I promised everyone I would be on here today, so without further wasted breath.... Its Game of Thrones Quest! Grab your blades, tankards, and purses of coin, because we have a lot to get done today.

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>Crunch: Current Population: 6154.

Current Stats:
Defense - 3
Influence - 42
Lands - 0
Law – 54
Population - 31
Power – 3
Wealth - 1

Saltmouth is currently working itself as hard as ever... It is, after all, becoming a city due to our careful stewardship and wise economic policies. The castle is being hurriedly upgraded, while construction on the silos, sept, villa, and market all continue apace. The city is better defended than it was, and the men on the isles off the coast are prepared to return home at your word.

Right as I checked /tg for it, wow

Can we talk to Ser Ben Cargill about his asshole Fiance assassinating brother and whether or not he may target Crane? also Should make another visit to Lady Jeyne sometime in the future?

In other News: when is the huge fuckoff tournament? 4 months from now?

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Currently, however, you have more pressing matters. The Cargill contingent is still within your walls. They leave tomorrow morning, and you note that you still have a bit to talk about as you roll out of bed.

Breaking your fast on fatty, blackened sausages, thick slices of wheat bread, several pats of salty butter, a mug of hearty beer, and two sweet, ripe pears from Cargill orchards, you review a small drawing of the Arbor that was given to Coyle by a trade captain from Ryamsport. You cannot help yourself from noting the fine, fertile lands that will be yours upon the death of Lord Pason... The current Lord Redwyne has been a fair and generous lord, and his passing would sadden you greatly. But a tiny, insistent, greedy voice in the back of your mind cannot help but note how well Honeyhall would do under your rule.

Shaking your head, you pull on a quilted doublet over a shirt of white linen and strap your sword belt around your waist.

>Wat to do this morning?

>>20210468

Good timing Princely, I just got on to check. Didn't the Cargill's leave already near the end of the lifeboat thread?

>>20210447
The Oldtown Tourney is set to begin in seven months... It is a little inconvenient for you, as you will have to cross the Redwyne Strait during the winter, but it won't be dangerous or anything. Just bumpy. On the upside, it gives you and your knights plenty of time to practice, and plenty of time for your port officials to collect the tax you will need to entice mainland knights into your service.

As for the Lady Jeyne... You could visit her whenever you feel the urge. She is, normally, rather happy to have guests of your stature. Besides, lord's gold spends just as good as smuggler's gold. She wouldn't mind that a bit.

>Can we talk to Ser Ben Cargill about his asshole Fiance assassinating brother and whether or not he may target Crane?
This also wouldn't be a bad idea... We would just need to do it with a bit of tact.

>>20210519
Yes, they did. My mind is shit. I thought we were two days early in the timeline... Because that is the kind of day today is.

>So what to do today, fellows? Vote it up.

>>20210525
Then perhaps we can pull Ben Cargill aside well after breakfast but before lunch. Remark on how the young Veronica had mentioned being cursed, laugh it off and then say that its probably something else. Then we'll be able to find out what the first thing to come to his mind of possible alternatives is.

Now that we have most of our shit sorted, I think it's a good time to start doing a bit of snooping in regards to the circumstances surrounding the deaths of Veronica's various suitors. I'm a Dalyna supporter, but we might as well be aware of all of our options here.

>>20210577

Can you give us a list of things happening in the future. I remember that the Redwynes will visit us soon and there is that tournament to prepare for. What else is on Karban's busy plate?

>>20210577
I think we should have a talk with Ben Cargill first. Meet him for breakfast, ask if he knows anything about the supposed curse on the Cargill family.

>>20210577
Well if the Cargills are gone then there is no rush. We should see how the squires are doing, you mentioned that they weren't getting along. We could then check in on Lady Jeyne once they're occupied.

>>20210597
Good idea. Here is the recap:
>Winter is coming, and our storehouses are being built to accept excess from the harvest. We are well into autumn, and this will be the last harvest before winter comes. All signs point to a normal, reasonable winter, however.

>Paxter and Dalyna will be swinging by after the harvest on their way to Oldtown. The Clawwater girls will be going with, so that Dalyna will be able to have a vacation and social outing. They will also stop by, for an afternoon, on their way back.

>The daughter of the Bulwer's will be visiting as well... But probably after the visits of the Redwyne siblings.

>Oldtown Tourney. Big fucking prize... And the ability to meet other folks, look at unsworn knights, and find new men is as big a draw as the huge stack of dragons promised for the winner.

>>20210594
Not a bad idea.

>>20210671

I know this has been thrown around before, but how about we write a letter to Robert giving him an open invitation to Saltmouth.

Should say something about that now we've recovered from a minor face injury we'd love to have his hospitality if he feels like drinking the arbor dry and seeing if our women are as good as our wine.

>>20210671
Another idea: I think it's time to make some big friends, if at all possible. Robert Baratheon took a great liking to us, so let's pen a letter to him inviting him to come over to Saltmouth in the event that he wishes to drink the Arbor dry and see if the women are as good as the wine.

I'd also like to set up a small tourney to that effect, since we need to practice anyway for the Oldtown one.

If we win the Oldtown tourney, we have a golden opportunity, gentlemen. If we win, we can name /anyone/ the Queen of Love and Beauty, and thus win ourselves a wife from almost fucking anywhere.

We must do this.

Damnit, it starts a half hour before work? Oh well, better live it up while I can. Good to see you again, Princely!

>>20210721

Maybe set up a small event for when the Redwynes come to town. Should mention it to Robert in the letter. That man loves jousts. Also if we do that we should send invites to all of our neighbors and other houses as well.

>>20210780
Lets also put say 1000 dragons up for the purse.

>>20210780
>>20210820

Agreed on both.

>>20210834
Should we really run a tournament right before the mother-of-all tournaments? Anything we do will be overshadowed by the one in four months time.

I'm not saying this is a bad idea, I just think its a better idea to throw it later. That way we can invite promising knights we met at the Rhaegars tourney.

>>20210872
Well just before is the point. We want to entice Robert here early and get everybody in the Arbor really pumped up for the huge one.

>>20210906
But if we host it after the event, that will mean that famous knights from across the entirety of Westeros are already in the general area. So we'll have some really heavy hitters attending for a fairly small cost.

>>20210706
>>20210629
>>20210601
Rising from your solar, you pen a quick note to draft up a letter to Lord Robert Baratheon... You will get it done sometime before you go to sleep.

Ser Ben Cargill is serving his turn training the guardsmen in the yard of the keep. They will be equipped just as the other half, and Ser Ben is as talented a spearfighter as you have ever known. You watch him for a while, and examine his technique. The guardsmen are learning rather quickly, which is a good thing. The patrols could use the relief.

When he is done, you toss him a pear as he towels off sweat and gets out of his worn gloves. You walk with him along the outer wall, discussing his new squire and the visit from his family. When you broach the idea of the curse, he laughs a pretty dark laugh. "I don't believe in curses, my lord. But there is something going on there... Three men? No coincidence can be used to explain that. I know you must first think of my cousin, but that.... I believe such things to be beyond him."

Hey all, just a reminder that the House Karban Steam Group is hosting a chat for this quest. It's a public group so anyone can join. Search "House Karban" under the Community tab on Steam.

>>20210954
Fair point I concede.

>>20210970

Hey. Hey Princely.

Blue Balls.

>>20210970
Is his cousin Neissen or the head of the Western Cargills?

>>20210970
Ask him about her mother. As I recall, Veronica's mother seemed pretty hostile to you and to others she believed to be suitors.

Perhaps there's some bitterness there or something? Could it be that she's responsible, rather than the other Cargill branch?

>>20210996
Yes, we all know we want to get it in Veronica. Or Dalyna. Or HDW. Or anything with a pulse.

>>20210780
>>20210820
>>20210872
Hosting a tourney of our own is a fine idea... However, we run into several problems. Hosting a tourney before the Oldtown one has problems with attracting quality riders, since everyone is going to be resting up and preparing for Oldtown. Hosting one afterwards would put our tourney squarely in the winter... Which is just a huge pain in the ass.

