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Ride the thread to 404. There is no need to clog the front page, especially given that we don't have all that many things to talk about.

>Einzbern homunculus summoning Iskander as Berserker
He was pretty into that ideal of conquest.

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I'll post in here what I did in the other thread if anyone is interested.

There's going to be a Nasuverse RPG hosted over Skype and roll20.coms maptool. Its going to be a traditional grail war with 7 masters and 7 servants for 14 players total. For contact info add kaizerbunz or God Emperor Of Mankind (the one from miami) to skype

Saber [Canute the Great]

"In this great expedition there was present no slave, no man freed from slavery, no low-born man, no man weakened by age; for all were noble, all strong with the might of mature age, all sufficiently fit for any type of fighting, all of such great fleetness, that they scorned the speed of horsemen."

Parameters:
Str: A
End: B
Agi: A+
Mana: C
Luck: B

Alignment: Chaotic Good
Wish: Paradise on Earth

Skills:

Magic Resistance: C

Charisma: A - As a king, Canute was well-loved by his people, boasted an incredible ability to muster armies, and famously was quoted by his skalds to "protect the land as does the Guardian of Byzantium Heaven", his reign on Earth considered the equal of God's reign in heaven.

Military Tactics: B

Noble Phantasms:

A King of Waves - How Hollow Is The Power of Man [Rank A+]
Once Canute sat his throne upon the shore and ordered the waves to stop. The tide continued on, soaking him as he sat despite his orders. A seal emblazoned with a crown hung from a golden cross, it represents the hollowness of Earthly power. Presented with this symbol, all those who claim kingly right have their strength revoked, reducing the rank of all abilities they bear to no more than their rank of Divinity. Sainthood can protect against this effect, but no longer provides its original effect.

Mankind berserker is hilarious. Just imagine him chittering away nonsensically to his sock puppet, the sock puppet chittering back, then mankind giggling and giggling before choking someone to death with his sock.

Fucking terrifying

Berserker - [His Grace, Sir Samuel Vimes, Duke of Ankh, Commander of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch]

Strength: B+
Endurance: B+
Agility: B+
Mana: D
Luck: A

Abilities:

Cardboard Soles [Rank D] - Vimes has walked the streets of Ankh Morpork for countless hours. This transfers to whatever location he is summoned to. As long as he is within the boundaries of a city, he knows exactly where he is and what major events are happening in his vicinity.

Eye of the Mind (True) [Rank B] - Heightened insight that was refined through experience. Capable of calm analysis of battle conditions even when in danger and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities to escape from a predicament. So long there is even a 1% chance of a comeback, this ability greatly improves the chances of winning.

Mad Enhancement [Rank B] - Rank up for all parameters, but takes away most of sanity.

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>>19871707
Noble Phantasms:

Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes, The Guarding Dark [Rank A] - Vimes' unwavering devotion to the Law prevents any mind effecting effects below this skill's rank from affecting him. It even allows him to keep Mad Enhancement in check to some degree.

The Summoning Dark [Rank A] - Vimes was once possessed by a pan-dimensional spirit of vengeance from Dwarf mythology. He managed to defeat it through sheer force of will, and now they share a strange kind of mutual respect for one another. It has left its mark on him, however, in the form of a scar on his forearm shaped like an eyeball with a tail. This grants him several abilities. The first of which being perfect night vision. Even in pitch blackness, Vimes can still see perfectly. He is also seems to be able to communicate with the Summoning Dark, the condition being he needs to surround himself in darkness. With this skill he is able to acquire a witness account from the Summoning Dark, as the Dark represents all darkness.


Not sure how to do 'That Is Not My Cow'. I'm thinking something with raising his parameters even further when he truly DOES lose controle, but I'm not sure how to word that.
Also maybe give him low-level Presence Concealment and turn his Badge or his Truncheon into NPs, but I can't really think of anything right now.

>>19871578
You know, the more I look at Vinland Saga Canute, the more I think he might be Lawful Evil.

His goal is Paradise on Earth, but only as a way to spit in God's face for reserving Heaven for the dead. It's heavily implied he's arranged for the death of both his father AND brother in order to solidify his power, and that his generosity to the Church is merely a method of solidifying his power - and yet he's terrifyingly, powerfully charismatic throughout the series.

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>>19871737
Of course, he's also a tsundere girly-man, which makes him a perfect Nasuverse Saber

Seriously, look at this guy and tell me he couldn't be a Saber.

I really hope the whole "books and games servants" thing doesn't backfire in the next HGW Seattle story. I've seen it a hundred times, when you have other things as Servants, they don't end up being Servants, they end up being... themselves.

They already have superpowers of various kinds. The thing that usually makes Servants fun is we're basically imagining historical heroes as that special westaboo mix between Anime heroes and Superheroes. When you're doing that with people who are already superheroes, you tend to lose the forest for the trees. How do you reinterpret the weapons and events of Master Chief's life as Noble Phantasms without just having him be Master Chief? Same with Captain America, or Guts from Berserk, or the Power Rangers. There's no "magic," for lack of a better term.

Not to mention that a huge number of modern heroes are so inseparably attached to their image. How do you disguise the fact that you're Superman, or Mario, or Hulk Hogan, or Goku?

I dunno, maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, but I'm concerned.

>>19872027
Yeah, I have to admit, it's not something I usually consider. I've been thinking about how I'd run a Fate thing myself. Nice thing about Canute at least is that he's historical as well. Plus, he's probably the least powerful Saber ever written, which would lead to some fun times for his unfortunate Master.

What modern people would you guys consider to be Heroic Spirits?

How would you make them feel larger than life?

>>19872164
Sadly there arent really any that qualify in modern day. That's what made F/SN so special, you got to witness the birth of what was potentially the last hero of man.

In nasuverse this is explained somewhat by "humanity" being a limited resource on earth, the more people you have the less there is to go around, and with less humanity you don't get people who are "larger than life" anymore. Not to mention that humanity has lost a lot of it's heritage (3 of 5 great magic styles are lost, possibly forever).

Gilgamesh's great plan after his corruption was to wipe out 90% of humanity which would force these epic heroes to start popping up again, and likely give humanity their heritage and 'destiny' back. It would also probably calm gaia the fuck down.

>>19872164

The Red Baron is THE quintessential example of the Modern Servant. He's an almost universally recognized figure whose legend has so drastically outrun the reality that he almost seems supernatural despite the fact that he's been dead barely longer as he was alive.

Other common citations are George Washington, Nikolai Tesla, the Zodiac Killer, H.P. Lovecraft, and Harry Houdini.

Basically, it has to be a figure who managed to capture imagination more than he captured history, to the point where the common perception is that they were something more than human.

A lot of people go for that famous Russian Sniper, Simo Hayha, but I just don't know if he meets that requirement. Maybe he does in Russia, I don't know, but not so much the world at large. Horatio Nelson, Mohammad Ali, and Hitler probably suffer the same problem.

Its a hard to define line, but I feel its there.

>>19872164
Chesty Puller. The marines still say "Good night, Chesty Puller, wherever you are!" to end their day. He lived for war, he wanted to stick a bayonet on a flamethrower, when a grenade landed in from of his squad he said it was a dud, and it was.

This quote, which he supposedly said, exemplifies him.

"We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them."

>>19872352
While those are "decent" examples the problem is that it's very unlikely they'll last the test of time to become something truly 'legendary'. And in some cases you've just got entertainers, not people like Moses or Joshua who fought tooth and nail for what was important to them.

And as nasu said if you were using guns, it's the gun doing the work, not you, the red baron *may* have a case as a rider though.

>>19872352

Simo Haya is Finnish. he KILLED Russians during the Winter War.

>>19872443
And with the red baron it may once again be more of a case of the equipment rather than the person. A truly heroic "rider" is heroic beyond just his equipment, like medusa / perseus, Lu bu, iskander, keiji maeda etc. They had a mount tied to their myth, but it wasn't *wholly* their myth.

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>>19871853
Now I can't decide whether to represent him as girly tsundere Canute or Manly Canute.

>>19872531

My bad, I'm a dumb American who cannot into Europe.

>>19872537

I think there's a pretty fundamental flaw in that logic, and frankly in the "no gun heroes," logic that Nasu usually applies.

"Modern," heroes capture the imagination because we see them with the lens of the past. Yes, we know logically that any fucking schmuck can pick up a gun and kill someone with it. But the mythology that has built up around the Sniper as an archetype is no different from the mythology of the Byronic hero. He has certain fundamental characteristics, and we see his feats as superhuman. Yes, technology helps him, but a Sniper Rifle is such a foreign thing to most people that it might as well be a Magic Sword in their mind's eye. And if there's one thing that literally any movie or show on the subject will tell you, its that people imagine that a Sniper is more than his rifle. There's something special about his nerves, his eyes, his attitude, that makes him more than just a schmuck with good aim. When I saw "Shooter," in theaters, the room ERUPTED with cheers when the guy killed three guys from a moving rowboat at over 300 yards with a .22 calibur rifle. It was something he could do because he was a Sniper. No normal gunman could.

The Red Baron is the exact same thing. People don't see great fighter pilots or great tank men as being great because of their machine. The Red Baron is a modern Knight to most people, the Ace of Aces. The Plane did not make the man, the man made the plane!

Thats why modern heroes can and should be possible. The key is not going overboard. Hitler is never going to be servant tier, his myth will never outgrow his fact. But there a plenty of people who could.

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>>19872681
>Fighter pilots are the modern Knight

HISTORIIIIAAAAAA,. RAZGRIZ

>>19872681
This should be saved for posterity and plastered at the beginning of every Grail War thread. Well put.

As for people like you said, who's legends outgrow them, the only one I can think of is Sir Edmund Hillary. The first man to summit Everest, a amazing mountain climber, and a damn classy man at that.

I have no idea what class he'd be, though.

>>19872966
Aside from Rider, which doesn't really work, the only non-WArrior class is Caster, and that doesn't fit either. Too bad, since "Because it was there" would be a great name for a Noble Phantasm. Maybe a Damage wipe move? Allows the user to perservere over any injury?

>>19873105

I think The Adventurer or The Explorer would be a neat custom class myself.

>>19873243
If the Adventure/Explorer class gets thrown in Richard Francis Burton is a perfect fit.

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>>19873105
Well, if you were willing to stretch the definition of "Ride" to truly implausible levels...

>>19873362
"Knocked that bastard off" indeed. I like the way you think, sir.

>>19873380
If we stretch it like that, then I think it's only fair Hillary also has Tenzing as a Noble Phantasm. To the day he died Hillary insisted that he and Tenzing stepped onto the summit together. The men are inexorably linked.

>>19872681
That's pretty much my thoughts on the matter, but you articulated them better than I could. Except:

>The key is not going overboard. Hitler is never going to be servant tier, his myth will never outgrow his fact. But there a plenty of people who could.
I dunno. With all the Nazi conspiracies in pop culture and the whole "Jeptack Hitler/Ghostapo" thing, I can definitely see Hitler having a myth. The myth of the genocidal dictator who holds his people in thrall via fear and blood.

>>19873602
>The myth of the genocidal dictator who holds his people in thrall via Nazi super-science.

