>>23137320

"... Well yes, but it depends on the method you're referring to. One time transfusions can be done with some sort of medium. A Jewel like I use would work, or blood. Of course, the more compatible the two people are, the more likely the success. you could also make some sort of Magical bond to make the flow more effective."

"Like the bonding of a Servant?"

"Kinda. Servants are Ghosts designed to do that though, linking humans is trickier. Swapping blood or some form of ritualized or intimate contact would smooth the process and strengthen the bond, but it also complicates the process."

"Intimate contact?" I ask. "Like a kiss or something? We could make a contract like that?"

"... Yes." She responds blushing. "But that's not exactly as.... involved. Making a contract like that wouldn't have any real benefit than us just saying the words and making a pact."

"So what, the more intimate the stronger the bond?"

"Basically, yes." She answers. I try to get her to clarify, but she instead goes to find Sakura to begin her Magic lessons.

>Actions?

>>23137324
"Hey Ilya, you're not afraid of needles, are you?"

>>23137381
Wait what.

I don't follow you here. Anything that statement could lead to seems like a baaaaaad idea.

>>23137447
Blood transfusion so we can get MOAR MANA. Since Ilya is LOADED with the stuff, she's the best donor. Also she'll be our blood sister afterwards.

>>23137324
So, I think last thread we decided:
Consult Ilya about being a mana battery for us, but no-go if it stands to hurt/injure her.
Also on the cards was Rin getting Saber once Rider goes back to Sakura.

And alternate proposal was to have Rin fuel us (loldolphins) and to have Ilya run Saber to give her hax quantities of prana. That said, I am wary of that one due to the last time Rin tried to give us jewel!prana, it nearly killed us.

>>23137324
Rin, spectacularly unhelpful as always.

Well, lets get back to the real issue. THAT DAMN BIKE.

>>23137324
[x] Ask Illya for prana contract.

>>23137482
>the last time Rin tried to give us jewel!prana, it nearly killed us.
So, we just can't use the jewel method. Guess we'll have to resort to a more. . . intimate method.

>>23137509
I think the problem is that her own prana is so strongly inherently "Jewel" element, that it reacts badly to us, not the delivery method. To to mention our element is so strongly "Sword" it reacts horribly to other stuff.

Like mixing a strong alkali and a strong acid as opposed to a weak alkali and a weak acid.

>>23137533
Are you implying that us getting intimate with Rin could kill us?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd4YgudTcnM

>>23137553

Oh, well, if it's just regular fucking-for-fun, then no worries, we can be "intimate" with Rin all we want.

I'm just saying we need to be exceedingly cautious about any actual transference of mana.

Rolled 17

>>23137324

Find Little Sista.

Inquire about mana battery-ing since Rin is being unspectacularly helping.

"I don't know why shes like that. It's only a kiss right?" /shirou

>>23137581
I'm pretty sure there is a world of difference between intimate prana transfer and just shoving a prana pill down our throat like she did previously.

As long as we don't go gobbling down any more jewels we should be fine.

>>23137447
Blood transfusion. It's the SFW version of Fate's more infamous prana transfers.

>>23137581
Basically: practice safe sex when boinking unless we've figured out how our prana interacts with hers.

>>23137324
Pasting actions from last thread.

>[x] Talk to Ilya.
Mention that Avenger wanted the Einzbern's knowledge of the Grail as well as Ilya herself for some unknown purpose.
Ask her about Shirou's problems with low prana capacity and see if she can help with that.

>[ ] Talk to Sakura
Kinda too late for this, but I want to call out Sakura on waking up really early to make breakfast.
Ask if she had any weird dreams involving Shirou and/or Servants again.

>[ ] Talk to Saber
Ask her if she can pull the sword that Rin detected out of Shirou's body.
Alternatively, spar with her [s]using those spanking new weapons copied from Gil.[/s]

To clarify on the Ilya vote, keep the contract between them non-sexual.
Ask for a lecture on anything and everything prana related.
Ask for other alternatives besides loldragon/loldolphins, and if none are available then that's the end of it.

>>23137605
So you're saying we DON'T offer Rin oral? Bad form!

From last thread:
>[ ] Talk to Ilya.
Mention that Avenger wanted the Einzbern's knowledge of the Grail as well as Ilya herself for some unknown purpose.
Ask her about Shirou's problems with low prana capacity and see if she can help with that.

>[ ] Talk to Sakura
Kinda too late for this, but I want to call out Sakura on waking up really early to make breakfast.
Ask if she had any weird dreams involving Shirou and/or Servants again.

>[ ] Talk to Saber
Ask her if she can pull the sword that Rin detected out of Shirou's body.
Alternatively, spar with her using those spanking new weapons copied from Gil.

I would add talk to Rider or Caster, but relevant topics of conversation elude me at the moment.
Choices are personally prioritized from highest to lowest.

I'd like to veto that blood transfusion idea as hard as I can, because what the actual fuck guys.

We should look into tracing that sword in us. Fast, easy way to solve at least one mystery. Who knows, we might have a Jewel Sword!

Rolled 17

>>23137715

Please detail us your objection(s) to the proposed method for prana replenishment.

Would you prefer us to use the dolphin method instead?

For AC-Guy's sake, let's ask Rin the details on mana transfers rather than Ilya, and then ask if there are other SFW methods (Like through blood).

As far as Ilya's concerned, I'd rather give her Saber and have Rin power us through mana transfers, although Ilya could probably support Saber and give us blood for extra mana if it came down to it.

Rolled 18

>>23137770

But she already bailed on us.

I guess we could ask Caster but she already said her magic is different from that of the present day.

>Still no consensus then?

>>23137803

Bring on the little sista

>>23137803
I think 'talk to Ilya' is beating 'chase Rin'.

>>23137770
>, let's ask Rin the details on mana transfers rather than Ilya, and then ask if there are other SFW methods (Like through blood).

Look, Ilya's mentally older than us. She's also damn smart when it comes to actual magecraft. Possibly as much as RIn.

She can give us good answers, kiddy demeanour or not.

>>23137770
I'm kinda wary of having Saber form a contract with Ilya. Trusting her is fine, but it's the rest of the Einzberns I'm worried about. They might just finish the job that Kiritsugu almost accomplished by using any means at their disposal.

That gave me an idea though. Do we still have those catalysts Kiritsugu left for Shirou after the 4th War?

>>23137803
Seconding little sister lecture on prana.

>>23137803
Ilya. We'll probably make an ass of ourselves, since god knows Shirou probably hasn't picked up on the whole "mana transfer = sexy time" thing yet, but we need answers dammit!

>>23137753
First there's the part where we're drinking blood. That's just nasty and all kinds of unsanitary. Sure, vampires do it, but then again fuckmothering vampires.

Second is the signal it sends to our friends and allies, that we value our contributions over theirs, and are willing to harm or disadvantage them to have our way. Of course they almost certainly are aware that pure practicality is driving us, but it sends uncomfortable signals.

Last but not least is the metagame reason, but only because Shirou doesn't know enough to see it. What is Illya to the Einzbern family? A daughter, or a resource? She was made to be used by her family. What would having her act as Shirou's blood bank and mana vault be doing to her? Treating her like a resource.

We are better than that.

Take a nap, get some light exercise is my vote. Spar with Saber?

>>23137915
>drinking
Dude, that's not how transfusions work. At all. Have you ever given blood? That's basically how a transfusion works, but there's a person on the other side rather than a bag.

>>23137835
Oh, I know that Ilya knows just as much if not more about magecraft than Rin. I was going along the metagaming lines of "Let's NOT ask our little sister if she can help us with our mana problems, when all we IC is that it's 'intimate.'"

>>23137930
I thought it had to be fresh blood to be most effective? Either way I said "drinking" to maximize the "ew gross" factor.

I figured that it would be a transfusion, but that's almost as bad, given we have no idea about our character's blood types.

>>23137915
Dude we're going to ask her for her help, not treat her like a resource.
>>23137942
>kiss
>blood
>verbal contract
There's also 'ritual', which for all we know could involve Ilya smacking Shirou in the face with a half-frozen tuna.

>>23137915
>
Second is the signal it sends to our friends and allies, that we value our contributions over theirs, and are willing to harm or disadvantage them to have our way. Of course they almost certainly are aware that pure practicality is driving us, but it sends uncomfortable signals.


You don't seem to get how teamwork between a group of hyperspecailised individuals works. Everyone contributes via the means that is most appropriate to their abilities, not by some arbitrary measure of contribution and participation.

Besides, they're all mages. They're far more ruthless than us about this whole thing.

What your'e saying is akin to that we should punch people with bullets rather than using them as ammo for a gun because that values the contribution of the gun over the bullet. It's absurd, even when dealing with people and comrades.

>>23137915

We specifically chose Ilya and/or Sakura as they don't have a contribution to our combine war strength. Of course if Berserker reveals himself again, that changes things but she is currently the top pick as Sakura is most likely going to power Rider.

>>23137981
It's not a traditional medical transfusion. It's more of a magical process. The "transfusion" is a symbolic facilitator for the ritual.

