>>ITT We pretend to exist in an alternate earth making up a setting that is real earth.Here are the basic outlines for the setting I'm putting together for a modern game. It's far from complete, but it's a work in progress.>Germany lost the world war, resulting in a second world war that Germany also lost.>America still superpower because of cold war with Russia.>No Indian Empire.>No Arctic colonies.>Middle East now basically third world country ruled by religious extremism.>Society rolled back about 50 years, technology forward about 10.
>OP isn't a faggotOh my god I kill myself sometimes
So it's basically the 60's with 2020 technology?
>>20196974You've got it all backwards.>>20196913I'd like to help, but my mind is busy being pic related.
>Frozen icy poles, with a hot equatorFor the hell of it, let's change climate too.
Drugs are illegal.
>>20196913If you're getting rid of the Indian Empire, there's kind of a power vacuum in Asia. Maybe make a unified China under the Nationalists? Or even the Maoists, if that isn't too WAT for you.
>>20197011Nah, let's make them nationalist pseudo-communists that never even feign interest an international revolution and bend over backwards for the sake of growth in power and wealth.
>America is about to land a laser-equiped robot on mars from a rocket-crane platform.
>>20197054Let's make casual sweeping statements about politics we know very little about.
>>20197011China would never unify. That's like saying the U.S.S.R. will fall.I say instead that we divide the continent of North America into a few more countries. Give them exotic names like Kanadia and Mekiko.
I vote the British empire conquered the whole globe/ the moon/ mars
>Germany lost the world war, resulting in a second world war that Germany also lost.Sorry OP but the German Empire not steamrolling Europe and Asia is total bullshit and you know it. Have you had ANY history courses?2/10 you made me reply
>>20197076>ks everywhereSpecial snowflake original countries do not steal? 0/10
>>20197073Let's not care what color the cat is.
>>20197110>>20197107Hey, we're just making an exciting setting that's different from our real lives, but still kinda close. There's only so much Lizards and Lairs I can take.And you're right, those names will need some changing. How about Canada and Mexico?
>Japan leader in technology, no longer in constant civil war.
Magic isn't real in this world, so instead this setting is Electropunk. Massive electrical reactors powering entire cities, electricity in people's homes, local police deal with manticores and criminals using handheld stun wands, things like that.>inb4 lab coats and goggles
>>20197113Don't be daft, the color of the cat is the most important thing.
Here's an idea.>Whole new continent, used by the British Empire to send whole fucking country's worth of criminals to.>Desolate desert in the middle but the world's best beaches.
>>20197149Watch out, we don't need to start another AC/DC war. Just because some magitek student took a class on the elements he'll think he knows everything about this.
How about we make Australia a desolate wasteland with only like 2 nice cities on it and NOT make it the seat of power it is today.
>>20197149>Electropunk>no lab coat/goggleswat
>>20197211>>20197200Let's just combine these for ultimate WACKINESS
>>20197149Hang on, if magic isn't real, why would they ahve to deal with manticores?>>20197200A whole new continent? Wouldn't that massively screw with the world's water levels? That's almost as absurd as saying Atlantis had sunk, or something.>>20197210What if Tesla's magical theories & discoveries, or whatever the equivalent would be in this new world, had been suppressed by some asshole?
Alright, so what do we do about the great nation of Atlantis? What if the continent just sunk in antiquity due to earthquakes or were just straight up fictitious in this alternate world? That would remove all of their magi-technological accomplishments to the world of course.
>>20197076>>20197076>MekikoThis faggot can't even anglicise Nahuatl right. It should be "Meshica", or if you really fuvking must have a k, "Meshika".
hey guysguyswhat ifguysthe president of the muslim confederationwatch this guyswas actually the worlds most wanted manthis will be so cool
>>20197270Why not just go full Reed Richards and make him king of his own country?
>>20197257>Atlantis>ficticiouswell it's a fantasy setting
Remember that card game that one guy made for breaks during Lizards and Lair? Let's make that the most popular TCG in the world. He'd get a kick out of it.
>>20197256Manticores ain't magic dumbfuck.Point to one magical thing about mants.
>>20197200But you can't use the beaches most of the year because of near-invisible incredibly poisonous jellyfish.
>>20197076So since this setting is already a bizarre clusterfuck of wacky, let's go whole hog and add Xtreme kool letterz to everything. Like instead of Mekiko call it Mexiko. Have a country called Kazakhland or something.Also, this:>>20197270Actually combos surprisingly well with this:>Middle East now basically third world country ruled by religious extremism.
Oooh, and what if men had penises and women had vaginas!
>>20197378So it's basically the Republic of Scotland?
>>20197417Get your fetish-faggotry out of here.
>>20197373Yeah but manticores are native to Atlantis, at least back when the plates were shifting.
Let's get rid of catpeople too, we can remove the human part and just have cat animals people keep as pets. They can be just as selfish and useless but smaller and more portable. They can be an alternative to dogs.
>>20197378You mean like the ones the Yucatan Confederacy employed in the Boer War, but just kind of floating around wild?
>>20197432Fair enough. As long as we're on the topic, what if instead of dragons, super-lizards were real?
>>20197417Hey dude, listen here for a moment this is great.1. There are no gods, at all. People still think there are, but there ain't.2. Christianity is the worlds largest "religion".Too far?
>>20197442How about if /tg/ has just one thread that isn't full of fascist shit like this.
>>20197442Take that back to /b/ Jim Crow.
