Hello sir,

Running SoIFRP, I'm trying to figure out how to implement Ironborn longships. It seems like Viking longships would be a natural conversion, but it doesn't feel quite right. Help me with the ships, sir.

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>>22940744
Right, so my character is currently traveling between dream dimensions and I'm trying to figure out how to get back home.

The one I just left (I reached my goal) was a massive white woman who has a city built around her, populated entirely by women. She is active in her role as city...whatever, and she occasionally reaches down and helps citizens.

I'll be coming out through her ring, however, and she knows I was there so I'm going to need a way to get out of her ring and down into the city without being seen, or at least find a way to distract her.

So with your experience, how would you distract or sneak by an omniscient giant woman?

>op sitting there with his stupid fucking haircut being no help

>>22941757
Been an hour at least before anyone asked a question at all, he could have gone.

>>22941791
>20ever
>saging

>>22941646
GRRM constantly mentions people going under the deck on those. Viking longships didn't have decks.

>>22942101
Yeah, but he calls them longships. That is exactly why I am confused.

What other type of historical ship should I model them after. I'm looking to get some model ships for my group.

>>22942101
And they are able to go up rivers too; a classic advantage of viking longships.

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Rolled 2, 7, 3 = 12

>>22941696
Use smokes to cover your advance.

>>22943206
>2013
>smoking

Enjoy lung cancer pleb

Since OP seems to have run away, I'm a Canadian forces infantryman if you guys have any questions about grunt stuff.

>>22943366
>>22943206
Well, it's a dream so I wouldn't get cancer from any smoke I made, but considering the size of her any smoke I could make wouldn't be enough to cover any movement (and more to the point, smoke would just reveal my location).

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>>22943933
What is your current tactical planning regarding magical girls?

>>22943933
What are your plans for if the moose attack? Do you have the brown menace firmly under surveillance?

Nos mos Vallo, friend, thank you for serving.

This is a non-canon question and one I've been dying to have answered; how do you guys handle ROE and the bullshit associated with it? I've seen and read stories where units are attacked from mountain ranges by taliban forces, and then the taliban just walk back into town and the soldiers can't do anything. I've even seen a video of an instance where the soldiers in a convoy that just got attacked see people walking away from the mountain range they were just attacked from that are obviously nervous and trying to act natural and they could do all of jack shit because of ROE.

Which smart-ass enforces such faggotry? How can any commander honestly think " don't shoot until they shoot first" is a viable tactic?

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What's your thoughts on women in the military? Got any good examples/stories of them?

>>22943993
Deal with them like every other magical person, once their virginity is gone, they have no power. A bushmaster would probably do them in pretty good as well.

>>22944005
You know, moose attacks are usually just the moose wandering onto the highway and someone slamming into them at highspeeds. The moose, shocked, confused and still standing stumbles into the woods while the vehicle and its occupants suffer.

>>22944005
>if

It's Canada, man. The Moose? They attack constantly. The ones that aren't becoming too smart. Friend in Nova Scotia swears up and down that he saw a Moose at an intersection in the woods look both ways before crossing the street.

>>22944048
I'm not OP, I'm the other guy and can't really give you a proper answer because I'm not responsible for issuing the orders, I just do them.

I think that its pretty retarded though. Many officers I've worked with seem to work within their own special version of reality.

>>22944049
75% of them are complete and total sluts.

The rest are men with tits.

Howdy OP, former 63 Delta here, how bad did the Nasty Girls beat their equipment in Afghanistan? Seems I had to work on their HMMWV's and 1117's than our own.

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OP here.

Shit the bed. I hung out for awhile, and there was nary a post. So I passed out. i will answer all these in respective order. Apologies. I hope whomever is still around.

>>22944327
was in Iraq, not Afghanistan, by the way

>>22944232

Total sluts huh? Had any romps lately or to they still separate the boys and the girls?

>>22944429
I'm not touching no dirty ground sheet.

If they're total sluts they should be pregnant back in the base rather than getting in the way of men's sport.

>>22944454
>Sex means getting pregnant no matter what

>>22940744
One question: In the film battle of los angeles, soldiers were fighting aliens without panicking, do you think this would happen in real life?

Another question related to the film, they quickly decided to bomb the place with civilians there, do you think this would happen in real life?

>>22944443

But you're surrounded by hot slutty muscle girls! Surely you got some action while you were on leave, right?

>>22944048
OP here.

Everybody enforces RoE. Absolutely. As retarded as it is. I'm an Field Artillery guy, and this have become very, very difficult for us in this regard. The idea, overall, is that in COIN, you have to win the population to support you. If the population thinks that you are casually dropping bombs, and not caring about the consequences, then they are going to view you as the outsider. I've had some hilarious indirect gunfights, rockets vs. my artillery, which was more along the lines of... shoot rockets at me, because we cant shoot back. This is a long, and pointed conversation, but lets just try to answer your Qs.

1) Who enforces it? Everybody. Its the Law of War, as established by higher. Here is a quote:

"If you wanted to teach a baby a lesson, would you cut its head off? Of course not. You'd paddle it. There can be circumstances when it's just as foolish to hit an enemy city with an H-bomb as it would be to spank a baby with an axe. War is not violence and killing, pure and simple; war is controlled violence, for a purpose. The purpose of war is to support your government's decisions by force. The purpose is never to kill the enemy just to be killing him...but to make him do what you want to do. Not killing...but controlled and purposeful violence. But it's not your business or mine to decide the purpose of the control. It's never a soldier's business to decide when or where or how—or why—he fights; that belongs to the statesmen and the generals. The statesmen decide why and how much; the generals take it from there and tell us where and when and how. We supply the violence; other people—'older and wiser heads,' as they say—supply the control. Which is as it should be."
Source: Sergeant Charles Zim, Page 63

>>22944501
>hot

Some of them are decent looking, but I've yet to see a hot chick outside of the band.

As for action on leave, yes there is plenty of that at bars and everything else. I don't agree with the guys that actually do shit with the girls, because it makes everything all kinds of awkward when you have to spend long periods of time with these people.

>>22944501
Dude.

You're being That Guy.
Stop being That Guy.

>>22944568
How do you feel about the armchair generals on /tg/ who think they are master tacticians?

>>22944048
cont.

>" don't shoot until they shoot first"
Its not actually the rule. the RoE is not HORRIBLY complex, but its horribly enforced by mid level leaders, PLs and stuff, who are cowards. There is a difference between a "Hostile Act" performed, and a "Hostile Intent". I saw guys digging an IED, which, we argued were Hostile intent. You know what I did? I sent an Apache helicopter in, who fired a hellfire missile and then chased down the survivors with 30mm. Was it a hostile act? Well, nobody shot at me. But it was all gravy with the RoE.

Another thing that is important to note: in Afghanistan there are two ROEs. 1) ISAF, applies to all conventional forces. (title 10). 2) there is the Operation Enduring Freedom ROE, which applies to Special Operations, which is a lot more liberal.

I hope this helps. if not, we can chat some more about it

>>22944590
That's a bit of a leading question, isn't it?
I feel like this is your way of saying "Someone disagreed with me on tactics, I know better than them".
Which makes you part of the same problem without any professional opinion.

>>22944590
I don't want to steal the thread from OP here since he's back now, but generally if I meet an armchair general online I just laugh at them or call them out on it.

They are quite numerous in planetside 2 where this little retard is just sitting down in a warpgate doing NOTHING but spamming the orders chat with stupid shit.

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>>22944610
>>22944628

If you two fought who do you think would win?

>>22944049

Well, this is a sticky issue isn't it. My thoughts? Fuck. Anon below with his 75% sluts might be a little exaggerated, but not by much. Certainly there are a few women who ruin it for the rest.

Let me ask you this though, why is it that we as a society have collectively decided through our policymakers (we do live in a republic), that women can wholly endure the rigors of modern warfare in all aspects, yet it is unfair, and completely outside the realm of imagining to integrate the NFL, NHL or professional boxing?

Here is an article by a guy, who might be the best living military historian:
http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/to-wreck-a-military

>>22944647
I'm not going to answer that.

Good luck with your thread OP

>>22944610
May be off-topic, but if you're willing to share, why are you in the US military and what's your opinion of the situation in Afghanistan? Proud to serve your country? Not patriotic, but see the Taliban as a threat to freedom/human rights? Just enjoy soldiering? etc.

>>22944520
To me that's 7 shades of bullshit, but then again I'm a civvie with no combat experience outside of shooting kids at my local air-soft arena.

To me it just seems like this whole thing took too long and cost too much when you and I both know our military was and still is fully capable of going in there and completely decimating them.