>>23137981
Considering that Ilya is a homonculus and Shirou is... who fucking knows at this point, I think a far more pertinent question would 'is that even blood DID IT JUST WINK AT ME OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK'

>>23137981
>I thought it had to be fresh blood to be most effective?
You can run a transfusion straight from one person to another. That's how field transfusions work, they've been able to do it since at the very least the Korean War. The "in" end of the line goes in one guy's arm, the "out" end goes in the other.
But you're right about blood type, that could have nasty mundane medical side effects. And unfortunately Fate is one of the only major Japanese series that DOESN'T have official blood types for the characters so I can't just go check (I tried to just now).

>>23138007
The blood is the medium and not the source? Got it, though that STILL means we might be ingesting it, blech.

>>23138017
Hah, touché.

>>23138038
>unfortunately Fate is one of the only major Japanese series that DOESN'T have official blood types
Goddamn it Nasu you make sweet love to every other VN stereotype, why not this one? Wait I bet it's Takeuchi Takashi's fault again.

Seriously though, let's not turn Illya into a blood bank.

>>23137992
The mental image of Ilya and Shirou doing the fish slap dance to recharge mana amuses me to no end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s

>>23138129
As much as I absolutely LOVE Monty Python, let's not derail this thread with it just yet. After all, we ARE after the Holy Grail. The fact that we've avoided any references yet is astonishing.

>>23138172
Wait, you missed that reference all the way back in the fifth thread?

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>>23138172
>After all, we ARE after the Holy Grail

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>>23137915
>Not wanting to drink your imouto`s sweet blood.

>>23138297
I don't know about you friend, but I don't sail no red seas, and I certainly don't go for a drink.

I'm voting for asking Ilya about methods of mana transfer because at this point she's the only experienced option we have that can be mature about it. (Goddamnit Rin! We're fighting a war here!) We should also ask if she's willing to host Saber. It'll be a pretty rude, too-soon, question considering poor berserker but I think she'll come around if we point out that it's to keep her safe from whatever Avenger's plan is for her.

I wander the house for a while, looking for Ilya. After a few minutes, I see her staring at her sleeping friend with a measure of disappointment. "He's lazy."

"He's young. dogs need more sleep than people, and puppies even more so."

She pouts slightly in response, before shaking her head and looking at me. "Did you need something Onii-chan?"

"Actually, I was wondering if you knew anything about prana transfers." I tell her, sitting down. "Rin gave me a couple of really basic pieces of information, but she seems... a bit busy and distracted."

Ilya shrugs and sits down. "Alright. What did you want to know?"

"Well, how about Magical bonds? She said that there were one time ones like blood, but there's also the semi-permanent kind. She also said it was harder for people to make a connection like that than between something like a person and a Servant."

Ilya nods. "Servants are made with the intention of that kind of bond in mind. The thing is, people have... baggage. emotions, memories, differing methods of teaching and learning magic. Different genetics. Different outlooks on life." She makes a few hand gestures with a distant gaze, as though building a person right between us. "The more different the people, the more 'walls' in the way of a connection. There are ways to bypass the walls, and circumvent things. Take servants: without an artifact, you would summon the person most suited to work as your partner. If an artifact is used, you'd summon that person. But let's say there's an artifact that could correspond to more than one hero: a sword passed down a family line, a symbol of a religious order, a chunk of the Round Table. You'd summon the 'best' match from those possible servants."

"So not only are they a ghost, they're the most compatible possible ghost." Ilya gives me a firm nod. "Makes sense, I suppose. So what about people?"

"It depends on the person. It would be easier with blood relatives than outsiders, but beyond that I'm hardly an expert."

>>23138229
>>23138172

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQI5fdVCvlU

>>23138362

"So you and I couldn't?"

"Probably not." She answers with a shrug "At least not using a normal method. There's different ways: Emotional closeness would be a good start, but we'd have to achieve pretty much the exact same wavelength to actually MAKE the bond."

"From an emotional standpoint."

"It's possibly the best route for that kind of a connection. " She responds. "There are one-time things like using blood, but that isn't exactly a connection you could really use as an effective anchor."

"Alright. So extreme emotional similarities?" I ask "Like what?"

".... Any of them? Terror, joy, anger.... Most obvious one is just sex. Temporary magic boost from the act, emotional intimacy, joyful climax..." Her voice trails off slightly. "It's practically a ready-made checklist, actually. I'm surprised you didn't know that, since it's just lacking a quick enchantment to make it stick."

"I'm really new to most magic. I was barely able to cast anything before the war started. Besides, that's not something I think Rin would want to talk about."

"Why not? Have you two not...?"

".... No, no we haven't." I raise an eyebrow. "Why does everyone just assume I'm thinking with my pants?"

"Well she just seemed the closest. Sakura then?" I shake my head. "Saber? .... Not Caster, surely. Rider?"

"Nobody, alright?" I respond, flustered.

Ilya just stares at me disbelieving. "Wait, I thought you were crazy because of hormones or something."

"And you were fine with that?"

"Well it goes both ways!" She responds exasperated. "So what, you just filled your home and sanctum with known enemies 'just because'? Did Dad not teach you ANYTHING about how Magi work?" She concludes her outburst by burying her face in her hands, almost like she's trying to hide her anger from you.

>What say?

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>Kinda too late for this, but I want to call out Sakura on waking up really early to make breakfast.

Hmmm......

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>>23138367

>Rin, Sakura, Saber,... Caster then Rider?

mfw Ilya is detailing our points total

mffw again when we have more caster points than Rider

>>23138367
"Dad was a lot more laid-back than i'm told he used to be after the war. Also, I think we've managed to survive this long precisely *because* we've been friendly with "known enemies" and helping them out when reasonable. Like you said, works both ways."

>>23138434
I get the feeling Caster would be more "doting Aunt/big sister" than love interest in terms of points. She's got it pretty hard for Souichibro, after all.

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>>23138129
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s
Pah-ha ha! I'd have swore I saw every Python sketch ever made (Including How To Irritate People and other obscure specials), but I've never seen that before! When did it air?

>>23138367
>She concludes her outburst by burying her face in her hands, almost like she's trying to hide her anger from you.

>Shirou takes strangers into his home without considering the danger
>Illya's Face When

This is a perfect Bonding moment, come think of it.

>"Well it goes both ways!"

> "So what, you just filled your home and sanctum with known enemies 'just because'? >

>Did Dad not teach you ANYTHING about how Magi work?"

Now's the time to make a profound statement about Shirou's relationship with Kiritsugu. About how Dad tried to shelter him from Kerry's monstrous past.

(Perhaps this might be the time to reveal the tragic backstory stuff Berserker had us hold off on until later?)

>>23138434

>That's not what that was. She was just listing off people you could be shaking up with.

>Other than Rin topping the list, it's not necessarily an accurate label for who's got the most points. I'm not going to tell you flat out, probably ever there.

>>23138434
She said "Not Caster, surely."
I get more of a "you have the least points with Caster" vibe off of that since she's the only one Ilya dismissed as a possibility out of hand.
>>23138367
"Not really. I mean he gave me some bare basics that boiled down to 'most Magi are assholes', but that was about it. I think he wanted to keep me away from all this, actually."

>>23138486

>Fsucking typos.

>>23138443
Seconding this. Maybe sprinkle in some fond memories to give Ilya a better feel for what it was like. Preferably while gently pulling her hands away from her face and then giving her a cooldown hug. We still need to ask if she's cool with driving Saber soon and we need to warn her that Avenger has an unknown plan for her that is probably not comfortable.

>>23138493
>Fsucking typos
>Fsucking
That HAD to be on purpose.

>>23138507
>>23138478
>>23138443

These are cool. Let's go with this.

>>23138367

"Not really. He didn't want me to be a Mage, and only agreed to teach me enough to keep me from getting myself killed practicing magic. Ironically, it now seems that if that's all I had, it would've been exactly enough to get me killed practicing magic."

>>23138367
>"Well it goes both ways!" She responds exasperated. "So what, you just filled your home and sanctum with known enemies 'just because'? Did Dad not teach you ANYTHING about how Magi work?"
"He didn't. I suspect he wanted me to have as little to do with magical society as possible.

"Kiritsugu left a journal. I just found it, and the last war almost makes ours look nice. No vampires or demons though, but it was bad. And the things that father did make me wonder if I ever knew him."

Probably a bad time, but I'm starting to regret not telling her right off.

>>23138493
Perception filters are bitches

Much like they're probably plot elements. I swear, Law of Narrative Economy states that AC-guy wouldn't just bring up Archer's quip about Rin's panties (and her rather nonchalant reaction to our mentioning of them) without that being important in a broader picture.

I swear, there's something big staring us straight in the face which we can't see.

>>23138434
That can't be a sequential list of our points totals. No way.
We basically ignored Saber, and Sakura to some extent, for fucking AGES, while we've consistently made it a point to hang out with Rider.
Ilya was just going down the list of fuckable women currently inhabiting the house.

>>23138367
>Did Dad not teach you ANYTHING about how Magi work?

"NOPE! He was helpful like that. But here is the way I figure it: If Caster is here, she can't be off somewhere else setting up the magical equivalent of a nuclear bomb, right? Friends close, enemies closer and all that junk."

