>>22103916
Heresy! Why are there no replies? Bump.

Wow... Just one person? I think that might be a new low. Then again, it IS Christmastime...

I'll leave this thread up for another half hour. If no-one else shows by then... Well, we'll see.

>>22104817
Well you got a second anon here now...havent been on your previous Civ threads tough (this will be the first tbqh) reading previous one to know 1/49 of whats going on

I'm a new guy, hoping to join. Read up to part 25 or so before I got bored and wanted to play.

Also, I had a hard time finding the thread for some reason.

>>22103916
And now I've probably missed it. Le sigh.

Well, assuming you two anons are still here, we've got three, maybe. Its still slightly within that half hour time frame.

But I am slightly surprised the regulars arent here yet.

:(

>>22105124
Strange, isn't it? two anons, both fairly new (i participated until the river spirit first showed up). No regulars.

>>22105187
I'm a regular, actually. If this takes off tonight, which doesnt look likely, you'll have two new guys and me, which isnt much better, haha.

Heya. Anyone still here?

>>22105208
... Jesus, when did this quest get 49 parts? Last i checked it had only 7... Looks like i got some archive crawling to do.

>>22105270
Still here, Glad to have another regular, but its not looking so good tonight.

>>22105286
>>22104933
>>22104860
Welcoming the new or not-so-new anons. Enjoy your stay (if this takes off tonight).
And speaking of too-long-to-read archives: Wasn't there somebody that planned on writing a summary on the first 20-odd threads?

>>22105298
Hey Josh. Yea, hoping for the best. If only I hadn't fallen asleep earlier.

Heya :)

>>22105344
Yeah, I took a nap myself after my double shift today. These things just happen, I suppose.

>>22105370
Hey Bull. Welcome back.

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> HELL YEAH! PEOPLE! WOO!
The Lion Tribe's broken band finally reforms once it crosses the bridge, coming into the comforting bulk of the main warband. Mikuhla and the Earthsplitters are making their way back to the bridge however, when the priest has another sudden bad feeling. He begins to chant the prayer to Ermetha for protection, but realises too late the magic's true target! Having realised that Mikuhla is protected, the Sun People target the Earthsplitters, nine of them being blasted by the explosion of solar power and falling dead. Despite the blinding flash and the confusion it brings, the Earthsplitters manage to complete their retreat before they are fired upon again, making it back across the river.

The camp is set and night soon follows on the heels of the bloody day.

> I believe the plan was to stage a night attack. In that case, within the next 30 mins, I would like you to discuss your plans for such an attack and post them here, in a final form, when asked at the time limit. Please keep ALL relevant discussion here... The thread seems so lonely without it...

Rush them.

And by that, I mean wait till dusk and start getting everything across the river. Then just march up to the walls and shoot arrows and build whatever makeshift ladders we can, and get over the wall. No bullshit prayers, no complex tactics. Form line. Infantry in front, archers in back.

>>22105450

Once over the walls, a unit is to make it up the shrine and hold it, while the others do whatever.

>>22105460
Good idea.
>>22105450
How about we have most of our guys assault one side / the gate and have the lions toss all their fire pots at the other side of the wall / some over it, to get the enemy confused and occupied?

Although I agree on not making it too complex.

>>22105489

That's good, except they have to be careful and not go over-board. We can't burn their food supplies, or this whole little war will be the death of us.

>>22105489

I agree with this.

>>22105396
Not that we've made camp and setup some defenses, my suggestion is to fix up any wounded we currently have and make plans for the siege.

Their magic covers a pretty good sized area but not an entire hex, I suggest once on the other side of the river we march at the city with our people spread out. That way we'll minimize casualties from that magic and archers, I believe, since they tend to want to keep us at range and a bunch of smaller targets are harder to hit than bigger ones.

As we approach the walls themselves we form back up under the (I swear its very minor) assumption that they wont use magic near their own walls. Archers keep up fire on the walls as our rams get to work. One on the gate and the other not too far from it along the wall.

If I may make one other suggestion. Those Rams are important and I would request that one of them be folded into Mickeys group. Specifically the one that hits the gate. The longer we can keep is hitting that door and not suffering near instant death the better.

As for the marching order, Mickey in the middle with Gerin next to him holding the gift of the Gods up high as a boon to morale during this advance.

I believe we also wanted the lion tribe to use their fire pots on one section of the walls to create a distraction while we started our rams to work, assuming they have the pots.

The wont be lit until they already know we're there so it wont make much of a difference to the stealth of it all.

>>22105450
Are we crossing on rafts? Could these be used as makeshift shields for several men or maybe even ladders-ramps to easen the siege?

>>22105538
This was posted last thread, seemed like a decent enough idea.

>>22105543

Apparently we are all crossing over the bridge. All my attempts to find some other way previously were resisted. There is no wood around to make rafts.

Basically here is the summary:

>our forces are shit
>we think we outnumber them
>if we dont, we are fucked
>people back home are starving, so we have to do this quick

All or nothing sort of deal.

>>22105528
Yea, that's why they should toss most of it onto the walls directly.
Although, going over board and the lions... we know how that will end. Also I'm guessing their food supply is somewhere in the back, maybe in the big hall building.

>>22105543
We got no rafts. It's crossing by foot (river is only chest high) or the little bridge.

>>22105538
Seems pretty decent.

>>22105575
Fun times.

>>22105538
>>22105567

Yea, Ref's plan is ok for this one.

>>22105575
Pretty much, not the greatest of scenarios but we all voted on war. Too late now.

If you all want to just swarm them, then I'll go with that. For good or ill, we need to do something and get back home. Preferably good, of course.

>>22105538

Sounds reasonable, but maybe we can think of a better way to protect the rams?

>>22105603
Refs plan? Refs.... plan?

I originally suggested keeping the camp fires high so they wouldn't know what we were doing, but that would just backlight us and that wouldnt be good.

>>22105620

We have nothing - I think they are already covered. If not, one arm on the handle, one arm holding shield overhead, and into the meat-grinder they go.

