Go down swinging, but not before calling in every airstrike, artillery barrage and orbital bombardment possible. And then nuke the site from orbit.

Its the only way to be sure.

Dude, you're not making it challenging enough for your players

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>>22963001
The Imperium will remember your sacrifice.

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...versus 300,000 of these guys.

And the players are winning.

The mission: Four squads and a couple of techpriests with some power tools were dropped on a feudal world that's had no contact with the Imperium for centuries. They've got 18 years to turn the place into a fully-technological, fanatically loyal bastion of imperial power before the Tyranids arrive. Two squads were M.I.A. on drop, one landed hard and took 80% casualties.

SET NUKE.
RUN THE FUCK AWAY.
BLOW IT AS THE ENEMY COMES OVER THE TOP. HOPE ENOUGH ARE DEAD SO YOU CAN KILL THE REST
DIE OF RADIATION POISONING
SUCH IS LIFE IN THE GUARD

>>22963117
>18 years
Without a forgeworld, that's a nightmare.

As is though...
Find one tribe. Teach them small unit tactics, basics of autogun use, etc. Find their biggest rivals. Lead them in slaughtering them to a man. Take in the young boys. Start building your Legion.

>>22963117
It took you 6 minutes to spit that out?

And yeah, you'll be fine, FORCE the technology upon them.

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>>22963117
If they're pic related, they'll be fine. Otherwise they're fucked and are gonna die.

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>>22963117

No backup, no resupply, and the fight with the Tyranids themselves is expected to be a suicide maneuver; the goal is to increase the time it takes for the planet to be overrun, buying time for fleet maneuvers and defense of more important worlds. Now, the average single squad might balk at such a situation, but the Commissar survived the drop, so the mission is ON.

My expectation: They take over a village, then a tribe, then a kingdom, training those under their protection, gradually increasing their forces.

The players: "Who's the baddest motherfucker on the continent?" "Ah, the wise man tells you of the mighty Rao, the Black Pheonix, whose Bolar Horselords number in the..." "Right, we're taking him out."

The crazy motherfuckers have a single Hellhound tank, which they have driven into the miles-wide tent-city of the Bolar, running through tents, crushing women and children, shooting and incinerating anyone who tries to stop them, right up the hill into the Pavilion of the Pheonix. This guy's basically Genghis Khan on a dinosaur, and they're attacking him head-on.

Session ended with them bursting through the tapestry wall of his throne room, IN the tank, to find the far wall rolled up and him leading a division of his hardest dudes, on velociraptors. Also in the offing: Huge warbeasts (think the Oliphants in the LOTR movies,) catapults of flaming tar, and arrows to block out the sun.

I give em about 50/50.

(Pic related, other than the Hellhound the PCs are a rough rider regiment.)

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>>22963310
>mfw your entire post

That sounds like so much fucking fun.

mind if I plagiarise?

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It amuses me that everyone assumed the 10 guardsmen were on the defensive.

No, they're ATTACKING the 300,000. Commissar McCrae is a crazy motherfucker.

>>22963310
See >>22963173
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLAN A.
Work your way up slowly. You have 18 years. Caesar from F:NV did this in less.

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>>22963388

Go for it, brother. Claim another world for the Imperium of Man! They're primitives, shouldn't take more than two or three squads of proper guard to have them all properly civilized in short order.

Warning: may contain secret vaults of archaotech, rogue witches running kingdoms, horrifying xenos, flying dinosaur cavalry, and daemons.

If you're in my game, stop here.
The endboss, before the Tyranids arrive, is the Lieutenant who was supposed to be leading the mission. He survived the drop, was taken in by witches, and has been convinced that the only way to save the planet is to shift it entirely into the warp before the 'Nids arrive. He's been taking over the southern continent while the PCs were working the north.

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>>22963503

>>22963503
Nice tweest. Do they think he just died on landing?

and no I'm not in your group.

>>22963503
...Fuck it, let the Daemons and Nid's fight it out. Time to Evac.

>>22963310
>The crazy motherfuckers have a single Hellhound tank, which they have driven into the miles-wide tent-city of the Bolar, running through tents, crushing women and children, shooting and incinerating anyone who tries to stop them, right up the hill into the Pavilion of the Pheonix. This guy's basically Genghis Khan on a dinosaur, and they're attacking him head-on.

Yaknow when a carnifex dies from 1000 bayonets?

Thats what should happen to them.

>>22963560
Retreat in the face of xenos and chaos? Leave a world rightfully belonging to the Emperor in their hands? Surely you make a poor attempt at jest, guardsman.

Choose your next words..with exceptional care.

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>>22963463

That's what I expected them to do! To their credit, that's what they were starting to do. They took over a small hilltop town, recruited a handful of locals, fought off a minor Bolar raid...

Then the Commissar started asking about the politics of the area. Rulers, feuds, power blocs, important stuff. I expected him to ask. What I didn't expect him to figure out was that Rao, high chieftan of the Black Pheonix horde, was behind the small raid (he manipulates lesser tribes with bribes and kidnappings) and was intended to be the guy causing problems for them until they had a big enough army to take him on.

At which point, instead of working counterintelligence to find Rao's spies and diplomacy to form a league of tribes and princedoms allied against him, the Commissar decides to find the guy and run him over with a fucking tank.

No one is willing to tell the commissar he's insane, so it's off to the steppe!

McCrae is either a strategic genius or a howling madman. Finding out which will be an adventure.

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>>22963693
[/spoiler]>tactical genius[/spoiler]

Hold the line, with massive shields, pikes and autoguns. Bulwark, flamers...this is growing on me.

>>22963649
SIR! THE RESOURCES OF THIS WORLD ARE NOT WORTH THE LOSSES. TO LET THE TYRANIDS FIGHT THE DAEMONS WILL WHITTLE THEM BOTH DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE A GLORIOUS CHARGE OF TANKS AND MEN WILL SLAUGHTER THEM ALL.

>>22963693
Fragging him would have been the smart move.

>>22963503
Oh geeze, I'm in such a habit of automatically looking at spoilers I almost looked at a real one. Barely caught me in time. I hate you, really fun game, keep it up! My medic's kill count can only go higher!

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>>22963560
>>22963649

The mission is TAKE and HOLD. The objective is to increase the time it takes the world to fall to the Swarm. The Traitor wants the world to fall into the warp; if he succeeds, it won't even be there when the 'nids arrive, DECREASING the time they spend attacking the world.

This is not an option. The Nids are attacking from above the galactic plane; instead of working their way in from the rim, slowly fighting through a thousand fortress worlds, they're coming in from deep space right above the Segmentum Solar. There are not NEARLY enough systems between them and Holy Terra, so this worthless little dirtball that happens to be in the right place WILL become a Fortress World by the time they arrive.

>>22963574

The PCs have a battle psyker who scried the potential outcomes of the battle. I told him he saw one flickering image of potential victory, one of the tank covered in flaming tar from primitive catapults, one of the tank overturned by a charging warbeast and the men trampled as they tried to escape, one of a dozen raptor-riders leaping on top of the tank and devouring the guy in the turret...

They've got a chance, because they mounted a surprise night attack and the enemy have never seen a tank before. But if they fail a difficult terrain test and spend two turns stuck in a streambed, they're going to get swarmed and massacred. Their only hope is to move fast enough and create enough confusion that the enemy can't properly mobilize and focus against them.

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>>22963888

The medic had the lead in kills, due to manning the Inferno Cannon on the Hellhound, until the Commissar ordered him to conserve prometheum since they've got limited fuel. Since then, Corporal Wilhelm has caught up by the simple expedient of driving the tank through and over crowds of fleeing people, and the tents they try to take shelter in.

>>22963812

The Imperial Forces on this world, the maximum potential losses, are 10 men and a tank. There is no evac. We are ALONE, save for the emperor, who is ALWAYS with us. We WIN or we DIE.

>>22964176
What's your group comp if you don't mind me asking? A Commissar, a Stormtrooper and 4 others, plus their 4 companions?

>>22964176
>>22964237
Also what's your plan for if someone dies?

>>22963117
>And the players are winning.

Then you've been playing the natives like complete morons.

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>>22964237
>>22964251

Commissar, Psyker + minder, Medic + comrade, weapon specialist + comrade.

The weapon specialist's specialty? Lasgun. He wanted to play a normal guardsman.

They rescued 4 members of 3rd squad, and they've got two techpriests (from a peculiar sect, the Forgemothers, who believe women should create and men should destroy, so it's their duty to train all the women to manufacture guns for the men.) All NPCs, available to be taken over by a player if a PC bites it. A dead player could also play a native recruit, once they've got the recruiting and training rolling.

The regiment is the 12th Arbor Rangers, a Hunter-Killer regiment from a nuked-out deathworld specifically described as being like Deadlands: Hell on Earth. Radioactive western with witches. They're cowboys in carapace.

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>>22964417
>giant, flame spewing monstrosity accompanied by gods who can kill the strongest warriors from 100 metres away and who fell from the sky start torching your village

Think the Conquistadors v the natives except even more grossly imbalanced.

>>22964417
Seriously. Mighy Whitey tropes anyone?

>>22964466
>Commissar, Psyker + minder, Medic + comrade, weapon specialist + comrade.

To be fair though you wouldn't want any other gun. You'd run out of ammo far too quickly.

How much sacred promethium did the players take with them?

Having native recruits replace fallen comrades at any rate sounds like a cool idea.

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>>22964540
plz go

>>22964488

Exactly, it's Pizarro and Atahualpa at Cajamarca. It's hard to come up with clever tactics against something you don't understand and have never seen before.

So, the first half of the battle goes to the PCs. And the session ends with the natives starting to get their shit together.

>>22963310
>Session ended with them bursting through the tapestry wall of his throne room, IN the tank, to find the far wall rolled up and him leading a division of his hardest dudes, on velociraptors. Also in the offing: Huge warbeasts (think the Oliphants in the LOTR movies,) catapults of flaming tar, and arrows to block out the sun.

>>22964488
>People believing a single band of conquistadors took out the Aztecs.

Cortez was a better diplomat than commander. The Aztecs had pissed off a LOT of people in their conquests.

>>22964575
if the PCs manage to kill the Black Phoenix, is there a chance his tribe will follow them?

>>22964570
People pounding their penises at the thought of grinding untermenschen underneath their tank treads sure is fun!

>>22964540
I feel like I should be needlessly antagonistic towards you but lack any solid reason to do so.

>>22964540

The Bolar actually look like Scots. Red beards everywhere. And Pizarro won at Cajamarca.

It's nothing to do with race and everything to do with surprise. A tank runs into a tent city of horsemen who have never seen one before. How would you run it?

Anyway, the giant warbeasts come out to play next session.

