Let's talk some more about this. Translation is on-going, but the existing pages have been edited for clarity.Raws: http://www.mediafire.com/?ma662073xgs1lnfTranslation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13I4L5UGoVV88G4v9Ax7j_2gTJvx5efA4CzYs_Yf-AF0/editMore importantly, we were thinking of how to put other Magic decks and their players in the manga, with generally more interesting results than what writers were actually paid to make. So far we've got a council influenced by planeswalkers and others, a teacher who willingly sides with Phyrexia, a former Timmy tempted by the Eldrazi's power, and a lot more.How would your favorite deck make it into this?
I just learned about this. Also, this is INSANE. Really, Japan?
>>20085957More like, "Really, Wizards?"Manga designed to sell toys is not exactly new.
Honestly im stunned it took Japan this long to apply the YGO treatment to MAgic considering that theyve done it to ALL the other popular CCGs in Japan. And considering the VERY correct play by the Blue chick with the EoT Think Twice into a miracle Temporal Mastery, allowing her to win the game, it wont blatantly disregrad the rules for the card game like YGO the show did at first.
What the fuck is going on here?
Japs love MtGIf that is what Pixiv is a good measurer for
>>20086017SCALED WURM HAS HIS OWN FUCKING TAGS ON PIXIV
>>20086031Hugs for everyone
>>20086011we're just talking about something japan made that we love more than you
>>20086031SCALED WURMS EVERYWHERE
The actual size is too large for the board, butPlaymat where?
>>20085862Clearly one of the decks in this should be a Battle of Wits deck. Because the troll that stems from a workable deck full of silver bullets all built around an alternate win condition would be hillarious.
>One of them plays W/U Delver>Show is over
>>20086149I wonder how the RDW player would act.
>>20086251Typical shounen idiot hero, with a penchant for blowing things up and what may be pyromania. He and RW player (the justice-bro delinquent) would be pals.
>>20086275Ehhh, that's boring. I'd personally try to twist the stereotype a bit.
>>20085999Wait what what the fuck. WHAT the FUCK.
>>20086310Well, how about Goblins guy only seems stupid because he seems so impulsive but he's just doing that because he's a quick thinker who likes to plan on the fly?
>>20086328I like that a bit better. And sometimes his plans are actually pretty good.
It's like the people in this thread have mastered the art of obfuscating English.
When is the rest of the translation coming out?
Black Goth Loli > Blue Council President > Green Casualfag > White Slave > lolRed
>mfw weeaboo's will flock into Magic thinking it's like the animu shit they'll get.Goddamn, everytime i see one of those yugio shits i want to punch their face with a rocket, and now wizards is trying to get those stupid fucks to play the same game?? FUCK THAT SHIT.TIME TO GET SOME L5R
>>20086718It's coming out as people come and go to help out. If you know some moonrunes, help out. It's become a pet project of /tg/'s.
>>20086738Interesting how the Red guy looks more like the "purge with cleansing fire"!Red than "lololburninatethegoblins"!Red. In retrospect, the former sounds more White than Red.
>>20086823A lot of good players were already asian. Increasing a player base is rarely a bad thing.
>>20086823>implying MtG isn't a perfect otaku game
>>20086852were the hell do you live to have majority of asian players?
On the bright side, it seems like they're going to follow the actual rules of the game, so that's cool.It still feels weird as hell to me that this is a thing that actually exists, though. I mean, yeah it was probably inevitable, but that doesn't change the fact that it's weird.
I'm just starting to play magic and what is this
>>20086875Considering the game fluff says that all players are planeswalkers, would you rather duels play out narratively as the student council hops from plane to plane and get into shenanigans? They can go sightseeing with Tamiyo.
>>20086916This is how the Japanese promote M13.
>>20086916Take the YGO anime, and base it around MtG instead. Oh and actually follow the rules instead of "Ill use catapult turtle to blow up the floating ring on your castle which then falls and kill all of your manz." Or oh even better first turn Dark Magician.
>>20086924Only if it's done like The Magic Schoolbus."Today, we're going to learn about the cycle of death and more death in Grixis!" (shutup I know Grixis is part of Alara now)
>>20086991Id prefer that episode to be about the Golgari instead.
What is this? Where do I throw my money?>also dissappointed no western cartoon :(.It's funny, I had this anime picture of Myojin of Cleansing Fire (see pic) I had gotten years ago back in HS. All I can find is this card because it is on my photo bucket, maybe with a little luck the picture will still be saved on my old desktop.
>>20086991>>20087007Tamiyo is Ms. Frizzle? That sounds wonderful.
>>20087007With Jarad vod Savo as the special guest, to educate Ravnican children on common misconceptions about the Golgari?
>>20087033That assumes the show is based out of Ravnica. I'm talking the actual student council here planejumps to places like Ravnica."Everyone stay close, councilmembers," Tamiyo dutifully rebukes. "You may have your sparks ignited but that doesn't make things any less dangerous. Come, I'll take you to meet Niv-Mizzet. He's a good friend of mine."
>>20087072So then the UG-playing science teacher has to cover for all their absences while they planeswalk. Well, at least until the New Phyrexia arc."Yes, they're all sick, Principal. I got a call from their parents this morning. Fancy that, all of them getting struck by stomach flu at the same time. What a coincidence!"
>>20087072>>20087072>Tamiyo>Niv-Mizzet>friendsYou amuse me human. I'll obliterate you last.
>>20087115Dude, Ms. Frizzle knew EVERYONE.
The coldest motherfucker plays RDW. He is constantly measuring life, turns, draws and threats so that he can push through those final 3 points of damage in one turn.
so the BBEG will be a Nicol Bolas adept??
>>20087182Nope its gonna be a guy that unleashes the Eldrazi on the Multiverse or Jin-Gitaxis when he discover that there are other planes.
>>20087182For the first arc or so.Eventually, he'll be forced to team up with the Student Council against the Eldrazi and the Phyrexians. The more he fights alongside the council, the more he grows to understand the concepts of friendship, camaraderie and mercy, and he decides to make a heel face turn......only to be swatted down by Bolas in one of the most heartwrenching scenes of the show.
>>20087182SO sick of seeing BOLAS ERRYWHERE. I hope not.
>>20087157You'd think that would be the Black goth girl. If any color is conniving (not counting Blue), it's black. The Red fellow really doesn't fit my image of RDW. Yeah, pick your targets and make your shots count, but still.New thought: the student council picks up EDH/Commander. Their commanders act like spirit advisors or Stands like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.
