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    49 KB Transformers; The Transformening Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)14:12 No.17423169  
    Continuing from

    My goal is to have a bare-bones beta of the rules out by next week. If the underlying system is sound, I will then try to implement some of the tech rules. I shall also re-post the slightly revised rules from the first thread.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)14:14 No.17423180
    >Generating Attribute Scores
    Roll 1d10 and Multiply the result by 9 for each attribute.


    >Alt Modes
    Animal, Giant
    -Get +10 Strength, +10 Speed, +10 Endurance and -30 Intelligence while in Alt Mode
    Car, Fast
    -Get +20 Speed and -10 Endurance while in Alt Mode
    Car, Utility
    -Get +10 Endurance and +10 Strength while in Alt Mode
    Plane, Nimble (Fighters)
    Plane, Heavy (Passenger jets, Bombers)
    Monster, Ground
    Monster, Air
    Monster, Sea
    Boat, Civilian
    Boat, Military
    Military Vehicle, Light (Humvees, APCs)
    Military Vehicle, Heavy (Tanks)
    Car, Racing
    Car, Regular
    Car, Mini
    Car, Van
    Trailer Truck
    Animal, Giant Sea
    Animal, Giant Air
    Roll 1d2, 1=female, 2=male

    >Body Colors
    Roll 1d10 twice. 1st roll is dominant color, 2nd is accent color.
    -1 Red
    -2 Purple
    -3 Blue
    -4 Green
    -5 Yellow
    -6 Orange
    -7 Black
    -8 White
    -9 Gray
    -10 Teal

    Multiply your endurance by 2. This your HP.

    >Ranged Attacks
    Roll a Skill check. If you pass, your target must pass a Speed check. If he fails you deal 1d10 + 1/2 Firepower damage. If you passed your Skill check by 30 points below the minimum or more, instead deal 1d10+ Firepower damage.

    >Melee Attacks
    Roll a Skill check. If you pass, your target must pass a Speed check. If he fails you deal 1d10 + Strength damage. If you passed your Skill check by 30 points below the minimum or more, instead deal 1d10+ 2x Strength.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)14:18 No.17423202
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    Background/history table inspired by crunchanon.


    If a background seems incompatible with a character (like a Scientist with 9 Int), you may re-roll your result

    >roll 1d10

    You don't know about science, tactics, or higher learning, but you know how get shit done
    You come from one of Cybertron's wealthy families. You have rare gadgets and a silver toungue.
    You were a member of one of the many Sentry teams. You juggle between combat effectiveness and investigative ability
    You held political office on Cybertron. You know how to be subtle and how to play to the crowd.
    Whether as a Hospital Doctor or a Field Medic, you've learn how to repair serious wounds and provide advanced care.
    You were among Cybertron's best and brightest. You know how to build fortifications, weapons, and computers.
    You were trained in a military academy. You know how to fight, how to plan, and how to win.
    Whether acting for an official government or private interest, you now how to watch without being seen.
    You've been (or perhaps are) on the wrong side of the law. You know how to play it cool and how to figure out who's trying to screw you over.
    Roll twice on this table.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)14:20 No.17423213
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    In-fiction examples; G1 Ironhide, TFA Bulkhead

    Favored Skills;
    >Select one skill. This is now a favored skill.

    >Roll 3 times on the Common Ability Table

    >Apply a conditional -10 difficulty to Leadership or Negotiation when interacting with individuals who view you as lowly due to your social status.

    In-fiction examples; G1 Mirage

    Favored Skills;

    >Roll once on the Uncommon Ability Table and once on the Rare Ability Table

    >Apply a conditional +10 difficulty to Leadership or Negotiation when interacting with individuals who view you as educated due to your social stauts.
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    In-fiction examples; G1 Devcon, BW Depthcharge

    Favored Skills;

    >Roll twice on the Uncommon Ability Table

    >Hold-out Pistol; All sentries have a secondary sidearm in the event that their main weapon is destroyed or lost. A back-up pistol deals damage as though the Sentry's Firepower was halved (round down)

    In-fiction examples; G1 Ratbat

    Favored Skills;
    >Leadership, Negotiation

    >Roll three times on the Uncommon Ability Table

    >Connections; You know who knows someone. The exact effects of this ability are up to the GM, but in general the Politician may make a Negotiation or Leadership check once per 3 in-game days to call-in a favor of some sort.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)14:27 No.17423269
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    In-fiction examples; G1 Ratchet, G1 Hook

    Favored Skills;
    >Repair, Deduction

    >Roll once on the Common Ability Table and
    once on the Uncommon Ability Table

    >Medtools; Medtechnicians begin play with a set of Medtools at no cost.
    >Medtech Training; You can attempt the Advanced uses of the Repair skill without proper tools at a -15 penalty instead of the usual -30 penalty.

    In-fiction examples; G1 Wheeljack, G1 Perceptor

    Favored Skills;
    >Science, Technology

    >Roll once on the Common Ability Table and
    twice on the Uncommon Ability Table

    >Techtools; Engineers begin play with a set of Techtools at no cost.
    >Mad Scientist; You can attempt the Advanced uses of the Science and Technology skills without proper tools at a -15 penalty instead of the usual -30 penalty.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)14:29 No.17423282
    In-fiction examples; G1 Ultra Magnus, G1 Onslaught, BW Dinobot

    Favored Skills;
    >Select one skill. This is now a favored skill.

    >Roll twice on the Uncommon Ability Table and
    once on the Rare Ability Table

    >Discipline; Whenever a Soldier must take a Courage Test, roll twice and take the best result.
    >Strength in Numbers; The Soldier receives a conditional +1 bonus to damage for every ally within visual range (up to +5 max).

    In-fiction examples; G1 Bumblebee, G1 Punch/Counterpunch, G1 Laserbeak, G1/BW Ravage

    Favored Skills;
    >Deduction, Stealth

    >Roll once on the Rare Ability Table

    >Plausible Deniability; Spies are rarely acknowledged by their benefactors. Subject to GM's discretion, some allied Government Elements might ignore your activities or requests.
    >No one would suspect; You gain a +20 on difficulty to convince others that you're not involved in shady business.
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    In-fiction examples; G1 Swindle, G1 Wildrider, BW Megatron

    Favored Skills;
    >Select two skills. These are now your favored skills.

    >Roll three times on the Uncommon Ability Table

    >Paranoia; All Deduction and Negotiation tests add a -10 penalty to the difficulty due to the air of mistrust that originates from you.
    >Lone Gunbot; As long as there are no allies within visual range, Criminals roll twice for Courage Tests and take the better result.

    In-fiction examples; G1 Megatron, G1 Optimus Prime

    >Roll twice again on the History table. You gain all traits from those backgrounds. Further rolls of Storied are cumulative.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)14:33 No.17423319
    Good to see this didn't die with the thread.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)14:36 No.17423339
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    To-do list;

    -Work on the skill system
    -Write Ability tables
    -Write Ability Descriptions
    -Write rules for most of the alt modes
    -Stat key NPCs
    -Condensed, G1-centric history

    -Target/Breast/Power/Headmaster rules
    -Pretender rules
    -Expanded history of G1-esque continuity.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)14:39 No.17423361
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    Why the fuck would anyone draw that?!
    >> Inquisitorial Librarian 01/04/12(Wed)14:41 No.17423377
    Because they hate you, your happiness and your childhood memories and take perverted delight in ruining them for you.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)14:44 No.17423404
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    Rough Timeline;

    Creation of Transformers, Quintessons driven off of Cybertron, First Cybertronian War between Autonomous Robots and Deceptive Constructs (names are hold-overs from the Quints).
    >Golden Age
    Pax Cybertronia establishes a uneasy peace between Autobots and Decepticons, Colonisation (Paradron, Micro, Velocitron, etc),
    New Factions began appearing (Like the Autobot-splinter vigilante Protectabots and the Decepticon-splinter Constructicons).
    >The Fall
    Cybertron ruling elites begin fanning interparty tensions for political gain but it backfires spectacularly, Numerous rebellions (Megatron's Decepticons, Multi-Force's Destrons, Sentinel Prime's Maximals), Second Cybertronian Civil War, The Exodus (Many Cybertronians Flee from the war, including the future founders if the Neo-Cybertronian Empire)
    >The Dark Age
    Megatron and Optimus Prime crash on Earth and slumber for millions of years, Cybertron becomes a total warzone once the two strongest leaders disappear, Neo-Cybertronian Empire expands. (Beast Wars goes here)
    >The Return
    Megatron and Optimus Prime re-awaken and continue their battle on Earth, Cybertronians flock to Earth to help both sides, Cybertronian colonies are attacked by the mysterious Planet X

