>>23847432
Right on time, you glorious fuck.

Ah, lamia quest. The perfect thing to top off a good day.

>>23847432
we should get a shield like that.

>>23847502
we should get ANY SHIELD

>>23847502
Nay, Father's coat of arms.

>>23847432
Damn you and your later hours!

I used to be able to get in on these quests, now you don't start until I'm about ready to fall asleep.

>>23847555
he does earlier hours at other times of the week.

>>23847570
Really?

I've been noticing it getting slowly later and later as the days go by.

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>>23847555
Adderall, caffeine and a habanero buttplug.

Ancient Chinese secret.

The execution of Robin, Barney, Gregory, and Ambrose was derailed, thanks to a miracle. His Light shown down upon Citadel and showed these men to be innocent of an wrong doing.

(Any help that you six might have provided to cause said miracle isn't something that needs to be examined. Though you may owe the executioner a fruit basket or at least a get well card.)

Paladin Odette, seeing her last chance at regaining her high and mighty status, snapped, and in that moment allowed the Citadel's influence to take complete control over her.

She ran to the Cathedral, to destroy what she felt was the rest of the Claigo Clarus. Father's statue and the book of records, that chronicled all those who served the Guiding Light during the Citadel Ages.

You pursued her, and managed to get by all the tricks and assaults Citadel threw in your way. You caught Paladin Bobbi Odette, and offered her your forgiveness and a chance at salvation. The woman spat it back into your face.

Uncle Julian arrived to inform you that the King had declared this day to have Not Existed, there was no botched execution, the men were never charged, and Paladin Odette wasn't in any sort of trouble. You released her.

However, Odette's arrogance wasn't done yet. Maybe she didn't want to be in a world where a lamia could be a Paladin, maybe she didn't want to accept that she was Wrong and live with that, maybe she just wanted to spite you and your forgiveness. Perhaps all of it, Citadel, and more.

Either way, she leapt out of the tallest window of the Grand Cathedral and fell to her death.

She didn't go splat though, you ran out to see her in one piece, dead, but her face was calm and smiling, like she was content.

And since this day doesn't exist, she never committed suicide. She's dead, and her soul is free to go to His Light...or whatever happens to those that die inside Citadel's walls.

Julian has also told you that your Paladin confirmation is tomorrow.

Alright thank Julian for the information. Ask if he knows where the former prisoners went We should go find Sophia, Gregory and the others. We have plans to make and people to get out of Citadel.

>>23847622
The group watches as the Red Occuli take Odette's body away.

"Is it wrong that I don't feel bad for her?" Mari asks.

Lea shakes her head. "Morn the loss of a life, not for the life that was already wasted."

>>23847665
Nod solemnly, then this
>>23847663

>>23847555
I'll be on earlier tomorrow, please remember. I'm West Coast. I'm pretty much always late.

>>23847686
I'm on GMT times, pretty much every quest is late for me.

>>23847663
"Uncle?" You ask. "Where are Gregory, and Barney, and the others?"

"They're gathered at the tinkers house." He said. "I think they were throwing everything they could into a wagon."

>Stone Hall, thanks to the trauma of the attack and the generic screw up of the Humors, isn't part of Citadel anymore. It's a safe zone like the Caligo Clarus attic.
So does that mean it would act sort of like monteriggioni in Assassin's Creed 2?

>>23847555
>Damn you and your later hours!
>I used to be able to get in on these quests, now you don't start until I'm about ready to fall asleep.

Ageeed, and on that note: fuck timezones.

>>23847781
We should probably go talk to them before they scarper.

>>23847781
"I think I'll go talk to them about what happened today. Do be sure to tell me when we schedule odette's funeral. It's a shame."

>>23847781
Alright sounds like they have the same idea as us. Lets go talk to them,

>>23847796
At Barney's workshop you see four men loading up the wagon with an assortment of scrolls, and a bunch of clothes, furniture, and other personal goods.

"No, no." Barney says. "That's a special barrel. You put ice in this bladder and it makes the drinks cool when they come out of the spigot!"

"We don't have room." Gregory says. "Remember, we have to go get Ambrose's books."

"You can always build another Barnabas." The old man says.

"Do you know how long it took me to properly treat and sow the pig bladders inside of that thing? Anyway, Trapper's books would fill this thing two times over!"

"I don't see why you three have to leave." The fourth man says, you don't recognize him. He's an elf, but he's also got a mass of hair hanging over his eyes. "You got pardons."

"From the king, yeah...but I don't want to stay and see if the citizenry change THEIR minds on it." Gregory says.

"Aww, that one's my favorite!" Barney says about the calling card press.

"It almost got us killed!" Gregory snaps.

>>23847781

We should go check up on them. Stonehall may have a good use for an inventor, and I'm sure a librarian and master tailor can find some work there. It may do them good to move there and see if they can carve out a better life for themselves than in the shadow of Citadel. It may behoove Ssen & Co. to see them safely to Stonehall if it isn't *too* out of the way from the path to Bronze Peaks. Besides, Ssen may also want to catch up with Granny about some other stuff.

It might also be a good idea to catch up with Robin and see what his long-term plans are. While he's undoubtedly biding his time for a chance to get the Nightmare back to the Fey, some talking to him may convince him that letting the Nightmare tag along with us might be in the best interests of the Fey (us working actively against Citadel and/or to the ruin of Citadel = good for Fey). It might be worth seeing if we could convince him and/or his band to join up with us.

>>23847894
"Aww, but that one was one of my favorites too!

So where are you all going?"

>>23847894
"Technically, Paladin Odette's need for a scapegoat got you nearly killed."

>>23847894
Suggest heading to Stonehall. We have something to discuss with them, and we'll join them there shortly.

I kind of wish we could go with them avoid them falling foul of Citadel dickery on-route, but we can't really afford to miss our induction into the paladins if we want to rescue Isen.

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sorry for the terribad phone picture quality, but I wanted to share my WIP group portrait with you guys. I'll actually scan it when I'm done, but I am not always around when the thread is going, so I wanted to at least share this. I love the quest so far, and Echo, you are a brilliant DM.

>>23847894
How big is our wagon again? Because I don't think we ... well I wouldn't mind helping move some of Ambrose's books. Knowledge is always a powerful tool to have on hand. That is if they're heading to Stonehall. (Think that's what that place was called.)

>>23847970
"Aww, but that one was one of my favorites too!
So where are you all going?"

"Whoa!" The elf says. he's munching on an apple. "She really is a lamia!"

"Our savior!" Barney says. He goes over to you and hugs you kissing you on both cheeks. "Oh, a thousand thank yous, your prayers brought us a miracle!"

Gregory nods. "I can't thank you enough for what you did for Sophie. We decided that an extended vacation might be a good idea. White Tree's nice this time of year, and not too far."

Ambrose nods. "We were just deciding what Barnabas can keep or leave, before going to my place."

"They're bolting." The elf says.

>>23848079
"You know, if you went to Stonehall I could send a letter with you, put in a good word for you. It might help you get set up there."

I think sending them to a place where Citadel has no control is probably the best bet. It was Stonehall that had its Citadel control broken, yes?