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>>19870590
Is it wrong that I shed 1 tear and had to hold back more at the end of fate/zero episode 23?

>>19873843
All true men should be proud to call themselves vassals of Iskandar, King of Conquerors.

You did your king proud.

Still need suggestions for Archer, Berserker, Assassin, and Rider.

Preference will be given to non-Arthurian, Celtic, or Greek heroes, or lesser known mythologies within those pantheons, because they've been represented plenty.

I would prefer some reading material on any suggestions so I can research their legend in order to help come up with skills and Noble Phantasms.

>>19873925
Rasputin for Berserker and Genghis Khan for Rider/Archer?

>>19873925
>Berserker
Sun Wukong the monkey King and Great Sage Equal to Heaven. Read Journey to the west.

>>19873999
Not sure if you could use him [no Divine Beings], but since Tamano-no-Mae counts, maaaaybe.

Xuanzang as the Most Useless Caster Ever could be hilarious though.

>>19873975
Seen these two suggested a lot. Genghis would make a great Rider, to be sure, and I wouldn't play him as Chaotic Evil - if you look, he was a strong statesman as well as a conqueror and actually fairly egalitarian, he was just also UTTERLY RUTHLESS. Could be a fun personality to mix up with Harun [Lawful Good Righteous King], Canute [Shady but with ultimately humanistic motives - Chaotic Good the same way Gilgamesh is Chaotic Good], and Finn [Chaotic Good Selfish Adventurer type who never really grew into his authority]

Actually, that's something that would be good to consider... personality types, because loud arguments about ideals in the middle of explosive battles are fundamental to the Nasu experience.

>>19874025
Xuanzang get's summoned, and he's the most worthless caster ever. Then, halfway through the war, Wukong drops in looking for him thinking he's been kidnapped again.

>>19873925
Archer - Billy the Kid
Rider - Edward "Blackbeard" Teach.

>>19873925
with a name like that i was thinking that you would be all over dem ROTK heroes

>>19874136
Yeah, but I don't wanna TOTALLY overdo it. I suppose a Guan Yu Rider or Xiahou Yuan Archer could be pretty boss. My namesake only really works as Caster and I've got Harun for that. Lu Bu's already been Berserker, and I'd like to avoid repeat Servants [since it's my understanding that Servants sacrificed to the Grail can't be re-summoned]

Plenty of Lancers with all the spears and halberds around, and quite a few renowned for their horsemanship which would let me make them Riders. No real assassins in the lot, and only a couple make sense as Berserkers.

>>19873925
Fenrir as Berserker.

>>19874183
No Divine Beings.

And I've already got Canute representing the Norse. He was a Viking king after all.

I've considered Hannibal Barca as Rider, but can't really come up with any Noble Phantasms for him... though as he stands, Canute is a pretty bare-bones Saber as well.

>>19874183
Fenrir is a divine beast.

Gods and other divinities aren't allowed. Trying summon Fenrir would go about as wrong as trying to summon Lucifer did (i.e. it produced a weak Servant and fucked up the Grail).

>>19874199
Fenrir is less divine than Gilgamesh if I remember correctly. Child of Loki and a giantess I believe?

>>19874207
Yeah, but he's a divine beast. Gilgamesh is a demigod, he's still part human, he gets away with it. Fenrir is in no way human, being entirely Divine in nature. Jesus and Siddhartha WERE human, but have been Deified to the extent that they are now considered Divine Beings.

I for one, would stay away from beings that can kill gods.

>>19874214
Rin mentions that automatons and animals can be summoned as heroic spirits. Can you think of any non-divine beasts that could qualify?

I might well run Phaeton as Rider, if only because he has the most overpowered mount ever [It's the fucking Sun, bitches!] but probably the lowest Riding skill of all time [since his legend is all about him being such a shitty pilot he accidentally set Africa on fire and had to be vaporized by Zeus to save the planet]

Just some unfortunate probably-mortal shmuck who got screwed because Apollo was worried he MIGHT have banged the kid's mom.

Can you say Luck E?

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>>19874224
Red Hare

I've been replaying alot of DW

>>19874224
Well, Frankenstein's Monster proves automatons. As for beasts...

Nemean Lion. Not divine, just inhumanly tough.

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Oda Nobunaga - The Demon King of the Sixth Heaven
"If the cuckoo does not sing, kill it."

Archer
Str: C
End: B
Agi: A-
Mana: C
Luck: C

Noble Phantasm

>Nagashimo - The Devil's Conquest
It was during this famed battle that Nobunaga revolutionized the face of Warfare in Japan Forever, and proved himself as the Demon King. In this battle the once invincible Takeda Calvalry fell upon the the guns of the devil ruler on a onslaught never seen before in Japan
When Nobunaga activates his Noble Phantasm, thousand rifles appear behind the leader. The Guns are deformed, dark, on fire, as if they're possesed by demons. Nobunaga will then order constant volley fire, constantly bombarding the opponent with the cursed bullets.
>Anti-Army
>Rank A

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Archer [Nobunaga Oda]

Parameters:
Str: C
End: B
Agi: A
Mana: D
Luck: A

Alignment: Lawful Evil
Wish: The unification of the world

Skills:
Independent Action: B

Charisma: B

Military Tactics: B

Pioneer of the Stars: EX

Noble Phantasms -
Dairokuten Maou - The Demon King of the Sixth Heaven [Rank A]: Nobunaga Oda's fearful reputation was well earned. He took on many sins to achieve his goal of unifying the land. With this Noble Phantasm, those sins are personified, solidifying his legend as the Demon King. Setting himself opposite to Heaven, this Noble Phantasm negates all Divinity.

Tanegashima - The Whirlwind From the West [Rank B]
The musket which revolutionized Japanese warfare at the hands of Nobunaga Oda. In Nobunaga's hands, it will never run out of ammunition. Its bullets are powerful enough to prove lethal even to a Servant. However, while he may fire an infinite number of times, each time is considered an independent manifestation of this Noble Phantasm, giving it a high prana cost.

The Blade Upon the Bowed Neck [Rank B] -
A tactic used with great success by Nobunaga Oda, he organized his musket-men in succeeding ranks which would alternately bow and reload while the other rank fired. Nobunaga has a supernatural understanding of the rhythm of his opponent's attacks and can execute actions instantly against an unready opponent, allowing him to fire Tanegashima at the most opportune moment.

>>19874486
>>19874530
Nobunagamind?

I prefer Hideyoshi of the Three Unifiers, but I had no idea what class he would be, whereas Nobunaga's characteristic formations and use of muskets made him an obvious choice.

I think George Washington would be cool to see in the HGW as Assassin, focusing on subterfuge and spying.

What does /tg/ think?

>>19874543
I still think Honnoji should be there as something
Even if it's a last "FUCK YOU" to the enemy

>>19874543
Saber, maybe? Guy was supposedly a pretty good swordsman.

>>19874569
Honnoji would be more a Mitsuhide thing

Though Ranmaru would make for a hilarious... something, if only for COMPLETELY INVERTING the Nasu Gender Bender.

>Summon Ranmaru
>Seemingly receive woman
>Almost be surprised
>IT'S A TRAP

>>19874559
Seems interesting. I myself was thinking of writing one on Steve Irwin as Rider, being an aussie myself. I know he's too early to be a Heroic Spirit, and I am new to F/SN. Still, seems fun.

>>19874585
Steve Irwin seems way too nice to be involved in a magus war, and I say that as a guy who got into Biology partially from watching all his stuff growing up.

Unless this is Civilization Steve Irwin similar to Civilization Ghandi where he's a warmongering asshole who backstabs you at every turn.

>>19874224
Wait, Animals can be Summoned?

The Tsavo Maneaters would make for an interesting Assassin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsavo_maneaters

And what would make a better Berserker than the most accomplished serial killer of our time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustave_%28crocodile%29

>>19874655
I don't think being nice is a factor in the HGW. I think Steve Irwin would be a nice addition, assuming he gets rid of his habit of commentating everything he does. I initially thought Assassin for Steve Irwin, because of the times he hides himself in the wilds waiting for his target, and I also thought Lancer, just out of irony. Rider seems fitting for a man who wrestled crocodiles into submission.

Rider [Phaethon]

"Here Phaëthon lies who in the sun-gods chariot fared. And though greatly he failed, more greatly he dared."

Parameters:
Strength: D
Endurance: C
Agility: B
Mana: C
Luck: E

Alignment: Neutral
Wish: To repair the damage he caused as a mortal

Skills:
Riding: A

Dinvinity: C - Though a son of Helios, it brought Phaethos nothing but misfortune, and he often doubted his own divinity.

Prana Burst [Flames] [Rank EX] - Phaethon's own flesh still burns with the light of the sun, and so any weapon he draws against another will burn with that same heat. Immensely powerful, weapons which are not Noble Phantasms will be destroyed within minutes in his hands.

Noble Phantasms:

Sol Invictus - Chariot of the Sun [Rank A+]: The Noble Phantasm that brought about Phaethon's doom. Burning with the light and heat of the very sun itself, Phaethon draws the sun from the sky. The flames it creates are so hot they reduce things to ash in moments and even boil the seas, and would kill the rider unless he had some protection from fire - for this reason, Phaethon primarily rides the Sol Invictus far from the Earth, where it can do the least harm. However, the beasts which pull it are Divine Beasts of the greatest caliber, four great steeds who resist the hand of any but Helios himself, and so Phaethon risks losing control of this Noble Phantasm whenever he uses it. His last such failure scorched Africa.

Anointment of Hyperion - Grasp the Sun In Your Hands [Rank A]: A mystic oil granted by his father, Helios, to allow him to handle the chariot. This sacred oil protects mortals from all flame and heat, allowing one to grasp the sun itself. No form of flame can harm Phaethon while this Noble Phantasm is active, not even flames produced by Noble Phantasms of greater rank.

Takeda Shigen
Rider
Str: C
End: B
Agi: A
Mana: B
Luck: B

Riding: A

Noble Phantasm

>Fuurinkazan - The Red Cavalry Charge
"Move as swift as a wind, stay as silent as forest, attack as fierce as fire, undefeatable defense like a mountain."
It's with these words that Shingen summons his biggest followers, the Takeda Cavalry. Shingen made a name of himself by constantly using his famed cavalry in devastating ways, like in the battle of Mikatagahara where the mounted force completely overrun the enemies gunners.
After completing the incantation from seemingly nowhere the cavalry appears, just waiting for the final command of their leader. Inumerous soldiers & their horses will then charge into the direction of the enemy.
The Charge is extremely hard to be stopped and each one of those soldiers is an extremly competent rider each one of them has the ability Riding on the B level, and will surpass the most varied obstacles and perform insane stunts being able to ride into vertical walls, across the water and jump ridiculously heights to reach the enemy
>Anti-Army
>Rank A

>>19874729
So can the master ride with Phaeron?

>>19874841
Phaethon is the very spirit of horrific irresponsibility and an inability to consider one's desire's rationally.

So probably not. Maybe if he could use Anointment of Hyperion on others.

He's not a very good Rider, but that's the point. He's some asshole who crashed the FUCKING SUN into Africa so hard it charred the natives black and turned the whole Sahara into a desert.