>>20087241This brings up another question, will they only feature standard or other formats too....delicious pauper arc.
>>20087241This would actually work really well with what we've been making up all this time.>Sedris player turns out to be the BBEG>no surprise there
>>20087263The council members enter an old curio shop with an ancient old woman sitting behind the counter. They play a game with her, and she obliterates the council with her deck, which looks way older than theirs, appropriately enough. Then they spot the Power Nine hanging on one of the walls.Turns out the old lady plays Vintage.
>>20087289>A,B,U Editions only>Vintage only>FINAL DESTINATION
They invite a kid to play a 6-player chaos match, and ignore him throughout the game because he seems to have no idea what he's doing.Then the kid pulls off his best Death Note impression with a JUST AS PLANNED
so... Manga only cards?Manga only cards.
>>20087241>"Feel your will break, your flesh will be stripped in the name of the all father of machines,! Commander Summon, ELESH NORN, GRAND CENOBITE
>>20087340Oh man, I can just imagine this for just about anything. I almost want to come up with these for my own decks.>Life becomes death. Death becomes life. May your rotting corpses bear the fruit of my army! Commander Summon, GHAVE, GURU OF SPORES!
>>20087361>>20087361Not playing Treva? I'm somewhat disappointed. Ghave is a fine choice anyways.
>>20087380I couldn't think of a badass intro for Treva.>He bears the faces of the dead, bringing them honor as he defiles their rest. May your fallen serve me well! Commander Summon, THE MIMEOPLASM!
>>20087361>Twins playing a single deck>"One becomes two. Two becomes four. Our math is infallible! Let our two souls show you true power! Commander Summon: RIKU OF TWO REFLECTIONS!"
>>20087395>mimeoplasmGlorious i might say.
>>20087338>manga only cards>implying they won't use anything suitable for the characters and plotI want to see two characters who personify Old Phyrexia and New Phyrexia, and switch between enemies and allies whenever it's suitable for them.
>>20087395>>20087361>>20087340Ha! I love these. Think you can come up with one for this guy?
>>20087403>The fires of my passion burn ever-brighter, until they explode in a supernova of manly hotbloodedness! Commander Summon: ASHLING, THE PILGRIM!This is fun.
>>20087403They'd be playing Twin-Headed Giant
>>20087395>>20087361>>20087340All of my money.>"Rise from your graves, servants, and bow to your rightful king! The ruler of death walks among you once more! Commander Summon-- SEDRIS, THE TRAITOR KING!"
>>20087361>>20087395>>20087340Would definately be fun, you can't have a Card Game Anime without DRAMATICALLY SUMMONING YOUR ACE IN THE HOLE WITH A HOT BLOODED SPEECH after allAlthough it would kinda be somewhat silly in a game like Magic>"Behold! SUN TIT-">"Vapor Snag">"... Eat a sack of baby dicks"
>>20087241>Borborygmos EDH>JUST HIT EM HARDER BOY
>>20087419>Are you familiar with the Golden Rule? He with the gold, makes the rules. Behold as your own loyal servants turn a blind eye for a coinpurse. Commander Summon: GWAFA HAZID, PROFITEER!
huh...no idea what i should say when i put Jareth in play or Ulasht
i'd love summoning speeches for eight and a half tails and sheoldred
>>20087448You sir, are fabulous.
>>20087438"You're wide open! With my army of soldiers and monsters, my victory is inevitable! This match was decided the moment you pulled out your deck! ALPHA STRIKE! TEAR HER ASUNDER!""Fog.""Oh what the fuck."
>>20087457>The light of hope burns brightest in the dark of your wickedness! Behold, the Champion of Light! Commander Summon: JARETH, LEONINE TITAN!>Hatred burns and grows like a disease. Once planted, even the tiniest seed can blossom into a mighty inferno of hate and disgust. My armor is contempt; My shield is disgust. My sword, hatred. Commander Summon: ULASHT, THE HATE SEED.
This is too much fun.>"My might is unmatched, my prowess unequaled! Stand, warrior, and face your death! Commander Summon! KRESH THE BLOODBRAIDED!">>20087419It wouldn't be as dramatic, since Gwafa is a manipulator at heart. It would also make Gwafa's player a stark contrast to our YOUNG, HOT-BLOODED protagonists.>"All things on this earth have their price. And the man who makes the price, holds the world in his hand. Commander Summon. Gwafa Hazid, Profiteer."
>>20087493You have my thanks fine sire.
>>20087496The Blue and White council members would be the only ones who keep their head the entire fight. Makes sense, since Blue is supposed to be the cool and collected student council president.
>>20087458>Inner peace can shield me from even the mightiest of blows. Watch, villain, as I show the light to your forces one by one. Commander Summon: Eight-And-A-Half Tails!>They say that knowledge is power; what then, does that make of my mistress? She who hears all? May the scratching of her claws be the last thing you ever hear. Commander Summon: Sheoldred, Whispering One.
do for this one please
i assume that somewhere in the story a player with a captain planet deck will appear ... or Slivers...
>>20087526>Turn your back on the hand that holds the blade, and you may just find it at your throat. Dare you turn your back on me? Commander Summon: KRENKO, MOB BOSS!"
So... are there pages with the text edited in? I can only view from my phone until I'm back on the gird next week, and raws+google doc isn't a very viable way to read a manga from a phone. Especially since I'm not even sure I can open a rar on this thing.I would make the pages myself, but... phone.
>The strength of the many outweigh the tyranny of the few! Together we are strong! Together our strength grows! Commander Summon, RHYS, THE REDEEMED!
>>20087535Slivers have to be a boss fight.And he has to win at least once with infinite infinite/infinite slivers (with Coat of Arms or Sliver Legion)
>>20087535I think in the last thread, the Slivers player was already established as a Jack-of-all-trades guy who can't settle on any one thing. Although, if you really want to play to tropes, make him the prototypical hivemind. Every sliver he plays seems to add onto his consciousness and make him appear more sane and collected as time goes on.
>>20087550No one's done editing yet, since the thing is still being translated. /a/ only just showed it to us yesterday, and it's become a pet project of /tg/'s to translate. If you want to help, go right ahead.
>>20087556And at least once, he's defeated by someone playing Plague Sliver or hivestone.