>ib4 derrick took the shrine and is going to start smoking defenses but we won't be able to back him up on time

>>22105657

I assumed it was. Is it yours? If so, even better!

>>22105664
Now that you mention it, I really am beginning to wonder what Derrik is doing at this point. Hopefully something awesome and incredibly helpful.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Ok, then lets at least make a point out of attacking when the sun is in their eyes.

>Can we asume up is north in the maps?

>>22105707

Yes, but the sun is going to be far to west, and we can't risk attacking until it falls past the horizon. Plus we are attacking from the low ground, so it's not like it's going to magically blind them.

Aside from the current turn plan, we should really invest some time in coming up with another way to cross the river, the Sun people can. And they might use that against us by i.e. somehow destroying the bridge. It's always smart to have a backup plan for when shit hits the fan.

>>22105804

I think they had boats or some shit. We can leave someone to guard the bridge though. Not that we can spare the manpower, but they can hang out with the wounded. It could be a bridge party.

>>22105804
I totally expect for our camp to get hit while we're marching to the city. It cants be helped, honestly. We need every man we have to hit that village. The Carts and Shrines will have to look to the gods and the strength of their own arms tonight.

>>22105851

>2012
>bringing the fucking shrine carts
>after saying we wont ask for help

I know it wasn't your idea btw. Just overall, why.jpg

>>22105884
There's still the possibility the gods suddenly decide to have mercy on us during battle... The shrines might make for better channeling then.
I know you wanted to power through this without them...
Anybody wants to write up a more complete strategy post?

>>22105884
They do grant a lovely bonus, not going to lie. They're just entirely impractical. But they do also lend a bit of realism to the battle.

Supplies, man. Even without the shrines, the supply carts would be just as slow.

>>22105915

I think the only unanswered question is "how many men are we leaving with the wounded, if any?"

Other than that: >>22105538

>>22105967
Would be good to know how many wounded there are. Anyone got a count?
If it's not too many 5-10 at max. We need everybody.

>>22105915
I havent really got anything else to add or any ideas to spruce it up to be honest. At this point I just want to get The Two Week War over and done with, with the Long Fangs standing supreme over their fallen enemies.

TIME IS UP. You've had a little longer anyway.

Let's hear the final plan! If there is no conclusive plan, then the night will pass the warband by and you'll move on to tomorrow.

>>22106131

Plan: >>22105538

Leave 30 guys with the wounded and shrines, total. Aka no groups remain, just those who can't fight and 30 soldiers.

Josh / Ska / Anons - counter this quick if you disagree.

>>22106131
Leave 5 people to tend the wounded from whichever tribesmen warband is handling the ram.

And then pretty much >>22105538

>>22106187

Oh, those 30 guard the bridge, first and foremost. Our shittiest fighters, from our host. Lions / etc won't wanna stay anyway.

>>22105538
I think this was the consensus. Might be wrong and let the rest of the tribe decide it.

>>22106194
isn't*

>>22106187

Agreed

>>22106187
I'm okay with it. Although 30 guys? That really detracts from our dwindling forces...

>>22106187
>>22106195

Nope, thats good to me.

>>22105996
I'll second the post. It's the best idea we've got it seems. That damn bridge man... and those damn gods... hope Gerin's regrets not joining in the war, because this better be the last big battle we have for a long time.

>>22106235
*Groza
I am tired tonight

>>22106226

I don't want us losing the bridge. We will need to get supplies back over the river. Anything less than 30 and they are sure to just die. So it's either 30 or none as far as I can tell.

The 30 can try to force project - make fires, set up scarecrows, whatever. Make it seem like there is more of them.

Ok everyone, I'm here. I was asleep, but I have awoken to this thread.

>>22106267
I think Groza is our bro, to be honest. He may have made a show of literally tossing us a bone, but I think it might serve some other, greater purpose. Gods like their fun and all but meh. Just a personal opinion.

Plus Derrik is doing whatever. Thats two things right there that might, I stress might, turn our to be incredibly helpful.

>>22106289
Reasonable... Then I'm okay with it.

>>22106290
>An ancient evil has awoken.

>>22106290

Welcome back Refrek.

>>22105538
I put my support behind this plan. Except in addition we have Gerin use the spear of bone when possible to draw blood in an attempt to cully their favor.

>>22106290
Welcome Ref. You may have just arrived, but "your" plan is about to get used, lol.

It was so traumatizing. I keep hearing it in my head "Refs plan sounds good... refs plan... refs."

Would anyone mind me posting my idea for the plan? I support Josh's, but I would to make some amendments.

>>22106352
Throw it out, but I think Brit has already started his work on it.

Not that we've made camp and setup some defenses, my suggestion is to fix up any wounded we currently have and make plans for the siege.

Their magic covers a pretty good sized area but not an entire hex, I suggest once on the other side of the river we march at the city with our people spread out. That way we'll minimize casualties from that magic and archers, I believe, since they tend to want to keep us at range and a bunch of smaller targets are harder to hit than bigger ones.

As we approach the walls themselves we form back up under the (I swear its very minor) assumption that they wont use magic near their own walls. Archers keep up fire on the walls as our rams get to work. One on the gate and the other not too far from it along the wall.

If I may make one other suggestion. Those Rams are important and I would request that one of them be folded into Mickeys group. Specifically the one that hits the gate. The longer we can keep is hitting that door and not suffering near instant death the better.

As for the marching order, Mickey in the middle with Gerin next to him holding the gift of the Gods up high as a boon to morale during this advance. Gerin is to attempt to use the spear whenever he can in combat, but if it is too dangerous to use his sword instead, we can't have him dying for this gamble.

I believe we also wanted the lion tribe to use their fire pots on one section of the walls to create a distraction while we started our rams to work, assuming they have the pots.

The wont be lit until they already know we're there so it wont make much of a difference to the stealth of it all.

This is the plan, anything Derrik does will simply be extra.

>>22106368
I read over your plan... it was basically my plan minus Gerin doing his "soak the spear in blood" thing. So.... all in all... I just posted yours with an amendment.

>>22106290
>>22106334

Refrek, didn't you say you were going to run Company Civ today? I've almost lost hope.