>>23848079
Just going to say what I said yesterday, about recommending they head to stone hall and all that. That and dwarven materials to help the inventor and whatnot.

Though... white tree would be amusing once we get our paladinship.

>>23848079
(Which one was white tree? I know we passed it.

Was that our hometown? I can't recall. Also, is stone hall on the way to bronze peaks?)

>>23848079
"Don't blame them. I would be out of here also if didn't have few pieces of business to take care of.

"What happen to Robin? Already took off I take it."

Plus this >>23848127

>>23848079
"After what's happened, I'm not surprised. If you want, the Dawnchasers will escort you out of Citadel once my confirmation is done."

This way, we can kill two birds with one stone.

>>23848127
"You know, if you went to Stonehall I could send a letter with you, put in a good word for you. It might help you get set up there."

"Stone Hall?" Ambrose asks. "That's on the other side of the kingdom. That's a long journey for an old man like me."

"Not to mention that the place was broken by the Ghoul attack." Gregory sighs. "I can't raise Sophie in a refugee tent."

"Sea air is disagreeable to me." Barney says.

"They're making excuses." The elf says.

"Shut up Widdy!"

>>23848079
"I don't know about white tree, I've been there once and they weren't too friendly.

Maybe stone hall? They need skilled businessmen like yourselves now more than ever, rebuilding after the ghoul attacks."

OPERATION PUT EGGS IN ONE BASKET IS GO

>>23848160
"What happen to Robin? Already took off I take it."

The group shrugs.

"Saw him heading towards the stables." 'Widdy' says, still eating his apple.

"Damnit!" Tricia mutters. "Don't tell me..."

"You've got to admire his persistence." Mage says.

>>23848025
DUDE! AMAZING! LOVE IT! HAVE A RE-ROLL!

>>23848206
EchoGarrote, how powerful a degree of control does Citadel have over White Tree? Is it solidly under Citadel control?

>>23848226
seconded

On an somewhat unrelated note how well is your setting set up op?

>>23848270
it doesn't fit grammar-wise now. We'd have to tweak it.

>>23848263
>EchoGarrote, how powerful a degree of control does Citadel have over White Tree? Is it solidly under Citadel control?

Not overly powerful, whisper in the back of the head, and dreams, but no plays or people as far affected as your friends were. No town has too strong of a Citadel grip.

>>23848289
Okay. I'll change it, next thread.

>>23848331
Well, in that case I guess they would be safe (for the most part) in White Tree. I'm not sure whether it would be safe to tell people about what Citadel really is there though. I'm not sure quite how badly it would react to people knowing the truth.

Sophie would prefer Stone Hall. Its free of the thing that was making her act strange.

>>23848354
Honestly I want them completely out of its influence.

>>23848243
Awesome! I'll have to save it for a special potential-first-real-redemption-flinging-herself-out-a-window occasion

>>23848350
You mean next post?

Or am I already terminally confused

>>23848361
We could mention the benefit of reconstruction for the inventor, what with all the dwarves about.

We might be able to refer sophie to granny. She might know a thing or two.

Plus I think if we offer ourselves as escort that might sweeten the deal.

Say that as we rush off to get nightmare.

>>23848206
"Okay, look, there's only so much that I can say here, but I would STRONGLY advise Stone Hall over anywhere else."

>>23848376
As do I. Let's let it go for now. Their objections could just be Citadel's last attempts to keep them from escaping its grasp completely. We'll bring the topic back up on the road.

>>23848230
Give a sigh. See if Lea or Tricia want to go and stop him /if/ he's going after that Nightmare again.

"White tree is ... nice, but has continuing issues with the fey court from the last I heard.

>Not a lie!

"I would strongly consider Stone Hall if I were you guys. After the ghoul attack they'll be looking for any help they can get."

>>23848206
"We'll be heading to Stone Hall ourselves as soon as possible. So we could escort you there, it would probably be a damned sight safer, you did tell me before about your issues with bandits last time you tried to leave, after all."

>>23848230
"Well, I should probably attend to that. I do suggest you re-think white tree, they weren't the nicest of people when I visited. You know my suggestion of stone hall, so I won't nag you with it. Now I'll be off to convince robin to stop stealing my horse in a town filled with guards."

>>23848398
>>23848396

"Okay, look, there's only so much that I can say here, but I would STRONGLY advise Stone Hall over anywhere else." You say.

"They can't afford it." The elf says.

"Ssen, that jack-off is stealing our horse! Come on!" Tricia pulls on your arm as the others take off towards the stables.

>>23848450
"Don't go anywhere before I get back."

Then go after Robin before he can swipe our horse.

>>23848450

Offer to pay for their trip, we should have the funds I believe.

Then go deal with the horse

>>23848472
"Don't go anywhere before I get back." You say. "We'll talk about finances...I'm coming!"

Roll 1d20

Rolled 2

>>23848504

Rolled 17

>>23848504
Oh boy

Rolled 4

>>23848504
Get back here you lousy horsenapper!

>>23848510
...damn it all.

Rolled 19

>>23848510
Using Hanako.

>>23848524
You SURE?

>>23848510
-1 horse points

>>23848510
>>23848515
It's jinxed. This will always happen.

>>23848524
What why the hell would you ever do that it's just our horse

WORST CASE SCENARIO we tell the guards we gave him the horse so h

>>23848529
Why not, we still have the reroll from the Voice of JUSTICE copypasta and the one from the picture.

>>23848504
>>23848510
whelp, they either take off without us, or the elf got the Nightmare

>>23848524
dont waste it.

>>23848545
so he doesn't get executed. I got cut off?

>>23848529
absolutely not, don't waste this reroll

that's just one guy wanting to reroll

Rolled 19

>>23848529
I've been sick, I've missed half this, and I can always provide more critique later. And for fucks sake its MY reroll.

>>23848575
>>23848549
>>23848545

Okay, you don't use the re-roll.

When you get there, you find Robin leaning against the stable gate, peeling an orange with a knife. The Nightmare is nowhere to be seen.

"Hey." He says. "Nice work with those 'miracles' by the by. The melting amulet was an impressive touch." He pops an orange slice into his mouth.

"So, I guess I owe you guys a solid." He says.

>>23848640
"I'd like to collect that favor, and ask you to return my horse."

>>23848640
If we just lost this horse, I hate you all.

>>23848651
"I'd like to collect that favor, and ask you to return my horse." You say.

"Well, that I can't do." Robin says. "I told you, I took a job to steal the horse from you, and deliver it to the Fey Court." He smirks. "However, if you hired me to steal a Nightmare from the Fey Court and deliver it to you...I might be willing to give you guys a bargain." He grins. "Call it...five gold?"

>>23848662
I would have been okay with using the reroll if it meant preventing the horse from falling out a window and dying.

But a horsenapping?

>>23848640
"If your tongue doesn't find a point in the next 15 seconds, your chest just might."

>>23848694
"Deal."

>>23848710
FUCK WHY AM I ALWAYS SO SLOW WITH THE QUIPS

>>23848694
"You drive a hard bargain."

Then I guess hand him five gold, since we probably have that about our person now.

>>23848714
"Deal." You say as you hand him the gold.

"You really take your work seriously." Peri says.