>Do you think your bolts and blades enough? Truly, prepare yourself for he who walks unseen! Commander summon, URIL, THE MISTSTALKER!
Oh god... "Annoying as hell kid uses Relentless Rats+ Thrumming Stone Deck"I wan't to see this more and more...
>You can't keep a good man down. Try as you might, I am nigh immortal. Life brings death! Commander Summon: Treva, the Renewer!Yeah, can't think of a good one for her.
>>20087572That player who plays the Hivestone is joined to the Sliver player's hivemind.>"My God, wh-what is this?">"My home, dear president. These are all my family. Now do you see why I treat them as such, when I cry every time you destroy one of them. They are me.">"You--">"And you will be part of me, too."
How about one for this guy?I love the idea of each school club corresponding to a guild, with student council being Azorius.
>>20087568If I remember and/or am reminded when I have time and am back with my computer, I'll help. Doesn't do much for now, though.
>>20087608>Here at the Student Council, much work is done to ensure that nothing is accomplished. Santen Kesshun: I reject. Commander Summon: Grand Arbiter Augustin IV.
Would you be able to do one for this guy? Or one for a Phyrexian?
>>20087608Wasn't he the BBEG of the Ravnica block? I'd think Bruna would be the Student Council president's Commander. Augustin would belong to her rival. She wants to take control of the Student Council for order's sake, unlike the President who really does care for the student body.
All these people coming up with Commander Summon lines, and no one thinks to what will happen when they play a Planeswalker. Imagine the player having a full conversation with the walker while they fight. The Red council member would banter endlessly with Chandra while the Black goth member rubs her hands evilly with Liliana and oogles at Sorin.
>>20087631Not sure if he was the BBEG, can't remember that arc much. However it could totally work, have the student council head trying to shut down the other clubs.
>>20087629I'm not sure you can do a proper Eldrazi summon, since the guy playing them must almost always be the bad guy. He's too far gone and descended into chaos to properly invoke him. He just laughs maniacally and growls and roars as he slaps Emrakul on the field.
>>20087655Well, how about a Phyrexian then?
>>20087635 Would they count as being greater in power then a commander? Would be the equivilant of Yugi dropping an Egyptian God Card onto the field or something?
>>20087646But the student council members are the protagonists. Sure, if they're gimmicky and silly enough, they could get into character and dick around with Augustin.>>20087662See the Elesh Norn summon, the first one that kicked it off after the JoJo comment.
>>20087662Elesh Norn and Sheoldred have been done, but not the other three
>>20087669>>20087688Alright, looking for them.
>>20087668A Planeswalker card implies the walker in question is on (relatively) equal standing with the player (hence the Loyalty counters). I'd picture them in much the same way as the commander, except more of a profound entity since they're actually, y'know, walkers. Imagine a ghost-like Jace head popping up out of the president's library, reminding her about particular tactics.
>>20087629Can anyone explain to me what emrakul actually IS? All the magic fluff I can find on the internet is incredibly vague.
>>20087688Welp.>"The flesh of the weak feeds the strong! The cycle of predation is the one and only truth! Let the weak and the botched perish: let them be ground to dust under the feet of the mighty! Commander Summon: VORINCLEX, VOICE OF HUNGER!"
>>20087688>Survival of the Fittest: That is the law of all life. Let me show you which of us is the fittest! Commander Summon: Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger.>Such knowledge to be had, all tucked away in that greasy meatsack of a body... won't you let me carve you open to learn? Commander Summon: Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur.>GOTTAGOFASTCOMMANDERSUMMONURABRASKTHEHIDDEN
>>20087706He's a hip dude.
>>20087719>GOTTAGOFASTCOMMANDERSUMMONURABRASKTHEHIDDENIll admit i loled heartily.
>>20087706He's a...thing that eats planes among an entire race of things that eat planes. I'm sure that's all that's pertinent. If there's anything that's similar to the Egyptian God Cards, it's the Eldrazi.>"What are you doing?! You summon that and it'll destroy everything!">"In case you haven't noticed, I stopped caring about the world three turns ago."I wonder what would happen if the president summons Progenitus.
>>20087740>Progenitus>Being usefulWouldn't a person with a deck full of Dragons, birds and flying creatures beat someone who would use Progenitus as a trump card easily?
>>20087719>GOTTAGOFASTCOMMANDERSUMMONURABRASKTHEHIDDENOh god, my sides.
>>20087629>Time and space, torn asunder! Behold, the end of days. Commander Summon: EMRAKUL, THE AEONS TORN!Nevermind that you'd have to be a cheating bastard to be playing Emrakul, what with the ban and all.
>>20087740So there's really no more detailed fluff than that?Huh.He looks really cool. I love MtG art.
>>20087758Imagine someone using Progenitus as their commander just to use the colors.>"What the hell is that? THAT is your commander?! I don't wanna see that thing on the field.">*light chuckle* "My dear, you say that as if he's the most dangerous thing in my deck. Isn't that right, Progy-kun?">"W-what?">"Progy-kun? Seriously?"
>>20087787>Casual format. No tournaments or anything like that.>Has a banned list.I still dont understand this. Why does a causal format need a banned list?
>>20087733Is it weird and wrong that I can translate most of that to his actual abilities, and see the reasoning behind the chosen slang?Or just groovy?
>>20087787Why is he banned? Are the other Eldrazi banned as well?
>>20087811Because no one likes nofunallowed.jpg decks in a casual format.
>>20087787Yep. That's why Emrakul's player is the BBEG of his own arc. The Council has to sever him from the Eldrazi's control before he tears apart space and time.After he is un-brainwashed, he joins the Council as a sixth ranger. Mayael the Anima becomes his new Commander, teaching him the ways of the gargantuan and how to turn it to good.
>>20087817Groovy.>>20087789>evidence of a dragon fetishist >>20087825How is he nofunallowed.jpg
This is an old spark for a new day. Lightning Elemental.Apex predator of man, taken from his form, taught in darkness. Steal life and soul.fVampire Nighthawk.
>>20087841You get an extra turn for casting him, and it's ludicrously easy to hit 15 mana in commander fairly early. Trust me, he's banned as a Commander for a good reason. Pick a fun commander instead.
>>20087864[spoiler] I have never played Commander[/spoiler]Is Decree of Annihilation frowned upon or banned in any way?