>>20197453mite b coolBut how would they take care of wounded / sick people without healing / divine powers?
>>20197421Surlier, worse climate, more sheep, more genocide of the natives, fewer Bengali and Maratha immigrants.
>>20197450YES. And in this world, every artificially produced bioweapon is actually native to Australia, no matter how stupidly implausible it is that such absurdly lethal creatures would evolve naturally. This is why Australia never rose to power in this world.
>>20197442But then what would replace their shitty little nation? Like it or not, they've had an effect on history.
>>20197479Herbs and natural healing? Makes it seem kind of grimdark. Break your arm in some random accident and it's out of commission for like a month.
>>20197489That would make like literally every animal there venomous.
>>20197479Uh, possibly devolped some sort of science that allowed the body to heal, one way they do it is by releasing small amount of a virus, not enough to cause a lot of harm but enough for the body to adapt? Also this science is called medicine? Too much?
>>20197479As someone said earlier, they use science for all that. We just make up some shit like "atomos" instead or the planar web, to explain existence without magic.
>>20197501>>20197501What if it's like, a bunch of dudes all called Frank. An empire of Franks.
Alright hold up. Without magic or magi-techology, they're going to have a hell of a problem with climate issues on this world. Look up something called hurricanes or tornadoes in the historical archive. Maybe even a global warming or cooling effect from atmospheric chemical buildups.
What if this world has a new type of resource that's a super energy dense liquid? What if this new liquid was able to give them the ability to power huge iron machines that could move at lightning fast speeds. With this, they may even be able to build iron birds that can fly at the speed of sound (a stretch I know, but this if a fantasy setting after all)! This could also be adapted to civilian use, and people would use these machines to travel vast distances almost trivially.However, there is a twist to this. What if the resource was being rapidly exploited, and that there is no way to make more. I image there would be wars being fought using new technologies in order to secure this resource. We could also have technologically undeveloped peoples who happen to be sitting on massive amounts of this resource, and have them in conflict with the larger powers.
What if everyone in the world carried a small electronic device that allows them to communicate to everyone who also owns a similar device? Also, this device is constantly used for recreation and provides people with music, video games and movies 24/7.I know it's a little stretch but if this is going to be electropunk, let's make it all out electropunk.
>>20197524Dammit Frank, why would anyone name an empire after you?
>>20197525What if everyone had a small basement under their homes to run away from hurricanes? At least those living in places where such things are frequent.
>>20197512Well, some of them are just lethal in other ways. Like have one that looks just like a jimmy bear, only if you try to hug it it wakes up and starts mauling you.If you really want to keep the poison level constant, we can make most of the plants poisonous. And add more spiders.
>>20197533Go ahead, but I'm not going to write the fluff for that. You're going to have to invent so many new jargon terms and magibabble it will make your head explode. I still don't see how this different from the crystanet.
>>20197479The military has procedures for emergency medical when there's no medics around. Plus there's been a lot deal of research lately into tech-medicine, where they cut people open in order to do stuff with their innards. There's a lot of questions about ethics, but if there weren't any magic, it makes sense that they'd use it.
>>20197533"Free sending spells" actually seems kind of tame for electropunk. These things should be constantly networked together so that someone can post something to a hub machine from one of them, and then everyone in the entire world can see it.Although you'd have to have some gatekeepers to that system, or else the networks would just fill up with gazillions of pages of random stuff posted by 12-year olds. And if the network is global, that means we'd need some kind of global government. Not really any contenders for that with Australia out of the picture, though.
>>20197525Maybe they just deal with this stuff, oh god I got a great idea. How about in the middle of America with have this thing called tornado alley.Basically it's this strip of land that stretches right up past America's border that has a huge amount of tornados pass right through that area.Now here's the kicker, people live in this alley. And even if there homes are destroyed and livelihood go they rebuild their homes. And on the coasts people just deal with hurricanes constantly every year, with same amount of destruction.
>>20197551Spiders? So we're saying that the hundred year attempt to wipe them out failed/didn't happen in this world?
>>20197529Make this substance the liquified bones of dinosaurs (which are long exist in this world).Fuck yeah, this is what I call awesome.
>>20197583Yeah, but who in their right mind would live in these places?
>>20197586Apparently war didn't drop off after the Great War, since we had at least one other one (on the same scale, even!) after that. So maybe they were just too busy killing each other to kill spiders.
>>20197586Yeah the attempt failed and now the spiders outnumber the Human population.Same with all insects.Oh and lets put all the most poisonous stuff on that penal continent.
>>20197606Well, no gods means no divine blessings on crop yields. Which means places like the middle of North America where crops just grow awesomely even without divine intervention are suddenly really, really important.We are going with no gods, right? World of charlatans?
>>No Indian Empire.well fuck you too.
>>20197606Oh I got a great idea for that so people live there, make this alley rich in agriculture. Basically making it the breadbasket for America. Also most the people that live there are religious fundamentalists.
>>20197606People used to send criminals to this place hoping they would get killed by either spiders or each other. But the criminals survived and built a new civilization. They have become the masters of spiders, they ride giant spiders and shit
what about Poland? what if it was Russia that had the revolution because Poland was destroyed earlier by the Danube confederation, Russians, and the Teutonic Legions? Because Liberum Veto was passed! And... and it has constantly been conquered since then!
>>20197732>Not having the Poland being a massive super power.I don't know guys that seems like a bit of a stretch...On a side note let's have the descendants of the Penal colonialists have fun accents.