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)14:48 No.17423435
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    >The Renewal
    The Battle of Autobot City, The Death of Optimus Prime, The Time Wars, new technologies are introduced (Binary Bonding, Micromasters, Pretenders), The Inter-Cybertronian War, Earth exiles Transformers and develops their own robots, The Machine Wars, The Earth Concordat re-establishes Cybertronian presence on Earth, Deathsaurus terrorizes Earth briefly.
    >The Great Upgrade
    Maximals and Predacons gain domiance over their predecessors, Maximals claim complete control of Cybertron, Predacons (and others) relegated to second-class citizenship and hard labor, Maximal High Council mandates The Great Upgrade on all of their worlds (Some who do not want this upgrade flee off-world), A Predacon criminal who calls himself "Megatron" steals the Golden Disc from the Hall of Archives and is pursued by the colonization vessel "Axalon".
    >The Change
    Megatron returns to Cybertron and unleashes a Transmode virus, Cybertron is devastated by the sudden attack, Megatron uses Quintesson connections to obtain drones of various makes and models, Cybertronian rebels rally behind the questionably-sane Optimus Primal, Using ancient technology the organic nature of Cybertron is enhance loosed, Cybertron becomes techno-organic.
    The distinction between the organic and technological becomes lost on Cybertron as this two dimensions become fused in incomprehensible ways, The Dimension Wars begin.

    For the beta rules, I'll prolly drop the Beast Era and onwards, as well as good portion of The Renewal. Should the Golden Age and Pre-History sections be dropped too?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)14:58 No.17423506
    As the transformers in this era are going to be using the same rules as the regular ones, I see no reason to dispose of them. While it's sad to see it go, its probably best to keep Beast Wars separate until time can be taken to do beastforms justice/balance them against vehicle altmodes.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)15:19 No.17423693
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    So you think it should be
    >Golden Age
    >The Fall
    >The Dark Age
    >The Return
    >The Renewal

    Sounds good. I shall post a short-list of NPCs in a minute.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)15:21 No.17423713
    Sounds good to me, but I am merely one anon and my opinion does not reflect that of the masses.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)15:26 No.17423760
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    NPCs shortlist

    -Zeta Prime
    -Optimus Prime
    -Rodimus Prime
    -Ultra Magnus

    I need suggestions for support/mentor/questgiver NPCs please.

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)15:28 No.17423787
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    -Air Warrior
    -Ground Warrior


    Well, you're the only one giving feedback, so for now you are the masses.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)15:32 No.17423817

    For the Pre-History era I might have to pull a Dreamwave and assign some of the Japanese-exclusive characters as Ancient Cybertronians.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)15:57 No.17424038
    With my limited knowledge of the lore ...
    Sentinel Prime?
    Alpha Trion?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)16:26 No.17424246
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    Sentinel/Zeta Prime are sorta the same guy. I just used Zeta because I associate Setinel with DoTM and TFA
    Thank you for mentioning Galvy, that reminded me about the Sweep, another good Con mook.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)16:51 No.17424443

    Wheeljack, especially G1. Plenty of fetch quests for parts he needs, and can provide experimental upgrades and weapons.

    G1 Jetfire could fill that role as well, but I think his Armada incarnation as Optimus's second in command would be useful.

    Barricade. I think that either G1 or movie would work best here - the latter lending more to stealthy mission, with G1 linking into a criminal sector.

    Blackarachnia would be good as well, but she'd likely have to wait until we add Beast Wars.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)16:54 No.17424477
    Does anyone know of any mass-produced Autobot/Maximal/Cybertron soldiers besides the Omnicons and Autotroopers?
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)16:58 No.17424517
    Personal Taste coming in here. I don't like the idea of "faceless" foes. I feel a handful of recurring villains with GM characterization fits Transformers better than a "monster manual" of Autodrones or whatever.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)17:02 No.17424560
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    I forgot to mention that Blitzwing is included with the Quints for fluff reasons (mainly that he shares a body-type with mass-produced Quint soldiers)

    Interesting. I might mash-up the two, make Barricade a corrupt Sentry on a crime lord's payroll.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)17:06 No.17424602
    Well, mass-produced TFs aren't exactly faceless. They may share bodyframes and look identical but there is room for individual personalities. Also, a GM could always fluff a squad of 3 Air Warriors as 3 unique Decepticons.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)17:11 No.17424661
    There's the Decipticlones, but I don't think many of them were smart, or could even transform for that matter.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)17:20 No.17424760
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    I will forever have nightmares about those spider tanks OH GOD THEY'VE FOUND ME.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)17:24 No.17424810
    well no other good guy ones but for villains there's the Seacons from Masterforce, the Vehicons from Beast Machines, the Decepticlones from Armada's PS2 Game, the Terrorcons from Energon, the Scrapmetals from Cybertron, and the Vehicons/Eradicons from Prime(as well as Dark Energon Zombies also from Prime) as well as the Already mentioned in this thread Sharkticons, Allicons, and when you think about it there's also the G1 Insecticons(especially the IDW versions)
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)17:26 No.17424835
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    The Transformers have a history of limited body types, produced in mass quantities.

    In the fiction that doesn't directly tackle Transformers reproduction, it makes sense, because it implies that they were constructed for specific purposes.

    In real life, it makes sense, because they can sell the same toy multiple times.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)17:30 No.17424866
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    Even to this day I get the chills just thinking about that noise they make when they charge that cannon of theirs.

    "Herpa derp exploring, looking for Minicons, herpity derpity-"


    "Oh shit! Where is it?! OHFUCKOHFUCKOHFUCKOHFU-"


    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)17:31 No.17424884


    Off the top of my head, the Movieverses armies, at least for the Decepticons, were like 90% Drones.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)17:38 No.17424962
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    > Early in the game.
    > The Arctic.
    > Minding my own business looking for Minicons.
    > "Stasis Lock"
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)17:43 No.17425017
    Just from quickly Browzing that page, here's some Autobot Drones.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)18:05 No.17425249
    Zoom-zoom, despite having a dumb name, shows promise.
    You and >>17424835 have given me some ideas.

    I'll try to post some ability tables later.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)19:03 No.17425780
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    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)23:23 No.17428357
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    Bump, about to start posting.
    >> Anonymous 01/04/12(Wed)23:31 No.17428420
    Man, did anyone else love that game? I know it was pretty generic and they cut out the plot halfway through development, but it was so fun just to wreck shit as Optimus Prime.

    Speaking of good Transformers games, apparently the armies in War for Cybertron are mostly literally nameless mooks.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/04/12(Wed)23:58 No.17428651
    Archived at

    Rare ability table

    Roll 1d10 and consult the table below

    1-Roll on the Uncommon Ability table instead
    2-Extra Alt Mode
    3-Mutant Spark
    4-Internal Fusion Reactor
    5-Portable Drones
    6-Holograms, Advanced
    7-Cloning, Multiple
    8-Extra Robot Mode
    10-Roll twice on this table, ignoring further results of 10
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)00:10 No.17428746
    Uncommon ability table

    Roll 1d10 and consult the table below

    1-Roll on the Uncommon Ability table instead
    2-Aquatic Adaptation
    4-Redunant Support Systems
    6-Holograms, Simple
    8-Cerebro Shells
    10-Roll twice on this table, ignoring further results of 10
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)00:28 No.17428881
    >1-Roll on the Uncommon Ability table instead
    derp. Should be "Common Ability table"
    Common ability table

    Roll 1d10 and consult the table below

    1-Roll on the Uncommon Ability table instead
    4-Internal Tools
    5-Communication Hub
    6-Utilatarian Frame
    7-Extra Arms
    8-Advanced Analytical Processor
    9-Advanced Sensor Array
    10-Roll twice on this table, ignoring further results of 10
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)01:17 No.17429251
    rolled 2, 1, 9 = 12

    Rustbucket here.

