Gilgamesh masquerading as Lancer?
Lancer being a bad enough dude to tell class restrictions to go fuck themselves?
Archer making excuses for getting his nuts rocked by a Gay Space Pirate?
The world may never know.

Anyway
>[ ] Train with Saber.
We aren't 'Ard enough yet.

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>>21393285

>Been waiting for this

[x] Train with Saber

Make sure to try out the moves we started using in that sparring session with Archer and try to emulate them further.

Time for training.

My guess is that he got Fraglrock by looting Bazett. After all its an actual object in the world and I doubt class restrictions keep him from picking it up and swinging it at people.

>>21393376

That's a possibility.

The thing is, it's also connected to his legend, so it could be something he has as a servant.

Excalibur still exists out there somewhere, in theory someone else could wield it. Saber would still have a copy as a Phantasm.

Hell, Lugh could also be summoned as a Saber, Berserker, or Rider and have it. In theory we could have four different servants with their own copies of the blade since it passed through several hands in legend, and still have the 'real' one with Bazett.

Assuming Bazett even summoned him, since Berserker's obviously not Herakles and Lancer's apparently working with Ilya. Normal assumptions will probably get us killed.

>>21393285
>Nobel Phantasm

I assume Dynamite would be either Anti-Army or Anti-World, depending on how much of it you used?

>>21393422
I'm not sure if Lugh could even be summoned. There's tales of him as a hero, but he's also considered a deity and I don't think you're allowed to summon gods.

If Lugh was summoned I'd be very scared of his dog Failinis.

>>21393285
[X] Train with Saber.

>>21393467

If Lugh was summoned, I would surrender immediately, and then pray he doesn't kill me out of hand for being in the same fight.

He's on the list of the top ten people I wouldn't want to fight in a Grail-War context.

Plus, Herc was a mortal made a god later and he was summoned. Lugh was technically a demi-god of mixed blood before becoming revered and going higher in the legends.

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[x] Train with Saber.

>>21393376
Fragarach's kinda wonky in its modern use. I mean...look at it. And then there's the fact that, according to the wiki, it's supposed to be one of the few remaining items unattached to a Heroic Spirit.

You're really just better off reading it yourself.
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fragarach

>>21393422
>Excalibur still exists out there somewhere
If by "still exists out there" you mean "returned to the Lady of the Lake" then, yeah.

>>21393285
>[×]Train with Saber.
Be sure to show her our (mimicked from Arxher) moves.

>>21393516
>Those powers

Oh shit son, thats some serious firepower.

>>21393499
Demi-gods are allowed, and Heracles ascending was something that happened after he burned himself to death on the funeral pyre so I think he slips around that bit.

As I said, I'm not sure if Lugh would be allowed, he kinda edges the line as he is seen as both mortal hero and god.

But it is right to be utterly terrified of him.

He would have more Noble Phantasms than he knew what to do with, at least 4 different spears, a very powerful sling stone, a sling rod that was the rainbow, Fragarach, a boat, a horse, a dog that could turn water into wine. And he was also damn good at combat and a master of dozens of other crafts and skills including sorcery, poetry, music, and smith.

>>21393563
Awesome weapon, though it does fall short against Assassin, Caster, Gilgamesh, maybe Emiya.

>>21393594
Oh, right, and Cu. Gay Bulge trumps Frag IIRC.

>>21393594
>maybe Emiya.
If he copied Fragarach, launched an attack with something else, then switched to Fragarach and struck against it with his copy, what would happen?

>>21393621
He does not trigger Frag's instant kill unless he uses his Reality Marble, and somehow I cannot see reversing casuality in a piece of reality owned by your opponent working out as cleanly as it should. He should be able to use Frag's instant kill against his opponent, but it is more likely to be not nearly as effective.

>>21393621
Frag and Copy-Frag would probably just nullify eachother.

Or destroy causality.

>>21393602
Fragarach vs Gay Bulge ends in a mutual kill.
>>21393621
I think, logically, it would come down to who can produce the most Fragarachs. It's like counterspell fights in Magic: the Gathering.

>>21393665
What about Frag versus Ea? Frag reverses causality, but more or less Ea attacks reality itself.

>>21393665
So Emiya wins by virtue of Unlimited Hax Works.

>>21393641
>He does not trigger Frag's instant kill unless he uses his Reality Marble
I don't see how UBW would qualify for Fragarach's trigger. It is not an attack, it just gives him access to the entirety of his collective armory.

>>21393694
It is his ultimate ability, and Frag's reversal only triggers in the event of the opponent using his ultimate ability, such as a Reality Marble or a Servant's Noble Phantasm.

>>21393285
>[ x] Train with Saber.


insert rocky balboa training montage music here

>>21393680
Fragarach makes fucks with causality such that the attack it is countering never occurs. In the case of Gilgamesh unleash Ea it would strike, and presumably kill, at a point before he actually makes the attack.

Shit's a headache, yo.

>>21393686
Not necessarily. It all depends on whether or not he has the energy to produce enough copies.

>>21393285
[X] Talk to Rin about Magic.

I know I'm getting outvoted, but we need to get to the point where Rin feeds us a gem so we can stop being the world's most terrible wizard.

>>21393733
On the other hand, what are the odds she could force him to use Ea? He only uses it very rarely, 4th Rider, 5th Saber, and very, very reluctantly against Shirou and Avenger.

>>21393285
When you train the body you should also train the mind. Strength is meaningless without the intelligence to use it.

In other words, we train with Saber AND talk to Rin about magic. At the same time.

>>21393702
I'm going by what I've learned from the wiki man and it says, verbatim:
>The condition for its use is that the opponent must use their strongest attack, and Fragarach must be used directly after the enemy's strike.
>strongest attack

I see Unlimited Blade Works as a support ability more than anything personally.