Never mind about that though; I admit I've spent an embarrassing amount of my time on /pol/ and I know that's not good for me.

To change the conversation, what's your favorite 40k army?

>>22940744

How was OCS? How did you decide on Artillery?

>>22944327
Well, my CAV squadron actually replaced a NG BDE. Yes, one CAV Squadron, replaced a whole BDE in Afghn. Silly. Why? Well, you fucking know why. If you only work army, 2 days a month, do you consider preventive maintenance to be a big deal? The NG can do a whole lot, having real jobs etc, and still able to deploy is pretty impressive really. And probably harder than the tiny welfare state that we've made our military into. However, their ability to maintain vehicles is abysmal. The TOC and entire FOB we moved in to looked like a gypsy abortion. So, you know the exact reason, but I do sympathize with your sentiments.

>>22944672

>typical PC-ing pussyfooting officer who refuses to have an opinion on one side or the other

Your career isn't at stake here, sir.

>>22944501
There is plenty of fucking while not on leave. A whole lot actually. Distressingly so. People like sex. And when the population is around 19-25 on average, what the fuck do you think is going to happen? And Muscle girls, is.... well, the marines have a lot of good muscle chicks. Not the army.

I would say, as someone who went through basic training at a mixed post, that 50% or more of the females in the army are gay. As you get higher in rank, thats probably more true. On the NCO side.

>>22944716
>tiny welfare state we've made our military into
>American military spending
...Where the fuck is the money going?

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>>22944579

What do you mean? I'm just living out my fantasy of being surrounded by muscle bound girls through this guy's sto-
.......

Goddammit, I just..... goddammit

>>22940744
I've often wondered, OP, especially as I tend to play Guardsmen in Dark Heresy and with Only War out, our GM is itching to play it...

If anyone can answer, it's you: Just how does one request artillery fire over a vox? What protocol do you have to follow and how do you request it on a specific location?

>>22944486
Well. I'll say this.
One key feature is that they were not soldiers. They were Marines. And Marines are generally better at the big army at everything. Warfighting especially. I didn't think so before, but after being in for a few years, yes. its absolutely true. Now they are generally terrible people, and borderline rapists, but they will shoot, move and communicate as utter professionals.

>bomb
yes. yes I do. ESPECIALLY if they were marines.

>>22944736
Fuck off mate. He gave his opinion loud and clear, you don't need to push him into being crude about it.

>>22944803
Is it true Marines have a far more prevalent culture for war crimes and civilian casualties than other service branches?

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>US Army Artillery

orly

How accurate is the call-for-fire depicted in this post:

http://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/14631363/#14631507

I've asked three or four artillery servicemen, and received three or four different replies. I know troops in the field can scream OHGOD SUPRESSION IN GRID 12345 RIGHT THE FUCK NOW OH PLEASE GOD and someone further up the communications chain will translate that into something more formal for the assigned fire-team, but I still don't know what communications they actually PASS. Or even who has the final authority on what munitions are fired - the FO or Joint Strike Controller can certainly describe a target and let the fire team pick the appropriate ammunition; but can they also request a specific munition? Or what?

This is incredibly important for me to get right. I can't just jam inaccuracies into this kind of fiction. It's serious business!

>>22944803
Have you ever been in a more "logistics based" posting as opposed to combat? And, if so, did you have a good experience doing it? Thinking of perhaps joining myself, but not sure that I'm willing to take the life of another man.

>>22944803

You make it sound like the marines are doing the actual fighting and everyone else is just playing cards and calling in airstrikes over the radio. What's the operational difference between the army and the marines?

>>22944812

Except he didn't. He said that a lot of Army women are sluts (unrelated to performance) and returned it with a question and a link to an article.

>>22944590
Well, I love to point out that there are 3 levels of war. Strategic, Operational, and Tactical. Some of our best analysts of war have never served. John Keegan, Bill Lind. The former a great historian, and the latter, a great theorist. One of the best even. So, there are good people, and bad people at it everywhere. Worse, being in the military, especially going through the staff officer process, you can get "Trained", not educated, pretty badly, to think in certain processes, which ruin your tactical conceptual skills. So that, outsider perspective is sometimes very valuable. Also, there is a high degree of gamism, in table top stuff, which, some certainly confuse with knowledge of tactics. So I'm generally willing to entertain all opinions, its just that after 10 of talking with someone, you can figure out if they're in the 10% who knows something, or the 90% shitcocks. This applies to people, and especially officers who are in, as well.

>>22944676
thanks.

>>22944888

I've found a good rule-of-thumb filter is to ask them to summarize Sun Tzu's Art of War in one sentence or less. Any response that sounds anything like "distract thine enemy, then punch him in the balls" is auspicious.

... by internet standards, anyways.

>>22941646
Probably something close to a galley or a caravel.

>>22944672
You say that guy might be the best living military historian. Have you got anything else to back it up? Because that article is some sloppily written shit.

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>>22944881
>mfw Marines on Iwo Jima just called artillery or air on every single rock with a Jap behind it

>>22944693
Why? Well, I took starship troopers to heart man. I feel, that if I want to exercise my franchise, to say whats good for everyone else, then I should have earned it. The patriotic chore.
>Situation in Afghanistan?
Well, we're not going to "win" it, by any means. We probably could, but it would take an investment of blood and resources that the America is not willing to commit. Another 25 years of being deployed there in strength. There are a lot of problems that have resulted as to us being there. Strategically, the problem is Pakistan. But, "ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do an die."
>Proud to serve the country?
Not really? I mean, the military is a very entitled organization. Its literally, a do not think, job. And they sort took all the pride of it, leaving me with little. the BN CDR asked this in Basic training, and the clown next to me stood up and said, "I joined the Army, because I'm a patriot sir!" Really? Were you at fucking bunker hill? get the fuck outta here guy. So, pride? not so much.

>Taliban
There are so many talibans, and whats left of it today is much different than what it was in 2001.

I actually ran two militias in Afghanistan, paying locals to take guns and kill taliban. Many of them were former taliban. I also helped "reintegrate" a lot of former insurgents. A few of them taliban. Its not really a national cause, overall, its a few pissed off local warlords, and a lot of jobless kids, who just want respect, and power.

Here's a question I'm sure has been asked in every prior thread.

Can love bloom on the battlefield?

>>22944702
We def. have the power to decimate. But, thats not the aim of that war. And like Clausewitz says, war is just politics by other means.

>Fave army
I have an IG army, and a Blood Angels renegade force... cause I like vampires. The idea, is that each marine, is a count back on their homeworld, so it let me go sorta nuts with putting adornments on each of them, and making them unique. *shrug*

>>22944672
> Over there, “illiterate” tribesmen—not, take note, tribeswomen—are right now about to force the U.S. to withdraw its troops

Stopped reading right there. The Taliban defeated the Soviet war machine twice in the Shahi-Kot Valley, and they were expecting to do the same to us. We stomped their assholes square. A bunch of fucktards who pay off local kiddies to take pot-shots from the next mountain-ridge over with an SMLE older then they are are sure as fuck not "forcing us out." Especially with the XM-25 making such pot-shots very ill-advised these days.

>>22944978
If you don't recognize the name van Creveld; you're in no position to call anything shit.

>>22944716
OCS was pretty easy. Embarrassingly so actually.At the time, the army was very deficient on officers, so it was sort of a factory.

I didn't pick the artillery, it picked me. I got assigned it by the Army. So, there it is. I still wish I was branched Armor, but, the artillery isnt bad. Its got a lot of drinkers, a few thinkers, some great traditions.

>>22945050

Kick ass dude, care to share any pics of your minis?

>>22945068
The article is terrible. I'm not even talking about the points it's making, it's just a piece of rubbish. Is it just this guy being a hack, or what? You can prevaricate all you want - I admit I'm coming from a position of inexperience - but nothing about what was linked demonstrates any kind of competence on the part of this guy.

>>22945019
>"I joined the Army, because I'm a patriot sir!" Really? Were you at fucking bunker hill?

This sounds retarded, no offense. He wasn't at Bunker Hill but he's in Afghanistan. What's the fucking difference? You're still getting your ass shot in either shore.

>>22945076
You are amazingly uninspiring.

>>22944736
fair.

I'd love to answer this succinctly, but I can't. Have I been hit with EO violations by sluts? Yep. Have I seen some badass chicks, officers included, who under fire preformed remarkably? Yes.

If you want a simple answer? If women were held to the same standard (PT etc), and could preform all the duties assigned, and didn't migrate away from actual work... then yes, it could probably work. Will it? Absolutely not. Maybe in Star Trek, not in the American society today. Too many women have ruined the paradigm for the rest, and guys... are fucking guys.