Besides, on top of all that? We don't have 1000 dragons in the vault right now... Well. not in Saltmouth. Clawwater Keep has a small fortune tucked away in the tunnels, but our treasury currently contains 800 or so dragons, and a small chest of silver stags... perhaps three hundred or so in number.

Well The two main Suspects are Neissen and the Great uncle who heads the western Cargills yeah?

ask about them and the mother.

Hey princely did you finish a new pastebin of upgrades/mechanics/etc or is the one from the last thread still current?

>>20211031
Wasn't there a doubt about whether Veronica was Lady Cargill' daughter or not ?
The three daughters look rather different if I recall.

Let's not do the tourney. We need to continue upgrading our new acquisitions...

>>20211118
A fishing warf on the islands was on the list IIRC.

>>20211084
Yeah, let's hold off on the tourney then until we've got the sept and the other upgrades complete.

We should still see if we can bro it up with Baratheon though in the meantime. Also, is Crane considered the steward/master of the Clawwater isles or an actual lord? How would we go about making him a true bannerman?

>>20211084
Hey, I'm just saying you promised us some lust tavern wench action last thread. Anyhow's I have to head to work now. Any and all actions that lead to Karban getting some have my vote in absentia.

>>20210970
Well the two main suspects are Neissen and the head of the other Cargill family. Veronica's mother is a vague possibility but I'm really not feeling her as the culprit.

Ask for more details on all of them, we need more information.

>>20211139
>>20210780
Maybe we can set up a big hunt, if we can't entice robert with a tourney that could entertain him.

How is the hunting done around here ? Is it a privilege ? Do we have someone that administrate it all ?

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>>20211084
>Yes, we all know we want to get it in Veronica. Or Dalyna.
I, for one, want both.
Veronica as a wife, Dalyna as a mistress.

>>20211084
Did we have a summary of the prospects that sent us letters from the last thread?

>>20211031
>>20211025
Ser Ben talks in between bites of the sweet fruit. "Neissen is... ambitious. And impatient. But the calculated, precise murder of those three men? That would be a side of him I don't know." You spend more time talking, and learning about the Cargill family.

The eastern branch of the House has the main line (to which the girls belond) that rules the house, with three branches that are related to them. Ser Ben and Ser Laurence belong to different branches, as Neisson belongs to the last. Ser Stephon and his son, Lucas, belong to the same branch as Ser Laurence. While the main line has no males besides the current Lord Cargill, men abound in the other, outer branches.

As for the western Cargills? There are many potential inheritors, but none who would rule long... The western branch has a serious lack of fresh blood, with the youngest male heir in his late thirties.

I think we should spend more time with the girls. How long have they been here ?
I wanted to play princess maker, thinking that we would fill their lives better than Dalyna could, but we left them on their own in our castle since we brought them here. They must be bored out of their mind.
What are they doing of their days ?

If i read this, i will never ever leave...
WHAT DO

>>20211283

I agree we should take a more active role in their development, but right now I think we're waiting until their anger/sadness fades a bit...

>>20211100
Trying to finish it up now. Hope to have the full rough draft posted by tonight.

>>20211150
This.... Is fair motivation.

>>20211213
Our lands aren't really great for hunting... But it is great for hawking. The Northwood on Portain's land has boar and deer in great numbers, but the deer on our lands are crafty, hidding well in dells and small copses of trees. But our orchards, fields, and rivers offer plentiful opportunities for raptors to claim small game and birds.

>>20211255
We have a meeting with the Bulwer's daughter as she swings through the town on her way to Ryamsport, we were invited to see the Bulwers at their seat. The Cuys sent us a letter, as did the Woodwrights. Additionally, more letters should kind of be expected.

>>20211259
Yeah, I could see the Western Cargills doing this and trying to get control of the whole area.

Ask Ben what he knows about Veronica's mother, aside from her losing her first three children.

>>20211255

House Cuy to visit them and see their daughter.

Alysanne Bulwar, the Lady of Blackcrown, has also writen to us concerning a visit.

The Costayne's have written you to ask if perhaps you would enjoy a hunting trip on their lands, which is interesting as they have a daughter of seven and ten who is said to be rather beautiful.

The Woodwrights also write about a potential hawking expedition, and perhaps a feast or two in their keep...They too have a daughter.

The niece of Lady Bulwar is also visiting the Arbor for her aunt, and is writing to let us know she will be expecting our hospitality upon her visit.

>>20211283
The girls are totally useless to us, man. We can't marry them off to anyone, because they have no political worth or skill. Even if we did marry them, it wouldn't matter to us because it'd create absolutely zero dynastic ties with House Karban itself.

I say we just try to keep them entertained for now and then hand them off to Dalyna permanently when she swings by. No doubt she can handle their affairs better than we can. Princess Maker won't work if the girls aren't princesses.

>>20211328
I don't know exactly how long it's been, but I think it's time to give them things to do, besides studying.
Let them be angry, it's healthy. And it makes them more interesting to deal with than resignation.

>>20211283

Lets leave them be. The youngest one is starting to open up to our young squire. We'll let them sit for the most part until Dalyna shows up then we can unload them onto her. It was a mistake taking them in the first place, they're useless to Karban. It was pretty out of character as well.

>>20211329

It seems like we won't get much more info without some skullduggery...Let's visit Lady Jeyne and hit some tavern wenches while we're out...

>>20211418

I think we already asked Jeyne about the Cargills the first time we were there. She didn't know much if I recall.

>>20211364
>The girls are totally useless to us, man.
If we consider that they're only good for sealing alliances, sure. But that's a very narrow-minded view.
We can make valuable humans out of them. We can keep them around as friends or as employees, but ideally as both.

>>20211283
>>20211328
The girls spend their mornings (normally) in prayer and reading after they finish their first meal. They attend lessons with the squires in the afternoon, and in the evening they normally hang around the singers and musicians who pass through your halls. While they don't lack for potential social interaction, they are withdrawn and quiet... Maybe if there were some more lasses about? But if you were to hand them off to Dalyna when she visits, that wouldn't be viewed as a social failing or anything like that... They are of the age where time at court, and time among girls of their age and station, would do them well. Also, Paxter would appreciate some more ladies that he could marry off to important knights when he granted them holdfasts or stewardships.

>>20211418
Time to visit our local information broker?

>>20211433

We have a goddamn town to run, we have more important things to do then making "friends" out of the daughters of people we've killed and ousted from power.

>>20211433
We're the lord of several towns and a castle now, we don't have the time to play teacher to a pair of girls who may or may not prove useful in the future. We're doing something totally pointless for absolutely no reason, and there's no reason we should continue it. Just offload them on Dalyna and have done with it.

>>20211384
>It was pretty out of character as well.
We have diverging ideas of Karban's character, then.
I don't think that our man only cares about things that can increase his power.

What was the idea behing taking the Cawwater girls in in the first place ? I can't think of any good reason for that.

Let's hand them off to Dalyna when she pass by Saltmouth.

>>20211438
I think it is time to visit Lady Jeyne. We need more information and I'd like to forge a stronger relationship between us.

We have a lot to offer and she is aware of this. I think that convincing her to work with us in a more permanent sense could be done, though we still shouldn't trust her to do anything other than work in her own interests.

>>20211474
>>20211456

We should consult the girls' opinions on this. If they want to leave, we'll help them. If they don't, we'll figure something out...

>>20211492
A noble but ultimately mistaken belief that we were responsible for them because we upended their lives so drastically.

>>20211490

Karban is a man who see's things from every angle. He figures out what the game is and then uses his knowledge to win. These girls cannot help us gain power, prestige, or alliances. They are from a politically perspective useless.

Also while Karban may be kind hearted, taking the girls in was anything but. We are a walking reminder of what happened to their families. If we gave them to Dalyna in the first place it would have been kinder to them.

>>20211474
>>20211456
We do have time.
We don't seek power just to allow us to seek more power so that we can seek more power, etc, in an absrud and empty spiral.
We want power so that we can do whatever we want to do, and follow our whims when they come. And that includes playing around with the daughters of our dead ennemies, just for fun.

