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    858 KB What do you know, another metaquest planning thread. Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)02:26 No.18117621  
    Well, guys, next Metaquest is Monday night, so we should probably set up a planning thread so that we aren't fumbling around as much.

    http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Meta%20Quest for anyone who hasn't followed along.

    http://steamcommunity.com/groups/metaquest is our recently made steam group.

    Here is the summary of last quest.
    "Spike and Star-Lord pump bartenders for information, when Fumbles the Auror lives up to his name. Again."
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)02:30 No.18117667
    We're still in the phase of collecting information and infiltration.

    At the end of last thread, we were preparing to send the Ghost of Gondegal to check out the Robodyne HQ.

    There's also a possible plan to have objects tuned to the same phase as Gondegal so that he can carry them through walls.

    Finally, we had a preliminary outline of our strike against MetPharm.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)02:32 No.18117687
    First, we try to get Gondegal some equipment:
    We use our Federation equipment, Engineering Bay, and scientists to pass a tricorder and a trio of transporter beacons through a phase-variance field to phase-shift their quantum frequency to match that of Gondegal, allowing him to go incorporeal with the tricorder and beacons.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)02:34 No.18117695
    That part can be used to have Gondegal infiltrate all three HQ's.

    Specifically for MetPharm, Gondegal finds the Three Jewels and tags them with transporter beacons.

    X-COM NOVA, operating with some clandestine support from X-COM VALKYRIE (our task force), mount an assault on the MetPharm HQ.

    We use the attack to slip a shadowrunner team into the building. They use the floor plan we have and Gondegal's support to hit the Interdiction Field Generator. As soon as the field is down, we beam the Jewels, the runner team, and Gondegal out.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)02:36 No.18117721
    Well, on that idea, if our Psions know anything about item crafting, we can have them enchant some gear with Ghost Touch.

    Ghost Touch: This armor or shield seems almost translucent. Both its enhancement bonus and its armor bonus count against the attacks of incorporeal creatures. It can be picked up, moved, and worn by incorporeal creatures at any time. Incorporeal creatures gain the armor or shield’s enhancement bonus against both corporeal and incorporeal attacks, and they can still pass freely through solid objects.
    Strong transmutation; CL 15th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, etherealness; Price +3 bonus.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)02:41 No.18117759
    >CL 15th
    That right there is the problem.

    Abjurers are still lvl 11 and Psions are lvl 9.

    We could ask the Techno-Wizards and the Gurus about it, but if there's no magical solution available to use, we'll need to depend on Federation technobabble.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)02:46 No.18117804
    We have a Steam group under the name Metaquest. We have about 3 people so far.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)02:46 No.18117807
    For the techno solution to phasing, we should get Data and Egon on it. That's their area of expertise, especially Egon's where it relates to ghosts and ghost-related technology.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)02:57 No.18117910
    At minimum we can craft Ghost Touch weapons. We can then have the Techno Wizards analyse them, and learn how to do the Armor enchant.

    Ghost Touch
    A ghost touch weapon deals damage normally against incorporeal creatures, regardless of its bonus. (An incorporeal creature’s 50% chance to avoid damage does not apply to attacks with ghost touch weapons.) The weapon can be picked up and moved by an incorporeal creature at any time. A manifesting ghost can wield the weapon against corporeal foes. Essentially, a ghost touch weapon counts as either corporeal or incorporeal at any given time, whichever is more beneficial to the wielder.

    Moderate conjuration; CL 9th; Craft Magic Arms and Armor, plane shift; Price +1 bonus.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)06:20 No.18119331
    Maybe, but that still takes times.
    DnD crafting takes time; we need something that can be done in a day at most to stay under the deadline.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)06:55 No.18119536
    Let's talk about immediate plans.
    While Gondegal infiltrates Robodyne, how are we going to identify, approach, and successfully bribe the employees of the three corps?

    We should wait a day before sending Spike and Star-Lord back to the bars we visited, this time with a Psion to read who will be amenable to bribes.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)08:37 No.18120138
    Even though it takes time, it'd still be a good idea to have it ready for next time. If we had thought of arming him before last mission, we may have had this gear already made.

    Even if it's not usable now, it'll be usable the next mission, which is why we should still make the stuff. However, if someone can think of something that will hold us over till it's done, I'm all ears.

    We're on a severe time limit. We have less than a week before this canon breaks.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)09:24 No.18120467
    An immediate solution to equipping Gondegal is to go with the Variable Phased Matter plan, with Data and Egon using the Engineering Bay and the Inde's Federation tech to make the tricorder and transporter beacons phase through matter. We could probably even just use the transporters, combined with the Inde's phasing cloaking device, to make the items out of phase with normal matter.

    As for the time-limit, I agree that it's short, but there were two fights at both bars (even though we extracted the Auror before it became a real fight). It'll probably take a few hours before we can attempt to go in again.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)10:05 No.18120788
    Specifically, we first scan Gondegal to learn his phase variance. We can then use a molecular interphase generator and phase-shift the objects by adjusting the synchronic distortion to match the phase variance of Gondegal.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)11:14 No.18121430
    We can also use Douglas for approaching employees to bribe. He's a former PI, so he can probably get the skeavy look going, and his special ability Grinding Social Links could help us in this endeavor.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)11:42 No.18121702
    Actually, now might be a good time to determine what VP-98's special abilities are.
    They haven't been locked in yet.

    Pure Pazaak: VP-98 is extremely good at bypassing security without setting off a fuss, whether it be nasty guardian beasties with keen senses or an extremely complicated encryption system. VP-98 also has a knack for finding exits.

    You want me to do what?: VP-98 is capable of formulating a solid operating plan to achieve mission objectives, even if given a mission in an unknown world with vague mission parameters.

    Seeker Protocols: Whether it be personnel, artifacts, or legends, this droid can find it and ensure that it gets back to the right people. In addition, VP-98's black box//memory core will eventually find its way back to the command crew, if the droid is lost or otherwise destroyed.

    Durable Chassis: VP-98 is now capable of remaining functional in extremely harsh conditions, and is capable of withstanding all known handheld weapons with only superficial damage. (VP-98 would still be vulnerable to heavy artillery)

    User-friendly Interface: For some reason, people don't find VP-98 very threatening. Maybe it was a service droid in a past life? Perhaps it was designed to not look like a freaky flying spider-droid thing? Whichever the case, VP-98 does not immediately attract suspicion when sighted, and receives a bonus in social interactions with peoples of all shapes and sizes.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)11:52 No.18121825
    >> with a Psion to read who will be amenable to bribes

    If we do this, we'll need to micromanage the Psion. Load him up with the specific spells we'll use, and his gear. If he gets revealed, let's not look intimidating in NOD armor? (maybe just use casual clothes, or a corporate uniform, or probably be disguised in another way). Don't want Clumsy the Auror happening again.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)11:58 No.18121895
    Hey guys, remember the Destroyed Canon entry in the codex?

    Guess what two canons fall under that category?

    Infinite Stratos and Invader Zim.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)12:06 No.18121976
    The Psion has powers that they can use, so they don't have to memorize any.
    As for their gear, the Psions don't have the Nod armor, so we'll need to replicate clothes for them.

    The main question is if any of the Psions are Telepath Discipline. We know that at least 2 are Nomad Discipline because we used those powers. We'll need to ask MetaOP if the any of the others are Telepath Discipline.

    This is the list of powers; make note of requirements that each power has regarding Discipline and level.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)12:24 No.18122178
    Baleful teleport looks good.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)13:44 No.18122967
    Well, that's just a Code 14 Transport.
    Only the Psions that have taken the Nomad Discipline can learn it, and it's still blocked in the presence of a teleport interdiction field, like the ones protecting the Corp HQ's.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)14:49 No.18123645
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    I know that we've mostly been getting engineering, magical research, and science Heroes recently.

    And yet our mission profile for every world we visit is still to sneak in, collect information, neutralize a threat, and sneak out.

    We have a good group of black ops agents, why don't we get one of the best in the business?
    Otto Skorzeny.

    We can get him from the the World War: In the Balance Canon.
    Or from the Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku mahjong Canon if we want a version that's already gone through rejuve treatments.

    Of course, that's if we can handle an unrepentant Nazi on our staff.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)14:59 No.18123737
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)15:06 No.18123805
    We're better off finding the specific way to trigger Hero status in our existing troops.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)15:10 No.18123843
    It's an honest question, and I'll lay out the pros and cons.

    Experienced specops and blackops commando, known as the Most Dangerous Man in Europe due to his exploits. Very good at what he does, and not afraid to accomplish mission objectives through any means necessary.

    His ideals and personal prejudices are likely to bring him into conflict with a number of members of our task force.

    Otto Skorzeny, while a talented commando, is more likely to be a better fit for a TG Black Ops hit team thank our task force.

    We already employ morally and ethically questionable personnel. However, they are all from Canons where their questionable actions are not well-known outside of their Canon or to Meta-Earth residents.
    Otto, however, is a known figure in the pasts of timelines that a number of our personnel come from, and his status in those timelines is well known.
    So, on the basis of how well he would be able to integrate with our task force, I'd have to reject his application.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)15:11 No.18123868
    We'd be better off having Tosh train some Spectres.
    Or, have Data create some stealthy androids.
    Or having some of our FFT characters cross train ninja.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)15:23 No.18123985
    Tosh cannot create more Spectres as they require jorium and terrazine, minerals native to the Starcraft Canon.

    Data could create some kind of stealth android, but the effect could be achieved by equipping HK-50 with Incursion holo-emitters.

    We could train the FFT characters into Ninja, but it would take a while as we also need to train them in the pre-requisite Job classes.

    The skills and abilities that Otto Skorzeny would bring to the table are of planning out special operations, and having on-the-ground leadership to make those plans work, adapting them on the fly to changing circumstances.
    He has a proven track record, and should not be rejected out of hand simply because of his political affiliations.

    I reject him based on the analysis from here >>18123843 which details possible problems with integration with our task force.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)15:38 No.18124164
    You don't need the chemicals to simply send some TG recruits through the training. I'm talking about the "stealthy" part of the training, not the psychic part of the training.