>>22944781
personnel.

50% of the DoD budget goes to retirement, healthcare, wages etc, of people in the military. So, the idea that we are so underpaid is sort of silly. I actually, think I'm over paid. But then, when a young soldier says, "the army doesn't pay me enough," and he has 6 kids.. is that the army's fault? Well fuck, guy.

>>22945112
I know it probably wouldn't have worked too well in my unit. 13 Bravos are pretty Brotastic, and adding women would have complicated things- young men strutting around and acting like asses to try and impress a potential piece of ass.

I'm for equality, but I couldn't see a women loading a Paladin with a 155 round that weighs more than half of what she does.

>>22944852
FM 6-30 Chaper 4 - Calls for Fire, everything you needed to know...

>>22945175

That's the exact page I used for reference.

After saving it to my hard-drive so Globalsecurity.org couldn't try to screw me out of 50 bucks if I viewed more then 4 articles.

>>22944799
Ah hA!

Great question!

An artillery call for fire consists of 6 parts, broken over 3 transmissions. (interesting point, the british actually start with "hello!")

1. Observer ID, Warno
2. Tgt Location
3. Tgt desc, Method of Engagement, Method of Contorl.

Example!
"Bonecrusher 40 (The fire direction center at the guns), this is Butcher 9 (the observer), Fire for Effect, Over!" ("butcher 9, this is bonecrusher 40, fire for effect out" this is readback... where the FDC talks back)
"Grid 12345678, Over" (Grid 12345678)
"One Tank, in the Open. At my Command, Over." (One tank, at my command out).

for more detail, check out chapter 4 in the FM 6-30. http://armypubs.army.mil/doctrine/DR_pubs/dr_a/pdf/fm6_30.pdf

You can get away with just saying, "you this is me, immediate suppression, grid 123456 over!" But, its not as.... good?

>>22945172
Just because men are on average stronger than women does not mean that women cannot possibly be as strong as you need them to be to perform this role. Certainly a much lower proportion of women will be capable than will be men - but there will still be capable women.

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Former 25B/19D here. I did three years NG as a Scout in a Brigade Recon Troop, 6 years active as Commo with the last 3.5 in a Special Forces Group Signal Detachment. I deployed to Iraq three times. If you can shoot it, drive it, use it to talk to someone, or get internet access, I can fill you in on pretty much every single unclassified detail.

>>22944852
>http://archive.foolz.us/tg/thread/14631363/#14631507

1) an immediate suprpession mission requires only one transmission. So that first line, is accurate, and good. "you, this is me, immediate suppression." the following stuff, fits, in a regular fire for effect mission, and was thus, very unnecessary.

2) the idea that they're delta force.... I've done artillery work for SF a lot. And they're generally horrible at it. "Hey bro, can you put some rounds on X, about Y meters out?" wtf?!

3) For Artillery, the guy who makes the call on if it can be fired, is the SSG in the Fire Direction Center. There are a few people along the chain who can deny it, but its on him. For Close Air Support, it has to be approved by a Joint Tactical Attack Controller, the JTAC. Only he can "clear hot" and let that bomb drop.

4) There is a good system. As I pointed out above, >>22945264. However, if you just get on the radio, give me a target location, I will put rounds on it. You may put it in degrees etc. In that FDC, they will unfuck your absurd request, and get rounds out to support you no matter what. For a lot more detail, check out FM 6-30, chapter four. Or if you have another certain request, about a specific fire mission, then I can go into more detail.

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>>22945264

Excellent.

>>22945305
that's fine and dandy, but I'd love to see the 130 # women that can load an ammo rack. Artillary rounds are not light, were talking 80-120 # here, depending on the round. And not just one or two rounds, if I recall correctly, a CAT can hold 96 rounds.

>>22944850

Not really? Its tough. They're deployed for only 6 or 7 months generally, and they just want to kill. And guess what. That's what they're trained, and paid to do. So? They are professionals though, and for a gamism, maybe you could add that trait to give them some flair? but actually, its not really a problem. In my experience. I wasn't in Iraq from 2003-10. So I cant give you the god's honest on it.

>>22945329
>2) the idea that they're delta force.... I've done artillery work for SF a lot. And they're generally horrible at it. "Hey bro, can you put some rounds on X, about Y meters out?" wtf?!
I've had an 18E ask me if it was possible to stream a camera feed over a SINCGARS before.

>>22944879
I've been to some silly bases. But I hate logistics. Generally the quality of people attracted to those jobs, want the paycheck, but not the work. So, its not something I recommend. If you don't want to kill people, consider the airforce. High standard of living, easy rules, they treat you like a human being.

>>22945308
Is signing on something you'd recommend to someone with no direction in his life?

FUCK YOU /TG/, HAVING A MILITARY THREAD WITH ACTUAL ARMY PERSONAL WHEN I'M TRYING TO GET PLASTERED AND RETRIEVE MY HAT FROM A STRIPPER.

19Delta here. I too wish to be a SME that /tg/ would consult one day. ;_;

>>22945354
and I forgot about opening the breach block of the Paladin, it can literally shear your hand off if you get it caught, it requires you to basically swing it around using your whole body mass to get it open.

>>22944881
the marines are a much smaller organization. They showed up to Afghanistan late. They do shorter deployments. (no marines did any 15 month rotations, like the entire army did for most of the iraq war). But, most combat, overall, is done by the army. A few, very big exceptions.. Fallujah namely. But in Afghn, the marines are in RC-South. So they have an area, that they share with the army. The US Army has the rest of the country. I was in RC-East, on the Pakistan border. Plenty of fighting. Infact, the most fighting. No marines.

Operational differences? Well, look at their mission. They are supposed to attack ports, and beaches. They work for the goddamn navy for fucks sake. Their job isn't supposed to be occupation. However, if you go down the historical record, especially in central america, we've used them for everything.

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>>22945329

So "immediate suppression" actually means immediate suppression, i.e. plaster the place.

>I've done artillery work for SF a lot. And they're generally horrible at it.

I can't quite convey the noise I made when reading that. Like I ate a giggle.

That pretty much answers everything I need to know, and the document you linked in the prior post is rather better then the globalsec page; since it includes actual examples of radio calls. Thank you kindly, it's been bugging me forever.

>>22945384
I'm the 63D from before

the military is great, but for fucks sake, do something in the military you can use in the civilian sector if you don't like it.

I did my four years and got out, but I was fortunate enough to be able to write "mechanic" and "truck driver" on resumes because of what I did in the army

>>22945384
Maybe? Some chucklefucks just don't adapt to the life and get kicked out. Some people straighten up and become pretty good soldiers. The biggest thing is (unless you want to go combat arms specifically) that you really need to be interested in the job you're signing up for. I reclassed to 25B IT specialist because I enjoyed doing that stuff, and I did well in it and got a ton of experience I'm using in my current job in civilian life.

You get out of the military what you put into it.

>>22944978
>t article is some sloppily written shit.

For his best of, check out:
Fighting Power: German and US Army performance
The Training of Officers: From Military Professionalism to Irrelevance
Men, Women, and War

Since he's israeli, he had the IDF to study. He concluded, it doesn't work. 1) women's hips cant carry the burden of weight, or it starts fucking up their innards. 2) the pure culture issue, forces us to spend X amount of time trying to stop men from being rapists, that its counter productive.

He also, was the first guy to expose the IDF for adopting Wehrmacht doctrine. Good read.

>>22945041
Yes. Absolutely. And that's all I'll say about that.

>>22945084
i might... "thin paints" etc. but, i'll try to dig them out.

>>22945455
Do those aptitude tests they give you before you sign up where they go YOU COULD BE A JET PILOT or whatever mean anything or are they just razzle dazzle to put stars in your eyes and get you in boots, holding a rifle and standing in the middle of Tahir fucking Square as I suspect they are? That's not a scenario I particularly mind but I want to go into this with both eyes open.

And yes I know we're not in Egypt but you get what I'm saying.

In urban warfare what is the most lets say practical equipment. both combat and general purpose

>>22945107

Kissinger points out, that America cannot go to war. We go on crusade. In Afghanistan, nothing I did, saved American lives back home. It wasn't for the constitution, it wasn't for moms, chevys or apple pies. I was supporting American interests abroad. It wasn't world war II, where fascism threatened the world... We effectively destroyed AlQaeda in Afghanistan years ago. I realize that what I was do thing there, was supporting national policy. Thats it. I wasn't rolling tea barrels off boats, or signing declarations of separation etc. At this point, we're just talking opinion. Getting shot at is nothing remarkable. Where are the Police in Chicago, and our giant parades for them being heroes, and yellow ribbons on cars everywhere.