>mfw they all are shown the one true path to enlightenment and embrace the perfection that is Phyrexia[spoiler]Old Phyrexia; New Phyrexia is nothing more than a bunch of pretenders[/spoiler]
>>20087824Emrakul is banned because otherwise he would be in every deck.Colorless means anyone can play him, and he has ridiculous board impact. He's guaranteed to get a hit in if you hard cast him. And no, 15 mana is not hard to get to in EDH.Also, games started boiling down to 'get to 5 mana, cast Bribery, get Emrakul, gg'
>episode where opponent cheats/manipulates decks>ExploreOh man...
>>20087879Alex Bertoncini confirmed for BBEG
>>20087879Imagine getting into the argument over whether or not mana weaving is deck-stacking and is therefore illegal.>"I've never seen that sort of shuffle before. What is that, prez?">*serious frown* "A forbidden technique. The Mana Weave."
>>20087896>Three pages of that looping argument:>That's stacking the deck!>No, I shuffle, so it's perfectly randomized.>So what's the point?>It distributes my mana evenly!>That's stacking the deck! >No, I shuffle...
Finally, a good way to put in Archenemy as a story device
>>20087913The argument is ended when the president plays, gets mana-screwed, and still wins.>"When you have faith in your deck and your skill, you don't need something like the Mana Weave. Those who believe in weak techniques like that are ten years too young to face me!"
>>20087949The argument gets opened again when the new villain (That probably plays blue) always manaweaves, and wins.>"I have mastered the forbidden techniques of card shuffling. I reduce every posibility of me getting screwed to zero. By controlling the way cards are distributed on my deck, I control the outcome of the match even before the match has begun. You have no chance of winning."
>>20088040That could be the Bolas agent's first appearance. Before he learns the power of sportsmanship and camaraderie.
We need more people who can read the moonrunes. Maybe we should go find that guy who did the Chandra manga? I think he was from Salvation.
>>20088040He is defeated when someone learns his deck stacking pattern, and uses precision mill to remove all non land cards.
>>20088040>>20088067You know what would be silly to see in this?A working Battle of Wits deck.>"You don't honestly need a suitcase to carry a deck around." (beat) "Does he?"
>>20088100>>20086149We think alike.
>>20086870where the hell did he type the word majority?
>>20088123That's a hell of an onomatopoeia.
>>20088139The only way that could be better is if they actually used mise as a sound effect.
>>20087740She's already holding a stormtide in the picture. Progenitus is nothing to her
I'm surprised this haven't happened before. Hasbro is a pretty faceless and soulless corporation, and Magic has been pretty big in Japan for a LOOONG time.
>>20088319Imagine if the series goes global. The council meets the Russian with the stompiest Green deck they've ever seen or a conniving UW dudes deck.
why do i see the black player as being tsundere as hell??
>>20088388She's meant to be a little creepy, if the skull necklace and dark smile and glower are anything to go by. She's a good kid at heart (hence why she's on the council), but she believes in the means to an end and is absolutely ruthless in play. Expect the haughty noblewoman laugh when she drops three bombs in a row. She's the council's ringer, second only to the prez herself.
>>20088425Good, but it doesn't explain if she's a tsundere or not.
>>20088451Maybe, but likely only to the council or whoever she likes. It's up to you, really.
>>20088388I dunno about tsundere, but she beats the white player and collars him.I can't read the moonrunes, but I can guess what's going on there.
>> Mad scientist who plays RU control>> His rival who plays artifact deck with Darksteel >>a Troll player who uses unhinged and unglued cards
>>20088629The Unsets would be an omake.>*turn away* "Can you get me a drink? Thanks." *turn back* "Why are there twenty Cheatyfaces on the field?">"IDUNNOLOL"
>>20088545>not destroying the forces of darkness with your Tempered Steel-powered soldiers of burning hateThat's the white player I want.
>>20087789... I do that. 5 colour Ally deck, Progenitus is just there to make people think everything leads up to him. Before I've even got enough mana to cast him, I've got a dozen ever-growing creatures on the field and I've gained 20 life.That is absolutely what that character would act like. He gets everyone scared of his general, but it's all a big bait and switch as he whittles you down with... well, whatever else is in the deck.Alternatively, a good one-shot antagonist would be a guy playing Reaper King with a deck full of changelings and clones etc. Not sure how to work "Don't Fear the Reaper" into a manga, but eh.
Does anyone on this board even speak moon?We probably need /a/ or someone to translate this for us.
>>20089105There's been a couple fa/tg/uys who have done a bit of work on it. I know some moon, but my kanji is no good.
>>20089119I guess there's nothing to be done but wait and hope they don't forget about it.
>>20088348>Russian playing greenIt's a bear deck. After the Rusian is defeated by the MC, he is discovered to have been a bear all along as well.
>>20089296Well, that's awkward.
>Page 28>3 point damage>+4/+4=6/6Wait a second, I thought damage didn't use the stack any more? Wasn't that one of the things that they did back in 2010?
>>20089296Fucking brilliant. Wizards should hire us to write this shit.
>>20089363Combat damage doesn't use the stack, but you can still cast pump spells in response to burn, or during Declare Blockers before the damage is dealt.
Guys... I don't want to rain on your parade or anything... but this manga seems kinda shitty.
>>20089379The pig is depicted actually taking damage, but I guess that's just artistic license.
>>20089411Unless you're a moonspeaker, how do you even know? Besides, even if it is, then it'll be unintentionally funny, which is just as good.
>>20089439Yeah. Artistic license seems most likely; like in the YGO! anime, how they'd use some attack or ability or spell or whatever, there'd be a big explosion or whatever, then they gasp in surprise as the enemy's whatever is untouched.Because apparently you can activate your trap card without telling them, or letting them respond.
>>20089411The quality of the manga does not matter, only the subject.
>>20089411There's nothing too noteworthy about it yet, but based on what we have so far, it could still get good as it goes on.
>>20089471I don't know, but based on the little that's translated it doesn't seem to be going anywhere interesting, and looking at the pages, there doesn't seem to be any story beyond "high school kids play M:tG with each other", which I can see in real life every Friday night at the FLGS.
>>20089524We thought that about YGO too and then everything exploded and people's souls got taken to hell.
>>20089567How could that happen here though? Would it just be "suddenly, planeswalkers!"?
>>20089567And before you knew it, children's card games on motorcycles.