    Rolling for uncommon abilities. He's a politician.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)01:18 No.17429260
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    Bump for the night. Will continue tomorrow.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)01:19 No.17429271
    rolled 9 = 9

    Since I got a 2, I'm rolling from the Common table.

    >Aquatic Adaptation
    His truck mode can convert the snowplow into a little propeller, for submarine travel. Robot mode is useless underwater.

    Explains a lot, actually. He's even orange!
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)01:21 No.17429281
    Aquatic Adaptation, Junkion, and re-roll on the Common Table.

    Nice to see you again.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)01:25 No.17429307
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    >Advanced Sensor Array
    This is part of what lost him his ambassadorial position, I'm sure of it.

    I'm not going anywhere, mang.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)01:41 No.17429433
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    Hey, new version of the thread, hurrah.

    According to the map from "Transformers: Vault" Barricade is from Iacon, so it would make sense that he'd be a corrupt police officer.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)03:43 No.17430195
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    I love you.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)04:16 No.17430349
    >Barricade is corrupt police officer in Iacon
    >Sky Shadow and Blue Bacchus are part of a robot mafia
    >Thunderwing was the head of a robot mafia
    Thanks, anon, you just provided some interesting campaign hooks.

    I like you in a platonic way.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)04:41 No.17430474
    Teeechnically they're just gangsters rather than Mafia. You'd probably be better off having them as Destron Yakuza. (Destron being an ancient cybertronian culture, and language, and just happens to be like Japanese)
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)04:48 No.17430513

    Is there a wiki where all this is being archived?
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)05:06 No.17430635
    So, how about gestalts?

    From what I know of transformers there are basically four kinds of gestalts:

    Team gestalts: where a bunch of transformers make one powerhouse.
    Such as Devastator.

    Variable Gestalts: Where one transformer can combine with a bunch of other transformers (or the McGuffins of the show), but only one or two at a time, to form a slightly more powerful or better adapted to their environment version of themselves. As in the CGI+anime Japanese shows.

    The crazy things from the end of g1 where one transformer/human/alien was the "brains" of a different transformer. This was supposed to give them increased mental capacity for things like better maneuverability and better aiming skills. In return you couldn't transform into your robot mode without your head turning into a head, so only one of you could walk around at a time.
    The best example is Fortress Maximus, who needed Cerebros to become his head, who in turn needed Spike to become Cerebros's head. So he is some kind of double-headmaster for maximum insanity.

    Reverse gestalts: Where one transformer transforms into multiple detached components, which somehow share the same mind. This doesn't make them more powerful, but rather more adaptable and able to multitask better.
    Such as Sky Lynx(G1)
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)05:24 No.17430717
    That'd be pretty complex depending on the gestalt type.

    Energon really went nuts with combiners, practically the entire Autobot line could do top-bottom combinations. Though that case was relatively simple, the bottom Autobot basically became a temporary upgrade pack for the top, who was in control. (BDSM subtext is your choice to see)
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)05:35 No.17430783
    I kind of want to play this, but my work schedule is erratic as hell.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)05:40 No.17430804
    rolled 2, 2, 5, 9, 3, 10, 8 = 39

    Oh, what the hell, I'll roll something up anyway.
    >Rasp Ozager

    Captcha want's me to name this one Rasp.
    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)05:47 No.17430846
    rolled 9 = 9

    So multiplying by 9 gives:

    -Strength 18
    -Intelligence 18
    -Speed 45
    -Endurance 81
    -Courage, 27
    -Firepower 90
    -Skill 72

    Hp: 162

    Holy crap. It's dumb and weak and cowardly, but it's hard as hell to kill and it packs one big ass gun.

    Rolling for alt-mode.
    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)05:53 No.17430874
    rolled 1 = 1

    >Boat, Civilian
    Oh boy. What kind of civilian boat would have a big-ass gun and neigh-impenetrable hull?

    A submarine, that's what. Fits in the with cowardly dumb runt thing, civilian subs are kind of small.

    Rolling for gender!
    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)05:56 No.17430896
    rolled 6, 3 = 9

    Righto, Rasp is a girl.
    That's going to make some people mad.

    On to colors.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)05:59 No.17430910

    >no pink available

    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)05:59 No.17430911
    rolled 9 = 9

    >Orange/Blue Contrast.

    Oh dammit dice gods, are you just trolling me now?

    Well, on to Backgrounds.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)06:01 No.17430921
    Concerning Gestalts:

    Due to an unexplainable quirk in Cybertronian creation, a rare few cybertronian sparks bear remnants of mitosis attempts.

    A successful spark-branching results in what are commonly dubbed "clones" or "twins", where a pair of cybertronians possess a connection beyond the sense of siblinghood felt by all "batch constructed" cybertronians, but a physical shared connection between them. These unfortunates often suffer actual mechanical injuries if their sibling is damaged, and should one die, so will the other.

    Where a spark branches partially, but mitosis is not complete, the resulting cybertronian possesses a split sense of self, similar to what humans call "Multiple Personality Disorder". They will view themselves as two individuals, and will often hold conversations with themselves, despite understanding that "both of them" are in fact the same being.

    The most common spark malfunction is an incomplete spark, where a spark is apparently complete, but lacks certain energies which leads to a sense of emptiness or an almost disturbing desire to be subservient to others.
    Those so aflicted were ideal subjects for the prototype "Gestalt" technology, where the melding of sparks helps keep the individual sparks stable and reliable, and the physical combination allows for gigantic super warriors.

    Religious Cybertronians often point to the obscure figure from Cybertron's mythic age "Nexus Prime", as the souce of these spark malfunctions, and venerate him in hopes of relieving the pains and difficulties of spark-mitosis.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)06:06 No.17430946
    ...that comes off as weird and potentially creepy, but also potentially really interesting.

    THough I imagine some combiners just have special equipment installed and just let themselves take a back seat while another Transformer uses their body. I think Transformers are likely to have a very different approach to body image and 'self' than humans, since their bodies can be relatively easily completely changed, transferred and otherwise altered with few side effects.
    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)06:10 No.17430963
    rolled 7, 2, 6 = 15


    I don't know if Rasp has enough processing power to figure out all that crime stuff.
    But it does fit with a cowardly crackshot who is a submersible. Perhaps she was a smuggler of sorts.
    Maybe she took a shot to the head, and that's why she is dumb now?
    sounds lovely.
    >Lone Gunbot.
    That's going to help a bit.
    Er, are those in the other thread?
    Rasp is going to go with the hide and spot equivalents at any rate.
    > Abilities:
    >more backgrounds.
    I'll handle those next.
    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)06:16 No.17430992
    rolled 7, 10 = 17

    7-Cloning,Single (god what?)
    2-Aquatic Adaptation (Redundant or essential? Well Rasp is truly at home in the water now)
    6- Holograms, Simple (That will help with the hiding bit)

    Incidentally, what is a "trait"? Is that all of the stuff they have listed or just the abilities?
    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)06:23 No.17431014
    rolled 9, 4, 3 = 16

    Holy crap, just how old is Rasp going to be when this all ends?
    One more? I guess, repair?
    Does this stack with lone gunbot?
    Rasp is very brave for being such a coward. I wonder what all these re-rolls mean for probability.
    >Strength in Numbers
    Oh great, even more damage. Rasp now has the most devastating weapon you can pack onto a small Transformer. Heck, it's even more devastating than some of the big guns. I be Megatron would love a weapon like this.


    Rolling this time


    Next post will see just how game-breaking the Criminal sortied stacking can be.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)06:29 No.17431038
    So you're a tiny female, brightly coloured sub, with a freakin' massive cannon, who hates groups, except when the group is her.
    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)06:30 No.17431045
    rolled 5, 1 = 6

    9-Junkion (well that explains everything)
    4-Redunant Support Systems (more underwater, more hard to kill)
    3-Mutant Spark

    Jesus Christ, just how hard is it to kill Rasp at this point?!

