/tg/, Neil Armstrong just died. Can I get a HFY thread going in his memory?
>tfw one day, we will be able to go to Armstrong Base and visit the memorial site where Neil Armstrong is buried, in the shadow of the Apollo LanderOne day /tg/, one day.
God damn. I thought this was trolling, then I checked.Now I'm sad...
Elegan/tg/entlemen, I propose we design a fictional spaceship and name it the TGS Armstrong.
We will clean up his trash in solemnity.
why a HFY, is that -really- appropriatestories where humanity exploits or destroys alien races to comemerate one of humanities Pioneers.maby we should just have a space thread, Pictures, ideas, exploration stories, peaceful HFY
Louie Armstrong and Buzz Lightyear.Great men in history.
>>20470397Deal. Rogue Trader style?
>>20470397Multiple Saturn V rockets powering the vessel.
I don't think HFY is the proper way to honor Neil; he wouldn't have wanted us to think we're better than anyone else.With that in mind, space and spaceship pictures thread
>>20470411This photograph is beautiful.
>>20470424This planet is awesome.Also, remember what came before Armstrong, and who.
HFY could be appropriate if it's about us fulfilling our promise and colonising space, advancing the sciences and solving some of humanities problems. I don't think Armstrong would like a HFY about us being greater then others.
...Fuck.
>>20470414>>20470417Any style! We will make up the best crossover spaceship to honor the first dude to go up there to troll to conspiracy nuts.So first thing, size. How big do we want this ship? 40k size? smaller?
One of the most important figures in history has passed. Our first step off of this pale blue dot.The farther we get away from Earth the closer we become to fulfilling our species' destiny.Half-Humans everywhere
>>20470487>Not being a Transhuman>2042
>>20470483Smaller. Lets make it something sensible and realistic, in the spirit of actual space exploration.A vessel capable of heading into space on Man's first mission to another star system, Alpha Centauri.
Sometimes I think that the legacy of the space program is the crowning achievement of the US, but then I remember that it's more of an achievement for human kind in general than any particular nation. Rest in peace, Armstrong.
Sad news.It is time to reach for the stars again.
Goodnight sweet prince
>>20470495We all know how THAT turned outFucking Morgans
See you, space cowboy.
>>20470481Pretty much my reaction as well.How long will it be, /tg/? How long will it be until every man who has set foot on the Moon is dead, and our dream to see the stars with them?
>>20470495So an ORION drive, obviously. Given we're going to Alpha Centauri, we probably shouldn't bring people, since there's nothing to live in there.
>>20470483realistic sizeEnterprise A size -ishor even NX-01 sized
>>20470521nice trolling
>>20470516Could be a good long while, paradoxically the best chance to see any interest again might be if the Chinese decides to make a moonbase, perhaps that might wake people up.
>>20470509We could have been on the Mars ages ago if the NASA wasn't crippled by budget cuts, changing policies and so on
Don't forget the poor Apollo 1 fellows.
>>20470303We are on Mars, man. We JUST LANDED another probe there.What, you think we could've gone there faster? Maybe, but it'd still probably be one-way. Slow and steady is what we need for space exploration. We speed up, we cut corners... and let me tell you a story about what happens when you cut goddamn corners in space travel. Lemme quote something."From this day forward, Flight Control will be known by two words: Tough and Competent. Tough means we are forever accountable for what we do or what we fail to do. We will never again compromise our responsibilities...Competent means we will never take anything for granted... Mission Control will be perfect. When you leave this meeting today you will go to your office and the first thing you will do there is to write Tough and Competent on your blackboards. It will never be erased. Each day when you enter the room, these words will remind you of the price paid by Grissom, White, and Chaffee. These words are the price of admission to the ranks of Mission Control."We do things in space RIGHT, or not at goddamn all.
>>20470521>>20470512
>>20470545You know? The saddest part is that the moon landing project actually made money from inventions industrial boost and so on.Over the years the US mad more money from the project than they put into it.
>>20470565Wrong link, meant to link >>20470545, have no idea how that link got in there.
I'm too upset for a HFY.Neil deserves better than wanking stale copypasta.May flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.
I fucking hate the way the general population thinks of Space Exploration and settlement
>>20470521he was the first bloke on the moon, not in space. Russians beat you there, I think
>>20470592and that is?and the reality is?when do we get space pirates?
>>20470522So do we go for exploration ship or colony ship? Depending on which we choose, we will have to design it diffenrently.
You know what scares the living crap out of me, /tg/? The Greeks. Well, not the Greeks right now, they're cool people, I mean the Ancient Greek and how they already had steam engines but saw them as nothing but very curious toys because they found no use for them since there were already slaves and everything. We had to wait till the 19th century for the Industrial Revolution.You know there should've been people living in the Moon by now. What... what if our civilization isn't meant to claim the stars?
>>20470592But Anon It's so expensive and we don't get anything from it.This what a lot of people actually believe
>>20470601I think a colony ship would be best while we are within our own solar system.
>>20470521Heh, Louis Armstrong, first man in space. >"And I think to myself, what a wonderful world..."
>>20470593Nope, vikings.
>>20470601Exploration ship; colonization comes later, and the TGS Armstrong should be all about exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and new civlizations.you are already hearing "boldly go..." in either Kirk or Picard's voice
>>20470619How can people think that?We get space! What more do we need?
>>20470623Granted Alpha Centari isn't in our solar system. However, we could colonize the moon, Mars, and Europa.
>>20470608Screw the universe, if it didn't want us to get of the planet, it shouldn't have given us the capacity to do engineering.
>>20470608Who cares if we're not "meant" for it? We'll damn well mean it ourselves.
>>20470313Whelp I'm gonna have a drink. Who else is with me?
>>20470608Not meant to?Who determines that?We will go where the fuck we please
>>20470422>I don't think HFY is the proper way to honor Neil; he wouldn't have wanted us to think we're better than anyone else.He is remembered because of a dick waving contest between two superpowers, though.
>>20470608Don't buy that defeatist crap! We are destined to survive forever, and we can do it without screwing over our fellow man, or exploiting our spiral cousins!TTGL is HFY done right.
>>20470669This again proves that humanity can only advance through strife and hardship
if a call went out for volunteers to colonize mars they would have people lined up coast to coast
The only HFY like piece of writing that I can recall and which feels appropriate at the moment.We'll get there, guys. I don't know how, and I don't much care, but we will.
Someone needs to shop an image of Neil Armstrong having a drink with The Count
>>20470636Also, since we are putting it in a fictional setting, I propose Veil of Madness long before first contact, when we weren't busy trolling the galaxy and only each other.I'm voting for exploration ship. We have to find suitable worlds before sending colonists.
>>20470687Yeah but how many of them would be qualified?Probably a few.
>>20470634Those motherfuckers.
>>20470682No, it proves that on certain aspects, it can advance through strife and hardship. It does not begin to prove that it's the only way, or the best way.The cold war held back most of humanity.
>>20470650>>20470656No. You don't understand. This is not a matter of "being able". We can already colonize the Moon and send manned missions to Mars. Today. But we're not doing it because "it's useless and expensive". The Greeks had steam engines but it took more than 1700 years for us to take it seriously. What if our politicians, our society, us, can't take space exploration seriously? Will we have to wait another 1700 years?
>>20470689Oh fuck not Count Von Count too god damn it!