>>21393746
And therein lies probably the biggest weakness of Fragarach. It has very limited use - virtually none against Servants and other high-power entities - outside of them using their own trump card.

The simple fact is Gilgamesh would never use it against Bazett because he could just Gate of Babylon her to death.

>>21393773
>Fragarach is an "Ace-Killing Joker" and the "ultimate counter code" that responds to the "trump card" of the enemy, such as the Noble Phantasm of a Servant
>Against passive trump card abilities that are constantly activated, such as God Hand, it can be used against them at any time, and against an attack used by a mount, like Bellerophon, it kills the Pegasus rather than the rider.
>If used with the proper conditions with the "Answerer effect", it activates with as an A Rank attack after calling both out of its names. One major weakness is that it is useless against enemies without a special ability, such as an all rounded magus like Caster.

>Against passive trump card abilities (...) itcan be used against them at any time

Unlimited Blade Works being fully deployed is the requirement for Fragarach to counter Emiya. It is his Noble Phantasm as Archer, and his ultimate ability over all.

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>>21393285

>>21393812
I would disagree, It would be more like him pulling some trick he could only pull within UBW. UBW's deployment isn't an "Attack" you see. However, using an attack that can *only* be pulled off within UBW would count as Archer's "Ultimate Attack" and thus trigger Fragarach. So he only fucks himself if he goes balls out inside UBW.

>>21393742
I'm for this as well, as shirou actually needs to identify what his magic is *actually* fucking good for in order to "MY BODY IS MADE OF SWORDS!!!!".

>>21393812
>that are constantly activated
You left that bit out in your reasoning. The fact is I cannot see Unlimited Blade Works as being passive when Fragarach is concerned considering it must be activated for it to do anything other than record & store.

I think we just need to agree to disagree and leave it at that. We're obviously not going to convince one another and we're just wasting posts at this point. The only way we'll get a definite answer anyway is if someone were to ask Nasu about it and he deemed it worth answering.

>>21393932
I believe that UBW merely enhances his abilities, albeit to a massive degree.

>>21393988
Hence what I said. Only if he uses an attack he utterly *NEEDS* UBW in full deployment for will it cause Fragarach to trigger.

>>21393746
He used technically Ea against Shirou in UBW, but NOT Enuma Elish. Fragglerock wouldn't trigger against it as he used it in the final battle of UBW.

>>21394016
If Frag requires the user to use it after the opponent uses their ultimate ability, wouldn't Enuma Elish be immune to Frag, due to having already killed the opponent before they could use it, and thereby preventing Gilgamesh from being killed before he could use it on account of him having already used it to successfully kill the holder of Fragarach?

>>21394040
No.
Fragarach makes causality it's bitch. It's confusing as fuck.

>>21394056
I just wanted make that as confusing as possible.

>>21394040
>It would normally be that Fragarach would kill the enemy, and the opponent's attack would also simultaneously destroy Bazett. Despite being released afterward and no matter how fast the opposing attack is cast, Fragarach always strikes first by changing the flow of time to rewrite events so that it makes it own strike against the enemy before the opposing move was ever made in the course of the world. Rather than just rewriting events to gouge out the heart of the enemy, it is severing the fate of the combatants, reversing and changing the flow of destiny of both the user and enemy simultaneously killing each other with their attacks. The attack of the enemy, returned to a point where it "couldn't happen" due to the user being struck down by Fragarach, is wiped out by the laws of the world and the absolute system of time. No matter the power or speed of the ability, it is impossible to use if the enemy is defeated and has all of their later actions voided before they even have a chance to attack. It is an ability using one's life as bait to counter a one-turn-kill to win the battle that both kills the enemy and nullifies their attack, creating a perfect balance between offensive and defensive capabilities.

>>21394016
Correction, he did use Enuma Elish, but he held back on it a bit. He didn't go all out.

>>21394040
Frag essentially goes back in time and kills the enemy *RIGHT BEFORE* (like, milliseconds before) they would have launched the attack, thus preventing it from happening. It only goes ploin shaped if they use Gae Bolg (As you were pierced before the attack was even launched) or trying to kill someone who has a lifelink to you (as it would result in the paradox of "You are killed by Frag before you could use Frag).

>>21394071
>trying to kill someone who has a lifelink to you
When did that one come up?

>>21394071
I reread the scene after I posted that, just to be sure.

The words "Enuma Elish" are not spoken. Therefore, it's not Ea's strongest attack, and, thus, wouldn't trigger Fragarch's causality reversal.

>>21394089
Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA. One of the girls uses the assassin card to form a lifelink with Bazzet, thus keeping her from killing her period, even with Fragarach.

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>>21394133

Kirei-sama apparently tripped a ban filter, and accidentaly tricked AC-Guy, who was helping him behind the scenes, into tripping the same filter. After an argument that mostly consisted of AC-Guy demanding to know why he wasn't warned about the 'banned URL' error, Kirei-sama apparently Rage-quit and Told AC-Guy to run it. Assuming you're willing he'll post pastebins here via relay so you guys get to have your quest still.

>>21394225
Can they not into ban evasion?

Did Kirei-sama die?

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>>21394225
Fucking...
What the fuck, Kirei-sama?! Not cool man. Not cool. Getting one of my favorite quest-runners banned by not warning him you tripped the filter.

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>>21394225
that seriously sucks

>>21394225

He raged quit.

Well done. I guess AC-Guy will be doing this from now on?

>>21394225
That sounds good.

Fuck, we can use smoke-signals if necessary. The anticipation is killing me.

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>>21394225
Oh god I'm drowning in bullshit here.