    Also, on the same idea as the holo-emitters, if we were to wrap it around a few probe droids, we'd have the same effect.

    For other suggestions instead of Otto. . .
    Nick Fury
    "M" of MI6
    Kasumi Goto or Thane Krios
    A few rogues with Animorph morphing technology
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)15:38 No.18124167
    I like the stealth android idea the best among all of these.

    Ninja training would be good in the long term. Like Agrias dual-wielding a beam katana and Gurthang.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)16:13 No.18124640
    Well, if we're going to put the TG Soldiers through Spectre training without the jorium and terrazine, it'll still take months to complete.

    Other suggestions:
    Nick Fury is still brought up time and again in the Marvel Canon, so getting him would be difficult.

    "M" of MI6, you would have to specify which M we would be attempting to recruit, and how, considering that they're already the director of a national intelligence agency and coming to work for us would not be that appealing.

    Batman is a major component of many different Canons, and would be very difficult to acquire, and his "No Kill" stance ironically makes him better suited to working for the TSAB rather than the TG.

    Kasumi Goto might work, since she's from a Mass Effect DLC, and several paths could end with her dead. But we'd constantly have to worry when she'll leave and abscond with some of our stuff.

    Same arguments apply to Thane Krios.

    Animorph morphing technology is okay is some cases, but it still has the problem of life-forms being in areas they're not supposed to be if a security sweep picks them up.

    Currently Tosh, and to a lesser extent Star-Lord, are our only field commanders for special operations. Nick is the only one out of the listed personnel who could equal Otto Skorzeny as a field commander.
    M is more of an operations director than someone who leads in the field.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)16:28 No.18124857
    I still think we shouldn't waste our requisitions slots like that. We should work on the FFT ninja stuff and the stealth androids instead.

    Also, given the current situation of TG, we actually have more freedom now. We can do our own requisitions IF and IF we all just agree to get the TG looter team (or two).

    1.High Command can't be assed anymore to bother with us. Civil War time.

    2. We can dress up as space pirates and loot shipper and hedonist vessels for stuff.

    3. Get a list of canon coordinates and use them. Go back to previously cleared canons to loot and farm stuff.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)16:28 No.18124860
    Alright, getting back to the task at hand.

    Next insertion pair is going to be Douglas and a Psion (preferably a Telepath), with an Auror using a charm to make their Nod armor look like a regular set of clothes as backup in case something goes wrong.

    They hit up the two bars we visited, and start looking for people having money problems, or just greedy people, and make them an offer.
    Doug does the talking, the Psion does the mental screening to identify marks and make sure they're not going to double-cross us, and the Auror is there in case we need to Obliviate anyone as well as to provide magical backup in case another fight breaks out.

    That basic outline work for everyone?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)16:30 No.18124891
    Any specific Psion spells that we can draw up from the list?

    ....Also, there's a whole bunch of people who just outright ignore the planning threads and just go full retard on our reqs and tactics.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)16:42 No.18125057
    Mindprobe comes to mind.
    Perhaps including a simple sleep charm from the Auror to get a subject to fall asleep so they are easier to probe.

    Problem will be that Mindprobe has auditory and visual cues.

    Read Thoughts is going to be the go-to spell, though, because it doesn't have visual cues and can be good enough for our purposes.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)17:38 No.18125670
    So the Psion will use Read Thoughts on people to see who's worried about money, and Doug will chat them up about a possible financial windfall.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/27/12(Mon)18:42 No.18126347
    TG Quest will be delayed (shocker) because I've been roped into helping at a cancer charity at the last second.

    It'll probably be around 9.
    >> Rynex !3KCroq6wAA 02/27/12(Mon)19:44 No.18127145
    I'm waiting at #/tg/ on irc.rizon.net if anyone wants to talk about more TG stuff there.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:01 No.18128140
    I still say that SIM could be very useful to us.
    Like if we can manage to just borrow his abilities, the city is literally ours.
    Hell, even the Pipes will be able to be navigated, allowing us to better evade the opposition and uncover secret passages.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:03 No.18128161
    ...The only problem I see is that, for whatever reason, neither Wily nor Robotnik have upstaged SIM despite the huge advantage it would give them.
    And I doubt it's just because they forgot about him...
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)21:09 No.18128238
    Argh. My knowledges seem to have evaporated.
    I must attempt to reclaim my knowledges.
    >> Rynex !3KCroq6wAA 02/27/12(Mon)21:14 No.18128301
    Anyone else want to join the Steam group, or would an irc channel be better to round up people?
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)21:15 No.18128313
    I know the players had 15 suggestions for where to go on the beer run, but damn it I can only remember 13 of them.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/27/12(Mon)21:15 No.18128325
    Shit guys, I'm not ready yet.

    I'll post the thread at some point tonight, but it will primarily be the Massive Recap, and some writefaggotry to make up for my schedule of chaos. Actual questing will be tomorrow at 7.

    It really is bugging me how these things keep happening, but there's not a whole lot I can do. Again, you have my apologies.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:20 No.18128375
    It's cool dude.
    I'm glad to see more of that writefaggotry, since we only saw that 'deadliest engineer' thing.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)21:22 No.18128391
    Right. So, for the Beer run, people want to run:

    APB Reloaded
    Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
    GTA Vice City
    Puzzle Pirates
    Saints Row 1
    The Simpsons
    The Witcher 1

    Specific places in settings:
    Bugman's Brewery (Warhammer Fantasy)
    Dragoneyes (Eberron)
    Harbor District of Khorinis (Gothic II)
    Milliways (H2G2)
    The Wall Market (FF VII)
    The Hive (Planescape: Torment)

    And someone wanted Parodius but I can't find any trace of smokes, drugs and booze in that setting.

    I've managed to write some crap about the function of Meta drives, and the bullshit that is Wayrf. I'd post it but meh, still on a weeklong hiatus.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:22 No.18128396
    Ever since that whole 'Silent Hill' thing, I've been entertaining the notion of recruiting the rest of Spike's crew.
    The only problem is, are Faye and Jet that good at anything?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:23 No.18128400
    How do you guys manage to not miss sessions?
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)21:24 No.18128418
    Ask op when next thread is.
    Show up then.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:24 No.18128423
    >>not miss sessions

    1. lurkmoar
    2. Ask around
    3. Get in touch
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:24 No.18128425
    Also, suptg is slow as all fuck and not loading.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:25 No.18128437
    1. Doesn't work
    2. 3. No friends
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:26 No.18128444
    Join Steam group, or set up an IRC channel for us.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)21:28 No.18128458
    We have a steam group now?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:28 No.18128459
    1. Not with my account
    2. I hate IRC
    Can't just have the threads at preset hours, and no threads outside those hours?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:29 No.18128469
    Do you realize that MetaOP puts the next session day and time at the end of each session?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:29 No.18128474
    Doesn't work if a session is missed or cancelled.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/27/12(Mon)21:40 No.18128584
    Speaking of writefaggotry, I finally manage to catch a Metaquest thread again so i can ask you guys.

    How long is the text field here on /tg/? I can't seem to find anything about the actual character limit or such anywhere. I don't want to write stuff so I can live up more to the 'Writefag' part of my name, then have 4chan go "LOL FIELD TOO LONG FAGGOT" and I end up having to butcher the flow of sections by trying to determine blindly how the board has it's shit set up.

    I suppose once I get that set up I should take suggestions and stuff for what to write... As long as MetaOP and Bootleg OP are fine with letting me play in a little corner of the sandbox!
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)21:41 No.18128591
    2000 characters, right?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:43 No.18128612
    The sessions are up on suptg, where you can check them.
    If suptg is ever down, there's still the foolz archive.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)21:46 No.18128641
    Fireman Prime and Metaquest OP outrank me. If it's all right with them, it's all right with me.

    What type of stuff are you planning to write about? For instance, I mostly Asperg over the mechanical details - how big the meta is, how x works, where y comes from, why isn't there z, etc.

    E.g. in my vision of the setting, the Meta is a really fucking huge place and it's full of crossovers and S.U.E.s, but to combat its fucking hugeness, we have a fucking huge team of Editors. The Meta is divided into Sectors.
    We also have Scouts, that scout out unexplored regions of the meta, or run regular partrols on known regions of the meta.
    Also we have a Requisitions team, which is itself fucking huge.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)21:47 No.18128650
    Oh, will we get to see an episode of Deadliest Scientist, now that we have a good number of scientists on-staff?

    Maybe something involving the Techno-Wizards, our order to them to create PPE batteries for the White Mages, and the various misadventures as they interpret those orders as a lingerie order.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)21:56 No.18128768
    I still have no answer as to why the Guard doesn't just use chronospheres/time travel and cloning tech to make trillions of everything and send it back in time to abort whatever bullshit happens.
    My current explanation is "A Wizard prevented it".

    I'm currently futzing with the idea of Meta-Tourism, and exactly in what ways a selfish person can cause Canon fuckery.
    E.g. You can dick with canon-important people and items.
    You can import technology or magic into the setting, thus changing it.
    You can reveal the existence of the Meta, thus causing the canon to spend a large amount of time trying to scrap together a Meta Transit Drive.
    Or you could make the place Meta-capable by giving people a means of transiting the Meta.

    The third, I think, would be incredibly common. If there are S.U.E.s, meta-capable factions, and crossovers absolutely everywhere, then it's likely any random canon will have been subjected to at least 5 instances of these things.
    And, if people are crossovering backwards and forwards, that would mean that rumors could transit the Meta. The main one? That there is a Meta to begin with.

    So if the Meta is, by and large, Meta-aware, that causes complications, since making an entire canon UN-learn something is too costly to do on such a large scale.
    What does it mean to be Meta-aware?
    Firstly, everyone knows that there are many stories. Being Meta-aware means you know it's possible to send items back and forth between them.
    Secondly, you know you're not the center of everything. That will cause problems in many canons.
    Thirdly, you know of things out there that are powerful enough to eat you, and they are not always friendly.

