>>21451889
Done in Manifest Eternity.
Various other series' I'm sure.

I don't think I've seen that anywhere, OP. Sounds pretty cool, though.

>>21451889
10/10 would play

>>21451889
This sounds amazing.

I had an idea similar to this years ago. But it was in GURPS.

Hah, I was just calculating something like this.

For the record, Decanter of Endless Water steam rockets are pretty fantastic. My back-of-the-envelope calculations say they should deliver only about 27 kN of thrust and an exhaust velocity of about 1450 m/s, but for a specific impulse of literally infinity and the ability to not have to carry your reaction mass (thereby making the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation cry), that's not too bad.

It also means that a single Decanter rocket would be enough to boost anything below 2.8 metric tons out of Earth's gravity well.

>>21454122
Anything below 2.8 metric tons?

How much does a Portable Hole weigh?

>>21454231
5 pounds, I think. Also, wouldn't a bag of holding be better for a payload?

>>21454268
Nah; Portable Holes hold about 280 cubic feet, while Bags of Holding hold 250 maximum. Bags of holding also weigh more; a portable hole might cost twice as much as a bag of holding of equivalent size, but it weighs twelve times less.

>>21454122
If you just shove the entire engine into an enveloping pit, you could theoretically have an infinite thrust per mass ratio.

mass of rocket ~ 5 lbs (2 kg) (stored inter-dimensionally)
Thrust =27 KN
Thrust to mass ratio: 13,500 N/Kg (PER engine stored in the enveloping pit.)

>>21454287
Well, I just did some calculations, and one Decanter Steam Engine could send up 343,250 cubic feet worth of space in portable holes.

That's more than ten times the entire pressurized volume of the ISS.

Speaking of bags of holding and portable holes, what about an orbital rocket that, after a certain length of time, releases it's payload in the upper atmosphere, thousands upon thousands of those "this is why engineers can't play DnD" portable hole into bag of holding rockets, it'd be expensive, sure. But damn would it eradicate /everything/. For those who don't know about an arrow, it's an arrow that inserts a rolled up portable hole into a bag of holding when it impacts a surface.

>>21454329
Well, it wouldn't actually /eradicate/ everything, just suck it into the astral plane.

It'd probably be cheaper just to drop Rods from God- big heavy metal rods that kill by the potential energy change.

...I wonder if there's an opposite spell to Feather Falling?

>>21454287
...It would also cost 24 million gold pieces.

>>21454354
Isn't there a spell that reverses another spell's desired effect? We could use that.

>>21454354
>...I wonder if there's an opposite spell to Feather Falling?
If there isn't, there should be.

>>21454381

I cast Meteor Stomp!

>Increase acceleration due to gravity to 98.1 m/s^2
>Drop rocks from space
>MURDER.

>>21454293
>Looks up "enveloping pit"
>like a portable hole, but 10*10*50
>I could fit an entire space station in there
>Launch an entire crewed space station with a single cheap-ish rocket

>>21454393
I want this. Badly.

>>21454381

Reverse Gravity

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/reverseGravity.htm

You know, I think Flesh-to-stone and Stone-to-flesh really is best used as a supercheap suspended-animation method. Two sixth-level spells, easily put into potions. Set up some kind of miniature Long Now clock to administer Stone to Flesh when suspension runs out.

Just point a relatively slow ship- it isn't even hard to build, since decanters mean we don't have to worry about refueling-, point it towards a nearby star, and set the ship to flip over when it's halfway there. Doesn't matter how long it takes; the ship's not pressurized, and vacuum doesn't hurt stone.

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>>21451889
>Dungeonpunk

>>21454506
Well, /normally/ dungeonpunk's horrible. This is dungeonpunk that's had some thought put into it.

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>>21454518
Dungeonpunk shouldn't even be a word. What the fuck does it even mean, punks rebelling against The Man for forcing them to do dungeon crawls or something?

>>21454541
Eh; if you've got a better and more widely-understood suffix for "this is a fantastical and/or anachronistic technological aesthetic based around this concept" I'd love to hear it.

No, really, I would. Usage of '-punk' in this manner makes my soul hurt.

>>21454506
>>21454518
>>21454541
>>21454567

Could we please not turn this into another "what-is-punk" wankery thread?

>>21454498

Good chance of something going horribly wrong though, likely need some golems or something making sure everything goes ok along the trip.

>>21454541

Generally means magic emulating technology exists in a fantasy setting.

So expect clap on magic lights, and spirit flamethrowers.

M:tV can be dungeon/Mage punk.

>>21454567

-powered.

>>21454577
Aand obviously somebody invents a stardrive that runs through the Plane of Negative Energy.

"where we're going, we don't need eyes to see..."