>>20089567you seem to not remember the first volume of Yu Gi Oh
>>20089679If it stays with this flavor, it's just very dramatic duels with lots of narrative flair. That'll be the day if the student council awakens their sparks.
>>20089679No, John, you are the planeswalkers.
>>20089718He probably meant the anime.
>>20089719>>20089679Urza comes and teleports his spark into the President's eyes, saving her from becoming blind and dooming himself in the process.
>>20089748you seem to not know the first episode of the anime
>>20089679No, it'd be more>suddenly this is a school for training planeswalkers
>>20089892And the name of the academy finally makes sense.>The dean of the school has Jace for a patron planeswalker.>The PE coach is Garruk.>Chandra is the guidance counselor.
You are now imagining Finkel showing up as a larger than life badass, Legend of Koizumi style.
>>20090088Naturally, pro circuit players will make cameos.
>>20089524I'm guessing the players at your FLGS don't wear such short skirts.At least, I hope not.
>>20089990Wait, what's the name of the Academy?
So will Timmy make a Cameo?
>>20085862>Look at the picture>The blue mage is the only one with his cards pointed towards himself so the other guy cant see>Also wearing a collarIts truw what they say, blue mages are not only the best, but little bitches too.
>>20090596That's the white mage, not the blue mage. Blue mage is the one in the center.He's apparently the black mage's bitch.
>>20090622Black is the superior colour, so all is right with the natural order.
>>20088100I can't see the wits player as anything other than a cool Old Guy who everyone thinks is terribad at the game until he wins out of fucking nowhere."Grandpa you can't have a deck that big. You'll never draw anything!""That's fine Black-chan.""But Grandpa! If you can't win than you're just wasting everyones time!""Oh? Black-chan you should pay attention to what your opponent does rather than to what you think an opponent should do. If you had you might not lose next turn.""What!? HOW!?""I cast Battle of Wits."
>>20087607The sliver player needs to be female now. Just so she can say 'My children are ever part of me'
>>20091212It's even creepier with her as a normal person, too.What would be the best matchups with these characters? Who should fight who?
>>20090258Mahochiei Academy"Maho" is "magic."
>>20091357What's "chiei"? Gathering?
>>20091276Well, first you have to establish who the five council members are.Blue (the president) is as she is in the manga: ever-collected, ever confident, smart, strong, worthy of the position of student council president. Naturally, being president and with that standing bet (whoever beats me in a round of Magic gets a date with me), she's probably the strongest member.Black is in >>20088425Green is the nice one, the pleasant individual who embodies the green ideal of harmony. She sounds like a greenhorn (hurr) at Magic, but she catches on quickly. Then again, she thinks Duskdale Wurm is cute. She probably plays traditional green stompy.The white player is the "arbiter of justice" type. He believes in order and unity, a real optimist. That said, order sometimes necessitates control (if that collar is to be believed, unless that's just Black dicking around). White has weenies and lifegain with some control.The red player throws me off, so someone can do him. Some variant of Red Deck Wins (RDW) plainly comes to mind, but I'm not sure how well that meshes.
>>20091563I would imagine he starts out as a calculating type that loves red's agressiveness, but he often gets frustrated quickly or runs out of options too early, possibly the most likely member of the student council to be the Worf (is shown to be incredibly strong, but is then continually beaten by newcomers to show how strong THEY are).Probably converts to Izzet in season 2.
Inb4 all their personalities miss the pointtime of their color identity.
>>20091664So he loves Red's damage output but hates that he has no longevity.>"I trust you have an answer to that which is on my field. Otherwise, you won't last much longer.">"What're you babblin' about, ya runt? It's just a couple goblins.">"I'll put it this way: you have two turns.">"What?">"If you don't beat me by then, those 'couple goblins' will burn you alive while their MANY brethren overrun you and your creatures."
>>20091728They're players, not cards. They don't have color identities.
>>20091745Yeah, either a traditional goblin rushdown deck or just some burn-heavy generic RDW shit. Probably goes into topdeck mode a lot.
>>20091563I was thinking more among the characters /tg/ created.Me, I want to see Myr Guy's Tempered Steel Myr deck face off against some black deck with Avatar of Woe, bolstered by threshold, dredge, etc.
>>20091745>>20091779>implying a generic red deck could win with two goblins in two turns
>>20091563According to /a/, the collar is just Black dicking around. Also, Black-tan says 'death' instead of desu, apparently.Oh, and yes, she does the rich girl laugh.
I have a scarecrow deck from Shadowmoor.Surely that's worth a featuring in the manga, even if only as the generic FEAAARRRR goon.
>>20091990That was...way more spot-on than I anticipated.
>>20091990She is now my fucking waifu. I want to read all of her archs.
>>20092094You and me both. Fukken moonrunes.
Okay, for people doing the animu-style summon stuff, I play Rosheen Meanderer EDH.
Also, I've been watching Cardfight! Vanguard, the anime. It is also a card game from Japan and like, so far, every episode has had them just like, sit around and play cards at the card shop.No magic, no nothing. They even just IMAGINE things.
>>20092272> The difference between "madness" and "wisdom" is only skin-deep. The secret paths of knowledge lead me to the limitless fonts of power. Commander Summon: Rosheen Meanderer!
>>20092439Oh man, that is great. Like, thank you so much. I also have Jenara, Memnarch and Horde of Notions, so if anyone feels creative, enjoy.Anyway, hope this gets translated, 'cause I really wanna check this out.
What about that shemale vampire from MTG?The one with a dress and a huge dick?
This is just too fun. I can't stop.> Ancient magics echo through the world, calling on beings even older. Let the past return to rule again! Commander Summon: WREXIAL, THE RISEN DEEP!> The stories of the past are inspiration for the heroes of the future. By gathering the legends of others, I forge a legend for myself! Commander Summon: CAPTAIN SISAY!> I am beholden only to my own whim! The infinitude of imagination awaits! Commander Summon: HORDE OF NOTIONS!
Damn, to bad Kamigawa is a matter of past. Just imagine all those transformation sequences for flip-creatures.
>>20092803Innistrad man. Still got them DFC's.And speaking of Innistrad>Sometimes, you have to sacrifice to gain, and stitch together what is lost. Commander Summon, GRIMGRIN THE CORPSE BORN
For the people doing EDH introductions, anyone want to do Tibor and Lumia?