    Those should cause problems.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/27/12(Mon)21:59 No.18128798
    I was thinking of mainly following a small Editor scout/long range recon team with my stuff; maybe some freelancing snippets and the like to help fill out the Codex.

    This team I have envisioned in my head is basically the group with the kind of awesome crazy you send out on long-range patrol to watch some of the further-flung Canons and Fanons and Stable Crossovers and do some on-site preventative Editing, perhaps even relaying coordinates for larger or more specialized groups to come deal with stuff (like a Sector Fleet.)

    Encounters with Shippers/Hedonists/Fixer SUEs/ other craziness would ensue. It'd be kind of a mostly-serious thing; more personal than a Sector Fleet while still giving enough of a scope to show how small groups would approach a situation, as they'd lack the heavy guns of a Fleet or the hopeless outgunned-ness of the Scouts.

    >CANON ecdyD

    Yes, captcha; I'd see if I can work it in... No promises!
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)22:00 No.18128807
    The easiest way to resolve those problems is to say "Well, people aren't Meta Aware".
    But the question then is HOW are they not Meta Aware, when Crossovers spam the meta, meta-capable factions make yearly visits to the canons, and S.U.E.s and Tourists tend to blab about the damn meta everywhere they go.

    I shall now once again say "A Wizard prevented it", and there's a mystical Plothole force in the meta that prevents the majority of people from being Meta Aware, despite all this bullshit constantly happening.
    If anyone has a better idea, I'd like to hear it. I hate plotholes and resorting to Wizards preventing everything.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)22:04 No.18128864
    Due to the temporal nature of the atoms in these devices, when you clone them in some manner, the new atoms are completely normal making the device unusable and worthless.

    There is only so much mass in a canon. We have discovered (via accident) that when you clone something a trillion times, it has a nasty habit of making the universe hate you. Any of those gate clones/time paradox duplicates are extremely unlucky. Normal clones, however, have the issue of muscle deterioration and mental instability. For some unknown reason, we believe this has to do with the problem of cloning souls as well. More testing is needed.

    Bootleg, would those work?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:06 No.18128879
    How about just make it so each canon has a limited auto-repair function? Like once the crossover elements or the SUE is removed, it quickly becomes erased from history. In essence, it 'unhappens'.
    Minor breaches are unhappened almost immediately after the foreign elements leave.
    Of course, it's unwise to visit too often else the 'immune system' is weakened.
    And forming unstable time loops with Chronospheres often splits the timeline of the canon and weakens the meta as a whole, which is why they are used very sparingly.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)22:07 No.18128887
    Rubber band principle? Each canon will try to correct errors on it's own, by changing small things to work. If you pull it a little, it goes back to normal. If you pull it alot, it breaks and needs to be repaired.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)22:08 No.18128902
    So, wizards are responsible for:
    #1. Guard doesn't have unlimited resources, despite its access to cloning and time travel
    #2. Despite the frequency of meta fuckups and the amount of factions with meta knowledge, knowledge that the Meta exists is quite rare inside the canons.
    #3. Nobody's strapped a Von Neumann grey goo type thing to a meta drive (yet?).

    There's also the chicken-and-egg thing. The Guard got knowledge of draining the essence of a canon from someone, and also learned enough of the Meta to reliably transit it from someone.
    Who was that someone?
    And where did THEY learn it?

    You can learn of the Meta, and build a Meta transit drive, without essence of plothole. There are many ways to transit the Meta. It's likely that Meta-Earth was attacked by someone using old technology, and we used the old technology to FIND the creativity drainer from some crazy motherfucker in some random canon.

    But if you can FIND those things, why aren't the TSAB fielding Reality Emitters & Essence of Magic against us?
    Why don't the Firemen or the Closers or Hyper-Carthage have Grimdark Emitters?
    ... Maybe they do ...
    ... maybe they do ...
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)22:11 No.18128938
    And if that's the case, then it's likely that factions more Evil than us are deliberately sacking canons to drain all their essence to fuel their own Rewriter Bomb-type things.
    Where are these Evil factions?
    Perhaps pretty much everyone in the Meta said "No, fuck your shit, you die now" and dogpiled them. That would work.
    That would mean the Meta hates draining the essence of a canon.
    Is that why Black Ops keeps it so secret? Because we'd be zerg rushed if found out?

    Many questions.

    Thank you for your input. :)
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:11 No.18128947
    It was established in the original setting creation threads that Canons have a limited auto-correction force.
    People will forget things and SUE's once they are gone. As long as a plausible explanation exists for a given thing, the explanation which fits the Canon is the one that the Canon Natives will accept more readily than anything concerning the Meta.

    As for Chronospheres, they only work within a given Canon's timeline. The reason why they don't work as well is because of the Many Worlds interpretation of Meta-Quantum Theory, which allows for a divergent timeline to emerge once time travel is involved. Except in cases where the timeline has reached the limit of divergence, when you go back in time, you create a divergent timeline and that's what you change, not the one the needs to be fixed.
    That's why Rewriter Bombs are used.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:12 No.18128959
    ...You know that the Firemen aren't just 'team evil' right?
    They're the ones who want to burn the meta down rather than see it be misused. Like even pretty good fanfiction offends them.
    They want a dead meta where everything stays as it was published.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:15 No.18129003
    Here's what I'm curious about, are Canons the size of the entire planet?
    Like does a canon based on... Kung Fu Panda, for example, have a Europe and Africa and such, even though those locations haven't and likely never will be seen in the films, cartoons, or books?
    >> Potential Writefag 02/27/12(Mon)22:16 No.18129013
    I think the explanation for the lack of Chronoshpere spam would be due to temporal fugue, recursion, the Grandfather Paradox, the Butterfly Effect, or more likely a combination of multiples of the aforementioned.

    Meta-Tourism is something that I could see happening IF you were careful about it. There are any number of beautiful places all over the setting that people would love to see and experience and would be perfectly safe to do so IF they followed guidelines. Like "THE META DOES NOT EXIST. YOU ARE SILLY CRAZY PERSON HA HA HA". It'd probably be an involved process to get cleared for it, but no more burdensome than modern-day airline security. Just arrive a bit early so you can get scanned and sorted out before you go, and have a nice trip! But like you said, there's serious potential for contamination, so I'd assume anyone who Meta-Tourist'd would have to have a tracking device or something implanted or worn or something.

    I personally see Meta-Awareness as a learned understanding that the Parallel Worlds theory is true, and you can view it as a mix between an interconnected web (canon stability, and paths for possible connections for natural Crossovers spinning into their own Fanons) and a wind-chime (all these Parallel Worlds are linked to a single point that can access them all, conveniently referred to as "The Meta".).
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:16 No.18129018
    Each Canon is an entire universe.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/27/12(Mon)22:17 No.18129029
    Worlds with multiple planes would have inhabitants that could grasp the simple parts of this concept quickly enough, but are more likely to be less technologically capable of exploiting it leading to being able to just smear campaign them into crackpot obscurity. Worlds that are more technologically advanced would have a harder time wrapping their heads around the concept because "Our science disproves the Parallel World Theory. Ha ha ha ha!"

    It is when these checks and balances are violated that a non-Meta individual, group, or Canon can become Meta-Aware.

    Oh, and not counting this part, the whole of last post and this one was less than 2000 characters.. And it 'field too long'd me.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)22:17 No.18129034
    >Chronospheres cannot be produced, except in Red Alert canons, and are thus limited
    Understood. That makes sense.

    >Cloning has to TAKE from something. You don't just make a new soul and person, you have to yank their form from somewhere, and that Somewhere would like its stuff back.
    Understood. That makes sense.

    >Canons autofix to a small degree. Large fuckups still require our input
    Understood. That makes sense.

    >Chronospheres can branch or loop a canon, leading to Meta instability
    Understood. That makes sense. Wonder if other technology can do that, too, and not just time travel.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:19 No.18129055
    Here's a question, why is it that being officially published grants Canon offshoots legitimacy?
    Like I'm pretty sure Wicked is a valid Canon that branched off from Oz and even has a minor offshoot of its own (the musical).
    What makes it so different from fanfic?
    Is it that it's much better written than the vast majority of fanfiction?
    Or does somehow a work being legitimately sold for profit grant validity?
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)22:24 No.18129107
    I see a lot of possibility for there being "Hub" worlds. Worlds where the canon is over, or where the canon is meta-aware by default, or where the entire canon doesn't give two shits about branching into the Meta.

    These places are a hotspot for Tourism.
    The major meta-capable factions would like to keep them a "Neutral Zone", but there have been arguments. For example, the Guard wants to extradite smugglers, but the other factions don't want the Guard going in and arresting people based on the Guard's own laws. Attempts to make some sort of "Intermeta law" have backfired and often resulted in fistfights breaking out in the assembly room.

    Maybe each Hub has its own set of laws, based on whichever faction has the greatest control of it?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:27 No.18129154
    Actually that reminds me, does TG or other factions have legitimate authority over Canons whose stories are over?
    Like after the book or movie or game ends, and there's no sequel in sight, who's to say that an army from another dimension doesn't steal everything of value?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:29 No.18129169
    One explanation that was given is that publishing creates more awareness of a given Canon, which stabilizes it.
    You would have to check with the people still actively working on the Codex.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)22:31 No.18129189
    I've asked that myself, and my only answer is "It would take a wiser man than me to understand it".

    Also, found a relatively easy way to explain why there are no meta-capable Von Neumann grey goos, why there aren't any Rapid Megadraining Ultracrumplers, and in general why nobody's turned the Meta to ashes with exponential expansion or doomsday weapons yet:

    Every time you try, pretty much everyone with the power to stop you comes up, says "No", and you die.
    There are MANY extremely powerful canon-native things that are perfectly happy chilling out in their own house, but if you somehow built a Fuck-the-meta machine, they will get pissed off at you and kill you.
    That, and every meta faction that quite likes having the worlds in which they exist continue existing.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:32 No.18129198
    Those would be Completed Works. They fall under the jurisdiction of whoever controls that sector.
    If the stealing is done after the Work is Finished, then it depends on if it creates reality distortions or not.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/27/12(Mon)22:36 No.18129219
    ..I can see that working. They'd serve kind of like freeports, and would be delicious places to set up a campaign in whatever system using this setting as a basis. So much potential for political intrigue, fisticuffs, firefights, information gathering...