Robin shrugs. "The Goodfellow name is synonymous with professionalism, and we NEVER back out on a job. Unless someone else does it for us." He tosses you a coin pouch. "That's Greg's down payment. Make sure it gets back to him." He says. "You going to be here in a week or somewhere else? I want to know where delivery is."

>>23848694
"You know, if you weren't such a shameless thief, I could almost like you."

>>23848694
"You know, there are easier ways to ask for some change."

Are we okay with burning potentialfavor for surehorse?

>>23848776
It's a really cool horse.

>>23848771
"You can leave it with the Lizardmen or Paladin Avery at Stone Hall. They can be trusted to hold on to it."

>>23848771
"Hopefully I'll be in Stonehall. If I'm not there, leave it with the Lizardmen and mention my name, they'll look after it for me."

>>23848806
"You can leave it with the Lizardmen or Paladin Avery at Stone Hall. They can be trusted to hold on to it."

He nods. "Always wanted to see the coast. See you round, Paladin Serpent." He walks off.

"He's so classy." Mari says.

"NO." Peri snaps.

>>23848771
"Barring any emergencies, disasters, invading armies, or sudden executions?

We're probably going to head off, yeah. To (Are we going to bronze peaks or stone hall? Is one on the way to the other? Please someone finish off this line, because I don't know)"

>>23848832
Stone hall first I think, it's free of Citadel, which makes it the perfect place to tell our allies everything as we promised them we would.

>>23848831
"He sort of is, in that career criminal way..."

>>23848831
"Well then Mari, you can pay the gold next time he steals our horse."

>>23848852
"He sort of is, in that career criminal way..." You say.

"Don't. Encourage. Her." Peri snaps.

"Robin doesn't come cheap." Mage says as he counts Gregory's gold. "Think we should use this to buy those guys another wagon...and a horse?"

>>23848880
"It would probably be a good idea, let's take it back to them and let them know."

>>23848880
"Well, it's their money, but we can strongly suggest they purchase those things, yes!"

>>23848831
We promised to come right back to the other three. Go back, give them the money Robin just gave us, and since they already know a fair bit about Citadel, tell them that Stone Hall is free of the influences that attacked Sophie's mind, and that it's one of the only places in the world that is.

>>23848952
I suppose we could tell them that, as long as we don't actively tell them it's Citadel doing it, letting that much slip should be safe.

If we convince the three to go to Stone Hall, then we should offer them an escort.

>>23848930
"It would probably be a good idea, let's take it back to them and let them know." You say.

The men are very happy to see an extra wagon, Barney especially. Gregory's a little miffed that you spent his money, but he admits that he'd probably use it on exactly this.

"Also, give Robin my thanks." He says. "He's a real solid guy, for being a Fey Court elf."

"Something wrong with being an elf?" The new elf says.

"Nothing, Widdy." Gregory sighs. "That's why I said 'Fey Court' elf, there's a difference between those guys and you."

"Mmh." Widdy says.

"So, you were making a case for Stone Hall?" Ambrose said. "That's a long journey for people like us, ladies. It's one thing to travel with what's on your back, but we're going to have to take our whole lives across the country."

>>23848973
They already know that there's something very wrong with Citadel:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/23830319/#p23831878
> "Anyway, I asked him and he laughed and said he prefered a place that smelled as bad as he thought Citadel was. We became friends."

We shouldn't go into detail, but they know more than most.

>>23849016
"If you're willing to wait until after my paladin confirmation, me and my friends will be willing to escort you there. We have business to take care of at Stone Hall anyways."

>>23849016
"I can't tell you all the details here, it wouldn't be safe, but what I can say is that Stone Hall is one of the few places out there you'll be free from the cause of your bad luck and Sophie's fears."

>>23849016
"Stone Hall is one of the few places in the world completely free from...unwelcome influences in your mind and in your life. The same influences that nearly drove Sophie mad, and got you executed.

Plus, we'd be happy to offer you an escort there. And there are a lot of opportunities in a rebuilding city."

>>23849046
>We have business to take care of at Stone Hall anyways.
What business? We planned to go to Bronze Peak next, after we *possibly* stuck around this vile place long enough to get our Paladin on, and figured out how to help Isen.)

>>23849016
"Stone hall is free of what's been bothering sophie and to a lesser extent, the rest of you."

>>23849132
That's where Robin is going to drop off the Nightmare.

Plus, I think it would be a good idea to talk with Granny again, especially now that we've made contact with the possible Fifth Humor.

>>23849132
I've been asking where stone hall is in relation to bronze peaks for a while now.

>>23849132
For one thing, it's a safe place to tell our friends what's really going on without Citadel reacting.

Secondly, we need to find out what happened in the big gap in the history books between the Caligo Clarus overthrowing the Dragon Who Dwells In Darkness to Citadel's golden age. I figured since Granny has been around for literally centuries, she might know more.

Could we get a rough description of the map as we know it? What relative directions are Stone Hall, Bronze Peak, White Tree, and Citadel from each other, and how far apart in days of travel?

>>23849046
"If you're willing to wait until after my paladin confirmation, me and my friends will be willing to escort you there. We have business to take care of at Stone Hall anyways."

The four all stare at you.

"You're becoming a Paladin?" Barney stares.

"Well done! Well done!" Ambrose says as he come up to shake your hand. "The Caligo Clarus rises up once more! Oh, you MUST let me be your lore master...you'll need a court, and...and...oh I have all the materials you'll need." He laughs and he looks thirty years younger. "Do you have a tower? You simply MUST buy a tower! The Stone Hall lighthouse! Oh, there's so much to DO! Come on boys, I know exactly what books I need to bring!" He starts to walk towards his home.

"Light above," Gregory says. "Never saw ol'Trapper like that." He smiles and then sighs. "But the long journey, Sophie's still reeling, and I have to turn her over to the Mage's soon."

"Stone Hall is one of the few places in the world completely free from...unwelcome influences in your mind and in your life. The same influences that nearly drove Sophie mad, and got you executed."

"Really?" Gregory says. "Look, I can't...I don't think I can pay the traditional tithe to you for the escort."

Widdy leans over and whispers. "Don't offer it for free. Greg hates charity."

>>23849167
The concern was never "telling our friends without Citadel reacting"; Citadel would react to their knowing, not just to their being told.

>>23849197
"Then you'll just have to owe us one of your fantastic machines, now won't you?"

>>23849197
>"Really?" Gregory says. "Look, I can't...I don't think I can pay the traditional tithe to you for the escort."
>Widdy leans over and whispers. "Don't offer it for free. Greg hates charity."

"We're working to help rebuild Stone Hall. If you'd like, you could offer your help to the lizardfolk there; I'd consider that more than payment enough for an escort, and it would also help you get started building a life there."

>>23849197
I have no idea what a cheap (but not insultingly so) tithe for escort would be, not knowing how the economy of this setting works.

Whatever it is, suggest that.

>>23849178
Citadel and Stone Hall are on opposite shore. White Tree is half the distance but more in a south direction. Bronze Peak is closer to Stone Hall than Citadel, and Northern, but you'd get to Bronze Peak before you'd get to Stone Hall if you went there from Citadel.