>>21394225
I'm not part of this quest, just trying to clear up some misunderstandings about how Fragarach works. Still, what are Ban filters? Didn't even know one could get "auto banned" as it were.

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>>21394225
Best end achieved.

>>21394225
...And I thought Tripfag Drama didn't happen on /tg/.

>>21394225

So much for calling out the first thread OP when he does it himself.

>>21394312
Tripfag drama ALWAYS happens, you simpleton.

>>21394312
To be fair, AC-Guy only actually trips when it's relevant. He was posting anonymously in this very thread before Kirei-sama got him banned.

>>21394294
You have got to be kidding me. There are phrases and words you can put in that will give you in automatic ban. I think posting with Lanced Jack's trip will perma-ban you or something, and "butthurt" used to give you a warning on /v/, that would be followed by a ban if you tried it again.

>>21394249
I'm not sure about Kirei but AC-guy has an aversion to perma-ban

>>21394333
>"butthurt" used to give you a warning on /v/
Is that how the whole "use synonyms for butt and hurt instead of butthurt" thing got started?

>>21394354
Ask Kirei if he is coming back or if we should be rejoicing.

>>21394358
Yes.

>>21394333
Aye, but do they list these anywhere, or are we left to discover them through painful trial and error?

>>21394367

Fella apparently raged-quit off the irc.

I don't think hes coming back.

>>21394383
Painful trial and error, as far as i know.

>>21394383
You find them out by lurking and by being there when it happens.

>>21394383
Moot's logic is that if the list is known, then the list is meaningless. So no, you just hope you don't get banned.

Though I've been posting across seven boards for about three years now and never tripped it.

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>>21394388
Awww yiss. Dance thread?

>>21394405
So is it a perma-ban or is it like a short 1-2 day one?

>>21394420
Which one? The butthurt warning is gone, but as far as I know banned trips have not been purged, possibly ever. I could be wrong, though.

>>21394420
I'm the wrong guy to ask. I've never been banned for anything.

>>21394420
The three times i've tripped it, its been like two days.

And to this day, i still have no idea what mystical key-words were the culprit.

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>>21394388
KIREI-SAMA IF YOU'RE READING THIS YOU'RE A COWARD AND A FAG! YOU CALL OUT OP ON RUNNING AWAY BUT THEN YOU RAGEQUIT OVER SOMETHING SO FUCKING SIMPLE! SABER DOES NOT APPROVE OF YOUR COWARDICE!

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>>21394444

Hear hear

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>>21394442
Oye, I'm paranoid enough in this world as it is. Now you're telling me I have to be paranoid here on all of 4chan of all places? I know how to avoid being banned generally, they fucking tell me what I have to do to fuck up, but now I might get banned because of some shit I have no way of knowing!? Goddamnit, I hate this fucking world...

>>21394541
I've personally only tripped it once, and it was only a twenty-four hour ban. It expired five minutes later thanks to the nature of 4chan's ban timers.

Well that was damn fun while it lasted. Shame Kirei-sama caught a case of the fags.

Any other courageous folk want to try their hand at taking over?

>>21394444
Saber is a rotten cunt that shits on the memory of King Arthur.

I never realized that /tg/ liked type-moon.

>>21394642
>never realized that /tg/ liked type-moon.
Dude, we have Nasuverse threads (or threads that get derailed INTO Nasuverse threads) at LEAST once a month. Where have you been?

>>21394642
It's a well fleshed out fantasy setting.

Of COURSE /tg/ likes it.

>>21394615
The point is that I might make some logical, well thought out reply to some other post and get banned because I used some word in some order of some other words that I had no idea would get me banned... and be banned. I wouldn't be trolling, I'd just be trying to help a brother out, and I'd get banned for it. That just ain't right man, just ain't right...

>>21394637

Wasn't AC-Guy going to post using someone else as an intermediary?

>>21394658
I left for a year or two.

>>21394667
Just appeal it in the IRC.

>>21394672
That explains it. We had an influx of Nasuverse newfags thanks to the Fate/Zero anime adaptation and it's given the community of TMfags on /tg/ a real boost in numbers, making us large enough to justify having whole threads.

>>21394642
It's fleshed out to the hilt, it has awesome concepts, you could really see a tabletop of it being made (too bad nobody has yet to really get one out, but one day somebody will) and you want to play it. Yeah, we like it. We've even stated out a ton of servants. Take a look: http://pastebin.com/HnR52iV5.

>>21394698
We've been into the Nasuverse way before that anime came out. Where you been?

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>>21394444
Well, there is a chance AC-guy was in the wrong or it's somehow a misunderstanding, we don't know exactly what happened.

But failing said chance, Kirei a shit.

Saging for drama.

>>21394734
When they found out people were trying to play Melty Blood in filthy gaijin tournaments, they absolutely flipped their shit. I doubt they would want to make anything for us, and I am unsure if tabletop games are popular in Japan.

>>21394734
Point is the threads weren't anywhere NEAR as common before. Now we have them ALL THE TIME.
>>21394771
Pretty sure they flipped shit because the copies of it weren't legit.

>>21394782
They were totally fine with people playing the game in a tournament originally, and only when they found out that the tournament was being held in the US instead of Japan did they get mad. The validity of the copies being called into question may have been part of the reason, but as it was not sold out of Japan, the majority of copies would not be legitimate anyway.. I am unsure, but I believe that some other company, Capcom maybe, got involved in told them to get the fuck over it.

>>21394782
Actually, the full blown surge of FSN shit is relatively recent. Its been on and off for a while now, though.

>>21394771
Tabletop games are pretty damn popular, but from what I understand, they, well, encourage a kind of play that /tg/ in particular doesn't like. The whole SPESHUL SNOWFLAKE thing.