    The Hedonists would probably be a major player in this. After all Meta-Tourism would greatly appeal to them as they could indulge their vices more readily than they could in MetaEarth proper. Slave trade, every kind of depraved act you can imagine.. It'd be a dream come true for them especially if they have access to Meta-capable vessels/transport. Which, I think, is where the Shippers and other factions that want to make some DOSH would come in serving as couriers and bodyguards and stuff.

    ..I suddenly got a mental image of Commorragh or something of similar setup being the perfect look for a Hedonist-controlled Hub World. Maybe not quite the Dark Eldar dickery levels of shit, but it'd be up there...
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)22:37 No.18129236
    I assume the Guard doesn't do that, because if they start riding the exponential so overtly, they become everyone's #1 target.
    I mean, we COULD go to every canon that says "On Earth, x happened, and nobody watched anything outside our solar system", and colonise the entire goddamn universe in all of its billions of billions of worlds.

    Another reason we don't do that, is because we're NOT conquerers, we're stability agents, so we don't really NEED a billion billion billion worlds' worth of resources.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)22:38 No.18129237
    On the Von Neumann grey goos. . .

    There was one. Only one. It destroyed that sector of the canon and still, today, nothing new comes from that corner. We had used everything in our power to prevent it from spreading. Fortunately for us, it required a large amount of time. Time we used for research. To prevent it's spread, we devised a way to removed canons before it could get to them. To fight back, we used those canons we removed to make bombs. It cost many lives, and thousands of destroyed canons, but we beat it back and killed it.

    We must never let such a creature be born again.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)22:43 No.18129286
    True. The Guard would do fuck all to stop them since as long as a slave isn't canon important, shit's A-ok, and the TSAB would want to go in and start robusting perverts, but the Guard would oppose it.

    Remember: It matters not whether something is evil or good, it matters whether it fucks with the Meta.

    There are three ways the Hedonists/Shippers can fuck with the meta:
    A. By interacting with important canon items and characters, kidnapping/hurting/pestering them.
    B. By housing Smugglers, S.U.E.s, and those who wish to enact destructive fetishes upon other worlds. Even if said people aren't actively causing harm at the time, they likely will in future.
    And there's a 3rd reason why the Guard would attack them:
    C. Even if it doesn't violate the canon, forcing your fetishes upon other people (whether physically via rape, literally by giving them the fetish via magic, or just by spamming and being obnoxious) ain't cool bro.

    However, ordinary people (i.e. not Canon-important, not S.U.E.s) sharing their interests with other ordinary people is perfectly fine.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/27/12(Mon)22:45 No.18129302
    My explanation for why you don't use X supercool gamebreaking device to break the game is because the laws of physics are subtly different in many Canons. A Chronosphere might work fine in Red Alert, but try it in the World of Darkness and watch people laugh as the machine rips itself apart. A supertech nanogoo manufacturer may work fine in a cluster of say, 20 canons with similar makeups, but try to field it on Krynn and the complex technologies involved in the nanotech suddenly cascade-react into dust.

    I wish I could say more, but I think it'd give you too much of a clue to one of the plot points that will be coming up. The in-game explanation is that the more advanced, either magical or scientific, a thing is, the more limited the number of Canons that can accept it.

    But I'm glad to see you've been wondering on these things. Many mysteries are intentional. All questions answered in time.

    ...and if my plot-linked explanations end up sucking, my apologies in advance.

    Anyway, back to writing.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/27/12(Mon)22:45 No.18129305
    On the subject of colonizing other worlds, would MetaEarth have branched out into their own universe using their access to the best techniques for stuff like colony creation, FLT travel, terraforming, and such? Maybe fielding a few Dead Space Planet Crackers to harvest some of it's own massive universe of resources to fuel itself...

    Because there's no way one planet is going to supply the whole of the Guard/Institute, since the mandate for not taking things or amounts of things that can disrupt a Canon is one of the primary goals of the Editors.

    Those could also serve as Meta-side Hub Worlds.. Or giant Renaissance Fairs or Cosplay playgrounds or such. And yeah, I am kinda channeling that one setting /tg/ made talking about the cosplay one there.. IT'S ALL CONNECTED, RECURSION, etc. Hehehe.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)22:47 No.18129328
    That means that certain canons - e.g. Gor, Drowtales, Felarya, FATAL, etc. - are actually under the Guard's protection, and you can be as much of a Hedonist as you want.
    Shit's only bad when you start bringing your bullshit into other canons.

    THAT, I think, is why we haven't just nuked Second Life and other Hedonist bases yet. Its canon is perfectly fine with the fetish stuff, so we DON'T attack the whole thing, just keep it contained and stop it spreading.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)22:48 No.18129336
    Do you know what I get out of that?

    "You're going to go to a high-magic world, try to build something, and your tech is going to rip itself apart."

    Well, that or. . .
    "You're going to go to a high-tech world, and your magic won't work anymore"
    >> qnqn­x !CylYBJT.Sw 02/27/12(Mon)22:50 No.18129356
    So, some canons are more like containment vessels. lets call then "containment canons".
    I wonder if anything good can be made out of those, resource speaking.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:52 No.18129385
    So, the "magic versus technology" part of Arcanum is something way more widespread than I thought of.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/27/12(Mon)22:54 No.18129411

    Not necessarily true, though a rule of thumb some scouts use.

    Reality Emitters smooth over most of those problems, another handy side effect of the devices.

    You don't need to worry about it though. Sectors are grouped by makeup. Everything on the map can coexist with each other.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)22:55 No.18129418
    In my opinion, Transpace Guard is in possession of 10 million worlds, easily. Probably an order of magnitude or two more. We're STILL only 0.01% of the meta (Not 1%, 0.01%).

    Most of those are handled by Requisitions-Farming or Logistics.

    There's also Recruiting, which isn't handled by Requisitions (I think Recruiting falls under Scouting afaik), where the Guard just sets up an outpost on a world and waits for people to come up and get paid to fight enemies across the meta.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:56 No.18129426
    >>The in-game explanation is that the more advanced, either magical or scientific, a thing is, the more limited the number of Canons that can accept it.

    Infinite Stratos, Starcraft: Ghost Academy and Invader Zim are under "Destroyed Canon" status.

    Somewhere out there, some bastard is running around with shitloads of Irken tech.

    On a side note, I am guessing the Hedonists are the source of Nu-Chaos. A Meta-Slaanesh, perhaps? Maybe the depraved gods from Legends of Belial?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)22:58 No.18129450
    On a side note, what the fuck do we do now with the IDPKB (Interdimensional Peacekeeping Bureau) in play as the neutral party between the TG and TSAB?

    (with them having a cooperative treaty with the TG)

    Also, we DO have a Steam group. The OP post has the information on how to join.
    >> Rynex !3KCroq6wAA 02/27/12(Mon)23:02 No.18129500
    I'm interested in exploring the un-jurisdicted sectors of Metaspace. I'm also the one advocating the "dress up as space pirates, loot Hedonist and Shipper vessels" when Requisitions blacks out in the main quest.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)23:02 No.18129510
    >Everything on our map can coexist with each other.

    What does that say about the stuff we requisitioned? Although, considering we're in the RPG sector, we're damn lucky. Most of our Tech and Magic should work, due to RPGs being saturated with both.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)23:03 No.18129526
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    So between the 10 million worlds we own, the billion that we have small bases, recruiting offices, or scouting outposts on, and everything the ~million or so Looting teams dredge up, we have resources.
    Not enough to completely lock down the entire meta, but enough that we CAN reliably fight off threats.

    Here's my take on Meta transit drives:
    When hopping between Canons using one of these, it will put you in a place 'most similar' to where you are when you used it.
    e.g. if you use it when you're in an aircraft, you end up in the air.
    if you use it in a spaceship, you end up in space.
    if you use it in a city, you end up in a populated area.
    if you use it underground, you end up in a cave or a mine.
    Stuff like that.
    If the Canon you're jumping to lacks one of these things (e.g. no populated areas, or no space), it'll just fling you into the closest equivalent.

    However, if you jump to the Void Between Worlds, then you are in for some shit.
    Try to jump to a place where there is no canon to jump into? You don't end up in the hard vaccuum of space. You end up in NOTHING. A place where the laws of physics don't exist, so all those nifty things holding your space ship together just went oopsie and you un-happened.
    This is why we don't make a jump when someone's jamming our Meta transit drives, and why spooling the drives too often is a bad idea.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:04 No.18129538
    How is that possible?
    I mean if terrible fanfiction for Invader Zim is still being made, then logically it can't be dead can it?
    Isn't that a sign that a Canon is still alive, that there are outgrowths of fanon and 'what-ifs'?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:07 No.18129575
    As long as we don't stumble into IDPKB territory, we should be fine.

    They're the Switzerland to our TG-USA and TSAB-USSR.
    >> Rynex !3KCroq6wAA 02/27/12(Mon)23:07 No.18129578
    Currently in a group discussion on Steam as well, pertaining to tangentially-related matters that this thread will collapse from.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)23:09 No.18129587
    The main canon hit a dead end. There was nothing in the series on what happens in the future and it was canceled.

    Everything after that point is considered "abandoned" and is up for grabs for looters.

    Fan fictions don't count.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)23:10 No.18129612
    Mapping the Canon is a tricky process. There are more directions you can move in than your standard Up/down/left/right/forward/back. In fact, as far as we can tell, there is no set number of dimensions.
    Also, going West then North, gets you to a completely different place than going North then West.
    The only real constant is that if you backtrack your steps - exactly - you end up where you started from, and that the LEAST DISTANCE between the centers of two canons is the same regardless of your reference point.
    Mapping a truly arbitrary set of directions, distances, and nodes is a mindfuck for any human - but Computers can handle abstract mathematical concepts and node graphs easily.
    That is how they can very quickly navigate from one point in the meta to another, and how it's quite difficult to get lost as long as you're in a mapped area.