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>>22964625
Do you have a problem with 40k in general or just this scenario. Because this is pretty much what 40 is about.

Either way, please go.

Also, you may have missed the part where 'mighty whitey' gets viciously butchered by aliens 18 years down the line.

>>22964620

It's not really a "his tribe" situation. He's rounded up, dominated, and bullied a bunch of lesser tribes into a successful horde. Without him, it's unlikely to hold together. That's the PCs' hope, anyway. They're hoping to start dominating and recruiting tribes themselves once the thing falls apart.

So, the answer is "some of them, possibly."

>>22964645
Cajamarca was preceded by two failed expeditions. The victory at Cajamarca resulted from the fact that the Incans just fought a civil war, and the conquistadors capturing the Incan emperor.

It has everything to do with a fluke set of externalities, just like Cortez's conquest of the Aztecs.

It just pisses me off that two, EXTREMELY EXTRAORDINARY INCIDENTS in the hundreds of years of colonization are thought of as the norm for some fucktarded reason, and the Stormfront contingent on 4chan just looooooove it.

>>22964625
>untermenschen
>>22964645
>Scots

Yeah, ok.

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I'm throwing this out there put you could have the Imperium send reinforcements if the group manages to make a radio device. This way, they could get weapons, ammo, and men to increase the players hold upon the world. However, some of the reinforcements end up falling to the temptations of Chaos. Just a suggestion. Glory to the Dark Ones.

>>22964724

> resulted from the fact that the Incans just fought a civil war

Which resulted from smallpox killing the emperor, etc, etc.

This is ONLY a racism thing to you. For everyone else, it's a small group with advanced tech mounting a surprise assassination against a large group with low tech, outcome not yet decided. Everyone involved is white. Anyway, you've just said the people who disagreed with you are Nazis, so you've lost the argument regardless. It's a law.

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>>22964724
I like how you're getting majorly offended over literally nothing. First off, it's a fucking roleplaying game, set in an imperialistic universe, not some extension of a personal racist ideology. Secondly, OP has said that the PC's have a 50/50 chance of dying now the natives have recovered from the surprise attack.

Also, just out of interest, would you be as ass devastated if the planet in question was similar to Dark Age Europe, and the natives were whiter than white, stereotypical peasants and knights? Because if so that's genuinely retarded.

>>22964802
There's a daemonhost of Khorn on a flying dinosaur watching the battle from 300 meters up. He had high hopes for Rao, but these newcomers could be even better. Don't worry, your masters are not missing from the campaign.

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>>22964868
This planet sounds worse and worse by the second

>>22964822
It's more of an unrealistic power fantasy I have a problem with.

Hellhound tank rides over to the enemy's capital- and in a steppe culture, there's no riders that might notice this loud, noisy, smoke belching thing hauling ass across the massive FLAT STEPPES?

>>22964854
I would still be anal assaulted because it relies on the idea that if you haven't invented gunpowder, you're but a summer breeze for the heroes to wade through magnificently. It's pure fucking laziness and sings to me of a bunch of mouthbreathers sitting in smug self satisfaction, echoing half remembered burble about history. "Oh yeah, South and North America history was like this- bunch of savages hanging out, doing nothing, then 1492 and everything is owned by Spain and Britain," ignoring about three hundred odd years of constant conflict and warfare. Rinse and repeat for the other continents.

>>22964886

Hey, at least I toned that shit down. I was GONNA put a Chaos Marine up there.

>>22963503

OH SHIT MANG

Do you give your players handjobs too, or do they have to burn fate to get that?

>>22963693

I love your Commissar.

10/10 would serve on squad with.

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>>22964868
Somehow, [I feel Tzeentch would have a bigger impact. And Nurgle. Maybe even some Dawn of War stuff going on with Necrons and Eldar. But I digress. Glory to the Emperor.]

>>22964960
>summer breeze
>they have a 50% chance of survival

Yeah, I had a bigger reply typed out but it's pointless because you seem to be looking for any excuse to be offended.

Nobody is suggesting the native South Americans were useless savages who were easily beaten by superior white overlords. The Cajamarca example was just that: an approximate example to put the fantasy situation into perspective.

Also if you think that a medieval knight, or a jaguar warrior, or a longbowman, in any numbers, could beat a tank you're a moron. RPGs used by insurgents can't even breach modern battle tank armour.

>>22964960

They were spotted by lots of sentries. The sentries lit the bonfires, alerting the camp that something was approaching. The camp sent out 200 horse archers to check it out. They had no reason to prepare more, the single strange wagon didn't seem like a huge threat. They had no antitank tactics, because they'd never seen one before. And then their arrows bounced off the tank, and it drove right through them faster than a horse and crashed into the tent city. Now that they know arrows can't stop it, they're waking up the giant warbeasts, but the tank is fast and the encampment doesn't have walls, so it smashed right into the lord's pavilion while they were rousing the beasts and trying to catch up.

What SHOULD they have done?

The PCs have a 50% chance of dying. They're not going to defeat the entire army, they're trying to assassinate one guy. And they'll probably die in the process.

You have DECIDED to be angry, DECIDED that this thread is an example of something that irritates you, but it's not. It's just not. You're mad about something that's not happening.

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>good OW thread on /tg/
>ruined by a bleeding heart inventing up racists to smite over the internet

Sometimes I hate online random encounters.

>>22964960
So we can never ever have that scenario play out in any fantasy RPG ever again? Is that what you are saying?

>Yes
Fuck you buddy it is make believe
>No
Then this is a fantasy RPG where such events can play out, and you are just being an ass hole.

>>22965084
If you plunked an M1 Abrams down in the middle of 1200s France, you'd have a lot of people flipping out for a bit. If the M1 Abrams drove towards Lyon, you would have people preparing. They would dig trenches, evacuate the countryside, and try to come at it, and then, yes, lose. Until the Abrams ran out of ammo, fuel, or got stuck in a ditch, or get lost.

Then it'd be a different matter.

The fact that the game up to this point has been "Steppe people sit around unaware, then have a Hellhound burst in, and give players nothing more than kill counts" is pathetic, especially as apparently the players had talked earlier with some other Steppe tribesmen. Ignoring ammo and fuel, the fact that there was even a capital city for nomadic people to even attack is irritating, instead of them doing what every steppe tribe ever has done and been hated for, being an elusive target.

>>22965188
You look here. >>22965102
Now shut up and go to opposite /pol/ or whatever hellish pit spawned you.

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>>22965188
Are you clinically retarded? OP has said at least 5 times now that the tribesmen are mounting a counterattack, and it has a good chance of succeeding since the PC's attack was reckless and suicidal.

He's even said that if the tank fails a difficult terrain test (ie drives into a FUCKING DITCH) then the PCs are screwed.

Seriously, fuck off to /pol/ - there are some actual racists there that you can get offended at

>>22965188
Also you have no clue about 40k. The tank technically has unlimited fuel, and the laser guns use that energy.

So everyone on this board seems to like Only War. Is there anywhere online to play?

>>22965254
that said, it does have a limited supply of promethium to fire.

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>>22965015

On an island chain far to the southeast, the trader princes have their kingdom. A princess has risen among them, a strange woman, dealing pleasure slaves and bliss dust, shipping her delights to every shore. Far to the east, in the Roman/Hindu Empire of the Prophet, a kindly old priestess is on pilgrimage from town to town, "ministering" to the sick, who follow after her in a great procession of the diseased and hopeless. And in the far, far south, in the deepest basement of the many-tiered Palace of the Hundred Virtues, a thin man is chained to the wall, smiling, waiting for the king to come once more and ask his clever, clever, clever advice. I'm planning a long campaign, with trouble every day. Hell, that's not even mentioning the Aztec/Egyptian kingdom whose religion is a genestealer cult. I didn't want to go overboard, so I limited myself to Nids and Chaos.

>>22965260
Look for a gamefinder thread and sometimes a game generates in an Only War thread.

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>>22965271
>genestealer cult

>>22964960

That is entirely just you. You are reading far, far, FAR too much into this to justify ranting about racism. This is a story about ten guys from a future empire in a tank fighting Scottish Mongols on Dinosaurs. There are no privileges to be checked here, aside from fun.

>>22965269
So, the fuck. what?

>>22965015

You just spoilered wrong and probably ruined it for the player in the thread.

>>22965260
>>22965289
Is there just the core book or more?

>>22965304
No I'm not agreeing with the privilegebot. Just saying that the tank does have some limitations.

>>22965144
In my personal opinion, it exchanges the excellent Only War mood for a rimjob. "Sit in a trench, go on suicide missions, survive against all odds," in exchange for "LOL CHARGE IN LIKE A RETARD FOR GREAT REWARDS, IT'S SUPER PEACHY KEEN." But let's set that aside. In my opinion, the versimilitude of a nomadic steppe people that are apparently far enough away that they were unaware of a fucking HELLHOUND, and yet, close enough that the players can just ride on over and charge into a massive city is just fucking LUDICROUS.

>>22965102
So, how close is the camp to the other camp that the players just repulsed an attack from? Hellhounds generate smoke. Smoke can be seen for miles on a flat plain. The tent city would be pretty fucking dense not to attack earlier. If there were hella huge killbeasts on this planet, you'd think that they'd have gotten used to the thought of something monstrous and massive needing more than arrows.

>>22965271
Can I fuck your campaign. Like, with my dick and everything.

>>22965315
Just the core book so far, it's fairly new. They're doing an expansion which includes, amongst other things, rough riders.

>>22965271

I am both terrified and burning with desire to join this game or steal all your ideas and run it myself. Is it online?

>>22965315
Currently from what I know there is a core book, GM guide, and an adventure. Try looking on /rs/ though the core book and GM guide are of spotty quality. I don't think there is a scan of the adventure yet.

>>22965322
>50/50 survival chance
>City is made out of animal hide.
>Tank is going in excess of 50kph

Are you trying to not read the thread?

>>22965322
Something bigger than arrows you say? Perhaps the catapults that OP has also mentioned on several occasions, you fucking spoon?

This essentially seems to boil down to

also

>40k
>anything being ludicrous.

Perhaps you forgot about the green skinned aliens who travel around space on asteroids, crashing into planets to invade them, and whose weapons fire not because they were built correctly, but by sheer force of will. But that's not ludicrous at all. A tent city is.

>>22965271
>On an island chain far to the southeast, the trader princes have their kingdom. A princess has risen among them, a strange woman, dealing pleasure slaves and bliss dust, shipping her delights to every shore. Far to the east, in the Roman/Hindu Empire of the Prophet, a kindly old priestess is on pilgrimage from town to town, "ministering" to the sick, who follow after her in a great procession of the diseased and hopeless. And in the far, far south, in the deepest basement of the many-tiered Palace of the Hundred Virtues, a thin man is chained to the wall, smiling, waiting for the king to come once more and ask his clever, clever, clever advice.