Ever heard of Record of Lodoss War, though? A Light Novel and later anime series, based on a D&D campaign the author participated in.

In fact, there was a big thing about a tabletop campaign that Nasu, Urobuchi, and Narita (author of Baccano! and Durarara) participated in that was supposed to be published online, called Red Dragon. I don't think anyone's tried to translate it.

>>21394861
>Record of Lodoss War
Also seen some video games based on it, actually.

>>21394771
Not that I know of, apparently polyhedral dice are a bitch to get there so it's hard to play D&D and most anything else that isn't entirely d6 alll day 'erryday.

>>21394782
Ok, this is one of the many reasons why copyrights are bullshit. Do you have any idea how hard it would be for practically ANYONE in the U.S. to get a quote unquote "legit" copy here without paying out their bleeding asshole? Sometimes, sometimes, a person "pirates" because they pretty much have to to get the goods they desire. I don't want to start a massive debate here, that's just one of my major points. It ain't like the local U.S. game store is going to stock a game that isn't even in fucking english you nips!

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>>21394883
Dude, I pirated my copy of F/SN. I pirated my copy of Tsukihime. I was simply questioning the "filthy gaijin tournament" comment.

>>21394883
>even in fucking english you nips
A lot of companies are not gonna sell out of Japan, especially the small ones that make visual novels. Type-Moon's success is still based on those visual novels, despite them having expanded a bit. In fact, I am not sure if they thought Extra sold well enough to convince them to send CCC.

>>21394903
>pirating VNs
I see no reason not to. The only non-Japanese I imagine actually paying for them are ones that understand the language well enough. The one time I've seen purchasing mentioned in the /vg/ thread was met with "lol pirate it dumbass".

>>21394903
Wasn't directed towards you my good sir, it was directed at those you acclaimed "flipped their shit". Fuck them, not you, you're cool as far I know.

>>21394924
You're implying Extra was all we've gotten from Type-Moon in English; we got Unlimited Codes, too. I doubt we'll be getting the Vita rerelease of Realta Nua, but hey, it's a start.

>>21394971
Honestly, I would prefer the Tsukihime re-release to Fate, since as far as I have heard all the changes to either were merely aesthetic.

>>21394946
Let me guess, Digital Love whatever?

>>21394971
>>21394946
>>21394924
Maybe we should put together a petition, run it around the tubes, get people to sign it, and shoot it their way.
>>21394981
>as far as I have heard all the changes to either were merely aesthetic
Sacchin route.

>>21394981
Really? Almost every discussion I've heard about the Tsukihime remake for YEARS have mentioned the fabled Satsuki route.

>>21394998
>>21395007
I totally forgot about that. Yeah, they should definitely send us Tsukihime. I will actually pay for it if they do.

>>21395007
Same. Always needed that Sacchin.
>>21394984
Not a clue. Never payed it more than passing attention.

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>>21395015
VNs never get English releases. Isn't is sad, Anon?

>>21395078
Not my fault they hate my government's money.

>>21395078
VNs never had wide exposure in the US. That might change in the near future, now that Katawa Shoujo is a thing.

>>21395078
That's why we have to pirate shit and make fan translations so that those of us who don't have the time and/or intelligence (mostly the latter not the former) to learn moonrunes can enjoy a good fucking story. Again I say, I hate this world...

>>21395126
>Derp I mean former not the latter. Most anyone can learn any language if only they had the time.

>>21395139
I have both the time and ability, but lack the motivation.

>>21395120
>That might change in the near future
Good god I fucking hope so. Hell, the format even combines well with other genres. Look at how Melty Blood combines VN and Fighting Game and works damn well doing it. Shit like that is awesome, and I'd LOVE to see more games do that.

>>21395171
BlazBlue does a bit of the VN/Fightan thing, too. Dunno about Guilty Gear. Never played it. Persona is pretty heavy on the VN elements, too. Us weeaboos can only hope.

>>21395208
Ar Tonelico is a nice series, if a bit easy.

So are we getting pastebin updates?

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>>21395208
>>21395215
Well yeah, I just used MB as my example because it's semi-related (dat Roast Beef).

Testing

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>>21395291
>Roast Beef
>Not Sion Eltnam Atlasia
Do you even calculate?

>>21395151
I only lack time. I have a job, and mouths to feed. If I had neither I'd be one hell of a translator/polyglot. Time, time is the most precious of resources. If only my Opportunity costs of my time weren't so high, If only I had more of it to spend...

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>>21395366

Look at these clowns. They can't even shoot pink lasers or onion rings of blood from their fingers.

Alright, here's the deal. Since Kirei threw his bitch-fit earlier I haven't been able to contact him.

However, based on the notes he sent me during the 'you run I quit' portion of his rant, apparently I was doing pretty much everything other than actually running.

If you guys want, here's the post(s) that got both of us banned, as well as a continuation of the quest: http://pastebin.com/kX2T6Mue

If you guys want me to run, I'm down. I wish I had more prep-time, but them's the shakes.

If you'd prefer Kirei to run, I'm not sure I can do anything about that. He might be dead soon due to Hurricane.

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>>21395393
And YOU don't even have an awesome catchphrase/finger-snap, so take that!

>>21395400
If you're up to running I'd love to see more of this.

>>21395393
but you don't have a pile-bunker cello

>>21395400

AC-Guy, you're they quest running /tg/ doesn't deserve but if you'll have us, we'll be glad to have you.

>>21395400
If you're up for it, I'm down with you running.

>>21395400
If you are down for it, then I vote we ask what she wants it for.

>>21395400
Have at it man. I've always enjoyed AC Quest anyway.