If the players in this manga have actual decks I'm going to laugh when they encounter the legacy blue player.>Hero makes long winded speech filled with gravitas>Tries to drop his bomb>Villain discards a card and casts Force of Will
So, who's actually gonna use their commander introductions in their next game?
>>20092716If you're going to read these out loud, it's required that you strike some Power Ranger poses before you windmill slam the card
>>20093297>Prepare for trouble, and make it double. Tibor! Lumia! Casting instants left and right - Izzet, that's right!
My hope for the Red player is that he's like Joey from Yu-Gi-Oh! and uses a bunch of crazy luck-effect cards like Warp World and Tyrant of Discord.Oh god, there needs to be a guy with Dovescape.dec
>>20093297> Flames, blaze a path! Wind, guide me! Only I know where the two shall meet; Commander Summon, Tibor and Lumia!
>>20092716>>20093311>Look how about I just beat you instead of monologuing. Commander Summon: Vendilion Clique.
>>20093415I just noticed that all the characters' names are color puns.Aoko - aoi - blueMidori - greenAkira - akai - redMashiro - shiroi - whiteYami - black (normally "kuroi" is black)
>>20093415That works. It's a lot more interesting to watch than a standard RDW build, and it also opens up great opportunities for him to win out of nowhere.
>>20093462Well, these players are all using the current meta, so I'm not sure how viable those are.
Someone want to make an intro for Bruna, Light of Alabaster?
>>20093297> With eyes gazing at the sky, we invoke the boons of wind! With eyes focused downward, we call the fires of destruction! The twining of magics releases an exquisite harmony! Commander Summon: TIBOR AND LUMIA!> All things bow to metal, and metal bows to me. The lord of the world returns! Commander Summon: MEMNARCH!> Strife and calamity strip the world's illusions to reveal the hidden truth: that within each chest beats the heart of a dragon, if only you will it so. Commander Summon: HOMURA, HUMAN ASCENDANT!
>>20093451Yami means 'dark,' so...
>>20093375>>20093375That's fucking golden. I'm totally gonna bust that out next time I play.
>>20093547Well, there you go.Yami - dark - blackIf her name was "Kuroko" or some variation, it would be a more direct pun.
>>20093490>I lost my copy of Zur the Enchanter so this will have to do! Commander Summon: BRUNA, LIGHT OF ALABASTER!
>>20093651Man... that hit way too close to home.
>>20093651Episode arc: rumors are going around of some hotshot beating everyone in the school with some godly deck outside of everyone's caliber, rendering people silent. The council investigates and finds out this kid is some netdeck fucker who proxies EVERYTHING. What happens?
>>20093490> All things carry the spark of enchantment. With a whisper and a gesture the world's magics leap readily to my side! Commander Summon, BRUNA, LIGHT OF ALABASTER!Also working on some for the other AVR mythic legends.
>>20093703People decide not to play with him. He assumes it's because it's because his cards are proxies, but then people convince him it's because he's a douche.He becomes a friend, still using proxies, but with a more reasonable deck. Later his proxies save the day against someone really powerful.
>I AM THE BONE OF MY ATOG>TEETH ARE MY BODY AND STOMACH ACID IS MY BLOOD>I HAVE CONSUMED OVER A THOUSAND ARTIFACTS>UNKNOWN TO VICTORY>UNAWARE OF LOSS>I HAVE WITHSTOOD RIDICULE TO CREATE MANY +X/+X BONUSES>YET, THIS DECK WILL NEVER ACTUALLY WIN A GAME>SO AS I PRAY, COMMANDER SUMMON: ATOGATOG!
>>20093631Yami's a weird first name anyway. I've only ever seen it used as a descriptor. 'Yami no shigaisho,' for example (Generals of Darkness).
Who wants to see a rich netdecker who has a totally new deck every time? That would be fun to see.
>>20093781>implying the company who sells the cards would encourage proxy use
>Banlists? Fairness? FEH! A demon cares naught for such things! COMMANDER SUMMON: GRISELBRAND
>>20093781I don't know much about MtG. But, looking at how YGO does it...Theme decks (Slivers, Goblins, etc.)Decks with no real card counterpartsDecks with something super-overpowered (Jace?)Actual RL playable decks
>>20093835I think there's enough variety in Magic that they could manage to not have to make up cards for a single situation.
>>20093781>>20093781>"Magic is all abought who bought the best deck! It's pay to win and I paid out the ass!">Gets beat by the token poor kid playing with a starter deck that he worked and saved for a month to buy
>>20093872Oh, with a little help from the protagonist, of course."Here you go, kid. You can borrow it for a while.""Wow, Wild Mongrels!"
>>20093835The manga should be able to get away with RL decks, considering it kinda has to. I'd imagine a good way to build a narrative is to build the characters' decks, sit down and play a few games, note the turns and actions, and if a game is dramatic enough, write up a narrative for it.
>>200938351. almost guaranteed.2. Unlikely. There's plenty cards, and those cards are what they're selling.3. Guaranteed, considering RL decks are heavily based around shit like that.4. I imagine all decks will be playable.
>>20093730> There is no injury that cannot be borne! There is no foe that cannot be subdued! There is nobody too weak to find strength in me - and the future I promise! Commander Summon: AVACYN, ANGEL OF HOPE!> All things carry the spark of enchantment. With a whisper and a gesture the world's magics leap readily to my side! Commander Summon, BRUNA, LIGHT OF ALABASTER!> The world repays an evil thought with an evil response. So too is pure intent reflected. The world's misfortunes shall pass me by. Commander Summon: SIGARDA, HOST OF HERONS!> In the thickest of combat, justice shall be done; the wicked shall be struck down, and the faithful shall withstand. My sight and my sword ensure it! Commander Summon: GISELA, BLADE OF GOLDNIGHT!I can't make a good one for Griselbrand.
>>20093895Mongrel was practically a pauper deck anyways.I imagine they'll use mostly newer cards. Selling those cards is the point, after all. It ought to still be entertaining, however.
>>20093967This IS meant to be an M13 promo, anyway, though they have some New Phyrexia cards in the manga.
>>20093926Also, play blue with less counters. Give them enough to display it as the strength of the color, but the appeal does tend to revolve around creatures. Plus constant countering would make the games boring from a storytelling perspective.
>>20094006Also some Innistrad stuff, I guess, since they had those miracle cards.Seems reasonable to assume most of the cards will be from Standard, with maybe a few exceptional instances of older yet new-player-friendly cards cropping up. Think Duels of the Planeswalkers, I guess.