    Mapping new areas is somewhat tricky. The issue is, you don't know exactly WHERE a canon may be. You just send out a spam of meta probes, with "Retrace your steps and jump back to me" instructions, and if they survive, then you found a canon. Might be a new path to an existing canon, might be a whole new canon! Yay!

    Research is underway into some means of "Viewing" the meta, so you can "See" nearby canons, but has not yet bore fruit.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:12 No.18129629
    From how MetaOP is wording things, it seems Invader ZIM is in the "will break in other canons" range. Although judging from things, they are well below the Culture and The Forerunners, but dangerously close to or somewhat above BLAME!
    >> Fireman Prime 02/27/12(Mon)23:15 No.18129660
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    Joined. Damn, it's been a while since I touched the Quest due to shouting/cussing/too-much-difficulty-for-one-mere-man. Might have to pick it up again after this.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)23:15 No.18129663
    Yeah, that was banned a while ago.

    Hey, MetaOp. By any chance would the "Darkness Beyond Time" we went to just the place where echos in Chrono Trigger went, or is it the over arching one where all dead timelines end up?

    Also, if we were to find a way back, would anyone take offense to us looting the hell out of it?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:16 No.18129678
    Remember Ryukishi07's works (Higurashi/Umineko)? There's always this strange "World of fragments" present which is the equivalent of a viewing gallery of timelines. Sort of like the gallery of paintings in Mario 64, but also not quite.

    There's a select few who can enter that sort of viewing-world it seems.

    The other issue I want to bring up is "More looting in the Darkness Beyond Time". Whether regards to legality/safety whatever.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/27/12(Mon)23:19 No.18129719
    Chrono Trigger.

    I was wondering why you weren't around.

    I guess this is also a good time to ask about feedback? Aside from my shitty schedule, which I SWEAR I am trying to fix, what else can I do to make this quest better?
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)23:20 No.18129730
    This means that the Meta can never be 'entirely mapped'. There's always the possibility that in the infinite amount of paths you haven't taken, someone stuck a canon in one of them.

    Fortunately, the user interface for Meta transit drives is easy.
    You can put "Essence of Plothole" on any navigation equipment - even a human eye or human hand - and then the navigation equipment gets a Meta option.
    Typically, Meta drives use a text parser on a computer, because text parsers can handle more directions than up/down/left/right/back/forward easily. Just invent new words for each direction.
    Then you plug in, say, "12 north, 7 left, 3 counterclockwise, 2 dennis, 9 anti-skub", and off you go.
    Though, some crazy motherfuckers like to put essence of plothole directly into their MINDS, and just MEMORISE the shape of the meta.
    The human mind is NOT the best tool at memorising maps. Most of these insane motherfuckers are presumed lost. But there are some out there - guides and pathfinders - that can navigate through the meta by thinking about where they need to go and how to get there.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)23:22 No.18129757
    >Aside from my shitty schedule, which I SWEAR I am trying to fix, what else can I do to make this quest better?
    Post faster!
    More writefagging!
    Rock music!
    Additional Pylons!

    I think that's it.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:24 No.18129776
    >Research is underway into some means of "Viewing" the meta, so you can "See" nearby canons, but has not yet bore fruit.
    Wouldn't that be the MetaScry technology that the old UN Bureau of Postplanar Investigations had?
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)23:26 No.18129790
    Ah, something not in the Editors Notes v3.0?
    Tell me more about it! If there is a way to look to see "What canons are near me?" then that'd certainly change my writefagging.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:26 No.18129793
    Furude Rika and Hanyuu would be a hot target for this ability.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:27 No.18129801
    If you get enough consensus to start an action, put up a post saying that writing has started. With the amount of discussion that occurs in this quest, I think it would help if people knew when you start writing.

    Little vignettes of life in the Sector Task Force would be nice, especially if we have a few days of down-time.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:28 No.18129809
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    In between Rika's incarnations, she returns to this plane where she sees a viewing gallery of timelines.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:31 No.18129838
    The Editors: Codex.
    Timeline shows that in the 2020's MetaScry technology was developed. By the 2030's, MetaScry technology had allowed the United Nations Bureau of Postplanar Investigations to secretly view and copy technologies and design schematics from Canons.

    So the technology to surreptitiously peer into Canons has existed.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:32 No.18129868
    I'd like to see some character interaction.
    Like thanks to the power of the internet, it's not difficult to get a handle on pretty much any of our heroes personality wise, although I understand it would be a pretty big timesink.
    Also regarding our forces... in general maybe have them willing to offer suggestions/advice more often? Like it doesn't even have to be always correct, but we shouldn't need to order Tosh to use that psionic shielding or whatever, he should have the sense to do it on his own.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)23:34 No.18129889
    Neato. Does it allow you to peer around the Meta and see if there's a Canon at X or a Canon at Y?
    Or, can it, say, "Scry the nth nearest Canon to me, and tell me its location relative to me"?
    If so, then THAT's used instead of sending out thousands of probes.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:34 No.18129890
    Nothing comes to mind. You're doing good.

    Oh, and MOAR HEROES.

    Perhaps some more writefaggotry? Obviously, full threads are preferably but deadliest scientist was pure gold.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)23:42 No.18129979
    I try not to do that in my side of things because I'm worried that if I auto a character's actions, that's just me playing with myself, not the players playing the game.

    It's why I give you y/ns on "Obviously y" choices, and ask if you're changing your usual tactics repeatedly.

    I'll allow the players to opt to Hire a tactical minded person, let him figure it out, roll the dice until we reach the end. But it's not my favored option. It's also why I try to railroad the players into taking less forces than they could; anything where there is no challenge and you're simply attackmoving from loot box to loot box is boring.

    It's ALSO why I throw random NPC interaction at the players, even though they have perfectly capable talkers with them, to give the players a chance to say their stuff.

    If you want to Cheese the everliving fuck out of it, you can hire a diplomat, a tactician, and a hero reknowned for creativity and intuition, say "Right, you 3, do everything for us. We'll speak up if we have input", then watch as I auto a thread.
    But if you do that, I WILL rename the quest to Call of Looty: Meta Warfare.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:43 No.18129989
    The MetaScry technology as described is several decades old.
    It was enough to allow for the BPI to construct macro-fabricators to build its bases in the Meta (or it could be a typo).
    So that implies the ability to find the coordinates of Canons near the MetaScry origin point.
    The prevalence and need for Scouts could imply that the MetaScry technology has a limited range, and given that it required the LHC to first penetrate the Meta, that the power requirements and infrastructure needed makes using Scouts with Meta Transit Drives to be a more cost-effective solution.

    For further information you'll need to contact the people actively working on the setting and Codex.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/27/12(Mon)23:44 No.18129998
    Normally I do...

    ...but in this case, I honestly forgot Tosh could do that. Which is doubly annoying because he's one of my favorite units in SC2, and I've played New Folsom at least 12 times.

    That being said, I'll try to up the "AI" of your units more.

    My only real problem with writefagging is the time-sink. I have a long list of shorts and scenes I've been meaning to write, but simply have had difficulty finding the time to complete up to my standards while also managing the quest proper.

    If people want me to, I can re-allocate a bit more time to writing from quest-managing. Say, 25%?

    Or I can do what I'm going to do tonight, dedicate a thread to writefaggotry instead of questing.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)23:45 No.18130007
    Ignore the shit about sending out probes
    Scout crafts just Meta-scry the nearest canons, then pop over to see what canon it is.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/27/12(Mon)23:46 No.18130018
    On a side note, I take a week off and suddenly every other quest is doing crossovers.

    Was I fulfilling a quota or something without my knowledge?
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)23:47 No.18130030
    You can't just "allocate" time.
    You need to make a nifty column graph!
    And put it in a random screenshot with 8-bit LEDs around it.
    And put little up-down arrows on each of the bars in the column graph.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/27/12(Mon)23:49 No.18130065
    I'm takin' a week off, too. Maybe more. Not that many people have an interest in this quest, I think they're all playing Strike Witches and that weeaboo butler quest I completely avoided owing to it being a weeabomination.
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:50 No.18130075
    Considering the late time already, just a writefagging thread for tonight is fight.

    If you need more time to get things ready, then by all means make the quest weekly if you need to. Zerg Quest has had a weekly schedule and they're fine.

    The Mahou Shounen Quest guy is just crazy, and has bros in IT so he can run his quest during work hours, so he gets away with running it constantly.

    As for all of the crossovers, well, it's only just Bootleg and Mahou Shounen Quests.
    I think it's more about your quest increasing awareness of the setting, and people realizing how much zanyness/grim darkness they can get out of it.
    >> Codeki 02/27/12(Mon)23:58 No.18130135
    Oh, and any info on our Research?
    Is it just chugging along still?
    >> Anonymous 02/27/12(Mon)23:59 No.18130148
    But Meta and Bootleg are the only quests I follow here. And I think I'm not the only one.
    That said, not having quest threads every day is a good thing. Some days I just want to sleep.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/28/12(Tue)00:01 No.18130173
    Then it sounds like I'd be better served turning it from every other day to bi-weekly. Don't want to burn people out on it.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/28/12(Tue)00:02 No.18130174
    Naw, I'm taking a break to watch playthroughs of the Witcher, re-listen to H2G2, read up on Elona (which I'm doing now).
    There aren't many people interested in my quest, which is understandable since I'm probably not a very good DM.

    I have ... what, 4 active players? That's really not very many, and it's probably not worth running quests with that few.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)00:04 No.18130197
    Bi-weekly? Once every two weeks? That's a little long between sessions, isn't it?
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/28/12(Tue)00:06 No.18130209
    I thought it meant twice a week?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)00:08 No.18130229
    Bi-weekly is a strange word; it can either mean once every two weeks OR twice a week.

    It's a real bitch of a word, apparently.