    Rolling the final backgrounds. And I am disregarding any 10's for sake of sanity at this point.
    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)06:39 No.17431080
    rolled 5, 3, 8, 8, 7 = 31

    Her neruoprossessor damage was so excessive, only she could repair it, obviously.
    Deduction, is added, or not. Still hazy on that point.
    Free stuff!
    Will be in this roll. adding all of them up, going from common to uncommon.
    >Medtech Training.
    Well that might be useful at some point.

    Her current state of being, fitting that it is the last one.

    Negotiation sounds like a winner.

    three more commons.

    >-10 for leadership and negotiation.
    Yeah, I would have trouble following the advice of someone with brain damage too.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)06:42 No.17431100
    I wonder what her alt-mode looks like.

    Offbeat alt-modes are fun, I once came up with a Transformer whose alt-mode is a roller coaster train. (and his Mini-Con buddy is a hot dog cart)

    Hell, go to a state fair or similar sometime- portable rides look like they'd be crazy awesome Transformers.
    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)06:54 No.17431146
    rolled 5, 10, 1, 8, 9 = 33

    >5-Communication Hub
    Rasp can sing to the whales! And also relay messages, as befitting a smuggler. Maybe even pick up some TV signals.
    That would be nice to have under the waves.
    >8-Advanced Analytical Processor
    Twice? It must be her old neuroprocessor smarts coming through to keep her from being completely dumb!
    >3- Multiprocessor
    Well that settles it, the dumb is just a split-personality thing that happens to be the dominant one due to trauma.

    So basically Rasp is an ex-(whatever transformers use for S.E.A.Ls, a Wrecker I think?) aquatic-ops medic, who was also a smuggler of sorts. One day after a bad deal, she was double-crossed (or perhaps caught) and was blasted to the point of termination. However! Her mutant spark allowed her to cling to life long enough for her to repair herself with Junkion parts. Unfortunately the strain of self-surgery combined with betrayal caused her mind to break, giving her multiple personalities: The new "innocent and timid" Rasp and the old "Kick-Ass and full of secrets" Rasp.

    I think this character is workable, but if I didn't roll it just now, I would swear it was a borderline Mary-Sue.
    >> Rasp 01/05/12(Thu)06:56 No.17431152
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    I would imagine it to be like one of those Science Subs, only Orange.

    Something kind of like this.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)07:04 No.17431177
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    Thunderbird 4, Best Thunderbird.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)07:25 No.17431285
    I'm going with this.

    Now I want to go backwards, think of an interesting alt-mode then create a Transformer around it. The rest of the Thunderbirds would be fun- and FAB 1 of course.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)12:18 No.17432501
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    Haha! This game is already so much fun. Buzzclaw, could you post all the rules in a text file or word doc so that people don't have to go through all the greentext to understand the tables?
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)13:23 No.17432919
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    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)14:04 No.17433165
    Sorry. I'll try to upload a condensed pre-alpha rules later today.

    I haven't written the skill descriptions yet :/

    Here's a list of them tho;

    I was already thinking of guys like Devastator but I hadn't consider Sky-Lynx and the dudes from Victory.

    The Destron/Japanicons might make an appearance in the beta fluff.

    Very interesting. If you don't mind, I'd like to use this in the full rules once I hve the combiners worked out.

    No wiki as of yet, just sup /tg/
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)14:37 No.17433411

    Rare Ability Descriptions;

    Extra Alt Mode
    -You can transform into an additional alt mode. Select one other alt mode, you can now gain it in addition to your other alt mode(s).

    Mutant Spark
    -Whether through experimentation, mutation, or a freak accident, your spark is immortal. You will survive the destruction of your body and can possess other occupied or unoccupied bodies. Taking over a sparkless body is an auto-success; Taking over an occupied body requires competing Intelligence test between the Possessor and the Possessee. If the target wins the test, the possession attempt fails. If the Possessor wins the test, the attempt succeeds. The Possessee may make a Courage test every hour to eject the alien presence.

    Internal Fusion Reactor
    -Your systems incorporate a dangerous, powerful Fusion Reactor. You no longer need to consume Energon. You become immune to radiation damage and can redirect excess internal energy as blasts (effectively, you can never be disarmed). But you also give off an unhealthy amount of radiation. For every hour someone spends within close range to you, they must make an Endurance test. Failure mean that they take 1d10 radiation damage.

    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)15:12 No.17433737
    bump for more goodness
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)15:15 No.17433773

    Portable Drones
    -You have built-in storage for two small drones (detailed in the equipment section). You start play with any 2 drones for free.

    Holograms, Advanced
    -As Holograms, Simple except the number of Holograms you can create are equal to 2 x the tens digit of your Intelligence (i.e. 90 Intelligence means up to 18 Transformer-sized holograms). Also, the number of minutes you can remain invisble is equal to Endurance score.

    Cloning, Multiple
    -As Cloning, Single but you can create a number of clones equal to the ten digit of your Endurance score (i.e. 90 Endurance means up to 9 clones)

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)15:28 No.17433865

    Extra Robot Mode
    -You have an alternate robot mode. Although it share the colors and alt mode kibble of your regular robot mode, it is sufficiently different that you can pass for another individual. Your voice also changes slightly when in this hidden robot mode.

    -Whether for military or recreational reasons, you are equipped with flight capabilities in robot mode (and alt mode if the GM deems it fitting).
    A character with flight ignores movement penalties due to ground terrain.
    >insert tables and stuff in here

    End of Rare Abilities
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)15:30 No.17433886
    so are you comeing out with all this stuff by yourself op?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)15:40 No.17433958
    Yes. The only exception is the "background" concept, which came from another anon.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)16:40 No.17434423
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    Extra bump. I'll post some more stuff in a few hours.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)19:54 No.17436462
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    And another bump for you!
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)20:33 No.17436850
    Just some stats I was throwing around for the 17 other Alt modes.

    I was trying to net a +10 or +20 in stats or abilities gained from Alt Mode.


    4. Plane, Nimble (Fighters)
    -Get +20 Speed and Flight, but -20 Endurance while in Alt Mode
    5. Plane, Heavy (Passenger jets, Bombers)
    -Get Flight and +10 Endurance, but -10 speed while in Alt Mode
    6. Monster, Ground
    -Get +10 Skill, +10 Strength and -10 Intelligence while in Alt Mode
    7. Monster, Air
    -Get Flight and +10 Speed, but -10 Endurance and -10 Intelligence while in Alt Mode
    8. Monster, Sea
    -Get +20 Speed only in water, -10 Intelligence and Aquatic Adaptation while in Alt Mode
    9. Boat, Civilian
    -Get +20 Speed only in water while in Alt Mode
    10. Boat, Military
    -Get +10 Speed only in water, +10 Firepower while in Alt Mode
    11. Spacecraft
    -Get Flight and the ability to Maneuver/Travel in the depths of Space.
    12. Military Vehicle, Light (Humvees, APCs)
    -Get +10 Speed, Endurance, and Firepower, but -10 Intelligence
    13. Military Vehicle, Heavy (Tanks)
    -Get +20 Firepower and +20 endurance, but -20 Speed and -10 Intelligence

    14. Car, Truck
    -Get +10 endurance and +10 Courage,
    15. Car, Sedan
    -Get +10 Speed and +10 Courage,
    16. Car, Mini
    -Get +20 Speed and +10 skill but -10 Endurance and -10 Courage
    17. Car, Van
    -Get +10 Speed and +10 strength
    18. Trailer Truck
    -Get +20 Endurance and +20 Courage, but -20 Firepower
    19. Animal, Giant Sea
    -Get +10 Speed only in water, +10 Strength -10 Intelligence and Aquatic Adaptation while in Alt Mode
    20. Animal, Giant Air
    -Get Flight and +10 to Speed and Strength but -10 to endurance and -30 to Intelligence
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)20:44 No.17436947
    You actually nailed the vast majority of what I was going to do, especially regarding aerial/aquatic alts. I was going to make Monsters slightly stronger and stupider than animals (the "Monsters" category encompasses the Dinobots for instance). But many thanks anon.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)20:49 No.17437001
    rolled 3, 5, 3, 1, 3, 7, 4 = 26

    Right, I'm just gonna roll something up and try to explain it.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)20:53 No.17437043
    rolled 18 = 18

    -Strength 27
    -Intelligence 45
    -Speed 27
    -Endurance 9
    -Courage 27
    -Firepower 63
    -Skill 36

    Alright, so a weak, intelligent, slow, squishy, cowardly Transformer with a big gun. Wonderful.