Wow, that's the most fanfiction.net thing you could've written.

>>22963463
just watch out for mailmen, or mail ladies they wouldn't be happy if you go all sexiest like Caesar did

>>22965254
>>22965269

The PCs are actually seriously concerned about fuel, to the extent that they've already dumped most of the Inferno Cannon's prometheum into the fuel tank. They've got enough to drive out out here, shoot the cannon 4 times, and drive back to the village they took over, and then they are bone dry. The plan is to upgrade the village's primitive distillery until it can produce pure enough alcohol to run an engine; spend the winter doing that, and they'll have enough to run the tank for a few hours. They're blowing their resources on this op, gambling that the infighting withing the decapitated horde will be worth it. They might be right. Also, the Bolar had tar pits in their territory. They figure once the horde is broken they can seize them and start making prometheum.

Is it only the Leman Russ, or anything on a Chimera chassis, that can run on wood? I'm being a little stricter, but I'd like to know the official.

And Retard, it's not a capital city, it's a tent city. It's where the horde made camp this week. Christ, you're stupid.

>>22965392
Really? Where is the report button?

>>22965254
That's a crock of shit, tanks need fuel even in 40k. Littered throughout Only War, there's references to fuel. It does not use las batteries for power.

>>22965361
50/50 survival chance nothing, the fact that the players just barrel into fuck off mountain with everybody still happily sitting around in their tents in the huge flamethrower tank when they could see them coming miles away is stupid.

>>22965382
Burning catapults are, first off, a bad idea on the plains, secondly, 40k IS certainly silly, but it's not silly for you to masturbate to it.

That's the exact shit I hate with /tg/. "Oh but there's orks, so a half Tau half Necron waifu makes sense!"

>>22965415
Just quickly checking the wiki, the Chimera and the Leman Russ have different powerplants, so it might only be the Leman Russ that can run on anything. I'm not an authority for this however.

>>22965415
Ahm...

> the Leman Russ can accept almost any sort of combustible fuel.

>>22965457

Stop trying to pretend that your asspain is due to any reason other than the fact that you have jammed a large stick up your own ass.

>>22964960
>It's more of an unrealistic power fantasy I have a problem with.
The entirety of the Imperium, and to a very slightly lesser extent all of 40k, is an unrealistic power fantasy. Why are you even in this thread if you dislike unrealistic power fantasies? You're not a fan of Warhammer 40,000.

>>22965457
>a half Tau half Necron waifu makes sense.

Your words, not mine. Coincidentally a them for each of your fucking retarded posts for this thread.

In a universe like 40ks, OPs world is absolutely legit. Just because it's not the sort of campaign you'd run, doesn't mean you should come and shit all over the thread.

Also, at the risk of repeating myself to a brick wall, OP says the people saw the tank coming, underestimated it and paid the consequences. Now they're retaliating with force.

>50/50 survival is nothing

It is when you have been saying for the entire thread that OP's campaign is about a bunch of immortal, supersoldiers stomping all over oppressed tribesmen and failing to check their privileges.

>fire in plains is silly

Oh fuck off.

>>22965457
Check the wiki to learn about the engine of the 40k tanks.

>with everybody still happily sitting around in their tents

They are getting the massive creatures ready. In case you have forgotten again.

>>22965415
If it's a tent city it still lends the question- why the fuck was everyone sitting around when the rapebus was barreling into them?

>>22963310


Read Deathworld 3 by Harry Harrison. It's your campaign in a nutshell.

>>22965457

There are many mentions to Imperial vehicles being able to burn basically anything for fuel.

>>22964960
ONCE AGAIN, the natives are not non-white, and this isn't a case of a few guys with muskets dominating a huge group without guns with ease. They have a tank, flamethrowers, laser rifles, and military training. You also seem to have missed the fact that they may very well be about to get their shit kicked in, on account of being so outnumbered, and by fighters who really aren't anything to sneeze at. They're here on the planet to unite and redirect the indigenous population to a certain goal, not to just conquer the natives and knock up all the women.

>unrealistic power fantasy
I guess you've never played a tabletop RPG before. Please go back to tumblr.

>>22965535
I assume this is in the same vein as chucking a lasgun powerpack onto a fire for a quick charge. It's not very good for it, and it's not optimal, but it gets the job done.

>>22965457

Hey, fuckwit.

Every time you say "OP is so stupid, why aren't they doing this"

If you read the thread

You'd see

They're doing that.

Also from the thread: The attack came at night, therefore no visible smoke plume. But the nomads DID see the PCs coming, because they're smart and had distant sentries who lit signal fires. They did not stay in their tents, they sent 200 horsemen to deal with it. They had no reason to think any more would be needed. And the PCs are worried about fuel.

Everyone, please let this be the last reply the idiot gets. If he wants to complain about things that aren't actually happening, let him talk to himself.

>>22965457
>the players just barrel into fuck off mountain with everybody still happily sitting around in their tents
So, you're the type that just ignores what contradicts your favoured opinion >>22965102

>>22965533
Because they have no idea what a tank is.

>>22965534
>Harry Harrison

Ewwwww.

>>22965553
Yes. You could throw the animal hides and any spare wood and it would go on for a while.

>Inb4 I was troll all along!

>>22965459
>>22965480

Ahh, good. I was planning for fuel resupply to be a serious limitation on how often they can use the tank; glad to know it's just the Russ, not the Hellhound, that can run on charcoal.

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>>22965602

>>22965563
Except they had fought the players before during the raid!

>>22965512
EVERYTHING is shit in 40k, that's why I like. I don't like it when (Like in CS Goto's shit) one side acts blatantly fucktarded and out of character to set up a victory. It's distasteful.

>>22965545
The OP started with "TEN AGAINST A HOJILLION...AND THEY'RE WINNING." It sure seems like an uncertain thing, eh?

>>22965556
So, they're only a night's ride away from the bad guy's camp? And they had gotten raided earlier? I daresay there should have been some kind of question of "Hey, what the fuck hit you guys? A big metal beast with fire? Well, fuck, let's move the fuck away from THERE."

>>22965611
Well the tank also has parts that can break so thats something. Eventually the PCs will need to improvise or jury rig parts for it.

>>22965611
According to one of the wikis the Chimera chassis can burn multiple fuels. Im not sure if that means anything or just alcohol/gas/prometheum.


Your call op.

This is retarded.

>>22965662
So you expect the medieval raiders to have radios now? And there are two separate tribes we are talking about here, and they are enemies.

>>22965662
>OP started with TEN AGAINST A HOJILLION

No he didn't. And even if he had he clarified in all his subsequent posts, which you clearly failed to read, that they were probably going to die.

>except they had fought the players before during the raid

I think those guys may have got incinerated. Don't think they were telling any tales.

>>22965662
Go go go. You pick and you chose those posts! Ignore all the others stating otherwise! Yea!

I don't see what the big deal is about the campaign. The OP said he had a plan for the players to gradually build their own army and take on the bad guys. Guess what players always do......fuck with DM plans.

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OP, if you're still reading this:

You and your players are a pack of wiley, glorious, wonderful bastards and I hope you have a spanking good time, whatever happens to the tank.

>>22965679

I'm gonna say the Chimera can run on alcohol, various petroleum products (gasoline, diesel, kerosene) and good ol' prometheum. Which they'll be just about out of, after two weeks of driving all day, out onto the steppe and back. But prometheum can also be made from a variety of different materials; Forgemother Arachne has a precious little case with samples of several bioengineered bacteria that can make the good stuff out of massive amounts of cellulose, large amounts of sugars, various kinds of oil, etc.

Oh, and the PCs wiped out the first raid against them, interrogating the few survivors. Then they rode out immediately (the Hellhound is faster than a horseman carrying a message,) so that they could attack the Bolar before word spread of their magic fire wagon.

>>22965820
That sounds like a good plan. If they want to drive the thing, they need to at least distil some alcohol. If they want to fire the cannon, they'll need to make some promethium.

>>22965820
Sounds boss. OP. The plants you grow to refine into Prometheum turn out to be hallucinogenic dont they OP... dont they...

>>22965820
Btw I think the term promethium refers to two seperate things - firstly any fuel used to run vehicles and secondly the equivalent of napalm that flamers shoot

>>22965716
The Mongol Horde sure as shit was capable of coordinating the conquest of Asia. Flat land with shit visible for miles means it's pretty damn easy to get across 'trouble'.

>>22965732
50/50 is not probably going to die. More than that, "DECKED OUT IN A HELLHOUND RIDING THROUGH UNARMED CIVILIANS HEELLLLLLL YEEEEEEAAAHHHHH" really says most everything. And the fact that literally EVERYONE EVER DIED in the raid just makes it even MORE retarded.

"Tamzugk, did you just see that wall of hellish fire that we have never seen before incinerate half our force?"
"YES BUT WE DIE MOST HONORABRY AND CERTAINRY DON'T REGROUP"

>>22965902
>stereotypical Asian accent
>OP has said they are not asian

Check your privilege anon

>>22965902

God damn it you fuck, they did regroup, now leave already and let us be awesome without your dumb ass retarding it.

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>>22965902
>Not at night
>They are preparing their megt dinosaurs

What is with you and this 50/50 = unarmed people bullshit.

>>22965926
So they regrouped and absolutely no way no how the information never got back to their boss that they got fucked?

>>22965934
They are preparing their mega dinosaurs WAY AFTER when they should have.

And yes, the OP did post that the players were rolling through tent city incinerating women and children as a selling point. But let's ignore that. I'm saying that the antagonist present is a moron. NIGHT STEALTH ATTACK HELLHOUND aside, it means that (Strategically speaking) the guy was right next door to the people he oh so subtly raided. The players fought off this raid. At this point, you'd expect some kind of information to filter back to Not-Ghengis. Not to mention, apparently the planet is already chock full of Chaos and Tyranids apparently, but, whatever, IGNORING THAT. Anyway, Not-Ghengis takes the information that the other tribe has apparently got some big thing that spews fire, and uses it to...Sit there until the players arrive in their FIRE SPEWING TANK in the DEAD OF NIGHT.

Are the Not-Mongols all an abhuman strain of mentally deficient retards?

>>22966042
Let me show you something. There are two tribes. They are enemies. On gets raided by a giant mechanical thing. Does that tribe have any reason to go to their enemies to tell them of this occurrence.

Now say to yourself. "The tribes are enemies, they do not like each other." 10 times.

>>22966042
OP has stated that the tank (which is faster than an animal) left immediately after the attack arrived at the tent city before any of the raiders could possibly arrive.

You fucking moron.

