I fear my knowledge of matters pugilistic is insufficient to aid you, but I wish you Godspeed on your noble endeavor!

Wasn't communist China all about eschewing the old ways? I feel like Chinese martial arts would be a part of that.

The People's Fist. A fighting style all about coordinated moves performed by two or more practitioners.

>>17978182
They don't have to be realistic, the game will be in the vein of supernatural wuxia stunts. They can also make use of guns or even tanks and artillery cannon. There are few limits on how over the top the styles can be. Just a general idea of the style and ideally a catchy name would be enough.

>>17978195
That may be so but in this setting Chairman Mao became the Great Leader because of his undefeatable communist kung-fu. It is not intended to be particularly historically accurate.

>>17978200
That is a good suggestion! It is something I had already planned to incorporate but these are exactly the kinds of suggestions I would like.

The best method would be to look up the stereotypes of various kung fu styles and their practitioners and pair them up with a character as appropriate.

>>17978216
>That may be so but in this setting Chairman Mao became the Great Leader because of his undefeatable communist kung-fu. It is not intended to be particularly historically accurate.
>Implying this isn't how it happened IRL

THREE GORGES FIST: a combination of three devastating strikes that damn the flow of the opponent's chi (and force the relocation of hundreds of villages.)

Deng Xiaoping would use 'Black cat-white cat' a deceptive form of soft-seeming Tai-chi that would appear to constantly give ground while secretly maneuvering into the ideal position to deliver a single sudden strike.

Jiang Qing would of course use a flowery, operatic style while actually fighting extremely dirty. Call it... Red Lantern?

>>17978290
>>17978292
Yes, this is the kind of shit I am looking for.

>>17978321
Mao's signature style will be called Red Glare (although this is actually just one part of a larger, hidden style) so that fits well.

Mao's kung-fu is almost invincible... except for his Great Leap Forward advance, a reckless charge that leaves him vulnerable and off-balance! Time your attacks well!

I think Zhou Enlai needs a good straightforward Bruce Lee hero style to go with his matinee idol looks. Pic related.

>>17978347
Lenin on the other hand will fool you by taking one step back... only to suddenly take two steps forward!

The Gang of Four need to have some evil eunuch-style scarf kung fu. Also, insta-kill attacks like the Fist of Four Deaths.

Presumably Chiang Kaishek was defeated because he failed toinnovate and adapt his own style to beat Mao's unconventional new moves...

>>17978347
My current plan is to have the Great Leap Forward be another 'generalist' style like >>17978200 but other than that it will be risky in the manner you've described.

>>17978357
Something charm-based is not impossible.

>>17978368
Yeah I really want those guys to have some co-ordinated style that they can use when they're all together. Which makes them exponentially more powerful, obviously.

Lin Biao's style copies Mao's to such an extent that Mao becomes suspicious that Lin's trying to find his weaknesses...

There needs to be a lariat move called The Cultural Revolution. Perhaps a follow up to Mao's Great Leap Forward advance if his opponent fails to capitalize on his vulnerability.

Yao Wenuan is a truly dangerous opponent! Beware his Ideological Criticism: each round of combat, he will calmly, politely explain how a certain action (strikes using the feet, for example) are subversive and counter-revolutionary. Should any opponent disregard his words and engage in counter-revolutionary behaviour, he will counterattack with the devastating CULTURAL REVOLUTION, a bone-shattering combination that will leave his enemies weeping for forgiveness.

>>17978418
That is actually a really good idea because the plot is going to kick off with Mao's sudden disappearance. Perhaps Lin Biao will use this opportunity to try and finally uncover the secrets of Mao's style.

>>17978425
>>17978433
Yes! Yes! Yes!

Why would you want to play as a dictator that killed more people than Hiter and Stalin and shat on his own country's rich culture and history to the point where his own successors judged his "Cultural Revolution" to be a disaster? That's like wanting to play as Pol Pot.

>>17978498

Speaking of which. What's Pol Pots fighting style like?

>>17978498
The players will not be taking control of Mao; he is likely to be the final villain of the campaign.