>>20197607Nah, it should be even bigger, events happening truly all over the world. A "world war" if you will.
>>20197641How about America starts off colonized by the British empire, but then they rebel and win by basically wearing out the British? This all happens without magical travel, so travel time for reinforcements are substantial. Like months. And also some reinforcements don't make it because travel is dangerous and stuff.
>>20197149At least you aren't the Left Behind, it sucks doing nothing but watching the Space Elevator while your bros get to go out and explore, but that's African Union for you, always wanting someone to watch the Confederated Homelands
>>20197625>no godsIf these people haven't learned to split the god for power, that means their soldiers are mortal, and wouldn't fight with swords.What would be the stats for a gun at that tech level? Like a hundred bullets a second? I'll write a hundred. Hope you like d6s.
>>20197646Why don't we change spiders from extradimensional aliens into the wierdest, most disconcerting animals in existence? Just for the irony of it. make them non-intelligent too, so no training and stuff, like insect level intelligence.
THE NINTH TO FOURTEENTH CRUSADES HAVE ABSOLUTELY COMPLETELY UTTERLY SMASHED WHATEVER POOR BUGGERS WERE LEFT IN THE HOLY LANDKNIGHTLY ORDERS ARE EVERYWHERE, THE VATICAN REIGNS SUPREME, HERETICS ARE PERSONALLY BURNT BY POPE TORQUEMADA THE FIFTHTHE BYZANTINE EMPIRE IS A PUPPET STATE OF THE VENETIANS, THE SCHISM HAS COME TO AN ENDTHE FIFTEENTH CRUSADE IS NOW SET TO CONQUER INDIA, THE EXPEDITION LED BY BROTHER COLUMBUS, TRYING OUT A DIFFERENT ROUTE - GOING THROUGH THE ATLANTICGOD KNOWS WHAT HE'LL FIND
>>20197814Srs? That shit's unrealistic. lrn2thermodynamics, magefag
>>20197823This is supposed to be a made-up history thread, not real history.
Mm, suppose that the American Federalists got involved in the insurrection in French Indo-China and actually lost?
>>20197877okWHATWHAT IFCHURCHILL, ROOSEVELT, MUSSOLINI STALIN AND HITLERWERE ALL BROTHERSFROM DIFFERENT MOTHERS?
>>20197911Again, we're creating a setting, not recreating reality
>>20197930Ok.Mahjong is now weaponized; fighting prowess can be calculated; the very best can become statesmen.
>>20197952But it's all secret to the common man.
>>20197971Secret Nazi moon base.
How about this guys, instead of the Illuminati being a world wild organization out to do good and bring justice to the impoverish, they are a secret society that are bent on ruling and controlling the world from the shadows? They could be so secretive that people don't even believe they actually exist.>deciatta discussIndeed, reCaptcha, indeed.
psht..... guise. Guise. GUISE! What if Napoleon?! was beaten at Waterloo by Wellington and Blucher?
Here's an idea...What do you guys think?
>>20197977>NaziAlright, but who/what is/are Nazi(s)?
>>20197999God damn guys, try to keep this shit at least somewhat realistic.
>>20197988Stop bringing your thinly veiled paranoid-anarchist theories into the mix.
>>20197900You and I both know the Federalists aren't interested in an Empire. They've been isolationists ever since the World War.That reminds me of a joke... what do they call the Great War here in Prussia? World War Won. Bahahah, it kills me.Anyway, what about Chechnya? I would think such a vast nation would have some part to play in this (admittedly) bizarre fiction.
>>20198014yeah next thing you say nelson destroyed the french at Trafalgar?
>>20198010The Aryans.
>>20197988Let's take in one step further, it actually doesn't exist, but there is a subsection of humanity that believes in it.Ha, could you imagine a world without the illuminati?
>>20198003NIGGA FUCK YOUFUCK YOUFUCK YOUNIGGA FUCK YOUTHE RENAISSANCE IS SUCH BULLSHITFUCK YOU
>>20198003Well, that would explain their lack of magic and use of electropunk to be sure. I dunno how I feel about it though.Also lol "Dark Ages." Can't we come up with a better name?
>>20198003> That pic
Guys..what if..what if the British Isles weren't connected to skandinavia, and the UK was a seafaring nation as a result?
>>20198076Pffft, now you're going to tell me they had bad teeth, funny accents and colonized everything possible
>>20198015I'm just trying to flip a few givens about the world on their heads. Chill.Speaking of which WHAT IF THEY HAD ONLY ONE MOON.The tides would be so fucked up!
>>20198037Not really, it'd be like trying to imagine a world where the Council of Nicea decided to accept the doctrine of the Trinity, rather than the actual events, where it was loyal Arius and his followers, those who rejected the divinity of JesusCan you imagine? A Christianity where Jesus was worshipped as God?
what if their earth wasnt hollow and had no mole people?
Ethiopia soundly defeated the 1936 invasion.
>>20198088Eh, why not?>>20198036You don't seem to understand. Who are they in the world, and why would they have a secret base on the moon?
>>20198076Then who would unite central asia and China under a great empire? We can't just ignore such a significant part of the worlds history.
>>20198003This is like the grand emperor of bullshit charts.
>>20198076THERE IS A LINE
>>20198056I like dark ages, the simplicity feels almost ironic.What would have caused the dark ages? The "godless god-worshipers" from earlier?
rolled 12, 7, 16 = 35Guys, what if the Iroqouis confederacy never joined with the Aztec Republic, the Mayan polity and the Incan Empire to form the American Federalists? HOW CRAZY WOULD THAT BE?