>>22106384
Right on. To be honest, the taking of cities has never been my favorite part of warfare but I think as of now, this is our best bet.

"flashback to Stannis at Kings Landing*

I hope Tywin isnt here.

>>22106393
No, company civ is Wednesday Friday and Sunday. It's tomorrow you silly billy.

>>22106444
They're the bad guys, this isn't like game of thrones where everyone is shades of grey. We are the good guys, so we get the best heroes... or Britfag is just going to screw up over. Hopefully not.

>>22106452
I'll try and be there this time. Been kinda busy. What time is it again?

>>22106452
Oh... you mistyped in the last thread and said it will be on Tuesday.... and right afterwards you said it will be on Wednesday.
But I just focused on Tuesday.

Alright, see you there. Any chance that you will run it earlier this time?

>>22106523
>>22106486
I will try to get it up my 2pm PST.

Also, I am convinced the pic Britfag posted is Gerin. Britfag, I am so FUCKING READY!

>>22106691
The suspense is killing me

>>22106187
Alright then. THIS is the new organisation for the night battle

1. Tribesman Band
50
All of Groza's devouts
Gerin, Sallina

2. Tribesman Band
60
Hunters
Mikuhla
Siege Rams

3. Tribesman Band
59
Hunters
Trym

4. Tribesman band
70
Hunters
Derrik

7. Shine Cart
20
Groza

8. Shrine Cart
20
Ermetha

9. Supply Cart
30

10. Supply Cart
30

L1. Tribesman Band - Lion Tribe
39
Fire Slings

E1. Tribesman Band - Earthsplitters
26
Chief


> The Supply carts and their escort will stay behind, as will the Earthsplitters. Are you sure this is the configuration you want?
> Y/N

>>22106703
Y

>>22106703
Yes... also I notice you put Derrik in the hunter band. Does that mean he has returned?

>>22106703
Yup.

>>22106703

Won't the escorts be more than 30 men? And we were arguing over just 30.

>>22106742
Ooops! Nope! In fact, no-one has seen Derrik for quite some time... Though there is the occasional wolf howl in the distance... Answered by one much closer to the camp...

>>22106844
Dammit... Britfag, you make me sad, you make me a sad panda. Oh well... also if you should use that idea I had. The second we breech the walls we see a woman in all black walking down the center road of their city, she begins speaking and her voice is much loader than it should be. Turns out she is actually their moon goddess and she has come to wipe out our forces before we reach the shrine. She holds out her hand and a ball of darkness forms in her palm.

When out of FUCKING NO WHERE a giant spear crashes down from the heavens and strikes where she was, kicking up dust. When the dust settles Groza is there grappling with her. The two of them begin to fight as we charge forward meeting the sun people in combat.

Also we hear the howl of the wolves or something and they come through the gap as well.

>>22106911
That would be pretty epic, not going to lie.

Or the spear could possibly be used so Gerin could just fight their moon goddess if such an event were to occur. That one seems more likely to me out of the two possible scenarios but eh.

>>22106911
>Groza is there grappling with her.
Yea, I'd like to see something like that as well. Some nice spirit on spirit or man on spirit showdown to break enemy morale.

>>22107021
Gerin charges forward with the spear of bone, the material flows like liquid over Gerin's hand and up his arm. For a moment he screams, and blood flows round this new spear, staining it red, but only briefly. The substance drips down, forming an edge, now stained red with Gerin's blood. His body spasms, muscles shaking under the strain, they grow even larger than they were, his pupils lengthening horizontally to something approaching a goat's. He squats for a moment, gaining traction to leap forward, the stone under him cracks with the pressure when he leaps, tearing up chunks of the road.

The new Gerin Bone Scythe attacks the moon goddess and the two begin to fight, clashing hard enough to send shockwaves toppling buildings. The moon goddess is shocked a mortal can fight her this close to her god's ground (where the film to the spirit realm is thin and them their most powerful). It'd be awesome, Derrik could come and help to, The Longest Fang, the Scythe of Bone, alongside the White Wolf of our people.

>>22107136
It was all gold, until you mentioned his goat eyes. I lol'ed right there.

>>22106911
You wish. The gods are... But that would be telling.

>>22106703
The Warband forms up and is ready to move as the sliver of a crescent moon reaches its zenith. Derrik's leaderles band, having suffered the least during the day, leads the crossing of the bridge. (Due to the thin bridge, every unit crossing stops before it on its turn, regardless of remaining movement, then is in the hex on the opposite bank the following turn). After them are Mikuhla's band, now with the rams and Gerin's band beside them, the priest chanting lowly, holding the bone spear, Ya'jal, above his head. On their left flank, the shrine carts have moved up, ready to cross. The Earthsplitters, ravaged and wounded as they are, stay behind with the supply carts, while the Lion Tribe's warriors plan to head downstream and attempt to ford the river, before using their deadly fire slings on the enemy walls.

> Any changes to the plan? You have 30 minutes to register them. If not, turns will go on until the warband is across, interrupted only if the enemy acts.

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>>22107205
Derp... Forgot the map.

>>22107191
I always thought horizontally slit eyes were cool. And I find goat's eyes creepy as fuck, so there is that. After the battle when the spear releases him (now the spear is stained with blood and has Gerin's named burned into the hilt in the language of the tribe) the new slit eyes could be the only thing that shows the transformation.

>>22107205
Nope, everything looks good to me. Stay the course.

>>22107136
Sounds kinda cool, but too anime for me:
>clashing hard enough to send shockwaves toppling buildings


Oh well
>opinions

>>22107205
Sounds fine by me.

Im out guys, going to get some sleep. Alarm clock goes off in about 6 hours or so...
Good night!

>>22107205
I've got no suggestions. I'm sure V wants to say something. This is usually his time to shine, haha.

>>22107311
Wut do you not do the animu?

>>22107394
It doesn't seem like there are a lot of tactics to discuss since nothing really has happened yet. I just need to say we can't overreact to what ever happens. Last time we did that it broke out entire advance. We need to keep with out plan and only react in smaller more planned ways. We should designate one unit as our "change" unit who can deviate from the plan depending on events. I vote Derrik's with be the "change" unit.