>>19874853
Dude is so incompetent

>>19874931
I would feel so bad for the one who unwittingly summons him. I could just imagine a magus, concentrating with his summoning ritual, only to have his girlfriend (Who only wants him to be happy) inevitably causes the summon of Phaeron.

Magus: ... Well, I can still randomly summon and hope for a good Servant...

Girlfriend: Are you sure it's such a good idea?

Magus: Well, considering you threw it out cleaning my room, I can't help it!

Girlfriend: ... I said I was sorry, didn't I?

Magus: Ugh... Nevermind, just stay there while I summon the Servant. *Begins the ritual*

Girlfriend: *Growing impatient* Doing all this in the dark is bad for you! I'll open up a curtain!

Magus: No don-

*Sunlight hits the circle, Phaeron shows up*

Magus:..... Ffffffffuck.

>>19874963
And then the whole house burns it down

So do we have any idea what the fuck the servants do inbetween grail wars?

>>19872328
But see, for a lot of people who want to play a HGW themed game, that isn't fun. And when you look at Nasuverse, it's even more bullshit since it's just rigged when you don't have Noble Phantasms or as much human potential or whatever it's called.

If we go by Nasu, every white guy is apparently racist against Japan to some degree. So in that case, I think Rule 0 takes precedence over some fantasy gun control.

>>19874157
My understanding is that Servants summoned by the Grail are just 'copies' of the original soul. The original never leaves the Throne, but the copy is then put into the fitting 'Servant template', and summoned for the War. It should be possible to get a Servant twice, even disregarding the loophole Arturia used (Counter Force shenanigans). The new copy simply wouldn't have the memories of the previous copy (again, Arturia is sidestepping the issue by not using a copy - Alaya is just moving her soul from her deathbed to the Wars as opportunities open).

>>19875119
As far as I know, the Grail 'preserves' the souls of those who ascend to Heroic Spirits, so they aren't really doing anything up/out (dammit, how are you supposed to know which direction to use when referring to somewhere like the Throne?) there.

Anyways, working on coming up with Noble Phantasms for Enkidu. The unofficial-yet-recognized Fate/Strange Fake gave us an appearance, a class, and some skills, but no Noble Phantasms.

>>19871721
>>19871707
I love you in a platonic fashion.

>>19875156
>one guy is racist against japan
>EVERYONE MUST BE RACIST AGAINST JAPAN EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE SEVERAL WHO ARE NOT
jesus fuck just kill yourself and spare us the pain of being on the same planet as you

>>19872328
>Gilgamesh's great plan after his corruption
>after his corruption
>gilgamesh
>corruption
Ahahaha no, Gilgameshi s literally so swag he has immunity against the grail's corruption.

>>19871721
THAT IS NOT MY COW
Passive
Rank EX

Vimes's greatest dedication is his family, above all things. When summoned, his only wish is to return home. When something stands in his way and truly cannot be defeated through other means, Vimes's Mad Enhancement skill gains two ranks as he attempts to tell his son his bedtime story across dimensions through sheer volume. This is also a D-rank sonic attack, and a C-rank intimidation effect.

>>19874214
>> Gilgamesh is a demigod, he's still part human, he gets away with it.

Go with Enkidu. Beast man. Yes, he was made by a god, but what WASN'T made by a god?

>>19875424
Or, at least, that's what he'd like you to think.

Full-on corruption might be pushing it, but he was at least affected by it.

(Not to mention later being eaten by something very similar. Om nom nom.)

>>19874086
>
>Archer - Billy the Kid

I've statted this in the past, but in the context of how Nasu does heroes with guns.

>>19875409
>Clock Tower is racist against asians
>Waver is racist against Japanese
>F/P had a psychotic racist who didn't like Japanese

IDK, maybe he's overplaying it, but it doesn't seem like Nasu really trusts foreigners or something.

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>>19875471
Enkidu was also a human. You're basically saying Mowgli was a beastman.

>>19875473
No man, no.

>>19875473
Gilgamesh may be wildly egotistical, but he's no liar. When he says it will take three times all the evils in the world to corrupt him, he's referring to his deific heritage which protects him from such effects.

>>19875486
I don't remember clock tower being racist can you point it out for me?

Besides that we have the families: Einzberns, El Melloi, Edelfelt, Eltnam Altas, Fraga McRemitz and Ortensia families who are not racist.

>>19875402
Magos, weren't you in a game at some point?

>>19875486
Nasu didn't write Waver.

>>19875510
Didn't the Einzbern see the Japanese as headhunters or something though?

"Discrimination against Asians is common, which might be a factor on why so little of them are members of the Association." - TM Wiki

CBF to go through the entire VN for direct sources.

>>19875537
And that is why he is so awesome.

>>19875540
>TM Wiki
out

>>19875471
On that note...


Servant: Lancer
Spirit: Enkidu
Alignment: Neutral

Strength: A+
Endurance: B
Agility: A
Mana: D
Luck: E

Noble Phantasm: A


Class Skill:
Magic Resistance: C (Can cancel spells with a chant below two verses. Cannot defend against High Thaumaturgy or Greater Rituals.)

Personal Skills:
Animal Dialogue: B- (Enkidu can understand animals of all sorts, and communicate with them in turn. While this does not grant improved reasoning skills to the animals in question, Enkidu understands how to convey deeper meanings even to the simple minds of wild beasts. This skill suffers a penalty due to many wild animals not being comfortable communicating with Enkidu since being civilized by Shamhat.)

Presence Detection: A++ (Enkidu can detect the presence of almost anything within a range greater than ten kilometres. This allows him to recognize the location of things such as the flow of water, the movements of distant animals, and the presence of Servants over a range that is unequalled among other Servants.)

Shapeshifting: D- (Enkidu's current form is one he took in partial imitation of Shamhat after being civilized by her. As such, Enkidu can still alter his form to imitate others. This skill suffers a penalty for being disliked by Enkidu, and due to the resulting form tending to lack the flaws of the target form's appearance, giving Enkidu an appearance akin to a living puppet.
*Continued*

So any Casters with time-related abilities?

I need it man

Kiritsugu is not enough

>>19875540
TM wiki is full of fanwank - only trust that which you personally know has references in canon.

>>19875554
Noble Phantasms:
Fist - That Which Falls Like a Meteorite (Rank A Anti-Unit): Enkidu's strength is already beyond comprehension, and this Noble Phantasm is the embodiment of this. When Enkidu throws a punch with sufficient force, his fist moves with such speed and force that it lights ablaze, like a meteor falling to earth. With this, his fist 'burns' just as much as it 'strikes'. Furthermore, the sudden displacement of air creates a shockwave of heated, compressed air that strikes those surrounding his fist, even if Enkidu should miss his target with the punch itself. With a sufficiently forceful punch, the shockwave may move swiftly enough to produce sonic booms.

Shamhat - Bringer of Civility (Rank B+ Support): Enkidu was civilized by the harlot Shamhat, and the lessons he received have shaped him, both figuratively and literally. By taking cues from his memory of Shamhat, Enkidu can tame others, overcoming mental interference that others are suffering from. Enkidu takes the subject in his arms and begins to replicate Shamhat's civilizing lessons, gradually casting aside any mental interference conditions they may suffer from. This helps one overcome the effects of hypnotism, mind-affecting curses, and even certain Servant skills such as Mental Interference, Headache Sufferer, or Mad Enhancement. The more intimate the contact Enkidu has with his subject, the more effective Shamhat's effect becomes, to the point where Shamhat's Rank increases by one if Enkidu makes use of it during sexual intercourse. Enkidu is somewhat uncomfortable with using Shamhat, as he recalls that upon being civilized, many animals distanced themselves from him.
*Continued*

>>19875540
>TM Wiki
Do you hate having credibility or something?

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>>19875577
No, its just that that wiki SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS
DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK

>>19875569
Gugalanna - Stampeding Bull of Heaven (Rank B Anti-Army): When the goddess of love and war, Inanna, was spurned by Gilgamesh, she sought punishment by unleashing the god Gugalanna upon him. Enkidu and Gilgamesh, however, succeeded in stopping and killing the divine bull, and Enkidu took the god's flanks as trophies of the victory. Enkidu can merge his legs with those of Gugalanna's remains, making his every step strike with the force to shake the earth. With Gugalanna active, Enkidu's already impressive Agility receives a bonus, and he can deliver forceful blows simply by running over his foe, grinding them into the earth with the force of earthquakes. As each step rocks and rends the earth, all around must struggle to maintain footing as Enkidu tears the battlefield apart more and more with every step he takes. So long as Enkidu uses Gugalanna, he is treated as if he had the Divinity skill at Rank B-.


Okay, hope this looks good.

>>19875562
I hear everywhere that the Type-Moon Wiki is full of fanwanking. Is there a better resource for setting information anywhere? As in, a resource that doesn't involve needing to read Japanese to understand.

>>19875591
Not really - you just have to back up what it says with actual sources. It's fine for general outlines, but specifics are better found in canon if possible.

>>19875591
The VNs and the LNs.

>>19875591
Pretty much everything TM is translated and you have no excuse for not reading them before engaging in these threads.

>>19875613
Well, except HA, but... It's coming. Eventually.

>>19875590
I vaguely remember Tohsaka bringing it up. It's probably why a british kid even gave a shit enough about Japan to dislike it.

>>19875591
There's the old Fuyuki wiki.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070511032215/http://fuyuki.pbwiki.com/

>>19875624
>It's probably why a british kid even gave a shit enough about Japan to dislike it.
Yet you can't step into a thread on /tg/ without 20 people screaming "I hate Japan".

>>Q: Where did the Einzbern nobles get their narrow view of Japanese culture from? (That Japanese people are a tribe of headhunters, and other terrible and weird prejudices...). Did it come from their resentment of Kiritsugu?
A: All foreigners are like that. (Secret Technique: Kinoko Reverse Discrimination)

Atleast this part is true.

>>19875633
I don't see this other than the occasional troll or person who doesn't know shit calling Tau weeaboo.

>>19875648
You could take it to mean that all foreigners are like that to foreign countries, I guess.

Damnit, Nasu, we need to get a fa/tg/uy to sit down with you and just WRITE EVERYTHING DOWN.

One issue I see with the more 'recent' heroic spirits, not even 20th century ones--is that photos, portraits or realistic recreations of famous historical figures exist.

So how the hell do you keep people from instantly recognizing Abraham Lincoln?

>>19875669
If he could stand being next to one for 3 seconds

>>19875676
By traditional rules heroes have to be at least 200 years old. 5th Archer being a counter guardian creates an exception.

>>19875676
Shaving him. giving him a baseball cap.

lincoln is now completely unrecognizeable.

Also: most people don't know what the Red Baron looked like, or Billy the Kid, or Simo hayha. Tesla might be harder

>>19873925
Archer: Huo Yi, Chinese.
Originally a god, he was turned mortal later on, performing various heroics in attempts to reclaim immortality - which he did not, however, achieve. He died a despairing mortal, eventually bludgeoned to death by a student.

Noble Phantasms:
Bow of the God of Archery: The one remaining keepsake from his time as a diety, arrows launched from it can slay all things, ignoring presence or lack of divinity and various protections of the target.