>He might be dead soon due to Hurricane.
Right. "Hurricane". Gotcha. You were here the entire time.

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>>21395400

Love you, AC-Guy

Also

[ ] Why do you want the grail

Lets get this show on the road!

>>21395466
>Implying AC-Guy wouldn't just sic Nowhere Man on him

>>21395468
I concur

[X] Why do you want the grail

Another for
>[x] Why do you want the Grail?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmHTASY6oKA

>>21395400
You're awesome.

A certain word that starts and ends with a "b" in the ninth paragraph struck me as one I don't think I've ever seen posted on 4chan, despite not being all that uncommon a word. Just a thought.

>Ask why she wants the grail

>>21395494
Legend tells that it is the most bitchin' pimp goblet of all time.

>>21395477
Hey man, an alibi's an alibi.

[x] Ask her why she wants the grail.
And, against my better judgement.
[x] Ask her who she is.

>>21395504
It's a shame the Grail-kun segments were only introduced in Season 3. They were great. Especially Kirei's.

>>21395507
The one ending in "rb"?

>>21395526
That's the one.

"So why do you want the Grail?" I ask, mostly to make conversation.

"Eh?"

"Why do you want the Grail?"

"I.... There was a mistake made in my lifetime." She responds. "I was entrusted a duty that should've gone to someone else, and my legend is only a legend of my failure." She sighs. "I care little for how the world chooses to remember me, but the people I let down were affected horribly. I would rather they set someone more worthy to the task, and not me."

"You want to undo what you did?"

"It was a task I thought I was equal to, due to circumstances. I fell short, and it was my own fault for grasping at more than I should've." She sighs. "In any case, nothing short of a device such as the Grail can aid me. If it can help, then it's my duty to seek it even beyond the grave to fulfill my oath. As I knight, I can do no less."

It occurs to me that Rin's taking a while to get back with the water and bandages. She may have gotten lost, since she apparently isn't used to this sort of layout for houses.

[ ] Go look for Rin.
[ ] Ask Saber who she is.
[ ] get back to sparring.

>>21395648
We really should go look for Rin, but go back to sparring. Little time, lots to do.

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>>21395648

Something might be wrong.

[x] Go look for Rin with Saber

>>21395648
[X] Go look for Rin.

PARANOIA HO!

>>21395648
Can we do [x]Other?

Because I want to debate Saber's wish.

>>21395709
I doubt she wants to get laughed at again.

>>21395648
>[ ] Go look for Rin.
>>21395709
We should probably get her respect a bit more before we point out that wishing to change the past is foolish.

>>21395648
[x] Go look for Rin with Saber
[x] Ask Saber who she is.
Blah blah bullshit plan better knowing who she is blah blah.

I really just want to get to the point of pointing out the foolishness of what she plans.

>>21395648
>[ ] Go look for Rin.
She might have gotten into a deadly confrontation with the DVD player again.

>>21395817
Oh no... did she find the porn?

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>>21395817
All that crazy technolobology nowadays I tell ya what.

>>21395837
Most people keep that kind of porn in hidden Truecrypt files.

>>21395837
Our cunning plan to hide our porn in plain sight fooled Taiga and Sakura, but Rin may be above such simple tricks.

We must assume the worst.

>>21395837
Oh god. As long as she didn't find the one we labeled "Spiderman".

Fuck me I'm late... really late. Let's see what Rin's up to.

>>21395863

Didn't miss much.

Just Kirei a shit

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>>21395848

You caught me.

>>21395862
Impossible! The guise was perfect!

"Tosaka should've been back by now."

"You think there's trouble?" Saber asks, suddenly tense.

"No, but she could've gotten lost or something." I respond with a sigh.

We look around for a few minutes, before finding Rin searching the pantry off all places.

"I thought you were looking for water and medicine?" I ask.

"I am. Water's clearly in the sink, but I couldn't find anything like herbs or alchemy ingredients. All I could find was a box in the cabinet by the bath with some bandages in it."

"There wasn't anything in the first-aid kit than regular bandages?" I respond surprised.

"Well, there was a couple kinds of pills and salves, but nothing for healing bruises and welts, just some antiseptic and such." She responds.

"Well, I'll save you some time then. I'm not an alchemist, and I'm not sure they make a magic-bruise healer to be sold in stores."

"Eh? Your teacher never taught you alchemy either?" Rin says, obviously surprised. "It seems like such an obvious thing, especially if you don't have much talent for other things."

"To be fair, I'm not sure he knew Alchemy. He seemed like a more 'hands on' kind of Magus." I respond.

"If your skills are so lacking, should I be teaching you?" She responds. "I mean, I'm not sure I can make up for such a lack in the time we have, but it's better than what you have now."

[ ] Sure (Train magecraft).
[ ] Later (Spar with saber).
[ ] Later (watch news).

>>21395848
Speaking of: I find it amusing that, if a magus wanted to do forbidden research, pretty much all that would be needed to avoid the Association's finding out would be the use of a computer and half-decent security on it.

>>21395884
Nothin' illegal about having TrueCrypt on your computer. In fact, I daresay that that is the point.

>>21395890
There should be time to learn proper magery later. We should keep practicing our ability to stab people while we have the chance.

>>21395870
I gathered, but the quest is being run by someone else now? I guess this is as good a time as any to post my objectives
Long Term:
[ ] Get Saber and Rin together romantically
[ ] Try to save Caster's Master because he's a bro
[ ] Save Ilya no matter the cost
[ ] Kill Kirei in the most badass way possible
Short Term
[ ] Take up smoking

>>21395890
>[ ] Sure (Train magecraft).
We need to stop being the world's worst wizard at some point. May as well get started.