"You could always make me that armor."

>>23849226
"We're working to help rebuild Stone Hall. If you'd like, you could offer your help to the lizardfolk there; I'd consider that more than payment enough for an escort, and it would also help you get started building a life there."

"So, I'd be signing up for indentured servitude?" Gregory says.

"Sound pretty good to me." Barney says.

Gregory still looks reluctant. Now you understand why he's been able to resist Citadel, Ambrose has his knowledge and Barney has endless curiosity...Gregory's more stubborn than rocks.

>>23849230
Thanks!

>>23849197
"Gregory, you offered to make us some armor of the same style as the finery from the ball. Perhaps you could offer us a discount on that as payment for the escort?"

>>23849230
About how big is the continent?

Does it adjoin any neighboring continents?

Is citadel a point on the map, or a region?

>>23849277
this works very well as a reply
>>23849279

>>23849277
"I see it as less indentured servitude and more of an exchange of favors."

>>23849356
And to add to that:
"And I suspect that once the people of Stone Hall see your work, you'll have more business than you know what to do with. Not just any tailor could make a dress that fits a tail, after all."

>>23849277
To segue from the "indentured servitude" thing before replying with something else, "I only mentioned it because I thought it might help you start drumming up business; I would never suggest you offer any more of your services for free than you considered equal to the tithe you would choose to offer. But in lieu of that..." (the armor suggestion)

>>23849470
this works well and I support it.

>>23849279
"Gregory, you offered to make us some armor of the same style as the finery from the ball. Perhaps you could offer us a discount on that as payment for the escort?"

He tilts his head back and forth. "It depends on the materials, and if you want to do it in a traditional Paladin style, or whatever Old Trapper finds. Not to mention I'm going to have to take all new measurements. You'll be owning ME after this trip...okay." He nods. "Fine, that'll work."

"Blessed be the Light." Barney mutters.

>>23849333
Citadel Kingdom is about as big as North America, give or take. North is uncharted tundra which gives to Arctic, south is predominantly desert and savannah, Purple Sands is the southern most town. River's Crossing is closer to White Tree but is closer to Stone Hall than Citadel.

Citadel is a region. It's massive. Two tokyos can fit inside it, and it actually spills into the ocean as well, there's a whole swath of the city that's technically in open water...but you'd never tell because it's all Citadel. The city is EATING the continent.

The only other known Continent is across the ocean from Citadel. The Phoenix Empire. The only thing you know about it is that it's there, and Isen has to marry a princess from it.

>>23849543
>Purple Sands is the southern most town.

I should say City. There's plenty of small towns and villages at river fords, and forests, and crossroads of the King's Road.

First Wood is between Purple Sands and Citadel, there's mountains between the two smaller cities, and a big lake and a bigger forest at First Wood's area.

>>23849543
>He tilts his head back and forth. "It depends on the materials, and if you want to do it in a traditional Paladin style, or whatever Old Trapper finds. Not to mention I'm going to have to take all new measurements. You'll be owning ME after this trip...okay." He nods. "Fine, that'll work."
"owing", I assume? Because after the indentured servitude comment...

"I suggested a discount, not a gift; if the armor is anywhere near as impressive as the finery, it'd be indentured servitude indeed to ask for it for free. Take what you'd offer for the tithe, cut it off the price, and we'll happily pay the rest.

As for the style, we all greatly liked the symbolism you drew from my medallion, and I'd love to see some armor with that motif. I don't have any particular attachment to the traditional garb of Paladins in general, but I'd certainly like to see what Ambrose finds about the Caligo Clarus, which would hopefully fit with that same motif."

>>23849585
We need a cartographer now.

Now that thats cleared up we should ask about people who similiarily don't seem to fit in and wouldn't be oposed to joining this little caravan.

We should visit [s]Asia[/s] The Phoenix Empire some time.

>>23849631
Sounds like a plan. After we get the details of the armor and the trip settled, "Do you know anyone else who feels the same way about Citadel that you four do, and who tends to have a lot of little things go wrong in their life when they do anything that doesn't fit in?"

>>23849625
I asked in case I want to give it a whack. but I am terrible at it and it will come out like a child's drawing, made in MSpaint, if I even do it.

So, you know, feel free to take the reigns.

>>23849631
it should be a "stone hall relief" caravan. For people who want to help stone hall more than they want to stay in citadel.

>>23849605
"I suggested a discount, not a gift; if the armor is anywhere near as impressive as the finery, it'd be indentured servitude indeed to ask for it for free. Take what you'd offer for the tithe, cut it off the price, and we'll happily pay the rest." You say. "As for the style, we all greatly liked the symbolism you drew from my medallion, and I'd love to see some armor with that motif. I don't have any particular attachment to the traditional garb of Paladins in general, but I'd certainly like to see what Ambrose finds about the Caligo Clarus, which would hopefully fit with that same motif."

"Fine, fine. I get it. Citadel bad, Stone Hall good. I'm in I'm in, just...stop with the speeches." Gregory grumbles. "I'll go get Sophie's stuff."

"He's like that." Widdy says. " He chews his apple and thinks. "Hey, this a whole caravan now?"

>>23849712
It is looking like it.

>>23849678
Do it. You probably will do a better job than me, and all we need is a rough picture to help us in future planning.

>>23849712
"Why, you want to come too?"

I seem to recall that Widdy was the fruit seller who's shop stunk for some unknown reason, so he's probably suffering from Citadel related dickery as well.

>>23849712
It's certainly starting to look like it.

>>23849712
"I am genuinely thinking about making it that way."

>>23849712
>"He's like that." Widdy says. " He chews his apple and thinks. "Hey, this a whole caravan now?"

>>23849743
This.

Also, this seems like a good cue for:
>>23849631

And,
>>23849696
That should be the stated motivation, yeah. Citadel might retaliate against people who just want to leave, while helping Stone Hall provides a good excuse that can just happen to be true.

>>23849739
I'm going to make a simplistic black and white affair that we can easily update, then.

>>23849743
>>23849753
"It's certainly starting to look like it." You sigh. "Why, you want to come too?"

He nods. "Had enough, store stinks from storm drain linked to sewer. Keep saying they'll fix it, never will. I'll go, bring food too for fee. Need a wagon." He says.

>>23849803
"I'm sure we can figure something out. I'm confident there are many like-minded people who would love to help rebuild Stone Hall."

What's the closest city to Citadel in the same direction as Stone Hall and Bronze Peak, but far enough away that Citadel can't actively shape the world in its image other than by whispering in people's minds?

It'd be good to know the best staging area outside of Citadel, plus unless this group wants to hang around for our Paladin ceremony, we might want to escort them there and come back, just to get them out of here as soon as possible.

>>23849803
"By His light. That's the most I've ever seen Widdy speak." Barney says as he keeps loading up his now-personal wagon with his blueprints and inventions. "He must be ecstatic."

"Okay, I have to ask." Mage says. "Is Widdy your ACTUAL name?"

Widdy shakes his head. "Illya Widdershins."

>>23849846
I imagine our trip out of citadel will be a big flight scene, though, and I doubt we will be able to come back after that.