Also, Britfag, is it a full moon?

>>22107669
Waxing crescent. And its probably too late to do that now, to be honest.

>>22107723
I know, we don't officially designate it, but in this thread we agree that we are not going to order anyone out of position except Derrik's force if it comes down to it.

>>22107762
Hopefully it doesnt come down to that, but I do see your point. No more overreacting to things. Thats why we're in a pickle right now as it is. I got your point and all, I just wasnt sure if you wanted to designate it in the game after we've already started moving.

Once inside the walls, is there a plan? A main target?

>>22107818
Yeah, fight, fight and fight until there is nothing left to fight.

But seriously, getting past the walls is going to be the hardest part I imagine. Anything after that, well, lets cross that bridge when we come to it.

>>22107837
I was thinking of maybe going for their shrines vs going for whichever high ground archers are pelting us from

>>22107837
Our main target is their shrine, we need to capture their priesthood and decommission that disk so it can't be used against us. Next is the largest building, if their leader isn't a priest then the leader should be either on the front lines or in the big house. if it is a priest we've taken care of him, if it's a warrior he'd likely be dead, so the big house is the last option. After that we need to secure their store houses, with those three things the occupation is complete. The people of the village, the non combatants, are not to be harmed. With most of the Lion Tribe being gone that shouldn't be a problem, as they were the most likely to do so.

>>22107937
We could also try to take hostages, to try and "convince" the enemy to stop fighting. Although if the kids try to attack us and we'd have to hurt them... that would be horrible.

>>22107394
Not for some years by now

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>>22107669
Anime's well and good, but there's a time and a place man. And no, I said that it's a crescent moon. Waxing Crescent in fact.

>>22107205
The Lion Tribe head downstream and ford the river, however crossing the deep, strong-flowing river in nearly pitch-darkness is difficult and four of them lose their footing. No-one even hears them vanish as they are swept away by the river.

Meanwhile, the warband slowly crosses the bridge, forming up on the far side. For a while, it looks as though their crossing at night has gone un-noticed, but then... Mikuhla and Gerin have the same bad feeling as before. Mikuhla intones a prayer, Gerin shouts a warning... There is a brief, tiny pulse of light at the top of the crag and in response, Derrik's band is engulfed in a bright blaze of blinding light, even more dazzling for the darkness all around! No less than eleven men and women drop dead, their bodies blasted, burned and ravaged by the magic!

> Reaction? Or should the plan to assault the walls go ahead as planned? It doesn't look like Mikuhla can protect any more than his own unit.

>>22108025
We will be taking hostages in order to have a better place in negotiations. We need to get these people to sign the concord, and leave enough alive so they don't completely hate us for all eternity and we can force them to teach us their tech.

>>22108064
No choice, continue the assault. We need to make double-time to their walls, they won't do it once we get there for risk of setting their own place on fire. There is no reaction we can take really. Derrik's group will have to be our damage sponge for now. We can collect the wounded later, hopefully not everyone is dead.

>>22108064
there is nothing we can do but continue our assault. Surprise is gone now and that sucks but such was our gamble. We'll take our retribution in blood when those walls falls.

And hopefully, they cant fire that thing off every. single. turn. Magic has its limits, lets hope they are just about at theirs.

As a side note: Tribal shock and awe. We've been shocked, we've been awed. Now lets tear their throats out.

>>22108143
Yeah, hopefully it's a once every few minutes thing. Or at least them only being able to shoot twice before we hit the wall.

>>22108353
Here's to hoping. C'mon limits to magic, you usually hinder but now you have the opportunity to help.

I just hope they havent been stacking mana regen or potions.

THIS is why refrek wanted to learn how to eat gods some 20 threads ago

>>22108484
If it is rapid fire then we need to cheat to win. We need to do something so insane and unexpected that britfag rewards us for cheer audacity.

Rolled 40

>>22108564

Rollin' for success!

"Gerin realized that something drastic needed to be done, without warning he picks up Mickey and throws him with all his might into the air. Within an instant Mickey realizes the plan, up so high as he is, Mickey sees his Goddess Ermetha. For a moment she looks shocked but things quickly heat up from there. Before long the battle below is forgotten and the magic being used to defend the Sun Village is lost. From there, the village is quickly taken by the Long Fangs and food magically appears back in their home village."

>>22108675
40? Maaaan. That's not good.

Well, I tried.

> And this is where you either abandon the thread in disgust... Or I find out who's really here because they meant what they said about liking hardcore mode...

Derrik's leaderless unit is blinded and stunned by the glare of light in their eyes and waste a turn desperately blinking spots out of their vision and trying to get their night vision back as Gerin and Mikuhla's bands hurry past them, charging for the walls. Now they have been discovered, their only option is a swift and decisive victory! As they surge forward though, a great roar is heard from the village. Almost as though the light was a signal, torches are lit all along the tops of the walls, revealing scores of archers! Though there are only a few score present now, others, roused from their beds, hurry up to join their comrades even now! Luckily, Mikuhla and Gerin seem to be just out of their range, for now. To make matters worse however, swinging around from behind the hills comes another band of Sun People tribesmen, two and a half score strong, who were lying in wait in the gloom! They must have snuck out in the darkness before the attack!

Meanwhile, the Lion Tribe run into troubles of their own. Another band of Sun People sweep down out of the hills, charging with a savage war-cry! The sudden attack leaves 17 Lion warriors dead, but the fierce marauders give as good as they get, cutting down eight Sun People, despite their surprise.

> Wat do?

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>>22108717
...MAP! Dammit, why do I keep forgetting this?

>>22108717
>> Wat do?
Cry.

leave thread in disgust

Then return. Let the Lions carry on and have everyone outside the arrows range turn and face the hill's suns

>>22108717
I cant be disgusted at something I knew was going to happen. The Lions are tied down fighting a vicious melee, I'm sure. Another part of our line is about to get the same treatment. Everybody else, continue on.