>>22966096
No, Tribe 1 is on HELLHOUND FUCK CREW's side. Tribe 2 RAIDED Tribe 1. Or paid Tribe 3 to do it, whatever.

Raid ends because HELLHOUND FUCK CREW is there to save the day and jerk themselves off, and they're all outta lube. Tribe 2 hears absolutely nothing about this apparently, until HELLHOUND FUCK CREW rides in to their mega massive tent city.

>>22966042

>first small raid
>all fucked over by superior weaponry
>survivors interrogated
>commissar immediately decides to attack warchief
>travels FASTER THAN MESSENGER HORSE RELAY
>scouts notice weird thing
>light signal fires
>200 horse archers
>tank drives through them
>shit is definitely up as the thing drives through tent city
>siege weapons readied
>giant animals getting ready
>leader gets aboard dinosaurs with his men, ready to fuck party
>HURR DURR THEY SHOULD HAVE SEEN IT COMING MUCH EARLIER

Fuck off.

>>22966042
It's at night. So no smoke signals. The tank is faster than the horses. The raiders dont have radio or any long distance communications. They are not in sight of one another.

What the fuck do you want?

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Dear OP
10/10 would play
I love that the Commissars plan is hit the biggest guy first and so hard that you win the first fight and all the next ones, too.

ps
Dear but hurt fagot
pic related

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>>22965897

I figured they ran their vehicles on napalm. Because 40k.

God damn, I am looking forward to next session. Did I mention the Needletongues, dog-sized dinosaurs the Bolar use as hunting animals? They've got, like, frog-tongues with stinger on the end, paralytic venom. And the things I've been calling raptors, they've got feathers; long, controlled jumps. The Bolar use them to leap cavalry over palisades. First thing that happens next session, Rao the Black Pheonix is gonna jump his overgrown Archeopteryx right on top of their tank and start trying to pry open hatches with his sword. Hope the Commissar tries to swordfight him. Rao has damn near every melee talent in the book. And if they survive that, they get to drive out of the burning tent city with warbeasts trying to ram them, Bolar warriors trying to climb aboard and kill them, raptors jumping on top of them... Gonna be an interesting session. If they survive, the probably won't face anything as dangerous until it comes time to clear out the Genestealer cult kingdom. Or maybe the fleet of airships from the south continent. Heh, they'll have to board the zepplin fleet by riding flying beasts up there. Pretty zepplins, too, all painted like Chinese lanterns, with batteries of gunpowder rockets and buckets of burning oil to drop...

>>22966119
No. No you are wrong. That never happened.

>>22964540

>rapid-fire lasguns which will kill in a single shot and arrow-proof armor plus native auxiliaries versus chucklefucks with swords

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>>22964960
>unrealistic power fantasy
This is /tg/. This is the board where games that involve wizards, psykers, and walking incarnation of gods are discussed with the intent to build the most powerful versions of those characters. Where card games get their flavor from playing powerful, multiverse travelling wizards that summon sultry female werewolves. Where there are threads that glorify 'elf slave wat do' and boobplate at the extreme end and CYOA quests that deal with swapping genders on the more nuanced end.

I'm glad that you've taken basic anthropology and have a multifaceted view of the world. But applying your knowledge of the real world to a fictional game and world that might be worked on a few hours a week by the GM before running it with the intent of letting his players have a fun time is not only inappropriate but grossly insulting to the real world cultures you are drawing parallels to.

I admit, there are problems with traditional gaming culture, some of which I've mentioned. But attack the source, the disease, not something that can only be very loosely construed as a symptom.

>>22966157
But arent those civilians totally defenseless? Isnt that what you said? Oh what, you didnt say that at all...

>>22966141
That conflicts with what OP said about the sentries and bonfires.

Oh, unless he was talking about the lights of the flames.

Similar, say, to the lights of gun, las, and/or inferno cannon FIRE?

>>22966132
EVERY member of the raid is taken.

The tribe playing host to the Guardsmen knows where the warchief HAPPENS to be.

The Hellhound drives STRAIGHT there.

There is absolutely no intervening populace, obstacles, bodies of water, or incident.

The attack occurs in the SAME NIGHT.

The 200 horse archer force encounters them not at all far from the city- apparently, not a fortification, or some other outpost, but the sole garrison of the city.

Why didn't you skip ahead and just say a warp portal got you there?

>>22964625
>People pounding their penises at the thought of grinding untermenschen underneath their tank treads

>implying you haven't enjoyed killing "sub-human" goblins and orcs at some point
>implying you haven't enjoyed killing honest-to-god humans in video games

>>22966199
see
>>22963310

To be more specific.

>The crazy motherfuckers have a single Hellhound tank, which they have driven into the miles-wide tent-city of the Bolar, running through tents, crushing women and children, shooting and incinerating anyone who tries to stop them

>>22966221

>tent city
>any sort of fortifications

Are you fucking retarded? Honestly, you are currently making /mlp/ look like it's full of reasonable people.

>>22966221
What the fuck is wrong with you? It's a game. Lighten the fuck up

>>22966240
You really dont get phases of action do you? The entire god damned city isnt going to evacuate or move under an hour is it?

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>>22966197
>sultry female werewolves

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>>22966221
>There is absolutely no intervening populace, obstacles, bodies of water, or incident.

Okay, let's say they drove through a fuck-ton of villages on the way there.

Would you care to explain how those villages are going to explain that a gigantic metal demon is charging straight at the main encampment BEFORE said gigantic metal demon arrives at the encampment?

Last I checked horses couldn't run at 60mph.

Also
>bodies of water

Hellhounds are waterproofed, you dolt. If they encounter a body of water they'll just run along the riverbed until they emerge.

>>22966221
Listen. Instead of you telling us how stuff cant happen, why dont you tell us how then would happen. Mister back seat GM.

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>>22966299
oh u

>>22966221

>Mongol expies using fortifications

Oh lord my sides. Why would you want to choke off an army of hundreds of thousands of horse archers which rely on mobility above all else inside narrow, restrictive fortifications?

>>22966197
Oh Christ no, /tg/ is a cancerous shit house. I limit myself to a snarky comment and then hide the thread.

Barring of course being getting huffy and saying I'm wrong, then I simply must engage them.

I mean, the usual brew of 'lol put tits on it' is awful enough, but this one is especially rankling because it brings up the idea of the 'idiot savage' that is clearly not true. The fact that players are all excited about running over women and children irritates me as well, but I leave that to the side because that's a ourobos snake just waiting to happen. But. The idea that the players are in for a SUPER HARD TIME with the giant lizard beasts that the Mongols have and ohhh bwarrrr the flamthrurwers and terodactuls and mungls and aztecs and bwarrrrrr COMPLETELY ignoring rationality on the parts of the dinohurrr riders in favor of giving a snake shine is what bothers me.

Especially for Only War. A grand game, that has thought put into it. That even brings up (shockingly) the aspect of losing.

The fact that the players didn't drive into the steppe cock sure and found nothing except for some occasional bands of horse archers to flambe and then nothing, nothing but the endless sea of grass and dirt and sky is an issue for me.

That, and the fact that everyone keeps replying to me.

>>22966221
YA SEE GUISE! After the initial attack some of the horse people get away. Now, we all know that horsemen fleeing a metal monster can navigate a hundred miles of wilderness faster than a future tech tank that runs off of napalm. Also the city that the horsemen come to? They simultaneously set up fortifications and evacuate the city, and they also know exactly how to counter a tank , because horsemen.

>>22966221
How are you not understanding that the tent city is just a temporary encampment?

So what do you think their long term plans are OP? Mass production of firearms? army of slaves to build a ULTRA FORTRESS? Drag them into the industrial revolution?

>>22964598
They weren't really conquests, more ritual wars. They were the dominant power, so could kick anyone's ass with ease. The thing that the conquistadors did was unite the opposing city states against them.

>>22966386
>Hey guys I made this really awesome campaign
>You go to this plains planet, and you find NOTHING!

Are you sure you know what you are doing?

>>22966435
Has the troll been reported yet?

>>22966386

>idiot savage

NO ONE, ANYWHERE, BUT YOU, HAS CLAIMED THIS.

You are the cancer of /tg/. Please go.

>>22966350
>>22966258
A miles large tent city that supports death world dino beasts.

But no, you're right, I didn't mean a wall, I meant any kind of subsidiary outpost or encampment.

>>22966316
They'll run along the river bed until they reach the other side and can't get traction enough to get up the 75 degree slope.

And for that matter, how do the players know which tent city houses Captain Shit for Strategy? How do the tribals that the players encountered earlier know?

>>22966443

Doubtless multiple times.

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A Bolar legend, as told by Covar Ten-Tongues.

Our father is the King of All. He is in the sun, and his sign is the pheonix with two heads.

Our father had twenty sons. The Wolf was his son, and the Grox, and the Warbeast. The strongest of his sons was the Horse. And the weakest of his sons was the Man, whose name was Olan Nus Pius.

Our Father, our King, loved his sons, the strong and the weak. But the Horse was proud, and did not love our father. It rose up against him, to strike him down with its hooves. Our father only watched, not understanding that the son he so loved would try to slay him. But the Man saw, and threw himself before Father to protect him, and was struck by the Horse and wounded unto death. Father saw, then, and knew, and wept tears of fire. And Father laid the Horse low.

And so Father took the many children of the Man, and the many children of the Horse, and said: for your heresy, and your pride, you must submit. From now until the end time, horses shall serve men, and be beneath them, and loyal to them. And for their loyalty and their love, men shall make the strength of horses their own.

And that is the tale of the Horse Heresy.

("Horse Heresy" shamelessly stolen from a joke on /tg/. Oh, and they call their battle raptors "Greathorses.")

>>22966386
>That, and the fact that everyone keeps replying to me.

What do you expect when you get unreasonably mad over absolutely nothing?

>but this one is especially rankling because it brings up the idea of the 'idiot savage' that is clearly not true.

The only idiot here is you, because you have repeatedly ignored the fact that the DM -expects- his players to die. He thinks that they will most likely lose, even given the fact that they have a tank. The "idiot savages" aren't going to be effortlessly wiped out; they're most likely going to kill the PCs. The PCs have a chance at succeeding at their mission, one of ASSASSINATION, because they have a god-damn tank and are using it against people who don't have weapons that can reliably crack fullplate, let alone a few inches of solid tank hull.

>The fact that the players didn't drive into the steppe cock sure and found nothing except for some occasional bands of horse archers to flambe and then nothing, nothing but the endless sea of grass and dirt and sky is an issue for me.

This is you dictating to the OP how he should run his setting, and it's just as rankling to me as this thread apparently is to you. Do you seriously think that the actual Mongol steppe was nothing but a bunch of leaderless bands of horsemen rambling around? Fuck no, they were called the "Golden HORDE" for a reason, and they conquered a hell of a lot of large, populated cities.