>>20470608We were never meant to do anything.We are the trillion to one chance, the coin on its edge balanced upon another edgewise coin.The universe laughs at us behind our back becasue we are sad little specks of dust and spit that dream so hard.With our laughable and silly dreams we will conquer the stars and beyond becasue we are human and we should not be.
>>20470698Who cares ? We have all the time we need to train them on the way and once there.Only the first pioneers need to be really competent from the start. The colonists can be average people.
who colonize space? BECAUSE WE CAN!
Well, fuck.My only hero that I idolized while I was growing up is dead.Now I have no one to look up to. Space exploration breeds nothing but dead heroes.
>>20470730you still have him.
>>20470730Why idolize Armstrong and not Aldrin and Collins ?
>>20470708Exactly what I meant in >>20470592
One we'll have an Armstrong Spaceport on a Tranquility Base.>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BvbD-1qZtc
So long, space cowboy...
>>20470730You still have him in your heart and in your mind. Become the greatest space explorer that you can be. I believe in you, and I think Neil Armstrong would too.Also, a quote."It suddenly struck me that that tiny pea, pretty and blue, was the Earth. I put up my thumb and shut one eye, and my thumb blotted out the planet Earth. I didn't feel like a giant. I felt very, very small." ~Neil Armstrong
With computers worse than a modern pocket calculator, and a tin box on top of a giant tube of explosives, we put people somewhere other than Earth, and televised it across the world in doing so. We did it because we could. And we left more than a flag, we left a message that will sit there for uncountable years:"Here men from the planet Earth first set foot upon the Moon July 1969, A.D.We came in peace for all mankind."This right here is Humanity, Fuck Yeah.
Man, I lived in a technocracy.We would have settlements on the moon ages ago
Humans have no wings, and yet they learned to fly.Humans cannot live in space, yet we have reached the void, even landing on our moon.We have turned the land to our needs, we rule over beasts, we have fought countless diseases.In spite of our wars, misunderstandings and downright villains, we have not wiped oursleves out.All this and more we have done, all the while being broken and wounded. Truely we are made in the image of God. The majesty of humanity is testament to his skill as creator. In spite of fall, the humans still reflect him.We are images of God.GFY.
He may be gone, but his dream lives on. Rest well Mr. Armstrong.
>>20470814Get this shit out fo here
>>20470748Find the man that doesn't honor Buzz Aldrin and bring him before me for beatings.
>>20470748Because of who he is.> Neil Armstrong was a quiet self-described nerdy engineer who became a global hero when as a steely-nerved pilot he made "one giant leap for mankind" with a small step on to the moon. The modest man who had people on Earth entranced and awed from almost a quarter million miles away has died. He was 82.The guy went to the Moon and back in what amounted to a tin can the size of a bus that was run by computers whose abilities are dwarfed by your average pocket calculator. And when he came back he retired and lived a quiet life. >In February 2000, when he agreed to announce the top 20 engineering achievements of the 20th century as voted by the National Academy of Engineering, Armstrong said there was one disappointment relating to his moonwalk.>"I can honestly say - and it's a big surprise to me - that I have never had a dream about being on the moon," he said.
>>20470608Then somewhere, when alien beings find the last vestige of human culture left intact as all humanity are gone, they will write the coordinates to earth upon a large black monolith which sits within a quiet corner of a garden filled with unimaginable flora upon the central trading and diplomatic hub for all space-faring species.There will lie the last memory of earth, written amongst the coordinates to all the known planets that had intelligent life, but were not able to reach the stars. Sometimes, when new coordinates are seared in, the younger members of the council wonder whether to change their policy in not uplifting intelligent species so that they may know the joy of being held against the breast of the universe itself and feeling it's gentle warmth. They know it should not be changed and so it won't.A contemplative creature sits nearby the monolith and admires it's strength. There were coordinates for hundreds of thousands of planets all throughout the known universe and the number only grows. The monolith bears its burden silently, the final remembrance for the species and cultures that time had taken before they could return as one to the embracing arms of the universe.
>>20470806It is not enough to do something.It has to be done well.We could stick a colony on the moon now. It would be insanely expensive to run and maintain but we could do it. Or we could wait a few more decades and perfect currently existing technologies and invent new technologies and when we go we will be there to stay.Rushing things in this case will be counter productive as a bankrupt nation that wasted so much on an unsustainable extra-planetary colony will be seen as a lesson in the folly of space exploration.A nation that starts claiming ground on new worlds that are not only self-sustaining but profitable will rise to prominence and power beyond imagining. It will be like discovering a new continent before anyone else knows how to build ships.So haste is not the best option, Luna will still be there in a few decades. When we go we have to be prepared to stay otherwise it just looks like we were mucking about.
>>20470840We don't need to do a damn thing, men who do not respect Buzz Aldrin get punched out by the man himself.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU
You know. . .I wish that whenever a man or woman steps onto a new world, a new planet. . he or she says those words.'Another small step for a man, another giant leap for mankind.'
>>20470879True enoughI'm just afraid of not being able to witness the first settlement on the moon
>how we should be exploring the starshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN-q09wRG70>how we will probably end up doing ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfbsZRbwbJ4you know it's true /tg/. and only we can stop it
Rest in peace, Neil.You will be missed.
>>20470905StargateAndromedaBattlestar GalacticaBattleshipBattle: Los AngelesFalling Skies
>>20470905If space colonisation is expensive, space warfare is completely fucking unamanageable. On top of the Cold War level of risk.We should be safe with economic and political warfare, for a while at least.
Just our galaxy alone is so fucking full, we need to get out there.http://djer.roe.ac.uk/vsa/vvv/iipmooviewer-2.0-beta/vvvgps5.html
>>20470799>July 1969, A.D.>Anno Domini>Humanity, Fuck Yeah.Yeah, not really.
>>20470562>>20470562My dad told me a story of when Ed White was at the University of Michigan. He let a blind kid touch his face, so that he could feel someone who had been in space.>pic related
>>20470840I admire Collins most, for the obvious reason.
>>20471170>He let a blind kid touch his face, so that he could feel someone who had been in space.Holy shit these feels
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>>20471170That seems like the kind of thing that grants you superpowers.
>>20470779Here.
>>20470313I've got some HFY for you. Big time. And all true.The week before the Wright Borthers took their famous flight, the New York Post said it would be centuries before man could fly. Slightly over sixty years after that famous flight, Neil Armstrong landed on the Moon.When I was born 30 years ago, the average "portable" computer was the size of a toaster-oven, weighed over 20 pounds, had a screen the size of your hand and measured its memory in kilobytes. Now teenagers are carrying in their pockets supercomputers eponentially powerful than the room-sized, required-their-own-individual-AC-units machines that put a man on the lunar surface.With all that progress in mind, just think of what the world might be like when we are in our 80's like the late Mr. Armstrong...
>>20471408probably shittier, as space flight has barely evolved since the glory days of Armstrong
>>20471498At least we're all have hand held quantum computers, and wi-fi that wirelessly links the internet with our minds.
>>20471498science and technology is more than just space, my friend.It is the hammer, the shovel, the axe, and the saw, the full span of tools with which humanity builds its future.
>>20470313Considering how humble a man Neil Armstrong was, I find a HFY to be a little inappropriate.
>>20470880Fucking lol'd.
>>20471395That's beautiful. Thank you.
>>20471555I ain't your friend, buddy
>>20471612I ain't your buddy, pal.
>>20470494Sorry, but they don't really exist just yet.