>>20211513

Yeah, let's go visit the lady. Hopefully she has more info than last time...and if she doesn't at least she can point us at some wenches...

>>20211529
>>20211534
I agree fully, though it seems like one guy is determined to play his Princess Maker

>>20211555
It's neither fun nor rewarding, though. It'd be kinder to palm them off on Dalyna, really, as I'm sure she'd be able to provide for them an even better opportunity for the future than we can. We can't trust them, we'll never be able to trust them: we're responsible for the death and exile of most of their immediate family.

We can't keep these two little pets of ours. It's not healthy, nor is it necessary.

>>20211574
Oh great idea, give the information broker information about when and where Karban likes his women. That'll never backfire in a million billion years.

Besides, that implies Karban can't find his own women.

How about we put off the decision to hand them off or not until after they've spent some time with Dalyna? We can ask them if they want to stay or not at that point and they will have a better idea of their options...

>>20211534
>They are from a politically perspective useless.
But why would Karban care ? He's not only a political animal.

>>20211521
Well they probably want to leave. They don't like us for good reasons, and we did nothing to make them like the place or their lives here yet.
I think we should start by talking with them about their situation and their plans for the future, without telling them to choose dalyna or us.

>>20211614

Sorry, just trying to keep the quest moving along instead of being stuck in endless discussions...=P

>>20211634

Way to ignore everything else in my post. Karban loves figuring out the games being played and how to win them. These girls will never win us anything except a dagger in the back.

Anyways lets stop this for now, we can't do anything about them currently. Lets get back on task and visit Lady Jeyne.

You slip out of the castle that afternoon through the river gate, in a small rowboat with Iylaria, Reff, and Cress. Salt-stained and well-worn cloaks go over everyone's outfits, helping you to blend in on the cloudy day and conceal your blades. The walk from the docks to the winesink is a short, simple matter. You and the Guard you brought along with you slip effortlessly through the cloud, and find yourself in the well-worn taproom in just a few moments.

Iylaria passes some coins to a barmaid, and your party is motioned upstairs, where you find Jeyne eating a meal of sliced fowl, roasted turnips, spiced vegetables, and a bowl of sliced, honeyed fruits. She stops eating as you enter. "My lord, it is good to see you again. You know I always look forward to our meetings.... Here, sit. Have some wine, or perhaps some duck? Meriam can get you some from the kitchens, if you would like." You slip into a chair as Cress lays a small, heavy purse down on the table and drifts into the shadows. The small attic room is comfy and warm, with shadows everywhere... It is literally the perfect location for such a meeting. The creaking wooden floorboards, plastered walls, and well-scrubbed furniture give the feeling that this place has existed for centures.

Just putting in another vote for giving the girls to Dalyna when she arrives - they're clearly not enjoying it here, we don't get any benefit from them and I really don't think it's in character

>>20211634
Okay how about this, explain what perspective you see them as useful to us. for them it'd be best to be sent off to Paxters court where they'd be with like minded women as well as marriage prospects here. There is nadda.

Moving away from that yes lets go see Lady Jeyne and if she has any information in regards to the Cargills, we can also ask of goings on within our holldings that we might not be aware of. Remember we only broke the Clawwater case through luck and because not all lands are well watched. Let us not have ours be one of them.

>>20211687

Ask her if she's heard any new information on the Cargills. Should be a good idea to find out if there is anything going on in our lands we might not have heard of. Rumors from the mainland would be helpful as well.

>>20211687
Things to ask;
Suspicious goings on within our lands, rumours concerning our other marriage prospects and information on the Cargill murders.

>>20211734

Agreeing with getting more info on our other marriage prospects

>>20211687
Which one is Cress?

It's lovely to see you again Lady Jeyne.

Things to ask about, the "curse", if there's anything going on in our own lands, information on the Bulweks, the Lady of Blackcrown, and the Costeynes, especially information they don't want people to know and keep quiet.

Jeyne palms the small purse deftly as you ask your question. "The Cargills again, my lord? It is good you have come to me. Your previous questions alerted me to your... needs, in this matter. I have been listening, /very/ intently, to any news from your neighboring lords." She pauses to sip her wine, and you taste the glass that she had brought to you. It is a fine, dry Dornish vintage, and you are pleasantly surprised that she would bring out the good stuff.

"The young Neisson Cargill is to be riding in the Oldtown Tourney, but that should not surprise you... I would assume you and your knights would be riding as well. What you should note is that he intends to take much of his families gold with him, to buy the services of freeriders and landless knights. For what purpose he is gathering swords, I haven't the faintest clue, my lord. But it is interesting, isn't it?" You nod, pondering it.

Jeyne continues. "As for the rest of the family, it seems there are rumors of wedding bells. The middle daughter is rumored to have a paramour of some kind. I haven't heard a name mentioned yet, my lord, but such a thing would surely make the Arbor a more interesting place.... Especially this corner of the Arbor."

>>20211687
Asking her about any rumor on the Cargill daughters and their potential legitimacy problem? Any chance they could be born out of wedlock?

>>20211613
It's not healthy to try and seduce both our neighbour's daughter and our lord's sister either, nor is it necessary.
I personally find it fun, though we didn't start yet. As for being kind, I don't think so. The life of two noble born sisters striped of everything they had will not be very enjoyable. At least if it stays the regular course. The older will quickly be married off to some guy she doesn't love, and probably won't come to love later on, to serve him in bed and in mundane affairs, and produce his children. The younger one will follow suit a few years after, but will enjoy to be separated from her last family member, and stranded in a court of strangers. Also, they'll probably never meet their brothers again.
Only Karban would be willing to secure what's left of their family, and offer them the chance to live an interesting life.
>>20211600
I wasn't here for the (almost?) unanimous vote in favour of taking the girls with us.

>>20211767
Cress is a fine fighter with a streak of occasionally-suicidal bravery. He is one of the newest, youngest members of the Steel Guard, but he has acquitted himself these last three years.

>>20211784
When you ask about the daughters, Jeyne just smiles. "I have heard that many, many people wonder the same thing. The Cargill daughters are as different as the seasons... Many, in years previous, had spoken of such things in hushed whispers. Lord Cargill has stomped out such rumors, however. It is said that he had the tongues torn out of several bards and minstrels who implied infidelity between him and his lady wife. No one has anything to suggest such a thing besides the color of the girls hair, so those tales have disappeared as the years have gone on."

>>20211787
But all of what you just said is wrong. So there.

Fuck yeah! GoT quest ... and I'm actually here for a discussion aboutthe Clawwater girls.

I had to head off to work last time we started to discuss this but personally I thought it was a bad idea from the beginning. I doesn't feel like Karban's style to me, they're pretty useless and I just find the idea of PrincessMaker a pretty boring one so whenever Dalyna get's here remember there's an extra vote for getting rid of her in case I have to head to work again

>>20211668
I ignored it because it isn't relevant.
>Karban loves figuring out the games being played and how to win them
Is that so ? What does this change ? Do you think it means he doesn't like anything else ? That he wouldn't enjoy making his own game ?
Once again, grabbing more power is not the only thing on his mind. The girls aren't a step to the iron throne, yes, and it doesn't matter.

>we can't do anything about them currently
Well, we can. I think a long talk with them about their future is in order. See >>20211787.
We should explain to them their situation, our position and our role in what happened to them and will possibly happen later, and the opportunities that are still open to them.

>>20211837

Oh shit, oh shit. No way are we going to marry a Cargill as of right now. If we marry one and it turns out that she is illegitimate, there go our claims to the Cargill land. Besides, it could be the suitor of the middle child who is murdering Veronica Cargills suitors. I know, cause i did the exact same thing in order to become king of a united Poland, Hungary, and Croatia in CKII. But why not Veronica? Maybe the dude loves the middle sister too much?

I don't think there would be an overt war among bannermen for Cargill lands, so what Neisson is doing is weird. Maybe he wants to start a mercenary company or something?


Dalyna seems like a much better option now.

>>20211837

Continue mining Lady Jeyne for info on mysterious Cargills' daugther suitor deaths and any treachery afoot in our own lands

>>20211899
The Suitor of the middle child is Ser Martin Crane, part of our Steel Guard. That's not the problem.