    Rolling for Alt-Mode
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)20:54 No.17437049
    rolled 1 = 1

    So, an intelligent, but squishy Trailer Truck?

    Rolling for gender.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)20:56 No.17437072
    rolled 8, 9 = 17

    Alright, chickformer Trailer Truck. Rollin' for Colour.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)20:58 No.17437095
    rolled 5 = 5

    White and Grey. Kind of...boring. Rolling for background.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)21:00 No.17437129
    rolled 2, 10 = 12

    Alright, so an intelligent Medic who isn't on the frontline. Makes sense. Trailer Truck for transport capability, I guess. Rolling for Uncommon/Common abilities, in that order.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)21:02 No.17437148
    rolled 10, 6 = 16

    Rolling for extra common abilities.

    Extra Alt Mode? I'll roll for that next.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)21:04 No.17437165
    rolled 9 + 1 = 10

    Aquatic Adaptation...on a Trailer Truck?
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)21:04 No.17437170
    >Extra Alt Mode? I'll roll for that next.
    But you can't, you need to roll an extra common ability since another 10?
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)21:08 No.17437203
    Advanced Sensor Array, alright, makes sense. Long-Ranged fighter/medic.

    And Extra Alt mode is Giant Animal?

    Alright, so let's think about this. A squishy, water-adapted Trailer-Truck/Giant Animal Medic with lots of Firepower and an Advanced Sensor Array.

    I can't even figure out how to justify this.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)21:12 No.17437245
    Uncommon Abilities

    Aquatic Adaptation
    -Through special sealants and selective frame-lightening, you can interact with aquatic enviroments more easily. Speed penalties for being underwater are reduced by 25% (There is usually a -50% penalty to Speed when underwater). If this ability is obtained twice, you suffer no penalty to your speed while underwater.

    -You have a separate processor core dedicated to a specific task. Select one skill. While your multiprocessor is active you experience a personality change but you become incredibly focused, adding +10 to all difficulties when using the selected skill and completing task related to that skill in half the usual time. You can activate your multiprocessor as free action.

    Redunant Support Systems
    -You are equiped with redundant backups and supports for critical systems that keep you on you feet even when you've been blown to hell.
    You ignore the Damaged and Critically Damaged conditions. Also, you are immune to critical hits.

    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)21:12 No.17437251
    Pleasure to contribute.


    Did you have written explanations for the common and uncommon traits like what you've spelled out for the rare traits?
    i.e what dose aquatic adaptation actually mean stat wise

    Further, how do skill rolls work? Are they stat dependent? what's the difference between a favored and unfavored skill roll?
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)21:15 No.17437278
    A heavily armed deep sea emergency medical transport... it's not so much that the idea doesn't work, but you'd need to invent an unusual context for it to make sense in.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)21:17 No.17437305
    Aww bad readiny, my apologies
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)21:18 No.17437316
    Comes from a water-dominant planet?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)21:20 No.17437329
    You don't actually have to roll for alt modes.

    Typing up uncommon abilities right now.
    Skills are linked to a stat (like Leadership is linked to Courage).
    Skill tests are done by rolling 1d100, success is based on the roll-under method.
    Favored skills test against the full stat (so 90 Courage + Leadership as a favored skill= success on a roll of 90 or less)
    Unfavored skills test against half the stat (so 90 Courage /2 for Leadership as an unfavored skill= success on a roll of 45 or less)
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)21:36 No.17437484

    Holograms, Simple
    -You have an array of holo-projectors built-in to your chasis. You can create a number of normal Transformer-sized Holograms equal to the tens digit of your Intelligence (i.e. 90 Intelligence means up to 9 Transformer-sized holograms).
    At the GM's discretion, you may combine many small holograms into a large one.
    You can also turn invisible, gaining complete concealment from all visual senses.
    You can remain invisible for a number of equal to half of your Endurance score.
    You cannot use both functions of this ability at once.

    -You can create a solid-light duplicate of yourself. This duplicate can be created as an attack action. The clone has all of your stats and is absolutely, blindly loyal to you. It's max HP is equal to 25% of your HP when you create it and half of all damage dealt to the clone is also dealt to you. You can maintain a clone's existence for a number of minutes equal to the tens digit of your Endurance stat.

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)21:44 No.17437577
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    Taking a brief break.
    Teleportation, Cerebro Shells, and Junkion coming up.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)21:50 No.17437640
    That works, but anything where there is a lot of underwater action will do... or alternatively, it can be an deep water recovery for wounded transformers from under or over water battles. The trailer aspect would be for hauling the wounded to the surface and from the scene. This also works if it is recovering deeps sea artifacts of whatever kind. The firepower means it would serve as a water based firing platform during battle situations and can defend itself if threatened during searching and exploration.

    Salvage would be a good name for it, but that may be taken already.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)21:54 No.17437678
    >Salvage would be a good name for it, but that may be taken already.
    But there's plenty of room for characters with the same name. Deluge, Dreadwing, and Prowl spring to mind.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)22:26 No.17437947
    >inb4 Teleportation out of order

    -You are equiped with built-in transmat devices. You can teleport a number of meters equal to your Speed as a move action. You can Teleport into an area you can see or through solid objects. If you end your teleportion within a solid object, both you and the object take 1d10 x 10 damage.

    Cerebro Shells
    -You carry mind controlling wepon shells. You can load a Cerebro shell as an Attack action. If you successfully deal damage, You and the target make competing Intelligence tests. If you win, the target falls under your control, otherwise the shell is wasted. A controlled target is completely obediant to you to the best of its intellectual capacity. The target may make a Courage or Intelligence test every 30 minutes to break your control.

    -Your systems are surprisingly eager to except scrap and melted parts. You can theoretically be repaired using any low-grade metals or broken parts. Furthermore, all Repair tests made that target you receive +20 difficulty.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)22:32 No.17438005
    That's it for tonight.
    Started compiling the rules into a pamphlet (?)
    I shall do the Common Abilities and possibly some skills tomorrow.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)23:01 No.17438277
    rolled 10, 3, 7, 8, 6, 9, 1 = 44


    now rolling for funsies.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)23:08 No.17438349
    rolled 9 = 9

    10, 3, 7, 8, 6, 9, 1

    STR 90
    INT 27
    SPE 63
    END 72
    COU 54
    FIR 81
    SKI 9

    Already sounding like a lunkheaded, reckless, trigger happy soldier grunt. Rolling for alt mode.
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    rolled 8 = 8

    Dammit, rolled a d10... though the thought of a trigger happy yacht does amuse me. Aw, hell, why not.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)23:15 No.17438423
    rolled 2 = 2

    wth d20

    Gender here, forgot to do it last post. I guess I'm roll-retarded right now.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)23:19 No.17438458
    rolled 4, 8, 9 = 21

    STR 90
    INT 27
    SPE 63
    END 72
    COU 54
    FIR 81
    SKI 9

    HP 144

    Civi boat, male. Now for the two colors and history, in that order.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)23:22 No.17438485
    >Skill 9
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    >>Sir Sernovid

    Or, yeah, that could be a badass name too, Captcha.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/05/12(Thu)23:27 No.17438555
    I need to rethink the Skill system. The Skill stat should figure into it somehow.
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)23:28 No.17438563
    rolled 7, 4, 2 = 13

    Green/white luxury yacht. Criminal. Yeah, I can see this.

    Uncommon abilities comin up
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)23:33 No.17438640
    Good man, I christen my yacht Sir Sernovid because you made me laugh.

    7- cloning, single - k.

    4- redundant support systems - aw, fuck yeah

    2- aquatic adaptation - THE SYSTEM KNOWS
    >> Anonymous 01/05/12(Thu)23:43 No.17438748

    this raises a deep, compelling desire in my soul to play shadowrun.
    >> Sir Vid 01/05/12(Thu)23:54 No.17438863
    What have I created. Also, "sir" entitles immediate British accent.
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    Since SANIC didn't work so well for me, here's another Decepticreep to round things out...