The X-15. Neil's ride before the Apollo lander.
X-15 again.This guy still holds a lot of records for aircraft performance, despite being tested in the 60s and 70s.
...and one final picture, with our Hero with his aircraft after landing.
>>20470592>I fucking hate the way the general population thinks of Space Exploration and settlementLike it's going to happen and we'll have huge domed cities and everything is going to be cool and awesome when we can't manage a closed biosphere on Earth?
Gah, I am about to go full emotional. Good thing this is anonymous.Today, at the age of 82, the first human to ever touch alien ground passed away, and I think this does mark a passing of an age, as landing on the mood pretty much was the crowning achievement of those first years of space flight. Since then we've focused primarily on unmanned probes and orbital maintanance, but with the new, private enterprises aiming for the goals governments no longer are willing to try for, I can only hope his legacy won't be abandoned.Like most anons, I am far too young to have witnessed the Eagle landing, and people of my generation were deprived of those emotions that accompanied manned spaceflight pushing boundaries, but I can only hope that when I am of the same age as mr. Armstrong was, the sky will indeed be full of ship, making full and good use of the solar system.I wonder if he and Gagarin already decided if they drink beer or vodka today.
>>20471745This is the best HFY in the thread - Not circlejerking wank, but simple, hard, fact.
>>20470839Why?
>>20471778>Landing on the mood
>>20470494Transhumanity is a stupid pipe dream, and stupid even if it could happen.
>>20471838Oh shut the fuck up, no one wants to hear about your pet peeves right now.
Every time I go to the British Museum (right after my obligatory visit to the natural history museum) I get hit by a truckload of happiness.why, you may ask?Because I look at the timeline of humanity.3.4 million years ago, our ancestors were recognised as having made stone toolsAround 400,000 years ago, our precursors had harnessed fireAbout 9000 years ago, we started our tenuous steps into farmingAround 7000 years ago, we have evidence of a written language beginning to form2000 years ago, and the ancient world was at its apex1000 years ago, we clawed our way back to civilisation500 years ago, the enlightenment of humanity began, the roots of modern society began to form100 years ago, we reached out to the sky itself50 years ago, we launched into the ether, and soon enough this great man, and his crew, had landed on it35 years ago, The voyager space probe was launcedthough invented much earlier, 20 years ago, the modern internet became widespread in our culture and revolutionised how we work as a species.Now it is today.we have live footage of the red planet itself, Voyager has remained working and will soon reach the outside of the solar system.So to answer your question, I ask one in return.Do you notice the ever narrowing of the temporal jumps?do you notice how our species charges forward at ever increasing speeds?How each achievement seems staggering, or even miraculous, to the one that came before?THAT is why I am glad to be alive today. Some people may get off on saying we're a corrupt people doomed to fail.To them I say, look at our history, look how far we have come and how far we have yet to go.Humanity, FUCK YEAH
>>20471936In the picture of the post you deleted, was that Carl Sagan as a Jedi ghost?
>>20472048yes it was.but I forgot I had unweaving the rainbow in my background folder as well.
A great man, and the first one ever to set foot on another world, has passed away before we ever got a chance to go back for real. An age has ended, and a great dream, one that captured a generation of writers and thinkers, has closed. The age of Apollo has ended, and the children of Apollo now have children of their own.But that does not mean that the dream of space must die. It does not mean that we will never reach the stars, and stagnate on this lone speck of dust sending cats back and forth while above us a great and beautiful sky turns just out of reach. We can still reach out.Less than a month ago, a group of inventors and engineers built and launched their own ship, and docked it with the international space station as a precursor to carrying humans. As I type this, hundreds and thousands of businessmen and engineers are frantically working to complete and test other vehicles. XCOR. Virgin Galactic. SpaceX. Armadillo. Blue Origin. Bigelow Aerospace. If NASA and JAXA and ESA won't take us to the stars, we'll have to do it ourselves.We have flown fewer than five hundred men and women into space. The Wright Brothers made more test flights than that before announcing their discovery. The age of space is only just beginning to open.NASA threw a light off this ball of spinning rock out to the stars. It's now up to us, the demos of democracy, the citizens of the world, to reach for it. Our governments promised us space. Now it's up to us to bring ourselves there.Don't give up the dream. Push it forwards. Space is our birthright, and we will take it yet. And all we have to do is work for it.
>ruin perfect planet>spend billions on flying to lifeless rocks instead of sustainable development>won't ever get out of the solar system because LOL LAWS OF PHYSICS>will most likely die out due to nuclear war or making earth inhabitable in some other wayLOL HUMANITY. Travelling to Mars means ultimately nothing.
>>20472360>Navel>not Naval>immoralized>not immortalizedSorry for the nitpicking, but those two were bugging me.
Writefaggotry inbound.Space was serenely quiet, the stars glittering in the darkness, as a the fragile labor of a hundred thousand humans sailed through the void, its skin reflecting light from a hundred million suns. It drifted, rockets making tiny puffs in the black, towards a similar creation; out of place, and unnatural here, but utterly at peace. Electromagnetic signals of welcoming and calculations lashed between the two ships, and they spun in an intricate dance, before their hatches came together. ~A man stepped through the portal, the flag of his distant home bright upon his arm. The figure, floating weightlessly, had a welcoming smile upon his face."Привет друг, это хорошо, чтобы встретиться с вами." he spoke, his voice, tinged with warmth, filled the cramped module."It's good to meet you too, tovarisch."Then Neil Armstrong and Yuri Gagarin shook hands in peace, for all mankind.
>>20472426Fuck. I'll fix it.
"Humans have had a long history of space exploration. We've traversed half the galaxy by now, looking for new worlds that the other races missed. Exploration is in our blood. But today students, is a very special day.We'd only sent human beings into space for eight years. Two of the most powerful nation-states in the history of mankind were competing in fields of every description, weapons, spacecraft, politics, science, everything. And then, as the world watched, one of them fulfilled a promise it's leader made earlier in that decade. Three men traveled towards Luna, propelled by the most powerful chemical rocket man has ever built. There was only room for two of them in the crude lander attached to the craft that would bring them home. The third man had to stay behind, hoping his crewmates safely landed and returned. The entire planet watched with bated breath, as this small box of metal decended to the surface of a world untouched by mankind. And as the first human to set foot on another heavenly body took his first steps on an alien world, he uttered lines immortalized in history, and carried in almost every human spacecraft built today for good luck, and to honor those who went out into the wild black yonder before. "One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." This is 500 years to the day since these brave pioneers landed. I expect a 5 page essay on how this event changed the human species as a whole by Monday."-Professor Harold Smith, Naval Academy of Luna, July 20, 2469.Rest forever among the stars Neil.
>>20472428>Привет>с вамиThis formality dissonance is killing me, but I don't know enough of the culture to tell if it's actually wrong.
>>20472508They're both dead, its the after-life.IN SPACE!So I think they can be a bit informal.
>>20472360>implying Professor Harold Smith wasn't sentenced to cryotorture for 10 petadecades because a 12th degree relative downloaded the latest Biebllex single in the last epoch
Humanity, What The Fuck?
>>20472508Yes, it is. There should be a Здравствуйте instead of Привет.
>>20471854And nobody wants to hear about your pet obsessions right now. This is not about transhumanism, this is about space exploration.
>>20473055>implying it was my comment in the first placeStop responding to shit you don't like, how hard is it?