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>>21395890

...My back is crawling. Thats the second time that option has turned up now. Ignoring it might be problematic.

[ ] Later (watch news)

>>21395890
[x] Sure (Train magecraft).

Whattaya mean you're not supposed to create a new circuit each time?

>>21395890
[X] Sure (Train magecraft).

"I know I know, I have the magical training of a potato. May as well learn what I can, we should probably focus on basic magical theory, circuits, and tracing/reinforcement."

>>21395890
We've already trained our physical prowess. Now for the magical! We must have a proper balance of skills.

>>21395906
I agree with these wholeheartedly.

>>21395906
>Take up smoking

I'm going to have to cast a vote against that. It's trivial, and it's not like I have a strong moral or ethical stance against it (both of my parents smoke, and smoked more than tobacco), I just don't feel it's in Shirou's character. Even if this isn't quite the Shirou from the VN.

>>21395906
You forgot Kiritsugu's old shit.

>>21395890
>[ ] Sure (Train magecraft).
Time to figure out that our Origin and Alignment are both Sword, which will let us sword harder than anyone has ever sworded before.
>>21395932
I think that may have been a joke about how we're already channeling dad big-time.

>>21395941
I just had a great idea. Sword bullets. Archer uses swords as arrows, so we should try to shrink them down as use them as bullets.

>>21395940
YES! THIS! We HAVE to see how much of Kiritsugu's old gear we can get our hands on. Should be useful for shutting down Kirei.

>>21395932
It won't damage his lungs at all and damn does it look cool. Besides what better time to pick up smoking than during the Holy Grail War.

It's also a good tactical decision, when anyone who knows Kiritsugu sees us smoking they're going to think we've started to channel our father, and they know how dangerous he was. It'll make them think twice. Besides we might get Ilya adorably trying to get us to quit smoking.

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>>21395962
Oh shit. A bullet that sprouts INTO a sword after leaving the barrel!

>>21395972

But just about everyone who was around in the previous grail war is dead.

>>21395972
>think we've started to channel our father
>think
Last thread we tried to reinforce a CAR in order to run over Berserker with it.
If that doesn't fit his "fuck what's traditional, I'm doing what works" attitude I don't know what would (other than just slotting Ilya next time she tries to loli-charm us, but we've already sworn to be the bestest best onii-chan ever, so killing her is right out).

>>21395982
Kirei.
Gil.
Both dangerous enemies.

>>21395982
They were not swordpeople who were made of swords, channelled sword magic via swords, lead a life according to swords, had a world made of swords, and contained a magic fairy sheath to heal any damage. With swords.

>>21395992
Correction: we used an exploding car to ourselves into a human missile.

It may not have been 100% intentional, but it was certainly effective.

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>>21395973
>FWOCKA-FWOCKA-FWOCKA-FWOCKA
Oh god! Gets me every time!

>>21395999

I stand horribly corrected.

Though Gil wouldn't give a shit and Kirei would just smile in that smug snake manner.

>>21395973

We did this in a D&D game. Except with trees. Modifications to tree feather tokens. Tie them to the end of an arrow, fire arrow. Add a bit of arcane archer for some True Strike and some other flavour and suddenly there's a fucking tree growing out of that dragon-riding wizard's chest.

I don't care how many fucking levels you are above me, a sixty foot tree slamming you into the ground from 100 feet up is gonna be the end of that arguement.

>>21396015
I said we TRIED.
Then when shit went bad we made our "I meant to do that" roll.
>>21396027
>Kirei would just smile in that smug snake manner.
Right before we shot his ass.

>>21395992
But not everyone knows that yet. We want anyone who has heard of the Magus Killer to know.

>>21395999
Kirei, Gil, Ilya knows about him and would have researched him, I wouldn't be surprised if Rin knew his name and exploits as he seems like the sort of person she research, Shinji might know if Zouken bothered telling him.

>>21396031
I honestly cannot think of an appropriate response to being shot with a tree other than "destroy the world," to be honest. Better have used a second one.

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>>21396031
My kind of players, anon.

"Sure." I say. "As is I'm a terrible Magus, and after I exploded yesterday and got drugged earlier, it might be a good idea to do something less physical." I answer, after considering the offer.

"Alright then." She says, and then takes saber to gather a few sticks nearby after making me take my shirt off so she could put salve on my bruises. I try not to think too hard about the traces of blush I saw on Rin's face, or the nod of approval Saber gave me. "Here." She says, handing me one. "If your main ability is structural, then try reinforcing some of these."

[DC 15 Magecraft Check]

Rolled 7

>>21396092
Are we using for roll or best of three?

Rolled 10

>>21396092
I am the bone of my dice

>>21396092

Fuck, I forgot like three commas. Must still be tired from Halloween.

>>21396066

The fucking things cost 400g. I don't think we went anywhere without buying the whatever city we passed through out of the damn things.

Watching the forces of evil come up with counters to that was a fucking treat.

Rolled 18

>>21396092
Maybe AC-Guy won't bring Armored Quest's dice luck with him.

Rolled 8

>>21396060
>Zouken
>Giving a fuck about Shinji

You funny.

Also rollan magecraft.

Rolled 4

>>21396092
MA-MA-MA-MAGIC!

Rolled 10

>>21396092
I am good at dice

Rolled 20

>>21396092

Rolling

>>21396097

Best of three. I see no reason to change it.

>>21396097
I mean first.

>>21396103
My standard response to ridiculous means of dying involves Rope Trick, Time Stop, a bag of holding, a portable hole, and an orb of annhilation.

>>21396104
Thank god for this fucker, the rest of us can't roll for shit.

>>21396104
K-K-K-YEAH

Rolled 18

>>21396104
We gonna reinforce the shit out of these sticks.