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Interesting to find this thread. Current US Army Apache pilot here. Many thanks to those that have served.

>>22945519
as far as I can tell, they are used to assign you to what they think you'd be best at, and where they need people.

I scored good in spacial relations, so they came up with a list of mechanic jobs that needed to be filled

>>22945479
Yeah. Men, Women and War describes how some chick's ovaries fell out because she walked an army march. The guy might be sensible in every other way, but on this particular issue I think he's a reactionary fuck. Especially because half the problems he highlights as army problems (lack of education, fewer entrants, lower civilian:military population ratio) he just kind of lays at the door of women being in the army without any real backing. He's also operating from some rigidly defined, outdated concep of an objective 'femininity' despite the wealth of historical sources that are disparate that he uses.

If you're looking to sign up, it might be good to see if you're valid for citizenship in another country first. The US army is still better than most countries for its soldiers, but it's still partly treated as a welfare service, to ensure that people with no education and no prospects have something to do that's useful. It's why they advertise the benefits of army service so much, and don't really mention the pay - it sucks, considerably.

Other wealthy nations tend to have an approach that's better for the soldier, where they have a higher standard for recruitment, and pay you like it's an actual career. Australia and Canada have been having something of a duel over who has the highest pay and entry standards, with Australia just ahead right now because Canada had to cut back.


I know in the Australian army there's more of a focus on offering civilian-applicable skills, since they know a lot of people want to do their years and go, and unless you go something like Infantry there'll be at least one equivalency in your training. The pay for a new guy also works out at, I think, about $40,000 Aud a year after you've paid all taxes and deductions and mandatory expenses. If you have a qualified post it's much more, with anything taking a degree-level to enter paying at least $105,000 before expenses and tax and about $65,000 after all expenses. If you pick the right corps and have the qualifications, you can actually end up in Australia's highest tax bracket.

Also, if you deploy they basically just throw money at you. If you go to a combat deployment, which right now means Afghanistan, for a standard rotation, you'd have to fuck up to leave with less than $100,000 that year, after tax and expenses.

There's nothing wrong with the US army for its soldiers, per se, but you do have a chance at a much better deal somewhere else.

>>22945374
>google that
>Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio System
>streaming video
>radio

I literally just fell out of my fucking chair laughing.

>>22945519
Yes, the ASVAB means a lot. Your scores determine which jobs you are qualified for. If you score under 31st percentile overall you MIGHT be able to get a waiver. For 25B, for example, you need a 110 in the General Technology subscore to qualify (120's were the average for people in the MOS).

Ability to get a clearance is important, too. Many MOS' have a minimum clearance. Again with 25B, if you can't get a Secret, you'll be dropped from the course and sent to be either a cook or a truck driver.

>>22945108
You want stories of walking down the same steps of other american war heroes, and seeing the ghosts of historical giants watch over me as I marched past etc etc? Maybe I'm really cynical, however there is a lot of bullshit involved. I'm rarely emotionally moved by the pomp and the circumstance. Its entirely demystified. I think, one day one of basic, after getting tore up on an obstacle course, we stopped at 1700, dropped our gear, turned, and saluted the flag as retreat was played... i shed a single tear, and felt totally 'Merica. What else? I played CCR fucking loud as shit when I helicoptered in on a contracted Huey on a base in Nuristan. But, thats it.

Artillery? Its not what I wanted to do. I mean, today, i went to a bbq, run by a guy from Georgia, and we had 15 international students. All Artillery men from around the world. We toasted to the guns, etc etc. Thats neat. But, overall, I'm so disappointed by the officer corps, and the military in general, any fantasies of glory are long fucking gone. I have some ribbons, for doing my job, in a war that I think is silly.

>>22945581
It can move data...at up to a theoretical 16kbps.

Assuming the radios are 15 feet from each other with no interference and the moon's in just the right place. So you could get a slideshow the size of a postal stamp. Maybe.

>>22945552
Because the police and local law enforcement are too busy being jealous that they're not actually part of the military and so, vent their frustration on former service members.

>>22945172
Well friend, Artillery is leading the way. for the last 5 years or so, we've let women be PLs in HIMARs units. And we'll start integrating them on the guns pretty soon. Before anyone else int eh army.

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>>22945577
You have to look at the big picture. As a 20 year old officer, I made more than anyone I knee back home. Now its not the same for a brand new E-1, but you factor in BAH, BAS, Tricare, all that adds up.

>>22945305
Except what keeps happening is the physical standards for women are put much lower than men's to allow women to enter, for political correctness.
Also, in combat, females will fuck over a unit's psychology.

>>22945552
You don't think there are legitimate human rights violations in Iraq and Afghanistan that need to be stopped?
>In b4 "yes, by the US military"

>>22945386 >>22945308

scouts out! I spent my best years in a light cav squadron. Salute to you sir!

>>22945637
We've had women in combat aviation since the early 90s but there's only a handful in my battalion. Not stellar. There are exceptions but the vast majority are just not cut from the right cloth.

>>22945655
If other combat units are REMOTELY like my own, which I think is pretty chill and relaxed right now, a single female soldier will not be able to sit down for a week after we're done with her.

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>>22945561

Do you guys ever get tired of that Jesus Nut joke?

What was the single most funny situation you've witnessed in combat? Like the most ridiculous one.

>>22945666
Don't women pilots have a MUCH higher rate of ND's than males?

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>>22945685
Are you gonna run a train on her?

>>22945658

Yes, but that's not specifically saving American lives.

Don't get me wrong, stopping legitimate human rights violations abroad is a good thing, but servicemen aren't really fighting to protect the US when they're doing that.

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One big piece of advice I have is this:
Getting married as soon as possible to get out of the barracks and get that BAH is the dumbest fucking thing you can do. The military has a freakishly high divorce rate because people get married before they're ready to just because they get a little extra cash, and then two deployments later are back in the barracks with half their pay going to their ex.

It can work, but it's one of the biggest mistakes ever when it doesn't.

>>22945594
I'm not really up on the jargon, man. 25B? Secret?

>>22945703

ND's?

>>22945706
Either way, she's not gonna be able to sit down or she's gonna have break problems.

I'm in heavy cavalry and despite the Bradley only running TOWs and a 25mm, that shit ain't no joke.

>>22945692
As in ND of aircraft weapon systems? There's a few things you have to do to arm them, and in the majority of cases the woman will be directed by the pilot in command. But they're not good shots.

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>>22945692
Never. That's IMPOSSIBRU

Any clue how.pysop is doing these days?
I separated in 05 and lost touch...oh and as an o3, you can reclass (or whatever officers.call it)to psyop. Were I you I'd try.

>>22945718
Can't say I know what a 25Bravo exactly does, but it's Info Analyst. Secret clearance is exactly what it means, you have clearance to look at sensitive information.

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>>22945716
Well this is kinda funny.

>>22945529
its all shooters preference man. I'm an artillery officer. So, our good enlisted men on here will immediately think some, mostly accurate shit of, "what the fuck would he know?".

so, I'll tell you whats important to me. 1) light. Going up and down stairs is fucking taxing. So I go for a plate carrier, smaller than the regular vest.
2. Thin: I wear my kit flat. As in, I don't double stack mags, i keep it close to my chest as possible.

you develop whats called, "your workspace". So imagine holding that rifle in one hand, keeping it pointed out, and your eyes down range. Is your gear set up, so that free hand can pull a mag, put it in a drop pouch, and pick another one up, put it in, and slap yourself into gear? Can you do a good tacmag reload? honestly, its more drills than just what you have.

But I'm sure none of that helps you. maybe this does. A lot of guys make an SOP to put two mags on their back, so in a 4 man stack, you can just grab a mag off the guy infront of you. Sub machine guns did a great job in WW2 for the russians at leningrad. I couldn't say, because we all use carbines, and dont really have a choice. One neat thing I saw, is that a pouch is put on your kit, between your shoulders, with two straps. Those straps, make loops. So the idea is, if you go down, i open your strap pouch, then me and a friend, put them on, and we can drag you out, while still fighting. Kneepads, sometimes useful, more often a fucking hassle.

>>22945722
Negligent discharge. As opposed to AD, accidental discharge

>>22945567
the tests are generally bullshit. As long as your GT Score is 110, you can get any job in the army.

>>22945714
Isn't fighting to protect an innocent life enough? I know Europe loves to shit on America for turning itself into the world police, but Hell, SOMEBODY has to do it.