>>20093963>GiselaWhy is there a card named after my grandmother?
>>20094050What, nobody told you that your grandmother was a vengeful angel from Innistrad? I thought everyone knew that.
>>20094019Well, outside of creatures, every color has their own gimmicks that need to be showcased.Red needs to show the 20,000 ways to burn a man to death.Blue needs to show counter and control.White needs to show lifegain and dudes (with some control).Green needs to show buffs.Black needs to show how it does a little of everything at a cost.It'd be plenty interesting, I think, to show a character playing a full blue counter deck.>"Your conventional tactics won't work on me. For your information, there are only two creatures in this entire library.">"Eeeeeeeh?! Such a deck exists?!"
>An endless stream of bullshit! You have already lost. Commander Summon: ZUR THE ENCHANTER!
>>20094040Also, show off more of the casual formats, like EDH/Commander, Archenemy, Planar Magic, and a bunch of the different game styles: Two-Headed Giant, Emperor, multiplayer mayhem, etc.
>>20094116And there's your story arc. Green ramp deck can't beat strong blue counter. Then he brings this guy in during the rematch.However, it can't be a pure blue counter. It should be, maybe, an enchantment or something that counters stuff. Because again, we're trying to avoid a blue that just counters shit all day and makes undramatic games.
>>20094125I imagine they'd be more than happy to show off whatever the casual format of the season is.
>>20094094>"Fufufufufufufu. You cannot beat me if you cannot cast even a single spell."
I can already hear the stereotypical anime dialogue whenever the protagonist is running low on life. "Tch, it can't be helped....I'll have to use 'THAT'!" And then he busts out a Worldfire
>>20094094Buffs are nothing to green compared to mana ramps and big creatures.
>>20094156I think it can be plenty dramatic to see Midori the green newbie get stonewalled by a blue counterfag and try to scramble to mount an offensive before she's either whittled away or milled to death.>"Unlike your fleeting spells, my monster are permanent, and they have to get through sooner or later!"
>>20094206Reiterated, then:>Green needs to show off buffs, mana ramp, and just how STOMPY its creatures are.That's what separates it from other colors. Other colors have lots of dudes or gimmicky dudes. Green has BIG DUDES, and sometimes, Occam's razor has to be proven right once in a while.
I feel Niv-Mizzets would be 2 paragraphs long
I kinda want to get a character sheet going for the people we're making up.
>>20093963>Crack the bones. Break the spine. With this dark knowledge, on your soul I'll dine. Commander Summon: Griselbrand.
>>20094252Niv-Mizzet's would be a mathematical proof.
>>20094215>Permanent, eh? We'll just see about that. Vapor Snag!>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH?!
>>20094274Honestly, his flavor text works perfectly.
>>20094215>she says, as she plays another creature.>"Nope," says her opponent, dropping another counter, "I play Blue. I'll never run out of counters. If there are none in my hand I can just play an instant to draw more! And statistically, I only have one more turn until I have all the pieces to one of my many instant win combos!"
>>20094304Just to rub it in, he uses a Palinchron combo.>"I think that this shows abilities trump power. But hey, maybe you can get some Eternal Witnesses or something. It won't make your deck any worse."
>"Fufufufu....You really searched your library this turn?">"Yeah, What of it?" >"With that simple, unassuming act, you've triggered my ARCHIVE TRAP! I'll relish your look of despair as the last of your library is wiped away!">"What? Thirteen cards? But my library has more cards than that!">"You didn't let me finish! Behold....TWINCAST! Now, Archive Trap's effect will be DOUBLED!">"NAAANIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII???"
>>20094304Then she comes next game and, having learned about Active Player Advantage, forces a creature through.Or just cheats with Thrun/Vexing Shusher, whichever.
>>20094356FUCKING ARCHIVE TRAP
When I play MTG, I don't play to win.I play to draw. Drawing pisses people off more than when I win. So I count it as a double-win in my books.My favorite strategy is using Daru Spiritualist to gain infinite life.
>>20094454Forgot my point. My point was, I should be the villain of a card game anime. The world's most annoying gamer.
>>20094454>>20094465MtG teaches you how to play politics better than Model UN.
>>20094465Make it so that all of the main characters are semi-newbies, who have normal high school lives and are just getting into MtG. But they have some talent; show their normal lives, like part-time jobs and stuff to get money to buy cards, and then ahve the last ten or fifteen chapters be their first tournament against Yuuki 'The Mind Sculptor' Aizawa, a boy from a neighboring school who has played for years and has amassed a lot of expensive and powerful cards.
"I mana-weave to ensure my deck runs at optimum efficiency. My black and blue control will leave your pathetic little burn deck... black and blue!" *giggle*>Burn player slowly and quietly removes a revolver from his pocket and places it neatly on the table next to his library."Wh-Why would you bring a weapon to a friendly--""You're cheating.">Suddenly riffle shuffles. Riffle shuffles everywhere.>U/B player cries silently before rolling a die to start the game.----another idea---->Look, I know this has been an INCREDIBLY confusing game so I'll make this easy on you; do you have a counterspell in hand? No? Okay then! COMMANDER SUMMON: NIV-MIZZET, THE FIREMIND!
>>20094510Black lotus, mox, mox, mox, <insert instant win combo here>"Good game. Rematch?"
Anyone want to give Odric or Zedruu the good ol' commander speech treatmentCaptca: ally Pro-PraetorBe an ally of the Praetors indeed, captcha
>>20094595And so the MCs place decently in the tournament, with one MC (probably U/B or something?) coming to the finals against the Rival. Rival wins, they learn a great lesson in tournament play, and the next volume begins with the characters going to other card shops outside their district to play and learn.
>>20094609>"You'll thank me for this. And this. Possibly this. Probably not that. Yeah, you can have this. Commander Summon: Zedruu the Greathearted.
>>20094609>Kindness as vast as the oceans, surpassed only by wealth! But beware of generals bearing gifts... Commander Summon: ZEDRUU THE GREATHEARTED!