>>20198117see >>20197011For an idea.Though I don't know what's stopping that area from degrading into another warlord clusterfuck like it did here.
>>20198118God you churchfags will deny anything, we all know that the church opened a portal into the depths of hell that caused a dark age lasting hundreds of years. How else could the roman empire be defeated at the height of its power if not by the satanic hordes? Of course that doesn't mean that the Lord our God isn't the divine being that he is, just that his representatives on earth became greedy with power.
>>20198151A plague. A fuck huge plague. From the gobi desert. Spread by rats. No magic remember?
What if Einstein, instead of leading the Global AntiZionist movement to nearly conquer the world, was instead a renowned and respected physicist?
>>20198175Is this for the new game dude? Because we kind of had the Mage Enlightenment at that time of the "Dark Ages."
Ok, guys. What if the Israeli-Arab coalition treaty never happened, and instead the Jews and Muslims were constantly at each others throats? It would be like a Cold/Holy war that just continually develops, since we're going for the religious extremism thing in the Middle east. And just for fun...>>20197529What if this (nonmagical?) resource were ESPECIALLY plentiful in the Middle East? Certainly other countries would be more interested in the area... what interventions would they pursue and how would the countries there react? It seems like it could make for a great politically tense environment.To add to the tension, what if, because of the second of the great wars and the lack of access to magic, technology has become incredible in the weaponized, beyond even what we can achieve with magic. I'm talking huge mini-fortresses on wheels that shoot giant explosive bullets, huge bullets with NO chance to miss and just chase down based on some kind of scientific quality (heat?), and fucking BOMBS that can level entire cities - the mere presence of which threatens civilization as a whole.
What if Aspers weren't a separate race, and could be born to human parents? You'd have to call them something else to fit the fluff, but without magic there'd be no reason to keep them alive otherwise.
>>20198177Fuck yeah, grimdark. Have it wipe out something like a third of the world's population. Bodies just piling up in the streets. After all the ass-backwards history, we need a good plague.Why rats though? How did rats get there?
What if Ghandi and Hitler swapped places?
>America a superpowerAmerica wouldn't be the super power then, Great Britain would. L2History, OP. America has been a sub-area of the United Kingdoms ever since they got steam rolled by Mexicans back in the late 1800s.
>>20198154Oh for goodness' sake, then who would rule the American continent? A bunch of Europeans? What, did those Vikings who tried their luck landing? Or that Spainard Cortez? Oh, wait, if we want to be *really* crazy...There was once a breakaway faction from the United Kingdom of Skandanavia, mentioned here >>20198076and they left to form their own colony. They called it Plimutth. Well, what if they weren't the only Skandanavians to land, what if there were even more colonies? What if these colonies ended up entirely wiping out the native Iroquois Confederacy? What a world that would be.
>>20196913Hey I wrote some fluff for this "Second World War" you were thinking about.http://pastebin.com/jKtaZLPJTell me if it's too crazy.
>>20198222fuckin' sailboats man.
What if Hitler lost the Second World War?
>>20198242dude, what?USA, the fucking USA having acces to atom bombs?What the fuck?
>>20198242Too fucking grimdark, get off that 40k sugar high kiddo.
>>20198242>resulted in 50 million to over 70 million fatalities. These deaths make World War II by far the deadliest conflict in all of human history.[1]>deadliest conflict in human history>not the Russian-China conflicts of the 1990sTHE FUCK MAN THATS HOW MY FATHER DIED
>>20198282Well, I don't think your father (or anyone we know) exists in this world, why are you offended?
>>20198226Wait, you mean the famous artist? And who's Ghandi? I think you're just making names up now.Oh, get this, what if in this universe, the bloodthirsty terrorist "Mother" Teresa was a kindly old woman saint? What if instead of leading the Inquisition in India, she was comitted to something wholly opposite, like, I dunno, helping the poor of India. Yeah, I know, there isn't much poverty in India, but what if there was? Work with me here.
>>20198282Not my fault you all didn't head to space.African Union was crazy to start building spaceships in the 50s they saidwould be against the gods they said, and then building colonies was dumb they said.So when your wars nearly destroyed the environment, some of us Leftbehind had to wait and use iron seeding to prevent Rapid Warming Event!
>>20198298What if the British left India, which then fell into a civil war and then a few more wars, leaving India, Pakistan and Bangladesh?
So instead of gradual cooling, the world is slowly heating up? I guess we're just reversing stuff now, but I don't mind, it's fun to imagine.
>>20198340How would Britain be in India? Without the connection to asia through Scandinavia there is no way they could reach India.
>>20198298In this world Hitler was an evil emperor who conquered all of the Land of Yourop with his massive armies and battle robots but then defeated.And Ghandi was an Indian king who ruled with peace and love and stuff like that. I don't like him, he's unrealistic. Obviously anyone with that power would get corrupted.
>>20198340Wait, when did the British, the minority ethnic group from Scandinavia get there? I'm confused... I think we need to hammer down which of these crazy-ass ideas are ''canon''. Some more crazy ideas, what if the Hugenot Church got wiped out in it's infancy, what if the Cult of Luther wasn't just a small sect, what if his 59 Thesis were more... like, 95 Thesis, and they started some huge movement that split the Roman Orthodox Church?
>>20198231Didn't you read the thread where we decided America then revolts nd forms it's own country and becomes super powerful and is secretly ruled by a small group called Illuminati?