>>23138563
>setting up the magical equivalent of a nuclear bomb

Oh god, I just had a horrifying idea.

Could we Project a Davy Crockett?

>>23138580
>Could we Project a Davy Crockett?
Have we ever played MGS3?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aHQnDTd1y4

>>23138580
Well, we'd need to see one first, but it's probably not conceptually too different from a gun. Using one, on the other hand, would be difficult, as collateral damage would be a bitch to manage

>>23138367
"He did, but he told me it would be better if I didn't follow the same rules that other magi tended to follow, Outside of telling everyone about magecraft anyway. It's not like I had some sort of mystery for them to steal."

>>23138553
There's at least one we've been ignoring for a while according to the dream-spirit/Zeltrech/who/whatever-the-fuck that was, but I can't see it. Should we start going over the old threads again, see what plot points we've missed?

>>23138602
>>23138580
Too many moving parts.

Besides, Gaia would spam Counter Guardians on our ass SO hard for making such a bomb.

>>23138539
Well, this is the part where we get all shout-y now so that we can have a heart-warming making up scene later.

DRAMA POINTS!

>>23138367
"Not really, Ilya. Dad didn`t want me to be a mage in the first place. It was only after he found out that I am capable of doing magic and have magic circuits that he decided to teach me. And thats only after I pestered him for a long time about how I wanted to become a hero just like he wanted to be. Well, the only thing he taught me about magic was the tracing and strenghtening thing. But Rin told me recently that this is a completly inefficient way of learning magic, so .. I kind of suspect that even after he started teaching me he wanted to minimalize the things I would know and be able to do with magic. "

>>23138617
I say yes, but it's 3am here. I have a 10 am appointment. It's Someone Else's Problem

>>23138616
>Hmmm? Where's my post? Why is no one posting? Oh, thread lags like a bitch for me when it updates now. Fun.
>>23138617
I was doing that for a bit before I got distracted some point through thread 8. Although I didn't pick up on offhand comments like that though, so there's probably a lot I missed.

>>23138642
Feh. I'm not working tomorrow, but Fire Emblem just arrived so I'm booked. I'll see about doing a re-read before the next thread.

>>23138659
Ah cool. Send me a message with anything you think is notable.

>>23138617

It was just Zelretch being Zelretch. We can ignore it until he shows up and slaps us with his magical cock in the face for doing it wrong.

>>23138367
"Nope.
So this 'emotional similarity' thing. You're my sister, and I'm your brother. Could we focus on that and use it?"

>>23138722

>Zelretch

Except it's clearly Merlin. He was described as not looking anything like Zel, has a connection to Saber via the sheath, and wants to protect/save 'HER'.

Nothing except metagaming, done badly at that, points to him. Even THEN the Meta points more towards Merlin.

>>23138686
Only things I found so far were things we already knew. Give me a few days to throw all of F/SA on my kindle and reread it away from any distractions.

>>23138788
>throw all of F/SA on my kindle
Now there's an idea; resize the text before you convert it and it'd work pretty good. Thanks, been looking for more material for the device.

"No he didn't. The more I learn, the more obvious it is that he wanted to keep me out of this. I'm not a great mage, and I'm very altruistic. I think he was trying to protect me by keeping me uninvolved."

"So he kept you in the dark? How would that keep you safe?"

"Well, I apparently have no sense of self preservation for one. Remember that time we fought near the church? That was literally my first day as a real mage. I just learned there was more to the universe.... a couple hours before that."

There's a long and almost painful silence as we stare at each other. "I had actually forgotten about that. You ran straight AT Berserker twice, once by explosion."

"To be fair, the explosion was an accident. I was trying to steal the car."

There's another drawn out silence. "Well if you need, I guess I could give you some Mana. I'm not sure how well it would work though. We're both kinda... weird, magically. For completely different reasons." she shakes her head. "Onii-chan? I know this is all.... unusual circumstances, but.... Try to take better care of yourself?"

I give her very vague assurances that I will, while she goes back to being disappointed in her puppy's relative lack of energy.

>Actions?

>>23139025
Hm... sword training time. That or work on doombike.

>>23139025
Time for more of THIS BIKE

>>23139025
If we're feeling good on mana, lets work on swords. Maybe try to project the mystery sword we're apparently go lodged in our gut.

If we don't have the juice for it, then its time for THAT BIKE.

>>23139025
[x] tactical combat hug
"I would never have met you if I hadn't got involved in this wizard crap. That alone makes it all worthwhile."

>>23139025
>>23139097
seconding hug. THEN WE WORK ON OUR STEED, THE DOOMBIKE. Why? BECAUSE FUCK GILGAMESH, THE NEXT TIME WE SEE HIM WE'RE GOING TO DO SOME DRIVEBY HRUNTING / GAE BOLG'ING

>>23139116
To REALLY make it work best we need Lancer to do the Gae Bolging while riding bitch. Then after we're done we can make a crack along the lines of "Gee Lancer, for someone who's NOT a gay space pirate you didn't have much of a problem going ass to cock with a guy."

>>23139097
Thirding this. And adding talking to Ilya about hosting Saber. She's going to need protection for whatever BBEG plan is brewing and an Ilya+Saber combo is about is good as we've got. If we can find Avalon already Ilya might actually make it.

Just want to remind your guys that last thread we found out that apparently Ilya is a chunk of avenger's plan and we essentially pissed not only her guardian away but the big wild card that made attacking us risky. We NEED to vote to get saber to take care of her as soon as we can or we WILL end up with an unlimited blade works Ilya. If you know what I mean... ;_; Waifu-quest is all fine and dandy but pay attention to the very real danger here.

I pause, turning back to Ilya and giving her a quick hug. "Hey, it has it's good points. I got to meet you."

She smiles, and I head back to the shed. I've got some time to practice magic, but first I'm going to examine the bike.

>Give me a d20 for PROGRESS!

Rolled 6

>>23139278
Hoo boy.

Rolled 15

>>23139278
HA HA TIME FOR FAILURE

Rolled 17

>>23139278
Come on dad, if you're watching, help us out here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kqls64aYUs

Rolled 19

>>23139278
Come on bike-dono. We need you to lead us in glorious combat to avenge your mistreatment at the hands of your former master.

Rolled 10

>>23139278
Progressism ho

>>23139025
Turn the bike into a sword.

>>This Bike.

>>23139397
SWORDBIKE

IT'S A SWORD WITH WHEELS

Rolled 7

>>23139468
NO, NO. IT'S THE GAY BULGE ON WHEELS. DO YOU HAVE THE RAW ASS, KING OF HEROES?

Rolled 6

>>23139468
>not SWORDROBOTBATTLESHIP
Smalltime.

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>>23139468
Taken to the next level.

>>23139483
>Rolled 7
And then Gilgamesh was all "Chains of Heaven" and had Enkidu anally rape us until we died. Bad End

>Tiger Dojo
>Did you really think the King of Heroes would be killed by something so petty. And with such a lame one-liner?
>Try coming up with a real plan next time!

>>23139513
No. That's stupid. Motorcycles already react poorly to FOD. Replace the wheels with chainsaws and you have all the stability of an obese woman held up by Urkel.

So what, the dice show mercy for once and then AC-Guy up and dies on us?

>>23139595
I like to think that He enjoys writing 4 or 5 hilarious troll posts in prep and then he has to start over because /tg/ dice.

>>23139658

>Actually, 4chan was having issues, so I set an auto-refresh to tell me when it no longer hated me.

>That was... about five minutes ago.

>>23139679
Ah. Ah hah. 4chan can be dumb like that sometimes.

>>23139686
This is a fact.

>>23139679
Glad you're still here.
Now about that sword bike...

I examine the bike, managing the connections carefully. Checking The various pieces, reinforcing and rechecking the various parts.

After a few minutes, I have a list of most of the parts needed to fix the bike. After checking the catalog, there's only one part I can't afford: some sort of timing chain. Luckily, it's fairly cheap after I get all the other things, and seems like it would be comparatively easy to install. After calling the parts store, they tell me they can have all the parts delivered by the day after tomorrow.

So starting then, I can seriously begin repairs.

>Actions?

>>23139878
>there's only one part I can't afford: some sort of timing chain. Luckily, it's fairly cheap

Forge chain out of swords.
SwordBike must live on.

>>23139878
Talk to Ilya about having Saber guard her. Possibly even contract with her as she's a big enough part of avenger's plan that he set a trap to get us away from her. Not to mention that Ilya's stats will push Saber up to make attacking us a serious consideration. Ilya also seems on the level so I'm hoping she's not some shaowclone/Assassin trolling from the old man.

>>23139878
Just to clarify. Did we get the chain? The way it was written it sounds like we got it rolled in from a large order discount. If not we pester Rin/Sakura for dosh with the promise of footrubs and that we'll repay them after the war's over and we get a part-time job.

>>23139878
Think about colors for the bike. Gold just seems a bit gaudy for us. Maybe blue, with an image of a knight charging on his horse with his lance couched, on the side?

>>23139929
If memory servs we have a job but the boss is a cool guy and let us take a while off for personal reasons (The Grail War).