    Also, MetaOP, I'm updating the Item and Personnel Details in the pastebin. Please let me know if anything needs to be changed.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)00:10 No.18130254
    Oh thank god, I was worried for a second there.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/28/12(Tue)00:12 No.18130266
    I'd run quests in the days he doesn't, but as people mentioned, tons of quests on the board, people like sleep, and I'm the type of person who'll start a session at 6pm and end it at 6am.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/28/12(Tue)00:25 No.18130394
    When TG Quest finally ends, I was thinking of waiting for the quest threads to die down again before starting up CourierQuest, where you play the Fallout 3 Courier trying to build Vegas into a new nation post Independent-ending New Vegas.

    Is that a good idea or a bad idea?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)00:27 No.18130420
    You'd better have plenty of NPC's and random encounters ready.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/28/12(Tue)00:29 No.18130436
    I don't see it working, the players won't have enough options for input.
    >> Codeki 02/28/12(Tue)00:31 No.18130454
    LOL. We're not going to let you end this.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/28/12(Tue)00:32 No.18130468
    I don't see how you could prevent it. When we clear the sector, mission is complete.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)00:33 No.18130484
    Might as well call this The Neverending Quest
    >> Codeki 02/28/12(Tue)00:33 No.18130488
    To the next sector!
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)00:37 No.18130526
    We got the TG Civil War to sort out.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/28/12(Tue)00:41 No.18130580
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    Bootleg, when you started, I left you a file to hold marked "Tomino Protocols."

    Bring it to me.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)00:46 No.18130658
    >> Potential Writefag 02/28/12(Tue)00:47 No.18130669
    Don't do it, MetaOP!

    Don't give in to the grimdark!
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)00:48 No.18130688
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    >Tomino Protocols
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)00:51 No.18130719
    ... this whole operative group of the TG is going to get nuked, isn't it?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)00:55 No.18130763
    and to think, we stopped the furries from taking over metaOP's CourierQuest before it even started! That's gratitude for you.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/28/12(Tue)01:03 No.18130838
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    Nukes? Oh, nothing so... mundane.

    >> Potential Writefag 02/28/12(Tue)01:08 No.18130882
    No, Ideon! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!

    It'll destroy us all! You have to fight it, MetaOP! Think of the children; of all the innocents that will fall before such indiscriminate power! It's not worth the price!
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)01:13 No.18130932
    I don't even know what that is, apart that I probably will not like it.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)01:16 No.18130966
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    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)01:21 No.18131015
    Current compilation of long term and immediate-term plans from Steam group chat:


    1. Return to Ebon Night World. Unseal the last 2 shoggoths in Antarctica. Send in the Securitrons to fight them.

    2. Return to 8-bit Dystopia. Look for spacecraft to loot.

    3. Research "small meta ships".
    3b. Outfit ISDs and smaller ships and VF-25's with meta drives.
    3c. Dress up as Space Pirates, raid Shipper and Hedonist ships for stuff.

    4. Research combat androids c/o Data. Possibly buy a Busou Shinki and upscale her.

    5. Acquire TG Looter Team

    6. Acquire Zolomon Ringo/David Lister/Elaine

    7. /tg/bein or /tg/quarion

    8. Combine data of destroids and battlemechs. Implement gradius/arwing/macross tech to create a tricked-out Destroid

    Cheyenne TG-custom.

    1. Char trains with the X-Com for combat precog

    2. Gunstar pilot goes through Itano Circus from Hell training. Load up in one of the ISDs, go back out a light-week, and have them train out of sensor range of 8-bit Dystopia. Go vertical relative to the galactic plane. Like, above the worlds and shit.
    >> MetaQuest OP 02/28/12(Tue)01:34 No.18131134

    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)01:38 No.18131181
    Hmmm...perhaps wait and see what our requisition slots are before we reach a final decision on our plans. That aside, looks fairly good.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)01:44 No.18131235
    I don't see cortical stacks in that list.
    Yes, we could have the Looters get them, but we don't know how long that would take and when we could be sent out into another clusterfuck of a linchpin.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/28/12(Tue)02:54 No.18131746
    Another brainstorm / idea rehash from the Steam chat.

    "We research small meta ships, then send runners out to the other sectors. We can set up supply runs and stuff, since we had the foresight to get a Creation Engine. In return, we get delicious goods and services from their sectors."

    Because we need to get things set up and information/resources flowing between our sectors. I'm sure there's ones out there that would appreciate any assistance we can give them.

    Maybe even cortical stacks from the right sector...
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)02:57 No.18131762
    That sounds suspiciously like setting up an alternative supply chain for profit.

    If I was High Command, I'd have you brought up on charges, executed, and your resources used as part of the existing supply chain.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/28/12(Tue)03:05 No.18131817
    With Requisitions blown half to fuck from that nuclear firestorm earlier? If they come at us about it, tell the truth: We're doing this so Requisitions can focus on getting back on their feet. What we'd be doing is basically a stopgap measure to keep other sectors from having an Ebon Night moment then suddenly they have nothing to work with and their sector spirals out of control.

    We're not pretending to be Requisitions 2.0. We're acting like concerned Meta Operatives who happen to be able to help in a bad situation. Requisitions getting nuked was a major blow, and the Guard's gonna need help recovering as fast as possible.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)03:05 No.18131819
    >>Whatever's left of High Command

    Fixed that for you.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)03:10 No.18131845
    There's no one left to reign in the looters anymore. After all, they're all about the bottom line. Whoever survived the nuking, is going to look to work for the highest bidder.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)03:11 No.18131853

    DOSH makes the meta go round, go round go round, the meta go round...
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)03:14 No.18131877

    That clinking clanking sound~!
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/28/12(Tue)03:51 No.18132053
    I don't know anything about these Tomino Protocols.
    >> Bootleg OP !!Cuw+lR6NxOH 02/28/12(Tue)04:00 No.18132104
    >1. Return to Ebon Night World. Unseal the last 2 shoggoths in Antarctica.
    The world was returned to normal after we kicked Ebon Night's ass. That means no more shoggothim.

    >3c. Dress up as Space Pirates, raid Shipper and Hedonist ships for stuff.
    I ... well, I suppose it might work. But pissing off a meta-capable faction might be a bad idea.

    >5. Acquire TG Looter Team
    You'd probably need to go over to where they hang out - tourist hubs, or Farming worlds that weren't nuked - and convince them directly. That might not be easy, considering a bunch of their shit got nuked, and they might be upset about that.

    Good plan. If any Looters are still loyal to the guard, it's likely they're doing exactly the same thing, contacting Editors directly.

    Not ALL looters are only about the money. Almost all of them believe in preserving the canon, at least half of them don't like the unnecessary hurting of the innocent, and many of them have friends in the Guard.
    But ... when someone nukes your friends, nukes your employees, and nukes the guy you work for, you might become upset.

    I wonder what the motive was in nuking Req? Obviously someone has to profit from it, but who, and how?
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)04:20 No.18132217
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)05:23 No.18132504
    I thought Adam and the shoggoths were _native_ to that canon.

    Also, Hedonists are almost always "shoot on sight" to the TG, iirc? The point of dressing up as space pirates is to make it harder for them to trace it back to us.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:47 No.18133793
    No, I'm pretty sure that the Mountains of Madness weren't native.
    It's just that because of Crossover temporal shenanigans that it appeared as if they were native.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:49 No.18133801
    In that case, we better reconsider how we're going to loot again from the 8-bit canon, and what else can we get out of it after we clear up the distortions.

    IIRC, most of what we want is native to the canon, according to the fluff.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)08:57 No.18133860
    We've got most of the items that we can get easily from the Canon, and the vehicles.

    The only ships we still need to scan would be Arwings.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)09:09 No.18133926
    We still haven't lurked around enough for the Falchion Beta tech to show up. Doing so will allow us to bypass tech that require Eezo.

    Maybe if we return at a later time...
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)14:36 No.18136337
    The Falchion Beta has a gravity weapon, but it could be dependent on exotic materials just as much as Mass Effect technologies are dependent on Element Zero.

    Also, our Mass Rifles and Singularity Lasers don't use Element Zero. They use other exotic materials and advanced graviton-based systems that we have difficulty replicating, or outright can't reproduce.
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)16:34 No.18137837
    So, are we going to get VP-98 some special abilities or what?

    I'm voting for Seeker Protocols and User-Friendly Interface.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/28/12(Tue)18:30 No.18139324
    Behold! Writefaggotry! By me!


    Google Docs backup of my first writefaggotry (I intend to do this for all my stuff, and more importantly a source for stuff from me when I can't make threads due to work/etc. When I figure out how to link the whole "here's everything I wrote" link I'll post that too.)


    Email account I've set up is PotentialWritefriend@gmail.com . So I don't delete emails as spam, I'd appreciate a recognizable subject for it like "Editors" or "MetaQuest" or "Writefaggotry".. Something I can identify it with!
    >> Anonymous 02/28/12(Tue)18:34 No.18139382
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    "You'll never know if you never try."

    Also, your fear influencing your speculation is an insult to the scientific method.
    >> Fireman Prime 02/28/12(Tue)20:27 No.18141141
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    Aw man. Nice work, Writefriend. I need to get some stuff churned out for this, show an Editor team actually in action for once since we've done everything -but- them. If the elegan/tg/ents want, I can get something churned out on Google Docs in /real time/ one of these days.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)01:07 No.18145245
    Which page of the board did the Metaquest end up falling onto?
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)03:40 No.18147119
    Alright, so we've got a laundry list of stuff to do:
    1. Set up the identified building as a replica of the Wily Corp HQ using the floor plans we have.
    2. Advanced scans of the Dig Site to identify adjoining tunnels we can snipe from and to determine what buildings are there.
    3. Get doses of the virus prepared for deployment.
    4. Contact Light, ask him what his operative was able to get from MetPharm.
    5. Get Data and our X-COM Engineers working on an Incursion upgrade for VP-99, 98, and HK-50.
    6. Have Mouse begin snooping around the Wily Corp network.