>>23849846
First Wood, if you don't mind the cross circuts from the Fey Court.

Other than that, just small towns like River's Crossing, or little blips on the map like Jubilee.

So, they already had one wagon, and we bought them a second one with their own money; is that not enough to hold five people (Gregory, Ambrose, Barney, Sohpie, and Widdy) and their stuff? Because in theory *one* wagon held our entire party, albeit with far less stuff.

>>23849803
I'll get things started, see about hiring or buying some more wagons and horses to move them. If any of you can think of anyone else to join this send them my way will you?

Okay, you guys make smart decisions, I'm working on a terrible, terrible map.

Oh god it is hard to draw, doubly so with a mouse.

question? How much money do we have? Last thing I knew we had around 200 gold left right?

>>23849873
Oh, I'd expect trouble far sooner than that. Personally, I'm betting that right after we get our Paladin on, Citadel starts trying to influence Paladin minds to order us around.

We can blow it all here in Citadel. It is a big journey. We got new gears already, so we won't need money for that for a while. Any one we can save here will be helpful for the future war efforts.

>>23849903
That was before becoming the Hero of Citadel, though.

>>23849924
precisely why I am asking

>>23849882
Your stuff is your weapons and supplies. Their supplies are their entire homes, and business supplies, and all the stuff they've acquired over their lives. They aren't traveling, they're moving.

Question for Gregory, since his resistance to charity would probably also extend to not giving us a low figure for the "tithe" for an escort: "How much would a typical 'tithe' be for an escort like this, anyway? Not like I've had much experience offering services as a Paladin; I kinda figured most services were done for the sake of doing good, really, so the idea of getting paid something other than a bounty or unexpected reward is kinda novel to me."

>>23849962
That's what I figured, yeah. So, two wagons could carry Gregory, Sophie, Ambrose, and Barney, and a subset of their stuff (packing light and leaving some things), but not Widdy, and not any of us?

>>23850001
I believe we actually have a wagon, but it might be a bit small since it only required Nightmare to move... though he is a magic horse.

>>23850017
Our Nightmare needs a name. How about Agro?

What could go wrong?

>>23849977
"How much would a typical 'tithe' be for an escort like this, anyway? Not like I've had much experience offering services as a Paladin; I kinda figured most services were done for the sake of doing good, really, so the idea of getting paid something other than a bounty or unexpected reward is kinda novel to me."

"Typical is 100 gold a head, but that's just to White Tree." Barney says, as Gregory has gone off. "You'd probably be able to charge 500 gold per person, and a lot extra if they have another wagon. Half of what they're paying for is the reputation and prestige of having a Paladin escort and arriving with a Paladin." He says as he starts to load up his clothes. "It's supposed to be a good Omen, how His Chosen are bringing your own Light with you as you travel. Also, no one's stupid enough to attack a Paladin."

Unless you are insane or bring an army.

>>23850001
Okay, I'll make this simple. With the group you have, including Widdy, to move everything they want, you'll need three full wagons, your traveling wagon, and the horses/oxen to pull them. Even then, someone will always be walking. To get all of that will leave you with about 10 gold in each of your party's pockets. Of course, other people may come, and they will pay you whatever rates you choose to charge.

Is stone hall a coastal city?

Am I right in assuming stone hall is on the opposite coast of citadel?

>>23850065
and unfortunately the kind of people we are looking for aren't going to be exactly rich. Citadel doesn't like them so they don't get all that much business for one reason or another. It wouldn't be right to charge them more then a pittance.

Time for a group conference. Pity we can't hit up Isen for cash or ask Tara about the winnings she made in the arena.

>>23850017
A Nightmare is 50% stronger than a large horse, or twice as strong as a light horse, at least according to standard lore.

>>23850065
>three full wagons, your traveling wagon

All full to capacity, or does that leave room for one more passenger (since before Widdy it sounded like two wagons would suffice not counting us).

>>23850107
Honestly, this won't be the last time we travel, and a small caravan seems preferable here. I'd suggest that other than taking Isen and Tara if they want to go, we ought to go with this.

>>23850065
To any who come: "It is entirely up to them what they choose to pay us, if anything. From a smile to a fortune, it's all the same.

>>23850104
Yes, Stone Hall is on the coast.

It's called Stone Hall because of all the really big tunnels and arches carved into the cliffs. It's a tiered city.

>>23850110
>All full to capacity, or does that leave room for one more passenger

Sophie, and two people who are tired of walking will be riding in the traveling wagon along with a few more stuff.

Everyone else walks.

>>23850162
>Everyone else walks.

What about the snaketrain?

>>23850162
sounds fine to me, wagons are not exactly fast to start with.

>>23850180
bad idea if something DOES ambush us(90% chance heh)

>>23850180
Well, if Tricia wants a ride, sure. But we're not a taxi service, and more than one person would get tiring fast.

>>23850196
Heh, okay Tricia only.

:3

>>23850193
Okay, so you buy another wagon for Widdy and help him, Ambrose, and Gregory get ready to move. Gregory sends a letter to the wizards at Stone Hall that he'll be letting Sophie study with them when she arrives. By this time, the word has gone out that there's a caravan of people who are leaving Citadel to go to Stone Hall to take advantage of the new opportunities there. Also, that it'll be escorted by the Hero of Citadel, the Paladin Serpent herself.

Roll 1d8

Rolled 6

>>23850300

Rolled 3

>>23850304
Respectable.
>>23850300

>>23850300
Oh, no good can come of this.

What was the name of our hometown, and where was it in relation to everything else?

I have most of the things on the map now I think.

>>23850372

River's Crossing.

>>23850372
River's Cross, at the delta of a river, downstream from the first town we visited, White-somthing i think.

>>23850372
>>23850382
Allright, and do we know where first wood is? I forgot to include that as well.

>>23850304
6 groups want to come with you as well.

A butcher and his family. (Wife, two sons)
A carpenter and her husband.
Two bakers who live together.
A bricklayer and his family (5 kids, and the wife is pregnant)
A mortician.

They have their own wagons and beasts of burden. How much are you going to charge them for the honor of being in...well...the Serpent's Trail?

>>23850400
100 gold a head, no charge for kids, and no charge for extra wagons?

>>23850400
Tell them to give something they can spare which they feel they would like us to have. They don't have to give us anything if they don't want to or if they can't afford it, but truly ANY gift, no matter how large or small, will be appreciated equally. It's the gesture that counts.

>>23850400
How about a hundred per wagon? It's potentially less than the traditional hundred-plus per head, but still reasonable.

... it really depends on how well off they are financially. If its all they can do to afford to move then nothing. If they can afford it I say anywhere from 10-100 gold. If they exclaim at the price. say you don't feel right charging more for protecting innocents.

>>23850423

Seconded.

>>23850400
Before we accept anyone, we should talk to them. We're looking for people who had trouble with Citadel in the past. We're not looking for people who *are* trouble from Citadel.

>>23850422
Assuming we accept them (which has little to do with money), then this.

>>23850449
Glad to see someone else remembered we're supposed to be a Paladin or, rather, simply a good person.

>>23850400
I'd vote we don't accept *anyone* who we can't get one of the existing members of the caravan or someone else we know very well to vouch for personally.