If we must die today, let it be a glorious battle that the Gods will be proud of. A battle that they know we fought for them and theirs. Right or wrong, we did their for their glory and we will not falter now.

>>22108820
Honestly, if we react to this new threat on our side we'll lose momentum. All we can hope is that our unit that just crossed the river will slam into them while the other two about to cross eventually come up and support the assault.

Like I said, just continue on. Its too late to alter the plan without massive confusion.

>>22108852
This. Lets move on Brit, we are keeping calm and carrying on.

I also hope that food and rest we gave the Lions keep them fighting hard and giving back as much as they get before dying to the last man or making a break for it.

I imagine after that charge the Sun people have lost some momentum and they probably arent trained much better than we are. Here is to hoping skill and courage can hold off numbers and surprise.

>>22108717
We need to get to their walls, they can't shoot at us once we are against the city walls. We need to get there and start breaking down that gate. We have to have the rest of our troops not deal with the new band, but keep heading for the wall. We can exchange some blows, but the main advance must be kept.

Also, right now we are pretty fucked. The odds are stacked against us, and the strange thing being. We know they have 400-500 citizens.

So far we have seen 350 (three 50-60 man bands, and four archer groups) warriors...

Britfag, I need to ask, the fuck are with these numbers? Just how many of these people are ready for combat, because the percentage they have seems a tad high. Unless they have allies from outside their village as well.

>>22109008
Also, that group of lines who ran off. I assume not all of them died, at least not without killing a few sun folk.

>>22109037
Well, we don't really know how many they have in their archer groups. Could be groups of 20 for all we know.

>>22109008
The Lion people diserve a fucking raise

>>22109037
And that is an interesting question! Think about it like this, Refrek, my old pal... You trained every member of the tribe in basic combat, didn't you? What makes you think they didn't do the same? Further, you only brought a proportion of your overall strength, to face the entirety of their people, who as far as they know, are fighting for their very survival and that of their friends and families too. Why wouldn't every living soul able to hold a weapon be arrayed against you?

Now you see why combat way back in the early days of mankind was fought on such a small scale! No-one had the numbers to really absorb losses, like in a big battle like this!

>>22109037
Probably allies. We arent the only ones with friends, I'm sure.

Even then, we are attacking their village so pretty much every able bodied person in that place is going to be up on them walls.

That much was a given before we even set out. We knew this was going to be a siege deal.

>>22109103
Damn you and your minute advantage, Britfag. Plus your use of extra words to say the same thing, haha.

>>22109049
Wouldn't it be lovely, if, you know, those Lions came back and slammed into the rear of those sun folks attacking from the shrine? That would be lovely indeed.

unless they are all dead after some trap was sprung upon then.

>>22109177
Even if they did show up, it's highly unlikely they'd be in any fit state to fight. They spent the day chasing a fleeing unit off the field. No-one wants to fight after that, particularly at night.

> Alright, what's the plan? Chop chop people!

>>22109103
I know, but their army at the moment nearly unnumbered their entire population. Even with every able bodies man and women with a weapon in their hands there should still be a portion of children and elderly unfit for combat, and a priesthood and those few who do not go to war.

I'm just saying the numbers seem a tad high, unless we underestimated their population and it's over 500.

>>22109264
The plan is to simply continue the assault and make for the walls. We can't be stuck in no man's land fighting their forces where their arrows can get at us. We ignore the enemy for now and just make a beeline for the wall.

Also, I have an idea of what to do with Gerin if enemy proves to be too powerful, a plan so insane that you have to reward us for sheer audacity.

>>22109267
Face it bro... Your intel was sketchy at best (plus I miiiight have had to fudge the numbers after I screwed up YOUR population growth...) Mikuhla might have only been counting those fit and able. Besides, who says priests and the like don't fight? You haven't even got specialisation in a population YOUR size yet!

> Aaaand what's the plan? Time's up!

>>22109329
>> Aaaand what's the plan? Time's up!
Sit in the corner and cry...

Continue the assault. Can only get worse from here.

Anybody else in the mood to simply run away and at least keep some of us alive?

>>22109329
Like we said, continue the original plan, make an assault on the wall.

Also, I thought the priests were busy running the sun cannon and so couldn't fight.

>>22109366
They'd follow us back to our village, then the situation would be reversed. With how the food situation is that'd only cause us all to stave and die. If we don't win this we lose the entire game, it's all or nothing.

>>22109329
What time is it in Britain?

In regards to the Lion group that ran off, well, even just showing up would be helpful. Cause some confusion.

And, take this as no disrespect, but the Sun People modifier must be crazy. No matter what we do, we are wrong. I understand they have all the advantages, but there is no logical reason why we should be eating as much ass as we currently are on everything we do.

I enjoy this thread and that hasnt changed, but sweet mother of mercy are we getting raped in every which way by whatever you're using to figure these things out.

>>22109595
Yeah, and the gods saying "nope, no help" and one of our heroes disappearing. Them getting a sun cannon and having numbers comparable or larger than ours (which I still believe is odd when they should have elderly and children who can not fight). It honestly seems as if we have no right decisions to make, just a lot of wrong ones. Our only course it to try and pick the least wrong.

>>22109637
I have no problem with any of these things. I understand the reasoning behind the population issue and therefore their population. We talked ourselves out of having the support of the gods, I understand that too. These things I have no issue with.

Just the constantly getting bent over a table whenever we come to what sounds like a halfway decent decision in battle. Nobody bats a thousand, but nobody bats a 0 either.

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>>22109367
> Running the sun cannon
You call that 'not fighting'? Jesus, I'd hate to see what you call 'total war'!

>>22109289
In the dark of the night, the clash of arms and the screams of the dying rent the air! Moving forward to assault the walls, Gerin, Mikuhla and Derrik's band all come under fire from a hail of arrows from the walltops! Dozens drop, leaving Gerin's band down 16 warrios, Derrik's down 18 and Mikuhla, his band carrying the ram and thus targeted more heavily... Down by 36 warriors as arrows scythe into them, but the stalwart warriors refuse to break! Behind them, Trym Wolfsbane, hero of the Long Fangs, leads his warband into the enemy with a roar, his heroic presence spurring his followers to greater feats of valour! They cut down 16 of the enemy, in exchange for only five losses of their own. Sadly, the Lion Tribe are on the worse end of their battle and turn tail, fleeing as yet more of them are cut down, leaving only about a dozen remaining!