>>22943958
Dress as the locals dress. Heavy makeup.

>>22945718
25B is the Military Occupational Specialty code for IT Specialist.

Security Classification levels are:
Unclassified
Confidential (Nobody really uses this anymore)
Secret (operational level, usually)
Top Secret
and Special Compartmentalized Information modifier to TS.

>>22945760

What's your opinion on the M4? Does it only develop problems after sustained fire?

>>22945639
the other problem is that people look at E1 etc pay.

That isn't 'career' pay, that is not have a family pay.

The lower ranks are for your first enlistment. That is it. After you make E6 you should consider a family. until then, you are living on post and spending your pay on whatever you want. In other words, an E1 paycheck is his monthly entertainment expense account. Which is pretty damn good compared to what most people spend.

In about four or five years he will make some rank, and be a bit wiser, and he will make better pay.

>>22945753
It used to be Information Systems Operator-Analyst, but around Information Technology Specialist to better reflect what we actually do.

>>22945775
>>22945775
That's the highest any one particular job requires sir, but its certainly not going to be competitive these days. Mine was 131 about 5 years ago.

Does the military have a policy in place to deal with possible contact with extra-terrestials?

>>22945829
Should read " but around 2006 changed to Information Technology Specialist"

>>22945844
For aviators we have specific Ufo reporting procedures

>>22945658
No actually. I dont.

Not to go all war zany here. But in one area I was at for awhile, they had a problem with a local police. The governor put a different ethnicity in there. So the police, mostly 15 year old kids, started hassling people driving buy. Getting bribe money off them. The locals looked for help. THEIR WAY. They found some Talibs, who grabbed guys off the street, then broke their arms, ran their face through glass, and shot them in the head. Left them in the street. that didn't get the message, so they escalated. The next eight police they grabbed, they fed their faces to dogs, cut their arms off, and left them in the street. I was in Afghn recently, when that whole Qurran burning happened. THe next day, thousands showed up to our base, and were scaling the walls. It was like fucking zulu. People were pissed. With SSG Fucko walked outside, and started shooting civilians, you know what their reaction was? "No big deal." THey didn't give a fuck. Pashtun culture has a very different set of values. When I ran two 200 man militias, I would give them missions, that I knew our RoE would blunder. And you know what? they sorted it out, and brought peace to their area, and were celebrated by the locals for doing so.

>>22945822
M4 uses a gas-impingement system, meaning it's gonna get fucking dirtier than fuck. Would I trust my M4 to pull my fucking skinny fuck ass through firefight? Yes, I would. Wold I trust my M4 to kick my ass when I clean it? Yes, I would.

Doesn't matter though, I want a SCAR.

Also, fuck you /tg/, that stripper still has my beanie. Need to call a cab.

>>22945822
If you're firing blanks, you'll jam. If you don't lube it'll jam up. If you don't clean between ops you can get problems. But it's mostly pretty reliable these days.

>>22945786
>That isn't 'career' pay, that is not have a family pay.
>The lower ranks are for your first enlistment. That is it. After you make E6 you should consider a family. until then, you are living on post and spending your pay on whatever you want. In other words, an E1 paycheck is his monthly entertainment expense account. Which is pretty damn good compared to what most people spend.
>In about four or five years he will make some rank, and be a bit wiser, and he will

Attacking Iraq under pretense of WMD that wasn't there.
Letting massacre in Congo go unchecked

Difference: Oil.

USA is the big bully with a pretense to be a defender of the oppressed. In fact, it's an invader country.

The guns they issue you in the service. How difficult is it for someone to keep it after getting out and what are the consequences for trying to do so. Also what was the oddest weapon you've ever seen in the hands of a soldier that was given to them by the proper authorities.

>>22945722
Negligent Discharges.
Firing a weapon accidentally, basically.

>>22945874
>M4 malfunction
>it's the fucking STANAG I'm using
>I'm right in the middle of qualifying
>still score 30/40

JESUS CHRIST, FENTON.

>>22945749
I worked with 4 PSYOPS (now called MISO) teams. And I thought it would be cool. But, working them. Absolutely not. Nevar. Horrible. So bureaucratic its insane.

You can only do it for one year, when you're an O2, looking at O3. The army is getting smaller. They don't need people like they did in 05-07. SF out of year group waiver? Fuck off was the answer given.

>>22945855
They sound like stupid fucking animals. How do you stop yourself from thinking of them that way?

>>22945885
You do not keep almost any military equipment at all. The only exceptions being gear that directly touches your skin on a regular basis such as ACUs, Gortex jackets, and such. Though, it's rumored that they want you to give up fucking ACUs now.

Fucking budget cuts.

>>22945876
How much of a sense for the "grand objective" do you get at your levels anyway? I for one am still not sure what the clusterfuck in the middle east is all about~

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>>22945876
Sigh. This argument again. You are aware, good man, that WMDs don't have to be NUCLEAR? Ever heard or Sarin gas? Yeah Saddam had some. He actually used that Shit too. Tootle how many people he killed with it and lets talk.

>>22945716
AHAHHAHA reminds me of just before I went into the army.

Was living with a bunch of roommates and one of em decides that she wants to join the army. I try and get her to think extremely hard about this decision, because she has always done light labor- waitressing and bartending.

Well, my life wasn't going anywhere fast, and I decided 'fuck it, I'm sick of doing factory and temp work. At least with the army I can get Uncle Sam to foot the bill for training me for a real job.'

So I go and talk to the same recruiter as my female roommate. I've always been a chubby fuck, so they want me to lose 5 more pounds before I do my ASVAB. No problem- was on a high protein/low carb diet, 5 pounds was nothing, since I had already lost 60 the two months prior.

So, while I have this little grace period before I take the ASVAB, my roommate proposes we get hitched, just so we get a little more money when we join. She was nice enough, but I know better to stick my dick in crazy- and more-so- don't get married to crazy.

Fast forward to after Basic, I came back to town to do a short two weeks in the recruiters office. Found out my roommate didn't make it three weeks into Basic before she had "back problems" and got discharged.

>>22945887
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hXsJBf-Oa0

I've seen plenty of officers and senior enlisted ND. (One was my Troop's Senior Scout during Civil Defense at MSP)

>>22945822
reliable if you clean it off. My beef, is with the 5.56. I'd rather adopt that 7.62 SCAR. But, even though its 556, the XM8 would have ruled. The M4 is a fine weapon. Not amazing, by today's standard, but I wish we'd cycle it out of the inventory.

Yo, to the guys who've been deployed before; do you end up hating the locals after awhile? Make any friends? Or just stick to the army?

>>22945861
>SCAR

Gas-piston rifle made by Fabrique-Nationale, company with proven record of making awesome, cost-effective battle rifles.

>NOPE ARMY DOESN'T WANT IT

HK 416: Gas-piston rifle from a bunch of fuckheads who refuse to redesign their rifles based on customer feedback and charge for every one like they're forged on mithril anvils in the Mines of Moria.

>OH YEAH WE WANT THAT GIMME GIMME

god sweet fuck. My only problem with the M4 is, they shortened the barrel so much from the original design, and then act surprised when the gas pulse (which is that much hotter, having less distance/time to cool off) is overheating bolts and shearing lugs. (Though new bolts of much better temp tolerance has actually fixed that, based on your reply.)

Why is army procurement so dildoes

>>22945844
I'm sure we do. The SSD, and Strategic Plans offices make all sorts of crazy shit. However, thats at a level I never would have seen. But I'm sure they do. In the 60s we made a manual for what do if world peace broke out.

>>22945887
You are referring to accidental discharges, which are not operator error. Now NDs are operator error and will get you kicked out of certain SOF units

>>22945928
The M855A1 is supposed to be fantastic, though. I got out before it was being issue en masse, though.

>>22945952
1) Start a war

>>22945952

A manual for world peace? Seriously?

That is hilarious and interesting. Do you happen to have more information on it?

>>22945876
If Iraq's oil was really the motivator, then we would have gotten some of it. Look up how much Oil imported comes to America. Any?

Fuck, in Afghanistan, no oil, but it does have some precious minerals. You know who has it? The chinese. Iraq II wasn't about Oil, it was about reestablishing America as the leader of a global hegemon. But thats just my shitty opinion

>>22945930
Marines are using a derivative of the HK416 though.

I just want to see HK and the Marines slapped in the face when the Army wants copy the Marine's IAR by adopting the SCAR HAMR to go along side with the M249 and M240L.

Instant warboner.

>>22945930
>Why is army procurement so dildoes
Kickbacks. Did you really have to ask?

>>22945952
>World Peace
This frightens me a bit.