I'm trying to find the Challenge issue with the rules for "primitive" vessels like the Saturn V
>>20473109Apparently pretty hard for you too.
>>20473227The problem is they don't want you remembering the great men of the past
>>20472508It does work.A respected friend/informally known elder kind of way.
>>20473516>friendScratch that, more of a comrade.Russians have a stricter definition of "friend".
>>20470313I believe in mankindhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo&feature=related
Space colonization will likely happen like this;>Various nations set up research stations designed to host permanent populations.>Low and behold, people have babies. Internal population growth forces them to expand.>Eventually, the stations become completely self-sufficient. As they have no more need for Earth law, they'll declare independence. Then again, there might be some loyalist holdouts, mostly with stations whose primary population is Earth immigrants.>The first interplanetary war will ensue, as I doubt most Earth nations will like the idea of a potentially hostile people floating above them in NEO. The war could go either way, with Earth having the advantage of population and technology but with the Spacers owning most of the relevant infrastructure.>If Earth wins, they'll regain control, likely enforcing strict population control measures against those who identify as Spacers. They might also offer surviving Spacers exile. Either way, the Inner System will be dominated by Earth.>If the Spacers win, Earth will be forced to submit with the threat of planetary bombardment. Earth immigrants might still be accepted, especially if they hold valuable skills. Either way, the Spacers will dominate humanities future in space.I think this is the most probable course of history in the mid-future. An interesting combination might be where Earth secures Cislunar space, but is either unwilling or unable to progress further into the Inner System. Mars could become a battle ground, with each side setting up bases and colonies.
There's a storytime of "Orbiter" by Warren Ellis on /b/ right now: >>>/b/421189648The afterward written about Ellis' views on spaceflight had me in tears.
>>20475115>404>/b/tards have no taste -- why am I not suprised?
>>20475352Have a download link, then: https://rapidshare.com/#!download|115p7|29404116|WE_Orb.rar|26644|0|0
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>>20475764>>20475753>>20475746>>20475734>>20475728>>20475718None of my reaction images can express the extent of my pleasure.
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>>20475764LegoQuest dude.Respect.Love,The rest of /tg/
Someone needs to Archive this thread. Just for Lego's posts.
>>20475764You're a good man Lego Quest. We'll all miss him.
Did you know? 10,000 years from now. His Foot print will still be where he left it.
>>20476112Only if we fail.
>>20476173I'm pretty sure his footprints are going to be immortalized under unbreakable glass once we set up shop on the moon.
>>20476178It and the whole landing site are historic monuments. I'd say preserve them as such. I'd say all the other moon landing areas as well.
/tg/ack, I work at a museum. We're based on an old aircraft carrier in New York City. Just recently, we got the shuttle Enterprise, but back in the early 60s we were responsible for retrieving Scott Carpenter in Aurora 7 and Gus Grissom and John Young in the Molly Brown (Gemini 3). Neil was my hero growing up, and the news today hurt a lot more than anything has in a while. Mr. Armstrong was one of our truest and most unambiguous heroes, and he and his colleagues throughout the space program taught us that we have the ability and the responsibility to become more than we are.
>>20475764Bang.
>>20476346So I'd like to share with you something that's meant more and more to me lately- a photo, and some words.From this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of any particular interest. But for us, it's different. Consider again that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
>>20476374The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity – in all this vastness – there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. The Earth is the only world known, so far, to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment, the Earth is where we make our stand. It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
>>20476014>Someone needs to Archive this thread. Just for Lego's posts.http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Neil%20Armstrong
>>20472668>>20472508Actually, "с вами" could simply be the plural second person pronoun (ie: It is nice to meet you, "you" meaning Armstrong and the others on the american ship), not a formal second person singular, in which the level of formality is just fine.
Go damn it Lego. I thought I was over it, but you reopened that wound. Now I need a tissue.
>I think we're going to the Moon because it's the nature of human being to face challenges. It's the by the nature of his DEEP INNER SOUL... We're required to do these things just as salmon swim upstream.Neil Armstrong is HFY done right.
In a few hundred years the spark of the europeans who had the motivation to go to the moon will cease to exist as natural selection takes over and wipes them out. All that will remain is brown people in mudhuts.HFY is a little kids dream. Granted, its a good one. But not realistic to the world today and the shifting of ethnicities.I will still observe a minute of silence for Neil. He was a great white man.
>>20476908Your terrible politics have no place here. This is a thread of honor and respect for a hero who has passed on.Your bigotry goes against the spirit of the man and of the thread.
>>20476908Man, shut the fuck up.Can't you see a great man has died? He doesn't deserve our silence. All he deserves is our fire. Our drive. Our ability to stand with him, and look at the sky.Silence is for me who will die. Neil Armstrong is a legend. And those... They never die.
>>20476941*men
I don't have words worthy of the subject, RIP Neil.
It is easy to forget our origins. It is strange how quickly the five hundred years of human history post-spaceflight have swamped our history before. There are seventeen trillion human beings alive today, strewn throughout the stars. There are one hundred billion human beings alive on Chiron, right now, in this mightiest of strongholds, this capital of our noble species. Five hundred years ago, this would have been more humans who had ever lived. More humans who had ever been born, lived, or died on our humble homeworld.Yet, though it is easy, we must not forget how mankind began. For the Lord created us in stages, and we arose and grew from tiny organisms now lost to the ravages of time. The world was a tiny one, a little blue marble called Terra. Mundus. Di. Chi. Duniya. Earth.It is empty now. Cleansed of life in the last great war. That little blue dot, so far from all civilization, is left bare of human life, as a reminder of who we are. Of what we are. Before all stood illuminated in the light of Allah, when the House of War held court in the hearts of all men, the nations of Earth--for there were many--struggled with one another, and fought great wars, battles of conquest, seizure, and feudal pride.They fought for resources. For things. For... Stuff. For wealth. Things that now, we take for granted. Things that no man would ever slay another for, or so we tell ourselves. That world, for all its beauty and its splendor, was a gilded cage, a container with too little for too many. And so men fought, and men died. And even as the hand of technology and human will brought the stars closer and closer, all eyes stayed facing the ground.
>>20478027When we left Earth, all those hundreds of years ago, on the exodus that brought us to Sacred Chiron, we left because we were not wanted. Our side lost the great war. We were exiled, a penal colony sent to explore a faraway system, sent to die, sent to distance us from events of relevance. It was this cruelty that saved us. It was this same callousness that slew the men of Earth. Their hunger consumed their very hearts, and as the infidel always does, when denied a true foe, he turned upon his friends for battle. The end of Earth is not recorded in our history books. We do not know who fired the first shot, but we know that when we came back, full of rage for our exile, seeking revenge, the world was green, but there were no men. We came seeking revenge. We left feeling only dread. How close had we come, to extinction? If we had stayed, there would be no human beings today.But it was not God's will that we should cease. It is not my will that we shall cease. It is not our will that we shall cease. We sinned, in seeking revenge against our human brothers, and for that sin, the burden of life has been placed upon us. We will not make the same mistake that our forefathers made. No more will we group together where all might die at once. No more will we squabble over land and tree and space.No more will we seek centers, when horizons remain in sight. Never again will mankind come so close to nonexistence. Never again. Never again.And so I say, my children, sons and daughters of deadened Earth, arise! Arise! Arise! The stars await! Go forth once more, in mighty surge, and bring your song to the heavens and God! Let every corner of the distant cosmos hear the voice of humankind! Let them hear our cry of hope:The Earth is Green, and men live still!