>>20198394> famous painter Hitler> imperial warlordOh please, what the fuck would make a mild-mannered guy act like that? What, was he kicked out of art school or something? Gimme a break.
>>20198201Can we keep the part where he builds huge bombs that can destroy cities?
>>20198271It's going to be grimdark, man. They had a "Dark Age," they don't use magic, and instead electropunk. There's no way they can avoid huge casualties because they wouldn't be able to use Mage Duels to solve international disputes.
>>20198436What ifWhat ifHe was in a warAnd saw some shit
>>20198422Yeah, but what could make them revolt? It's not going to be over some tiny little thing like a tarrif on tea or something. What would be their battlecry, "representation or no taxation"? Please.
>>20198441I agree, I like the blowing up of cities.Let's be realistic though, what kind of leader would use a weapon like that? That's just... genocide.
What if in that small, universally hated movie "A few good men" Colonel Jessep had ordered the code red?
>>20198474NOGUYSWHAT IFGUYS"no taxation without representation"
Just to clarify something, without magic I assume the Da Vincian machines we have used for the past 500 hundred years are useless, yeah? So does that mean we have some sort of electropunk flying machines?
>>20198474If you want to talk crazy, instead of the Union being mostly a few magical golems and seeding stations, with everyone else being in the Colonies, what if, Europe was able to invade, and manage to destroy everything, and enslave the people I know it sounds crazy, but this IS an alternate universe, where they don't even have Mythril!
>>20198485Meh, I don't know, it was the failure of that move that made Tom Cruise quit acting and start protesting against special interest groups. Did you hear all the stuff he said badmouthing Scientology?
>>20198496That's almost crazy enough to work. Though it still sounds stupid.One of their leaders should be a total pimp, but like really old.Their general should be some inexperienced guy who didn't win a single battle before he was signed on to be general, and then gets totally lucky over and over again.
>>20198390They'd be a seafaring nation, so, lots and lots of boats.
>>20198475In Earth, humans are more evil. For example, every day in every city there happens lots of murders and thieveries and stuff. It's kinda grimdark.
>>20198509I think we should just slap some giant engines onto a metal tube type thing with wings. Without magic, everything is really rough and industrial. Also, giant rocket bird things. It's a win-win.
>>20198509>>20198509I... wow, how far do we want to go back with these changes, because if the engineer DaVinci isn't in place A LOT of these inventions might never occur, like that bomb that somebody mentioned. They wouldn't be able to build on Leonardo's designs.
>>20198536>giant rocket birds>not just hopping on your broomreal.
>>20198551They don't have magic, remember. They use electropunk. I know it's kind of hard to wrap your head around.Okay guys, since they don't have magic, What if space is super dangerous to enter, and they don't have any contact with the Martians?
>>20198509Yes. Basically there is the "Helicopter", which is the electopunk version of the Vincian Flier. It works with something called "Petrol", a substance which has enormous amounts of energy inside.There are also Aeroplanes, which can fly very fast. Even faster than sound. I know, that sounds impossible but this is fantasy lol. We can just handwave it as "technology".There are also something called Zeppelin which flies using superlight gas but it needs a huge baloon to lift a small passenger compartment so it's not very useful.
GUYSwhat ifguyswhat if the romans never conquered the scots, therefore never finding the time-portal to the year 5,000 that let the Roman civilization's technology jump forward so drastically?What if the Romans were conquered by barbaric people instead?LOL
>>20198599>Not having an Omnimachine that flies faster than the speed of soundYou do realize the only way to go UP without an Elevator is an Omnimachine, right?
>>20198569Wait, I have an idea, but it's kind of grimdark, so if you don't like that I'd stop now.What if we find out there *are* no Martians, no Neptunians, no Venusites, and no Jovians? What if Pluto wasn't even a planet? What if in the entire solar system, Humanity was all alone. Now think, how close is the nearest star? Yeah, a long way away. Now think, without magic, how would they go that far? That's just it, they wouldn't. Even if they had the tech to do it, the trip would take millions of years. They would wonder if they were alone in the universe, with no alien race with which to share the stars. Can you imagine how horrifying that is? All alone, all 15 planets and only one intelligent race?>>20198599Maybe ''petrol'' is the name of the nonmagical wonder fluid that fuels other things. Didn't somebody mention some nonmagical fluid fuel earlier?
>>20198599>putting everything you can't explain into the "technology" category>lol technology I don't need to explain shitWOW that's not OP or exploitable or anything...What if I made a device that cast Fireballs with no casting time or Words of Power required, and could cast say, 1,000 fireballs a minute? Fucking OP in a game setting...
>>20198631Yeah, but what would the Scots do with their portal? It was the use of the portal that forced the Scots-Imperial Time Traveler, Williamicus Wallacius to seek asylum in Londonium.
>>20198637These poor people. They must be so lonely in the universe.Picture related.
>>20198663It'll all be explainable in-world, we don't have to do it here.
>>20198463Right, as if the Prussian Warmages would kow-tow to some fucking art-school drop-out. I thought this setting was supposed to have some semblance of realism!?
What if fire was commonplace, and was used for most of what we use aether for?
>>20198695WaitDoes that mean there'd be no Doctor to help out humanity?How would they stop the Gorlaaxion invasion of 1980?
>>20198716>People need to burn Petrol to generate Fire>They power up devices using Fire instead of AetherBrilliant.