    NAME: Stormrider

    Strength: 54
    Intelligence: 90
    Speed: 18
    Endurance: 45
    Courage: 45
    Firepower: 90
    Skill: 90

    Alt Mode: Stealth Bomber

    Gender: Male

    Colors: Black with Yellow highlights

    HP: 90

    History: Engineer (Favored Skills: Science, Tech)

    Uncommon Ability: Multiprocessor

    Common Ability: Advanced Analytical Processor

    I'm imagining this guy as some kind of mad decepticon weapons specialist who sits in his lab trying to find new and amazing ways of making things EXPLODE.
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)00:08 No.17439001
    Maybe as like a check penalty sort of thing? i.e. Skill 30 - 40 = +2 on all skill checks

    yeah idk, throwing ideas around.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)00:14 No.17439068
    atm I'm thinking;
    For favored skills you can test vs the highest between the Skill stat or the connected stat (Courage for leadership)
    For unfavored skills you have to pick the lowest of the two.
    I guess.
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)00:22 No.17439155
    You're going to have to flesh that out a little more, but for some reason I like where it's going.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)00:28 No.17439224
    To clarify my shitty writing you can choose from two stats to test against. For favored skills you get to use the best of the two, for unfavored skill you're stuck using the worst of the two.
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)00:39 No.17439341
    Sounds cool. So where does the skill stat actually work into that equation? Unless the skill stat has to be one of the two stats that you choose.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)00:42 No.17439378
    The Skill stat is indeed one of the two you have to choose between.
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)01:01 No.17439576
    Alright, I get it now. Sounds solid : )
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)01:17 No.17439712
    Hey, sorry I wasn't here for a while.
    Yeah, everything I write, gestalt spark stuff, location descriptions and such, can be used for this if you think they're up to scratch.
    If you have requests, feel free to ask for them.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)01:36 No.17439895
    Are you the same anon who did the write-ups on Kaon and the Sonic Canyons?
    >> Rasp 01/06/12(Fri)01:45 No.17439969
    Shouldn't boats have aquatic adaptation?

    I think it's kind of strange that such a high number of the trasformers rolled have the aquatic adaptation and/or boat alt-modes.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)01:47 No.17439996
    Yeah, I am.
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)01:49 No.17440011
    I agree but hey, the die don't lie
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)02:00 No.17440109
    Boats actually will have Aquatic Adaptation. I'm thinking that boat/seaformers' AquAdaptaion only applies in alt mode. Rolling it up as separate ability means you're also adapted in robot mode.
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)02:17 No.17440252
    Works for me
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    Interesting thing about War For Cybertron is it shows how different two characters using the same mold can be. The front of the hood becoming the torso in robot mode, the identical design to the legs, the 6 valve engine rising to be placed just behind the head and the engine block in front of it splitting to reveal the head.

    Still, they look remarkably different due to all their little individual touches.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)05:26 No.17441290
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    The same thing occurs with the leader mold.

    We've got Optimus, Motormaster and Ultra Magnus, all with the basic truck form, and Transformation.
    6 wheels, the 4 rear ones ending up on the back of the legs. The two larger front wheels ending up on the shoulders or near them.
    The front of the truck becomes the torso, with the two windows being promenantly displayed, although the bumper is lowered to become the crotch.
    The arms in vehicle mode are located between the front and rear wheels, facing upwards.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)10:29 No.17442614
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    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)12:01 No.17443180

    In the Japanese Headmasters series, the Autobot Headmaster heads were human-sized robots who left Cybertron during the wars before Transformers started transforming. Instead of learning to transform their bodies and becoming giants, the headmasters built transforming bodies that they could pilot by transforming into heads or by driving the alt modes.

    Different head/body combinations produced different stats for tge Headmasters, so they swapped bodies a lot. You could represent this by dividing the character stats in half between head-bot and body. When head and body are combined, the complete bot is just the sum of the two sets of stats.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)12:25 No.17443374
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    Morning bump.

    Material will be kinda light today. Common abilities will be up this afternoon/night.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)13:17 No.17443749
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    Posting a bit of stuff I did a few months ago:

    Back in the first Golden Age, Cybertronians were expected to be scientists, artists, and warriors at the same time. It was a time of polymaths and omnidisciplarians.
    To make sure all cybertronians were able to fight, there was the "Trial by fire", when they were no longer protoforms, and had chosen their alt-mode, the cybertronian was led to an entrance to the ancient tunnels below the surface of cybertron.

    The idea was that each candidate would spend 10 orns (a cybertronian week) down in the depths, surviving by their cunning and skills. Then they would return, and be regarded as adults.

    Things were made more difficult with the emergence of the Mutants.
    Cybertronian physiology is known to have a self-repair system, that when foreign metals are used in repairs, will alter their composition into the native cybertronian allies.
    However, these self-repair systems can malfunction when exposed to high levels of radiation, such as those found deep within the surface of Cybertron.
    The mutants are the end result of a cybertronian on their trial, spending too long, too deep within the surface, their self-repair systems stop adapting the repaired materials, leaving them in their original format, rendering their bodies horrifying junkheaps, with random wheels, limbs, or other parts hanging off.
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    Lacking any method of reproduction, the mutants would capture those on their trial by fire, drag them down into the deeps, until their systems had corroded and turned them into mutants as well.

    During the Warlord Period, after the end of the first Golden Age, the Trial by Fire was banned by the warlord Gladiaron, who was enraged by the loss of his warriors in such a manner.

    In the place of the Trials, he instituted brutal arena fights, which although destructive, rarely resulted in death.
    The cybertronians named these arena bouts "Gladitorial combat" in his honour, and he is regarded as an ancestor of the modern Decepticon movement.

    As for the mutants? With the source of new recruits gone, they began sending small raiding groups to the surface, snatching what cybertronians they could find, usually preying on those alone, or too weak to resist.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)13:49 No.17443933
    Wow. That's pretty nifty. It even helps to explain why enlightened cities like Iacon have Gladiators. Nice touch with Gladiaron too.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)14:13 No.17444086
    Out of curiosity, how are planning to deal with weapons and the like?

    The simplest way I can think of doing is to set it up so that each body part has at least one, perhaps two, 'mod' slots for customization. That way, a ranged weapon could be mounted on the shoulder or on the arms, and could even be damaged during combat, leading to penalties. Alternatively, a mod could also add extra abilities or improve existing ones - head mounted slots could be filled with a holographic projector or a sensor mod, which improve ranged damage.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)14:29 No.17444194
    Weapons were going to be kinda rules-lite. Every PC comes with a ranged weapon that can be disarmed and a melee weapon that can't be disarmed. There will be an equipment section tho, and it will include drones, tools, and unusual weapons like Cliffjumpers bigass bazoooka.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)14:31 No.17444210
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    >> dice+3d10 Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)14:50 No.17444318
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    Looks like Crusader Alpha has a mad scientist to play his white (black) knight against.

    Rollan for Uncommon Ability Table.

    I pick Leadership and Stealth as skills if that's the full list.

    Also, >>17424760
    is me.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)14:54 No.17444351
    rolled 4, 1, 9 = 14

    One of these days I'm going to get the field right on the first try.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)14:59 No.17444384
    The fact that you didn't get Aquatic Adaptation is promising.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)15:04 No.17444431
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    rolled 2 = 2


    But ... I don't want to be a Junkion ...

    Sigh. Rollan on common ability chart.
    I must question why rolling a ten makes you roll on the common ability chart rather than the rare one. Surely 9 is the best you can roll other than 10.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)15:08 No.17444458
    Energy efficient. Okay. I can live with this.

    Still butthurting over Junkions though. The fact that every Transformer of Criminal background (or rather every transformer that rolls on the uncommon abilities table) has a 10% chance of being a Junkion seems a little off. The junkions were REALLY uncommon and only in G1 IIRC.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)15:16 No.17444534
    Junkions aren't literal bahweepgrahnahweepminibong Junkions. It just means you can rebuild yourself using old busted stuff instead of refined technology.
    Like the Cartoon Combaticons could theoretically have the Junkion ability since they were built using old abandoned military vehicles.
    But your complaint has been noted.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)15:21 No.17444580
    Okay, I can live with that.