Exception: if we talk to them about things that Citadel would rather they don't talk about, and they show all the signs that Citadel hates them, consider them, *maybe*. But we can always make another trip in the future.

>>23850419
>>23850423

Everyone can afford 100 a wagon. But that price might make them uneasy at how cheap it is. Citadel can work on that fear. People might bail, because Citadel will make them think it's a trap.

The bakers and the bricklayer can't afford 100 a head, even with the kids ride free. They do offer to make it up with indentured servitude to cover for it.

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Okay, does this map look at all like what was described?

I am not good at cartography.

>>23850440
>>23850474

For the interviews, roll 6d20 to do a check. And remember, just because you fail, doesn't mean they have a corrupted Citadel Soul.

>>23850492
Move Stone Hall south, and you can never make Citadel too big. Also, connect all those places by the King's road.

>>23850535
Don't connect River's Cross though

Rolled 4, 3, 10, 17, 12, 18 = 64

>>23850513

>>23850535
Is the king's road a all-roads-lead-to-rome kind of deal, or a split up and sprawling thing?

>>23850491
Ok then, 100 a head for those that can afford it(children free), and 100 per cart for those that cant afford it. best of both worlds then?

Rolled 7, 18, 6, 16, 12, 11 = 70

>>23850491
Offer the families instead a portion of their profits when they reasstablish themselves in Stone Hall. That way they can pay it off long term. No more then 50 a head though. If the carpenter, bakers and mortician can afford it up it to 100 a head then.

>>23850513

>>23850554
Sounds fair.

>>23850548
All roads lead to Citadel, PS and FW connect, WT and PS connect, WT and SH connect, WT and BP connect, WT and FW connect, SH and BP connect, PS and SH connect.

>>23850491
If we bring them, tell the bakers to bring extra food for the trip to make up the shortage, and make sure we don't take the last of their money. For the bricklayer, there's more than enough work for him in Stone Hall; tell him that he can offer whatever help he feels necessary to Stone Hall that he considers equivalent to the tithe, but no more. We don't accept servitude, but help is always appreciated.

>>23850513
True, but we don't have to take everyone right away, either. I think we can afford paranoia here.

Get them talking specifically about things that Citadel won't want them talking about; I don't just want to leave out people who are actively corrupted; I'd like to leave out anyone who isn't actively being harried by Citadel on an ongoing basis.

>>23850543
The butcher's clean, you think.
You think the Carpenter's clean
One baker's maybe fine.
Her partner's reeking of Shadows and Sparks.
The bricklayer is fine, you're almost sure.
The mortician is totally clean...if typically creepy.

>>23850598
Which of them seem like Citadel actively gives them trouble, rather than just being "clean"?

Does anyone in our party or the three travelers we know know any of these folks?

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Plenty of room left for more artistic folks than me to draw in characters, if anyone feels so inclined.

>>23850611
i would guess the bakers and bricklayer, as they are the only ones unable to afford the 100 gold a head

>>23850598
Don't out the plant just yet. Ask the iffy baker, alone, how she thinks her partner likes living in citadel. Have her hold your medallion with you as she answers.

>>23850658
Note; By the iffy baker, i mean the one we're not totally sure about.

>>23850658
"the" plant?

>>23850677
the one currently known. there may be others.

>>23850658

This. Ask anyone we're not sure about, too.

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>>23850577
Is this more accurate?

>>23850611
The mortician gets a lot of grief, but that might not be Citadel. People naturally act weird around the guy who takes care of the dead.

The bricklayer always has enough money to feed his family and is happy, but wants to give his kids a chance to not have to follow in his job. He kinds dislikes always having to constantly endlessly build Citadel.

The bakers are really happy with their lives, but want an adventure.

Barney and Ambrose both vouch for the Carpenter's family. She's built things for them before. Nothing BAD has been happening to him, but nothing good really. Her marriage could be better though. She and her husband fight, a lot...and over small stuff that builds into personal attacks.

Widdy and the butcher know each other, they live on the same street and suffer the same smell problem. Also, people make nasty jokes and tease the man because of the smelly meats . The down side is that Widdy knows him because the butcher hates him. He's a massive speciest. Not too fond of you either, but anything to get away from the smell.

>>23850687
Perfect!

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>>23850687
Ah fuck I forgot a few passes that are required for the plot to have happened in the way it did, they are included now.

>>23850716
It's close, but I would suggest checking this one instead, it's got two plot-updated roads.
>>23850730

>>23850704
If we leave anyone it should probably be the butcher, taking a speciest to a city full of Lizard folk just screams Bad Idea to me.

>>23850704
Yeah, it seems like everybody but the bakers are suffering from Citadel's pidgeonholing.

Ask the bakers if they are REALLY sure they want to go "adventuring", People going on this caravan will probably not be coming back to Citadel for a while.

>>23850704
Mortician is clean.

Bricklayer is clean because he loathes Citadel's GROWTH.

Bakers are out because HAPPY and JUST WANT ADVENTURE STORIES.

Carpenter is clean because emotional turmoil and the strife of the real world has reached him, implicitly piercing the veil of Citadel's saccharine fantasy in so doing.

Butcher is clean because he's a bitter fuck.

>>23850704
Leave the butcher out; we don't need that kind of bigotry along for this trip.

Leave the bakers home; Citadel seems to like them just fine and they're looking for an "adventure", which we're not out to offer.

The Carpenter gets in because Barney and Ambrose know her. The bricklayer sounds reasonable as well, and Stone Hall could really use him.

The mortician seems fine too.

>>23850704
>>23850751 :extended...

Leave the bakers behind, take everyone else. Even the butcher. His ignorance is pitiable; let's give him a chance to learn better.

>>23850751
This, but Butcher still stays, clean or not. Citadel is not the source of all bad things in the world; sometimes people go bad all on their own.

>>23850752
We shouldn't leave the butcher out just because he's a bit of an asshole. If we were willing to forgive Odette, then we have the tolerance to bring this guy along. Plus, he has a legitimate grievance against Citadel.

Plus, there's nothing REQUIRING him to stay in Stone Hall. Once we drop him off he's free to take a carriage to any other city.

>>23850752

Pretty much. Don't want an incident, even a minor one.

Also, Echo, what were the two groups that we didn't roll to take with?

>>23850764
Widdy and the butcher hate each other, he's a species-ist, and we're going to a city that the lizardfolk are going to be prominent in.

>>23850772
I don't know about other folks, but I was only willing to forgive Odette because Citadel ruined her and used her as its instrument, which makes it not *completely* her fault. She was still a terrible person, but forgivably so.

The butcher has no particular excuse, it doesn't look like Citadel hates him, and we'll have enough trouble on this trip without him. He can find his own way to wherever he wants to go.

>>23850752
Okay, so you want to keep the Carpenter and her husband, the mortician, and the bricklayer, his pregnant wife, and his four other kids. (8, 11, 11, and 15.)

You'll charge 100 a head for the Carpenter and the Mortician, and you're putting a mild case of indenture servitude on the bricklayer with him giving you a share of his profits for a year, once he gets established at Stone Hall.