>>20476908/pol/ pls go
>>20478163You will look long, hard, and in terrible vain for the /pol/ite who postulates that the men to take humankind to the stars will be Muslims.
>>20478027>>20478140Yes sir, yes sir, but... Why skulls, though?
>>20478282So that in 500 more years, when the aliens who no will have no doubt found the dessicated corpses of our deep space explorers meet us, they'll know who they're fucking with.
>>20476908Because the one thing Neil Armstrong believed in was Aryan supremacy.
I remember when we took our first step upon the moon. For millenia we had looked upon her as a merciful goddess, who gifted us with light in the darkness and the rule to measure our years. What bounty of life did she hold, we wondered, when we discovered our world was a sphere? Then we invented telescopes, and found her to possess not an alien world of cold white fire, but the rough beauty of the highest, most barren mountains. Even though our imaginations had failed us, we still sought to visit her, this great beautiful land that had occupied our nights and dreams since the dawn of our species. From swan-pulled boats to great hot-air balloons, we struggled to reach the land that we could never touch. Then came the wars, the terrible wars, and we found ourselves thrust out of our gentle lives. Great new weapons were forged, new realms of science uncovered. And the secret of spaceflight discovered. When I finally reached her, after travelling for three days aboard my tiny rocket pod, I touched down in one of the great basalt seas that dotted the moon's surface. And there, I found the first signs of life on the moon. A flag in brilliant colors, a ship much larger and more alien than my own, and a bronze plaque bearing the image of a world and an unknown language.
>>20478348When we tested the dust upon these artifacts, we came to a startling conclusion. They were more than four million years old, the product of a civilization little more advanced than ours. The world on the plaque was unrecognizable except to paleogeologists, as the state of our continents and seas in the distant past, when our race had swum through primordial seas. Imagine! Some other life had lived and breathed and thought and touched the heavens, and vanished, yet still, its creations endured upon the merciful Moon. When we walked the rust-red surface of Geyes, we bore the inscription upon the plaque with us, engraved upon our ships. When we sailed the endless skies of Jalbador, we bore the inscriptions upon our atmosuits. When we launched our first interstellar spaceship, she bore the inscription upon her bow and carried the plaque upon her bridge. And when we made first contact, we learned what the iniscription said."We came in peace, for all mankind."
Screencapping these last two because they're awesome in different ways.
Fly Me To The Moonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lRTOO5_Jq4RIP
Best part is, they could be the same story, from different perspectives at different times.
rolled 3 = 3>>20478445http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3kcvKd7mXENow with 100% (Of what should be) Frank Sinatra!It truly is sad that such an explorer is gone, hopefully we'll have even more following his footprints and beyond them.
>>20478348>>20478364
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goygeLvATgI
In case you haven't seen this yet.
>>20478825That speech has been a favorite of mine for some time. Good stuff.
>>20470639>EuropaYOU FOOL! ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA! ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE!
This is how I feel every time I think about the moon landing, but especially now. It took us 66 years to go from primitive airplanes to putting a man on the goddamn moon. I have every reason to believe that we will land on Mars within my lifetime, and I can reasonably dream there'll be a colony there. The future is such an exciting place to live.
>>20470399>>20478887https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ-TFfn6o0o
>>20471778
FUCK I'M CRYING BITCH TEARS HELP ME
>>20471776>>20472327Your views are worthless, and trample on the legacy of the man that we are trying to honour here, be gone from this place.
>>20472468>>20478348All the feels guys. All of the feels.Why aren't we focusing more on space travel? It's a whole new industry and an area of research that is criminally undermanned. Just think about how many jobs some serious investment into space travel, exploration and eventual colonisation would create!We will reach the stars some day... I just wish I knew for sure how and when we will get there. There's so much that could go wrong and I'm not even talking about mechanically. Who would you rather see reach space first? Monopolistic corporations, attaining even more power by holding a stranglehold on every human's dream since the first caveman looked up? Or a united humanity, not through war or politics, or economics, or even religion, but by humanity's shared dream and spirit to reach beyond what lesser folk consider 'impossible'.All those of you who, like me, lack direction in your lives, listen up. THIS is our direvtion. Up. If /tg/ gets shit done, here's something to REALLY get done.Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not going to sit around and wait for the future to come to me. I'm going to go and MAKE it.
>>20479705>Why aren't we focusing more on space travel?Because right now the people who could become astronauts are massively outnumbered by the people who couldn't, and too many of the people who couldn't don't see how it affects them.I think part of the reason the military gets so much funding is because any dumb, violent high-school dropout can join.
Humans will not go to the moon again in your lifetime.No one will set foot on Mars in your lifetime.There are no plans for a moon colony in your children's lifetime.There are no plans to send a ship to Alpha Centauri in your children's lifetime.There are no plans for the terraforming of Mars in your grandchildren's lifetime.Humanity will never reach out into space further than we already have.The Pioneer Plaques, the Voyager Record, and our radio signals will be our only enduring legacy.Humanity will meet it's end upon this planet, sooner rather than later, because of our short sightedness and ignorance.It is already too late to save ourselves and spread into the cosmos.We have squandered our genetic luck, our galactic inheritance on only the most petty and trivial concerns.It doesn't matter anyway. No one cares.Change the channel, go to work, go to church, trust your leaders.
>>20479804What happened to people like you?Where does this psychological need to depress people trying to have hope come from?Are you just a completely and utterly miserable person who believes in the saying 'misery loves company' or something?
>>20479827It is not good enough to merely have hope. If that made you angry, perhaps you realize that some of it is true. There are countless problems holding us back from doing what we all hope humanity can do. Surely you recognize some of them.Hope is not enough. We all need to work towards making it reality.
>>20479804>Humans will not go to the moon again in your lifetime.As of a few months ago, there are plans to have a mining operation on the moon by 2020. Unless we all die in December, I foresee myself living that long.>No one will set foot on Mars in your lifetime.Possible, but once the moon mining operation begins it will provide a stable platform for refuelling making the possibility of mars landing more likely.>There are no plans for a moon colony in your children's lifetime.That's not true. See above.>There are no plans to send a ship to Alpha Centauri in your children's lifetime.Well, not yet. But there's a long time to go.>There are no plans for the terraforming of Mars in your grandchildren's lifetime.Terraforming takes centuries. What's your point?>Humanity will never reach out into space further than we already have.Unlikely.>The Pioneer Plaques, the Voyager Record, and our radio signals will be our only enduring legacy.Possible.>Humanity will meet it's end upon this planet, sooner rather than later, because of our short sightedness and ignorance.Aren't you a ray of sunshine?>It is already too late to save ourselves and spread into the cosmos.Not necessarily.>We have squandered our genetic luck, our galactic inheritance on only the most petty and trivial concerns.You're not really in a position to say that with absolute certainty.>It doesn't matter anyway. No one cares.No, you don't care. There's a difference.>Change the channel, go to work, go to church, trust your leaders.Oooooh, now that's what I call edgy teenager.