Ninth Sun Bird: Firing an arrow at the sun, Huo Yi terrifies it into hiding. He has no chance of striking and killing it as a mortal, even a heroic spirit, but the sun is quite terrified - after all, arrows from the same bow slew its eight siblings - and withholds its light. The field of battle is plunged into darkness.

>>19875721
Due to all the lightning arcing off of him, right?

>>19875736
And the whole freaking out around round objects.


What would happen if edison and tesla were summoned into the same grail war?

>>19875721
It's an issue with more famous historical figures.

Perhaps their figure is changed t look more 'ideal' or larger than life.

Lincoln? He wore the ridiculous hat to emphasize his tallness. So maybe he's even taller, but his face is less ugly so he doesn't have a beard.

>>19875709
Source? I only ever read heroes who died after 1899 couldn't become one.

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>>19875753
I'm sorry but I do not have a source at hand and it would be a bother to find.

I'll just hope that someone else backs me up/finds the source instead.

>>19875732
We've got a Houyi already. You can find him on this thread: >>http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/19708702/


Anyways, I'm working on an Orpheus character sheet. I'm trying to cover what he would have under each of the classes I see him qualifying under (Berserker, Caster, and Rider).

>>19875510
>Edelfelt
>Not racist

Unless you are a Tohsaka, then they will point the FUCK out of how you are a thieving primitive from a backwards island

Since we're statting servants here, I may as well finish the Captain Ahab stats I made.

>Lancer
>Name: Captain Ahab, the Hunter of the White Whale
>Alignment: Chaotic Neutral (Chaotic Good?)
>Strength: C
>Endurance: C
>Agility: B
>Mana: C
>Luck: E

>Noble Phantasms:
>From Hell's Heart I Stab At Thee: The Final Strike of the Monomaniac Hunter (B+)
>Ahab throws a harpoon at his enemy, which binds him and his foe with a chain of Prana that lasts for five rounds. The enemy cannot move to any spot beyond the length of chain, but can be pulled toward Ahab. If Ahab is ever slain, he will automatically deploy this Phantasm at the one who killed him, immobilizing the target and tying him to the spot where Ahab's body fell.

>Abilities:
>Scourge of the Leviathan: Attacks against monstrous creatures or servants with monstrous attributes (Dragon, Whale, etc) are increased by one rank above base value.
> Mental Pollution: C. Ahab is so consumed by the need for vengeance that nothing can shake him from his path.
>With my Last Breath: After suffering a crippling or mortal wound, Ahab can act without impairment for one round and his attack strength is increased by one rank over its base to a maximum of A+.

Okay, here's my Orpheus sheet.


Servant: Caster/Rider/Berserker
Spirit: Orpheus
Alignment: Chaotic Neutral (Chaotic Mad as Berserker)

Strength: D
Endurance: D
Agility: C (B as Rider)
Mana: C (A as Caster)
Luck: C

Noble Phantasm: A

Class Skills:
*Berserker*
Mad Enhancement: D (Provides a Rank-up bonus to all parameters except Luck and Mana, but strips most of one's rationality. At this rank, Orpheus can communicate, but )

*Caster*
Item Construction: D (Can create some simple magical items. As he lacked this skill in life, his aptitude in this skill is unbecoming of a Caster)
Territory Creation: B (Sufficient to create a Workshop.)

*Rider*
Magic Resistance: D (Sufficient to cancel Single-Action spells.)
Riding: A+ (Can ride any creature or vehicle, excluding those of the Dragon Kind.)

Personal Skills:
Divinity: B (Orpheus is the son of Apollo, but due to his hatred for most of the gods, his Divinity rank is lowered.)

Ear for Art: B (If Orpheus hears a song or poem, he may make a Luck check. On a success, he can identify the song and the history of it. Under proper circumstances, this may allow him to acquire knowledge of other Servants, if the song or poem has a strong association with them. This skill is unusable under Mad Enhancement.)

High-Speed Divine Words: B (Orpheus can perform any magecraft short of High-Thaumaturgy at the speed of a Single-Action spell.)

Protection from Arrows: B (So long as Orpheus is singing or playing music, projectiles will fail to strike Orpheus. This functions as a combination of the sound waves disrupting the flight of the projectiles, and a subtle hypnosis that causes those who listen to aim slightly off from their mark with ranged weaponry/spells.)
*Continued*

>>19876006
Seems like quite a few white maguses are racist against magi in the weirdest fucking way. I guess it has to do with it being 'backwater' for magi.

>>19876158
Noble Phantasms:
Countersong - Opposing the Siren Song (Rank B Support): Orpheus knows music more than anything else, and knows how other sounds can disrupt it. By playing a song, or by singing, Orpheus can counteract any magecraft or Noble Phantasms which conveys its effects through sound. This functions against anything of lower or equal rank. Against an effect of a higher rank, Countersong weakens the opposing power's effectiveness.

Lyre of Apollo - Strings of Sunlight Rays (Rank B+ Anti-Army): While Orpheus' musical skill is already supernatural, this lyre further enhances the music performed. By playing upon the Lyre, Orpheus can conjure the spirits of his fellow Argonauts to assist him, both in and out of battle. Summoned Argonauts draw from Orpheus' prana supply so long as he plays, and are dismissed as soon as he stops. Lyre of Apollo receives a bonus if used in this manner in conjuction with The Argo. This Noble Phantasm is unusable under Mad Enhancement.
*Continued*

>>19876173

The Argo - Blessed Swift Star (Rank B Support): Only usable as a Rider. As an Argonaut, Orpheus has a close tie to their ship, and can conjure it forth as necessary. While present, the Argo serves as a Workshop for both Orpheus and his Master. If used in conjunction with Lyre of Apollo, enough conjured spirits can be called to man the ship, making it a mobile base. While on the Argo, the prana cost of Orpheus and of any conjured Argonauts is heavily reduced.
*Continued* - I have to break up the Noble Phantasms a lot, I find...

>>19876166
pretty much

The Edelfelt-Tohsaka thing is. . . much much more personal though

The 3rd Grail War was a hell of a ride

>>19876179

The Maenads - Orgy of the Raving Ones (Rank A Anti-Army): Only usable as a Berserker. When Orpheus enters battle, the Maenads will be summoned around him. In an ecstatic frenzy, they will run about wildly and grab onto anyone they find, whether to compel them to join them in sexual union, or to tear their flesh apart and consume it. The Maenads have a base Strength of B, and are even more insane than Orpheus himself, bearing a Mad Enhancement of Rank B (improving all stats by one rank, at the cost of almost all sanity). Due to their total lack of control, the Maenads will potentially strike at anyone, even Orpheus or his Master, making their presence a double-edged sword. Orpheus has no control over the Maenads, but they will vanish once he and they no longer sense any threatening presences. No fire will burn the Maenads, no mundane steel can break their flesh, and wild beasts will either act tame in their presence, or be torn apart if perceived as threatening.


Does this one look good?

>>19876158
Finally, someone to fill my fictitious class of Bard

>>19876158
Sorry, this should say...
*Berserker*
>> Mad Enhancement: D (Provides a Rank-up bonus to all parameters except Luck and Mana, but strips most of one's rationality. At this rank, Orpheus can communicate, but it becomes exceedingly difficult to reach an understanding with him.)

>>19876184
what happened during the third war?

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>>19876295
Eizenburn head tried to summon Satan, grail got corrupted,

>>19876435
Was there ever a war where the grail wasn't corrupted?

>>19876465
First and Second, it was the attempted summoning of Satan, (which resulted in the summoning of Avenger) which corrupted the Grail when he was absorbed after his defeat.

>>19876465
The first two.

But then, it was essentially in Beta, so to speak. Bugs and failed builds everywhere.

>>19876465
First two.

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>>19876435
Oh Loli Jack

Seeing Loli Jack partner up with a prostitute makes me lol heartily

"There shall step forth a star out of Jacob, and a scepter shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite through the corners of Moab." - Numbers 24:17

Rider/Neutral Good/Shimon Bar Kokhba

Born Shimon ben Kosiba, this Jewish revolutionary of the Third Jewish Revolt was given the name Bar Kokhba (aramaic for "Son of a Star") by the Jewish sage, Rabbi Akiva. For three years he ruled a rebel state of Israel as Nasi ("Ruler") in defiance of the Roman Empire. Believed by many to be the long awaited Messiah, this was "The Era of the Redemption of Israel", and many hoped for the reconstruction of the Temple of Jerusalem and the fulfillment of the centuries of prophecy that went along with it. The rebellion was ultimately crushed and Bar Kokhba declared a false Messiah, but his tale has lived on. Perhaps the most enduring legend about him is that when the Romans threw him to the lions in the gladiatorial arena as his execution, he escaped by riding on the back of one of the lions, which by chance he had befriended in the mountains of Judea years before.

I figure besides the lion he might have the first of the coins of minted during his kingdom's brief reign as another Noble Phantasm, also allowing him to be irratingly mistaken for Judas. As a leader of men he would also probably have the Charisma personal ability, given that people were convinced he was the Messiah at the time. He also seems to have been a hell of a strategist.

So, someone mentioned the Nemean Lion as a possible beastly Servant. That’s interesting.

How would that work? Which of the classes does he fit into? What would his Noble Phantasms be (obviously, his coat of invulnerable golden fur would be one of them)?

>>19876518
Assuming you can modify it to transform into a Humanoid like it was done with Medusa.
Berserker?

>>19876518
Beast Class, which is not a true servant class. I considered adding it myself, but it was too much trouble.

>>19876534
Well, you'd probably want to run him as the offspring of Typhon and a lion that he's generally referred to as, so him having a human form is viable. The Titans, after all, were human-shaped.

That would technically make him a demigod rather than a beast, though.

>people asking for not-shitty resources
>no one mentions fuyuki winter cleaning
What's wrong with you people?

http://tatari.byethost33.com/fuyuki/index.htm

>>19876295
Angry Manjuice and TWO Sabers got summoned. It was a clusterfuck.

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On the subject of Fate/Stay Night, I just noticed something in the True End of Heaven's Feel.

It's during the part when Rin's remembering what happened immediately after the final battle.

>When you see it...

>>19876789
They had sex?

>>19876789
.....that's kind of scary.

>>19876789
Sadly. Her riding skill would be less effective.

>>19876789
While I'm sure you're going to ignore me, seeing as Sakura is a competent magus, no sex would be necessary to do this. That's only required for Shirou because he's a shitty mage.

>>19876860
Apparently Rider rode her face REALLY hard, because breaking your jaw through forced oral sex has got to be pretty difficult to inflict.

>>19876860
It's Rin talking.

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Date Masamune, the Azure Dragon
Archer
Strength: B
Endurance: B
Agility: A
Mana: C
Luck: B

Noble Phantasms

>Dokuganryu - The Deadeye that Sees All
Masamune while as a child plucked one of his eyes out once he heard how an enemy could do it against him on the battlefield. He refused to let his enemy take advantage of him on the battlefield and catch him unprepared, so he might just as well get rid totally of it.
After that experience Masamune managed to get a near supernatural sight with his empyeye. Under his eyepatch, Masamune has a 360º view, it can view over kilometers long, and can register even the fastest of thing.
Thanks to this Eye, Masamune can dodge & hit most of the attacks
>Rank A

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To address my own concerns about modern Fictional Servants, I thought I would try to stat one myself, making sure to keep the focus on the LEGEND rather than the actual POWERS.