I agree that Neisson is being weird, he's up to something. I don't think it's a merc company but he might be trying to muscle himself into a better position in the Cargill family.

Ask about the various marriage prospects and whatever skeletons they have in their closets. Neissen is suspicious as fuck all get out right now, but we need more information which we simply don't have.

>>20211899
From an older thread :
>When asked about Lady Cargill, Lady Jeyne makes a face. "Poor thing... Did you know she lost her first three children? Two in the cradle, poor things, and the third was born dead. I don't know how a mother could handle such a thing. But now, she has those lovely daughters, yes? That should help heal those wounds."
Yeah, seems like something fishy is going on there. Thoses infidelity rumors could be baseless and Lady Cargill just more protective of her daughters than usual. Or it could be that something more sinister is afoot...

>>20211918

Damn, I forgot it was Ser Crane.

Still, if there was a suitor for the hand of the middle child who might not be well off, it would be feasible to marry the younger child and then have the older child die in an accident once the marriage was solidified. It is a pretty insidious way to rise in stature as fast as possible.

Maybe someone was thinking that, but Ser Crane upsets that plan? Neisson might be getting ready for the passing of lord Redwyne, and with a lot of troops he might be able to control the wine country in the center of the island. Once he controls that, he'll be in a pretty strong negotiating position for the entire Arbor and a lot of the Lords might back him. That would be crazy though unless we know more of the man and the lords.

I'd like to ask if she's heard about any criminals operating in our lands or the Arbor in general - no reason not to law & order a little boost

>>20211994
The old rumors of infidelity are troubling, but you don't think that the Lady Cargill would allow her husband to have a stable of bastards in his house. I mean, could you imagine a woman being forced to accept having such proof of her husband's infidelity? And the tragic story of her first children... It would strike you as very, very cruel of Lord Cargill to keep his bastards around when Lady Cargill's own children all died within the crib.
What questions do we have for Jeyne? I gotta toss some shit out really quick. Gimme ten minutes guys,

Alright, I think we can all agree that we don't want to get aboard the Great Tracts of Land train too quickly. Stay cautious, find out what we need to know about the other offers, schmooze everyone (esp Veronica and Dalyna) but don't make a more until it's safe

>>20212031

I wasn't implying that it was lord Cargill who was doing the infidelity.

>>20211899
>I don't think there would be an overt war among bannermen for Cargill lands
Sounds unlikely, because the aggressor would have to rebel against the Redwynes. Neisson can't be that guy. But he might know of someone who can, and is preparing himself to defend himself and to try to get a decisive role on Paxter's side.

>>20212031
But what if they were bastards on the part of the Lady

>>20212031
Information on the other families that have sent us letters, especially the Bulwars and the Costeynes.

If there is anything suspicious or otherwise strange going on under our noses in our own lands.

After the questions we should bring up the possibility of a more cemented and formal relationship. Not one publicly known or acknowledged of course.

>>20212062
I'm not sure we'll be able to know exactly what's going on in Cargill's hoouse without taking a few steps inside.

>>20212065
>>20212079
It makes sense if they're his bastards :
>Lady Cargill loing all her children
>Lord Cargill needs an heir because he doesn't want his lands to fall in the other branch's hands
>he bring his bastards in
>Lady Cargill put a brave face, she's raging inside
>plots the murder of Veronica's pretendants
>once her husband dies, she denounces the daughters as bastards
>all her husband work is crushed and the girls who took her children place have nothing
That's a little convoluted, but hey

>>20212031

Ask her which bannerman chafe under Redwyne rule the most, and which are incredibly ambitious to the point of folly.

Also, ask her if there are any men currently being entertained for the hand of Dalyna.

Ask her how much she knows about us as well. Anything she tells us might be useful in counterspying information.

Also, the cash underneath the main castle in Wavebreak islands. Make sure Ser Crane uses it well to expand the industry of the islands and the area. Tell him to focus on economic concerns first and foremost (expanding industry) then on military (naval is of primary importance). Quality over quantity is expected, unless you can get both.

>>20212123
It makes sense except for two things.
First, lady Cargill was not barren. Her children died in infancy, so she could have had more. Why would Cargill start having children with other women when this one is still available ?
Second, the Cargill daughters are daughters. If he fucked around to have heirs with the reluctant approval of his wife, why didn't he continue until he had a son ?

Fuck yes, just in time for GoT quest! *Squee!*

For the Clawwater girls, I propose that we have to find something for them to do and resolve their rather justified angst at having their remaining family scattered to the winds, otherwise any semblance of princessmaking would just fall flat and we would have to do the generally bad end thing and hand her off to Dalyna. Just saying.

>>20212189
We need to get an idea of what they're good at.

>>20212031

Ask the Lady Jeyne about the families who have expressed interested in Karban.

>>20212031
This too

>>20212079
>>20212065

Then it will never matter.

Think. Cargill has CRUSHED any accusations. He's defended them as his children. It doesn't MATTER if they're bastards, he says they're his. If they're the result of the wife being unfaithful, he'll never allow anyone to know.

Now, >>20212123 might be true, but I honestly suspect it's less villainous. The mother lost 3 children. Any suitor will coming to "Take" one of her babies. If she's killing men, it's a matter of crazy-mother syndrome. If not, then these deaths cannot be making her comfortable with men approaching her daughters.

...Damn it. Now I wish we had eyes in Cargill's court. Her reaction when she learns of the Crane/What'sHerName pairing would tell us volumes. We should ask Jeyne to get us some eyes for this event.

Also, we should offer the name of the middle daughter's suitor, for a price. Information flows both ways

>>20212181
The last child was born dead, perhaps there were complications and she turned barren after that?
As to why only girls, I don't know. Lord Cargill didn't have luck with his dicerolls.
Another reason to prevent a mariage is that should she denounce Veronica as a bastard child once her Lord is dead, she would have to face the opposition of the husband and his family who wouldn't be too keen to let go of the Cargill's land.
It's only speculation of course.

Whatever happened to House Bulwark Turtle Quest?

Sorry for off-topic, figured I might get an answer here.

I propose for the Clawwater girls that they simply make a choice. Tell them that if they choose to go with Dalyna, they can live in the court far from here but they will probably be married off as soon as they come of age, to people who may or may not care for them.

If they choose to stay here, you still live with me, a man who you blame for everything that has happened. However, I will make sure that you receive the best training in whatever you choose, that you still remain with your sister, and that if you should find a man that strikes your fancy that you will marry with a blessing and a large dowry. It is a good land here, with happy people. You should go out and meet with them.

In time, if you wish it, you can ask your brothers and me why all this happened. You may not believe what I say, but it will be the truth.

Maybe lady Cargill is murdering any soon to be son in law for fear of "losing" her daughter.

>>20212251

Seeing that we have little in the way of information about all the deaths surrounding the girls, and that that our vassal and bro is intent to marry one of said girls, this presents a golden (albeit risky) opportunity:

Use Ser Crane as bait. Catch the perpetrators in the act. Trace to the source. Deal accordingly.

>>20212310
I wonder if they blame us more than Paxter.

>>20212251

I was wondering, though. 3 dead children, but three daughters? Forgive me for being paranoid, but wasn't there a magic curse or something that someone used to brink someone back from the brink of death?

We should ask our maester (I forget his name, I am terrible with names) who has the linked chain for magic to see if there could be any spell where the children could have live, but lived with a curse.

>>20212343
Baits are useful when you can know when and where they'll be attacked.

>>20212370
Maester Ben doesn't have a link for magic. We happen to have a Valyrian Steel Pin because Pason Redwyne gave it to us and his Maester from way back when had one.

>>20212370

Pfffffffff magic. Next you will be speacking about dragons fighting krakens near the Arbor.

>>20212394

Oh, I thought he had a link for magic. My mistake then. Can anyone provide the pastebin link for the stat tables and people so I stop embarrassing myself?

>>20212370
From a meta-perspective, there are no dragons in Westeros at the moment, which means such magics would not be as strong as they are during the series.