>>23139898

Remember that Caster is still Sabers master. However healing Souichirou would get caster to listen to us.

>>23139878

If Rin's magic lessons with Sakura isn't over yet...
>[x] Head for the dojo and project that mystery sword Shirou has inside him.

Let's clear up one mystery already.

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>>23139930
Silver.

Rolled 5

>>23139878
Let's save this >>23139898 until after we've confirmed that Berserker is dead. Nobody else can support him.
I vote we go to Rin with it.

>>23139949
Now that I think about it. Did we ever find out anything beyond "mysterious malady"? We need to get a sitrep on that that's more than find the Avalon we have no idea where to look for.

>>23139878
Sword time.

Try to project the mystery sword.

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>>23139878

You know..

I was just wondering.

Why the fuck do we want the repair the fucking bike if we know that

1) Shirou does not has no Riding skill
2) If he actually has the Riding skill its just as high as lancer`s luck stat
3) We made a car explode by trying to drive it
4) We made this bike explode and neraly kill us mutliple times by trying to repair it

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU WANT TO RIDE IT!? YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME YOU CHUCKLEFUCKS!

>>23140008
Why do men scale Mount Everest?

>>23140008
>not wanting lessons from Rider

>>23140008
Who said it was for Shirou? We're giving it to Saber.

>>23139967
Just looked over the last two threads and we didn't warn Ilya that Avenger's after her. We need to warn her at least to try and stay safe. And I think we need to push finding Avalon up to the top of the agenda because at this rate we need saber freed up and something to help Ilya because muh feels are telling me that unless we pull a miracle out of our ass we're going to take heavy casualties in a couple threads.

>>23140008
Purely to spite Gilgamesh. A Logically thinking Gilgamesh is a death sentence. but if we can damage his sanity more than it already is we might survive with a couple Ilya fueled Excaliburs. Plus if we find Avalon, Saber and best-Imouto can drive it.

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>>23140008

Because Mou Ikkai

>>23140066
>not linking it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy_xbXIJ898

>>23140078
>spoonfeeding
I'm joking you fool.

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>>23140078
>Second comment
>THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

THEY KNOW!

>>23140066
>>23140078

As always Sakura looks fat.

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Anyway Speculations time!

Reading back to where the two spear guy attacked us. The only description other then the two spear observation is

>I see the figure approaching me, A living shadow holding a long staff in one hand and what looks like a shorter spear in the other.

>After an intense clash for almost a minute straight, the Shadow Man hops back, looks away as though alarmed, and then throws his larger spear directly at my heart before vanishing into smoke.

We have seen that Avenger can summon 4th war servants

>"I don't need your permission." Archer responds calmly, Avenger interposing himself between them. Around him, three forms begin to take shape. One a hooded man, hunched and broken. One a Knight, cloaked in Darkness. The last looks like the one I fought in the woods before the last saber arrived.

This pretty much says that he is summoning the alter versions rather then the normal versions on the servants.

That does make me think, the Alters versions of the forth war servants might be weaker then the normal versions.

Iskander Alter: Can't use his reality marble because he no longer cares about is men.

Lancelot Alter: More consumed by madness then the original, might not be able to use "Knight of Honor"

Bluebeard Alter: The only servant I think who's alter version would be stronger then the original. Since he would would no longer care about Jeanne d'Arc, being a heretic or creating the most awesome 'cool'

>>23138863
I have the first 13 threads worth of the story posts in word right now, I'll get to the rest after I wake up later today. I'll e-mail you a copy of the .mobi file once I'm finished. You should be able to resize the text on the kindle itself that way.

>>23140133
>implying even Alter status can put brakes on the train that is TEAM KUURU!
Get a load of this faggot.

>>23139967
Actually you know what
Scratch that, get to work on finding Avalon.

>>23140141
Post it in the thread so we can all enjoy it's glory,

>>23140171
I'll jump aboard the Avalon train here before I get off for the night.

>>23140171
Seconding this

>>23140180
If the thread is still alive when I finish it after I wake up I will.

>>23140171

Choo Choo, I mean. I'm jumping on.

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>>23140171

Alright, since noone else seemed to ask, I´ll bite.

How.
How are we supposed to search for Avalon? How does that even work?!

"Hey Ilya, please stick your hand up my magical intestines and see if you wind something long and hard and golden."

>>23140235
I have to agree with this.

We've already determined Avalon isn't inside us, Saber doesn't know where it is, and continuing to pester Rin about it won't help her find it any faster.

>>23140235
Fuck If I know. About the only thing left I can think of is massaging Ilya until she tells us that you can use the link between a servant and it's artifact if you have the servant handy and somehow Rin hasn't heard of it. Goddamnit Bazette needs to get her tits over here and bail us out already cause we're walking into dead-end here.

>>23140235

Oh right.

...

Perhaps we should pester shinji now.

>>23140235

>This, actually.

>Go ahead and search for Avalon. But I'm not giving you a DC for 'find plot important mcguffin'. You need a plan for that.

>>23140235
>Saber,can you sense it?
"No Shirou, I can't sense it in you--"
>Rin, did you find Avalon yet?
"I haven't found it within the five minutes you last asked me--"
>Caster, you're a better mage, do you know how we can find-
"Waaaaaaah! Souichirou-Sama!"

Best thing I can think of is for us to take a nap, and we tell everyone we're not to be disturbed. Then we hope Merlin contacts us again, and we TRY not to punch him before the dream ends.

>>23140299
Guys. I think we need to have Lancers gay bulge check all of shinji's secret places just in case.

>>23140308
I don't remember where the post was but did we tell her if she scry'd and found it it's the best chance she has of fixing souichibro?

>>23140303
Well projection magic doesn't work.
Locator magic doesn't work.
Looks like we need to think outside the box here.

Why not just convince Caster that Avalon would essentially make her husbando immortal and thus they could live together? In this game we know she loves him and we know she is probably the strongest magic user we have access to,

>>23140303
Oh okay.
Go bug Caster about it. We'll probably need to drag Saber along for name, physical description, last known whereabouts, known acquaintances, that sort of thing.

>>23140235
>>23140303

>Consult Rin about pulling a magic artifact out of someone. I had Avalon originally in my timeline, but I'm thinking someone else has it right now.

Here's the only good clue we have from Archer, besides that vague ranting from that dream man.

>Shirou is now aware of a general timeline of events in Fate/Zero. The parts experienced by Saber and Kiritsugu were the same as in canon.

A couple of questions then. Does Kiritsugu know where it last was before he died, and did he ever write that information down on those notes he left?

That would be a good place to start if everyone is gung-ho about finding Avalon. I'm still voting for [x]Project mystery sword.

Wouldn't Caster's Item Crafting would be the best way to heal Souichrou? She mentioned she 'broke' or 'discarded' the skill, however, but not why she did so. Maybe there's a way to fix it, or get it back? If she 'locked' it to keep from draining Souichrou dry of Prana, maybe she should / could contract with someone else and see if her item crafting can create a health tonic that will fix him. If anything, switching Magi should take some strain off Souichrou's body, and might give us more time to find something to help him.

It's worth asking Caster about, or at least ask her why she broke the craft skill.

>>23140354

Hmm. I think I vote for:

[x] Search Kiritsugu`s Notes on clues about Avalon

>>23140354
I second Mystery Sword Projection.
That and asking how to check for / disable Perception Filters.

Also, AFAIK, the last person to hold Avalon in F/Zero was Illiasviel. She died in the shed and...

Hey. Is that Magic Circle in the shed? Did it pop up when we summoned Saber?

No idea if it matters or not, but was Illiasviel buried in Japan, or was her body sent back to the Eizenburns?

Looks like the consensus is still 'search for Avalon'

It looks like we are just arguing about how.

>>23140443
Whoah broseidon back up. She passed it back to Kerrytugu didn't she? That was why he could handle triple accel and redecorating the room in the fight with kirei. And yes, the circle is what pops out saber in the beginning of FSN

>>23140459
consensus looks like bring saber to bug caster about it in case there's some spiritual attraction dickery we can use to search for it and re-check notes for things pertaining to avalon and us. If caster gets grumpy we remind her that we're doing this to svae her husbando. Maybe bring up her hopping over to another master if being in spirit form is still too much of a drain on souichibro. We know about rule breaker so she can just jab herself if she's worried about command seals.

>>23140504
Oh and it's a bit of Irony about the circle Iris used to preserve herself saved her adopted son as without we would have had a dead end in the shed and never meet the best servant and couple. RiderxAyako

>>23140443
If we go by Fate/Zero canon here.

>Avalon was used as a catalyst for the summoning, but Kiritsugu never told Saber about it.
>Kiritsugu took Avalon for himself way a bit before his final showdown with Kirei. Hence he was able to abuse Time Alter to ridiculous extremes due to the healing factor.
>Iri died in the some altar at a theatre(?) and ended up as Grail goo.
>The magic circle at the shed was made to sustain Iri when Avalon was no longer in her since she could no longer move at that point.
>Kiritsugu used Avalon to save the young Emiya Shirou during the Fuyuki fire.