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>>21396131
TURN OFF YOUR DICE!

>>21396142
NO WE NEED MORE 18s!

>>21396142
M-my d-dice are rolling on their own!

>>21396092
>the traces of blush I saw on Rin's face, or the nod of approval Saber gave me
Give them the mana.

>>21396148

But he is depleting our die of good rolls!

>>21396148
Dude, when you're in an AC-Guy quest, you get a limit of good rolls per night. Once they're gone, they're gone. So we try not to waste any good ones.

>>21396165
It's /tg/ dice man. We grit our teeth, take what that fickle bitch of a god gives us, we thank it, and ask for more.

>>21396201
"Thank you sir may I have another"?

Rolled 13, 12, 12, 14, 6, 6, 4, 13, 8, 20 = 108

>>21396201

More?!

/throws bowl of die

>>21396260
>20
You wasted a 20?

Rolled 8

>>21396260
>Ending with a nat 20

Fuck you with a hot iron rod.

>>21396260
You fool! You are meddling in powers beyond your control!

SHIT I ROLLED

FUCK YOU 4CHAN X.

Rolled 7, 14, 13, 14, 13, 8, 14, 8, 2, 11 = 104

>>21396280
>>21396281
>>21396286

I only provided what was asked, for.

>>21396097
>>21396100
>>21396104

I focus, and create the magic circuit, before slowly inserting it into my spine. Rin watches curiously, almost disbelievingly as I do so.

I take one of the sticks in hand, and close my eyes, analyzing the structure. I feel it inside out and know it, before slowly correcting it. bringing it more into line. Weak parts discarded, and everything double, then triple reinforced. When I hand it back to Rin, after brushing the excess off, it's almost as hard as steel.

"Shirou, do you create the circuit every time?"

I nod, slightly confused. "Of course, I have to to make magic happen."

Rin blinks, and then buries her face in her hands. "Your teacher didn't tell you ANYTHING did he?" She moans, before shaking her head "No, he overlooked this. It's so basic it probably never occurred to him." She looks up at me. Shirou, you don't CREATE a magic circuit. It's something you're born with."

"What? He showed me how to make one to activate my magic." I respond. "He said it was an important first step."

"Yes, for the first time ever." She says with a sigh. "After the first contact with the created one, the one you're born with is woken. Once it's there, it stays. It's like... a light-switch." She says pointing to one on the wall. "Putting it in is complicated, but once it's there you just turn it on and off. What you're doing is forcibly rewiring your magic and nerves EVERY TIME. That can kill you if you keep doing it."

>>21396323

I blink, genuinely shocked, then I smile. "Man, I'm glad someone told me. I've been doing it wrong for years." I offer, after a long tense moment when I realize my mistake could have cost me my life years ago.

Rin shakes her head. "Here." She says, handing me a small gem. "Swallow this. It has some of my prana inside of it. It might make you a little woozy, but absorb it and just kinda... use it to flush the pipes."

"What do you mean?"

"I mean, feel where your circuit is and then hit the switch. Let the magic go through you. Imagine the circuits are a muscle. Flex it."

I hesitate,and then swallow the small ruby she hands me. I feel the power she spoke of immediately.

[DC15 Magecraft]

Rolled 10

>>21396329

Big money

Rolled 13

>>21396329
This is a good thing to know.

Rolled 1

>>21396329
Tzeench you owe me one!

Rolled 15

>>21396342
... Why did you think it was a good idea to invoke the Chaos Gods?

Rolled 15

>>21396329
inb4 we roll double 1s and die

Rolled 1

>>21396342

Apparently, he now owes your ass.

>>21396342
You do not make demands of the Lord of Change, fool.

>>21396342
TZEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENCH!

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>>21396342
This is going to hurt.

>>21396352
If he is running on Kirei's rules, we get three failures per scene. Crit fail counts for two.

Rolled 7

>>21396329
Please go past the first 3 this time!

>>21396342
>Make pacts with daemons
>Receive daemonic gift
>hurr durr how was i supposed to know you didn't want your limbs replaced with sentient penises, silly mortal baka.

And a lesson has been learned here today folks.

>>21396371
When making pacts with daemons, only the lucky should go?

>>21396371

You do not ask for 'moar'.

>>21396342
>>21396355
See what you're meddling has wrought? You'll doom us all!

>>21396334
>>21396340
>>21396342

My nerves catch fire. I feel sweat beading on my forehead.

"Shirou?" Rin asks "Are you alright?"

I'm fine. I need to tell her I'm fine. "HHHNNNG!" Well Fuck you too, vocal chords.

I try to will Saber to tell her not to worry. "Tosaka, he's in serious pain. I can feel it though our pact." She says, clutching at her chest. "He's also trying to tell us not to worry. I'm beginning to have concerns that he might be an idiot."

I gather my strength and point at Saber. "Un... called.... for...." I manage to murmur at the three of them. When did I get three servants?

"Shirou?" Rin says. I turn to her, she looks worried.

"Yeah?" I manage weakly.

"Shut up and stop acting tough." She says, running her hands along my chest, eyes closed like she's looking for something. "What the hell?"

"What is it, Tosaka?" Saber asks.

>>21396518

"He doesn't HAVE magic circuits." Rin responds, confused, before rolling me onto my back. In my minds eye, I see a Sword. It's so beautiful, I want to reach out and touch it. It's not just a sword, it';s the sword, the thing which the word is meant to describe it it's purest form.

"That's impossible!" I hear Saber respond. "If he's not a mage, he couldn't summon me. He couldn't have changed that stick." She says, pointing at a twig. Who cares about twigs? It's not that sword. I wish I could show them. Show them how pretty it is, in my mind.