A solid BOOM echoes through the press at the gates to the Sun People village as Mikuhla's band slam their ram into the gates! Wood splinters and creaks, the fastenings threatening to break at just another solid hit! Even as they ready for another attack however, Mikuhla is suddenly struck by another sense of ominous dread and his eyes flick instinctively to the craggy mountaintop and the shrine upon it, hidden in the night.

> I am so sorry. My dice are never normally this good! They seem to want you folks dead!

>>22109686
their army* I meant to say.

>>22109686
Yeah I know we got ourselves into this mess, but I do not like the batting zero either. Every time w shave a good plan someone doesn't follow orders and fucks it up, or they have something ready to counter us. It feels like they are holding all the cards. I mean, I always thought we had a fairly good chance at winning, sure we'd take losses, but we'd eventually beat them. Now however I think we're basically screwed and are going to lose the battle. We're gonna die guys, lets just try and make sure we kill enough of them so that they can't come and brush our village afterwards.

>>22109691
now what?

>>22109691
Trust me you don't, total are in my opinion is turning the children into mindless drug filled psychopaths and releasing them as cannon fodder on the front lines. or lighting them on fire to use as distracters.

And great, we're down another 60 men. We're done for.

>>22109544
3:30AM. Which makes that the last post for the day!

>>22109505
Not necessarily. Keep in mind, if YOU sent a proportion of YOUR population, THEY would send a proportion of THEIRS. You've easily beaten off such odds before.

>>22109595
>>22109686
It's not the modifier... They're actually rolling the same as you. They're just rolling STUPIDLY well..! If I'm honest... In your position, I wouldn't have attacked. But that was your choice. I swear, I am rolling all of this fairly. I don't know why, but for some reason, lately, my normally horrible dice are rolling crazily well..!


Aaaaanyway, that's all for tonight, folks! Next time on Civilization Quest... Well one way or another, this fight's over next thread! Not only that, but the next thread is the super-special, once-in-a-lifetime, End-Of-The-World-As-We-Know-It special! ...Or failing that, a Last-Thread-Before- Christmas special...

Either way, be sure not to miss it! Start is at 1600EST sharp, same as always! I hope to see you all there and hope you have a great week until then!

>>22109726
I'd say if and when we lose the fight, we should try to torch their farms or their village... deal any damage possible.

Also we might just be able to fend them off, should they come within the next years. We still have the lions among us, even though they will probably bugger off.
Remember, we may not be able to take villages, but they probably wont be able to, as well.

>>22109691
Only ope option, we continue the assault. We have nothing to do besides that. We're down half our fighting force now, so there isn't a chance we are winning. We need to inflict as many losses as possible so they can't come back and attack our tribe in a few turns. We need to start thinking of how to prepare our defense for their assault.

>>22109726
Onward to destiny. We die here and we die well. I have no desire to start over with half our population dead or starving, our allies leaving and a hostile tribe of ridiculously lucky mega warriors.

Since the dice are determined to see us dead, you'd better write up an excellent ending Britfag.

Captcha: And Ciseares

Close enough to Caesar. C'mon, Battle of Alesia. We could use some of that luck.

>>22109777
See you next time, then Brit. And wipe that smug grin off your face!

Oh well, we got what we deserved pretty much...

>>22109777
Not at these rolls, they take out sixty men in a turn, we take out ten. We need to run, it's our only option. I only know of one safe place for us, and it sickens me to think it. We might have to ask the spray folk for help.

*shudders*

>>22109780
I just don't know, they seem to have bar far more tactical strength then ours and ten times the organization. Their men actually follow orders. At the moment we need to run, they know where we are. We need to pick up shop and get to somewhere they don't know of.

>>22109814
I don't see how you can say that. Our strategy was fairly good, but our men didn't follow orders where as theirs did. Brit said that they were undisciplined, but as of yet it does not seem that a single one of them failed to exact their orders. We need to find a way to cheat in order to win, or at least stop them from killing us.

>>22109860
We continue. I vote for that. We still havent seen Derrik. We still don't know what the spear does. Come hell or high water, we continue this siege until the bitter end.

And also when we lose, I will be free to spend my Tuesday and Thursday afternoon doing other slightly more productive things.

>>22109812
Before I go...

Losing one battle is NOT the end!

One battle is not the war. One disaster needn't be the end. Your tribe has come from nothing before and can come from nothing again. I said before and will say again; I will run this thread as long as people want to play it! That includes past any setbacks and disasters your tribe may face! You can re-build homes, re-plant fields, burn the dead and move on. If all else fails, you can always return to being nomads and ask that the tribe re-settles elsewhere. No-one ever went through life with no mistakes. Learn from yours and the Long Fangs can survive anything. Hell, even this situation may not be as bleak as you imagine it to be!

And on that optimistic note, I'll leave you for the evening. See you on Thursday!

>>22109889
I don't mean run from this battle. I mean how our villagers still at home abandon the cit and set up shop somewhere else. These guys are clearly far superior to us in power, we can't face them in open battle. The only thing protecting us was the fact they didn't know where we were, I have no idea how they managed to find our village though... unless someone told them where it was (giving more credence to the Derrik brain washing thing).

We need to abandon the village and move to somewhere else. Or maybe see if we can consolidate with the Earthsplitters. If we lose this battle their chieftain is going to die as well, they will be without a leader.

>>22109889
I say that because, well, our people are starving, the riverland concord is in ruins and they are unbeatable or at the very least ridiculously aware of everything we are going to be doing all the time.

I don't know how Britfag rolled our night attack but if he rolled a Sun People action on it, I'd be slightly mystified to the reasoning behind that.

Either way, it is what it is.

>>22109910
Yes, but this is enough of a setback to basically push us near back to what we started as. Our population less than half of what it was and all our heroes dead. We will be without leaders, without men, starving, and with enemies at our door steps. Our population at home is more than 50% women and children.

