Bump. /tg/'s moving pretty fast.

No takers? I'll bump a few more times.

>mfw I've been wanting to throw together a mech ruleset for a little while

Looking now, will offer feedback shortly.

>Anyways.
>in the middle of a paragraph during an explanation of the attributes
Stop it.

let's do a character and a combat right now, OP

>>18541621
Awww yeah, eagerly awaiting.

>>18541629
Okay.

>>18541630
What, in the thread? Might clutter things a bit but I'm up for it.

>>18541637
yeah dude, let's do it

rolled 4 = 4

>trying to keep it realistic
>mechs

Yeah, nah.
Seriously just make them tank commanders - it's about forty thousand times more realistic than ANY kind of mech.

>>18541660
I know, I know. If it makes you feel better tanks can somewhat tear up mechs in the game.

>>18541646
Works for me. I took some inspiration from Arcanum, as far as their attribute system went. Broke it down into two fields- physical and mental. Characters have Intelligence, Power, Perception, Agility, Charisma, and Beauty.

You get 20 attribute points to spend. Each dot placed into an attribute costs 1 more then the previous- so the second costs 2 points, where the first is only 1.

Any suggestions for the example char? Easiest distribution is 1-1-2-2-3-3.

Awwww yeah, seems pretty simple, I dig what I'm seeing thus far, adding an editable character sheet to the download would be pretty nice. It would make things a bit easier to get into, though I could just stop being lazy and do a notepad write up.

OK, op, before I jump in, give me a good pitch of this, and why should I consider using it, as opposed to these games:

http://www.remnantsrpg.com/

http://www.myheroicjourney.com/mecha/

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Mechaton_Titan

Since those are already pretty rules-light...

>>18541679
Glad to hear it. And I'm somewhat guilty of that also. I've meant to write up a .pdf sheet but haven't gotten around to it.

Will do.

>>18541683
Looking through them now. I'll get back to you in a few minutes.

>>18541552
Never played any mech pnp but this pic gave me a raging hard on that needs to be satisfied.

This looks neat, have some relevant art.

>>18541709
Alright, my first impressions on the first two are mediocre. Though their sites are professional looking it seems they require you to pirate or purchase the rules. That's not something I especially respect. No pitch that I could find, no example rules, just 'we made this and purchase it'. It was also a cursory glance, so I might be horridly wrong.

For the third, Mechaton Titan, I can see the appeal of the rules. It's set up almost in a similar fashion of Mothafuckin' Crap Truckers, or about as rules light as you can get. Rules seem neat and workable.
Even so, there isn't much for customization. You can't fap over the new parts you looted off of a destroyed mech, hit up the black markets to try to find the one beloved part you want. It's simplicity cuts back on the construction aspect that many people love.


>>18541726
That was my goal. I think.

>>18541733
Yes.

>quickly reading through the various parts
Stop it, boner

Let me know if I get out of line and you wish me to stop OP

>>18541793
It's all good. Free bumps are free bumps, and I don't believe the people already in the thread mind.

>>18541788
Ha, glad you're pleased. That was one of the most difficult parts of it since I'm not especially creative. Hit all the 'fast', 'strong', 'metal box' archetypes.

Mediafire isnt working for me. Any alternatives?

I just got to the thread. looking over it now. ill giv you feedback soon

Ok, so this is actually fairly similar to what I wanted to throw together as a weekend ruleset. Main difference being this is more thought out and compact. The different companies and parts are a nice touch.

Also,
>mech RPG thread
>only 2 ukitakumuki pics
You dissapoint me.

stryker mgs was here mechs are the gay

i hope yall realize even this baby tank would rape your mechs irl. seriously. one shot to the legs and the whole thing come crashing down - hell, even a decent hit in the torso (not hard because lol DAT SILHOUETTE) would topple a mech over if not destroy it outright and good luck standing back up

tanks need to do more than just rip up mechs - tanks need to fucking rape them. in your game, a single hit from a tank and it should be all over, and anything less than the most well-armed mechs should barely even scratch them.

