thread up tomorrow then I'll just post away in /p/... if the photos turn out ok.
You know, Viral, I hadn't, until now, actually read anything from the pdf you keep posting. I did read some just now, and my god it's awesome and I want it!Whether anyone in my group will want it remains to be seen, though.
>>23923468>You have the chance to make a superior game that could be digitally updated for free and instead you go with the terribly inefficient "sell a new book to make small changes" method.The updated copy will go on the wiki and be free to download like always. I haven't added the changes mentioned in this thread because I'm just waiting to upload the new version until I get the full list of bugs listed. tl;dr the one stores are getting will be the same as the .pdf you can get for free on the wiki. >>23923983>>23923460You're not the first to demand a legitimate website. It's something I've been looking into.>>23924069> Find a game designer who'll work 7 years for less than $12/month, even with a yearly $30 bonus from Lulu, I dare ya!It's only been four years. First draft was posted in June of 2009.
>>23925387>It's only been four yearsHow much of that 4 years was really spent hammering at this game? I often wonder about this when people say something has been X years in the making. I mean I will totally be picking up a copy from the kickstarter and tell my friends to do so, but I always wonder about the man hours per week or month when indie people make claims of things being in development for years and years.
>>23926428>How much of that 4 years was really spent hammering at this game?Quite a lot, when I really think about it. I wrote the drone rules for ArtifIce over a month-long period in late 2008, then started tweaking the system through the spring of 2009. After the first version was finalized at the end of the summer, I playtested it as much as I could over the next year, which led to the legitimate Deluxe Model Edition in the summer of 2010. Since then I've been listening to podcasts and scouring the net for writeups of actual play, looking for hiccups or places where players or GMs were unsure of what to do, and playtesting it as much as I can.I'd say a rough estimate of the total involvement time is at least a few hundred hours on my end. I've made plenty of other games in the meantime, but they're tiny one-off games that were just diversions between Engine Heart development.