>>22945930
>Why is army procurement so dildoes
Because the people in it are dildoes.

Dealing with logistics fuckers as a Combat Arms or Combat Support element is the easiest way to get a headache.

>>22945885
You never keep military weapons. I guess, some managed to finagle that in Korea?

Silliest weapon? Fuck. I don't know. I saw an SF guy blast a guy off a wall when they tried to over run us with a fire extinguisher? Nothing like what you're expecting though.

>>22945998
Did he throw the fire extinguisher or use it on the guy as if he was a fire?

>>22945998
Switzerland lets its soldier's buy their SIG550s, but deactivates the auto function. That's the only First-world army I can think of that does that, though.

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>>22940744
Does your commissar threaten to shoot you if you do not work as efficiently as possible, and if there is any sign of a drop in morale? Or does your commissar try to raise your morale through stirring speeches and ensuring you get nothing but the best bunks and barracks, and saves your life time after time?

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Hey OP,. how often do you have to deal with shit-head officers ruining your fun? Or generally just fucking around with you? Have any stories on them doing some messed up shit to others?

>>22946086
My commissar and firstline yells out "WHAT, METAL GEAR!?" whenever my codec ring tone goes off.

>>22945980
Did we really not get any oil out of Afghanistan? Then why the fuck are we even wasting our time over there? Are we just trying to keep from getting rusty on a national level?

Know anything about armor? I'm curious as to how effective armor is in these kinds of anti-insurgency operations, how reliable the tanks are and how long they can run, etc.

>>22945902
lol. I made a lot of great friends there. I dunno, its complex. Different cultures etc. But, the concept of cultural relativism, was completely tossed out.

>>22946120
We didn't get any oil out of Iraq, when you get down to it. Iraq is an OPEC member and all of their production was sold by the Iraqi's through those channels.

>>22945915
You're talking about strategic objectives. And, the only "sense" you get, is the mention of the "strategic corporal". Essentially, that even the lowest level guy, in today's age of pervasive media, can fuck it up for everyone. That's about it. Most guys deploy with the mentality that, they are there to go, and bring all their battle buddies home alive. the end.

>>22945885

This isn't the Israeli army mang, they don't buy our guys video-camera-kitty-covered-corner-shooting-glocks.

>>22945929
It depends on what you do. But here is the rule, if someone was an asshole racist in America, then they'll probably be one when they get back. *shrug*

I made a lot of awesome friends. I hope to go back to Afghanistan as a Civilian, grow a beard, and buy some shitty motorcycle. Drive around for a month or two and visit them all.

Hah! With a few of them, we made a plan for me to come back, and we would start our own militia. Move up to Nuristan, get me 4 hot blonde chicks as wives, and keep the Taliban out. Still a good plan.

>>22946152
Then, again, what's the gain? The whole goddamned world paints us as the devil anyway based on half-truths, bullshit and a media that seems to want the middle east to 'win', so what possible reason could we have for not taking their oil when the backlash is exactly the same either way?

>>22946130
YES YES YES.

Armor is very much reliable in COIN operations, despite the urban environment. Yes, armor can be vulnerable in an urban environment, but that's why you have combined arms so that infantry and armor can cover each other.

The most common set up with Abrams and Bradleys is to have a platoon to set up a hunter-killer team of 2 killer Abrams and 3 hunter Bradleys. Brads pop up their turrets from underneath cover just like the SHY TANK IS SHY image macro. Brads scout out potential targets and then move out of cover to harass any dug-in targets. Anything too heavy or can't be hit by something like the 25mm or TOW, the Brads laser it for the Abrams to take out. My current unit operates like this, but on lighter terms with HMMWVs with LRAS3s acting as hunters and spotters for the Brads.

>>22945975
here is an alleged copy
http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/arms/freedom_war.html

>>22946019
used it as if there was a fire. He fell off a wall. sort of funny. Especially because he was a 6'4 250 lbs muscle bound black dude from london. In the US SF.

>>22946100
One of the Detachment commanders I had, when he was promoted to Captain, got some extra nametapes made up. Including one that said "Crunch". He was wearing that when he tried to swipe some big army unit's Guidon (the flag that represents them). He got caught, but since we don't wear unit patches downrange, and MPs can't go on our compounds, he never got into any real trouble for it.

He also tried to get into the radio room through the little service window and fell on his ass, knocking the rifle rack over.

>>22946086
I was the commissar. Seriously. An additional duty when I went up to SQDN Staff was the Information Operations Officer, so I wrote lots of propaganda. It was my nickname in the SQDN, the commissar. Don't turn around.

>>22946234
This thing is so fucking laughable. Alien attack would be more likely than the absurd My Little Pony goody-goody gumdrops scenario presented here.

>>22946100
Not much, just really minor stuff around here. Occasionally drawing dicks on their office white boards, unicorns with dickhorns on their white boards, or just plain out drawing unicorn dicks on an officer that got caught asleep.

>>22946100
Its a perilous question. Officers don't ruin much as much as Sergeants Major do. Thats their job. I had one really shitty boss, a LTC, that made my life hell for awhile. He thought it was funny. I'm going to fuck his daughters when they turn 18. All I'll have to say is "i worked for your dad, he hated me" and daddy issues will get me amazing blow jobs.

>>22946299
One pastime was coming up with as many possible legitimate commo team names that abbreviated to the sound "cock."

Our radio room was the Communications Operations Center.

whats your take on other armies in Afghanistan?
Like the Canadians or Germans?

>>22946120
No. there is no oil in afghanistan. never has been. but there is some great minerals, like lithium, and copper.

>>22946100
GS-13 here. I used to work in a shop with a bunch of naval aviators on their shore tour. I can't say if it's true for all Junior Officers but if these guys were any benchmark, they were constantly fucking with people. Hilarious shit too, mostly to their seniors vis a vis the JOPA

>>22946130
In the COIN fight, Armor is still great. The threat doesn't have a lot of weapons that can fuck it up. I have a friend, fellow captain, who lost 3 tanks (got 2 purple hearts), in Iraq. But, thats sort of a crazy exception. Generally, they do outstanding. We didn't take them to Afghanistan. But the Marines did. And they do great.

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The Army is also huge on paperwork. Fucking forms for everything.

>>22946339
Jesus.

Well. Most western europeans are worthless. French, are generally just bad. (their foreign legion though is amazing). Germany, could be awesome. They're fucking killers. However, their national rules, prevent them from being unleashed. Georgia is pretty awesome. Polish, well... they mean well? But not very great. We had to move them out, and pull the 82nd in there for a short trip to unfuck some stuff.

>>22945897
in my time, it depended on the unit (how nightmarish the bureaucracy was). Like my stint in the production detachment saw me having to get state department approval before I took a shit then write three reports on the shit to send to eight commanders, an under secretary, and a poodle that watched Braveheart.
When I went to 9th battalion and we became foreverdeployed (especially in TPD 940), the paperwork was still there, but much, much more streamlined.
Also, enlisted in my time dealt with the vast majority of that stuff. The Os just signed off for the must part.

>>22946339
oh, and canadians? the best. Killers. Outstanding tactical record. Only worked with British Special Operations, who were very badass.

>>22946383
I'm saving this because one day, this will be the perfect image to use.

>>22946383
>DA 100 all the way to DA 7000

Yes, there are DA Forms in fucking between. Are there 7000+ DA Forms? I don't know, but there's certainly at least a good 1000 forms used on a regular basis.

Also:
>soldier who doesn't know how to correctly fill out a DA 31

Ok, the only fucking excuse is if you need it to be filled out by the SCO or something. I don't know, but fuck you for increasing my work load, asshole.

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Well, I finally caught up. I'll still be around for awhile.

>>22946426
>not using the .xfdl

THIS IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE REGS.

>>22946347
Please tell me we're at least taking those and it's not the fucking ching-chong chinamen making out like the mongols as the other anon said.

>>22946421
awesome just wanted some confirmation on that, Ive heard stories where the Americans would call us crazy

What advice do you have to a burned out, contracted ROTC-Nazi who doesn't give a flying fuck about ROTC, Big Army or life in general anymore, yet still just wants to do his job and not be a total shitbag?

>>22946464
No. Infact, in Logar province, there is a copper mine, that wont be ready to extract anything for approx 10 years. China has a few hundred guys, and the Afghans, view it as such a big deal, there are 1000 police there. Pulling security for it. Way more than they commit to their cities.

>>22946404

German here

Please let us fight again : I None starts a world war if we don't do it (well austrians, really)

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>>22946426
Reading more on that form.
>Has this resulted in a traumatic brain injury?

My sides.