I can think of more bleak situations, but this is a city killer. We need to abandon our city and head down river if we lose this battle.

>>22109941
I agree, they seem far more organized and knowing than they should be.

>>22109880
We didn't think this through. Trying to take a fortified position without proper siege equipment, with no means of trying to starve them out, with not even 1.5 times their number of troops.
And then this horrible terrain working against us...
I say we deserve what comes to us, even if I went along all the way.

>>22109889
We can still rebuild, you know? We still have several hundred villagers...

>>22109910
I can agree with that. If we lose, I'm all for rebuilding. That will at least have bashed some sense into our skulls...

>>22109932
You're maybe too pessimistic. They probably wouldn't attack us for at least another year. Probably longer. They would need to gather supplies first, and they also can't spend all their people to eradicate us. Would be the same situation we are in right now.

>>22109954
Disagree. We still have technology and a fine village with fields. The children simply will have to work for their food. It will be some harsh years, but manageable.

>>22109941
The thread may not be over, I mean my participation in it will be. Everything Brit just wrote is true about this not being the end, but it took us this long to get this far, I have no desire to start over again.

Nearly 50 threads of trying to raise a farm and get bronze is just too many to go back on. Either way, I just hope it's well written.

>>22109954
Also, from horrible situations arise great heroes.

>>22109987
Again, no need to start all over. It'll be a setback by several years, yes. But population wise we'd have been set back quite a bit anyway, even if we won.


I won't turn my back on the thread. I will stay here. I subscribed for hardcore mode and I will go through with it.

>>22109984
We had more than their numbers. I made sure we brought five hundred men, more than the upper estimate of their entire population. The Britfag changed how many people they had to even up the numbers.

We brought siege equipment and were told there was a forest next to their mountain, I assume we could make siege rams out of that when the time came like Brit said... but no forest.

THey were supposed to have minimal bronze, they has been retconned and now they better armed than us.

It just seems a tad unfair to me. I agree with Josh, honestly I don't was to rebuild from the ashes. We worked so hard to get here, and if we all are doomed and have to start over.... *sigh*

I just really don't know.

>>22110027
Sorry, I didn't mean women and children. I meant elderly and children... as in non combat units. They'll outnumber us by a good margin.

>>22110027
Well said. And i'll be here too regardless. I cant stay mad at this thread, lol. I'm just severely pissed at Brits dice tonight.

I may well take a week off from the thread but past that? I'm like a crack addict and this thread is my supplier. I'll suck its dick every once in a while because it keeps me happy.

Thats right, I said that.

>>22110070
Also, no more nomad shit. We'll stay where we are and tough it out. If they come knocking, we'll return the favor for these shenanigans.

>>22110098
I don't think that is a good idea, they have an actual military structure (only way I can think they have men who follow orders constantly) and are better armed and more numerous than us. We need to run, it's the only way to ensure that our civilization doesn't die out.

>>22110050
Well yea, we had more, but not even 1.5 times of theirs, that's what I meant.
If people in siege situations have similar equipment, then numbers matter a lot. And even a basic wooden wall like this is a fortress, if all we have are some terribad rams. So we need lots of numbers.

I don't remember about the forest, so you might be right about that. Still, more rams wouldn't really do much. Better equipment would be more advantageous.

And yea about the bronze retcon... oh well.
Also we can't just always win. Admittedly, this loss will be horrible, but still.

>>22110065
They will fight as well, if it's about their survival. Just like the sun people population does right now.
Also, they have also sustained losses and won't be able to attack immediately. If they are smarter than us, they will keep to raiding instead.

>>22110070
Good boy. We're all cocksucking crack addicts in here. We're together in this.

>>22110098
Yea, nomading would throw us back even further than only losing pop. Let's turtle up and build a fortress instead, so this never happens again.

>>22110146
Then I suppose we should get to work on rerouting the river a bit to circle our village, get our farms working and get a form of leadership that allows us to beat our soldiers into shape.

Its going to suck ass, I dont deny that, but it can be done and packing up shop and moving our entire population will only result in more death.

>>22110146
I don't think they necessarily have a mil structure. They just assumed the path we'd take (which is obvious, given the terrain) and set their people to wait for the right moment. Also lucky dice.

We on the other hand, had to move, constantly adapt to new situations (which they didn't), had zealots like the suns and earths with us that just charged along, unexpected shit like their sun cannon (we didn't surprise them at all)... All without means of communication.
Doesn't seem to unreasonable to me, honestly.

>>22110173
That's what I like to hear.

>work on rerouting the river a bit to circle our village, get our farms working
Especially this. Would have loved to do that before the war already.

>>22110151
The children and elders aren't trained and are fail. They won't make a noticeable difference if they come knocking.

Also, from what made sense we should have had 1.5 times their numbers.

I took the upper estimate 500, took the percentage of our population that was elders and children (which is ~30) and send a number equal to that. Us plus the Lion Bros and Earthsplitters we should have had at least 1.5 times. It just seems as if all of the information we used to plan the assault was actually wrong, and so our plans weren't the correct kind.

I still think Derrik has something up his sleeve. And the spear may be worthless, but if we leave not we'll never know.

We still have a chance, a tiny one, but its a chance. Once we get those walls down, something might click.

We're going to lose more men either way, so lets just see what we've still got to bring to the table.

>>22110209
Well, if it's about life or death of the tribe, I think 100 bows more or less, even if untrained, WILL make a difference.

And yea, I'm not saying the situation is pretty, or even that I'm particularly happy with it, but scouting intel sucked ass. We couldn't even get a second scouting run done IIRC. ...

>>22110230
Yea... if we ran now, I bet 90% of our guys would be shot or cut down on the run. They are at the wall already, so running NOW of all times just means dieing without cutting suns down. And die they will either way.

>>22110173
I believe moving the village is the only way to prevent them from killing us all. I have one idea however. The Earthsplitters will be out a chieftain, he was their entire power structure. When our force doesn't come back let us extend and olive branch to them as we did with the Lion Lords. They will probably accept, and with all of us together maybe we can shore up the lines and have a large enough work force to build a defense structure around the village.