John 117 - Archer
Str - B; Agi - C; End - A; Mana - E; Luck - A+

Skills: Riding - B; Independant Action - A;

Expert of Many Specializations - A-; Gifted with the most brutal training and extensive mental conditioning human science has to offer, John's mind was filled with science, mathematics, engineering, military history and tactics, and more. While his training was limited to that which his duties required, it is augmented by the knowledge of a second mind, Cortanna. Any skill which John in trained in may be used at Rank B, any skill which Cortanna may instruct him in at Rank D

Bravery - B; Through the combination of his training, his personality and the burden of hope placed upon him by humanity at large, John's will is unbreakable. Regardless of the situation, mental interference due to emotional or physical influences is impossible. However, vulnerability to hypnotism and the like is still possible.

>>19877582

Noble Phantasm:

Broken Covenant (The Demon) - C: Whispers among the alien races of the universe speak of a human with the power to shatter the works of the gods. That human is John 117. In the grasp of the man aliens call Demon, no work of divinity is safe. From a simple set of prayer beads to the Holy Ring of the Forerunners, Halo, John can obliterate any object crafted by divine hands. Can even be used on a living opponent, so long as they have Divinity.

Missing in Action (Spartans Never Die) - EX: Spartans, it was said, were so far beyond human that they could not even be killed. This belief was so engrained in the minds of the common man that regardless of the hopelessness of odds, every Spartan lost in battle was listed as Missing in Action. It is the heartfelt belief of most humans that all the lost Spartans would return in their darkest hour, the finish the fight. John 117 simply cannot be killed, unless his death is witnessed by someone other than his enemies or master. Even one innocent person or third party is enough to negate this effect, but without that it is absolute.

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Since some tribes are widely known to be powerful or heroic. Is it possible to summon an entire warrior tribe as a single servant similar to the 100 Hassans?

>>19877692
Even though it's non-canon, in Fate/Extra, a concept was summoned as a servant.

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Archer
Winchester Rifle - The Last Conqueror
Alignment:True Neutral
Strenght:B
Endurance:C
Agility:A
Mana:D
Luck:C
Noble Phantasm:A

Class Skills
Independent Action: EX
Magic Resistence: C

Personal Skills
Accuracy: A

Noble Phantasm:

Once Upon a Time In the West
>The Winchester become famous because it was make everyone, from Golden Prospectors to Hookers capable of killing any enemy. Everyone who uses the gun will have all the attributes and skills of the Gun

True Grit
>This was the gun that won the west, every single user of it had to survive through the difficult landscape. With this Noble Phantasm every enemy around, suffers penalty in Strenght, Endurance ,Agility and Luck, while the user status goes up one rank, while the Luck Skyrockets to A+. To survive in the west you need to be tough and quick but you need specially to be Lucky

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Chrona would probably make a really good Berserker that doesn't suffer Mad Enhancement, but rather makes everyone else suffer it as a B-rank.

Picture for a moment how dangerous that is.

>>19877692

Could you cite a specific example you had in mind? I can't think of any specific tribe/group that would qualify.

So, could Apostles who became that way through Magecraft be Masters, or does it have to be a human since you're calling out to Alaya and Vampires are Gaia critters?

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Oh look, another TYPE-MOON thread! Best get my Weeaboo on!

>>19875591
Check outthis link. It, by consensus of the folks in EGO's Nasuverse quest threads, is the most reliable resource on Type Moon stuff

[http://tatari.byethost33.com/fuyuki/index.htm]

>>19877692
>>19877715
>>19878063
It works for Assassin, since the main requirement is "mostly unknown murderers". You could make a case for "the cannibal tribe" (always commented, never found), and such. Or, in other ways:

The Myrmidons (Assassin)
The famous but greatly unknown warriors of myth can only be summoned as the Assassin class, as their feats and tale are overshadowed by the Legend of his leader, Achilles. Nonetheless, their mythical origins makes them an undeniable existence in the world.

Strength C+
Endurance C+
Agility B
Mana E
Luck B

Presence Concealment C - The Myrmidons tend to use this skill as a way to silently seize positions and arrive in ambush, although their uses for spying are possible, if you trust a warrior's instinct.
Battle Continuation B+ - As veterans of many battles, The Myrmidons skill for combat as a unit grants them endurance and strength when fighting as a group. Their Strength and Endurance will double in these conditions.

Rank C: The Ant Men, endless march of warriors
The Myrmidons fame as unstoppable warriors, showing as their dark gear of legend. Nothing will diminish the drive or skill of a Myrmidon, thus weathering the effects of terrain, wounds or prana.

Rank A: Patroclus, the guise of a champion
Focusing their prana, one Myrmidon at a time may don a striking panoply, gaining one more rank in every stat while near his brothers. However, the fall of this champion will prompt the Myrmidons to withdraw, along with the noticeable depletion in their reserves.

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Hmm. The age of a hero is partially proportional to their power, no?

Perhaps we could have Horned Man from the Indus Valley civilization? I'd peg him as a pacifist Caster or maybe (if we go all weird) Saver class Servant. Perhaps his power would be the ability to tame wild beasts and to cause prosperous bounties to flourish?

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ndRwqJYDM]

>>19878491
I wouldn't use this as a reference. But Nvsqr- Nrvsqer- Nrvesquer- Nero Chaos became the master of Caster in Battle Moon Wars

Also, remade The Green Knight because stuff.

The Green Knight (Berserker, Rider)
A living being that attained harmony with Earth, it appears to test the willpower of great humans and judge them. Having passed through many "lives", its most memorable shape is that of a knight, clad in green.

Strength B
Endurance A
Agility B
Mana C
Luck D

(Berserker) Mad Enhancement B - As the Green Knight is beyond human nature, his (alien) sanity is not affected by Mad Enhancement.
(Rider) Magic resistance B
Protection of the Fairies EX - As a favored spirit, any wounds to the Green Knight's body have no effect on him, and he will avoid being truly incapacitated at all times.

Rank A: The Hewing Axe, the test of the virtuous
A weapon that severs Fate. After being attacked, succesfully or not, The Hewing Axe can be activated to return an unavoidable strike, disabling the Noble Phantasm used against him or dropping the Hero's highest stat to E Rank. The Hewing Axe will only sever one trait from each Heroic Spirit, although which one may change should the Green Knight use it again.

Rank A: The Green Girdle, a pact among beasts
An artifact inscribed with Fairy Letters, bearing a contract of servitude to the Green Knight. Through it, one of four Nature Spirits (or in the case of Berserker, only The Fae) can be summoned:
The Deer: Agility A. Fast and elusive, it can invoke a forest Marble to isolate the Green Knight from danger.
The Boar: Strength A. A creature with Magic Resistance. Will pin or hunt down opponents.
The Fox: Luck A. Weak but cunning. Capable of Presence Concealment and minor illusions.
The Fae: An Elemental in wyrm or human form. It may emulate the effects of faery artifacts it sees, and use Noble Phantasms severed by The Hewing Axe.

>>19878593

I dunno. Even among Assassins, you can only summon one who was so beyond their typical mystique and skill to be named their leader by achieving a Zabinaya.

>>19877778
So the user of the weapon (A master) goes from F- to E rank? Doesn't seem worth it.

>>19878926
Dat A+ Luck stat though

The Tsavo Maneaters (Assassin)

Str: B
End: A
Agi: B
Mana: E
Luck: E

Class Skill
Presence Concealment (A+) - It is possible to disappear completely and become almost impossible to be detected. However, efficacy will decrease once preparations to attack are taken.

Personal Skills
Animal Dialogue (A+) - As animals themselves, the Maneaters have an intuitive understanding of the "language without words," and are able to convey nuanced concepts.

Battle Continuation (A) - Makes possible to fight even with deadly injuries and can remain alive so long as one does not receive a decisive fatal wound.

Nobel Phantasm - Ghosts in the Kenyan Night (A)
While operating in their lifetime, the Tsavo Maneaters evaded all attempts to either trap or defend against them. As such, no defense will be effective against them. They will slip past all barriers and defenses, both physical and magical, in pursuit of their prey. Only offensive actions have a chance of being effective against this Servant.

>>19879096

>E Rank Luck
>African

... I feel like there's an obvious joke here.

I'm amused by the thought of someone trying to summon a servant and only having say an axe, or a spear or a gun drop down to the ground and the master then going "whelp, time to win the war".

These weapons raise parameters and give a few unique abilities, but are still exceptionally dangerous compared to a regular servant.

>>19879452
It's more that they were a pair of male, prideless, maneless lions who probably spent the majority of their adult lives starving to death. One of them may have even had a busted tooth that prevented it from killing natural prey.

They had shitty lives.

>>19878977
>>19878926
Oh.
Yeah
My Bad.

True Grit was supposed to change the "Once Upon a Time in the West" status

>>19876518
You forgot that lion had magic claws as well.

I wanted to do a fictional "mana hero" from secret of mana/legend of mana/dawn of mana.

Hard to post from phone.

>>19881406
Okay, at computer now. Ha Ha time for Mana Heros.

Saber / "The Mana Hero".

Parameters:
Str: A
End: B
Agi: A
Mana: A
Luck: B

Abilities:
Magic Resistance (Saber class skill) : C
Runes : B - The Mana hero has a contract with 8 elemental spirits which allows him mediocre casting ability *or* the ability to place runes on equipment giving it elemental properties.
Item Creation : B - Allows creation of a 'workshop' (Things created at this workshop may be enhanced by runes, providing a variety of magical effects).
Eternal Arms Mastery : C - The Mana Hero has fought with a large variety of weapons over his countless lives, he may use any 'weapon' he can wield in his own two hands as a D rank noble phantasm (rank goes up to C if it is enhanced by runes).

Noble Phantasms :

The Sword that is not a Sword - The Mana Sword [EX Rank]
In the hands of the Mana Goddess, this 'sword' was the implement that created the universe, In the hands of the Mana Hero it is reduced in power, but still quite extraordinary - It may replicate the effects of any other 'sword' type noble phantasm, but the wielder must still pay the full mana/prana cost for any effect it produces, it is never capable of replicating the look of another weapon. In its dormant form this 'sword' is vines and leaves along the wielders right arm, in its active form it is a 'sword' that sprouts from the arm of about 4 feet in length, it cannot be determined if this weapon is made of wood or metal, it is not restricted to right handed use either, it is bonded symbiotically with its wielder.
1/2

Smashing the Mana Fortress - Time flows as a river [B Rank]
The Mana Hero has lived countless lives and in those lives been part of innumerable conflicts typically with the culmination of his story involving him destroying a great fortress singlehandedly. When fighting against reality marbles or special fortifications, The Mana Hero may unleash a special burst from The Mana Sword that destroys a portion of the reality marble or fortification (allowing entrance or exit for both the hero, or other parties).