>>22946508
Go green, THEN go gold.

>>22946421
awesome, nice to have some confirmation, I've also heard stories where the Americans call us crazy. Care to share any encounters with Canadian soldier?

>>22946404
>Germany, could be awesome. They're fucking killers. However, their national rules, prevent them from being unleashed.
Funny, Patton used to say this exact same thing and was pretty vehement on the fact we'd need them to defeat the Soviets. You are also not the first /tg/ soldier to say every European soldier but them sucks shit.

>>22946532

I think you missed the part about "doesn't give a shit about the Army". Why would I want to go through even more .mil bullshit?

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>>22946512
THEN WHAT THE FUCK DID WE GET OUT OF EITHER WAR!? EXERCISE!?

>>22946578
Then just don't give a fuck and drop out of ROTC.

>>22946508
what year are you?

The problem is, most of your peers are shitbags. Fucking "bra'hs". So... when I was an LT, it was horrible. Out of a hundred of us, I'd respect about... 25%.

It depends a lot on what branch you go. I'll tell you what works for me. When you have subordinates, when you're that PL, and you have 30 guys who actually respect you. Man, its amazing. I have had a lot of friends who have been terrible PLs. And some great ones. Myself, I was pretty good. But the men knew i would try to run interference on really stupid shit that came down from BN, and I wasnt afraid to tell the battery commander to fuck off. But, knowing you're the difference between a world of shit for some really good guys, and an actually decent time? its amazing. pretty self suck dicking, I know. but its what made it worth it. I'm actually considering getting out man. There is so much bullshit. But, there are a lot of great guys, and made a lot of good friends. When everything is awesome, and you're firing on all pistons, its the best. Unmatched best. But, that is like. 3% of the time. The rest just sucks.

In all seriousness if attacked by Magical Girls, Cthulhu or general magical shenanigans how would the military react?

>>22946525
The US army would love to have you fight again. Sort it out with your own govt. I've had some expats who were in der bundeswehr, and they were the best soldiers and NCOs I've ever seen. I know you guys would be amazing. However, your national govt wont let you. Vote better?

Since interactions with other military forces has been brought up what's the word on the Dutch? I've seen them pop in more then a few news items and know there were active in Afghanstan till just recently.

What are the army rules on pornography again? I don't mind getting shot and killed but I got to have my weird porno.

>>22946534
I got taught by one. Other than that, no. Not personally. But their record in Afghanistan stands on its own. Tactically, very awesome. A lot of crazy scenarios, where they fought their way out, and left mongol level murder of talibs behind.

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>>22946617
We'd push the button and never look back.

>>22946652
This is still the greatest thing always.

>>22946578
Yeah. OCS can make... some great Os. But it can also make some really fucking awful ones. HORRIBLE ones. Whats the most important lesson, you can get from being enlisted? Don't do stupid shit. Ie. time wasting dog and pony shows. Or reckless shit like wander around for 9 hours, waiting to get shot at, so you can get your CIB. Don't let your guys get stuck sitting around the ready room until 1900, cause the commander is in a meeting. Protect them from bullshit. Most good PSGs don't care if you're prior service. Infact, I've seen too many prior service guys, try to be the PSG too. Horrible results.

>>22946597

Contracted and on scholarship. Not an option.

>>22946607

MS 3. I go to a senior military college, so the grand majority of the people are actually not worthless. I'm not a terribly social guy (not inept, just disinterested), and the people aren't bad, per se, (actually pretty competent for the most part) but I just don't give a shit. I see them as coworkers, not friends. I just want to go to class, do my job, do the little Army song-and-dance and go home. I'm not a natural leader either. I'm just a quiet guy that gets told what to do, try to do it with as little fuss and as much proper bearing as possible, complete the mission and go home. I would probably make the worst PL ever if I was a douchebag, lol.

>>22946622
My only experience with them, was seeing some hot chicks at the big base at Kabul International Air port. I dont think they ever took a tactical role. They just deployed to "help out". With what? I have no idea.

So what would you say the damage on a 155mm howitzer is?

>>22946633
When deployed, you're actually officially allowed any. However, no one cares. Other than that, don't make it a problem, and again, nobody cares.

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>>22946617
We'd do the right thing and ride the bomb to Hell.

>>22945966
Part of me is afraid that you're right.

>>22946617
Ride the bomb to hell.

>>22946682
Well, it all depends then. Avoid IN, AR, FA. Also, avoid QM, Trans. Commo? AG, Finance. While not hooah, its very much "a job". You do your part, you dont stay late, and you go home.

Competent in a school is way different, then being competent in a unit. West point makes some horrible fucking officers. But, also, a lot of great ones. Guys who said they went to, "Westpoint", or guys who you dont know, until you ask them. Then they make a joke about the north hudson polytechnical etc. These are generally good men. I dunno man, do something, try it out. I was in ROTC until MS3, until i was thrown out for bad grades. What I saw as success there, wasn't success in the real army. Unless you're infantry. Then its your PT test, and how good your arms look. No real leadership skills needed, but you should always be trying to act like a fucking squad leader. Cause thats why the military gave you an education, and hired you... to be a fucking squad leader. Jesus fuck.

Check this out, go read the ADRP 6-0. It actually, made me feel a lot better about being in the army.

>>22946696
>you're actually officially allowed any.
Did you miss a 'not' in there or...? Because if not, that's great fuckin' news.

>>22946693
well, there is so many! HE/PD round, lethal out to around 50m. We could shove a VT fuze on that sumbitch, and blow it up over your head. That'd fuck you up. Or use a WP round, and melt the shit out of you. But the real key here, is the price. Its cheap as fuck. A 105 round, lethal out to 35m, costs 80 bucks. And when 24 of them on you, well... fuck me. And cheap!

>>22946773
correction. You're not legally allowed any porn in theater. However, NOBODY Cares. Senior leaders borrow porn of subordinates etc etc.

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>>22946730
The votes are in!

>>22946762

I was thinking Ordnance (I'm NCOIC for my school's drill rifle maintentance/storage/manufacturing staff and I'm a huge gun nut) Aviation (flying things is pretty cool, my father was a F-16 pilot and I've taken his Cessna for a spin a couple of times) or Armor. I still don't know a lot about the other branches, though. I've got a decent PT score though (315).

I'm not prior-E, so I have zero prior miltiary experience. I'm just glad that apparently ROTC isn't like Big Army.

>>22946773

Seriously, nobody cares about your porn. About the only thing that will give you trouble is posting pictures of hardcore pornography on your walls because someone who might get offended by some miracle might see it. Other then that fucking fill your computer to the brim with porn. The US Army is pretty goddamn stupid sometimes but they are not stupid enough to try and take porn from it's soldiers.

>>22946800
I'd post some of the army girls gone wild pics I got in Iraq...but this is a blue board..

>>22946788

Okay. So for 80 bucks you could reasonably blow the hell out of whatever needing blowing up.

Better question. What do you think about this bad boy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Gustav

>>22946867
There are boards which aren't. Crosspost for justice!

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>>22946652
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>>22946816

It makes a fellow proud to be American!

Did you have any guys bring equipment not issued by the military? For example, somebody bringing a pistol, or some such.

>>22946871

Gun with a German Name?
Good Gun

(Except when they over engy it)

>>22946891
I don't even know if it'd be worth it, you can find better porn

only stuff I got was some chicks that were probably medics that took photos of themselves on a field exercise, and, supposedly, some self shots of a captain over in Balad that later got in trouble because the pics got around

>>22946862
>fill your computer
Do you get computers or can you bring laptops from home or...? Man, getting my ass shot at during the day and beating off to my little girl cartoons during the night. Talk about leaving the dream and best of all I might get killed.

>>22946762
Commo definitely isn't an easy ride.

We've got the heavy equipment worth several million dollars in a section that maybe has 15-20 guys. 24 hour operations are standard. CCI inventory control is serious fucking business.

>>22946652
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>>22946730
Well there you have it. Now the magical girls know what the score is. Stay in nippon, bitches: the west doesn't fuck around.

>>22946854
decent? 315? you're fucking high. Get ready for unit averages of 250 or 230.

>>22946906
Guns? Hell no. Knives, pouches, belts, holsters, stuff like that you can buy if you don't like what you were issued (I bought a Blade-tech holster for my MK 23 because the Blackhawk! drop-leg is complete shit).

>>22946936
Yeah, you can bring your own laptop. Putiing ANY of that shit on a government computer WILL fuck you.

Holy shit, did you guys in Afghanistan ever see the locals play this game?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzkashi

More importantly, would you have joined them?