>>20479869If you want something to make you angry, consider this:>cost of the Apollo program (adjusted for inflation): $143 billion>cost of the Iraq war: $170 billion
>>20479804Unto you, Anon, I say only this:Hope burns bright.>>20479869You're right though. The future is what you make of it. Hope's nothing without willpower to enact it. But willpower is nothing without hope to show it the way. We've got both, so let's put it to use! Every great achievement of humanity inspires us, for every great thing we have ever done was done in defiance of the impossible!>>20479789See, that's the thing. With research, you could dramatically lower the entry requirements for being an astronaut. Besides, there's thousands of jobs in the space industry that don't involve going up there. Engineers, mission control, biologists, metalurgists, chemists, electricians, hell, even unskilled labour!
>>20479869What manner of cowardice is it that a man's only defense to willfully being on the wrong side of history is that he feels that it is for some reason necessary to be as curmudgeonly as possible?There were no plans to put men on the moon when Neil Armstrong was born. Every reefer huffing crackpot with a telescope and no comprehension of geopolitics whatsoever thought we were going to nuke ourselves into oblivion, and people called them geniuses and visionaries. People thought that we'd have cars by the 1970s, but they also thought that maybe, just maybe, there might be as many as 12 computers worldwide by the year 2010.Notice how everything turned out the other way. Popular opinion, professional opinion, what you "know" to be the truth, means nothing.The first rule of shit is that it exists to hit the fan. Nobody knows what the future holds, we could be building cities on mars by the 2030s, weirder shit has happened, maybe those French faggots and their magical money-wasting fusion device will actually solve global energy crisis and usher in an age of progress and prosperity. Maybe next week the Serbs will invade Costa Rica. You don't fucking know, and neither do I, why do you insist upon being obtuse in addition to negative?
>>20479969Flying cars, god damn it.
>>20479804There are private plans for a Mars colony in the 2020s. Not saying they'll surely work out, but they're there.
>>20479977The flying cars thing has always annoyed me because by simply following the train of thought a stop further than 'oh that' cool', we get 'but what about car crashes? They're bad enough as it is without flying'.And that's why we don't have flying cars beyond a very few examples, the tech is there but it's a just a plainly bad idea to use them because we don't need drunk, incompetent or just unlucky drivers reenacting 9/11 in their own miniature way all day every day.
"I am, and ever will be, a white-socks, pocket-protector, nerdy engineer -- born under the second law of thermodynamics, steeped in the steam tables, in love with free-body diagrams, transformed by Laplace, and propelled by compressible flow." - Neil ArmstrongTo get back into space, we need education, we need to give people a love of science and maths and engineering, we need to get smart people back into the spacerocket game.Space travel is the peak of a huge pyramid of knowledge and experience that's been worn halfway down since the 60s. It needs to be built up again, and only then can we start looking at the moon.
>>20479963On the other hand, even NASA insiders are coming out of the woodwork saying it's a good thing that the Shuttle program is dead because it was way more expensive than it needed to be. It cost $2.5 billion to put Curiosity on Mars. Spirit and Opportunity cost about $1 billion between them. The cost for the average Space Shuttle launch? 1.5 billion. It's been known for a while that it was way too goddamn expensive, but every time NASA tried to put together something cheaper or more flexible (say, something not limited to Earth orbit) they got pushback from the politicians going "well you already have the Shuttle, so why not just use that?"Space travel doesn't have to be as expensive as the Apollo program or the Shuttle program, and that's the real tragedy - the US is turning its back on the stars when the cost to the taxpayers is so miniscule.
>>20480020What's really awesome is that when they were trying to land on the moon, they had to change their LZ at the last second and the lander's flight computer couldn't handle the calculations, so Neil manually landed the craft.Neil Armstrong literally EYEBALLED the Moon landing and gave zero fucks about it. Most people can't even parallel park.
>>20471838They said the same thing about a laser that directs lightning bolts. Who's laughing now?The laser-guided lightning bolts, that's who.
>>20480045More like the guys who figured out how to do it. Nobody would ever fuck with them ever again.
>>20480029Don't the US spend triple that on the army?
>>20480029The space race isn't really in the hands of governments any longer. We're now observing the beginning of a trend for corporate interests into space exploration. So long as we get there, I don't see the issue of it being a corporation or a government that foots the bill.
>>20480020>Space travel is the peak of a huge pyramid of knowledge and experienceNah. It's up there, of course, and it's of vital importance to ensuring that our species isn't wiped out by a mere planetary-scale disaster, but it's not the absolute peak. There's so much left to the mountain above it.
When there is an america where science is actually reviled, and people actually relish being stupid, i wouldnt hold your breath for an america return to space.Now china and india are actually really good bets for the future of space travel. Not only are their education standards increasing but they also want it more.
>>20480055Yeah, but it doesn't sound as cool that way.
>>20480057Are you fucking with me?The military budget for 2010 was $680 billion.NASA got $18 billion.
>>20480057Probably more. The Air Force is getting most of what used to be NASA's territory rolled up into it, and I'd say that makes sense, given that the AF isn't really good for anything except spending money on stupid shit, and the space program's right up their alley.Also, every attempt to stop the air force from doing whatever it wants with its ludicrous funding has ended in hilarious failure. If they want an aircraft carrier with wings, they'll get one. If they want an aircraft carrier with wings, in space, they'll get one. Chair Force knows the system, I don't know why this wasn't their show to begin with.
>>20480092The Chinese are going to be too busy choking on their bottlenecked population in the 20s. India will be too busy choking on its literally toxic atmosphere in the 30s.Europe will be too busy being Europe, and therefore categorically, genetically incapable of not hamstringing themselves, all throughout the century.It's going to be America or Brazil. That's about it.
>>20480069Fair enough. My point is that space work needs to be supported by a lot of other technologies/movements and right now the foundations are a bit lacking.
>>20480057The US defense budget for 2012 is between about 1.03 and 1.451 trillion dollars.For reference, the US has a total population of about 311.5 million.This means it cost the average American about $8.02 to put Curiosity on Mars. The 2012 US defense budget will cost the average American about $3,306.58.
>>20480127So Brazil then, America is getting fucking squirrely.
>>20480127Seriously, you guys need to stop looking at which country is going to achieve what.Space is in the hands of corporate interests.
>>20480115>>20480117>Humanity is Space DilbertSeriously, that's what the aliens will think if we ever make contact.
>>20480069It's the point where the mountain hits the clouds, and you think 'well, there can't be much past this'Once we pass the cloud we'll see the mountain goes even higher above the clouds than the distance it took to reach them.
>>20480092Oh please, the Americans hate exercise too, and they jumbojacked the olympics just fine.
>The Chinese are going to be too busy choking on their bottlenecked population in the 20s. India will be too busy choking on its literally toxic atmosphere in the 30s.So what your saying is that there are literally billions of people who will be looking for somewhere to live, who already have semi mature space programs? HMMMMMM>Europe will be too busy being Europe, and therefore categorically, genetically incapable of not hamstringing themselves, all throughout the century.No argument here. Europe is balls.>It's going to be America or Brazil. Brazil maybe.
>>20480149International treaties prevent both national and corporate interests from claiming private possession of extraplanetary bodies. Right now, unless those treaties are dissolved in order to open up the land grab, there's only four things corporations are going to be doing in space:1) Putting satellites into orbit.2) Putting tourists into orbit.3) Tinkering around with commuter travel thanks to being able to fly at supersonic speeds over land.4) Novelty "put human ashes/mementos/whatever into space" shit.
>>20480149Maybe. But not US corporate. SpaceX looks promising, but when the go to get insurance for a manned moon mission they will hit a brick wall. The USA is way too litigious to achieve anything on this scale.