Slaying the Enraged Wyrm - Death of the Mana Beast [B Rank]
In The Mana Hero's innumerable lives he has fought countless great beasts especially great dragons called "Mana Beasts". When fighting against beasts/animals, spirit beasts, or dragons and wielding the Mana sword or a weapon of his own creation, The Mana hero recieves a single rank up to all parameters (even if he would normally be unable to).

He's probably a little overpowered, and I was *thinking* about allowing him the option of access to the rider class (giving him a dragon, but taking away runes and item creation), but overall I kind of like it.

2/2

>>19876518
You gave me a really terrifying idea...

MOBY DICK

Berserker, Rider

Str: EX
End: A+
Agi: A
Mana: C
Luck: E

To The Depths- Should Moby Dick be mortally wounded he can drag any number of his enemies to the bottom of the ocean with himself regardless of all stats save luck

We need a power over the void hero

>>19874530
Slight update to Nobunaga in a nod to Nasu's comments about guns.

Tanegashima - The Whirlwind From the West [Rank B]
The musket which revolutionized Japanese warfare at the hands of Nobunaga Oda. Its bullets are powerful enough to prove lethal even to a Servant. While a single-shot musket, the Tanegashima is bound to the musketmen that made it a legend and imbued with their spirits, making it as much a Heroic Spirit as a Noble Phantasm. Because of this, Nobunaga can fire the Tanegashima even if his hands are occupied, the Spirit of the gun operating itself, and can even manifest multiple for a withering volley of gunfire - however, each manifestation is a separate use of the Noble Phantasm, causing significant prana drain.

>vidya games

Oh god, The One Free Man

>>19881964
It is a slight continuation from the thread last night where EGO dropped the bomb about him including heros from 'interactive media', which means people from videogames and other such.

The secret of mana "mana hero" servant was posted as though his stats were based on him being 'real', but as he's fictitious his stats would all probably take slight hits.

>>19881839

I believe Moby Dick is canonically a Divine-level Magical Beast that still exists in the current world. Nasu described him as an existence equivalent to a "super-weapon."

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Because Shingen and Kenshin were done already, i feel like someone should do for the less known of the Kanto rulers

Hojo Ujiyasu, The Lion of Sagami
Archer

Str: C
End: A
Agi: C
Mana: B
Luck: B

Abilities

>Charisma - B
Hojo like the other two kanto leaders was adored by his people. Kenshin had God at his side, Shingen had his brilliant mind and Ujiyasu simply listened and helped his people. Never arrogant, Ujiyasu would personally listen to the each problem that the commoners would bring to him and soon his region was the most prosper place in all japan. Ujiyasu could've taken Japan hadn't he took a defensive position from himself

>Siege Warfare - B
Ujiyasu wasn't an man with a big ambition. He never the unification of Kanto, or the control over his rival lands. If he could choose he and his followers would simply live in peace at his lands alongside his enemies, but that wasn't what his enemies wanted, So Ujiyasu to balance the constant offensive of Kenshin & Shingen specialised on the defensive art of the Siege Warfare.
While a excellent tactician on his own, Ujiyasu talents shined when he was tasked on the defence or attack of a castle or edification. The Hojo Clan was simply on another level when compared to the other clans: their builders were brilliant engineers, their warmachines were masterpieces and each soldier knew every single street or trap of the castle.
When Ujiyasu faces(and) or uses an Anti-Army (and) or Anti-Fortress he receive bonus modifiers.

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>>19882517
Noble Phantasm

>Odawara - The Lion's Den
Out of all the holdings, Odawara was the most important and consequently the most attacked, but on the hands of Ujiyasu, the attacks were always repelled and the city prospered to become the richest place of the region on his time. When Ujiyasu is summoned he fixes himself at a location or buiding, and then just by living there Ujiyasu presence will begun to change the local choosen and it's surroundings for the better. The Lifespan of the civillians will rise, the violence will decrease, houses will become bigger, people will become richer, slums will become great communities where money, creativity and technology flows on a higher velocity. While the process may be slow if the servant decides to just sit and wait, the Hojo can speed up the time to staggering velocities by meeting the locals and helping them.
Soon, Ujiyasu has the total trust of the civilians and vice-versa. Once he gained the trust of them, Ujiyasu will create an specie of hive mind, where there he can help his followers or vice-versa.
If Ujiyasu isn't stopped his area of influence will continue to grow: from streets to neighbourhoods;from neighbourhoods to cities; from cities to states and etc.
And in the center of it all, the location where Hojo first fixed "transforms" into the "Odawara Castle" the center off his whole empire.

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>>19882538
The Castle is stupidly resistant even by NP standards being able to take even some hits from some big "Anti-Fortress" NP and is filled with incredibly dangerous traps & soldiers that will attack anyone the servant or his master seems fit.
The Destruction of the Castle will stop all growing that Hojo influence was forcing on the place and while the gains the holding had will be not be regressed it will never grow as prosperous as it would grow if the Castle were around.

If Hojo somewhat survive the fall of the castle, he might fix himself on another place after days, weeks or even months of rest, depending on how much his old holding would had grown
>Rank EX
>Anti Army

Holy shit, i think i've might exaggerated on this guy
Anyway, not many people should know this dude, so i did my best to try to explain what the fuck is up with him on the abilities and stuff

>>19872352
That isn't really a solid distinction, as Ali definitely captured an American zeitgeist that spread to the world and Hitler was fucking Hitler.

Don't suck Nasu's glass dick; to be a Servant you have to do is a) become known for doing something really well in life (Kojirou, Li Shuwen from Extra, Caster, possibly Gilles, Apocrypha Caster, True Assassin) b) be a legend of some sort (Most Sabers, Gil, both Lancers, Rider and Broskander, Vlad, Lu Bu, Herc) or c) make a contract with the world/have some bullshit keeping you alive (EMIYA, Saber Prime, Gil in the 5th). It is possible to make multiple qualifications; this might earn you the King of X title. Broskander and Gil are A and B, EMIYA's A and C, Saber and Gil in the 5th are all of the above.

Any thoughts on Mana Hero?

>>19881747
>>19881766
It's cool
Mana Sword looks broken as fuck, but works on Nasu standards

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>>19882562
>>19882538
>>19882517
Also posting the Kenshin someone on /a/ did it

>Uesugi Kenshin
>Saber
>Female

>Magic Resistance B, Riding B
>Battle Instinct A, Charisma C, Divinity D, Military Strategy A

>NPs
Himetsuru Ichimonji - Unto Enemies Provide Salt (EX)
A masterfully crafted blade symbolic of its wielder's insurmountable chivalry. Gifted to him by a sworn rival, after Kenshin saw fit to supply provisions upon hearing their camp was starving, with the words "Battles are fought with swords and spears, not with rice and salt".

When bearing this sword in battle, its cutting power is keener or duller in accordance with the strength of its opponent; against a fully prepared enemy the sword is unstoppable, but against a weakened or injured foe, the sword weakens.

Bishamon-ten (B)
A large sake cup from which Kenshin ritually drank at the onset of every battle, to gain the blessing of the God of War.

Taking the time to finish a drink of alcohol from this cup before battle bestows martial prowess on par with the Master At Arms skill until the either side retreats or is defeated.

>Rance Kenshin is the best Kenshin

>>19882879
Well, mana sword *immediately* reveals who he is when he pulls that shit - balance wise it might need to downgrade whatever it replicates by a single rank. In *practice* I envision him setting up his workshop, building a few items/weapons and putting runes on them, then going off to fight - and basically reserving the mana sword as a trump card.

Replicating Excaliblasts tends to screw your mana/prana supplies pretty badly even for *good* mages.

>>19882517
What's this dude's Independent Action rank? If it's anything higher than C then fuck the Holy Grail War, we Odawara now.

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>>19882983
That's what i was thinking.
Hojo just say "Fuck this shit" and builds an utopia

>>19877778
Do you actually take the stats of the weapon it gives + rank up, or just rank up and the stats are for the gun?

Either way, Rank EX means we can fuck off faaar away. Grail War fails to end and it has to restart like 10 years later, since, if you're not found, the Holy Grail will go away after fifteen days.

>>19883076
Well, it's hard to move around.
Because you're a gun.

>>19883136
I meant whether the Master takes those stats + rank up or if thats just the weapons stats. If not, you just have A+ rank (which isn't immunity) and E rank stats in everything. Still incredible, but tough as balls to win the war.

>>19883183
The idea would to pick the Weapon Stats with True Grit and buff them with OUATW
But then i realize how stupidly overpowered would it be.

so should the mana hero be able to summon weak magical beasts or create weak golems?

>>19884025
I personally think he is good as he is

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rolled 100 = 100

Any ideas on how to stat him? I figure he'd have a very high Luck stat.

This guy is easily HS-tier since he's why we had WWI. This guy shaped the 20th century. All because he was at the right place at the right time when the driver made a wrong turn, only for the car to suddenly give out.

>>19884212
Yes he was the last piece to unleash the WW1 hell.
But cmon.
The only thing he did was fire two shots.

If you ask me, it makes more sense to Create a Servant who is the "Concept of the WW1"

>>19884301
He was an assassin too, not just some two bit guy. And one shot hit the neck, the other just hit his wife when she reflexively moved to cover him

>>19884316
my point still stands.
It's like saying the dude who shot the arrow at Richard the Lionheart is at HS level.
Dude was just a poor bastard who got flayed alive in the end.

http://pastebin.com/HnR52iV5

Here's the pastebin with the list of each Servant we've put together over seven threads now.

>>19884461
>http://pastebin.com/HnR52iV5

It's...a pretty big number
I've ran out of things to stat, Ujiyasu ended with all my creativity

>>19884461
Also on the Winchester Rifle.
That was just something i did because i read on TM wiki about "Gun fighters can't be HP, only the weapons itself" or something

So yeah, feel free to ignore it or something

>>19884461
>Phaeton (Rider) - A barebones concept. I would be interested in seeing someone flesh this out into a full sheet.

I think he was fully stated in this thread as seen here
>>19874729

>>19884622
Any Servant who was updated in a later thread is listed as
>>Servant - Revision (Class)
or as
>>Servant - Update (Class)
in the thread where the update happened.

>>19884824
As it is, I'll at least adjust my note to address that it *did* get an update.

Guys, a Jewish golem as berserker.

>>19885044
Judah Loew ben Bezalel as Caster

His NP is The Golem of Prague

Has anyone tried statting Theodore Roosevelt as a Servant yet?
Like he is pretty much the definition of 'larger than life'.

>>19885533
He's on the list. Check the pastebin, and look on the link for Thread 2.

>>19884461
oh my god

thank you

Hm, could Van Der Decken, Captain of the Flying Dutchman be used as a Servant?

What additional classes would you think up? Do the 7 existing classes encompass everything without hybridizing?

Science/invention based HSs would easily fall under Caster, just with a different aesthetic. Temples/Workshops become Laboratories.

Bard-based HSs could similarly fall under Caster.

>>19886795

Aside from the obviously canonical Avenger (the anti-hero class), and the psuedo-canonical Saver (The Divine Beings class) and Ruler (NOT a class for Kings and Emperors, but sort of a combination immune system/referee from the grail itself).