>>18541819
I must have missed those threads. Somewhat remember the underground robot fighting threads, though.

Hardpoints. They're a fairly ordinary yet effective way to construct things. Most PC games plus many other RPG's have done something similar. And as said before, I'm not all too creative.

Okay, so >>18541861 had the same idea. works for me.

>>18541863
NO FUN ALLOWED

>>18541887
fun is just a buzzword people use when they can't think of a reason why something is actually good. it's a piss-poor argument and you should stop using it.

>>18541766

The quickstarts for the games are here:
http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=79879

There are lots of review for Remnants, and it's a d6 based system, a little like yours. Here's the character sheet.

http://www.edgerpg.com/pdfs/RemnantsSheetBlank.pdf

I'd do more research before you dismiss them, though.

>>18541839
Certainly- http://www.2shared.com/document/zwR0vkdL/ChromeStrike.html

>>18541850
Awesome.

>>18541862
I'd post more but my sci-fi folder is a mess.

>>18541863
We know, I know. In the game I tried to emphasize that tanks are a threat- the suggesting starting points isn't nearly enough to solo them. Tactics around then would almost certainly be hiding-the-fuck from tanks and nailing them with missiles or rockets.

Higher points, less so. But that's at higher points.

I do like the urban agile type mecha a lot. It's one of the reasons Heavy Gear is my absolute favorites. They're about the same size as yours, and dont have the size or carry the firepower of tanks, but have their place on the battlefield.

anyway reading more...

>>18541913
Definitely. I'll download the further, glanced through the char sheet you linked. It actually looks quite similar in presentation to my own chars- though the 'Total Ratings' seems to suggest more offense-defense interactions.

I'll see if I can look into both further.

>>18541863

Does the game take place in real life? If so, you have all the points in the world. Congratulations. /k/ will now give you your membership badge.

If the game doesn't take place in real life (which from reading the game appears to be the case), then you need to stop fagging up this otherwise cool thread.

Keep up the good work, and get an editor. :)

>>18541957
*Download the former.

>>18541956
Think it's just a bit of 'this isn't realistic enough' (or 'not real') and then the other guy is 'no you'. I wouldn't be too worried about either.

>>18541981Keep up the good work, and get an editor. :)

That was for the OP

>>18541863
Why are you assuming the mechs are light enough, and lightly armoured enough, that a tank shot can knock them over?
If they had the same armouring as a tank, sure, their design would make them more unstable. But not if they have more or heavier armour.

>>18541981
>>18542004
Yep, thanks man. If this gets to the playtesting point I'll draft one of them to do it. Hopefully. Maybe.

>>18541921

A suggestion on the tank bit- emphasize that these are armored infantry, or mobile infantry if you want to get Starship Troopers in here. These are probably bigger than the mobile infantry suits, but from the sound of it, the mechs are meant to be larger soldiers that are better armored against small arms, that are faster and stronger than an unassisted trooper.

>>18541920 is also right about tanks. If you can pierce the armor, good night. Heavier mechs might be better equipped as anti-armor troops.

Other than that, looks ok to me.

black mamba was here humans are the gay

i hope yall realize even this baby snake would rape your humans irl. seriously. one bite to the legs and the whole thing come crashing down - hell, even a decent bite in the torso (not hard because lol DAT SILHOUETTE) would topple a human over if not kill it outright and good luck standing back up

snakes need to do more than just rip up humans - snakes need to fucking rape them. in your game, a single bite from a snake and it should be all over, and anything less than the most well-armed human should barely even scratch them.

>>18542040
Not quite. Mechs in the game, unrealistic as it may be, are likely too much on the large size to constitute as any form of Power-Armor. Distinction being that the ones ingame are piloted from a tiny cockpit.