>>22946979

Well, where I'm at, if you're not around 270 or above you might as well be failing.

>>22946854

If you are contractually obligated to join the Army then listen to the Army officer.

If you brought up the other branches because you are contractually obligated to be a officer in a branch of your choosing choose Coast Guard. Seriously, you want a regular life? The Coast Guard is military but it offers the closest you can get to a 9 to 5 lifestyle. Yeah, you will have to get sea time eventually but ship life ain't that fucking bad.

I'll say this too about the Coast Guard in comparison to the Army. In the Army people always talked about getting out or being stuck having to stay in to support their family. I rarely ran into anyone who was looking to go far because they wanted to. In the Coast Guard I rarely hear of anyone who wants to get out voluntary. People actually want to stay in.

Fuck you fuckers for no longer having to shine boots.

>>22947070
>mostly being deployed in a desert
>expects shined boots
The very idea of having to shine boots that I constantly use in the dust and dirt makes me want to strangle somebody.

>>22947070
I didn't miss it. It's just pointless to have mirror-finish boots with camouflage uniforms.

>>22946871
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerhaubitze_2000
better. I wish to god we had this thing. and i hate god.

>>22946906
No guns. absolutely not. But you can kit yours out. Lots of people get private chest rigs etc.

>>22946936
You can bring your own. ANd if your job needs it, then you'll have one.

>>22946996
No. Its not really around. played soccer, and volleyball. They love that shit. But yes, of course I would. Fuck.

>>22947027
Yeah, the army has a standard. 180. Thats why its a standard. But, you'll see. It gets better.

>>22947116

Holy shit. That thing can haul ass at 40 Miles an hour.

>If you have any questions about tactics, procedures, equipment, soldering etc to help your campaigns or characters, ask away.

In shadowrun, what would you consider the minimum response team for a militarized corporate security force?

>>22946220
To keep the arabs in check for Israel. We are Israel's lapdog, nothing more. The politicians pain us as the leader of the two but that's no so. A lot of our tax money goes to giving civs free weapons, ammunition, and food there. The oil that we procure with soldiers is sold off for corporate interests the US people don't see any of the gains out of it.

>>22947170

I should clarify: I mean more in terms of tactics and roles and what they might do to respond to a threat or call in.

>>22947185
Yeah, I got a ton of spelling and grammar errors but I was going fast. Sue me.

>>22947185
Is this because Jesus can't come back unless the heebs are in Israel or what?

>>22947191
Well, I dont know SR that well.. I can tell you what we do? I mean, it all depends on the organization. Russia just throws bombs in then leaps in afterwards. It also depends a lot of the scenario. But, the "goal" is to insert a team, have it secured by lesser forces, so no one can escape, then let professorial trigger men go in and play counterstrike pretty much. They key though, is establishing security, so no squirters get out.

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>>22947101
I personally hated it in every case other than jump boots for class a wear and was just saying fuck you for not having to deal with that particular flavor of military bullshit.

>>22947218
That's another part of it, the Evangelical groups and the Jews who utilize them create an alliance of sorts that promotes freeing Israel from "tyranny". Evangelicals and zionists create a sort of crusade in the name of God's return (E's thinking J's are Gods chosen people and J's thinking they are Gods chosen people etc.). The constant battle's there, in my humble opinion, are half a religious crusade and half about corporate interests. My apologies if I'm not wording everything clearly.

>>22947301
I was in from 2002-2012, so I did more than enough of it, and was glad to not have to anymore.

>>22946595
Way I heard it, Afghanistan was a big fuck you to their government for not helping us get the guys behind 9/11.

Now, we're holding it together so the Pakistanis don't fuck it all up, no matter how hard they try to.

Iraq was an attempt by W to nation build - transform the middle east by making the country most likely to turn into a secular democracy into one. When he ran, he promised not to nation build, largely because he thought we would be terribad at it. He was right. Patreus unfucked Iraq.

So, basically, exercise.

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>>22945800
>Confidential (Nobody really uses this anymore)
Air Fag here, anything with personnel information (SSN, performance reviews, medical paperwork) is considered Confidential.

>>22947512
Ah, fair enough.

>>22947667
Is there varying speed levels for jets, or is it just different levels of "Go Fast?"

A question: At what level is logistical support handled?

I'm trying to design a modular army for a futuristic game, building it off a fire-team model with deployable brigades containing battalions, and am wondering how they get the necessary support for everything. So what does the headquarters unit actually look like? A bunch of guys who do paperwork? Attachments to be loaned out as operationally necessary? Something else entirely?

I've figured it would probably be different at each level, with the deployable level being the only one that actually has dedicated paper-pushers, but I could be wrong about that, especially if I design them to be scaling indefinitely.

Or do you go off of a more "MI" style for paperwork: everyone has a turn in the office?

>>22947655
That's terrible. The least we could have done is rob those niggers.

Shit. Now the next time some snaggle-toothed brit goes
>U JUST WENT INTO THE MID-EAST FOR OIL MATE
I'll have to say "It's actually even dumber than that." Shit, maybe I can just lie.

>>22947804
Yeah. That was just what I heard, though.

It might not be right.

If it's any consolation, I also heard part of the reason we went into Iraq was also to keep the French from getting such cheap oil.

>>22947667
In the Army it's rated Unclassified - FOUO.

>>22947869
>If it's any consolation, I also heard part of the reason we went into Iraq was also to keep the French from getting such cheap oil.
Ehh...That helps a *little*. I do hate the french.

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>>22947728
Its different levels of "Go Fast". Unless you have props. Prop airplanes don't go fast, but they laugh at the fragile little jets and their delicate jet engines that FOD out after eating a puny rock.

Engine troops also consider turboprops to be "real" engines, because jet engines make lawn mowers look complex.

Unless its and A-10. Who is really a gun with a airplane accessory.

>>22947952
I like to think of it as the US suffering from multiple personality disorder. There's ultra Machiavellian US and crazy idealistic US, but they sound so much alike that most countries don't know which one they're talking to.

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>>22948121
But ultimately everyone gets liberated, right?

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>>22948148
Man, either that picture is photoshopped or the US just doesn't give a FUCK anymore. About ANYTHING.

>>22948121
I definitely think that at some level it's "this world is too complicated for me I'm just going to shoot it until it makes sense again". Which is fair enough. Time has shown that the US goes batshit unless it has an enemy to fight. Idle hands and all that, I suppose.

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>>22948176
A-10's get away with everything. They are the only units authorized the shark teeth for one.

>>22948176

Looks pretty fucking photoshopped.

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fuck that pixel shit, here's the PDF

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>>22948176
I imagine they care, but generally fail to maintain facades at times. They take anyone and everyone they can get their hands on, and the youth of today are naturally well represented.

OP's threads make me feel a little conflicted, though. I've seen these threads for... probably years now, but still, I can't help the vague feeling of suspicion that this just passes for advertising at kids who don't know better. And at some point yet another poor sucker is going to wind up taking a 6-year commitment to unproductive idiocy despite all their potential just because someone advertised on their favourite board.

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>>22944803
What is general difference between marines and rangers? Judging by movies, rangers consider themselves even more elite and badass than marines, is that true?
Also what the deal with rangers hoo-ha as answer to orders?

>>22948406
.... Marines are 4 divisions in size, 3 active, 1 reserve. Their job, is to support the navy, by attacking, and seizing, ports and beaches. They do lots of other stuff, and they're very good at it.

Rangers are 1 regiment in size. They sort of fall under JSOC, Joint Special Operations Command. They mostly run around at night, and snatch dudes out of homes. Sometimes, they just pull security for CAG. Rangers have a very certain mindset. But no Marine IN officer that I've ever met who went to Ranger school said it was hard.

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>>22948327
What if we're already unproductive idiots who's only marketable asset is the lack of a fear of death? I don't believe in blind socialism where people who were born wrong are carried on the backs of those that weren't. If I'm going to suck on the government teat the least I could do is give something back.
And hey, if I die my family will get one of those big payouts so that'll be nice for them.

Is everyone in a field HQ still hoarding printer ink?

>>22947283

I was wondering about your opinion on the Nat. Guard being deployed to fight overseas and your opinion on the Nat. Guard in general.

>>22948449
Marines can go to Ranger school? Or is there a Marine equivalent?

>>22948327
well... that is a pretty grand level subversive plot. If you read through my posts here, you can pretty plainly see that I'm not a huge fan of it. If you didn't, well, cheers.

here is a nice quote though, about all that potential.
A young man who does not have what it takes to perform military service is not likely to have what it takes to make a living. Today's military rejects include tomorrow's hard-core unemployed. -JFK