If we do die this day, we need to try and get our priests and leaders out of there. We can't have all our leaders dying. If we can manage fit we need to get the earth chieftain killed without appearing to. With him dead we'll be able to convince he tribe to come with us to the village.

>>22110187
The sun cannon was a tad dues ex machina in my opinion. Along with the earth and lions not listening to orders at all, they acted like idiots, which doesn't make sense. They aren't stupid. It just seems the odds were stacked against us unduly.

>>22110259
We tried as I recall. But Lions went kill crazy and raided their farms before we could gather any kind of intelligence. But what gets me is that we did specifically say to put scouts out around our marching army to defend against their scouts. Obviously that wouldnt have been 100% successful but better than the nothing we marched with.

>>22110259
It wasn't the scouting intel that was wrong. Mickey lived in their village for months, he should have had an accurate idea of their military strength and overall numbers. His intel begin wrong doesn't make any sense.

>>22110287
I wouldnt be surprised to find that the Lions hate us when we get back. We did sort of invite them to live in our starving village. As for the ES, well, eh. Not so much.

And it does seem unduly stacked, but it is what it is. All we can do is try to do the best we can do with what we have. Defenses and food, defenses and food. That's what we'll need and thats what we'll do.

>>22110289
We should have had detailed intel about everything in their tribe though. Mickey lived among them for months... he provided us with info on their numbers and tech. Unless from the beginning they were pulling the wool over his eyes his intel being wrong doesn't make sense.

>>22110335
True enough. Or at least some sort of disclaimer about evening up the population levels but screw it.

Also, next time we march to war, bring the Gods. All of them. Rain down ice storms, give our troops enhanced battle prowess, rivers that fish practically jump out of into our arms. Even Yeneth, while on our march she'll help us breed more Long Fangs with the native populations.

>>22110289
Yea, that's what I meant, the failed scouting. And yea, Brit forgets some things... We should push him to retcon in our favour next time, if something like that happens... We endured some very mean retcons already.

>>22110308
Oh right, I get you. Yea... that... is bad.

>>22110287
Yea, I say we should turtle, not go nomad. And we still have Rina... she could lead the village in a more peaceful way.

And sun cannon... kinda agree, but you don't know what we could have been capable of, perhaps, if we didn't ignore magic for so long? Still, fuck the sun cannon. And 90% agreed on the lions...

>>22110330
Yea, they won't be happy at all...

>>22110335
A tiny reason for the intel being false may be the time that passed. It took quite a while until we attacked them, so more people grew up...


So yea... wanted to say something else, but forgot.

>>22110366
Yes, we planned for the battle. Then their numbers and tech level were changed on us after we already had begun to march and couldn't go back. That is what I find very unfair, if we are given information Britfag should stick to it instead of changing numbers to give us a harder time.

>>22110385
The time between him coming back and us attacking was just over a year. That's not enough time for them to gain so much military strength. I also think britfag should have kept our numbers stable as well, his calculations were but but he shouldn't have just jumped us 300 hundred people. It causes to many problems because we weren't prepared to support them food wise or integrate them into the military.

>>22110447
As I said: a tiny reason...

And yea, the pop calculations are still a bit wonky. Though I guess it wouldn't also be too great if we took 12 ingame years to get some semi-adults to add to the tribe. Just sayan. It's definitely not perfect.

>>22110385
Sorry for the triple post, but just saying this as well. if I had thought Mickey's information could be wrong I would have brought at least another two hundred men to the offensive to ensure we outnumbered them at least two to one. I know raiding is the proper way, but they have the best possible defensive position (unpassable mountain on three sides and a laser cannon guarding their front) and we needed to crush them before they could do the same to us. Small raids would have simply been fried by the temple, and there was no other place to come at it from. This place was built for anti-raiding and only a large assault could overcome them. I know britfag said raiding was the way to go, but he build an enemy that was completely raid proof.

>>22110477
That's just the thing though, we don't have to wait twelve years. Since there are a large population there are constantly people maturing and coming of age. Except now, we will have a huge gap of adults, our population will be a huge percentage children and elders. We won't see proper population growth for at least a few dozen turns when our young kids shore up the working population numbers.

>>22110519
Well, I'd assume their laser cannon would have to be charged or something at least. So raids would still be viable, they can't keep it charged all the time. But yea, it's pretty much helms deep of the bronze age.

>>22110549
I know, i know... But remember, we started off with 30-50 people, none of which were preggo. Or wasn't it like that? Would have taken 10 times longer than it took us to get to the same population as today.
And yea, we will have problems, coming years... starvation might even help us get a more healthy adult/child ratio.

>>22110657
Starvation will worsen it, in times of low food adults give up their food so kids can live. We'll just see the problem worsen. And yes, the time scale is silly, but it still doesn't make sense for their numbers to jump so drastically. I understand that it was to shore them up for our numbers, but I would have preferred both ti simply stay stable instead of us getting a bunch of useless bodies and them getting a lot more soldiers.

>>22110657
And yeah, I know it requires being charged up, but really. No raiding party could make it past their walls before they could get off a few shots and get archers onto their wall. Their wall is also more advanced than ours by a long shot, it has a platform for archers to stand on and what not. They on a whole seem to have gone from on par with us for tech to pretty far above us.

>>22110767
Well... let the kids starve then?... We'll see how it pans out.
And yea, I get what you mean of course. Such is the life with a dominatrix GM.

>>22110787
I was more thinking of raiding / destroying their fields, killing farmers and stuff, not breaking into their village... we could still sneak in there, especially if somebody learns to fucking climb.

>>22110819
Well, not at the moment, we are in a hammer and anvil formation. We are pressed against their wall and their men are coming at us. We have to kill them before we can think about running.

>>22110943
I was talking about future raids. I know we're fucked right now, without divine intervention.

Alas, was a good chat here. I'm off for tonight. See you tomorrow, Ref.

Push on. Take the shrine. Hang out there. I dunno. Party it up.