    We also need to set up the MetPharm strike with X-COM NOVA, so we need to start dropping our X-COM VALKYRIE messages.

    The only place that it might be useful to sent Gondegal now would be the Dig Site. He is still a medieval character, in a high-tech world. He wouldn't be able to identify the interdiction generator or the power generators at the Corp HQ's.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)06:37 No.18148221
    On top of these items we still need to lock in VP-98's special abilities.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)09:46 No.18149079
    Gurus are enchanting the tricorder and Federation transporter beacons.

    The Techno-Wizards are currently enhancing the armor worn by Psions, Abjurers, and White Mages to provide better protection.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)11:52 No.18150047
    Additional things to get done:
    a. Get Mustadio a TR-116 with Exographic Targeting Scanner and Micro-Transporter Module. He's an Engineer whose weapon focus was guns; see if he can still pull off some of his skills with this weapon.
    b. the Gavs can work with Data to do the Incursion upgrades, which will free up the X-COM Engineers for renovating the mock-up building.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)14:43 No.18151596
    c. Get the Aurors, Farseers, and Psions to scry on the MetPharm, Wily, and Robodyne high security areas, see what kinds of defenses are in place and have the shadowrunners watch so that they can see the kinds of defenses they'll be up against.
    d. Test Explosive Runes to see if a robot reading them is enough to trigger them. If so, have the Abjurers begin preparing stickers of Explosive Runes.
    >> Codeki 02/29/12(Wed)16:06 No.18152295
    Well, a warforged can trigger them so robots should be no issue.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)16:15 No.18152369
    That makes things easier, and more interesting. Because a Robot Master can't help but read something in its field of vision.
    Which makes the Explosive Runes Stickers useful in slowing them down.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)19:16 No.18154024
    Warforged aren't robots though.
    They're made from magic, so they might obey different rules.
    Hell, different kinds of robots might obey different rules.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/29/12(Wed)19:31 No.18154183
    Thus the need for testing. Because if robots can set them off too, then we've got an advantage.

    And if they can't.. Then they have time to alter the spell so that robots *can* trigger it. It's high time we started engaging in ER dickery.

    Also, I just thought of something. Can Aurors use the Accio spell through a scrying pool? Because if so, we might not even have to deal with some of the Metal Sonic stuff. Just Accio vital parts into the nearest blast furnace and stop the metallic speedster dead in it's tracks. This could also work for teleporter blockers and the like. They should look into this.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)20:05 No.18154543
    Alright, so we keep d. Test Explosive Runes.

    We have a mostly intact Sniper JOE and caterpillar badnik that we can use for the tests.

    As for Accio, it only brings the object to the caster; while amusing, I don't think we want parts of Metal Sonic flying through the air and breaching atmosphere. Too difficult to explain.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)20:26 No.18154712
    Remember that Accio isn't even close to instantaneous.
    Considering how long it took for Harry's Firebolt to reach him, it'd probably take like a day for an object to leave the atmosphere.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/29/12(Wed)20:56 No.18154980
    Hmm. Could they put an anti-technology hex on him somehow? Or have Cheryl glare into the scrying pool and use her powers to start frying power sources or something. Before we do anything with Eggman's stuff, Metal Sonic has to be disabled somehow. We barely pulled off a victory against a space/time altering shoggoth; which was pretty much beastial instinct... We're gonna take serious casualties if we go against a speedster in the class of Sonic with a robotic intelligence that can keep up with that kind of movement.

    As far as contacting the X-COM group here, we should do it. Because we could theoretically let this canon wrap up to however far it developed, then come back and get them; thus adding more X-COM guys to our forces. Or do you guys think it'd be too much of a disruption even after the developed parts of the setting are over with? Because if it's not.. Perhaps we can get Dr. Light as well; if he'd be willing to go. He would be a huge boost to our A.I./Robot/Android development program if we can get him. As well as developing technologies for them and to work into our existing Power Armor forces like the MI, KI, and Fallout armors...

    Just a thought.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)21:28 No.18155314
    You mean an anti-technology hex through a scrying pool?
    I don't think Harry Potter magic can do that.
    We would need someone a little better versed in the Harry Potter Canon for a real determination, though.
    >> Codeki 02/29/12(Wed)21:34 No.18155363
    You think Metal Sonic being FAST is our biggest issue? We don't want it anywhere near our tech. It can scan anything it comes in contact with, upgrade itself using the data it finds, and integrate it into its systems.

    This thing is his Ultimate weapon. It's smart, fast, and supremely adaptable. It has the ability to become invulnerable at will, can perform Chaos Control if it has an emerald, and can evolve into many different shapes. If we fight this thing, we HAVE TO destroy it, leaving no traces for Eggman to reverse engineer into his next version.

    Read http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Sonic for more info.
    >> Potential Writefag 02/29/12(Wed)22:15 No.18155809
    *reads article*

    ..Wow. AND he's giving off reality distortions? Oh lord this guy's an Ebon Night-grade bossfight all over again. Perhaps a Code 14 Transporter bit is in order.. Because we might not be able to get him with a photon torpedo teleport trick (even clearing Eggman out somehow. And I don't want to think about him copying one of those things.) He's got a rocket for flight, so levitation isn't going to do any good...

    Godengal might be the key to this fight. Can he turn corporeal at all? Like, concentrate himself into his hand or something? Because if he can, maybe we can get him to ghost through the machine and start tearing out things. Hell, can Metal Sonic copy a ghost's abilities?

    I hate to say it, but this might be where we have no choice but an orbital strike. Reality Emitters wouldn't help here, since this is a canon ability of Metal Sonic's. Oh dear, oh dear. The rest of this world will probably be easy compared to this bit. This has Vampire Wesker/Ebon Night written all over it; not to mention the lovely rolls late night /tg/ puts out. </sarcasm>
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)22:31 No.18155993
    That's Neo Metal Sonic, not regular Metal Sonic.
    I would say it's probable that this Robotnik isn't capable of building Neo Metal Sonic, due to not appearing to have access to his Grandfather's data, Project Shadow, the Master Emerald, or Chaos.
    So don't sweat it.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)22:34 No.18156019
    I wouldn't be too sure. We don't know all of what Grimm has given the three Corps.

    Gondegal is going to be equipped with a ghost-touch enabled Federation transporter beacon. Hopefully the Gurus remember to add an off switch so that the beacons will actually attach to the targets.

    We'll smear that Metal Sonic's atoms across this entire sector of subspace.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)22:45 No.18156125
    Through a scrying pool?

    If they can accio the Lance of Longinus all the way across, stuck on the moon and back to the Storm during the first Saph fight, then it's possible.

    The minimum accio requirement is to have the _idea_ of the object in mind when trying to retrieve it.

    As for Harry Potter spells, CHECK OUT THE DAMN WIKI.
    >> Anonymous 02/29/12(Wed)22:47 No.18156142
    >>Because we could theoretically let this canon wrap up to however far it developed

    The canon's plot cuts off abruptly after Dr. Light sends out a call for heroes, particularly when all of them gathered together for one decisive strike against all three corps.

    In other words, we are at the very end of the plot.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/12(Thu)05:49 No.18159138
    Right, we CAN Accio Metal Sonic or its components, but the problem is the idea of having them flying through the corp HQ's and then going through the atmosphere.

    I mean, at that point why not just cast Accio Imperial data-slate, Accio Three Jewels, and Accio Sub-space Bomb?
    >> Anonymous 03/01/12(Thu)07:08 No.18159571
    No one else is going to vote on VP-98's special abilities?
    Come on guys, I need to fill in that entry on the pastebin.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/12(Thu)10:40 No.18160780
    There's less resistance pulling them through space. Fighting escape velocity, and getting past all the structures getting in the way is another issue altogether.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/12(Thu)10:47 No.18160820
    We know that the Accio spell doesn't necessarily cause an object to follow a straight path from its origin point to its destination (caster).
    But as you point out, the object would have to fight and win against escape velocity, let alone maneuvering through a building or punching through walls.
    >> Not completely retarded 03/01/12(Thu)11:57 No.18161302
    I think we should definately get the "Seeker Protocols" perk for VP 98, as it means that if it gets destroyed, we can always rebuild it from the memory core.
    I also think "Pure Pazaak" would help us with this world, as we have several high security facilities that we have to infiltrate.

    While we're in this world, we should grab a sample of any local tech we can, such as the L series lemmings that construct the city for their manufacturing systems. Do lemmings have a central control system, will one be missed if we take one, and how would we go about taking it.
    Extra manufacturing capabilities are always useful.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/12(Thu)12:06 No.18161356
    Finding a Lemming wouldn't be a problem.
    Finding one of their control rods that prevent them from becoming autonomous might be harder to do.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/12(Thu)12:52 No.18161749
    I agree with the Seeker Protocols, but I think that the User Friendly Interface will provide more all-around utility, and can still be useful in evading security alerts by fooling security bioroids.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/12(Thu)14:30 No.18162562
    I was thinking, the Dig Site should be the easiest of the four Reality Distortions to deal with.

    Asgard transporters canonically can beam up entire buildings.
    We can deal with the Site one of 2 ways: photon torpedoes to bury the site completely, or beam the Temple of Time to the Moon.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/12(Thu)16:12 No.18163557
    The problem with the Lemmings is that without a control rod, they won't stop doing what their last commands were. Getting a control rod is the hard part, and I don't want to stick around in this Canon for too long.
    >> MetaQuest OP 03/01/12(Thu)19:48 No.18166091
    Blah blah blah, bumped to tomorrow, probably.
    >> Anonymous 03/01/12(Thu)19:52 No.18166125
    Alright, probably for the best, since tonight is a Strike Witches night.

    I, unfortunately, won't be able to participate until after 10PM at the earliest. I just hope that people don't get more of our resources wasted by rushing headlong into situations with bad plans or no plans.
    >> Codeki 03/01/12(Thu)20:12 No.18166369
    Ok, see ya then.
    >> Not completely retarded 03/01/12(Thu)21:54 No.18167884
    I think that even if we can't find a control rod, we should grab one for reverse engineering, maybe we can isolate the manufacturing system, and use it to make manufacturing machines for our ships, so we don't have to rely on the manufacturing ship we left at base as much, and maybe even upgrade it.