Wang Hongwen, youngest of the Gang of Four, gained the nickname "Helicopter Wang" because of his extraordinarily rapid rise through the ranks of the Party.

And also because of his ARIAL SPIN KICKS!

>>17978395
Nationalist kung-fu would be heavily focused on defense before the mighty Communist onslaught, to the detriment of their attack power.

>>17978536
I am going to steal this entire post from you and use it in the game.

>>17978567
"Crush the anti-revolutionary group"? I only know Japanese, so.

>>17978216

That may be so but in this setting Chairman Mao became the Great Leader because of his undefeatable communist kung-fu. It is not intended to be particularly historically accurate.

FUND IT!

>>17978565
>>17978395
The game is going to have multiple factions and one of them will probably be a resurgence of the Kuomintang. It will begin in a civil war that breaks out after Mao's disappearance. It is the battle for China's future!

The factions will loosely be based on the factions of Romance of the Three Kingdoms so I can name the campaign 'Warring State'. I am not proud.

Mao will, of course, return.

>>17978395

Chiang Kaishek wasted all of his Chi fighting against the japanese master Hirohito. This enabled Mao to strike him down and absorb his powers.

Mao's Little Red Book is a compact treatise on martial arts and Communist philosophy, readily available everywhere. Most common Chinese folk learn simple unarmed defense moves from it, though it is said that limited printing runs meant solely for the Red Guards or the Party itself hold great martial secrets. Mao's own personal copy disappeared along with him, and it is thought it contains the ultimate secrets of Mao's style.

Five-Year-Plan Style has an obvious weakness: each maneuver is planned ahead of time ("Next round I will use Grain-Surplus-Strike on the one in green robes," for example, or "Next round I will defend and center my Chi.") If the opponent acts in an unexpected fashion, the Five-Year practitioner may look like a fool as he stands alone punching and kicking at the air. But it is his opponent who is truly the fool, for each round the Five-Year-Plan continues, the practitioner's Industrial and Spiritual might increase! A true master can, through fortitude, foresight, and close adherence to the Plan, perform an hours-long combo that pounds a mountain to sand!

Oh god OP my money , all of it

>>17978567
Close enough... 'resolutely smash the Wang, Zhang, Jiang and Zhao [i.e. the gang of four] anti-party group'

>>17978719
Figures. Cheers!

>>17978719
I mean Yao, not Zhao...

>>17978536
That's brilliant. The best part is I can hear it in Hong Kong movie dubbing guy's voice.

>>17978690
>>17978699
These are both great ideas. I've been pondering different means by which the PCs might learn to resist Mao's initial style and the Little Red Book is a really solid plot hook I can lay down about that.

The Five Year Plan sounds like another excellent idea for a style that could be widespread around China.

This is just the best. You have really come through for me, /tg/, thank you.

>>17978790
The LRB is also a great excuse for bad guys to sic hordes of minimally-trained thugs that know enough fu to look good while the heroes trash them around.

>>17978813
Oh yeah, definitely. I'm trying to make sure I have lots of 'mook styles' and will try to make it a running theme that they become more powerful the more people there are using them. I just meant Mao's personal Little Red Book in that example.

You should make 'left/right deviations' literal. You can easily defeat a left deviationist fighter by smashing him from the right.

>>17978165
For mechanics, look to "Weapons of the Gods" RPG. Wuxia style RPG in ancient china. Obviously, some conversion will be required.

Also, Exalted/Scion can do the trick, but read up on it first, Exalted doesn't capture the feel of what the characters can do (especially Solar/Abyssal/Lunars) and Scion can be a leap in the mechanics.

Also, good old d20 modern can be like this too, especially if you put in old D&D magic items.

>>17978856
That is actually a pretty neat and entertaining idea. I won't make it a surefire win but I can make it a weakness of some styles.

>>17978856
>For mechanics, look to "Weapons of the Gods" RPG. Wuxia style RPG in ancient china. Obviously, some conversion will be required.
I'm going to be using Legends of the Wulin, which is essentially the improved version of Weapons of the Gods.

>>17978790
Another idea for how to resist/eventually defeat Mao... the Cultural Revolution involves forcible spreading of the Little Red Book techniques, and the 'four old' styles are ruthlessly suppressed. But... though driven underground, some of the old masters survive...