Now, out of all these canon facts, there might be a point of contention in at least one of them with regards to quest canon.
My best assumption is that the last bit may not have happened.

>>23140553

Lets just go over the notes again.

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>>23140553 >>23140504

I freely admit to having a terrible memory, and I've been avoiding the Fate wiki's while in quest. So, thanks for the reminder, fellas.

>So is there a plan yet?

>>23140660
2 midterms back to back in 4 hours.started studying 5 hours ago. cant think of a plan now.

>>23140660

>You should really stop leaving open ended questions

Anyway, I think everyone wants to 'quest for Avalon'

I vote for going over Kiritsugu's notes

>>23140660
"Look at Daddy`s Notes of the last Grail War for additional clues on Avalon "

Seems to be the course of action for now. And since we`re talking to Ilya annyway maybe this would be a good time to show her the notes and tell her the Kiritsugu suspected that the Grail was somehow broken/tainted. But only her. I don`t think its a good idea to let the other servants/masters know any of this for now.

Go in and slap Caster's ass and call her your slut.

Pain is temporary, glory is forever!

>>23140660
Go over Dad's notes again to see if there is a clue.

If that doesn't get us anywhere, round up Saber and yell at Caster to help us find the damn thing. She needs to stop moping and help us cure her husbando.

>>23140732
...I say yes

>>23140660
Take Saber to Caster. Figure out some sort of scrying magic to find Avalon.

>>23140732
Unrelated, but that reminded me:

With how long Saber has been Caster's Servant, I'm positively shocked she hasn't been forced into some cute outfit yet.

>>23140660
Grab saber and bug caster for locating fuckery as she is a much better mage and nobody recalls us getting her help from before. Barring any progress on that front we'll grab our notes from pops and play detective.

>>23140732

Considering that both Rin and Caster have said that the magic of old and that of the present differ, does Caster have some way of tracking Avalon that Rin wouldn't have? Caster can scry and she might be able to narrow down the areas where such an artefact might be. More so because the artefact in question actually exist in the real world and wasn't summoned like excalibur.

Guys we'll probably need to reveal Saber's identity to Caster in giving her enough info to find Avalon.
That's if she hasn't ordered her to do so already, but I doubt she would.
>worms jdarder
no captcha
please go no

Just went up on Twitter: AC-Guy having connection issues or something, will continue tomorrow.

>>23140959
Fucking internet.

>>23140777
....Maybe you should ask Caster for a threeway

....Just saying

>>23140919
But you're missing the important part. She loves souichibro who has magic aids. We're trying to fix souichibro therefore, if we succeed we saved her husbando. the last push we need is to tell her that our wish is true incarnation for our list of bros and she's included. With that she can fuck off to hawaii and make many half-elf babies cursed to endure serial ear rubbings. There's pretty much no threat in telling her.

>>23141000
Damn forgot about the possibly of corrupted gail again. We need that prana gen from Gil's treasury somehow and need to team up with caster for maximum Item crafting/tracing wizardry and make endless Prana batts so the servants can exist indefinitely.

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>>23141023
You'd need to transfer her a lot of Mana for that.

..Not that I'm complaining or anything

>>23141046
....

You know, how about we just declare an orgy already.

Llya's invited

>>23140660
I really want to stick with [x]Project Mystery Sword since this action would give the most results in the least amount of time.

But since it looks like I'll be outvoted pretty soon, here's an outline contribution for Plan Avalon:

Give Raiga a call and ask about the circumstances of Kiritsugu's death as well as ask where he was buried. (Though, as his son, shouldn't Shirou know this already?)
Then visit Dad's grave site, probably bring Ilya at some point. Look for clues along the way. If the location doesn't yield immediate results, back track.

We won't be finding Avalon in a day here, it'll probably end up with a search for clues leading to more clues.

>>23141065
>Llya's invited
3...2...1...
Shitstorm

Anyway, creating a real plan to keep the servants alive should really be a priority. Otherwise any of them might try to fuck up our plans, especially Caster.

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>>23141046

CASTAH ROUTE WHEN?!

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>>23141046
Well if we pretend for a minute that it'll ever happen we just need to project it long enough and enough times for caster to get a hang on it. With the Ley lines, Ilya, souichibro, ourselves, rin, sakura, Bazette and best master - Ayako we'd just need to get one up to buy us some time and then go from there.

>>23141121
Sadly I think the only real plans we have is the grail actually working. The infinite mana battery is impractical unless we can rape Gil's gate for a specific thing we've never heard of or know about. I don't think there's an in-universe reference for how much juice they need but source implied that a huge chunk of the prana is supplied by the grail. Part of which why it says true incarnation is sometimes a wish. This leaves Ilya reaching root which once again is cancelled by a corrupted grail and ley lines & nomming people which we're against. Maybe somebody more familiar with dicking around with nasuverse rules can make a plan but we're essentially fucked. Maybe between Sakura and ayako we can keep rider and rin/Shirou/Illya to supply saber but I doubt we'd be able to handle much more without burning out.

And to the anti-Ilya folks. She's somewhere in her very late-teens to mid-twenties and not even blood related. We gotta take all the prana sources we can get if we're going to pull this off seeing as the grail is likely to be corrupted or this is some weird dream/fake universe shit. And even if the Grail isn't corrupted...
Oh Monkey paw you so crazy

>>23141282
>And to the anti-Ilya folks. She's somewhere in her very late-teens to mid-twenties and not even blood related. We gotta take all the prana sources we can get if we're going to pull this off seeing as the grail is likely to be corrupted or this is some weird dream/fake universe shit. And even if the Grail isn't corrupted...
The issue is that /tg/ has fucktards that are opposed to fucking anything that might seem like pedophilia.
Fuck, we are /d/-lite. We can be worse than /b/ in our fetishes. I have no fucking clue why we get a shitstorm any time a girl that is not fully matured is implied as object of affection.

sage for rant

>>23141342
I think it's that we're jealous that it's not us being the little girl. When we're not busy being a hive-mind we're busy chasing harem-waifu's in a quest that's established a very high risk of dying (Blatant Fetish Quest, and possibly Plump grabbable ass quest), going for the monogamy route, and the kids shitposting with the lel so randumb kill ___/do completely unrelated thing #49 when we have something drastically more important to deal with first. Delinquent lesbian rapist quest was horrifying for that last one. I don't want to spoiler it too badly but holy shit /u/ needs to get it's hivemind regulated.

>>23141515
What happened with that last one? The lesbian rapist quest?

And where can I find archives

>>23141668
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mB6SG79jeBzsSBDrTnQ6PyRL68G1btYu2jNgwz_aL00/edit?pli=1

and

http://anonkun.com/stories/The-Delinquent-Lesbian-Rapist/f9815710-2b5a-4603-b82a-fc2bd018753c

I'm still back on thread 14. Long story short, we thought too much with our clit at all times and paid for it. I think the worst part was that not only did we ditch our initial love interest for plot hook lady #3 but when we had a chance to make up for our massive mistakes we made with initial love interest the fucktards went for dosh and acting like a cunt instead of being the caring girlfriend trying to right the wrongs she'd done. It was like Bizzaro /u/ and the yuri romance hivemind was replaced by lel so randumb shitposters.

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>>23141777
>>23141777
>Anonkun

>>23141806
I've never used it. What's bad about it?

>>23141827
Everything. It is a repulsive house of scum and villainy. No one with any self-respect should go there.

>>23141827
Its /a/ being /a/.

They are to animu what /v/ is to videogames and then people wonder why shit gets retarded when they try to run a quest over there.

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>>23141895
I forfeited any pride and self-respect the day I fell in love with fluffy lesbian romance. I'm even willing to consider throwing saber under the bus if we can only keep 1 servant supplied just so Ayako can have the best waifu she deserves. Rider

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>>23141159
There's actually one plotted out by some guys on /jp/. Plus4chan adopted it. It remains incomplete, but still, it's worth noting.

http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/2830497/
http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/2832137
http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/2837942’
http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/2839294
http://archive.foolz.us/jp/thread/2844372
http://plus4chan.org/boards/coc/res/13334.html

>>23140303
>>23140235
Wait, what? We need to be eviscerated by adorable kid sister to find the fucking thing?

I'm kind of curious, though - assuming Archer wasn't lying to us, we have no healing factor.

And yet, Shirou took on Grail Goo after being woulded by 4th War Lancer Alter (Illya sucked out the poison, and was surprised we were as mobile as we were).

Furthermore, when lit on fire by the bike, we had some traumatic flashbacks of the Fuyuki Fire, and felt as though we were mutilated, but we were unphased. Something is protecting and healing us from harm.

But what?

Wait, was that fire after fixing the bike jkust Shirou having a PTSD moment, or was he really burning?

Really burning. The fact that 'Lancer' resorted to smacking Shirou with a broom instead of using his Rune Magic to extinguish the flames is what tipped us to Arcuid's presence in the first place... If I'm recalling correctly.

>>23142053
Yes, Shirou was really burning. For quite some time.
And then nearly drowned.
And then was totally fine in a matter of seconds.
All without Avalon.

We ain't human bro.