In character? Magic, like giants, is one of those things that happen in stories, but not the real world.


Also, assuming we do marry the girl, and Cargill doesn't die until after Pason (the ailing Redwyne) it will be whoever's word against Lord Dustain Karban, Lord of Saltmouth and the Arbor Isles, Marshal of the Windingwater, personal friend to Lord Redwyne.

Who do we think can top that?

>>20212528
A coalition of Merrywind and Western Cargill could get some ideas, not that they would be smart ones.

How old is Cargill, by the way ?
We often talk about inheriting his lands like it was a formality after marrying his daughter, but if we need to wait 30 years we might as well forget about that.

>>20212584
Late 50's early 60's IIRC

>>20212528

Out of curiosity, what benefits would having "Marshal of the Windingwater" in our resume bring us and how does it scale against other Arbor-centric titles?

>>20212528

Well Veronica is still the best option for getting marry. I previously agree to wait until we got other options, and the ones we are getting aren't even in the same level as Veronica (huge tracks of land, heir to a rich house, not to mention quite fond of us). We should really go for it.

Valyrian Steel so how much are we talking about to get something made of it like a dagger or spear head ?

>>20212528

From a meta-perspective, wasn't Khal Drogo brought back from deaths door before the dragons were even reborn? Something similar could have happened for the Cargill daughters. But I'm not going to argue the point further. Magic would be pretty far-fetched in the scenario right now, and I agree with you.

>>20212707

A sword would cost about our entire lands worth plus a couple thousand. Also isn't the knowledge of making the metal lost? I am guessing that it has to be made from dragon-fire.

>>20212707
Hahaha, so much money it isn't even funny. Valyrian steel is passed down in swords through families, we don't have access to any.

>>20212707

I think it could be easier and cheaper to buy the weapon in question than buying the quantity needed to forge such a weapon since not many people know how to work valerian steel.

>>20212745
Blood magic does work better, but why would a blood mage be in the Arbor? Then again, there was one at Casterly Rock, so I guess it's possible, just unlikely.

>>20212745

Not to mention it could be 3 resurrections instead of 1.

>>20212707
How much would it cost to raise an army to plunder a great house's coffers ?
About the same price.

>>20212659

I disagree, now with Crane marrying her sister. We will get an alliance out of that alone, and we'd have to wait to get any tracts of land or money until her father died(but we're Karban, we make more money than most see in a lifetime).

Honestly now that Crane is getting the 2nd daughter Veronica is alot less appealing.

>>20212031

Does she have anything to say about things going on in our lands or the other potential women interested in us? I'm especially curious about the Bulwars.

>>20212850
An alliance ? We're already allied, we're sworn to the same lord.

>>20212850

Nope, it just makes our claim if he marry her more secure. Crane marrying the 2nd sister could mean an alliance by blood. Marrying Veronica means the lands, the castle and all incomes. After the father passes away of course but he is old and we could probably involve ourselves in the administration as soon as we are marry.

>>20212850
I still think she's the best option so far but I definately vote against making any move in the immediate future.

While we'd already have links to the family via Crane her land would be very useful ... when we finally get around to inheriting it.

What about our other major option though? What do we get from Dalyna? A competent political manueverer? Prestige? Nothing?

>>20212969

The name alone is enough to let us start working our Karban magic on the mainlands. Instead of shooting for king shit of the arbor we should shoot for king shit of westeros.

However I agree we wait. I personally think we shouldn't marry until our castle upgrade is finished, which will be in a few years.

>>20212969Dalyna

As much as I hate to admit it, she is beyond our reach. Her father and brother may like us but we are already their bannermen they have give us many lands already. She will probably marry to a house in equal standing to the redwynes.

>>20212994
Dalyna and Veronica won't wait for years.

>>20212994

In a few years the father may die and the cosin may make a move. Do we have a good reason to wait that long?

>>20213059
What about love ?

>>20213059

Why did Robert agree to marry Joffery to Sansa? Because they were bro's. Paxter doesn't seem to have the most shrewd political mind. Once his father is dead it wouldn't be beyond imagining that he would be willing to marry us to Dalyna.

>>20213147
yeah but thats cause they were both GREAT HOUSES Robert being king Nonwithstanding. The Starks had enough Prestige and power that it was a smart pairing anyway. as of now we are not particularly wealthy yet and have no land whatsoever.

>>20213059
She's beyond our reach now but we're Lord Karban ... give us a year and we'll be equal in standing to the Redwynes.

I'm not saying she'll be easy to get (or even that she's the best option) but definately don't discount her simply because you think we're too far below her.

You beautiful bastards! I've been following this quest from the beginning (via suptg due to work scheduling) and I've finally managed to catch the quest in action! Gotta say thanks to you gents, especially you, princely. The tale has been riveting thus far. Thanks for a great read.

>>20213147

Paxter is no fool man. Lets put it like this his family has intermarry with the other great houses for generations. If a Hightower or Floren or even a Tyrell asks for the hand of Dalyna their is no way we could compete against that. And if we try to intervene with the marriage we could piss Paxter and another powerful house.

>>20213237equal in standing to the Redwynes.

For that we could need to usurp the Redwynes themselves or marry the heir of a house of similar size which could be way more difficult then marrying Dalyna and could render the point moot.

>>20213117
Who do you think we are? Lord Byron?

>>20213570

If we were, we'd be running around with a tame bear in our castle.

>>20213668

And that would be a bad thing?

All in favour of buying a bear?

>>20213695

We should see if we can get an awesome exotic pet next time pocci or the other merchant is in town.

What about crocodiles? They're the most bad ass water animal I can think of. Or we could get a saltwater pool for sharks. Evil genius style.

After a minor electrical issue, I return. I beg apologies and forgiveness. To make up for it, we are gunna grind this shit out. Lets get down to it.

>>20212629
>>20212584
He is a robust 54, although at such an age, even a lord begins to feel it. yes, his diet and healthcare are infinately better than a peasants, but for the current era? He is heading downhill these days. And I don't mean sickly and weak, but each day, he wakes up with a few more pains.

>>20212707
>>20212750
There is enough Valyrian steel to make a pin, or a tiny butter knife. We have, so far, kept it as a pin because it is a sentimental token, and a unique piece of jewelry that has an incredible story. No one else has such a device, and it certainly catches the eyes of those who notice such things.

>>20213757

Welcome back, how do you feel about a tamed bear living in our castle?

>>20213786
Well it would be a useful ally...

Hmmmm considering that the Neissen is using the Tourney to gather sellswords, It might be prudent to move up the time table and get engaged to Veronica within the next six months. either we cut off his plans at the knees or both Crane and us getting married to the daughters shakes shit up enough to make him or whoever make a mistake. Just an Idea.

>>20213872
Yeah, let's not do that.

>>20213786
It is a fair plan... If we are able to ride it, it becomes a fucking awesome plan.

Jeyne can't speak to more about the whole "potentially illegitimate daughter" thing, She does, however, know a bit about the western branch. "The elderly Lord Cargill is swiftly approaching the Stranger on the road... While it is not spoken of, he cannot be long for this world. His wife is of the same age, and with his death, the control of the house will pass to...." She lets that hang in the air as she drinks her wine. The crackling of the small fire behind you is the only sound in the room. Her smile, as she starts speaking again, is a dark one. "Well, only the Seven know the answer to that. Second cousins, brothers-in-law, and distant nephews are set to argue over it. It is doubtful that it will end peacefully. At least a few Cargills will wind up buried because of this, I can promise you that."

>>20213872

Agree. Six months is enough time try to find a better option but not enough for old Cargill to die on us. It could be best if told Crane to wait until the then to make a formal proposal. I mean marrying two daughtersto landed lords in the same day will be a good deal for old Cargill he is likely to accept.s

>>20213954
Could.... could we just buy the cargills lands?

>>20213872
Let's not do that just yet. We ought to keep our options open until at least Castle Salt is complete or the tourney itself.

So that is what he is pulling all the sellswords for....he wants his great-uncles lands for himself cause he can't get eastern Cargill lands.