>>20480137Nah. Brazil is America but worse. The Americans are really the only option. Probably not even the government. Private citizens would already be doing it if there was a good reason to. Wait for the business end to catch on, that's just how it works in America.
>So what your saying is that there are literally billions of people who will be looking for somewhere to live, And all of them poor as fuck. What are they doing to do to get into space, all stand on top of each other?
>>20480127Plus Ultra!We just need to... you know... get our shit together, pay some bills and... but hey, we have like 6 million unemployed people. That's a lot of manpower right there we could use to make this happen, right? Right?Oh, what? Back to being a poor second-class European country and forget all our dreams of grandeur? Right away, sir! Do you want a glass of Sangría with your Paella?
>>20480181To my knowledge there is a private group opening up mining claims on the moon, planning to have it operational by the 2020's. I don't think they'll be "claiming ownership" of the enitre moon. Which is what I think said treaties prohibit.
Brazil is our best hope for space warfare.HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE
>>20480193AND a government with a massive state owned manufacturing base that has the will to get rid of them.
>>20480193Penal colony, probably. What better way to ensure that a colony gets built than to build an automated, one-way spaceship, load it up with people who you don't care if they live or die and all the tools they'll need to build a viable colony, fire the whole thing at Mars, and give them a choice between doing nothing and dying or doing what you want and building your colony for you?
>>20480226G'Day mate.
>India will be too busy choking on its literally toxic atmosphere in the 30s.Yeah, sorta how England has been a toxic wasteland fot two hundred years and Germany has NO TREES......OH SNAP!Reminds me... if killing babies was reason enough to make the US public agree to Iraq 1, why aren't they clamoring for a war with China? The Chinese are dilligently drowning all the baby girls right after birth after all.
>>20480177That is not what I said. The Chinese have a disproportionately large gap between their older, retiring class and their youthful working class. We're talking Baby Boomers times six, here. It isn't about surplus population, it's the exact opposite. They took population control way too far, and they result is going to be an entire generation being smothered into poverty by their seniors. Again, Baby Boomers, but multiplied by no surplus wealth and a reliance on heavy industry. It's an economic disaster in the making pretty much without parallel.Brazil is also not going to be doing anything, because Brazil is lucky to have an economy. They skipped the American period of prosperity straight to useless decadence. They're not even Catholic anymore, they're all going Pentecostal these days. Those assholes who thought South America was going to have a superpower in a few decades probably look like assholes right about now. That's because they are assholes. South America will never be important again. Kind of like Scandinavia.
>>20480226>Mars Becomes the New AustraliaAt least the Martian beer couldn't be worse.
>>20480181I know it'll never happen, but part of me thinks it would be awesome if one of those space companies responded by moving its entire operation off-world and saying 'come and get me'.
>>20480243scandinavia might not be important, but we'll have comfortable and decent lives without anyone gunning for us for a looong long time
>>20480205There have been "private groups with plans to mine the moon" since the day Armstrong first set foot on the damn thing. The vast majority have been scams to try and siphon money out of investors, and the few legit ones have all run into problems of logistics and legality. Simply put: until those treaties go away, mining the moon is a non-starter.
>>20480257Clearly you don't need the help.
>>20480273right...because he was a foreign intrusion...
Private space exploration? Hahaha. "We came here cheap for all the shareholders"? No. Not happening any time soon.
>>20480245>thinks Australians drink Fosters
>>20480257Yes, I am sure the history books will take great note of your comfort and decency. They may also take note of Serbian turbo-folk and Indonesian clove cigarettes. Probably not footnotes. Maybe an appendix entry.
>>20480288That was the joke, yes. You do not need the help. Gunning for yourselves. Because you are murderous and unhinged. That is the joke.I say, you know now that we're on the subject, why isn't that Vark, Varg, Vikern whatever his name was, fellow still in jail, didn't he kill someone with a hammer or something? Burn down a bunch of churches?For the life of me I can never remember.
>>20480292Yeah, that's not going to happen.
>>20480243The reason i like china for space superpower, is that they have such a callous disregard for their people. Ageing population? Kick them out of the capital cities and let them die.This is exactly the spirit that a country needs to be successful at exploration. People have to be willing to sacrifice themselves and each other, in most likely hostile surrounds, to advance everyone as a whole. China is a country that could have 50 failed manned missions and not lose any momentum. Like vikings. The last longboats didnt return. Do you die of starvation, or send your children on another boat? China. They dont have 2 fucks to rub together. And that is why they are humanities last best hope for space travel.
>>20480331So what you're saying is that in order to advance, we have to lose out humanity?If mankind endures, but humanity dies, I think it's not worth it.
>>20480331China's callousness travels downwards, not up. It's an enormous patriarchy, they aren't going to sell out themselves for the benefit of their children. If there's anything that you can count on the Chinese for, it's their ability to see disaster coming, and move their children in the way so as to absorb all of the blast.
Varg? He only murdered a guy. In Norway, it is not considered terribly serious for a murderous arsonist to preach violent racist fascism to impressionable youths in the form of music.
>>20480331"China. They dont have 2 fucks to rub together. And that is why they are humanities last best hope for space travel."And then they built a space station, the last of the great Bangkok space stations, and our last, great hope, for peace.BANGKOK FIVE.
>>20480331Manned missions are completely pointless anyway, dude. You don't run them for anything but for the propaganda value. If you just want to run tests on some planet, you're better off stuffing the space a crew and its life-support system would take full of robots and MORE automated testing equipment.Even colonizing mars would be nothing but PELT IT WITH TERRAFORMING DRONES for a few hundred years.Right now there are zero reasons to ship any more meat through space.
>>20480338Not exactly. More that we have to be willing to risk our lives to succeed at exploration. If the space program had ceased after Apollo 1, Neil wouldnt have had a chance to step on the moon. Everyone in that tine can knew that a small defect could claim their lives in an instant, but they also knew that what they did was important. The chinese understand that space is important for the future. They are ruthless, and i believe they will achieve thier ends no matter what. Whereas i keep hearing reports of manned mars missions being politically infeasible in the united states due to the potential "1 way trip".So while i dont like how callous china is with human life, i believe that their attitude will aid them in space exploration.
>>20480200Being Spanish i'd love this but... have we even launched a single satellite or anything?
>>20480371Put meat into space, you get better at safely putting meat into space. This is kind of a necessary thing to work out if our species is to survive in the long term.
>>20480385That is the sort of thing that I feel can wait until we have a place to actually send meat to. We are so far from that stage in the process that it doesn't bear consideration at this juncture.
>tfw Britain has the second largest aerospace industry in the world
>>20480377>They are ruthless, and i believe they will achieve thier ends no matter what.The Yellow Menace has existed for almost two centuries now and still hasn't happened. China won't be nothing but a regional power because, even compared to USA, it's fucking autistic. Chinese space exploration? Not going to happen. I'm afraid USA is our only hope.
>>20480384Yeah, a few, but which country hasn't? No, no, we should've tied an Extremeño or a Riojano to one of them before launch and claim the Heavens for the Spanish Crown. Our ancestors no doubt hold us in contempt.I'm sure England is to blame.
We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for the journey and waved goodbye and "slipped the surly bonds of earth" to "touch the face of God."
>>20474336You can't have babies in space because embryos don't develop correctly without a gravity equal to earth's. You'd need to simulate earths gravity and that will never happen on the moon. Maybe we'd be ok on Mars...