Go back to Tumblr and continue your social justice blogging there. I think you'll find it much more accomodating.

>>22966454
>But no, you're right, I didn't mean a wall, I meant any kind of subsidiary outpost or encampment.

So the tank blows through a subsidiary outpost or encampment at 60mph en route to the main camp. What do you propose that encampment does, exactly?

>They'll run along the river bed until they reach the other side and can't get traction enough to get up the 75 degree slope.

Care to explain how modern tanks can ford rivers just fine, then?

>>22966454

Congrats. You have actually given the first piece of intelligent criticism since you started. Presumably, they know where the tent city is because they interrogated the raiders, who might have an idea of where to report their success/failure.

>>22966454
Because are a major power in the area, and that most nomads follow the seasons so it would be easy to guestimate where the large city is currently at?

>Why cant you make these answers for yourself?

>>22966386
Just disengage there is nothing to be won.

>>22966403
That raises even MORE questions.

If that's a temporary encampment, then why do the players know where it is?

HAY GUIESE! So you are dropped onto a planet with few resources right?

As you come out of your ship the entire planets populations is ready in ambush. You are slaughtered mercilessly.

The end.

>Your games must be awesome

>>22965902
mass chaos invasion.

>>22966513
>then why do the players know where it is?

>why do the players know where a massive tent city holding hundreds of thousands of warriors is when they captured and interrogated some of the warriors from that city

If you want to go yell at racists, go to /pol/, you twat.

>>22966513
Look here.
>>22966487

>>22966486
"Oh yeah, just go due South, no, no, no changes in direction, also in ten foot tall burning letters of Imperial Gothic you'll have a sign that says 'KUBLAI KHAN'S RETARDED BROTHER HERE'".

>>22966547

Yes, but I already know how to get to your house.

>>22966547

Right, because the leader won't be at the center of the encampment in a fucking gigantic and ostentatious pavilion surrounded by thousands of royal guards, a hundreds-strong harem, and piles of loot. Genghis Khan 2.0 will be camping out in some tiny-ass, moldy, raggedy tent on Bumfuck Nowhere Road, Tent City.

>>22966547
"They make camp near the bend in the Silver River. Follow the moon rise until you come to 7 Point Rock, then ride with the Burning Stars until dawn. There you will find the city"

It's like you have never heard a story about anything ever.

>>22966386
Well, you're just so willfully ignorant and full of shit we can't help but point it out.

Nothing here says "idiot savage". None of the raiders who attack the PCs allies excaped and the spies among the PCs allies couldn't get word to notGenghis because the tank is faster than their available means of communication. When the sentries of the army of notGenghis signaled danger they sent out 200 horsemen to deal with it and probably thought that would be then end of it. The PCs did not bother to kill most of those horsemen electing to just drive on through towards the tents. Because of the speed of the tank they outdistanced the horsemen who were trying to sop them and got into the tent city before an effective defence could be mounted but by the time they got to notGenghis' main pavilion notGenghis had rallied his forces.

Really, given what they were up against I'm not seeing how the forces of notGeghis could have done better.

>>22966606

The whiner's actually the only one who has called them "idiot savages", and even has gone so far as to replace L's with R's in mocking quotes. I'd say that the only person who has a problem with race here is him.

whats the name of this game?

>>22966632

That's lacist.

>>22966606
But they are horsemen, doesnt that give them magical powers of perception and 100mph horses?

>>22966480
Modern tanks can ford 3 to 4 meters of depth, with special equipment. Without, about a meter.

A hellhound tank needs an upgrade to be NBC proof. Doesn't seem like they're waterproof to me. Engines need air.

And you lecturing me on Mongols is hysterical, really.

>>22966487
An interrogation that takes no time at all, suffers no lingual barriers, and gives them exact coordinates.

>>22966486
"It could be over that way." "Which way?" "Follow the setting sun my lord, it's exactly due West."

>>22966651
Future tech. Story telling. And who the hell knows. They could of had some fucking planetary scan images. Either way a horseman cant beat the tank.

>>22966651

Well, since you seem to be woefully ignorant on steppe nomads despite all your self-proclaimed expertise, what is hysterical is your taking umbrage.

As for interrogation techniques, the Imperium definitely excels in that arena, and this is definitely knowledge a Commissar should have.

Also, read up for how they would actually give directions, you waste of your father's sperm and mother's egg.

>>22966651
>and gives them exact coordinates.

They don't need exact coordinates. It's a miles-wide tent city. They just need to be pointed in the general direction.

>>22966651
>Modern tanks can ford 3 to 4 meters of depth, with special equipment. Without, about a meter.

This sure is remarkable backpedaling on your previous position that "TANK'S JUST GONNA FAIL TO CLIMB THE RIVERBANK GUYS".

>>22966386
This poor person is severely butthurt. Not at us, but because he quite clearly didn't get invited to his highschool Superbowl party.
So he's taking it out on a decent thread.
I'm Deeply sorry OP, that this immature, and mildly mentally deficient individual is shitting up your glorious campaign.

>>22966671
No one's arguing a horseman can beat a tank. I'm arguing a horseman would be able to judge that.

I'm arguing that the Hellhound barreling to the Khan guided by some kind of fucking satellite and the reaction of the Khan being 'NOBODY DO ANYTHING EVERYBODY BE TARGET PRACTICE' is stupid. Them rallying their warbeasts AFTER everything raises even more questions, amongst which is the what was the first session, players giggling with each other saying "I'm going to aim for the mother trying to shield her child," but foremost being that how does absolutely NO information whatsoever get to the not Mongols about there being a Hellhound on the planet?

>>22966710

He was obviously touched inappropriately by his DM.

>>22966745

>the reaction of the Khan being 'NOBODY DO ANYTHING EVERYBODY BE TARGET PRACTICE'

But that's wrong, you fucking idiot. The Khan's reaction was "Send two hundred horsemen to investigate", and then "Raise the camp to arms."

>Them rallying their warbeasts AFTER everything raises even more questions

Yes, it raises the question of "Can you wake, orientate and outfit a gigantic warbeast before a tank traveling at 60mph tears through your tent city?"

>but foremost being that how does absolutely NO information whatsoever get to the not Mongols about there being a Hellhound on the planet?

I'll ask you again. Can a horse outrun a tank?

You clearly haven't even bothered to read what the OP has been saying, opting instead to create your own personal fantasy of what this campaign is in order to have something to get offended about.

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The party found the grand encampment through a combination of interrogating prisoners, asking the people in the village they saved, and having a battle psyker with some fun scrying powers. The encampment follows a migration pattern to prevent overgrazing (except when at war.) Intel control, who knows what when, who knows about the offworlders and what they can do, how fast information can travel, where various tribes gather and migrate, has been a big part of the game. Heh... the PCs being so careful with intel gathering is part of why I was surprised when their plan was "charge." As previously mentioned, finding the encampment took 7 days and half their fuel. Once they were a day's travel away, they chilled for a few hours so that they'd hit the encampment after dark. They were spotted by sentries when they were 15 miles out; the sentries lit bonfires, alerting the camp that something was approaching. The PCs ran into several large patrols on the way in, but were faster than them.

I'm happy to talk about my game, it's why I made the thread, and I'll answer any questions anyone has if they're not too insanely hostile. Everything that's happening is happening for a reason. And the Bolar aren't helpless little primitives, they're badass. The last time one of them got a PC in melee, he got the Commissar into crits before going down. Incidentally, if anyone's interested in their culture, I've got shit about tribal politics and manhood rituals and heraldry and everything.

Heh. Build a world, then drop some PCs into it and watch it burn.

>>22966747
>>22966710

Nice ad hominem fallacy. At first I felt like this guy was being a /little/ too pushy about exactly realism and verisimilitude but you chucklefucks crushed any sympathy I might have had for OP and his white knights.

>>22966807

But you're willing to overlook this guy propping up strawmen left and right and not even bothering to read the details of what he's complaining about?

>>22966784

>finding the encampment took 7 days and half their fuel

And no one spotted the loud, smoke belching monstrosity lumbering their way during that period?

I thought that guy was being retarded but now you're kind of stretching this into disbelief.

>>22966745

>NOBODY DO ANYTHING EVERYBODY BE TARGET PRACTICE

Did you fail every reading comprehension test you ever took? If not, could you please tell us what you have done since then, so we can avoid such obvious mind-destroying behavior?

They get into the Khan's tent, find nothing, suddenly far flap opens and RAPTOR CAVALRY AND FLAMING TAR CATAPULTS AND GIANT BEASTS BEING READIED.

Also, where do you get 'I'm aiming for mother and child"+giggles? Because this is the first I've actually seen that mentioned. Projecting much?

As for the Hellhound, we have no idea how often it's been used before this instance, so how do they automagically know A: it exists and B: it is a threat because of these reasons?

Reading over the most recent OP post, some rumors of something may have reached our Khan. Again, that does not mean he knows its full capabilities.

>>22966807

Fuck off troll defense force and/or samefag.

>>22966745
Because the hellhound hasn't been on planet long enough to build a rep. And Khan didn't have his guys just sit around, he sent out a force of 200 against a single adversary. That's a sizable force and one that is probably capable od dealing with or delaying anything the notmongols are used to fighting. Considering they had never encountered a tank before it's fairly understandable they wouldn't realize how armored it is nor would they know it's capable of just driving over any human or horse in the way.

>>22966784
>Build a world, then drop some PCs into it and watch it burn.
That should be on the cover of every GM handbook for every system

>>22966676
Well whatever, you are being a bit of a cunt even if you are being somewhat helpful. (Not that guy.)

Anyway, what he says is more or less true. The characters need to get inside the heads the dudes so they can understand how they fight and how best to manipulate them.

I think they maybe went in a little half cocked, frankly. They should have had native support and the conception of installing Imperial Authority at the top of the system the locals have, or simply installing someone who is a puppet of the Imperium if they cannot get the tribesmen to listen to a Imperial official as Khan.

I think a good approach would be presenting the Emperor as the greatest of many potential spirits they would want to worship, and they would want to worship him because he requires nothing but token loyalty, and destroying that which would already be hateful to them.

The working to expand Imperial influence, that can be snuck in by couching that in terms of them expanding Imperial interests and directly benefiting from said conquest.

As long as they serve loyally, they will be offered opportunities to conquer worlds beyond the stars for their children and grand children to graze unimaginably large herds of stock on and possess forever.

In the short term loyal servants of the Celestial Emperor/Father(Whatever term they would most respond to) get to pound the piss out of their ancestral enemies with the almighty gifts they are to receive as followers of said figure. (I imagine they would be keen on getting Superior Horses/war beasts from the Bio-Priests, and stuff like Lances that make guys explode and stuff.)