>>17978909

>I'm going to be using Legends of the Wulin

>>17978856
>an army of Red Guards charges toward the player- but they're all leaning waaaaay over to the left...
>player sweeps bamboo pole down from his left shoulder
SMACKDOWN

>>17978917
Simple, the Chinese have been finding loopholes with everything Mao did.

For example, during the Cultural Revolution, the party would go around destroying everything historical, including old artifacts and temples. The way people stopped this was by writing Mao dogma on it somewhere. The Party will not touch ANYTHING with Mao's teachings on it.

This could be translated as books teaching 'anti-party' fighting styles, with the actual teachings written in code, so that those who don't know its there only see more Maoist teachings.

FUCK. THIS IS AWESOME.

Please OP include in your campaign thousands of people on parade grounds, practitioning moves in perfect coordination.

Also, if it's a civil war, it's probable that foreigners might turn their gaze towards China. Russian Spetsnaz knife fighters, Japanese karate masters, or Americans and their gun kata all could easily make a cameo to spice stuff up.

DAMN NOW I WANT TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE HISTORY SETTING WHERE MARTIAL ARTS DECIDED EVERYTHING

>>17979010
>DAMN NOW I WANT TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE HISTORY SETTING WHERE MARTIAL ARTS DECIDED EVERYTHING

>implying this isn't real history
>implying the Jianghu doesn't exist

>>17979010
>mentioning foreign involvement
>not mentioning the surviving Machu descendants of the Qing Emperors and their deadly Bannermen

THEIR STYLE IS UNPARALLELED

Well technically Martial arts did not decide everything. It got kicked to the side with the introduction of the gun.

>>17978917
I can briefly go over the idea I have for a lot of Mao's power and see what people think of it:

Basically his famous 'known style' is Red Glare. No one knows how to use this but it's the style everyone knows Mao uses. It's pretty passive, and it's also literal: Mao's eyes literally glow red. It's basically a form of mind control, meet Mao's gaze and he can control your movements - so unless you can resist it, you have to fight him blind. I want to give the PCs lots of different ways and hooks to pursue about how to overcome this.

This is actually just one part of his full, unique style though: working name of Red Body Discipline. Each of Mao's individual body parts and organs are actually supercharged with the power of Chinese communism making him a terrible engine of destruction. However, at the same time, by overthrowing Mao's lieutenants in different areas of China he loses his hold over it and the body part that draws power from that area loses its power.

Old masters who know how to resist Red Glare or who fought Red Body Discipline before it was fully empowered will definitely be a thing.

What do people think of this?

>>17978994
Very nice idea, thank you.

>>17978959
>bamboo pole
I expect a lot of weapons will be like this but it's worth noting LotW doesn't really differentiate between weapons in a major way: there are weapon categories and abilities that a weapon can have but a gun is just another ranged weapon, for instance. I fully intend to have a tank commander fight the party who uses tank kung-fu while in a tank. He will probably be a Lu Bu reference.

>>17979010
>DAMN NOW I WANT TO MAKE AN ALTERNATE HISTORY SETTING WHERE MARTIAL ARTS DECIDED EVERYTHING
I absolutely understand that feel.

>>17979093
Tracksuit dude is THE BEST.

>>17979093
A kung-fu journey round China, defeating Mao's evil lieutenants in order to lessen his powers before the final confrontation?

Holy crap, OP wins /tg/.

>>17979093
Well to make it sound more authentic, go with a Chinese name.

In case of Red Glare, it might be called Hongse Xuanguang

Sun Yat-sen must have left behind an old, forgotten, completely badass style.

>>17979128
by that logic the game should be held in chinese

no it works better if you actualy understand what the words mean .. the players know that the actual names are in chinese

>>17979128
I'm pretty undecided about giving everything Chinese names or not. I don't know. I can see what it adds but it might be too much of a removal from familiarity for my players: I think a lot of them would struggle with pronunciation alone.

I have someone I can consult about giving things authentic names though, if it is something I do decide on. I also went to them to check this wasn't a horrifically offensive concept that would lead to me getting punched.