>>20198714Honestly, without magic, a lot of weird shit is possible.>>20198695I don't think they'd have Prof. Whom PhD in this new world, with the lack of Magic and whatnot.
>>20198722Who says there's no Doctor? Hell, why not have his escapades shown across the world in the guise of fictional entertainment?
>>20198744Psh, as if anyone wouldn't believe that The Doctor was "fictional".
>>20198663LETS CALL IT A FLAMETHROWER. FUCKIN' TECHNOLOGY I AINT GOTTA EXPLAIN SHIT
>>20198756GUYS. GUYS.I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING....what if "fire" wasn't an element? What if... what if there were more than the Cardinal Four...? Like... a LOT more??? Or would that just fuck up the universe too much?
>>20198756Not that hard to explain. Pressurized fuel is expelled from a "nozzle", then ignited by a pilot flame, similar to how dragons do it.A fine name, though.
>>20198695Oh man, I love Professor Whom's documentaries. I'm so glad they decided to keep the same actor rather than changing. How could anyone other than Tennants Davidson play Prof. Whom?>>20198714That was my thinking, honestly, it'd be like Pope Dawkins (head of the Roman Orthodox church) leading an atheist movement. It makes no sense. Where would he even hold his meetings, in some beer hall? That would just land him in jail, and I doubt anyone would follow him after that.
>>20198752Well, if magic doesn't exist, the Doctor becomes a lot more unrealistic, so I could see people mistaking it for fiction.You know how we use magic for a lot of our entertainment and crystal spheres for long distance communication?How can we replicate that with electropunk?
>>20198776Dude, that'd be way too complicated. There would only be a very few people who'd understand the ''technology''. Honestly, maybe some of them might not even believe it, technologists would be mistrusted like magic users were a long time ago.
>>20198823You know how some of the more eccentric alchemists weird around with empty tubes (like, empty, not even air!) i'm just throwing idéas here, don't know how it would work
>>20198852Why should they be distrusted? It'll have been around for centuries, more or less. All you'd need to understand it is proper education, and any one get that, right?
Hold up. With all this talk about religious fundamentalism in the Middle East, and also monotheism, why don't people try to help/change the Middle East if they all believe in the same god and have the same religion?Doesn't the existence of religious fundamentalism with regular religious faith indicate that they have multiple gods and therefore multiple forms of worship?
>>20198722Didn't you read earlier, there aren't any nearby aliens, and without magic, the Gorlaaxions wouldn't get there until... like, 2013 or something.
>>20198877Well, they could all be from the same religious root, but some manner of divergence. Like, some guy is born, claims to be the son of god, and picks up followers. Judaism would split into whatever you wanna call this new religion. "Christanity" was used previously, right? Let's call it that. Then there could be another split with another prophet changing things for the islamic nations.
>>20198912But that's just dumb. They should realize that they all have the same god and come together....Oh shit, no magic means no manifestations, doesn't it.
>>20196913Time Racists - the tabletop game.
>>20198861Wait, you mean like those tubes they use to power the Maginet?
>>20198874Well, if we're going to keep going with the theme of grimdark, maybe education isn't available to everyone... or is that a bit too much? I don't want to get too bleak, I mean, this isn't the Terrortubbies program.
>>20199000Ugh. Did that wrong.Yep. And don't forget the line from that old illuso-tale, "Inquisitors in Black,">A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.
>>20198877Well, maybe they argue over tiny little differences, small interpretations. Oh! What if instead of meeting and resolving differences at a inter-religious conference every year, the different faiths are all divided, and they are at each other's throats all the time, much less meet with each other. As >>20198928 put it, there'd be no way to tell that they were actually worshipping the same god, they'd think each of them has the only and the right god.
>>20199023Wow, the more we come up with in this world, the shittier it is. Who would want to play in this campaign setting if it's this shitty?We have to give players a reason to play this campaign setting.
>>20198823An elaborate machine that uses bursts of electricity to send data (text, images, sounds etc) to other machines.
>>20199016Goddamnit, fucked it up again, trying to unfuck it. That was supposed to be pointing to >>20198928>>20199009Well, maybe not everyone, but hopefully most of them.>>20199055Hey, some people like to play in dark & unpleasant settings.
>>20198992Kind of, but no magic, so i don't know how the fuck they would work...
>>20199055>implying 40k isn't worse>implying people still love 40k regardlessCaptcha: complain msauliz
>>20199055>Everyday there is war somewhere on the world>Even in times of peace evil criminals kill people in the cities>You fight with awesome tech devices which could kill dozens of people in minutes>Ride in tech planes which go faster than sound and could malfunction and explode every secondIsn't this just fucking awesome?
>>20199055Well, maybe... oh, maybe the whole point of it is that solutions are easy, and right in front of them, but it's greed that keeps getting in the way of things. Maybe it could be some kind of warning, you know, like those movies that try and portray the world as if the Robot Revolution never happened. Imagine if we left Synthetic-Americans in poverty and never granted them civil rights? What if the machine uprising was put down? What a horrible world to live in, we wouldn't even have had the Nobel-prize winning GLaD0s. Fear of progress would reduce such noble citizens to the villains of old-time limited interface holodeck sessions.
>>20199121Well, without magic, maybe they'd have to use more than one. Like, an few, no, an entire series of tubes.
>>20199150Hey, buddy, I think you're connected to the wrong 'chanverse.
>>20199133"In the grim darkness of the 21st century there is only war."