    Perhaps a different name, and use Junkions as an example of some people that have it?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)15:23 No.17444599
    1d10 x 9 seems like an awfully big randomized range. If you roll a 1 on skill and get 10 skill to start you'll have a hard time hitting anything, whereas if you luck out with a 9 on character creation then you'll never miss.

    Considering this looks like a percentile dice system I'd suggest changing stat generation so it gives a range of 30 - 60 instead of 10 - 90.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)15:26 No.17444628
    Posible changes to abilities;
    -Removal of AquAdapt, Junkion, Cerebro-Shells, and Portable Drones
    -Revision of 10 result for ability tables
    --Common: Roll on Uncommon table
    --Uncommon: Roll on Rare table
    --Rare: Roll twice on Rare table
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)15:30 No.17444663

    Personally I don't think it's just that you can roll a 1 and get only 10. It's also that you can roll a 9. Like I said, it's a good idea to try and moderate the range.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)15:37 No.17444736
    The formula mainly exists for ease of NPC conversion.

    For example, Blitzwing;
    Strength 8
    Intelligence 5
    Speed 9
    Endurance 8
    Courage 7
    Firepower 7
    Skill 7

    Multiply those tech spec numbers by nine...
    Strength 72
    Intelligence 45
    Speed 81
    Endurance 72
    Courage 63
    Firepower 63
    Skill 63

    >Different name
    Scrap-master? Hybrid Systems?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)15:41 No.17444779
    rolled 10, 10, 7, 1, 4, 9, 5 = 46

    Here i go
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)15:46 No.17444826
    rolled 3 = 3

    rerolling for endurance
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)15:55 No.17444908
    I might implement a "mercy rule" for stat generation.
    Something like;
    -if you roll a 2 or 1 when generating your ability scores, you may re-roll that die.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)15:56 No.17444918
    Hybrid systems sounds good.
    Versatile construction?
    Universal Manufacturing?
    Standardised Joints?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)15:57 No.17444934
    Fun thing is, according to the shattered glass fiction, most of the repair work is done by their repair systems. The replacement limb or organ is absorbed by the body.

    “Basic Cybertronian medical science,” Starscream replied as he continued Blitzwing’s examination.
    “Introduce non-living plastics or metals into the body, the surrounding systems break them down, rebuild them into Cybertronian technomatter, and integrate them into the larger mechanism. We break a rotator or slip a gear, we can replace it, and after a short while it becomes living circuitry like the rest of us.”
    Arkeville nodded. “Like human flesh converting sterile coral into living bone.”

    As such, maybe use something like "Repair Nanites" or something.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)15:59 No.17444952
    Love the Star Trek explanation at the end there.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)15:59 No.17444953
    Emergency Repairs?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)16:02 No.17444980
    Yeah, even though it's not the most commonly known practice, and seriously awesome.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)16:57 No.17445432
    Repostan my updated sheet as an elaborate bump.

    >Name: Crusader Alpha
    >Altmode: Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird
    (Plane, Nimble? Spacecraft?)
    90 Strength
    90 Intelligence
    90 Speed
    72 Endurance
    63 Courage
    9 Firepower (Maybe reroll)
    63 Skill

    Lone Gunbot

    Leadership, Stealth.

    Redundant Support Abilites
    Junkion/Hybrid Systems
    Energy Efficient (Maybe reroll on Rare Ability Table)
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)16:59 No.17445441
    Thansformers: The Rollout?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)17:22 No.17445704
    More locations!

    Vos and Tarn are two city states with a long and entwined history.
    Vos was an orbital state, a miracle of scientific research, it hovered above cybertron's surface, visable for miles around as a shining beacon of intellectualism. Inhabited almost entirely of cybertronians with aerial alternate modes, the city was often regarded as a haven for the elite, or those who thought themselves that.
    Tarn on the other hand, was a martial state, ruled by those strong in arms, and those harsh in temperment.
    Many of its populace joined the elite guard, and even it's auxiliary troopers were easily spotted by the cyclopean helmets they wore.

    Due to their contrasting civic attitudes, and their neighbouring borders, it was only natural that Vos and Tarn would fight. With border clashes between Vos' Elite Seeker squadrons, and Tarns Wrecker garrisons causing the other city states to become anxious, a forced peace was imposed upon them by Iacon. Proposing that the ill feeling between both states be channeled into a series of Gladitorial and Athletic matches. These "Intercity-state games" or "State Games" for short, became major tourist attractions, and ampitheatres were soon set up in every city state to attempt to replicate them.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)17:23 No.17445711
    During the rise of the Decepticons, the twin cities met with unfortunate fates.
    In the midst of the State Games, photonic missiles from Tarn's military command center were fired directly at Vos' reactor center.
    The orbital city's shields failed to intercept the missiles, causing the reactor to suffer a catastrophic meltdown, this chain reaction resulted in the city of Vos plumeting down to crush Tarn.
    Later investigation, backed up with first hand survivor testimony suggests that both the attack, and Vos' descent trajectory were preplanned, deliberately to take out both city states.
    The Decepticons were quick to blame Iacon, and seized the ruins of the cities to place them under their "protection", with the Scientist and Military Commander Shockwave becoming their joint govener.

    A few survivors of both the attacks, and Shockwave's crackdowns afterwards, drifted north, to Iacon. Becoming the formation of both the Aerialbots, and the Wreckers sub-factions. Although traditional rivals, both are so intently anti-decepticon that they have put their pasts behind them.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)17:33 No.17445794
    Name: Back blast
    Gender: male
    -Strength 90
    -Intelligence 80
    -Speed 73
    -Endurance 37
    -Courage 36
    -Firepower 91
    -Skill 50

    HP: 74

    Alt mode: Military Armored vehicle

    Colors: Grey and blue

    History: Sentry

    Common: Internal tools

    Uncommon: Multiprocessor

    Rare: Internal fusion reactor
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)18:03 No.17446056
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    HA ... Back blast ...
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)18:16 No.17446179
    Name: (I wish I could think of one.)
    Gender: female
    -Strength 90
    -Intelligence 54
    -Speed 63
    -Endurance 90
    -Courage 27
    -Firepower 81
    -Skill 90

    HP: 180

    Alt mode: Military Vehicle, Light

    Colors: Red and Teal

    History: Commoner

    Utilitarian Frame
    Advanced Analytical Processor
    Communication Hub

    The dice gods more or less love me when I'm creating a character, as long as it'll never see gameplay. So she's a far from brave commoner, but a total beast if forced into combat. I can live with this.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)18:26 No.17446291
    Hmm, female... military communications.
    How about "Switchboard", in reference to the communications workers who joined the Signal Corps. Commonly known as "Hello Girls".
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)18:34 No.17446367
    Switchboard is an awesome name.
    How about something like "Uplink?" or "Comsat?"
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)18:35 No.17446385
    i saw what you did there and i approve
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)18:44 No.17446470
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    Alright. One more, and this one's going to be an autobot. I can't believe how much fun I'm having rolling up robot toy dudes.

    Strength: 90
    Intelligence: 9
    Speed: 18
    Endurance: 90
    Courage: 63
    Firepower: 81
    Skill: 36

    Alt Mode: Trailer Truck (+20 END/COUR, -20 FIRE)
    Type: Cybertronian truck/big ass Mack truck

    History: Soldier

    Gender: Male

    Body Colors: Green on Green (Camo?)

    Favored Skill: Throwing Stuff

    Abilities: Simple Holograms, Junkion

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you BACKBREAKER. I figure he was once a lot smarter than he is now, only some Decepticon captured him for an experiment to see how much of a 'bot's brain could be removed and still be functional. I guess he's just given routine guarding duties right now because of his... shortcomings. He also talks in one-word sentences, like "GUARD," "HI," "YEAH," and, when he's mad, "PURPLEFACE!" Also, he likes throwing bots. A lot.

    ... I REALLY want to play Backbreaker now.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)18:46 No.17446499
    I love it, but instead of one-word answers he should talk in short military phrases.