>>22966693
I'm talking about the water alone, which is what the post earlier had stated that modern tanks had no issues with.

And a miles wide tent city is nothing compared to a planet.

Either the players are close enough that there's no way possible for the Khan to miss a warning, or far enough away that navigation is an issue.

>>22966676
"I am rubber you are glue" is hardly a good counter argument.

Do Commissars have the ability to understand all languages they are presented with? I was unaware of that.

Through sheer attrition, I might be forced to concede because at this point, it's stopped being an argument.

A Hellhound, a massive metal box of hate and fire, is not stealthy. It would require suicidal overconfidence, or breathtaking idiocy for the Khanate to take literally no measure to counter it, or to be completely unaware of it. The campaign OP is running sounds more like the edgy games that we all ran in high school. "We're gonna be the bad guys" kind of games, where the good guys always gave up when the princess was taken hostage and nobody ever thought to hide when the dragon passed overhead.

The only thing you all can do now is imply I've been molested. Which really,speaks to the level of discourse in /tg/.

>>22966833
>I thought that guy was being retarded but now you're kind of stretching this into disbelief.

Expecting messengers on horseback to outrun a fucking tank is the only thing here that's stretching my disbelief.

>>22966867
>Do Commissars have the ability to understand all languages they are presented with? I was unaware of that.

So the team wouldn't have been taught how to interact with the locals before being dropped onto this planet on a mission which by its very nature requires interacting with the locals? Is that what you're saying?

>Either the players are close enough that there's no way possible for the Khan to miss a warning, or far enough away that navigation is an issue.

Try reading OP's posts next time before you complain about his campaign, would you?
>>22966784

>>22966784
>Chilled a few hours so that they'd hit the encampment after dark.

So, no native decided to ride out and take a look? You don't need to be right next to them to see the gouts of flame. Or hear the screams of the dying.

>>22966817

He's corrected himself. You guys continue to act like grade schoolers and call him 'butthurt'. Its not very intelligent nor are you adding anything to the debate at hand, so it comes off as needless idiotic mewling to me.

So do my own posts.

The only thing I find hard to believe is that they did not encounter any resistance until after they were already on top of their tent city thing. I think them being spotted days before and the natives shitting their pants at the 'fire-breathing metal creature's imminent arrive' would have made for some excellent pants-shitting tension and not push it past the point of disbelief. It would also reward the players less for choosing aggression right away.

>>22966868
SEVEN DAYS of fucking around is hardly "So fast they couldn't think of doing anything."

>>22966860
>I think they maybe went in a little half cocked

OP did say this wasn't what he expected the PCs to do. See >>22963310
>My expectation: They take over a village, then a tribe, then a kingdom, training those under their protection, gradually increasing their forces.

>>22966913

No, but the players sure as hell would be able to run down and kill any messengers who were sent to warn the tent city, because they have a tank.

Smoke signals and such are another matter, of course, but OP hasn't said whether his tribes use smoke signals or even if they have the capability to relay a message over such extreme distances using that method.

>>22966902
>He's corrected himself.

He most certainly has not corrected himself. Nowhere has he apologized to OP for representing a richly detailed and well-thought-out campaign as whities getting off on murdering a bunch of natives portrayed as ignorant savages. In fact, I'm not even convinced that he's read anything the OP has said past OP's second or third post.

If you're going to censure people in a debate, be objective about it.

>>22966860

Yeah, a lot of what you're saying is what OP was saying too. But PCs sometimes do crazy/awesome/stupid things.

And yes, I am being a bit of a cunt, but this is after I have already seen that reasoned argument takes a while on this troll, so I figured I'd go for some insults, since he's spent the entire thread insulting the intelligence of everyone reading it.

>>22966867

Read the latest OP post in which he spelled shit out. Are there some holes? Yes. It's not like he has painted the entire picture, only broad strokes. Has he made some mistakes? Probably. But nowhere near the level you insist on inventing.

As for the 'lol DM tuch his nauty bits' post, yes, that was dumb. Indicative of how much you've annoyed the readers here, but still dumb.

But when it comes to 'level of discourse', you have yet to reach a level worthy of anything approaching respect, the sole reason I give you any is because I like to give people chances. I still think you're a waste of carbon and education.

>>22966902

He has begrudgingly admitted that one or two of his strident assertions were laughably, demonstrably false 5-10 posts before he posted. He has provided, to date, one valid criticism that OP made even more valid. Nothing to justify his level of vitriol and self-important posturing.

>>22966868

Horse riders who know the terrain intimately, unlike the foreigners in the machine that can't traverse certain areas as well. Warning signals could have been raised a lot earlier (again, the bonfire thing, but they didn't do it until the Hellhound was practically on top of the city? what?????), or if there is any sort of bird messenger system, it would probably get there faster.

You are also assuming that they wouldn't see the smoke and so on until they were within walking distance of the Hellhound, and not miles and miles away. Given the extravagant fauna of this world I think its safe to assume that lots of smoke on the horizon moving toward you is a good indication that you should start warning others and sending signals. They would have had a headstart, at the very least.

>>22966961
>richly detailed and well-thought-out campaign
>DINO MONGOLS BRO

>>22966970

Go back and read the thread again. Don't come back until you have. We will know, because we have read it.

>>22963693
>romans.jpg
I don't know why I found that filename hilarious

>>22966961
If the players had run down and killed EVERY messenger (Which would involve seeing every dot on the horizon and riding it down), wouldn't you think there'd be fire, gunshots, screams? Sounds carry over the steppe. It also doesn't get rid of the growing cloud of dust and smoke that's approaching the Khan.

>>22966970

Now who's the one employing ad hominems? Read OP's posts. >>22966784

>Incidentally, if anyone's interested in their culture, I've got shit about tribal politics and manhood rituals and heraldry and everything.


>>22966902
I sure hope that you're just as quick to leap to the criticism of this guy: >>22966970

>>22966867
>The only thing you all can do now is imply I've been molested.

Except that's wrong. We're even at this moment shooting down your poorly thought out complaints and arguments.

>>22966867

>The campaign OP is running sounds more like the edgy games that we all ran in high school. "We're gonna be the bad guys" kind of games, where the good guys always gave up when the princess was taken hostage and nobody ever thought to hide when the dragon passed overhead.

I think you are projecting really hard right here and we have no proof otherwise of their intentions and behavior during the 'run over women and children' part of OP's little tale. Otherwise I do agree that its a little bullshit they didn't notice nor do anything prior to all of this. Feels like the players are being fed an 'easy win' and rewarded for doing stupid shit instead of playing carefully, like this mind of mission would encourage you to do.

>>22967018

Honestly, it sounds more to me like OP was caught off-guard and had to improvise some shit. Not everyone can do this without letting something fall to the wayside.

>>22966992

Sure there'd be sounds, and sure there'd be towns that would be alerted, things like that. Doesn't change the fact that there's no way in hell horseback messengers are beating out a tank, even if the tank doesn't run down and kill them.

And sure, there'll be a cloud of dust and smoke, but I think many people in this thread greatly overestimate how visible one tank is going to be. Commanders have managed to pull off flanking maneuvers unseen with entire COMPANIES of tanks in modern desert warfare, and that's in the face of binoculars and aerial surveillance.

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>>22966784
>Incidentally, if anyone's interested in their culture, I've got shit about tribal politics and manhood rituals and heraldry and everything.

I would like to hear about these things.

>>22966867
>The campaign OP is running sounds more like the edgy games that we all ran in high school. "We're gonna be the bad guys" kind of games, where the good guys always gave up when the princess was taken hostage and nobody ever thought to hide when the dragon passed overhead.

It's Warhammer 40K. Everyone is just different factions of badguys.

>>22966961

OP isn't asking for an apology and doesn't really deserve one. He put this thread up on an anonymous message board, there's no rules of conduct or anything. For all he knew it could have been derailed with mass sage bombing and image spam of furry dickgirls or whatever. If anything be thankful this guy is at least trying to argue a point, however poorly, that has some grain of merit to it instead of saging and completely shitposting the thing to death.

>>22967043
Because attention has been diverted.

The only thing going at the moment for the Khan is the fact that the raid got curbstomped by fucking WIZARDS with some kind of fire breathing beast.

Seeing as there is megafauna in this setting, one would assume that the Khan would reply assuming there was some god awful TRex hell thing. A mysterious black cloud getting closer and closer? Surely in one of those seven days, the Khan could have taken precautions to act against the witches.

>>22967043

>in modern desert warfare
>desert

Completely different kind of geography. Believe it or not, yes, there is a huge difference between these two. Your example is a poor one.

>>22967063
>If anything be thankful this guy is at least trying to argue a point, however poorly, that has some grain of merit to it

If we need to be thankful for people ignoring facts in order to start shit in the name of whatever personal crusade they're up in arms for, then we've come to a very bad place.

Instead of saying "thanks for trying to argue a horrible point in a horrible fashion and ignoring everything the OP said", why don't we say "don't be such an ass next time and actually read the thread?"

He may have not engaged in outright ad hominems, but he's certainly implied very strongly that OP and his group are a bunch of racist perverts getting off on wanton slaughter of "inferior races" on more than one occasion throughout this thread.

That's not the kind of posting I want to reward or support, and certainly not when it derails an otherwise awesome thread. How about you?

This is 4chan, not Tumblr. I don't want to see awesome threads get ruined because somebody had their feelings hurt over something in the OP's post.


>>22967128
That's exactly what I'm saying. I agree with you.

>>22967040

Yeah, I got that feeling too. its why I'm having a hard time wanting to support this guy's argument against it. Its a little dumb but its still a game, a space FANTASY game at that, and spur-of-the-moment shit is never given the luxury of being well thought out.

>>22967137
>then we've come to a very bad place.

well... yeah. its 4chan.

>>22967128
Just because they're white doesn't mean the natives aren't acting fucking retarded.

>>22967117
Different geography? Meaning that huge, fast moving lumps of iron would be more easily visible in the desert, right? Being that they would be kicking up huge amounts of loose sand, and would be one of the few large moving objects?

Suddenly, Orks. Orks everywhere.

Que some tribesmen becoming xeno-worshipping heretics, joining the orks by painting themselves green and red.

>>22967137
Okay, first of all? Bog standard "CHECK MY AWESOME GAME /tg/" thread which I find boring. Then shit storm caught my eye. I think it's perfectly reasonable for the Khan to be caught off guard by a hellhound tank. He is a god damn mongol whose most advanced invention is sitting on a horse while shooting a bow, and that is a flamethrower tank.