>>20213954
Is Neissen at all in the running for that position? Who are the primary candidates? Could the Eastern Cargills make a claim for ownership of those lands?

>>20213977

At least as long as the tourney, preferable until more of our projects are done and after we host our own tourney.

>>20213943Yeah, let's not do that

If you cant argue your point I don't see why we should do it.

>>20213999

Veronica can rule on her own if she can secure and keep it a firm hold on the lands. But I don't her capable to do that.

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>>20213742
A saltwater crocodile would also be acceptable, after all we are a naval house.

>>20214039
>>20213999

Also if we marry Veronica and Neissen or anyone else tries to dispute our claim Paxter could have the final word on the dispute, with Veronica having the strongest claim.

>>20213976

Too many and too expensive also its unlikely they could be willing to sell.

>>20214053

could keep it on the castle moat. Maybe change our sigil to have to a crocodile instead of a ship.

>>20214113

I don't know, if we offer them all a small portion of land and 30-40 crowns each I'm sure they'd be willing.

Boom instant banner houses.

>>20214053
This. I want us to be a paladin in full plate, ridding a croc. Why? FUCK YOU. That's why.

>>20213999
>>20213989
Pondering that yourself, Jeyne seems to read your mind. "Who knows, my lord. The succession will become complicated and bloody as fast as it can. If the young Neisson would endeavor to make such a play for power, it would catch the western branch of the family off guard, to be sure... If he had a force of knights at his back, with the loyalty of the western knights in question, things could swing in his way. Perhaps he would just play kingmaker, taking concessions from the victory by marching his army home?"

>>20214113
Buying land from other noble families can be really, really expensive. Normally, you can only get away with such stuff when the family is in crisis... If they have any kind of time to really ponder it, it is unlikely they will decide that the gold is better than land. You might be able to pressure them into it, but such a plan is risky.

>>20214053

Holy shit, crocodiles jump? Why has nobody told me this.

Wait, why not train the bear for the jousting?

Also, discussion is still going on on the Steam group chat.

>>20214180
Sounds like we need to start putting more points into power.
IIRC you said something about peasant levy building of population instead of power ... how quickly can we raise a levy and how much can we reduce our population without getting hit with penalties?

>>20214180

I know I maybe pushing marry Veronica too much but if we marry her and make ourselves ready before her father dies Neisson couldn't be able to make his move.

>>20214237

Why not do the discussion here? Then it gets recorded in the archives and people without steam can take part.

>>20214260
It costs 2 Population to raise a unit of levies, and takes nearly a month to train them. They are equipped with basic kit, and are normally led by a cadre of experienced warriors. They are good for filling out a force, but they really shouldn't be counted on.

>>20214273
This is true.

>>20214180
I think this pretty much covers the information she has for us on the Cargills.

See if she knows anything sensitive about the families who just sent us letters, especially the Bulwars, the Lady of Blackcrown in specific and the Costaynes.

>>20214339

Does she know anything of the families that talked to us?

How about things going on in our own territory we might not be aware of?

>>20214180

Clearly, we should wait until the players in any kind of Cargill succession war emerge to the fore.

We should remember that we are a bannerhouse ourselves - Lord Redwyne will crack down on this kind of bullshit immediately, and we're expected to fall in line.

In fact, the best thing we can do is actively prevent any Cargills from coming to actual blows, some deft political maneuvering is required, methinks.

>>20214273
He's not liable to drop any time soon. Complete waste to marry her at this point.

>>20214421

Did you not read this?

>>20213757He is heading downhill these days

Or >>20214339This is true?

so would it be possible to fund a voyage to old Valyria ? it would be something to do during winter before the war and after the Tourney then we could fled the Valyrian guard a force clad in Valyrian armor and weapons.

There is another option: Let the Cargills fight it out (or encourage it...) and then step in to lay down LAW AND ORDER in Lord Redwyne's name. He'd probably reward us and we'd have a chance to thin the family tree.

Just sayin'. Since I prefer honorable Karban, I'd vote against agitating, but this IS an option.

>>20214383
>>20214364
Lady Jeyne, as ever, knows at least a little bit about everything. "The Bulwers are a noble and powerful house and, much like Costaynes, they have much power and wealth. Each is the twin of the other, houses that hold strong fortifications and battle-ready fleets on either side of Whisper Sound, each one watching one of the approaches to Oldtown. It is their blood that is shed to keep pirates, Free City brigands, and the occasional Ironborn from bringing fire and crime to Oldtown, and the Hightowers reward them well for such service. The Bulwers are perhaps more wealthy, with Lord John Bulwer having made wise investments in several merchants.... But the Costaynes hold more extensive lands, with several forests that are renown for their peacefulness and timber."

When you ask her about the other houses, she sadly doesn't have too much to tell you. However, she redeems herself with the Lady Victaria. "They call her the Lady of Blackcrown because she is a tough, prickly defender of her lands. She is the cousin of Lord Mace Tyrell through her mother, and many rumor that she is the true power behind house Bulwer." She seems to enjoy that, reveling in the fact that another woman bucks the Westerosii norm like her.

>>20214549

We can lay damn the law by laying down with Veronica if you know what I mean.

>>20214421
Damn straight mah boy

And everyone remember, we can always intervene in any dynastic struggles as both an ally of Veronic and in the guise of stabilising the lands around us. These are both pretty acceptable reasons and beneficial in that they improve our relationship with Veronica (who, with our help, will be head of the Cargill's) and position us as a decisive force in political landscape of the Arbor.
We might even be able to use our relationship with Paxter to have him intervene through us, giving us authority and additional forces to deal with the disturbance between his bannermen. Obviously whether he intervenes would depend on the scope of the disturbance and whether he'd feel morally right intervening but our encouragement might sway his mind. This tactic would have the benefits of above with reduced risk to our personal forces and show the Arbor the esteem Paxter holds us in.

This would be a good idea for Paxter because it shows that he's not afraid to act decisively to combat any disturbance to the peace of the Arbor AND that he's got at least one wealthy lord willing to back him to the hilt.

>>20214472
The next sentence, literally the next sentence says he's not dropping off a cliff and its a slow decline due to being 54 and getting you know, old.

>>20214543
that one Iron Born did it so maybe?

>>20214421
How many moves ahead do you play in chess? A half?

If we marry her, East Cargill has an heir apparent. When Old Cargill, leader of West Cargill, dies, it becomes a matter of "who's got the better claim". At which point, we step in, stating that East Cargill has a Lord, and an Heir. If necessary, we take the guy who looks most likely to win who isn't ourself aside, and we point to Lord "Crane" of the Arbor Isles, and tell him that we don't forget people who help us. The matter may go to Paxter/Pason, where we argue that, unlike other claimants, we have YEARS to sire sons, and, if Pason's alive, we point out that Marshal of the Windingwater would be easier if we controlled the whole Windingwater. If he's not alive, surprise, we're already Marshal, and we use the same argument.

Assuming a win, we become Lord Dustain Karban, Lord of the Eastern Arbor and the Arbor Isles.

People keep saying "we need to play on a national level" we do that by WINNING the regional level.

>>20214625
Pretty much this. Everything this man has said is sensible. No need to marry just yet when we've an adequate causus belli ready regardless.

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>>20214599
Mah nigga.

>>20214579 CONT
"The Woodwrights and Cuys are beyond my knowledge, my lord... If they are too far back from the coast, or perhaps on the Mander, they would be beyond the whispers I hear. I wish I could offer you something worth more silver, but there is only so much I can do with the help I have these days..." You just nod, thanking her all the same.

Jeyne leans back into her chair, slowly toying with her glass as you polish off your wine. "Have I answered my lord's questions? Or do you require more from me...." The smile she flashes at that makes you think twice for a minute.

>>20214722

Ask her what she knows of us and our lands. We could find out how deep her claws go, and perhaps help in counterespionage.

>>20214687
Quick note: technically, East Cargill has an Heir Presumptive, but it's unlikely the 54 year old lord is going to sire a son at this point.

>>20214579
Interesting. That is another point in our favor, she knows that we're fine with women bucking Westerosii norm due to having Iylaria as one of our most trusted people.
>>20214722
I can't think of anything else to ask right now. Maybe we should see if she knows of anything going on under our noses in our lands.