We're a Demon, born from Kiritsugu's futile wish that he could save just one person from the fire at the end of the 4th War.

>>23142053
He was on actual fire. It was good times. As for Avalon, we apparently aren't Shirou Emiya or at least the adopted mystery orphan one we think we are. And between Avenger, the poisoning, and Kirei gargling a bag of cocks to divine our abnormality we're hair deep in wizard-shit. The dream is implying that Merlin/Zelretch did some shit and as usual we fucked something up big-time so essentially all reason and logic is out. We're pretty much some demonic/spiritual entity that'll only die if we are killed. That being said, If Caster can't pull out the oldfag wizardry and find avalon for us we wont be alive long enough to worry about whether the grail really is corrupted or not at this rate. If we still had berserker i'd go for passing saber to Ilya for maximum excaliber and calling avenger out for a chat to figure out what the fuck is going on but we're essentially in a dead end now and it's only a matter of how soon before most if not all of us are a bunch of dried blood stains.

>>23142098
... Oh fuck. Shirou Perception Filtered himself to hide the fire damage, didn't he?

He saw how horrible he looked in the mirror and magically 'Nope' d it out of sight... But the damage is still there.

If I'm right... We need to look into fixing that FOR REAL. Before those wounds go septic from lack of proper treatment.

Back To Illiya, STAT.

Rin: You filtered it so much, even *you* didn't know it was there anymore?
Shirou: Uh... Yes?

>>23142153
That is NOT something Shirou is capable of, our magic simply couldn't do that.

Rin said herself that perception filters are pretty much limited to small innocuous stuff. Setting up one on the fly that fools sight, smell (because charred flesh stinks like fuck), as well as our own sense of pain and touch would be nigh impossible even for a mage that wasn't hyper-specialized into ALL SWORDS ALL THE TIME.

The superhuman healing fits with the small mountain of clues we've piled up that suggest we aren't a normal person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUBX0NLCZEE
Does anyone else feel reminded of Archer, for some reason?

>>23140732
>OP leaves just before this
>He won't remember it for the next thread

CURSES

All I know is the following:

Kirei took the claim that Illiya healed Shirou at face value and did not examine him. The wound that Shadow Lancer inflicted was left alone as 'Insta-healed'.

When set on fire, Shirou saw the damage done to his face in the mirror, but Saber acted as if everything were normal. Shirou's reflection in the tile afterwards appeared fine. Another, unexplained 'insta-heal'. As for the line that makes me think 'Perception Filter':
>I try to reconcile how I could be fine and maimed at the same time, when I realize the last thought I had was how freaked out she would be to see me like that.
Which is standard Shirou 'others before self' behavior.

Rin's gotten hurt, and Sakura was at death's door before we got the crest worms out of her. Both have regained HP. Has Shirou? Last I remember it being mentioned, Shirou was down to 1 HP. AC-Guy did state he was using Shirou's HP as a type of hybrid Fate Point / Game Over system, but he also mentioned there might be ways to regain HP.

In Fate 2.0, you can regain Fate Points, though the method of which is entirely up to the DM.

In F/S:A, I have no idea if we've regained any at all. We've had Shirou rest, eat, cook, and sleep, and we still have low (~1) HP.

>>23142213
Now, you stated:
>That is NOT something Shirou is capable of, our magic simply couldn't do that.

This Shriou has constantly gone above and beyond the VN / Cannon Shirou in terms of magical aptitude, ability, and adaptability. He explained some of the difference to EMIYA, (hunt the Ebba and Flow of Mana). We also jacked into the Eizbern's magical forest, when by all the rules of Magic Rin knew, that was impossible.

Can Shirou insta-heal? So far, we've obscured or 'unmade' damage *somehow*, but we're still at very low HP. Healing typically implies regaining HP. As it stands, until the DM states otherwise, I find myself thinking we have just hidden the problem and moved on.

As such, I ask for DM input on the subject.

>>23144100
IIRC, AC-Guy said after we lit ourselves on fire "A good night's rest would be as good a time as any to restore HP" or something to that effect. I think we're okay.

>>23144100
The way I remember it being explained is:

HP is the number of times we can avoid Something Bad Happening. If we run out of HP, it's not a straight game-over, but we're no longer able to avoid things such as fatal wounds or crippling injury. And we do regain HP either every thread or every in-game day.

>>23144178
>>23144100

Do recall - we were at ~1HP.
Then he fucked up a Dice Roll.
We hit 0HP.
We entered the realm of "Something Bad Happening".
About, oh, 1 post later, we were leaving Berserker to die.

We never "regained HP". We lost Berserker.

Though whether or not our HP reset from that is another matter. (I suspect it did.)

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>>23144156
Just got to that point in the Bike thread - he did reset our HP at bed time. Perhaps I'm over thinking it. I have no idea how Shirou is 'ista-healing' beyond that 'he just is', and things like that tend to bite people in the ass if you ignore them, doubly so now that Rin seems to have confirmed no Avalon in Shirou.

There are plenty of blades of legend that make one 'Invulnerable', 'Immortal', 'Invincible' and 'Indefatigable'.

Note that only 'Invulnerable' means you get away scott free every time, and 'Immortal' simply means 'not mortal / can not be killed' - injured is still an option, as is being maimed.

>>23144178 >>23144417

I remember Kirei said something to that effect on Thread 1, and also said he'd be resetting the HP count 'every arc'.
If AC-Guy's resetting the HP every time we rest, then fuck me for just realizing that, and sorry to have wasted everyone's time with my unfounded concerns.

Still find myself bothered about the insta-healing, though. Hoping we make projecting that sword a priority.

Thanks for the clarification, fellows. Have a small, happy Saber for your trouble.

>>23144587
I'm assuming the insta-healing is due to whatever the fuck we really are. Likely demon.

I can't be the only person who is REEEEAALLY hoping we never actually meet Shiki? Demon Hunter instincts would have him drop us in a second.

>>23141777
Is this thing seriously getting 100 votes every poll or is it samefaggotry.

You know, I wonder what Sakura's wish is?

She probabily wants be able to have children i.e. a new vagina

>>23145605
womb*

I just noticed something:
This thread doesn't seem to be archived.

>>23147133
Now it is.

While we're waiting for AC-guy for a couple of hours and I'm making the kindle version of the story-only posts (5-6 threads to go), anyone want to go through the previous threads and try to find those two gamebreaking plans? I can't remember what thread AC-guy first mentioned that there were two plans like that mentioned, but he mentions it again in the Twenty-First verse, so they were way before that.

>>23148378
>kindle version
I hope you are using an ebook format that anyone can use.

>>23148412
It's all on word at the moment. I was just going to throw a .mobi of everything up when I was done, but I can convert it to whatever format you need.

>>23144681
>I can't be the only person who is REEEEAALLY hoping we never actually meet Shiki?
Well he's in France at the moment, so we should be good.
And in any case, provided we aren't retarded and just stick to throwing exploding swords at him from outside his reach, we could at least hold him off until Arc cools him the fuck off. We're on her good side after all.

>>23148480
Epub, Doc, and Txt. The majority of the Universal Formats.

Now, if you wanted to be really slick? Start up a Google Drive Document and have AC-Guy email you. Share editing permissions with him, and now there's a unified archive that can be updated live.

>>23145446
It's a pretty popular quest. I expect only 1/3 of it is samefagging.

>>23144681
You know I never thought of that. If we can get arc to bring shiki in and vouch for us we might actually survive this grail war. Maybe we can con her into doing it with food, bad romance tips, or something. If nothing else shiki and possibly akiha's demon hunting knowledge might be useful.

>>23149849
Oh god no.
Odds are we wouldn't be the only ones who trigger his KILL MAIM BURN instincts. Ilya is a homonculus so she might trigger it, and god only knows how he'd react to the fucking Servants.

Overstimulating a crazy guy by surrounding him with the very things that make him go bugnuts is not a sound tactical decision. At best it would just tie down Arc because she would have to babysit him to prevent a murder-rape rampage.

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>>23144587
HNNNNNG. The rewards of archive-diving are TERRIBLE for my heart!

>>23144681
>>23149849
Chist, MORE crossovers? NOT a good thing. Shiki is a Nasu protag like Shirou: the game-breaking nature of these two would be silly.

From a narrative standpoint, if Shiki cut loose and was all Ninjaslayer McBadass, Shirou'd lose out on his badassery. So far, Arc has been tolerable because she's mostly helped in investigations and social stuff; she's not gone into serious combat.

The Harem is kickass enough as-is, and importing more folks from another continuity into it would be bad. Especially when said folks aren't in the middle of their story and aren't dealing with the emotional stuff involving a forgotten sister, the possibility of having drained their father's life-force, and are having flashbacks about being burned alive. Shiki & co aren't the paragons of sanity, but having them show up and WTFPWN our BBEG problems would smack of deus ex machina, a bit.

That being said, I'd like for the two to meet in an epilogue for a little laugh. Having the harems meet (and probably scrap) would be hilarity, but I'd not want to see an ongoing story deal with the sudden arrival of the Tohno clan and friends.

>>23145605
>>23145665
While disgusting, I don't think Zouken would be that stupid.