    Brainstorming for how to loot a lemming:
    What if we teleport it in sections, to dismember it?
    What if we teleport it into a containment cell made of forcefields so that it can't get new materials?
    Can our advanced sensors get a scan of it that's good enough to make our own?
    What if we just use the disassembler nanos we used on the moon to get blueprints of the wrecks to take one apart?
    Who made them to begin with? Maybe we can hack their computers to get the design documents?
    What about those portable holoemitters? Maybe we can use one to capture a lemming in forcefields and holomatter?
    Maybe doctor light could help us with making our own control rods?
    >> Anonymous 03/01/12(Thu)22:13 No.18168191
    >we can isolate the manufacturing system
    Oh, you mean the portable nano-lathes?
    I admit, having a portable one might be useful, especially if we combine it with Federation replicator technology and a better power system so that we can give all of our vehicles and power armor self-regenerating ablative armor.
    >> Codeki 03/01/12(Thu)23:18 No.18169199
    We already have to hack the WilyCorp computers to remove any of the data he has on the Iron men in there. We might as well grab everything else we can while we're in his system.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/12(Fri)00:26 No.18170151
    Oh, don't forget we need to do the same to Robotnik's computers, too.

    I don't know what we're going to do with the MetPharm computers, though. They're probably partially biological and linked in directly to Mother Brain.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/12(Fri)03:02 No.18172476
    So, we're going to need remote network uplinks so that Mouse can access the computers of the three Corps. We can install the uplink splices when we strike Robodyne and MetPharm.

    Mouse and Data, along with the Sandmen and ANON will be deleting the information regarding the Meta-Contaminants, as well as downloading everything on their mainframes for later analysis.

    We should get some EMP bombs prepared to wipe out their main computers, and other, more destructive contingency plans if we encounter problems deleting the Meta-Contaminant data.
    >> Codeki 03/02/12(Fri)03:22 No.18172657
    Luckily for us, the only info MetPharm has is on the stones. If we're lucky, they don't know shit about them, and we won't need to erase any data from their computers.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/12(Fri)06:40 No.18173858
    That's if we're lucky. Let's get a contingency plan in place. We've likely analyzed enough of the local computer systems to know languages they use. Let's get Data and Mouse together to create a polymorphic computer virus that will seek and delete any information related the three Jewels. We can be ready to release it into the MetPharm computer systems.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/12(Fri)07:34 No.18174226
    I think we can get away with frying the computer systems of all 3 corps. If you read the plot of this, then you'll see why I'm suggesting that we just go all the way.
    >> Codeki 03/02/12(Fri)08:06 No.18174444
    True, it kinda makes it difficult to "fix" the canon when we're to the point where we have very little idea of what comes next. Our only clues on what we need to fix, are what show up as reality distortions.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/12(Fri)12:55 No.18176199
    While it's true that we're nearing the end of the Canon for this world, the Corps still need to put up a fight.
    It's good to keep the EMP grenades and thermite charges ready, just in case, but we should still go for wiping only the relevant data first.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/12(Fri)14:43 No.18177047
    I... guess.
    But is it really okay for us to just go all out and cripple all three megacorps?
    I suppose there's a chance that once we remove Dr. Grimm, the world will 'heal' itself to some degree, but still.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/12(Fri)16:53 No.18178311
    Here's our basic plans so far:

    1. Set up the identified building as a replica of the Wily Corp HQ using the floor plans we have.
    2. Advanced scans of the Dig Site to identify adjoining tunnels we can snipe from and to determine what buildings are there.
    3. Get doses of the virus prepared for deployment.
    4. Contact Light, ask him what his operative was able to get from MetPharm.
    5. Get Data and our X-COM Engineers working on an Incursion upgrade for VP-99, 98, and HK-50.
    6. Have Mouse begin snooping around the Wily Corp network.

    We also need to set up the MetPharm strike with X-COM NOVA, so we need to start dropping our X-COM VALKYRIE messages.

    The only place that it might be useful to sent Gondegal now would be the Dig Site. He is still a medieval character, in a high-tech world. He wouldn't be able to identify the interdiction generator or the power generators at the Corp HQ's.
    >> Anonymous 03/02/12(Fri)16:54 No.18178322
    a. Get Mustadio a TR-116 with Exographic Targeting Scanner and Micro-Transporter Module. He's an Engineer whose weapon focus was guns; see if he can still pull off some of his skills with this weapon.
    b. the Gavs can work with Data to do the Incursion upgrades, which will free up the X-COM Engineers for renovating the mock-up building.
    c. Get the Aurors, Farseers, and Psions to scry on the MetPharm, Wily, and Robodyne high security areas, see what kinds of defenses are in place and have the shadowrunners watch so that they can see the kinds of defenses they'll be up against.
    d. Test Explosive Runes to see if a robot reading them is enough to trigger them. Use the captured Sniper JOE and Robodyne caterpillar. If so, have the Abjurers begin preparing stickers of Explosive Runes.

    Prepare remote network uplinks to allow Mouse and Data to hack the Corps' computer networks once the strikes begin.
    Prepare contingencies: 1. polymorphic virus, 2. EMP grenades, 3. Thermite charges.

    We also may wait until Light and his Resistance are about to launch their own attacks on the Corps, and use their attack as a cover for ours.

    Finally, we need to finalize VP-98's Special Abilities.
    >> MetaQuest OP 03/02/12(Fri)20:35 No.18180277
    I'm almost done with the Agrias thing, but it's a whopper. Should be ready by 9.
    >> Not completely retarded 03/02/12(Fri)21:19 No.18180733
    How long would it take to send a ship back to base to tell them about this? A rogue high ranking member of the Guard would be something blackops might like to know about, and maybe even help with.

    Can we send a message along with that transport craft we used to send the host of deadliest scientist back to base?
    >> MetaQuest OP 03/02/12(Fri)21:24 No.18180762
    You have the All Under Heaven and the Storm with Meta-drives. No other craft with you. That shuttle was from the base, and it's not there anymore.
    >> Potential Writefag 03/02/12(Fri)21:30 No.18180815
    Deadliest Scientist stuff is during the two week break period we had following the Ebon Night Horror Show. This is delayed time writefaggotry he's writing.

    Also, my vote is Seeker Protocols / User-friendly Interface for VP-98. Good probe droid. Niiiiice probe droid. He helped a lot during Tokyo before he got scragged by Griffith's Apostles. He needs to serve this function more. From now on, I suggest that if VP-98/99 are deployed in urban areas they get relevant paint schemes to support their "experimental high-risk area scout drone" cover story. It works well enough.
    >> Not completely retarded 03/02/12(Fri)21:47 No.18181011
    If we can get a ship to base in less than a day, we should definately send one to get any reinforcements they can spare, and tell the various revenge seeking factions about doctor grimm, so we can get some free backup.

    Would sending the all under heaven to base to relay information impact research and production noticeably, or are our major research facilities on other ships?

    I just hope requisitions isn't going to decide to count anything that comes to help with grimm against us when we ask for more equipment.

    In the crazy crossover world we used a gas leak warning to great effect, maybe we could create a similar diversion by sabotaging a chemical storage facility, gas pipeline, factory, power supply system, water supply, or maybe even the lemmings.
    >> Potential Writefag 03/02/12(Fri)21:47 No.18181015

    Get in here, guys. MetaQuest OP is delivering!

    >continued heBuyi

    Why yes, I will continue to buy this brand of thread! Thanks for asking!
    >> Rynex !3KCroq6wAA 03/02/12(Fri)22:07 No.18181212
    I made a similar proposal to do that, to set off explosions across the city as a diversion?

    Someone shot that idea down and said it would set off a high alert.

    Why would your idea NOT raise a high alert?
    >> Not completely retarded 03/02/12(Fri)22:46 No.18181579
    I was thinking more along the lines of "industial accident" than "tarrorist bombings", but it could still raise suspicions. Let's stick with being quiet for now, maybe prepare some "Industrial accidents" as an escape aid for later, once we have the contaminants.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/12(Sat)03:34 No.18184713
    thread saving bump
    >> Anonymous 03/03/12(Sat)12:22 No.18188094
    Anyone think of some hero characters that we could get if we get some choices? A high level d&d cleric would be nice for true resurrection.?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/12(Sat)14:17 No.18189140
    we're planning on getting Zolomon Ringo and possibly others from Zeonquest to operate our /tg/bein. We also planned on getting a Looter team for our own requisitions. That aside, we have some other characters in the works, for example Kevyn Andresen from Schlock Mercenary and Nikola Tesla from Atomic Robo for added SCIENCE!

    We also have PROXY from Star Wars the force unleashed to assist with training and possibly infiltration.

    There's also been recurring suggestions for Giles from Buffy and Zero from Megaman, but one is somewhat redundant and the other is likely difficult to obtain due to canonical issues (although we might be able to use the PWP loophole and nab him from a pocket universe-perhaps stop by his resting sport before the Zero series and copy his personality to fix any issues that come from such an origin).

    And in this very thread, we have...Otto Skorzeny, from IRL. Who's probably the most redundant suggestion ever.

    The problem we have right now is that requisitions is about to shut down for God-knows-how-long.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/12(Sat)16:08 No.18190203
    How about this guy?
    He's a very skilled scientist and mage with thousands of years of experience and isn't a slouch at combat either.
    Sure, he was a villain in his original canon, but considering that his motivation was essentially wanting to see new worlds and experience new things, I don't think that will be much of a problem.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/12(Sat)16:08 No.18190211
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/12(Sat)17:48 No.18191110
    Why do I get the feeling whoever is still suggesting Tesla, Giles and Qilby hasn't been keeping pace with us, or even planning with us?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/12(Sat)18:10 No.18191278
    The way I see it, the more scientist-types (especially scientists good at magic) we have, the more SCIENCE gets done.
    The more SCIENCE gets done, the more we win forever.

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