>>17979161
Legends of the Wulin has some options for a kung-fu doctor baked in so that's totally possible. I could make it something the Four Bandits developed together and Sun Yat-sen perfected.

Away out now. Thanks for all the help /tg/. I'll check the thread again when I return.

>>17979093
Like wise , each lieutenant represents an aspect of Maoist communism.

Like one in Chengdu, you have followers of Ren de Shoubi, literally translating to the People's Arm, represented by an arm swung like a hammer. Their style involves, slow deliberate blows that are meant to destroy in as few hits as possible.

Didn't the communists set about killing martial artists because they were afraid of their kamehamehas and dodon rays?

>>17979724
They probably did in this setting.

>>17979724
Yes but like I said, if they followed Mao, the party would leave them alone. Anything that involved pro-Mao was treated like a sacred relic.

>I need suggestions of suitable kung-fu styles associated with the Communist Party of China during the Maoist period including the personal kung-fu styles of high ranking members of that party such as the Gang of Four, Lin Biao and Deng Xiaoping.

They sorta hated anything classically Chinese, other than the century-old facist tradition of the culture.

But if it has to be... The Long March Steps - Mao's undefeatable footwork. It's a version of Drunken Man footwork only that it works best in crowds where it allows the user to aviod being hit while bystanders, usually resulting in a gigantic brawl.

>>17979917
>They sorta hated anything classically Chinese, other than the century-old facist tradition of the culture.
See: >>17978216
>That may be so but in this setting Chairman Mao became the Great Leader because of his undefeatable communist kung-fu. It is not intended to be particularly historically accurate.

And now, thanks to the Domino effect, Korea is feeling the shocks of the Revolution. Kim il Sung is developing his own martial arts to lead Korea in it's own revolution, borrowing heavily from Mao's style, but with elements of ancient tae kwondo, and a smattering of the Stalin Spetsnaz technique

I am back now. Thank you for the additional suggestions.

>>17980294
I will probably confine it to China. I don't think I have it in me to run a worldwide political martial arts game.

>>17980516
Yeah but it will make for nice backstory, kinda like Cathay is to Warhammer: it's there, but there's no set way to include it in game.

>>17978165
Pol Pot stole a great deal from Mao's Red Glare, but his Khmer technique can only be used in the open spaces of the countryside.

When he stands on his favoured ground, he is deadly. His sweeping movements have the power to reduce his opponent to powerless "New People", and his "Year Zero" opening technique is nearly unstoppable.

If he is drawn into the cities or tight spaces, however, he is powerless. The secret to his defeat lies in learning the close-fighting techniques perfected by the vietnamese school, who adapted many Spetsnaz secrets to city and tunnel-fighting.

>>17980644
I don't know. I'm really playing on Chinese wuxia traditions, that's part of the reason I'm aping Chinese classics and setting it in China. If it comes up I guess I can spin something, or maybe not.

Still, don't let me stop you.

>/tg/ turns Mao's repression into a joke
I shouldn't be surprised but man is that bullshit

>>17981407
0/10, troll

OP, this is amazing, I kind of want to do a "World War Wulin" setting and make all of World War II into a kung fu romp. You are incredible, though.

This has been the best thread.

>>17981407
Quit being such a wussy.

>>17981596
I would encourage everyone to do whatever crazy wulin games they feel like.

>>17981596

Relevant to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEuUmYS0vKY

>>17981596
What kind of martial arts did you envisage?

This is awesome and I wish I were in your group, OP.

>>17986361
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=-iRa1WoK290

I love how they just put random swastikas and crosses on everything to make it look "WWII".

About the "schewing the old ways" maybe there is a conflict between old classical martial arts with white weapons, and the new scientifically improved, industrially made, communist kung fu, (maybe the new kung fu also makes training with modern weapons).

For a take on conflict between old, ritual and secretive martial arts against industrial new martial arts see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veritas_(manhwa)

>>17986625
Ha. I actually started thinking of Veritas before I got to your second sentence and then I saw the link.

I really like the idea of 'industrially made' communist kung fu. Like, in a literal sense. Like an actual kung fu production line.

Thousand Flowers style.