Yes, his familiars enjoy eating the reproductive parts of a victim. But when you factor in the Matou line's magical lineage is almost dead, it would be stupid as shit to take a second chance at rejuvenating the line and let his rape worms ruin that.

Sure Sakura was to become a Grail, but do you think Zouken would act without creating a contingency plan? if he succeeds, then he gets what he wants, but if he fails: well, there can still be another generation of Matou to horrifically bend to his whims.

>>23148378
What gamebreaking plans do you mean?

Shit /tg/ thought up, or stuff which Avenger/Zouken/Our Unknown Bloodsucker might have planned?

>>23150504
>What gamebreaking plans do you mean?

At some point, AC-Guy mentioned that a few of our harebrained plans could actually work, and would totally let us win everything forever. Problem is, he didn't tell us WHICH of our multitude of semi-retarded plans he was talking about.

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>>23150389

You know, I would like to see a fate/stay night/shadowrun crossover.....

>>23150504

...

I though I read that the worms made Sakura sterile, but when I read Sakura's entry on the typemoon wikia. There was no mentioned of that.

My mistake then.

But then... what is Sakura's wish? Perhaps she just wants to get rid of her blue hair or something

>>23150504
Shit /tg/ thought up. AC-guy mentioned that we came up with two plans that could let us win.
>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/22633521/#p22636451
>One of them was 'absurd shortcut to victory' and the other was more like 'completely break the rules of the setting'.
>Since then, a third 'dammit, that's way too effective of a contingency plan' has been proposed to me in private.


As for the kindle/ebook version, I'm just running all of it through spellcheck to fix some spelling and grammar mistakes before I convert it.

>>23150740

I also recall something something about the more flags we raise the more bad stuff is going to happen.

And we pretty much raised all of them.

>>23150606
>I though I read that the worms made Sakura sterile

That's some fanon I've seen bandied about, but AFAIK Nasu mentions nothing on this topic.

Also, consider using Tatari on Bytehost as another resource. IMO the Type Moon wikia is a good way to get general info on a subject, but on a lot of the side materials (stuff like Angel Notes, artbook-only characters, etc) they can be a little fanwanky. I'd not demonize the wikia as some folks do, but I'd not take anything there as general canon.

http://tatari.byethost33.com/fuyuki/index.htm

>>23150740
I want to praise you for making this work. i'm always eager to see long-ass threads stuff like quests condensed into readable forms, and this is no exception.

>>23150867
I'd not get too cocky yet. I'm a touch of a pessimist, so I could be overly down, but I think there's still quite a few things floating around out there.

The Shinji thing is the biggest thing bothering me right now. He seemed unnaturally good-sported about the whole "I lost my chance to achieve to my former best friend" , and that last letter he sent almost had a tone of regret about his mistreatment of Sakura.

What could have made him have such a change of heart that not only did he lose gracefully, but he didn't rant about how his sister captured his birthright.

Also, should we invetigate the ruins of the Matou home. One of the options in an old thread was to go there after we cured Sakura, but then Archer went LOLOLO TRAITOR and we got sidetracked.

Perhaps we should investigate the rubble and see if we can scavenge something there?

>>23151097

Agreed,

...

Shinji must be working for
1. The dead apostle thats been going about
2. Avenger... thinking about it. He did mention that some boy was working for him

>"I get her." Avenger says with a smile. "I'll need some help for what I'm planning, anyway. The boy I recruited before simply isn't going to cut it."

3. Zouken, its always possible that Shinji's nice grandpa caught up with him.

4. Himself, Shinji is working some MIND CONTROL MAGIC so he can make our Harem NTR.....Errr... Forget that last one.


I need to stop reading crappy Fate/stay night doujins.

>>23150740
I think one of those plans involved projecting the Jeweled Sword, plugging it into the Grail and getting all the relevant Servants free mana.

I dunno if this is the 'absurd shortcut', 'setting breaking' or merely a 'contingency'. But step #1 already guarantees we draw the attention of Zelretch himself, so at that point maybe he'll be able to do something about the screwed up Grail.

I have my own personal "Screw you, Gil!" plan, but it involves items that should be there and the steps all going smoothly.
>Have non-contracted Shirou go through those catalysts Kiritsugu left for him. Go for the snake.
>Summon Gil. Due to the current situation, he may end up as Berserker.
>Command Seal #1: Show me ALL of your treasury. Copy them all in front of him for maximum trolling.
>Command Seal #2: Kill yourself.
>???
>Profit

>>23151513

Can your really summon a servant that has already been summoned?

Then again.... seeing that his is the Nasu universe anything's possible.....

>>23151513
Wouldn't a better use of that first command seal be "Kill your Impostor from the previous war"?
If we watch the ensuring battle, we're going to see all of the noble phantasms they own anyway.
Then, if our Gilgamesh wins, we order him to kill himself. If our Gilgamesh dies, he at least weakened the other one for us to finish off.

Now, seeing as one Gilgamesh counts as much as three Servants in regards to filling the grail, we should probably try to fix Ilya so she won't die before attempting this.

New plan.
Get caster to rule breaker everyone in their sleep and have a chain of servants.
Then gangfuck Avenger with all the remaining masters and servants.

Also get that sword bike working. Ask Archer for help.

>>23151590
>>23151672

I was thinking more of forcefully establishing a priority contract with the current Gil, but I'm fine with whatever works within the confines of Nasuverse rules.

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>>23151446
But some of those doujins are hilarious!

"Ah! Rider-san! Your dick makes my ass-pussy feel so good!"

"Didn't you listen to your own Servant, Rin? He was the bone of his sword... a shame you never got to know it like I did!"

That comment from Avenger is worth noting. I thought Shinji had been turned into a tumorous magical battery The fact that Avenger hasn't completely rewritten his biology for magical shits & giggles has me wondering.

I personally think he's dancing to Avenger's tune, but that's mostly due to this shit about a vampire being so very vague. Avenger, we can divine his motives and personality. But this vampire? We know sweet fuck all about its goals, actions, or even if if likes strawberry over chocolate ice cream.

>>23151513
Shit. Doing that with the Jeweled Sword would be a dirty-assed way to fuel the Grail without any sort of murder. Providing we can excise Avenger's polluted ass from the Cup Of Wish For Anything, we've pretty much broken the setting. Every Master can get a wish, no one has to die, and all we have to worry about is breaking the world and having Gaia sic Primate Murder on our asses for being cheating fucks.

>>23151590
We'd have to confirm Cain Broserker as -10 HP dead, which is still pretty up-in-the-air right now. (He's not on our side or coming back soon, AFAIK).

I don't think this is possible, but this is the Nasuverse, where rules only exist to shatter to show how awesome our protagonists are.

>>23151672
If we do pull this off, this way is to go about is. Fuck up Kinkaiser with Twinkaiser, and then mop up the leftovers.

Shirou thinking like a fa/tg/uy. It's a beautiful thing.

>>23150606
Holy shit I just looked at that pic. Dear god.

I'm trying to imagine a Shadowrun game involving a teamup of the FSN and Tsukihime cast.

It doesn't end well.

>>23151590
>Can your really summon a servant that has already been summoned?

Sure. Heroic Spirits exist outside the flow of time, so they're immune to pesky things like paradox and continuity.

Not saying WE could pull it off since we can't summon one without help from the Grail, and tricking the Grail system like that involves a whole shit-ton of knowledge that nobody but MAAAAYBE the Einzberns have. But in theory nothing prevents it from happening.

>>23151797
Haven't read either of those. Sauce?

>>23151672
That sounds all fine but if saber and others can resist command seals I don't want to see how long Gil can last. Certainly long enough to kill us for offending him.

>>23151976
Saber has A ranked magic resistance, and it's the only reason why she could resist it to begin with. Lancer had Battle continuation, which made him not die when he was killed.
Gilgamesh has E ranked Magic resistance, and no battle continuation. We should not have as much of a problem if we were to order him to kill himself.

>>23151976
>That sounds all fine but if saber and others can resist command seals I don't want to see how long Gil can last. Certainly long enough to kill us for offending him.

Yeah I'd seriously worry about that. The last time Gil didn't like a Master he had him killed and jumped ship to a new one more to his liking.
If he was summoned as something other than Archer it might mitigate the risk since his rank of Independent Action would go down, but it still sounds way too risky to me.

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>>23152024

>Lancer had Battle continuation, which made him not die when he was killed.

but....

>>23152024
Ah neat. Thanks for the mechanics tip.

>>23152024
Lancer was such a one true husbando in UBW. ;_; Gosh i hope we can get a good end for him and hopefully-master-Bazette.

>>23152024
If nothing else, Gil would take "kill yourself" to its logical extreme and vaporize everything in a 100 mile radius out of pure spite.

Finished converting F/SA.
http://www.mediafire.com/?53icj5acp3bvy7e
I have four versions in the .rar file: .mobi, .epup, .docx, .txt.
There's the odd line break in the middle of some paragraphs, but there's nothing I'm going to do about that at the moment. I just wanted to just get it done already.

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So uh.. What are the odds that best-father's notes are going to have something we overlooked that'll lead to avalon/making this shit make sense?