I think this is a good time to make an offer of a more permanent relationship between us, nothing official as that wouldn't work, but an understanding between the two of us. Where she puts her efforts into making sure we get the information we need from the shadows and keep us protected from that sort of thing and in exchange we provide her with wealth and cut her into the continuing growth of Saltmouth.

Also if she is offering to sleep with us it could be a good way to cement an alliance of sorts.

>>20214687
Also the land grant we are getting on Pason's death is from the West Cargill lands, so the faster we move to head off this situation the better position we are in when Pason kicks it.

>>20214780

It could be her way of getting herself into high society by siring a bastard on us.

We think with our head, not with our head.

What we could suggest is an expansion of her business.

Men fresh from the sea do love to talk, as do men who want to impress their bedmates.

If her inn were to become the premiere inn of Saltmouth, maybe via a little investment of wealth, she could end up the Arbor's version of Littlefinger.

>>20214722
Welp, we've got blue balls so let's anal it up with her.

Yep, backdoor. A tavern wench bastard is one thing, but if we get this bitch pregnant? That can come back to bite us in the ass, sure as sure.

>>20214807
She's a busy, industrious lady. That makes me doubt she desires a bastard child to weigh her down. However, it could be politically damaging for us and valuable for her, so tread carefully my brothers....

>>20214722

Is she suggesting what I think she is? Go for it Karban, but try not to give her a bastard.

>>20214789
We get that land guaranteed when he dies and there isn't any *situation* as far as we are concerned as East Cargill isn't dying, West Cargill is.

>>20214757
>>20214860
A more permenant relationship might be something she could be talked into.

>CRUNCH:
So what kind of offer do we want to make to Jeyne? Do we want to just, straight up, offer to buy her services off the market? Promise her favors and tiny breaks here and there? Maybe she isn't even interested in money... does she want some kind of post within our employ that basically gives her more safety?

Kick around your ideas and vote.

>>20214719

Is still better to marry her and join our houses. All that land, all those mines, all that power united. I really don't get the resistance to marring her; there is realistically no better option when it comes to the material benefits and on the personal side she is quite nice. Waiting hoping for a better of option is unlikely as show by the other proposals. She is the heir to the house next to us you don't get that kind of chance every day. What if someone else tries to marry her?

>>20214860
Appeal to her economic wants? Smart.
Getting some safe action with her on the side could be a bonus... Is she attractive?

>>20214936
We should be vigilant about listening for competition/ other bachelors. Lady jenye could help in thus department. If anything comes up we simply make a quick decision and possibly swoop in to snatch the girl up.

>>20214927
We don't want her to stop getting information to other people, that'd be suspicious as all hell. But we want her ultimate loyalty, for us to know when someone is looking into us and for only the information we want to be passed through in that case.

In exchange she will get our loyalty as she knows how loyal we are to our own, we'll help her expand her enterprise though not in ways that can be tracked back to us, make sure the law doesn't crack down on her as much as we can or at least give her warning if it's going to happen, keep her safe from any enemies, and cut her into the ever expanding wealth of Saltmouth.

Anything about sleeping with her shall be handled separately.

Her strength comes in the face that she is nobody, but giving her support in exchange for most favoured customer status seems like the way to go.

>>20214936

Someone will kill them. She currently has a reputation that is keeping suitors FAR away from her. We have time to pursue other options and we can spin the situation in many ways to get Cargill lands without marrying her.

Oh yeah her father is in decent health so we'd have 4-10 years to wait for his death. We would have to deal with the assassin problem.

If we really wanted the lands we'd just arrange for her to have a horrible accident. Suddenly Crane comes into huge tracts of land and we profit.

TO paraphrase Tyrion, "if someone pays you to Spy on me I'll pay you double to lie to them. I like living/secrets"

Two things: First, we aren't scoping any Cargill lands. We're receiving unclaimed land South of Karban's holdings.

Second, Jeyne? This is a huge chance and a huge risk for Karban. I suggest the noir option: Ask the broad what she wants. Not in general, but here and now and in this place. Politics is well and good until you bring the dames into it.

Speaking of dames, we should totally continue that Karban Noir joke.

>>20214927

I say we offer her a more permanent relationship. If she wants to be a member of our household, then we'll make up a title for her. If not, we do more or less what >>20215022 suggests, though I recommend we try and do something in the way of building a "whisper market". We, once we've got some scratch, build up not just her business, but many in the area, while she makes it known in the right circles that there's money to be made in Saltmouth for those with the information to trade.

Basically, build an "Information Guild".

>>20214927
Here's a question.
If we die, does the quest end?

>>20215128
Presumably only if we don't have an heir.

You motion to Iylaria, who brings forward another small purse. You stack, slowly, five small towers of ten golden dragons on the lip of the table. You speak slowly, letting your voice fill the small, dark room. "Jeyne, you are something unique... You have talents and skills I would desperately like to purchase. You hear things. These are things I very much /need/ to hear, and when I need to hear things, I move gold around to make sure I eventually hear them. Now, if you keep telling me the things I would want to hear, you can keep getting that gold." She seems to be thinking it over, examining the angles even as you keep talking. "A place like this depends upon the vigilant watch of my guard, who will keep the peace and prevent anything bad from happening to you and yours. Such an arraignment between the two of us would ensure that all my guard knew that you deserved an extra level of care..."

>Roll 5d6 to sell her on this idea.

rolled 6, 1, 4, 1, 2 = 14

>>20215172

Fortuna wills it!

rolled 2, 3, 4, 2, 1 = 12

>>20215172

Time to use our silver tounge. Perhaps she'll let us use it again later.

rolled 5, 3, 5, 3, 4 = 20

>>20215172
Rolling.

rolled 2, 5, 6, 3, 6 = 22

>>20215172
As far as people to work for go we're a really good choice. I think she'll accept.

rolled 5, 5, 4, 1, 4 = 19

>>20215172
Dice Gods I beseech thee!

>>20214900
Though, if the situation isn't resolved between the death of old West Cargill and the death of Pason (assuming the former proceeds the latter) we might find ourselves in the secession argument regardless of what we choose now.

>>20215231
That could be... really, really bad. Or really profitable. Or horrifically bad. Or we wind up the Warden of the South.

>>20215078
That joke was excellent.

>>20215154
>>20215128
Having an heir would ensure that, should Dustain Karban die, the story continues.

Responding to your proposal, Jeyne sits back, thinking. You can tell her mind is spinning as fast as it can, but her eyes haven't left the five, identical stacks of gold. "I will think about it, m'lo....I mean, my lord. This is something I hadn't expected and need to think about it." You can tell you caught her off-guard, which might be for the best.

>>20215304
Please think carefully about this offer Lady Jeyne.

Though you very well know that this is a small fraction of the wealth I deal in and there is far more to be made and Saltmouth grows faster and faster by the day.

I am not merely asking you to join my service, I am offering you the opportunity to be an integral part of the success of my dear city.

>>20215304

get her to laugh by slowly unbuckling your belt and saying, "anything else to tempt you with"?

>>20215304
Does the heir need to be blood related in order for us to continue playing as him when we die?

>>20215366
That's a tad crass, how about no.

I'm fine with having a lovely night with her and even sleeping with Jeyne, but we do so with class and we don't use it as a negotiating tool.

>>20215304 CONT
You just nod, and promise her all the time she could want. In the meantime, you will be around and will be hoping that she keeps her ears open. You sweep out of the room with your Guard, leaving the small stacks of gold behind on the table. If those coins keep sitting there, her greed will eventually win out and drag her into your employ. Such an asset would be a huge advantage.

You make it back to the castle with little trouble, a gentle drizzle making the heavy cloaks seem even wiser. Coyle has some stuff left for you in your solar, and you read over shipping orders for your numerous construction projects before heading down for dinner. The next two weeks are nothing exciting, although you know that at the beginning of next month, Montelban will be returning from his voyages and will be expecting your company.