>>23850788
(And I wouldn't have taken Odette on this trip, either, whether we forgave her or not.)

>>23850791
No, don't make the bricklayer send *us* the profits. Let him pay whatever services he wishes to the rebuilding of Stone Hall. We don't need the money that badly.

Otherwise that sounds good.

>>23850775
>Also, Echo, what were the two groups that we didn't roll to take with?

More citadel plants. Don't worry.

>>23850812
So what ARE you charging the bricklayer then?

>>23850791
Could we get some names for the Carpenter and husband, mortician, bricklayer and family?

>>23850752
> Leave the bakers home; Citadel seems to like them just fine and they're looking for an "adventure", which we're not out to offer.

Moving to the other side of a continent is an adventure for anyone who isn't, well, an adventurer.

>>23850812
>>23850815
>>23850821
have him send us the money and we can donate it to the stone hall.

We don't want to confuse things any more than they already are. The only reason we're charging in the first place is because people expect it.

>>23850831

Can the Mortician be Brisket Sweats and the Carpenter be Buff Drinklots? Also let's name the bricklayer Thick McRunfast.

>>23850834

It's an adventure for a while, then it gets back into tedium. Plus they're probably plants.

>>23850821
Charge the bricklayer 100 gold each for him and his wife, just like the rest (with the kids free), and tell him that he can offer 200 gold worth of service to the rebuilding of Stone Hall in lieu of payment. (Assuming that works out to be a reasonable amount of work; how many days of work would that be?)

>>23850788
>>23850797
The butcher is suffering the exact same problems Widdy is. His store is in a terrible location and people constantly make fun of him for it.

>>23850852
If it was just that he and Widdy didn't get along, I'd say fine, bring him; he's clean, and one set of personal problems would be OK. Bigotry is why he gets to stay home.

>>23850831
>Could we get some names for the Carpenter and husband, mortician, bricklayer and family?

Okay. In order: Harriet & Oliver Quail, Daniel Dunraven, Robert & Terri Rawe and QUIET ALL OF YOU!

>>23850866
>rejecting helping a guy with a legitimate problem because there's one thing we don't like about him

And you call HIM the bigot...

>>23850866
hey, if he can get over the bigotry if he's getting something he wants, then it means he's not a mindless bigot. He'll lose the bigotry quick in lizard town.

>>23850866
On the contrary, the bigotry is a good reason to bring him along.

People can always change. No one is beyond redemption. No one.

This will be an opportunity for him to learn.

Bring the bigot. If he's not a plant we have no reason not to offer him the trip.

From a previous thread:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/23768347/#p23771373
> An average farmer, selling an average crop would pull in 100 gp. Thanks to the Citadel Blessing, he never misses a month.

So, given that, about how much is 200gp worth of work from the bricklayer in rebuilding Stone Hall? A fraction of a year's work, right?

>>23850887

Make sure the butcher knows that there are lizardpeople there, and give him a stern warning to be nice to them.

>>23850873
I like my names better.

Lunge Deepthrust, Mortician extraordinaire

>>23850887
Remember, it's not just him, you get the wife and the two sons. The kids are okay, they haven't been QUITE marinated in the juices of hate yet, but the wife is a Grade A, PTA Queen, Sister-Better-Than-You, Alpha bitch. She's the one pushing for the butcher to go, while at the same time demanding that he 'do something' about Widdy. Though she's super sweet to your face.

>>23850927
The bricklayers' wife is too busy taking care of her brood and being pregnant, (Don't worry, she's months away. You'll make it with time to spare. Presumably.) and the kids are standard eternal-sugar-rush kids. They run around, touch things they shouldn't, and fight with each other.

>>23850927
If they accept going to a city populated by lizardmen...

I think we should bring 'em.

>>23850905
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/23768347/#p23771413

1200 a year, so 2 months for a farmer, and I would bet a bricklayer gets paid far better, as buildings are expensive.

>>23850927
>>23850943

All of this is acceptable. Also, we should be giving the the pistol to Mari.

Seriously.

Really, why does she not have it on her already?

>>23850971
Probably because no ammo exists for it.

Yet.

>>23850927
Yeah, between him and his wife, this seems like a Bad Idea. What good comes of taking him, other than a bit of gold we don't really need? There's a whole city worth of people here that need saving; we don't have to evacuate everyone bothered by Citadel *today*.

>>23850943
Sanity check on time, here:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/23768347/#p23777098
> It's a week's worth of travel from Stone Hall to Gand Citadel

That was with us in a cart, rather than walking, but still, that gives a pretty good idea of distance.

>>23850957
He does, but his family is big and expensive. His counter offer is that he pays you 100 for him and his wife, and he'll work at Stone Hall, and send you the remaining 100 when he's got it.

He's like Gregory. Proud as hell, and doesn't want to bow his head to anyone. He's not too ashamed about being in debt, anyway, being in debt to a Paladin doesn't just mean you owe them money, you also are leveraging your soul, really.

>>23850971
because its not ours? also, I highly doubt we have easy access to black powder.

>>23850985
It was loaded and dangerous when Sophie had it, no?

>>23850927
Fuck no. We've dealt with Odette. I don't want to deal with another for the time being.

>>23850998
"That is perfectly acceptable."

>>23850989
Yeah, with the current caravan of you, the Garishes, Barney, Ambrose, Widdy, the Quails, the Rawes, and Mr. Dunraven. It's going to take you about two weeks at least. Unless you want to try and take a shortcut off of the King's Road.

>>23850943
Make it clear to them that while we'll make sure everyone stays safe, this is not a danger-free trip, and we don't need kids wandering off and needing saving. We really don't want to regret saying that kids ride for free.

>>23851005

Can we confront the wife, and give her a talking-to? If we can't with any reasonable amount of success, don't take them. Otherwise, do.

>>23851005
Then you REALLY don't want another racist cunt with a grudge against the filthy snake-beast who refused to take her to Stone Hall.

>>23851000
We actually never checked.

>>23851021
Two weeks is just fine; no shortcuts, please, and no need for a grueling pace. And no fording rivers, either.
>>23851024
Not a chance; one conversation won't solve any problems, and she can probably fake sweetness for as long as she needs to.

>>23851042
oh. well then forget that idea.

>>23850998
That's acceptable, though if paying 100 gold now would leave him with very little to set up with, tell him that the full 200 can wait until he has it.

>>23851052
>And no fording rivers, either.
Everyone drowns in dysentery.

>>23851023
Oh, she's aware. She's kept these brats in line for a while. You think she's a hair too strict with them sometimes, but then again she IS pregnant.

So, everyone's still up in the air about the butcher.

>>23851042
It wasn't, but it was still a gun in the hands of a mage who can't control her powers. Not a good thing.

Barney claims that he destroyed the blueprints for the thing, because it scared him, but you have doubts. The man keeps plans for a hat and belt that stick to the wall that let you sleep upright.

He did take the gun back, he says there's no shot, powder, or wadding for it anyway. Again, you have doubts, but Barney's treating the thing like it could explode, so maybe it's best in his hands.

>>23851078

About the butcher: What is our, as Ssen, 's best guess as to what will happen if we drop the butcher's family off in Stone Hall? Will they hurt anyone? Will they eventually get less bigoted?