"It's not going into circuts, it's going into his nerves." She responds, voice quiet. "Saber, if I can't figure out what's wrong, it's going to kill him!" She sounds worried. Why is she so worried? I see the sword again. And understand it. It's form, what it means. It's power as a tool and a symbol. I want.... I want to touch it. I feel like if I could touch it, I could die and it wouldn't matter.

[DC15 Magecraft]

Rolled 15

>>21396526

Dying

>>21396535
I love you.

Rolled 13

>>21396526

MUST. GET. PRETTY. SWORD.

Rolled 11

>>21396526
Go go Gadget not suck.

>>21396526
I thought Shirou could not grasp Ea, but I would definitely call that the "purest form" of a sword in type moon.

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Rolled 12

>>21396535

Curses. My plan for a nat 1 has been foiled!

>>21396550
Well, Ea PREDATES the concept of "Sword". He can't mimick it because it exists outside the concept of Sword which is his Origin and Alignment, because it existed BEFORE that concept.

>>21396560
Right, raw and undiluted. A sword before a sword could be. If that is not the pure representation of a sword, what is?

>>21396560
>metaphysics meets semantics.
You lost me.

Rolled 3

>>21396560
>his Origin and Alignment
Element. Sword is his Origin & Element.

>>21396574
His alignment is cutting good

Rolled 15

>>21396583
He is the swordiest

>>21396572
Welcome to the Nasuverse, where things are confusing as FUCK.
>>21396574
Yes, you are right.

>>21396583
>>21396593
Could've sworn his alignment was Neutral Dense but Cutting Good fits too.

>>21396606
We can also call it Lawful Sword, if you prefer. Assuming he was LG, anyway, as I uninstalled Fate long ago.

>>21396615
Nah, his alignment is Sword Sword. He is all sword all the time. He swords so hard that he becomes batman and comes back in time to sword himself. That's how swordy he is. He even gets a girlfriend who he summoned with his sword who thinks of herself as a sword. That's swordtastic.

>>21396634
He summoned her because he has a sheathe inside of him that his inner sword uses to sword his body, and he can turn right back around to sword her sheathe. Really quite a situation.

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>>21396634

>>21396634
swordception, we need to go swordier.

>>21396615
I'd say he varied depending on what route you took.
Fate: Lawful Good/Lawful Neutral
UBW: Chaotic Good
HF: Neutral Evil for dem tainted goods he's getting into. Lawful Neutral/Neutral

>>21396535
>>21396543
>>21396545

I reach out, and I grab the sword. I open my eyes and I see it, I feel it.

I pause. How could I hold it like this? The sword was in my mind, the sword was in my soul, not a real blade. Yet here it is.

It's not some horrible artifact, some grand masterpiece. It's a simple longsword, silver unadorned blade, a squared cross-guard and a black-leather wrap for the grip.

It's not a real sword, I know instinctively, it's the distilled concept of a sword, not a sword itself. The concept of it being a false perfection and a real concept in my hand feels like a paradox, and it shatters into dust as I have the revelation.

"What was- Rin, what was that?" Saber asks. She sounds like she's at the end a tunnel.

"I- I don't know. It felt like a Noble Phantasm, but-"

"It couldn't be. That felt different. A Noble Phantasm is a reflection of a legend. A manifestation of the weapon's soul, like servants are of the heroes."

"That was like an Idea given form." Rin responds, confused. "I don't think it was real, or ever meant to be.

I hear a third voice. "Rin, I was on my way back when I felt you panicking. What happened?"

"Shirou- there's something wrong with his magic circuits." Rin says. Wait, I know that voice. Don't I?

I feel a hand on my chest. "There's nothing wrong with his circuits. He's just using them for the first time. Something wrong with his head though if the first thing he chooses to do is try to grasp his origin."

>>21396732
MY BODY IS MADE OF SWORDS!

>>21396769
We sworded so hard we sworded up a sword made of swords.

>>21396732

More incoming?

>>21396769
That'd be great. Just sit right up & scream it into Archer's face. You know he'd flip his shit.
>>21396778
Sword-of. I feel terrible for typing that.

>>21396778
But it didn't believe in the Emiya Shirou that believes in it, so it disappeared on us.

>>21396812
Then next time we should spin it around really fast, see what happens.

>>21396769
But first, I really think we should scream this at him.

>>21396732

Ah. NOW I remember you Archer, you smug bastard.

"Sumg bastard huh?" He answers my inner thoughts. "You're more out it than you realize, if you're mumbling. Focus Shirou, I know it's hard for you, but you need to think. What happened?"

"....Jewel...." I respond.

"Jewel? Rin gave you a Jewel?"

"I had him swallow it, so he could channel my mana-"

"You What?" Archer asks, shocked. "Rin....." The voices fade, as I feel myself falling asleep.

I wake up, with the sun setting. Rin's sitting concerned at my side, as is Sakura and Taiga.

"What happened?" I ask, slowly sitting up.

"Tosaka said you had some kind of a seizure." Taiga answers. "She said she saw you outside about an hour ago, and when she stopped to talk, you suddenly collapsed."

"Huh," I say, shaking my head. "I don't remember that, but I feel like I got run over by a bus." The three of them help me to my feet, but I feel slightly wobbly still.

"Come on Sempai." Sakura says, as she helps lead my out into the hall. I note that I'm wearing my school uniform. Did Rin...? "I made dinner, so you don't have to worry about that."

"I called your boss and told him you were sick, so you don't have to worry about that." Taiga says.

Rin tells me to sit down and relax, and a hushed conversation over dinner with the four girls decides that they're staying just in case I feel ill. I begin to wonder if I'm losing my say in my own house.