There is the Temptress class (I would think Seducer would be a more fitting name, both for name theme and to include men) for heroes whose legends are built around manipulation, control and sexuality, particularly with a parasitic bent. Arcrueid, supposedly, could fit into this class because of her vampiric nature, so assumedly any true vampire could. Famous figures of romance such as Casanova, Don Juan, Cleopatra, or Scheherazade are obvious candidates. Also anyone who leeched money or life from others through means that wouldn't qualify one as Caster (so probably a no for Rasputin)

Beast was originally a unique class for the containment of the 666th Beast, aka Lucifer, but has been extrapolated out to qualify for any animal that has become a heroic spirit. Remember, such animals must have gained this quality through HUMAN WORSHIP. Most magical creatures, as extensions of Gaia's Will, would most likely not qualify. Think about "mundane" animals that have been elevated to legends, like Anasi the Spider, Coyote, or Smokey the Bear

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>>19886979
>Coyote
Baron Samedi gained a rival in trollery.

>>19887003

fuck yes Coyote.

I once ran a game where deities walked the earth along primal spirits, and I threw Coyote in there. One minute he was dropping a clue to the party about the current mystery, the next he was animating skeletons for them to fight.

someday, I dearly wish to run a game in that setting again.

>>19886979

Finally there is the questionable "Monster," class. This was how Shiki Ryougi was ID'd during her cameo in Fate/Extra. Logically, this class would either be:

1) Human-like creatures who have gained heroic spirit status despite being neither human or animal. This would fit automatons, like Frankenstein's Monster, and in Shiki's case would probably revolve around the fact that her third personality is literally the incarnation of Alaya in a human body. It may also qualify non-vampiric mystical creatures which could qualify for Heroic Spirit status through human worship, such as the Golden Werewolf, the Lady of the Lake, and other non-Vampiric nature spirits.

2) Not a servant class at all and just the game UI's way of identifying an existence on a scale with a Servant.

The only other class I was able to conceive of was The Adventurer/The Explorer. This class would be reserved for those Heroic Spirits whose legend is related to going to unknown places, exploring mysteries, or accomplishing great quests. Someone mentioned Edmund Hillary, the first man to climb Everest, and he would probably fit. Other examples might include Marco Polo, Lief Erikson, or Psyche (since she BECAME a god rather than being BORN a god, she would probably be a heroic spirit rather than a divine being), whose legend doesn't really give her any powers but was focused on her journey to find Eros and the tasks she did to reunite with him.

The important key to remember: The Grail will ALWAYS prefer primary classes. Frankenstein will ALWAYS be Berserker if she can before being Monster. Same thing for Arcruid and Temptress vs Berserker. Odysseus will always be Archer before he's Explorer/Adventurer. It's hard-coded that way. Extra classes are only available if there is no other container for the Spirit.

>>19887003
where does this come from, I must see more. In fact you will post more for me. You may begin.

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>>19887177
GunnerKrigg Court. Coyote is the troll god.

>>19886979
Seducer could be tweaked slightly to also have a more political bent than just sexual.

>>The only other class I was able to conceive of was The Adventurer/The Explorer. This class would be reserved for those Heroic Spirits whose legend is related to going to unknown places, exploring mysteries, or accomplishing great quests. Someone mentioned Edmund Hillary, the first man to climb Everest, and he would probably fit. Other examples might include Marco Polo, Lief Erikson, or Psyche (since she BECAME a god rather than being BORN a god, she would probably be a heroic spirit rather than a divine being), whose legend doesn't really give her any powers but was focused on her journey to find Eros and the tasks she did to reunite with him.

How would Adventurer work, and the others? In terms of base parameters and other things.

>>19887559

Good question. Unfortunately, the non-basic classes are major deviations from the normal Grail War rules, so they haven't been canonically codified in terms of their basic parameters. Not even Avenger.

If there was one example of the "base levels" of any one deviant class, extrapolation would be possible, but as is, anything would be pretty much made up.

Coyote has always been a trickster, in every mythology i can think of.
Sometimes he's a troll, sometimes he's That Guy, and other times he's an outright d*ckwad- but he's always a magnificent bastard about it.
Any campaign of any system where personal deities are allowed/encouraged, my rogues go with Coyote.
Or Vectron. He totally exists.

>>19887769
Samefag, got distracted and can't resist Gunnerkrigg. Sorry for derailing even more.
P.S. Late arrival, bit confused - Is this the whole Nasuverse or just Fate/stuff?

>>19887815
This is mostly Fate stuff, I think.

>>19887815

This thread is mainly for Fate stuff, but we also discuss the larger Nasuverse and how one interacts with the other.

Which is why my posts are always talking about random shit like Nature Spirits and Golden Werewolves and Marble Phantasms from other games.

I like this Coyote, and he does seem every bit as trolly as Baron Samedi.

Best. Gumbo. Ever.

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Issac (Archer)

Str: E-A*
End: E-A*
Agi: E-A*
Mana: D
Luck: E-A*

*See Noble Phantasm

Skills:
Collector (A+)
This skill represents the users ability to find and utilize objects from their environment. At A+ rank, the user can use objects in ways that are unexpected or absolutely impossible.

Sadness (A)
Similar to Mad Enhancement, Issac is at his strongest while in the grips of depression, and the strength of his shots will increase.

Battle Continuation (A+)
At this rank, Battle continuation makes it possible to fight on even after death, and the user must be killed a second time.

Noble Phantasm - Everything is Terrible - The Many Faces of Sin (A rank, Anti-unit)
In his adventure, Issac can become more powerful as he finds treasures strewn about the basement. This NP replicates this effect. If Issac finds an appropriate item, in this case something grotesque or related in some way to Christianity, he can use it to increase the rank of his parameters. Each Item of similar Item can only be used once, i.e. if Issac's parameters are increased using a dead dove, a second dove will have no effect. Increasing his Parameters in this way causes Issac to become progressively more non-human and monstrous.

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>>19888382
Noble Phantasm - The Tarot Deck (C Rank, Anti-Unit)
In the Basement, Issac found a deck of Tarot cards. Issac can activate these cards for various effects such as attacking the enemy, healing himself, summoning objects, or teleporting away. Each card can only be used once.

Noble Phantasm - Down through the Trap Door - The Labyrinthine Basement (A Rank, Anti-Army)
This Noble Phantasm is a Reality Marble that draws Issac's opponents into the hellish basement that he wandered through in his adventure. The basement is filled with hostile monsters, most considered E Rank Noble Phantasms with ranks progressing as once descends. Issac himself is transported to the penultimate floor, a cathedral. While within the Cathedral all of Issac's Parameters are boosted 2 ranks. If Issac is killed here, Battle Continuation does not come into play. If Issac has already been killed, and is continuing to fight using Battle Continuation, his opponent will have to traverse an additional floor.

>>19888382
>>19888392

I don't want to hate on your work or anything, but frankly this is PRECISELY what I was concerned about with the concept of Servants from books, games and TV. This isn't about the "legend," of the character, its a duplication of his powers from the game.

The Hundred Face Hassan didn't literally have however many seperate bodies, Lancelot couldn't magically obscure his identity with a smoke cloud, The Blood Fort Andromeda was not originally a Bounded Field, The Golden Fleece never had the power to actually SUMMON the Colchiss Dragon, etc.

The point being, Servants aren't about exactly duplicating the hero as he was in life, they're about conveying his legend in a form that fits with the class template. They're about half how they were in life, half the legends the human race has imputed on them, which is why Alexander the great is a burly redhead rather than a slim golden boy (its what he really looked like) and yet has his magical Zeus chariot (in the version of the legend I found, he only kept the divine bulls, not any magical vehicles, and he didn't ride around with them or anything).

>>19888801
So with that statement in mind - How do you feel about the mana hero posted earlier? some of it is power replication but more of it is based on his legend

>>19888910

To be honest, I don't know anything about Heroes of Mana or its sequels, so I don't really feel like I'm qualified to judge that one.

But as a general rule, heroes that are "generic," ie don't have a specific known identity, are a bad idea by Nasuverse rules.

Take Fate/Stay Night's "fake" Assassin, Koujirou. He was an "unknown," spirit before Caster summoned him, a Wraith that was haunting the Fuyuki Temple. In life, he had perfected a technique that later became known as the signature move of a "fictional" hero, Koujirou Sasaki. The Wraith himself was NOT Koujirou, he was just some farmer who played with swords in his spare time. But when Caster SUMMONED Koujirou, the Wraith took on his identity.

Koujirou couldn't be summoned without a soul that matched that template, but the soul couldn't be a heroic spirit on his own despite having achieved a Miracle/Noble Phantasm because he wasn't know.

A hero without a name like your "Mana Hero," would probably fall under similar rules. He would HAVE to take on the form of a "fictional," template that matched his skills to be summoned.

>>19889014
The Mana Hero is never named in the games because he is player avatar. The strong thematic element though is that he is always born of the mana tree / mana tribe (the mana tree *is* the mana goddess, after she creates the universe with the mana sword she chooses to become a tree, and the people that live around the tree are the mana tribe) if the tree is ever destroyed a new woman from the tribe is chosen to become the tree. In short he's a continually reincarnated hero, if you're familiar with wheel of time he's kind of like Rand Al'Thor / Lews Therin character.

There are always a few constants with the Mana hero - he is always a masterful warrior who ends up wielding the mana sword, he always has the blessing of 8 elements (light, dark, wood, metal, earth, wind, water, fire) sometimes having to travel the world to repower the sword if it or mana weakens.

He always ends up fighting great beasts, quite a few times when mana is wildly out of balance (or the mana tree has been burned to ashes by the mana fortress) he ends up fighting a great white dragon called the "Mana Beast" quite capable of destroying the world.

He almost always ends up destroying fortresses / evil empires single handedly. Sometimes he manages to get crazy shit like dragons to ride around on. In setting the mana sword when wielded by heros *is* that settings excalibur / gram / hrunting / caladbolg etc.

The workshops / item creation is mostly from legend of mana, but the games themselves typically have a blacksmith / weapon upgrade system in them.

The guy has had countless lives, so he's never exactly the same - but there are a few constants in his legend, notably wielding the mana sword, destroying a fortress, slaying great beasts and being a master of many weapons and having a pact with elementals.

Does anyone know the name of Leif Erikson's longboat?

Or if it had a name at all?


Also, would someone very famous in just one country (Ned Kelly) qualify as a servant?

Saber [Lugh]

Parameters:

Strength: A
Endurance: A
Agility: A
Mana: C
Luck: A

Alignment: Neutral Good

Skills:

Magic Resistance: A

Charisma: A - High King of the Tuatha de Denaan and beloved for his skill with the harp and in all the arts of the peoples of Denaan.

Divinity: C - A quarter Fomorian by way of his grandfather, Balor of the Evil Eye, and sometimes revered as a god of the sun, giving him an aura of divinity.

Expert of Many Specializations: EX - See Samhildánach for details.

Noble Phantasms:

Samhildánach - One Who is Skilled In Every Art [Rank EX]: Lugh is uniquely identified as a paragon of every skill, and indeed earned his place among the Denaan not by displaying any skill which the Denaan did not already know, but by knowing all of them at once. Lugh's class is not visible to his opponents, and he is considered to have the rank of A++ in Expert of Many Specializations. In addition, Lugh may claim any of the following skills at an A Rank, though only one at a time: Independent Action, Uncrowned Arms Mastership, Riding, or Protection of the Faeries. As well, Lugh may possess one Noble Phantasm among those normally belonging to other classes in addition to the one he wields according to his class, which will be chosen at the time of summoning.