>>23851021
So, we have the five/six of us (Ssen, Tricia, Mage, Lea, and Mari/Peri), Gregory and Sophie Garish, Ambrose, Widdy, Harriet and Oliver Quail, Robert and Terri Rawe and four kids, and Dunraven.

>>23851078
> He did take the gun back, he says there's no shot, powder, or wadding for it anyway. Again, you have doubts, but Barney's treating the thing like it could explode, so maybe it's best in his hands.

Ask him if he could please partially disassemble it, and keep the pieces separately, for the duration of the trip.

>>23851078
If we *don't* take the butcher today, what are his (or rather, his wife's) immediate plans?

>>23851127
Roll 1d20

Rolled 16

>>23851133

Rolled 12

>>23851133
NAIVE PALADIN DIE GO

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>>23851142
Solid.

I personally think taking the butcher and the wife is a good idea. Precisely because they ARE racist assholes. They won't change. I know that type. However it will prove a counterpoint to the genuinely nice people that Citadel also persecutes. Once the Citadel dies it will be people like him populating it alongside the people who ARE genuinely nice and wish for a better future. We have to take the good and the bad together otherwise we are no better then Citadel looking to build a perfect society and rejecting the unwanted.

>>23851142
It's way too late for those two, they'll be the same assholes there as they are here. They may cause some trouble too.

But getting to Stone Hall might cause their kids to escape the hate cycle.

Might.

>>23851157
Was beginning to wonder why you hadn't posted in an hour. Now I see. A very good point, btw.

>>23851165
Worth it.

>>23851165

When you get there, talk to their kids. Help set them on the right path. Also, warn Grams about the butcher's wife. That should cover it, and let them come.

What we can do however is punish racism. Hate crimes and such should be treated just as severely as the serious crime it is. Furthermore we can teach their children that their parents are outright WRONG for holding those views. Show them that Lamia and Lizard folk and Elves are neat because they are different then them rather then disgusting and other and that will become acceptance.

>>23851157
10/10 radaeth good point.

>>23851157
I think you're mixing long-term and short-term plans. Citadel and Stone Hall are huge cities; we're not staging a mass exodus today, we're just helping our friends get there, and some other folks who wanted along for the ride. We're not setting Stone Hall's immigration policy, here.

>>23851165
They'll be around when we're back in Citadel, too. And the wife's comment about wanting her husband to "'do something' about Widdy" goes beyond basic bigotry into actively doing hateful things. Leave them.

>>23851165
Seems we've come to a general consensus. Take them with for the sake of the kids, and just tolerate the parents. (Also keep an eye on the bitch.)

Is it too much to ask to not invite trouble along for the ride, here? A larger caravan is more trouble to keep safe, and we're already talking about (counting) seven wagons. That's already more wagons than we have members of our party.

Proposal: talk to Widdy and the three original travelers, here. Tell them the situation, and *ask* them if they want the butcher and his family along. They're the original customers, here.

>>23851243
I have to do this, because it's just too too perfect.

"It's too dangerous now to risk things, we should wait until after the war with Citadel to change things. Now's not the time to risk."

Who does that sound like?

We've spent hours now debating this. Echo please make a call as to what the majority attitude seems to be and roll with that please.

>>23851255

YOu know what? That's a much better idea.

>>23851261


Eh. Save that for the "No" speech. Ask widdy, he should get a say.

>>23851261
Ah, good, so if we leave them behind then Citadel might give us less trouble when leaving. Sounds like a plan.

We don't have to thwart Citadel at every turn, here. We accepted the painting, back in the day.

>>23851261
wait what? why are we telling ANYONE there is a war with citadel?

>>23851261
hell that sounds like what I said with the painting.

>>23851281
I don't think anyone said that; Echo was just taunting us by saying we sound like Citadel in not wanting to rock the boat by taking the butcher along. Because taunting from the GM is a *great* reason to make a questionable decision and invite trouble. :)

>>23851261
hah! (in case you missed it that was Odette's words when we were battling the Ghouls at Stone Hal, paraphrased of coursel)

>>23851212
We can't be everywhere, and if citadel does die we most likely will be far to busy to do anything about hatred on an individual scale. What we can do is however is lead by example and the tale on how the Serpent Paladin showed a family acceptance and taught their kids the right way of doing things is an excellent thing.

>>23851261
Except in order to fight Citadel, we need allies. We'll never get anywhere if we don't take the opportunity to gain any.

>>23851261
Granny?

>>23851261
"No, Ssen, you are the Odette." And then Ssen had legs.

>>23851255
Widdy shrugs. "Lots of nasty talk, kids knocked over cart once. Rather not see 'em again." He sighs. "But your go, if you can keep 'em in line."

>>23851280
>>23851281
I'm sorry that was a parable. I'm saying that when you say 'it's too risky to chance policy change right now, wait until later' you're using the same argument Odette made.

>>23851270
>02:08
>hours

>>23850704
>01:19

>>23851303
As one of the ones arguing for not taking them, I'd settle for the proposal of asking Widdy, Gregory, Ambrose, and Barney, and going with what they decide.

>>23851327
>I'm sorry that was a parable. I'm saying that when you say 'it's too risky to chance policy change right now, wait until later' you're using the same argument Odette made.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar

>>23851327
So we make it clear to everyone that anyone who causes trouble for any other member of the caravan gets left behind, stranded.

Done. We bring them all and everyone behaves.

>>23851361
And give them a story to rile up Citadel with, about the Paladin who promised an escort and then abandoned them?

>>23851327
>Widdy shrugs. "Lots of nasty talk, kids knocked over cart once. Rather not see 'em again." He sighs. "But your go, if you can keep 'em in line."

Could we hear from the other three too, please?

>>23851342
Widdy says he doesn't want them.

Gregory doesn't want those two boys near Sophie. They've just hit puberty, and well...he's doing the big brother thing.

Barney says that he's had the kids over for a tour of his museum once, and that they're good at heart.

Ambrose says that the Caligo Clarus should offer help to those who ask for it, regardless of what kind of person they are.

>>23851261
Good point, Echo. Although you brought this upon yourself by doing something so complex.

Bakers are clearly bad news, I'm feeling like no towards the Butcher...although we can risk it. I think risk is our natural state. Bricklayers could use a blessing, maybe that would help the wife (we should bless them all before the trip).

Just bring the butcher, and make it clear we won't stand for any of his bullshit during the trip.

>>23851386
Good call; we're offering a Paladin escort, so a group blessing before the trip seems like a great idea.

>>23851386
>Good point, Echo. Although you brought this upon yourself by doing something so complex.

Yeah, this kind of spiraled out of control. Thankfully, once you hit the road, I'll streamline it...a lot.

>>23851375
Our word against theirs, it'd go poorly for them.

>>23851384
Every member of the Buther's family has 1/4 the whole vote against them. They come with.

>>23851384
I agree with Ambrose obviously hah

So its baiscally mirrors whats going on in thread. One against, One fairly neutral (Just big brother instincts) One for the kids and one for everyone .

>>23851386

Speaking of bless, every night, by yourself, pray for the safety of all the people, and for the butcher's family especially.