>>20199169I refuse to use the word g*lem, it is a slur and you know it. They prefer "Synthetic-Americans" or "robots".
What if Britain had a worldwide Empire for decades instead of France?
What if instead of magic they used like wild lightning and magnets for I don't know stuff like a big gun that could some how shoot lightning by magnets
>>20199204We've been calling it "electropunk" for more than half the thread now. Try to keep up.
>>20199199How the hell is "Golem" a slur?
>>20199204>implying magnets are not magicWe said no magic, dammit.
>>20199204I doubt it, we were talking about education earlier. Without it, I doubt anyone would know how fucking magnets work.
I got it something no one would believe Japan instead of producing great literary works instead made shitty porn comics
How the hell would Germany lose the war? They had the best trained army and the best officer corps in Europe, there was no way they could lose to Britain, France, and Russia.
America just up and conquers mexico, and then gives it back, except for some sparsely populated desert maybe? For kicks lets say the Scott the Butcher was actually well respected there.
>>20199231>>20199232Well, I can't imagine a world without magnets.What if there were Magnets in this world but they were pwoered by technology isntead of magic?
>>20199232Maybe they use magnets and just wave their hands saying its magic.
Hey guys... You think we could turn my obscure tax-accountant great great grandad into like a burly leader of people in like the late 1800s? Like, make him a war hero n' shit and maybe kick Spain's ass? I know it's a stretch, but maybe he could ride into battle on some sort of 4 hoofed creature without any armor on? And, like, make him a badass big game hunter, but loves animals n shit so he protects them too. Also make him super super duper manly. I'd love to have THAT guy leading me... oh but I guess it's a little Marty Stu ish, give him asthma too or something. (pic related: it's my great great grampy at his accountant's desk)
>>20199261Jane way much get your power trip out of this
>>20199240Maybe if the other countries managed to outproduce them, and if they managed their logistics badly.
>>20199227How is it not, unless you're one of those Anti-Construct Supremacist nutjobs?>>20199261On one hand that's bullshit, on the other, it might ease up on the whole grimderp feel that I worry we're heading towards.
What if the planet was 70% water instead of only 30%? And they were very quickly running out of habitable land.
>>20199295Of course I'm not. I just don't see how using the original word for them is a slur.Can you give me an actual reason?
What if they never made Chess 2 then we would never get TimeShift Chess
>>20199287There's no way they could outproduce them, not with Prussia's goblin-forges pumping out... oh, right, no magic in this universe. Damn, just one little thing and the whole house of cards just falls over. This is some heady stuff.
>>20199227;_;
>>20199261We can add it to the backstory.>>20199295It is feeling kind of grimderp. Why don't we have people be optimistic for the most part? Like they always think "Everything is about to get better." And "It is darkest before the dawn, but the dawn will come" and etc?
>>20199313Oh! I got it, and we make almost all of it SALT water, that way people can't drink it!
>>20199323Because that word comes from centuries of construct, familiar, and eidolon servitude. If they don't use it, neither should we. They deleted it from their memory files. I suppose if they instead called each other that, *then* you could use that word, but they don't. They said that they didn't want the word used and they've held up their end of the bargain.
>>20199327I like it, this is real world building.On the whole magnets thing, let's just assume the people in this world don't understand how the fuck magnets work too. It'll be the one similarity between our two worlds.
Totally not important but what if every one thought that vampires were like in that crappy Dracula book. Oh and that great work about vampire human relations was seen as a cancerous piece of crap.
>>20199372Okay get this.What if they didn't have Vampires, so all of this is fiction?What if their dead stay dead? No ghosts, no undead.
What if we have the Germans losing because the Americans decide to get involved for some reason?
>>20199365I like it a constant that shows even with their OP science stuff they are still bested by the mysterious ways of magnets.
>>20199384That was assumed I though
>>20199261Oh, since you guys like grampy Theo so much, maybe we could somehow spin my great great uncle too? He was a bit of a Gandhi loving traitor back when he was alive, so scratch that. But like, make him also super cool and powerful and maybe boost some sort of economic system? Like, I know this wouldn't work in real life, but maybe he'd get everyone into government funded jobs and save the day! And... and then he could fight Ghandi, or whomever it is in this universe... was it that painter guy? I dunno, I never did like pop-art. Oh oh oh! And he totally is BFFs with England! And he's got a great speaking voice and is a great speech writer! Wait... no... marty stu territory again... let's put him in a wheel chair but give him the ability to do everything that someone without a wheelchair can do! Yeah, that would be badass! (Pic related, it was my traitorous great great uncle)
>>20199350because i'm a twisted individual...let's make that true. let's say that solutions are just around the corner, that despite all their struggles that solutions are available, but that things like greed, pride, and power are just in the way. it's a bit much, but i think it could also explain how a lot of even our best people irl could be monsters in this world. it could even be a result of nonmagic, perhaps they do have magic, but instead of seeing the error of their ways during the witch hunts and dark ages, they ended up killing all the world's magically-gifted humans, and they never went on to interbreed with the rest of us, meaning that without magical talent disseminating into earth's populations, creating witch doctors, sorcerers, runesmiths, imagineers, mathemagicians, and alchemistry majors... they had magic, but without realizing it, they killed their own best hope.
>60's with futuristic technology>cyberpunk hippies
>>20199438>put him in a wheelchairGood...>make the wheelchair irrelevantNo. Make the wheelchair part of his character - he has to struggle to function without it, but he can't use it in public for fear of looking like a weak old man. It isn't perfect but it's a hell of a lot better.