Heinlein certainly has his place in the game though. I'll probably end up adding some extra stuff for Mobile Infantry and Power Armor, just because it's around the right age in-game. And it would add some interesting combat. And be awesome.

>>18541920
>one good shot enough to kill most tanks
nope.iso
well actually kinda. it depends who you're fighting
an m1a2 can sit out in the open and take rpg-7s all day without getting so much as a scorchmark, and they roll over IEDs like nobody's business, so for fighting sandniggers its not a problem.

compare this to your mech - one good RPG-7 shot at the leg joint = mobility kill (and step on an IED = same thing)
not just damaged or blown off tracks (which can be fairly quickly replaced) but a full on mobility kill, equivalent to losing an entire engine or something, unless you develop REALLY quick-change legs (which would be even weaker)
one good shot to the torso and the mech has fallen over, and can't get up. if it doesn't then get raped in its defenceless position it's at least out of the battle till someone gets an AVRE to pick it back up

now, fighting a modern army, yes tanks get demolished pretty thoroughly by helicopters and etc. but so do mechs. and yes, fighting modern anti-tank systems tanks may/may not (LOL CLASSIFIED depleted uranium armour effectiveness) get eaten but mechs have even less of a chance. considering mechs would be vastly more expensive than tanks to develop and then cost a comprable amount AT LEAST for reduced survivability, there is absolutley no incentive to develop mechs

so yes, you can say that fighting a modern enemy tanks likely would be pretty thoroughly countered but the same applies to mechs, and mechs don't have the advantage of being able to annihilate Jamal the insurgent

and that's not even getting into the logistics of it


BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, none of that has any bearing on tanks vs. mechs. the winner is clear-cut --> its tanks
tanks are faster, heavier armour, bigger guns, don't fall over. they're easier to hide and easier to operate too

>>18542041
that's a silly analogy and you know it.

>>18542041
>>18542088
Seems like a silly person.

>>18542067
If you are a 25 point mech and take a hit from a tank to the legs you're almost certainly going to be crawling around feebly. That's my part of it.

Other then that there's only so much realism that can be added before it's an entirely different game. I know you're not arguing so, merely presenting facts for an argument. But I'd like to stress that for the other readers.

>>18542065

Fair enough I've had trouble placing anything smaller than a battletech mech and larger than power armor into a particular combat role, so I've kind of bastardized them into armored infantry.

Power armor versus mechs would be pretty sweet, though.

>>18542067
>becoming so upset with other people having fun wrong that he needs to type a long-winded 'argument'
Fantastic tale, kinsman.
We'll be over here enjoying some rules-light mech games.

>>18542018
because a heavy mech is just laughable
all dat weight going down through dem tiny feet is going to cause problems in anything other than paved ground (and even then it might wreck the roads a bit) and heavy armour is going to necessitate an even larger mech (which will be more easily seen etc. etc. etc.). moreover, if mechs get so big that they become impervious to tank shots then a) they'll be even slower and b) how are they supposed to operate in an urban environment

also logistics

Ok a couple things. Mech construction is rules light and simple. i like that. limiting things to hardpoints helps you to avoid a lot of broken issues

Its very similar to heavy gear

combat seems solid i guess. i wont be able to pick out any major flaws unless i try it out though

the rpg aspect obviously could use a lot more fleshing out, but im sure you know that. One big turn off for me is the use of a d3. i HATE games that want to use d3's.

was a fun read though. I like it. i know that feeling you get when you make something like this and put it out on the interwebs. good times. Do you have a blog i can follow? if not, MAKE A BLOG

i know EVERYONE has a blog it seems, but if you are serious about this, do a development blog.

cheers man

>>18542112
>implying i'm not having fun doing this
i like to argue, i like tanks and i like mechs and i like investigating how tanks and mechs would work irl and how their roles would cross over and differ

You actually put in some stats for things other than mechs in here, like helicopters?
I could hug you, man. So many games leave this shit out, it's aggravating.
Can you stat up some other stuff, like a jeep?
Mechs always end up fighting a jeep full of assholes with RPGs.