That is all.

>>17986625
during the Korean War, those US soldiers/marines who were trained in fighting (western style, boxing etc) and tried to fight hand-to-hand vs chinese regulars were quickly overcome. The ones that were most successful in surviving a hand-to-hand combat with a chinese or NK soldier were those with no boxing or stand-up fighting background -- those who grappled and brawled.

this would translate pretty easily to a game.

>>17986645
Derp, Hundred Flowers style.

Sorry.

>>17986649
It would. At the same time I get the impression that OP's game:
> I fully intend to have a tank commander fight the party who uses tank kung-fu while in a tank
> Each of Mao's individual body parts and organs are actually supercharged with the power of Chinese communism
>That may be so but in this setting Chairman Mao became the Great Leader because of his undefeatable communist kung-fu
...may not be the most realistic depiction of martial arts.
>

My God, that idea is so cool. I think I read a manga about that sort of thing.

>>17986676
If you can dig it out, link.

>>17986658
Surprised this didn't come up earlier but that seems like a great idea.

This idea is awesome, and there should be hundreds of awesome posts bumping this awesome thread.

I say.

>>17986361
This is beautiful.

Quick, Archive this!

In the spirit of communism, why not just all it "The Way of the People", which received recognition due to it being possible to teach to peasants and workers WITHOUT years of training on top of a mountain. In other words, Mao's style caught the heart of the working class because now with mao's style they could stand up for themselves, something they did not have access to (a certain way of kung-fu) befire because that was something only the higher class had the luxury to have. With Mao's revolutionary kung-fu style, he heralded the rise of the working class after him as well as the wotking class.

>>17986983
Suddenly my grammar is a mess.

excuse me

Way of the Tenfold Censure

A style that focuses only on restricting the opponents possibilities to attack, without dealing fatal damage in return.

Fist of the Judicious Protection of Censorship

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>>17986983
yes, his totaly makes sense

>>17986983
That makes sense but its also boring how about this:

According to the idea of a worker and peasant class following intelectuals and writters the communist party is encouraging its Kung fu masters to create a new style to be the ONLY one style to be teached to ALL the workers and peasants.

Every intellectual/martial artist of the party has his own style and they add their ideas to the People Way of Fighting. But they don't really add their more powerful techniques and moves, because of either complexity or lust for power. Also, there are conflicting schools in the Party.

Archived on sup/tg/. Don't forget to upvote this awesome idea.

Finally finished reading this amazing thread. I've always wanted to run a campaign like this one, especially the World War Wulin variant someone mentioned upthread. This is like all the best things about Legend of Koizumi, but with actual martial arts instead of Mahjong. Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Keep in mind that Mao was also a poet and expert calligrapher. If anyone could find a way to interpret his verses, they might uncover his martial arts secrets. And it's likely that one of his old calligraphy instructors is some ancient martial arts master, pained by the betrayal of his most promising student...

Please OP, let this be an online game so I could possibly join.

Anyway, the Hardline Style. A furious kung fu that allows it's user to over come any actual problems by believing they do not exist. Woefully weak when not fully understood, a great master can survive anything, with his belief in the Way of Communism.

Hey, OP again.

First - I'm really amazed this is still alive, and I'm flattered by all the compliments.

>>17986983
This is a cool idea but I feel like I will go with >>17987889 and have it something being worked on, rather than something being completed. I will put this in.

>>17988346
That's another great hook for defeating Mao's style. So that's going in as well.

>>17986658
What I think I'll do is have a Hundred Flowers style, which is now regarded as out-of-date and under veto by the communist faction, and a Hundred Flowers Falling style which is basically designed around exploiting the weaknesses of the former.

>>17987005
>>17987037
Some sort of censorship style is a great idea. I may just call it 'Judicious Protection of Censorship'.

>>17989344
This is actually a sweet idea for an Internal Style. I might call it 'Heart Shielded in Ignorance' or 'Virtue of the Peasant's Mind' or something but this, also, is going in.

>>17989344
>Please OP, let this be an online game so I could possibly join.
Also: if IRL it is successful I will consider this but I can't imagine finding players for it. LotW isn't very well known.