Guys, what if that famous book "A Tale of Two Cities" Started with some stupidass line that contradicts itself like "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...."
This fread is now way to ridickyloss
Suddenly, Australia makes total sense.
>>20199501Ok... well if he can drive a car we've got a deal.
>>20199508We can't keep adding references to specific works of fiction or the whole thing will seem like a joke. Sorry to bring you down but this is beyond the scope of our project.
Okay, so how about this? You know how Germany starts a second world war, right? Well, at the start of the war, the Germans seem almost unbeatable. Like, they defeat France in just a few weeks, even though France has this huge army, but the Germans just go through it like butter. And then they own most of Europe, except for Britain and Russia, because the Italians and the Austr-Hungarians and everybody is on their side. Also, the Germans should be the bad guys, so maybe they should do things like burn books and say they own the entire planet. And maybe they could start killing certain people for no real reason, too, just because they hate people and they're evil. And their uniforms should have skulls on them, so everyone knows they're the bad guys.Anyway, so the Germans own most of Europe, right? But they decide to invade Russia, because the Russians are Marxists in this universe and Germans hate that for some reason. And it looks like they'll almost take over Russia, and there are all these battles where the Russians get completely annihilated, but then the Russians barely stop them outside of Moscow, even though lots of Russians die. But the Germans are going to just wait until the winter is over, and then attack again.
>>20199611So everybody thinks that the evil Germans are going to take over the world, right? Except the Americans don't care, because it's all on a different continent. But then they get bombed in the Pacific by somebody like Japan or something, and because the Germans are friends with the Japanese they decide to beat the Germans and save the world.So first the Americans and their British friends decide to invade Italy, who are kind of comic relief, because they can never do anything right and they screw up everything the Germans tell them to do. And so the Italians surrender right away, but then the Germans move into Italy and suddenly the Americans and British can't move up anymore.So right now there's all these countries fighting against the evil Germans with the Americans, like Canada and Mexico, and Australia, and maybe Brazil or something, and they call themselves 'The Alliance' because that sounds cool. And the Germans and the Japanese call themselves the Axis, because they're the Axis of Evil.So the Alliance (Or 'Allies' for short) decide to invade France and end the Germans once and for all. But all the German soldiers are super tough and mean, so it's really hard for them. And when the do invade, lots of allied soldiers die really heroically, and it almost looks like the Germans will win, but then the allies pull off a stunning defeat in France and recapture all of it in just a couple of months. So then the Allies are moving in to Germany from the west, and the Russians are coming in from the east (Because they defeated the Germans in Russia too) and eventually the Germans surrender to them. And then the allies make the Germans promise never to be evil again, and they all become good guys.
>>20199623Oh yeah, I guess the Japanese are still there, too. Uh...maybe the Americans make a giant bomb that destroys entire cities, and they use it to make Japan surrender, and then the Japanese promise never to be evil again and they become friends with America
Okay, so what if instead of putting the most intelligent and effective leaders in political power, the majority of governments were comprised of people elected by the uneducated masses through some kind of polling system.
Their scientists should be super-reckless. Like maybe at some underground facility there's a machine that could straight up just make a black hole and kill everyone - but they do it anyway.And like, that sort of thing just happens every day. They don't use anti-gravity to send people to space, just shoot people into the sky by strapping explosives to the backs of their vehicles.You know what, fuck it, let's make everything they use run on explosions.
>>20199581I agree, let's stick to world events, and really try and contemplate a world without magic. Oh man, what do you think would become of the College of Baghdad, where the world famous Djiinn-Binders train? I wonder how they would fare in the whole "middle-east as chaos" area.
>>20199636That would actually explain a lot of the problems rather realistically. It fits, I like it, it makes all the grimderp believable. Polling + lack of education would put some terrible folks in power.
What if this world has overpowered 'science' technology, like you guys said, but there's nothing fun to do for the huge population (With shorter lifespans and no magic contraceptives, people would be everywhere!) so they just spend their days working to support the giant population, and their evenings drinking mind-numbing poison to distract themselves from the utter pointlessness of life without Pokemon.
>>20199640Maybe whatever fuel source they use is like super rare, so all their tech is getting closer and closer to collapse.Possible reason for all these wars they're having?
>>20199676>PokemonI know that /vp/ is the sole reason why this site exists and that it is still the most important board but I'm trying to have a good time without having to even see that word.
>>20199640>>20199634>>20198536>>20198441>>20198265>>20197529Fuck yeah, explosions.
>>20199685actually someone mentione earlier, they've no way to make more of it, so, it wouldn't need to be rare, just finite. so the more people that came around, the more would need it, but the supply would never increase, meaning it'd go down and never come back up, and it'd come down faster as the need for it went up.oh god, fire and explosions powering everything... what if this petrol-fuel is responsible for the world warming like some anon mentioned?
>>20199726Envision a large space travel vessel powered by making many atomic bombs explode every so many seconds.
What if humans never evolved the ability to access our telepathic hivemind? What would replace it? Maybe some kind of network of connected machines that were able to transmit and receive messages through complex electrical signals.Would that even work? I'm going out on a limb here guys.
Good god, we have already run out of ideas and begun to repeat ourselves.All is lost. Abandon thread. Do not start thread 2.
>>20199746That's so crazy that it just might work.
>>20199870was a good run though, if we were to have a second thread on this alternate Urth I imagine we would either start with crunch or writefaggotry.