>"I'm sorry... you've lost. By allowing my Platinum Angel to survive one turn, you have sealed your fate.">"Wha?!">"The Angel's unique ability is well known, but I have discovered its true power, and its true purpose. It is the key to summoning the forgotten commander, the entity that was deemed impossible to command without sacrificing one's own life. But this platinum wonder shields me from the summoning backlash. Now, prepare yourself for death!">"The black arts' culmination, the bane of all that lives! Gods and microbes, all shall fall before me!">COMMANDER SUMMON: PHAGE THE UNTOUCHABLE
>"I have reduced your life points to 3 little rat, one more ferocious attack from my Wild Nacatl will finish you for good nyan~.">"Kekekekekekekekeke.">"Nani!? You laugh at the face of defeat?">"Silly pussy cat, swing your claws and hiss as hard as you want, you will never kill off all my precious precious pets, I cast relentless rats.">"Impossible! We are only allowed 4 copies of a single spell! Nyoro-n~?">"Silly kitten, we rats are without number, where there is one rat, many more follow! BEHOLD, The power of thrumming Stone gives my relentless rats ripple 4, despair as your fate is sealed!">"NYAN DESU KA~"
>>20094652>In response, Boomerang your Angel.
>>20094670>Nyoro-n~?Wow, that's a little much even for me.
>>20094702Its a animu there's bound to be a catgirl.
>>20094696 Now I'm seeing this as a chaos game between Green, Counter-Dick, and Phage-page.>"But-But WHY?!? She beat you! Aren't you angry?!?>"Fool. I'm a pragmatist. And seeing your face right now makes it all worth it."
>>20094726I know THAT, especially one that plays a Leonin deck, but still.
>>20094744The best ends in a multiplayer game are the self-destructive "I'm going down and taking everyone with me" ends.
>A desert warrior traveling landscapes far and wide, an eternal army following at his side. Commander Summon: HAZEZON TAMARI still have to think up some for my Bosh, Radiant, Lovisa, and Jhoira decks. But goddamn this is some fun shit.
>Things fall apart, the center cannot hold!>Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world!>COMMANDER SUMMON: ULAMOG, THE INFINITE GYRE
>>20094766Fuck, there was this great card for either green or black...excellent for multiplayer, I think players lost 1 life for each card in their graveyard on their phase? I can't fucking remember it, but this guy should have that.
>The world is set ablaze in a sea of fire and blood! The Killer of Kings shall begin his reign of crimson! COMMANDER SUMMON: THRAXIMUNDAR!If anyone has anything better, please try.
>COMMANDER SUMMON: NORIN THE WARY>...hey, where'd he go?
>"Yes...yes great one! I feel your hunger, eternal, all-consuming! DEVOUR IT ALL! COMMANDER SUMMON: THROMOK THE INSATIABLE!"
>An artificer without equal, she crafts a future of Apocalypse and Colossi! Commander Summon: JHOIRA OF THE GHITU>Beware the coming of her northern horde, lest the snow be soaked with your foolish blood. Commander Summon: LOVISA COLDEYES>A sky of shimmering angels herald her arrival to cleanse this plane of unholy blights. Commander Summon: RADIANT, ARCHANGEL>Do you know what its like to be hit in the face with a Basalt Monolith? No? Well your about to. Commander Summon: BOSH, IRON GOLEM
>Time to learn a thing or two about state-based actions, triggered abilities and the legend rule! Commander Summon: Sharuum the Hegemon!
>EARTH, FIRE, WIND, WATER, SOULS! WITH THESE POWERS COMBINED, I CREATE LIFE AND DEFY DEATH! COMMANDER SUMMON: ANIMAR, SOUL OF ELEMENTS!
Can someone think of one for Sakashima, the Impostor?I've always thought that MTG would start branding itself with either a comic/manga or cartoon/anime, and I kind of like it. I never quite grasped the concept of how a duel actually plays out, in like, fantasy terms
>>20095448Players are planeswalkers. They have magic fights where they summon creatures and call on magic that they know and remember.
>>20095470What about lands? Do you summon lands? How much of an area do each land take up? Do you "channel" the lands mentally? Do you have little mana orbs that you use to cast spells?
>>20095502I think the common idea is that you recall the lands that are important to you, which empower you to cast spells. There's a couple narratives that describe a planeswalker duel in action.
>>20095448>The face is a mask!>We all hide behind our own!>He hides behind yours! >Commander Summon: Sakashima the Impostor!
>>20095502Land cards are just places you're in tune with. There are no mana orbs. Read the Brothers War if you want a good example.
>>20095502Magic has been around long enough and undergone enough revisions that there's a lot of inconsistencies in how the cards relate to the fluff. Sometimes you're recalling the memories of the land and channeling its essence, sometimes you're physically there, etc.
The only EDH quote I can think of is>Laaaaaa la la la la la la laaaa, Katamari Damacy - I mean, commander summon Myr Battlesphere!
>>20095921Myr Battlesphere isn't Legendary...If only. If only....
For my Myr deck....>She's a magical aberration! She's not meant to exist! Commanding my army of Myr...>Commander Summon Karona, False God!
QuestionThere was a black creature, I think from the Zendikar block, that you either tapped or tapped and sacrificed to remove all counters from target permanentWhat was the name of it?
>>20096473Why thank you good sir.Another question: Would that work on a card with Suspend?
>>20096498No. A suspended card is not a permanent, it is a spell.
>>20096570Actually, scratch that, not sure if it's a spell or just a card removed from the game.It is definitely not targetable by Hexmage, though.
>>20096570 is correct. Hexmage works best with Dark Depths to net you a 20/20 indestructible flyer.
>>20096592Fuckery. There goes my Jhoira's Hexmage Legacy idea.
>The infinite wisdom of the falls, locked within a cage of scrolls. Only she possesses the key. Commander Summon: Azami, Lady of Scrolls!>A storm comes, and against it he gathers to defend the ravaged world, gathering the power of the wild places. Commander Summon: Omnath, Locus of Mana!>All returns to nature in the end, and with nature I shall make my army of the meek. Can you stand against the coming of the many? Commander Summon: Ghave, Guru of Spores.Special bonus!>All returns to nature in the end, and with nature I shall make my booze. Can you stand against the coming of the drunkenness? Commander Summon: Aghave, Guru of Tequila!
Figured I'd thank everyone who contributed to the silly commander anime summon thing.You guys are the best and these have been great.
>>20097110Transparency of anonymity aside, I was the one who made the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure comment in the first place way back in >>20087241. I honestly didn't plan for that.
>>20097288You deserve an Internet for starting this glorious madness.
Requesting status on potential translation.
>>20097928The google page with the translation project is right at the top of the thread. You can watch the progress yourself in real-time.