>Roll d6 for House Fortune as time keeps ticking by.

rolled 5 = 5

>>20215408

No sleeping with her? Whats up with that princely?

rolled 1 = 1

>>20215408

>>20215422
...Whoops...

>>20215420
It's a terrible, terrible idea. Find some tavern wench or something if you need to get laid that bad, information brokers are generally a poor idea for a lay.

>>20215403

You are ignoring the several layers of meaning that message conveyed.

Besides, I don't want us to sleep with her. I get the feeling that she's the kind of person that if you sleep with her, all respect she had for you is out the window.

I wanted it conveyed as a joke, to show her that she can't buy us with sex like other men.

>>20215420
She is just down the street. If you want to chase after her, you can always call on her... I figured that the business proposition would probably be a good place to end that particular scene. Plus, you will have to meet with her to get her response, so that is another bite at the... uhh... apple.

>>20215389
Yes.

>>20215458
I think we'll see about sleeping with her when we go visit her again to see how she feels about the deal.

So current House Fortune puts us at two +1's to be added to any two stats. All right guys.... vote on your choices.

>Current Stats:
Defense - 3
Influence - 42
Lands - 0
Law – 54
Population - 31
Power – 3
Wealth - 1

>>20215565

I would say wealth and power.

>>20215565

Karban money making machine and power

>>20215565
Obviously +1 to the Karban Money Machine.

The other to Power as we need more troops.

>>20215565
more wealth and power

Wealth and power

So it seems Wealth, Power, some more Power, and then a dab of Wealth.

>Roll the d6 for our Wealth machine.

rolled 3 + 4 = 7

>>20215650
Rollan the Money Machine.

rolled 6 = 6

>>20215650

Rolling our wealth

Ok, with that, the month comes to an end. Give me another 4d100 for the Saltmouth Fucking table.

Current Stats:
Defense - 3
Influence - 42
Lands - 0
Law – 54
Population - 32
Power – 4
Wealth - 10

rolled 83, 66, 48, 8 = 205

>>20215727

Alright, let's hope I can do better.

rolled 11, 75, 28, 47 = 161

>>20215727
Gettin' Busy.

>>20215727

From one to ten in a single month. It feels good to be a Karban.

rolled 34, 62, 73, 46 = 215

>>20215727

rolled 30, 27, 96, 53 = 206

>>20215727
Makin' Copies...

A rough census taken by Coyle estimates Saltmouth's current population at just over 6300 souls.

As the weeks tick by, you find yourself (most unexpectedly) expecting the return of Montelban and his trade fleet. It is a relief when, one thursday morning, a guardsmen brings news to your solar. A half dozen battered-looking vessels can be seen on the horizon, flying multicolored flags and pennants of crimson.

>What kind of homecoming should you give the man?

>>20215850
Small feast, poor fella looks to have had a rough ride.

>>20215850

Invite him and his captains to dine with us. He will have lots of tall tales to tell us.

>>20215850
I think some pomp and ceremony is called for. Cheering welcoming him back, us and the Steel Guard, in our snazziest outfits, leading him to his mansion, a feast prepared, casks of wine opened.

Allow for ample room at the port, obviously. Show up with some of our guard in tow as well as caswell. Great the man in fine clothes that aren't overstated. See to it that he can takes care of his ships and men. Offer carts to transport his goods if need be.
Act excited and happy. Offer dinner at the castle.
Maybe bring Ben and our squire?

>>20215911

The feast should be in our castle just saying.

>>20215850
Well this doesn't sound promising, nevertheless FEAST TIME. Karban's got a reputation to uphold

Fuck yeah Karban quest!
Just woke up and bam! Karban!

Got to go but can stay for a few minutes. The lifeboat has to be awesome. Allso we should have offered the spymistress not only gold but the option to get in our court, should she desire it.

Perhaps as Hostess or Feast Junior Organizer, or some other unassuming stuff a tavern runner could be styled in.

So what's the price for everything we can purchase with power?

>>20216046
I think that having her seem in any way connected to us in an official capacity is bad, at least for now.

We don't want people making the connection that we've hired her, if they don't think that we're working together they will continue to use her as an info source so we then know who knows what.

You meet him at the docks, with a score of guardsmen wearing their intimidating black tabards and shields of iron and blue. Their helms and spears are polished, and you are pleased to see them in tight, straight ranks.

You and some of the Guard are mounted, with several spare horses for the captains. As the cogs and galleys and dromonds come to the docks, Montelban is down the steps nearly as fast as the plank can be dropped. "MY LORD KARBAN! It is good to return to your shores... Our voyage was trying, but we return with riches and tales! To the castle then, so I may partake of your cellar and sit in a chair that does not swing, eh? HAHA!" The man grasps your hand with a strong grip, and leaps onto a horse. The rest of his captains seem weary and tired, but Montelban, as always, seems to have boundless energy.

>>20216107

Give his captains and men an option for fresh sheets and warm food at the castle. They need it.

>>20211240

In the last thread Princely did promise a common girl as a cure for the massive blue balls we are having as soon as this thread started... Seems he has forgotten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8RBe5f3d3Y

>>20216107
we need to expand our fleet, and make some anti piracy, coast guard and storm aid patrools.

three more five warboat squadrons at least.

And more men for marines, and garrison here - just in case the Cargil buisness spills over or we have to intervene, or a opportunity presents itself..

>>20216107
Nice. I expect there is another Guard contingent at the castle gate.

The Captains should welcome some stout walls and floors and warm heart and good, well prepared meals served by beautiful girls.

>>20216107
Well this feast should be interesting.

Lets see how our squire and girls do with only murderers (us and steelguard) and merchants in a feast and not nobles. Hope they will find it entertaining and learn a thing or two.

>>20216107 CONT.
>Have you ever mistyped captcha five times in a row? Fucking shit.

The ride back to the castle is over quickly, and soon, the party moves to your solar. It is cramped with Ben, Coyle, and Ser Laurence sitting behind you, and Montelban and his six captains are on the other side of the table. Your small group gets most of the way through three small casks of wine, discussing the voyage. Montelban tells the story with bluster and a storyteller's skill, and you listen intently.

Selling wine in Tyrosh and Braavos, Montelban and his men fought pirates in the Stepstones before breaking for Skaagos, where they hunted the huge, deep-water whales. These whales were then butchered and sold across the Narrow Sea, where Montelban bought spices, fine cloth, gemstones, silver bars, jade, and ivory. Some was sold in King's Landing, but several holds of such goods are set to be moved through your port, before the remaining portion is to go to Oldtown. The fleet survived storms, winds that blew razor-sharp shards of ice, brigands and pirates, and an encounter with a unique band of assassins who tried to kill the captains to take their ships.

>Wat say?

>>20216261
it seams my friend and your fine men have done much, I wounder were you will go next ? Valyria its self?

>>20216261
That is a most impressive tale Montelban. One of daring, adventure, assassins and exotic locales. I almost wish I came along with you just to see it with my own eyes.

But you left out perhaps the most important detail, how much money did you make?

>>20216261
"Geeze and all I did was hunt down wine thieves, go to war with an insane noble, and double the amount of territory I control."

>>20216367
Second.

>>20216261
You should Find yourself a chronicler or a poet. Would i not know you i would not quite believe it, and I am certain a good adventure book, or poem would be quite something that might sell to young far eyed lasses and lads or at least make the rounds on all taverns on the westeros coast if not more. Surely the added fame would open certain doors for such a distinguished group.

>>20216367
>>20216261

I say we combine these two. Becoming a good friend and consigliere would be nice perhaps getting ourself a trade fleet under him to double his numbers and profits too (percentual pay for the admiral).


Regarding the constant cries of sex with noble girls and fear of bastards and baby scandals. We should inquire our Maester or our Free Cities Friend about some device to prevent such things. Perhaps some kind of glove that is unobtrusive during the act? If the Egyptians did it and was done contiguously through the middle ages it should be simple and easy to think about and do, so there sholuld be some analogue. If they know of it, lets start such a industry here, catering to nobles, brothels and traders. Not only will it be a major money maker, but expand our spy network through a discrete delivery service and give us the side benefit of being able to used such devices without anyone able to document them.