But, I do feel like

>a single Hellhound tank, which they have driven into the miles-wide tent-city of the Bolar, running through tents, crushing women and children

doesn't exactly speak well of the guy's group.

>>22967110
Khan didn't know the raid had been wiped out. That's why the PCs set out near immediately after they crushed the raid force, they didn't want word getting back to Khan about the weapons that killed his raiders.

>>22967110

It's a raid on a settlement a good distance away from the tent city, and historically these kinds of raids tend to be pretty autonomous. I doubt that they would be expected to report back within seven days or else be presumed missing and have the entire army put on high alert.

The village being raided isn't going to send word of what happened back to the Khan for obvious reasons, and no one else is going to be in a position to know that space wizards with metal monsters wiped out the raid.

>>22967063

>no rules of conduct

http://www.4chan.org/rules#tg

I'll just leave this here.

As for thanking him for having a single valid point among all the retardation, we are less obliged to thank him than he is to apologize. We do not have to thank anyone for behaving decently, especially when they are not behaving decently, they're just not being a /b/-tard.

>>22967117

As much as I hate to agree, I must. Desert is not always wide open sandy vistas. Most desert stealth cases I know of use fairly large rocky outcroppings.

>>22967139

So don't support him. He has shown himself to be lacking in civility and basic reason.

>>22967171
Are we talking about WW2 here?

Because we should also mention that that also involves immense formations, and not just one solitary tank, which, by concession of the OP, is an anomaly on the world.

If you're dealing with shit in front of you, of course you're not going to be keeping an eye to your flanks.

But, on the other hand, if it's an environment where raids are frequent with mega beasts, but no fighting is occurring right this moment, then the uncamo'd flame tank tearing ass across the plains that you've never encountered before might be noteworthy.

>>22967137

His presentation for it was shit and focused entirely on attacking OP instead of being reasonable about it, yeah.

I'm just saying he could have made it a lot worse. There's more people who are prone to acting pissy and derailing in shitty ways on here than ones who'll at least throw up an arguably less shitty argument.


As for the OP, my only suggestion is to not go too overboard on putting every 40k faction in there. Genestealer cult is a given if the planet is close to being invaded, but you've got almost two decades out for that. Personally I would wait and introduce genestealers later to try and upset the balance of power and rulership the PCs have established once the planet is under their thumb.

Chaos works but I wouldn't get Too heavy into it. Guardsmen are not trained to handle daemons and psykers and shit. If the Imperials knew those are present in any force on the planet, they would not have given such a small contingent of Guardsmen this mission. They would have rolled in with Inquisitorial powers or the Sisters of Battle to 'purify' the world.

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>>22966860

Yeah, that's almost word-for-word the pitch they've given to the people who are now their allies. "We are from the great king in the sky! The end days are coming, and he has sent us to gather the world's most valiant warriors into a mighty army, to fight great monsters and win eternal glory!" If they survive, I expect them to make the same pitch to the fragmented Bolar clans. It helps that their religion, talked about here:

>>22966470

is descended from the Imperial Creed, as relayed by missionaries a couple thousand years ago. It's also totally true; they are literally here to raise up an army and fight the end of the world.

I was fully expecting them to take it more slowly, and not attack the horde until they had a huge army of their own. But by that time, Rao would know what a tank was and be ready for it (and people on the steppe would know to report it to him, rather than just going "what the fuck was that thing? When I take my cattle to market next month, I'll tell someone about it.") This move was either brilliant or suicidal, and we'll find out which next session.

Oh, on the language issue: the lowlanders, Faithful of the Prophet, use heavily accented Low Gothic like people in medieval Europe used Latin; you use it in church, and educated people know it. So it was one of the languages known by Covar Ten-Tongues, a clever old bastard who has made himself invaluable as a source of information and translation (and is taking full advantage of this to manipulate the PCs. I love evil viziers.)

>>22967175

It's a city filled with families. If OP didn't have civilians get hurt, people would be on his ass for creating "an unrealistic power fantasy glorifying war while whitewashing its horrors". OP can't win here.

If PCs take action that will hurt innocents, shouldn't innocents be hurt? Aren't realistic consequences what good roleplaying relies on?

I don't think that this is a case of the players seeing a weeping woman holding a baby and yelling "AIM THERE, TEN POINTS" GTA-style (though I do suspect that most, if not all of the people in this thread have giggled at civilians being run over or murdered in a GTA-like game at least once) but rather the players driving through a city that has hundreds of thousands of civilians and unavoidably killing some of them because it's a city of hundreds of thousands of civilians.

>>22967212
>I'm just saying he could have made it a lot worse.

Sure he could have, but I don't see any reason to celebrate shitposting whether it's dressed in the trappings of decent vocabulary and grammar or just "LOL FAGGOT GO SUCK A DICK".

>>22967179
>>22967181
I thought the dude had a network of spies among the tribes?

>At which point, instead of working counterintelligence to find Rao's spies

from >>22963693

OP, are you going for the whole run, including tyranid siege?
cos if so, you could maybe go full Two Towers and have Eldar turn up.

Hear me out: The Eldar would have a vested interest in the Imperium not falling. At least not yet. If the Imperium falls so suddenly, you have a thousand WAAGHs, a million attempted Chaos uprisings on every imperial world as the Emperors protection fails. Not to mention the brand new eye of Terra as Emps falls of his golden Potty.
And who do you think Chaos will turn to once the myriad Emotional humans have fallen or died?
The Tau, with such small numbers and warp presence they barely register? The Orks, who have no appreciation for complex machinations, carnal pleasures and do not wither as they age?

Those tasty, tasty Elf souls are next on the Chaos Menu if the Imperium falls and if Terra gets Nom'd it WILL fall.

So I'm picturing a "That is no Hive Ship!" situation as the Elfdar warp in to nip the bugs in the bud. What does /tg/ and more importantly, OP, think?

>>22967235
Seeing as the medic above was stating how he was leading in kills, kinda sounds like the players like that.

No what's being debated though.

>The players in my only war game are currently outnumbered 30,000 to 1.

This sounds aweso-

>And the players are winning.

Gay as fuck.

>>22967175
Warhammer 40K

Also, the PCs have to get shit on this planet unified or everything gets eaten by tyranids. OP didn't expect the PCs to try and immediately assassinate the Khan but from the perspective of the PCs the Khan is a huge threat if he has time to prepare defences against their limited hightech resources. Killing some civilians while in the process of rushing to eliminate what seems to be the biggest threat to saving the planet at the moment probably seems like acceptable casualties.

>>22967268
I know, right?

Christ, make it a Deathwatch game, then it would actually FIT. Only War is supposed to be a desperate struggle.

>>22967243
Spies that have to rely on messengers which are much slower than a tank. Hence the PCs set out near immediately so they can attack before Khan gets word and can prepare.

>>22967248

The Elves never showed up in the Two Towers book.

I don't hate the movies, but christ that is a convention I despise. Peter Jackson really took the bite out of Helm's Deep and the heroism out of the Rohrimm defending it.

>>22967268
Winning by a certain value of winning.
They aren't LOSING yet, per se.
Andthey've killed more of the enemy than they have lost, by percentage thus far.
Read thread

>>22967243

I'm sure he does, just as I am equally sure that the players are intelligent enough not to let some guy run off alone on a horse in the direction of the Khan the day after they dropped from the sky and wiped out one of his raids.

Also, this is a bumfuck nowhere village, right? Small village like that, they're gonna know if somebody is a spy, or at the very least if he's suspicious. You can't keep secrets in that kind of settlement. Plus, it's quite possible that the Khan has not penetrated everywhere; it would be very difficult to keep accurate tabs on every tiny community.

>>22967267
Don't we all like doing well in battle when we play an RPG? I would certainly agree with you that the attitude is rather distasteful if it's clarified that the players are deliberately hosing down civilians with promethium and counting the kills from that, but to me it sounds like they're attacking the people trying to stop the tank.
>>22967287
>stop having BADWRONGFUN

It's only a system. The players can play it however they damn well please, and if at the end of the day it's a fun game, who are you to criticize?

>>22967224
Please tell us more about the world and the cultures of the civilizations on it. We know that they use domesticated dinosaurs, but what else is there?

Thread was awesome for about twenty posts, then tumblr faggot ran in throwing Howard Zinn (i.e., fake) history at everyone.

>>22967212

Genestealer cults have been known to sit on a planet for millenia before the Tyranids show up. It's not really overboard, especially since it's nowhere near where the PCs are now.

>>22967288
In every village for 7 days?

>>22967291
I agree, but you have to admit, the elf spectacle in the films WAS impressive.
Not that I agree with it, but it did add a dramatic, hopeful twist in an otherwise GRIMDARK siege.
I do realise he cheapened the original idea that it was Human idependence war day, but at the time I thought he'd cover that theme in the RotK.
Of course we got instead 3spooky5me ghosts winning their battles.
That DID piss me off.
What about my idea for it's own merit, as derivative as it is?

>>22967320
What? Howard Zinn? Why are you bringing him into this?

>>22967324

OP actually gave a decent response.

The tank is an Outside Context Event. It is something so unexpected that until you see it in action, you have no idea what to expect, and even then it's still outside your personal context.

>>22967339

The retard's claims about 'idiot savage' and 'I know exactly how every steppe tribe worked, excuse me while I make shit up that five seconds of critical thinking can remove'.

>>22967321

[citation needed]

But yes, even if they are on planet, I would leave them in deep hibernation mode until Imperial order starts getting in full swing. Without the Imperials there taking the planet would be easy and uncontested. But when they unify the whole world and bring it up to a MUCH higher technological level in less than two decades... that's when your sleeper cells should start going active and trying to destabilize everything the players worked toward.

>>22967324

Most villages aren't even going to know that this raid went on, much less that it was wiped out. Nobody in the village that was raided is going to squeal to the Khan because it's the village that was raided, and even if they tried the tank will still get to the encampment before them.

>>22967339
Because I'm Super Bowl drunk and I associate Zinn with anyone who sympathizes with American natives.

>>22967356

This also gives OP a future, and much more deadly antagonist, in his back pocket for later. Ace up his sleeve and all of that. It also runs hand in hand with escalation because at that point you'd have genestealer mutants and hybrids armed with equivalent armor or weapons, and Genestealers themselves. Which is not something they should be facing /right now/.

>>22967287
Except in Only War, you start WAY better off than in Deathwatch. In Deathwatch, you're just some so-so genemodded types with okay-tier gear. In Only War, you can start the goddamn game with an incredibly awesome melta-tank.

>>22967324
What do you mean? It doesn't seem like the PCs stopped and fucked around in any villages on the way to the Khan.

>>22967363
>>22967354
Please do not associate Howard Zinn with Social Justice tumblr trash. He is actually a good historian that looks at perspectives that aren't typically handled by the main stream.