>>18542127
On the d3's, that's just kind of an artifact of some parts needing smaller dice-pools then a d6, to synergize well with the low number attributes. Will see if I can think up something better.

Happy to hear you like it, though. I'll definitely see what can be done about a blog.

Cheers.

>>18542149
Ha, it seemed important. And sure. APC's, jeeps, power armor, mobile infantry incoming. That'll be for later though.

On the subject of mechs getting torn up by tanks, wouldnt a smaller mech deflect a shot or worse get something torn off due to kinetic energy?

>>18542173
Awesome, thanks for having it in mind.

comrade ivan was here capitalists are the gay

i hope my comrades realize even this baby state-controlled market would rape your disgusting pig-dirty capitalist economy irl. seriously. one export to the developing world and the whole thing crash - hell, even a decent growth period in the austrian school (not hard because lol DAT BOOM & BUST) would topple a swine-hund capitalist regime if not destroy it outright and good luck recovering

communism need to do more than just rip up filthy mud-man capitalists - communism needs to fucking rape them. in your game, a single export from a communist state and it should be all over, and anything less than the most productive capitalist state with the highest GDP human should barely even fluctuate them.

>>18542160
yeah man development blogs are important. theyre largely important because they act as a development journal for you. followers can comment, and just by putting your notes on the web drives you further to take it further.

blogspot is super easy for getting one started

if you have something tangible going, next step would be self publishing through something like lulu.com, or if you think you have a big enough following it would be kickstarter.

>>18542186
I thought they exploded before they actually hit
or was it exploded as soon as they touch something? I don't really know.

>>18542197
I'm trying to determine if this can somehow be relevant.

>>18542186
No idea, not much of an engineer or tank operator. Lighter mechs do have a lower armor-save in game, though, which as a result makes them more likely to have stuff torn off. If thats what you're getting at.

>>18542197
Not gonna lie, I found this pretty funny.

samurai was here knights are the gay

i hope yall realize even this baby smaurai would rape your knights irl. seriously. one slash to the legs and the whole knight come crashing down - hell, even a decent hit in the torso (not hard because lol DAT MOBILITY) would topple a knight over if not kill him outright and good luck standing back up when the samurai is slashing at you

samurais need to do more than just rip up european knights - samurais need to fucking rape them. in your game, a single hit from a samurai and it should be all over, and anything less than the most well-armed knight should barely even scratch them.

>>18542201
I see. In the past I've kind of been limited to my actual play-testers, and the occasional posters on 4chan. Hadn't thought of it before that way- giving the other, anonymous sorts of fellows something more permanent. I'll definitely get on it.

>>18542203
Ditto.

>>18542214
I meant more of a german tank vs allied tank ww2 thing. germans designed their armor around deflection. not to say it couldnt take a splosion either.
So with a smaller tank there would be a chance of nothing happening because of a deflection, but as someone else had said I know nothing about modern or near future tank ordinance.
It also might be a bit too complicated for rules light. although just adding in a percentage chance for deflection would be cool I think.

Looks cool OP, though I'm mainly in this thread for the art.
>>18542214
He probably posted in the wrong window. /pol/ is... interesting... right now.

>>18542239
>>18542273
You people. I've been kind of watching the de-rail with interest since it's still somewhat educational. Sort of. And remotely related. This /is/ TG, but even so.

Anyone care to try to mech a character or mech? Slap something together? Take a joy-ride through my character creation process?

Another bump. Things seem to have died down.

>>18542302
>>18542273
OOps. No clue why I said smaller tanks. I meant smaller mechs. Im on the mech side of the argument.
Id try to make something but the link isnt working for me.