>>21454567
High Fantasy.
>>21454579
Bastardizing the term to fit your needs doesn't make it right.

How about this, an unlimited water decanter rocket filled with bags of holding, the bags of holding are secured to special holders that flip them inside out when over the target area, the bags are filled with lead bricks. The lead bricks are also enchanted with that opposite of feather fall spell. Can someone do the math on how much force this would exert with one bag of holding filled with lead bricks?

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>>21454591
Fuck sake /tg/, we have a nice wholesome thread about old-school happy colourful fantasy tech and you have to go and create The Warp.

You know though it would be really easy to place space stations with this stuff. I mean so long as you have all the calculations for the orbit right. Then set up some portal/teleportation thing between the stations and the ground. Ease of testing space ships right there, use golems and warforged due to the lack of air, or possibility of a lack of air during tests. Plus at this point you get to build your magic city in SPACE.

So, how would you handle the rest of one of these magical spaceships? We know how to propel them, and how to keep them light and spacious by use of extradimensional spaces...

but what about the rest? How's the air staying clean; how's it navigating, that sort of thing?

Could there maybe be a greenhouse lit by Perpetual Flame, or something? Or is there some other spell that's better suited for specifically cleaning out air?

Incidentally, Stone to Flesh has another use- when people are running low on fresh fats and proteins in their diets, grab an asteroid and cast StF on it. Instant fleshy meatmass!

>>21454602
High Fantasy is LotT, which isn't high magic.

Fighting orcs doesn't involve any magic in the setting.

>>21454684
Also, spacesuits are /really hard/, even with modern tech. I guess we could always go the SS13 route, and just wear a shiny suit and a corset while taking a fuckload of Stoneskin potions.

What's the spell that lets you breathe vacuum, b y the way? I know I saw it somewhere.

>>21454684
greenhouse lit by permanencied daylight spell. Produces food and air.

Fuck it. My next campaign, I'm launching the Greyhawk Air and Space Agency. Make it a central feature.

>>21454706

Technically though plants need time in shade(for sleep or something, scientists don't know we just know that a number of plants die if you don't let them have a night), so we need to rotate them through the growing area.

Also though if you are going to have air, just have a portal back through to the ground. No reason to have your space station cut off.

>>21454684
Air cleaning can be done with a pocket dimension filled with dense plant life (lit by a perpetual flame and watered by a endless flask or some such), or simply a zero width portal to the fey wild with a constant forced airflow using a elemental powered pump.

Navigation is a big more tricky, best way I can see it being done is the use of advanced fortune telling methods. A large (and I mean huge) future web at the front of every ship (A future web is a system of showing possible futures using dozens of strings connecting possible future events to each other in different orders) along with a scryer doing constant changes to the web in order to find out what they have already done in the future to get to their destination.

Space suits would be rather difficult, but basically all it needs is a small portal connecting the suit to the ship and a renewable air supply. Besides that all it needs is to be airtight, which can be done with that tech I believe. The heat could be regulated by dozens of tiny fire demons in small containers spaced throughout the suit. What kind of rubber like material could be used for the outside?

>>21454693
There are a lot of armor enchantments and spells that could make this easier though.
Endure Elements would protect you from temperature extremes
Resist Energy (cosmic radiation) for background radiation
After that you pretty much just need a breathing system.

>>21454803
Perhaps a gas mask type thing with a small portal to some plane that you stick your nose and mouth into.

>>21454803
>temperature extremes
>thinking you'll freeze to death in space
>2012
Nope.
In space, you lose heat VERY SLOWLY, due to the fact that there's nothing to carry the heat away from your body.
Now you WILL die from you blood boiling due to the lack of pressure, but freezing is bullshit and explosive decompression is uncertain, as nobody's ever decided to test it.

>>21454834
Fuck, left my name from the other thread.

Anyway, the mask thing allows autonomous walks without any umbilicals n shit. You could have a handheld decanter to steer with.

>>21454839
What about getting roasted alive?

>>21454839

You know temperature extremes could just mean heat, in varied quantities.

The catch is that once you get hard with your science, the fantasy is completely arbitrary. What do you allow? What don't you allow? And why not? I suppose I can accept "because I don't like X", but then why does your preference trump mine? Because you're the DM?

>>21454740
We cast it inside of a box. Every 16 hours a skeleton comes and closes the lid for 8-9 hours.

>>21454839
I was really thinking more the whole sun's glare with no atmosphere between you and it. Of course freezing in space isn't an issue, there's nowhere for the heat to go.

>>21454864
Ah.
Apologies then.
People thinking you'll freeze in space is a pet peeve of mine and I honestly let it get to me way too much.

>>21454803

What about pressure?

What kills you quickest in a vacuum isn't the cold or oxygen starvation, it's your blood boiling as a byproduct of the reduced pressure.