>>22967381

The difference here is in Deathwatch you'll always start off with that modest gear and chargen.

In Only War you COULD optimize it, but your GM might nail you down with certain things, a specific regiment, and they can take your fancy melta-tank away whenever because High Command and the Ministorium are uncaring, vicious cunts.

>>22967334
The ghost thing was pretty stupid in that, as far as anyone can tell, in Tolkien's work, a totally disembodied spirit can't kill you, just scare you. That is why Sauron even bothered to give the Nazgul "invisible sinews" and so forth, and why, say, balrogs had a body at all.

>>22967354
Ugh, Outside Context Event.

Here's the context, every time somebody gets near it, IT FRIES THEM.

The tank has been trundling around the plains for seven days, killing people that have seen it. People might wonder where those other people went missing after they started following the black smoke in the horizon. Gee, it's heading towards the miles long tent city. Nah, don't let the Khan know.

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>>22967049

Groovy, here goes. It's not super-original stuff, but I had fun with it. Heh... the PCs still aren't sure whether Bolar "Astropaths" have psychic powers.

I already posted the foundation of their religion (which is basically tribal animism, with elements of the Imperial Creed. The lowlanders are much closer to the creed with their Path of the Prophet, but that's a different culture entirely.) Most tribes claim one of the Father's 20 sons as a totem animal. Rao the Black Pheonix is controversial because he claims the Pheonix as his totem, and the Pheonix is the sign of the Father himself. He's basically claiming to be the messiah, saying that his tribe is the chosen people and all the other tribes are his subjects.

The PC's landed in the Border Hills, where the weakening empire of the Prophet's Domain (sort of Hindu Romans) is losing ground to the expanding Bolar tribes (who are being pushed east by Rao's expansion.) The first group they met was a patrol of Bolar from the Needletongue tribe, coming to see what that thing that fell from the sky was. Through a combination of high-tech, battle-psyker witchcraft, and some VERY good rolls, they managed to convince the half-dozen guys to join them. (One of them was Covar Ten-Tongues, who translated.) So now they have Varis Needletongue, nephew of Chief Karkor Needletongue, on their side.

Covar Ten-Tongues! Interesting guy. He was in line to be chief of another tribe, and he would have made a mean one. Ten-tongues isn't for how many languages he knows, it's how many he nailed to a post after someone tried to maneuver him out of the line of succession. Unfortunately for Covar, Rao was on the move and rolled over his whole tribe. Covar escaped execution by becoming an "astropath," a member of their shaman caste. Astropaths are lore-keepers and god-speakers; they remember oral history, interpret omens, know languages. And you become an astropath by beholding the Father. Who lives in the sun...

>>22967411
Yeah. New Zealand has been the worst thing to happen to fantasy literature.

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I have a delivery to the folks posting in this thread. Where should I leave it?

>>22967430
Did you post earlier? I saw a pretty aggressive post with your name on it earlier...

>>22967421
Wouldn't matter if they sent a message to the Khan, the tank is faster and would get there first.

>>22967334

I'd only worry about trying to shove too many factions in there, but...

Okay, hear me out. Exodites tend to ride around with magic space dinosaurs and shit, right? Maybe its a lost exodite world that humans tried (and failed) to successfully colonize and the Imperium lost touch for awhile. Or whatever.

I'd just want a good reason for them to be there that isn't 'throw every 40k faction onto one planet'.

>>22967402
Unless you get dropped on a planet solo to convert it to a fortress world, then all bets are off.

>>22967421
You do realize that not everyone assumes everything is a tank right? The smoke stack a tank would give off doesn't make a massive black smog cloud that ascends ten miles into the atmosphere. Modern battle tanks hardly have fumes trails go above a few dozen feet, plus there's no reason to assume these clouds are from unordinary sources, such as encampment fires, or wild fires which often start on the plains.

>>22967421

Again, the question is, how do they let the Khan know?

The only believable way to inform the Khan of the threat would be a very complicated smoke signal relay system, as there's no way horsemen could outpace a tank, even with a day's head start. OP has said nothing of whether such a smoke signal system exists.

Frankly, would you rather that your DM went "nope, sorry, they have a massive smoke signal chain and you are crushed instantly by the full weight of fifteen hundred gigantic warbeasts" instead of giving you at least a chance to pull off a wild, crazy, and fun idea? They may still well fail, but the DM gave them the chance to take the campaign in the direction they wanted while still being able to fail instead of flat-out shutting them down. That's good DMing and will most likely make for a hell of a memorable campaign no matter what happens.

>>22967449
I saw that post too. The grammar was different from OP's and OP has been quite polite towards criticisms earlier in the thread. I doubt that was the real OP.

>>22967402
Yes, if the GM throws in houserules to make a game harder, the game will be harder.

You might think there's a baseline level of awesome to those games, but there are fuckloads of enemies in 40k that will laugh their ass off if they're faced by space marines with (non-heavy) bolters and chainswords.

>>22967356

Millenia I admit I have no citation for. Existing for decades before the hive fleet shows up, there are numerous examples: Gravalax and Ichar IV being two I can pull up with a moment's look on Lexicanum.

On a feudal world, ironically, genestealer cults are limited in how quickly they can expand.

>>22967397

So, he's a hipster historian? Sounds pretty tumblr to me.

I jest, I don't know the guy really.

>>22967421

Except it hasn't, with one exception. All we know is that in one fight, anyone who wasn't captured was killed by it. Then it raced off across the countryside, being merely a roaring smoke-belching metal box. Nowhere has OP said it killed all witnesses. It didn't need to. It just sped faster than they could send a message, ASSUMING THEY KNEW THEY NEEDED TO SEND ONE.

Jesus, stop inventing reasons to be right.

>>22967433
HE WAS TROLLING ALL ALONG!
Oh, you!
Got us good this time, guys, eh?
Oh well, all in good fun!
:D

>>22967471

Uh, those aren't house rules. Any equipment or vehicles you requisite are free game to be taken away later. That's even a core part of Only War.

>>22967483

That, or it's someone else just posting.

>>22967432
I wouldn't necessarily say that. He took liberties. Some of them really terrible liberties. Some of them hilarious AND stupid. But, for example, I had absolutely no emotional reaction to the book version of the Hobbit, it was just "...huh, that was really strange." But I had plenty of feels in the movie.

>>22967483
Nope, I just read through this and got a migraine. No fun and shit in here. What is up with /tg/ tonight?

>>22967494
You can use GM fiat to redistribute a marine's gear too.

>>22967464
Wild fires don't emit black smoke, and Hellhounds definitely do, if you look at the art for them.

Besides that though, the smoke is coming CLOSER. No one checked it out?

>>22967467
It would be a way to say "Fuck you guys, the Khan isn't a total retard." Seeing an oncoming dust storm with smoke attached moving very fast should worry people. Perhaps enough to pack up the tents and get going.

>>22967473
Of course they would send messages seeing as there is a mysterious roaring thing tearing across the countryside. It certainly sounds like some kind of awful mega beast.

And the players had to find the Khan. They didn't just head straight to him. By the OP's own concession, they spent seven days looking for the camp.

>>22967494

Doesn't the same thing apply to Dark Heresy?

>>22967501

To be honest most of my Hobbit nostalgia was tied up in the old 70's movie and the songs. The book was neat when I was 12 years old but my tastes have refined as I've gotten older.

You and I must be one of the few people on this board who liked the Hobbit movie more than the book..

>>22967430
>Most tribes claim one of the Father's 20 sons as a totem animal.

Which animals represent each Primarch? What legends are there that have grown from the half-remembered Imperial Creed?

>>22967526
>Besides that though, the smoke is coming CLOSER. No one checked it out?

Why would the PCs drive directly at villages in their way instead of going around?

>>22967526

>Seeing an oncoming dust storm with smoke attached moving very fast should worry people. Perhaps enough to pack up the tents and get going.

So they're going to evacuate a city of over 300,000 warriors because a dust cloud the size of that kicked up by a couple dozen horsemen is approaching the camp?

One tank is not going to raise a "dust storm".

>>22967525
>>22967529

If a Marine gets his gear taken away, it's GM fiat and outside the rules of the game.
If an Acolyte gets his gear taken away, it's GM fiat and outside the rules of the game.

If a Guardsman gets his gear taken away, he failed a Mission Logistics test by 4+ degrees.

>>22967529
In any game in theory the GM could engineer a situation to take away your shit. "Oh, crossing the stream. Roll strength checks until your bag with all your shit slips off," or "The Inquisitor orders you to strip. Then she grabs your things and throws them in to the furnace." But Only War has it as being a big part of the game, with it up front. That, as soldiers, they are in as much danger from a munitorium bureaucrat as from a stray mortar round.

>>22967529

There's literal rules for it in Only War though.

Dark Heresy varies.

Rogue Trader? Nope.

In Deathwatch I suppose you could pull rank as a fluff thing and yank the Astartes' weapons, but that's really pushing the limits of believable.

>>22967552
A dust cloud moving 70kph would certainly provoke worry if not panic, compared to that raised by horsemen.

>>22967430

So, to behold the father and become a shaman, you stare at the sun from sunrise to sunset, until you see the phoenix and receive revelation. And go blind and hallucinate.

When Rao's warriors found him, Covar was blind and holy. Very bad luck to kill an Astropath, so they let him go. He survived (in the steppe, blind) and eventually joined the Needletongue Bolar, who are the tribe controlling the area the PCs landed in. Bolar don't really "take over" towns, they just kill all the warriors and destroy the fortifications and say "we'll be coming through once a year for our tribute, fight back and we'll kill you all."

The Needletongue Bolar have as their totem the hunting beast I mentioned earlier, a little two-legged dinosaur with a poison sting in its tongue. Karkor is their chief. A great warrior in his youth, he's aging badly, becoming weak and paranoid. This is largely due heavy metal poisoning, courtesy of one of Rao's agents. Karkor has one daughter, and two favored warriors who could marry her and be the next chief. Varis (the PCs' ally) was one, but Karkor began to suspect him of plotting to speed things up by knocking the old man off, so he sent him off with an under-strength band to collect tribute.

And then, when Varis had been sent out with few guards to gather tribute from the little town of Howdun, the town was attacked by 27 men trying specifically to kill Varis. Might have worked, but the PCs were with him by that point, and due to psyker shenanigans saw the attack coming. Woulda killed them in their sleep if not for that meddling seer...

What I did NOT expect them to work out was that the attack wasn't from Karkor. It was from Rao, trying to kill a potential enemy chief (Varis) in a way that would cause the Needletongue to fall to infighting. For deniability, he used another tribe, the Longstride. Sacked their camp, kidnapped their women, told them to go kill Varis or bad stuff happens to hostages.