>>18542348
Neither of them are? Try this one-
http://www.filedropper.com/chromestrike

>>18542302
>mech a character
Sure, tell me what you can about the setting, if any.

tank ammunition come in over 9000 types

first you've got APFSDS or something
they work like an arrow
seriously
it's basically a big rod of metal thats pointy at the end, and it punches through armour
these are your armour piercing rounds
they have INSANE amounts of force. like, more force than skyscrapers exert on the earth thru gravity kind of force
they work to different levels of effectiveness based on the material - depleted uranium will actually fuck you up, tungsten is good but not great and iron is just lol niggers

then you've got a myriad assortment of HE rounds. these are the ones that go boom, and they're used for clearing fortifications, engaging infantry and anti-tank purposes
you get things like HEAT (high explosive anti tank)
HESH (high explosive squash head) and then things like the MPAT for clearing obstacles

then you've got specialist rounds like canister shot (120mm shotgun), laser-guided missiles and etc. etc., all of which can be fired out of the gun

rifled guns are "more accurate" but the kinds of rounds they can use are more limited

guns get better as they get bigger but a 200mm cannon could be worse than a 120mm cannon depending on design and ammo. also, these guns are fucking HEAVY - that's why you don't see Abrams rolling 180mm when there's no need.

it'd be cool if you put in all the different ammo types

>>18542372
Don't know how I missed that. Normally proofread my posts multiple times.

Uh, setting. Something like the early 22nd century, or late 21st. Here's a lazy copy and paste from the book-

ChromeStrike is set in the sort-of-near-future. A long series of wars and break-downs of alliances has done away with the U.N and other organization, effectively letting countries do as they wish with each-other. Many of the smaller nations have been absorbed entirely by neighbors.
With the advent of mechs, combat has become somewhat revolutionized. Small, urban forces that utilize mechs are especially strong. Corporations and companies that hopped on the mech bandwagon found themselves rich. With the lawlessness and wartime tensions, these companies have been free to pursue what political and financial power they like. More often then not they remain separate from their patron nation, but are beholden and supported by them.
With all the wars, and bickering, and fighting,mercenaries are especially in demand. None more-so then mech pilots.

>>18542397
I'll see what can be done. The weapon list is currently not all too diverse, so adding in gun modifications or additional ammo types might be a good way to do so.

One more bump from me. After that I'll be lurking around.

>>18542402
Cool. Probably go for Marine or former Marine Mech Pilot. Also going to be an investor on the side.

As far as realism goes, I made a game with a similar idea, dude.

>>18542402
>With the advent of mechs, combat has become somewhat revolutionized.
I think that needs to go the other way around. Combat would have to be seriously revolutionized for mechs to not suck ass at it.

>>18542246

Thinking of play-testers, should we start a play-testing group or two?

>>18542540
Ha. Similar minds think alike? I'm trying to remember if said system was a wargame or not.

>>18542553
Already sort of gone over this previously in this thread.

>>18542302
>Anyone care to try to mech a character or mech? Slap something together? Take a joy-ride through my character creation process?

heck yes id like to thry out creation. im in the middle of something right now so cant atm. but if the thread is alive in a bit ill give it a go

>>18542572
Awesome. Lemme know what you think once you get done with it.

>>18542580
I'd be happy to get a mIRC and maptools thing going to kind of hammer through combat and character creation. Depends on how many people are interested.

>>18542580
I'd be willing to playtest, so long as it's at a time I'm not busy. (Almost any time, hunting for work. -_-)

>>18542625
I know that feel, bro. I know that feel.

Anyone else? We get another one or two people and I'll grab us an IRC channel.

Saging for double bump.

>>18542607
I haven't forgotten about you.

>>18542611

I've got me and one other interested in trying it out.
If you can get an IRC up soon we can discuss.

Thread has been preemptively archived. OP, if you continue to update this system (and you really should, it looks solid), be sure to archive it. I'd hate to miss it.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html

>>18542686
Can do better then soon. Hop on-

Server: irc.thisisnotatrueending.com
Port: 6667
Channel: #Chromestrike

>>18542731
Thanks man, I certainly intend do. Blog and updates soon incoming.