>>19889755
Fragarach - The Answerer [Rank B Anti-Unit]:
The blade of Lugh, named the Answerer, it strikes down his enemies before their hands are raised against him. Used in response to another Noble Phantasm, Fragarach winds back the clock, striking the heart of the foe in the moment before their strike. Its power has been diluted by its use in the hands of mortals, but reunited with its true owner, it is still a weapon guaranteed to destroy the heart of a foe. This is Lugh's Noble Phantasm as a Saber.

Areadbhar - Finest Yew of the Wood [Rank A Anti-Army]

Lugh owned many fine spears by many names, and their legends come together in this weapon. A spear which, when cast, strikes and returns without fail, its head burns with a flame so hot that it must constantly be doused in a cauldron of water, which will inevitably be boiled away within the hour. For raw force, Lugh's most powerful Phantasm, the heat of its wake will scorch the earth where it passes and can even threaten a Servant, and a direct hit threatens death to even Servants of Endurance Rank A without some additional protection. Lugh's Noble Phantasm when summoned in the class of Lancer.

>>19889758
Tathlum - Strike Out the Eye of Evil [Rank A Anti-Personnel]:
A sling armed with a concrete stone, Tathlum was used to kill Lugh's grandfather, Balor of the Evil Eye, a frightful giant whose Mystic Eye slayed the king of the Tuatha, Nuada. The stone drove Balor's eye from his head and out the back, and as he fell dead to the ground, it scorched the earth in one final burst, creating the lake now known as the Lake of the Eye. Normally an A-Rank Anti-Personnel Noble Phantasm, when directed against one who possesses Mystic Eyes, their force is directed back against the user. This is Lugh's Noble Phantasm when summoned as an Archer.

Aenbharr - His Mane Flows as the Waves [Rank B]
A steed gifted to Lugh by the sea god Manannán mac Lir. It can ride over land and sea with equal ease and speed, ferrying Lugh into battle. Aenbharr cannot be turned aside by any manipulation, being used to galloping on shifting waves - once given a destination, it will bear Lugh there without fail, even after its own death. This is Lugh's Noble Phantasm when summoned as a Rider.

I was just looking for something on Wikipedia and came across this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Stumpp .
I think he would make a cool werewolf-berserker.

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I mean what the fuck
This game was basically "Arthurian Legends: Jets Jousting Edition"

Listen to this while you read his stats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKDzOnRydWk

Cipher
Rider

Strength: C
Endurance: C
Agility: A+
Mana: C
Luck: B

Skills

Riding - EX
Cipher is unparalleled when it comes to Aircrafts, but his Riding skills fall down to C when he tries to use any other thing

Noble Phantasms

>The Demon Lord Of the Round Table - The Infernal Ruler who Reigns Supreme
"Oh, him? Yeah, I know him. It's going to take a while. It happened years ago. Did you know... there are three kind of aces? Those who seek strength, those who live for pride, and those who can read the tide of battle. Those are the three. And him... he was a true ace."

Cipher was probably the best fighter pilot of his time, who could change the whole battle by just being there. It was thanks to his skills that he was given the nickname of "The Demon Lord of the Round Table" to showcase how skilled he was on a near supernatural level. He never run out of Fuel, Bullets or Missiles and even though he had his favorite jet the F-15, Cipher could control masterfully any other aircraft like a true god.
Any Aircraft used by him is considered a NP, he never runs out of fuel, bullets, missiles or any extra weapon the vehicle has and it will never show any sort of technical failure
>Rank A


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>>19889917
>The Round Table - The Battlefield of the Equals
"This is the Round Table. Dead men's words hold no meaning."

The Round Table or Airspace B7R is the main battlefield that Cipher and his rivals fought, and it's impressed in the memory of every single one of them.It comes by its name from the mountain range that runs through the area creating a circle, in which it makes a reference to the Arthurian legend where as its name suggests, it has no head, implying that everyone who sits there has equal status. In this case the equal status is the fighting terms in which the pilots endure for there is no distinct advantage for anyone and those who achieve victory only upon their proper skills. No one had support from ground-based emplacements.
When Cipher uses this NP, he creates a Reality Marble of the Battlefield that made him and other fighters legends. There Cipher will appear piloting his aircraft of choice and will challenge his opponent to a battle.
In the Round Table, while Cipher will not gain or suffer any bonuses he and his opponent will become invincible against ground attacks and the only way to defeat any of them is in a Aerial Battle. If the opponent has no way of flight Cipher will give to his choosen enemy an aircraft.
Cipher only chooses to use this NP when he decides he want a battle with no interruptions
>Rank EX

There
I tried my best to work out with the "Legend of The Demon of the Round Table"
Wanted some Feedbacks to it

Assassin [Hassan-i-Sabbah - Hassan of the Garden of Temptations]

Parameters -
Strength: D
Endurance: E
Agility: A
Mana: C
Luck: C

Skills -

Presence Concealment: A

Body Modification: B

Projectile (Daggers): C

Charisma: C - Leader of the Hasashin Cult and bewitcher of men and women.

>>19890021
Noble Phantasm:

Zabaniya - The Three Temptations [Rank A Anti-Personnel]

This Zabaniya is a form of Mystic Eye stolen and implanted from an unknown source. Using a form of hypnotism, it kills in three ways - first, a scorching desert heat is produced which burns the body and saps one's physical strength. Should the target resist this effect, secondly their muscles compress as though a great weight has been cast upon them, or as though they have fallen from a great height. The last Temptation is the most subtle - it offers relief from the damages suffered in the first two attacks - if accepted, though it heals all hurt caused by the first two attacks, it destroys the body's natural healing ability, rendering the victim's body unable to reject any wound suffered from that point on - only Assassin's whim and expenditure of his prana may then allow the victim to heal.

Top of the Mountain - The Garden of Paradise [Rank C Marble Phantasm]

The legendary garden in which the Hashashin were born. Entering the Garden requires Assassin to enter a death-like trance which creates a great smoke-cloud - entering this cloud draws one into the Garden as well. A false Paradise created by the engineering of Hassan, prospective Hashashin would be drugged and taken in secret to the Garden, a false Heaven which promised relief from the burdens of the world if one would only serve Hassan-i-Sabbah. The Marble is a place of succor and every pleasure is available here, but they are false and will not sustain any but Assassin. Acts of violence will break the peace of the Garden, and so it is usually used as a method of retreat rather than as a weapon, but it can be offered as a poisonous temptation by Assassin as well - within a day, the Garden's pleasures cannot be escaped without some form of mental resistance. Dying within the Garden renders you another of the servants who tend it.

>>19890030
>>19890021
What is this
Any other thing that is not a Zabiniya?
Heresy

For some reason i imagine every Hassan just chilling in the Garden

>>19890059
Haha, pretty much.

I figured someone should address the history of the name "Old Man of the Mountain" though. So there it is - The garden of the Hashashin, where foolish young men were taken to Heaven and promised eternal reward if they gave their life in his name... all cleverly created through hallucinogens and good ol' fashioned hashish hazes. Also, a lot of whores.

A LOT of whores.

>>19889755
But that puts Lugh with a lower Divinity stat than his son, Cu Chulainn (who has Divinity B).

At least in the Nasuverse, it seems that Lugh is considered a full deity.

>>19890133
Yeah, fair enough

He should probably have Hercules's Divinity, then, as someone who was considered both Mortal and a God at varying points.

How about Holy Roman Emperor Frederick "Barbarossa" the 1st?
The guy unified the HRE, and after that proceeded on a crusade, with a force that scared even Saladin.

>>19890147
Hm. I suppose that could work. I'll note that on the pastebin on the next update.

Now if I could just work up a Noble Phantasm for him...

Berserker [Shuten-doji]

Parameters:
Str: A+
End: A
Agi: B
Mana: D
Luck: D

Alignment: Chaotic Neutral - Wild and uncontrollable, Shuten-doji is not cruel but has an insatiable appetite for women, wine, and treasure. However, he is known to respect and care for pariahs and children.

Skills:

Mad Enhancement

Divnity: B - Considered a lord of the Oni despite being only half a demon.

Natural Body: B - Shuten-doji was born perfectly strong and healthy, already capable of acting as a human and with a full head of hair, and maintained his youthful appearance even as he became feared as a demon. Thanks to the Medicine of Immortality, his body will never be weakened or aged, and he needs no training to maintain his strength.

Nature of a Rebellious Spirit: B

Mountain God: C - Shuten-doji's origins are widely disputed, but it is agreed that he was abandoned as a child on one of the mountains of Japan and became a natural master of the terrain. Shuten-doji is most at home in the mountains and can easily move through rocky terrain with a perfect sense of direction.

Onmyo Magecraft: C - Shuten-doji knows many secrets of the Onmyo, but is not skilled in their use. This skill is unavailable to him under the effect of Mad Enhancement.

I have updated the pastebin in >>19884461 to include the recent additions. I have also adjusted the notes a bit, and added a new symbol into the legend.

>>19890520
Well his biggest thing is according to what i've been reading right now is that he pretty much eats anything or anyone

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>>19890574
>>19890520
how about something like this

Godly Appetite - The Neverending Hunger of the Great Oni
Shuten has many stories about him, but there is always something that it's repeated in all of them. Shuten is in constantly hunger and most of his actions are a consequence of it.
the Oni Lord can eat practically everything, and if his hunger isn't satisfied soon, Doji will begin to grow angrier and angrier and will try to eat everything on his way, until he is satisfied.
Even though Alcohol is what truly satisfy the god, Doji can eat from physical things to whole concepts and everything that he eats will be stored in his body which he can expel later, but if he expels too much of it Doji will start to feel more and more hunger and if his master doesn't want him to go crazy he will have to give something quick to the Oni to satisfy him quickly
Rank A

>>19890690
Not a bad idea at all. Might interact with a low baseline level of Mad Enhancement, reflecting the idea that he wasn't always a demon but became more demon-like as he indulged his greed further [and making him even more similar to his 'opposite number', Apocrypha's Kintaro]

Well, since his monster exists...

Caster [Victor Frankenstein]

Parameters:
Str: D
End: D
Agi: C
Mana: B
Luck: D

Alignment: True Neutral - Propelled mostly by his own ego, while his goals might be noble, he is not a very good person. His warped world-view and tendency towards egomaniacal behavior make him difficult to predict or judge.

Skills:

Territory Creation - B

Item Construction - A: Specialist in artificial life.

Mental Pollution - C

Surgical Procedure - B

Noble Phantasm:

Modern Prometheus - The Art of Stealing Fire [Rank EX]
Renowned for his creation of his 'monsters', Frankenstein's homunculi are imbued with life through this secret art. Gifting them with the spark of life, Frankenstein can take even very disparate creations and bind them together into a functional homunculus with the power of a low-rank Heroic Spirit. Control over these beings passes to his Master, and they can sometimes be difficult to handle.