>>23151976
>Haven't read either of those. Sauce?

I made up terrible doujin-esque dialog on the spot, because I am a sick fuck and just knew someone would want to read something with dialog like that.

if some of that dialog turned you on, look up Papilio Protenor.

>>23152154
I want to get to know Lancer a bit more. He is a bro, but he's not exactly forthcoming with us.

I feel like we need to build up Lancer points, to keep him loyal so our little marriage of convenience doesn't collapse into tears and wretchedness should a reliable option present itself to him.

>>23152194
We should go all legalistic then.

"Servant Gilgamesh, I now command you to kill yourself in a way which will only claim your own life and inflict no harm on any others."

Game, set & match!

>>23152217
You are a scholar and gentleman!

>>23152223
I think those are pretty good odds. Most of them seemed like a guide to becoming a /k/-style operator, but further grooming might be in order.

Perhaps a closer reading (perhaps for hidden codes) might be in order?

On an unrelated note: Damn you for your spoilered pictures! whyboner.jpg

>>23152503
Already got it and it's glorious. the one where Shirou wakes up and is told he was part of a fivesome was utterly amazing too..

>Oh, /tg/.

>You've got my heart all a-flutter again, you wacky bastards.

>>23152223
Wouldn't kerrytsugu's notes have some information on a certain MYSTIC CODE. I think shirou with a little bit of work and magical teaching would be capable of crafting his own mystic code.

>>23152503
Thank you, let me know if there are any changes I should make. I wasn't sure if I should have left the other choices for what to do or the rolls in it. I ended up including them just in case.

>>23152805
It's what we do.

>My friends are pressuring me to play a quick game with them. Once that's over I'll start running.

>>23153655
Our sword bike body is ready

>>23153655
Our Gae Bolg is prepared to force the King of Heroes to taste the Fruits of our wrath.

>>23153655
Quick game of what?
Is it Pretend? It's Pretend, isn't it?

>>23154030

He shall feast on the extract of shirou

>>23154129

>LoL sadly. This would be the first and only full-team game we've had thus far, thanks to conflicting schedules. Assuming Steve can get his laptop to work. I'm giving him about ten minutes before I just walk.

>>23154175
Shirou making a mystic code y/n?

>>23154175
>Assuming Steve can get his laptop to work.
What, did he inherit my old laptop problems or something?

>>23154225
nah, the Ghost of Steve Jobs probably found a new victim

>Well that was painful. I'm gonna go ahead and tell Twitter we're back on and start typing the next part.

>>23154539
>The wild and wacky adventures of ghost-Jobs as he wanders the electronic tubes of the internet righting wrongs and instilling an inhuman lust for apple products.

Dammit, the one night I go straight to bed after work.Ah well, at least I'm here for round 2.

Is it possible Avenger has Avalon? He did take a Gay Bulge and survive. It could be the gift he spoke of.\

We should try and convince Ilya to bring the maids over for a couple reasons
1. Hijinks! Someone else to fight over the kitchen. And I wanna see how Sella reacts to the news that Kiritsugu didn't abandon Ilya, the Einzberns kept him away.
2. She lost Bahsahkah, maybe could use a familiar face
3. Back-up. We're down a Servant and Ilya's got a near servant-tier maid as a body guard. We could use Leysritt around

>>23155132
I think you mean 'wronging rights'.

>Alright, I think looking over the notes was winning, with the possibility of asking Caster if that somehow fails to do anything, right?

>Sorry about the delays, I was having personal issues. Typing right now.

>>23155380
And right as I start falling asleep at my keyboard.
Guess I'll hang around for an update or two, then go have a nice nap.

I dig out Dad's notes, and try to find the box of catalysts used in the last war. There's a chunk of wood, a piece of torn cloth, as well as some sort of pendant. Looks like a charm.

I open the book and read over what I see, and discover that he was 'gifted' an artifact that would guarantee that he summoned THAT Saber. To ensure there was no chance of a mix up, a secondary artifact, a piece of the table, was also provided. Reading his notes, it's obvious knowing Saber's identity what he was talking about.

He makes mention that the shard of wood in the box wasn't the one he used, but from what he could tell might have been from the same table. Apparently he found it in connection to the Matou's champion, but that doesn't help me in the now.

I keep looking for everything I can about Saber and the artifact mentioned only in passing. I get notes about how to best handle and work with/around her code of ethics and her somewhat aloof attitude. Thankfully everything I read I either already know or doesn't bother me at all. Then I find the passage I was looking for.

"... At first I thought it would have no effect, since without a connection to her magic the Sheath was useless. I tried anyway, but it seemed to have failed even when I took you to the hospital. The Doctor told me you were already dead, but that it's possible to revive people if they're still fresh. It's obvious now that there was enough of her essence left behind in the sheath for you to heal properly, especially since years later there's no sign of the physical scarring...."

Beyond that he says that if I summon her, Saber's sheath is likely to keep me alive as long as she is, assuming I'm careful.

Judging by how he spoke of it, I should have it IN me somehow, but reaching inside all I can feel is what I now know as the connection to my Reality Marble and my magic circuits.

>Actions?

>>23155561
Check UBW for it.
Then make a sword bike.

>>23155561
Hey Shirou, rmember that thing you summoned when you jewelspazzed? try looking for that

>>23155561
That sword we temporarily traced when Rin fed us a jewel, we should Trace it.

>>23155561
I'm thinking that maybe it's not in one piece, incorporated into our body all over. No idea how to check that aside from using structural magic to check each and every cell which yeahno.

I think back to the sword I held, the one had visions about when Rin fed me that jewel.

I hold out my hand and focus on it. I try to reproduce it. but I can't.

I already created it, but it's a blank slate in my mind. I already projected it, but it seems to become something different every time I try to trace it.

My mind begins racing, trying to comprehend. I feel like by taking parts of other swords, I could make something similar, but that feels wrong. It feels... backwards.

Instead of different swords becoming it, it feels more like pieces of it becoming different swords. Like a common ancestor, but that doesn't make sense. Every root I try to follow twists around others while never touching. There's no common origin for the myriad of blades. Glaceing over my armory piece by piece, the answer becomes clearer and more confusing. Such a blade like this doesn't exist. It CAN'T exist. But I made it happen anyway. but it can't be projected.

I remember Rin's exasperation at how I keep seeming to do the impossible, but I've never managed to feel the same anger towards myself.

A paradox. An impossible blade I couldn't imagine if it didn't exist. Eventually I surrender, forcing down waves of nausea and rubbing my temples to relieve the newly arrived headache. And all I can think is one word: 'Folly'.

>Actions?

>>23155803
Go out for a walk to clear your head.

>>23155561
Torn cloth was Broskander's cape, although Waver probably wouldn't have parted with it unless Kiritsugu killed him for it. The amulet is probably Diarmuid;s catalyst.

Well. Avalon was in us at one point in time. There should be something about Avalon that still in us, either some sort of remnant of its power or something... but Rin hasn't really found anything, and Caster didn't find much when she went to scry for it IIRC.

Go to Caster and search us for any remnant for Avalon / have her scry Avenger and see if Avalon is inside him (if, for some reason, Avalon is the gift that he wanted back) / think back and try and remember our first memories of the fire and see if we can somehow get around whatever is blocking our memories of what happened?

Granted, I have no idea how we're going to get around that last one, but I'm tired and I'm throwing ideas at /tg/ and seeing if any of them stick. Goodnight /tg/

>>23155803
Grab Seibah, bug Castah.

>>23155831
>I have no idea how we're going to get around that last one
We could always make like a Vietnamese Buddhist.

>>23155591
This is fucking brilliant. (minus the bike shit)
Maybe we can grab it from the end of time and bring it here!

>>23155803
>Instead of different swords becoming it, it feels more like pieces of it becoming different swords. Like a common ancestor,
Holy shit it's a conceptual weapon, the IDEA of what a sword is supposed to be. How in the name of God would anyone GET that?

Hey, if we can't find Avalon, why don't we check the magic circle in the shed? If it's not IN Shirou, then it should have been nearby, else we wouldn't have been able to summon Saber.

>>23155925

>I love reading speculation. sometimes you're dead on, sometimes you're way off.

>The problem is you lot second guess yourselves so much that I have no idea what you actually believe.

>>23155954

SHIROU'S HEADVOICES ARE A MAGICAL PLACE

>>23155954
I'm still thinking Avenger

>>23155954
Okay, if that's the case.

Shirou is a TYPE-SWORD of planet Sword. Is this speculah way out there enough?

>>23156000
Whatever he gave us he never actually took it back.
I'll laugh if it WAS Avalon, and when he goes to take it, there's nothing there but SWORD SWORD SWORD.

>>23155954
We don't know what to believe. We're throwing out ideas almost at random, hoping that other fa/tg/uys will agree with us and convince us that our own ideas aren't the ramblings of the insane.

>>23156028
I do it to assuage my self esteem

>>23156000
>>23156022
Presumably as in "Avenger already successfully took Avalon." Which is what I'd been thinking was the case for the last several threads.

>>23156053
I think we would have noticed that.