>>20480377There's a difference between 'sacrifice for the greater good' and 'sacrificing others for the greater good'. I'm all behind the idea of people being willing to give everything for a great cause, but the difference is that they chose to, rather than being pushed into it.> Yeah, I decided to namefag again, what of it?
Haven't this posted
>>20480385>Put meat into space, you get better at safely putting meat into space.Not really, no. It isn't a matter of practice. It's a matter of that humans are shit at surviving in space and will be for as long as we don't have the necessary infrastructure.
>>20481283The way technology is going I think it's legitimate to ask whether it's more practical to get better at putting meat into space, or to not make our astronauts out of quite so much meat.
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>>20481328There is always an incompressible. Humans need space, light, food, water, air and companionship. They also need to excrete and shit like that. We really aren't adapted to space.
>>20480692not ironic manly tears.
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>>20480692That made my whole body tingle.
>>20481328we are too well adapted for gravity. space belongs to robots. hopefully, someday we can turn ourselves into robots or make robots as smart as we are.
>>20481698Hopefully, robots will be able to build us habitats.>send a handful of von Neumann machines>get delivered a fully functioning habitat 200 years later
>>20481698hopefully, not far from now we will have the tech to make it all a non-issue. Dyson spheres of love for everyone!yes, i am massively optimistic about technological progress.
Holy shit. I checked wiki, insipired by the topic, and it turns out poland can into space. Well..it can small satellites into space- a test-satellite was launched on the maiden voyage of new european rocket (Vega) with goal to see how to safely de-orbit satellites and other junk into atmosphere. And in sept. "Lem" (best name ever) will be launched as part of the BRITE project, and they're already planning on another one. It might not be much by standards of US or France with their own cosmodromes, but fuck yeah, we can into more than vodka!
>>20470905Fuck you, Rick Berman
Even the name of the track fits.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_PdpRLMvCQ
>>20481894Poland is one the more entrepreneurial European countries. It's right between the fairly slow-paced German EU and the kleptocracies of the former Soviet Union. So it might be positioned to be a major player in this next phase of private space industry.Fuck you, guy who wrote that "Polack flies to the sun at night" joke. How you like dem apples?
>>20476374>>20476380http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wupToqz1e2g
>>20481894Poland's place over the dubious Swede is now assured in the book of history.Poland CAN into space!
>>20470685http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rXtG3vfAlAWatching a rocket launch in person is one of those things that will instantly make you a proponent for Space Exploration.
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this thread makes me both happy and sad...and just a little bit proud that i get to spend time with you guys
I want to throw something out there.Imagine Neil DeGrasse Tyson at a conference of some sort.Imagine him telling you that the government has abandoned the people and their dreams.Imagine him telling you that there was a group, independent of nation, religious creed, or race, that had a plan to put a base on the moon in the next 10 years, with Humans only going on the tenth year, when the base was complete and operational.All it needs is funding.Now look at how much nerds threw at Reaper for figs, or Double Fine for an adventure game.Imagine, my friends.Imagine Kickstarting the first lunar base.
Have some OCWe encountered the first of them in a warm, wet world orbiting a small yellow star, in a previously unexplored sector of space.. They didn't seem to have the population for the tech base they posessed, yet there they were, launching orbital craft almost daily and even sending crwewed missions to some of the neighboring bodies. But as we spoke to them for the first time, we learned that this was not their home. They told us of a planet long lost, of a pale blue dot suspended in a sunbeam. A planet many groups had fled in the wake of a final, fiery war. A planet they no longer knew the location of. osing a homeworld was not unusual in the galaxy (the minor races affected by the Wars of the kla-keen spring to mind), but for a homeworld to not only be rendered uninhabiatble but truly *lost* was remarkable. Still, we uplifted them and they took their place amongst the galactic community.
>>20486780But even after uplift, their thoughts and actions were continually focused on their lost world. For such a small race, they had the highest spending per capita on exploration than any other race, even more so than the nomadic barshan. It was in these expeditions that they found more of their kind than we had thought possible. Most were like the first group we had found, a group of a few million on a relatively habitable world just starting to reach space. These, also like the first, knew of the homeworld lost, and also put everything they had into finding it. Some other groups hadn't even rediscovered technology, telling stories of the legendary world from whence they came while huddled around fires. These groups, unlike many who are encountered in their primitive cycle, showed no shock or surprise, merely nodding when told of the galaxy at large, as if they already knew of their shared heritage with the other humans they spoke to. Even they, without the benefits of technology, had strained to find the pale blue dot in their skies.
>>20486790Curious about this part of humans, I spoke to the human abassador at length. I asked why finding their homeworld was so important to them, and why every disparate group they found, no matter how different, knew and spoke of this homeworld even after the centuries they must have been away from it. The ambassador looked at me for a moment and said "Because, Ambassador Kosh, every one of them knows that no matter what other forms of life there are and might be, the only human beings in all the universe come from Earth." Years turned to decades and the humans still searched. But no progress was made. Though they found dozens of lost human worlds, none, the humans said, was Earth. I'm uncertain as to how they could know this, yet somehow they did.
>>20486803A human survey ship searching for colonizeable worlds came across a garden world in an uncharted system. This was good for their investors, naturally, and so they began to survey nearby rocky bodies, as a garden planet with nearby sources of fusion fuels is valuable indeed. This planet in particular had a unusually large rocky moon, almost a quarter of its size. It, indeed, had large deposits of helium-3, as well as trace amounts of water ice. But that was not the real treasure they found on that moon. The remains of a small, primitive craft lay next to a smattering of equipment and a piece of colored cloth attached to a pole. The craft seemed to be the remains of a landing vehicle of some sort. As the surveyors approached the alien vessel, they saw an inscription on one of the legs. "HERE MEN FROM THE PLANET EARTH FIRST SET FOOT UPON THE MOON JULY 1969, A.D. WE CAME IN PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND"
>>20486725I have just over two hundred thousand dollars in a college trust fund that was recently transferred to my name.There's no way I'm going to spend 200 grand finishing college, and the remainder will be more than I would ever want or need.It would be nothing next to the literal BILLIONS of dollars such an endeavor would require, but I would give them every penny.
A micro-nation. An island in a calm sea.Upon it is a single city... and Earth's first spaceport.Founded not by thousands crammed into ship holds, or by migrating tribes, but by the dollars and rubles and euros of every man woman and child tired of asking for space.A nation founded on the DEMAND for discovery and exploration.From the millions pouring in anonymously from the worlds wealthiest to the pennies mailed in an envelope by a six year old girl, all given freely by those who are tired of waiting and bickering, and who know we must go now, or risk digging our own graves.
I am Collins.From my position in the moon's orbit, I watched Armstrong and Aldrin land and walk on the surface.I was so close to the ground of the moon, and yet I returned without having trod upon it...I am Collins.
>>20487596I need to finish that series.
>>20487621It is a good series.The ending is a bit underwhelming though, when compared to the first arcBut all in all its a really good read
>>20487658>>20487621Which series?
>>20489090http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_CollinsYou should be able to figure this out.
>>20489225Gah-ha! Found it.Also, It would be amazing just to travel in space, let alone set foot on another world. I'd feel privileged just going up. Not to say Collins would be wrong to be disappointed or a bit bitter.
>>20489405Interestingly, he didn't feel that way at all. He's quite the guy.
>>20489464Neither would I because hey, "I went to space".