>>21454878
Not to worry, people horribly fucking up bits of science they should have learned by the time they were fourteen bother me too.

>>21454898
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html

Nope.

>>21454864
>>21454878
Now, you do radiate heat in space very slowly. It's mostly the space suit and ship/station coating that keeps all the heat in. Without a space suit it's quite possible to cool down to -270C provided you're in shade from nearby stars.

>>21454845
You're more likely to die from cancer in a few years due to exposure to X-ray's than you are a temp variation. Of course you'll probably die from suffocation long before that, but exposure to vaccuum isn't as bad as everyone once thought: 90 seconds of deep sea exposure is probably more dangerous than 90 seconds vaccuum exposure.

>>21454911

Damn someone got on the blood boil thing before me. Though reading through that article they never say anything about your eyes which is important(though not that important). You see with that change in pressure you would be blinded temporarily but your eyesight would return after a bit of time(10-30 seconds).

>>21454911

I stand corrected.

The more you learn.

>>21454918
Oops, forgot about that. The endure elements may have more application than I thought then.

>>21451889
OP You would enjoy Jack L Chalkers The Soul Rider series. Its hard science that is taken as fantasy. GReat stuff.

What you really need is that head bubble spell from some non-core book. First level spell, creates a bubble of air around your head. It might maintain pressure.

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>>21451889
This is my setting/book. Deals a lot with both the how(science) of magic and the why(metaphysics) of magic. I think its probably 6/10 at most right now, but I'm sure some editing could bump it up o 7.5/10, aka semi-classical narrative which creates a new subgenre of fanstasy. Kind of a mix between grimdark, SCIENCE, Dieselpunk. Also places all of this in the early Hellenic/Abrahmic philosophical "search for truth context, them proceeds to challenge those underlying conceits.

Would /Tg/ read? Or is this 2/10 nope.jpg material?

>>21453447
You, sir,.are a.gentleman of the finest tastes!

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Bampt

>>21455158
Go on...

>>21455264
All the more reason to shit in the urinal

>>21455514
>>>/pol/

>>21455503
Okay, so, imagine if there was a world where Angels have been slowly causing mortal beings to be apathetic, quiescent and obedient. Now, this is, in itself, a noble-sounding goal: everlasting peace. But it also comes at the cost of individuality, passions and may or may not end up causing an entropic event that would denature the very fabric of reality. Also, the commander of these Angels, Azrael, has taken a liking to the worship and adoration that the lesser beings have been heaping upon her since the Great Unification War a millenium ago, wherein the disparate principalities of Humanity united against the triple threat of Imperialistic, Xenophobic Elves, the slavering hordes of the undead and the MARTIAL HONOR KILL MAIM BURN NOMAD AM I Orc War-Hosts. Since HUmanity technically won that war, there has been a period of semi-peace, though espionage and brushfire wars abound. The leadership of the unified Human Empire of Liniana has long since become decadent and uninterested in actually working to protect and prosper the country, so alliances of smaller barons and the Knightly Orders are effectively the rulers in the Colonies (the lands conquered from the Orcs many years ago) and in the dangerous north-west provinces and borderlands (which sit just beyond the land of the dead, and thus require constant vigilance and a great deal of manpower to defend against). Additionally, it has recently been discovered that Vampire covens have been infiltrating Imperial government, gather vital information and directing Imperial policies in ways that benefit this dying races of predators.

Liniana is a vast and diverse land, maintaining many cultures. Orcs have been subsumed into the lower classes in the cities (sharecropper and day-laborers in the Colonies), and have been slowly accepted as a necessary, though distasteful, presence by humanity.
(cont)

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I like this idea. I will steal it wholesale for my group.

>>21451889
i have been thinking in a campaign like that, but more like a Modern Fantasy thread parody that fleshing out the physics, i have just in mind small fire elemental internal combustion engine, divination sphere and magic scroll instead of computers, golem and zombie implants, and a lot of dragon and vampire political backstabbing, all with a touch of Dragonmech combat and Shadowrun-esque social problems, also classism, as like, fighter weak and wizard op metaknowledge that leads to Magicracy. still, i like where this thread is going and will monitor it

Bump?

>>21459287
So basically, just ordinary steampunk with magic?

Wow, this entire thread and nobody has said Eberron?

You can totally play Eberron this way, particularly since as written it's a world that's just becoming a magi-science realm. It's awesome, and takes very little tweaking.

Darkspace.

Created by Rolemaster, and involves exactly what you speak of.

While Essence, Channeling, and Mentalism are all powerful, the ancient evils that ply space in their living star vessels and seen new biologicals to convert to their horrid technologies fear nothing more than purely Arcane magics.

Darkspace. Find it. Read it. Weep for all who are not of Dark Matter.

BUMP