>>18542770
We've got three interested so far, get in here. It'll be awesome.

>>18541552

Can I just say that I highly support this project. This sort of thing is something that's sorely needed. Bascially all the mecha RPGs on the market right now like Mekton, SilCore or Battletech are extremely rules-heavy and basically require the use of miniatures.

There's a huge untapped market of RPG gamers who prefer rules-lite systems. A great many of them are anime fans and would love a good, Japanese mecha RPG system.

Might I recommend taking these early ideas and expanding them to cover many different genres of mecha? You might have something here. Get some good arists and publish this shit.

>>18542590
Yeah, "mechs" already have a place on the battlefield, really. Making mechs a reality doesn't require changing the battlefield or changing technology. It just requires looking at the field, seeing the need, and filling it.

In the end, there will likely not be a clear "mech" unit, or perhaps multiple "mech" units filling various roles. And they will be more like the machines in Heavy Gear, or this homebrew here.

>>18542041

Should've linked to the other guy, but yea, this made me lol.

I think that the easiest way to make mechs make sense is to make tanks more trouble then they are worth.

I've heard a few ideas for cites in the future and the ones I thought were most interesting are the ones that focus on pedestrian access and mobility. If cities get more compact and crowded as time goes on and mass transit is able to replace more of the normal thoroughfares, and skyscrapers limit air support, than I could see large battle suits having a place. They could jump or repel (which a conventional vehicle could not) and be able carry and use heavy weapons that a normal man could not.

And if corporate backing, construction and ownership of large amounts of these cites leads to them being in charge of security then city blocks might become more like city-states, complete with military-like forces trying avoid collateral damage for the sake of profits. Otherwise;

>nukes, carpet bombing, demolitions everywhere. Oh god why am I on fire?

Ok OP i hope you're still monitoring this thread. Here's the guy i made.

Reggie Fleck is a mercenary of the cowardly kind. He operates a mech made up of just about every different part from about every different company. A completely custom yet hardy build he calls the Wrecker. But his skill in apprasing, selling, and salvaging are bar none. Should he be caught in a fight, he has found several combat uses for his shoulder mounted winch as a unique combat application.

Character creation was fast and simple. I like your Good as New perk, so i kept it. But i wanted to make up Appraiser.

Mech creation confused me on a couple places at first, but most of my questions were answered when i got through it. I think i got it all right. But things could have been worded better i guess. Couldnt find out where to calculate initiative. I may have just missed it though.

I also invented a piece of equipment. Using the shoulder attack roll, it launches a grappling hook that utilizes the STR score to wheel the target in. The way i imagined it is that mech STR score can be opposed by the target, which is why i tried to give the Wrecker a high strength score.

>>18544644
Looks pretty good. I like the cowardly mercenary scrapper concept, every good group needs something like that.

Sounds like making 'em was a breeze, more or less, which is good. I do need to reword some things. That'll be one of my first priorities. Initiative is the characters Agility + Perception, which will be added onto the mech's attribute page.

If you like, me and perhaps five other fellows are going to be beating the hell out of the system this Tuesday (Maybe tomorrow?) and Saturday, eventually running some sessions of the game. It would be awesome if you could join us.

>>18544812
Like you recognize, creation could have been much easier if it was written better. A step by step that covered all equations would have helped a lot. Listing equipment parts and weapons separate is ok, but everything else for creation needs to stay together so the player can see all his options as hes making his.

thx for the invite. i cant make any promises cuz things are busy on my end here. but good luck

again get that blog going.

>>18544885
Way ahead of you. Sort of.
http://dukefluffyproductions.blogspot.com/

>6 meters tall
Confirmed for being taller than Armored Cores as of ACV.
Anyways, I'll read this tomorrow.

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