    Every question is answered with "ROGER!" "NO SIR!" or "YES DRILL SAR-GENT!"
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)18:47 No.17446508
    That said, I am totally down whenever you need a test-player. I'll keep my eye on the boards.
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)18:50 No.17446538

    Nah. I'm thinking of him more of a gentle Frankenstein creature who doesn't quite get anything.

    "Shit, Decepticons at the front door. We need a distraction if we're going to get in."


    "Backbreaker, what're you-"


    And that was how Backbreaker invented Cybertronian bowling.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)18:53 No.17446570
    You know, I'm a bit suprised that, given this is /tg/, there hasn't been an attempt at using the Dark Heresy rules as a base.
    I mean, the stats work pretty well. Strength for Strength, Intelligence for Intelligence, Toughness for Endurance, Agility for Speed, Willpower for Courage.
    The others are slightly less easy, but I could easily see Weapon Skill being skill, Ballistic Skill for Firepower. Fellowship and Perception don't have any obvious stand ins.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)18:54 No.17446583
    He can still go all military mindset when receiving orders from superiors. And he should follow them as well as he knows how, that would keep him from being dangerously random all the time. Of course him taking things too literally and things like what you described keeps him being fun.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)18:54 No.17446593
    Hah, believe it or not, that exists.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)18:55 No.17446605
    i want to play this. Right the fudge now.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)18:58 No.17446630
    And now I have too many great options to choose from!
    This is why I love you guys.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)19:03 No.17446683
    Okay, that DOES sound awesome. I take it back.>>17446630
    You're welcome, bro.
    >> Backblast 01/06/12(Fri)19:18 No.17446849
    Can we choose what our alignment can be?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)19:22 No.17446887
    1] Take Battletech
    2] Incorporate LAM transforming rules for all types
    4] A ready made TF RPG
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)19:35 No.17447055
    Yes, faction allegiance is up to the players.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)19:44 No.17447156
    So here's what I think we're missing so far:

    >System for determining actions/skills
    >Weapons (types, damage, range, special types, etc)
    >Armor (???)
    >Fluff, because I know you guys wanna write about your characters, because that's what /tg/'s best at.

    Any other suggestions?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)19:45 No.17447174
    Uhm... combiners? You know that Constructicons and all that. Seems hard to balance but it could be fun.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)19:59 No.17447339
    Alt Modes need more statting
    Random equipment/gadgets
    Enviromental Conditions
    And mabe a Flaws system.

    There actually is quite a bit of fluff in the last thread, and this thread has lots of stuff by Fluffanon.
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)20:05 No.17447396

    Hrrrrm. Well, in that case, I can start by at least throwing in some weapons... let's see...


    Whoafuck. I forsee a spreadsheet with dice values in our near future, gentlemen.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)20:12 No.17447464
    If weapons must be defined (not sure they do) I reckon it'd be easy to narrow them down into broad catagories like "Laser," "Missile" or "Stick for hitting people."
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)20:15 No.17447499

    Okay. The way I see it, weapons are broken down into a few major types:

    1. Pistols - Usually used by smaller cons/bots, probably don't have a lot of punch and don't aim well, but a high rate of fire.
    2. Rifles - Used by bigger bots and can either be hand-held or attached to the frame. More damage but slower to fire.
    3. Grenade Launchers - Same as rifles, but can be loaded with acid pellets, incendiary pellets, darkness pellets, etc... basically, area of effect weapons. Low rate of fire.
    4. Cannons - BIG GUNS. Slow to fire and slow to recharge, but you don't have to aim so much as point it at the target and watch it disappear.
    5. Special Weapons - Weapons like the glass ray, goo gun, anti-thermal cannon, fog missile, or anything that doesn't do damage outright but hampers enemy movement.
    6. Melee Weapons - Swords, axes, flails, whips, what have you.

    I figure every character should have at least one ranged weapon and one melee weapon that are "part" of their frame, and additional weapons can be attached and/or carried. What say you?
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)20:19 No.17447535

    Also, I say the higher a person's firepower is, the more weapons they can have slaved to their system without major overload or something. So a courier bot with a firepower of 36 might be able to have three weapon "slots", but a tank with a firepower of 90 might have nine. The bigger the weapon, the bigger the slot it takes up. Pistols and rifles take up one slot, grenade launchers and special weapons two, cannons three, and melee none.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)20:20 No.17447543
    Buzzclaw; you are a king among men. This is FANTASTIC. I will gladly help you playtest the hell out of this thing and eagerly look forward to the "Operating Manual".
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)20:21 No.17447554
    How 'bout shields ...?

    Y'know ... because I know a bunch of people that aren't me totally would like one.
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)20:23 No.17447576

    Sure! Maybe someone could sacrifice a weapons slot for extra armor or a shield or something? Like, 1 slot used for armor translates into +20 temporary hitpoints?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)20:34 No.17447682
    Great ideas here. As for the built-in ranged weapon, maybe the player could apply a template to boost damage or increase the number of attacks per round.

    Thanks. It's not all my work tho, especially on the some fluff. Playtesting should be soon, maybe next week?
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)20:35 No.17447691
    Shields weren't ever that common if I recall. Most Cybertronians were content to shoot each other, and those that did engage in extended melee either knew how to block and dodge or they died horrible deaths.

    Extra armor I could see, though.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)20:36 No.17447704
    Well I'm still impressed. And I'm always around; I work from home so it's not like I don't have access to a computer(except Wednesday nights when I hit the LGS).
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)20:37 No.17447715



    Also, thanks. I still like the idea of "slots," by the way. These are robots who integrate things into them instead of carrying around backpacks, so having "slots" to fill would be a big bonus for customization/weapons/carrying new equipment/combining with other bots?
    >> Backblast 01/06/12(Fri)20:38 No.17447723
    Default weaponry is acceptable if it based on the characters history.
    I think shields should count as a off hand add on

    >captcha: rummft parts
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)20:46 No.17447825

    Alright, how about: Soldiers, Sentries, Spies and Criminals get default ranged weapons they don't have to pay a slot/equipment space/"creds" for, and everyone starts off with a "built-in" melee weapon as part of Cybertron's long and martial history (and to make sure they're not completely defenseless in case of being robomugged.)
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)20:46 No.17447826
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    Yeah, slots would be really good. It also allows for arm mounted weapons like Megatron's fusion cannon.

    Here; have some Ecto-1 awesomeness.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)20:51 No.17447881
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    Just because something isn't common doesn't mean it should be in the game.
    It should just be uncommon.

    Pictured: A Shield made out of a car roof (and glass. Figure that one out.)
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)20:52 No.17447886
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    Hey, do we have a name for this game yet? I vote for:

    >> Backblast 01/06/12(Fri)20:52 No.17447894
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)20:53 No.17447913
    Good point. I was just having a rough time recalling shields being used outside the new films(and even then I can only recall Optimus using one in DotM).
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)20:54 No.17447916

    I'm cool with shields. More than one autobot's had one. Maybe they're a special type of armor that gives, say, a great bonus to your HP, but since it's so intrinsic to a character, it permanently eats up two slots and can't be removed. That way you can get a kick-ass shield, but it doesn't unbalance the game too much.
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/06/12(Fri)20:55 No.17447926
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    I don't think all weapons should be relegated to "backup" status, though. They should be equal/have some advantage compared to guns.

    Show the Nunchuck-users some love.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)20:57 No.17447956
    Melee is usually a back-up, though. When you have laser guns you generally want to kill stuff from a distance before the sword swinging weirdo has a chance to get to you.

    Now of course that all depends on the character, as you're saying. I think being able to take a retractable arm blade would be tits.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)20:57 No.17447958
    Good ideas. Maybe each of those backgrounds might also have restrictions on weapon types?
    Also, concerning body slots, the ones that appear most in-fiction are
    Fort Max has leg guns but those are kinda unique.
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    Good tits or bad tits?

    'cause Magnaboss considers the Megaton Battle Sword to be Good tits.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)21:01 No.17448010
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    Fort Max is also HUGE. Arms, shoulders and back should be the most common regardless of body size. Could also have a head slot for extra equipment like communications gear or whatever.

    Leg's could still be used by having small slots which can store pistols and small weapons a la Robocop.
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)21:03 No.17448041

    You're reading my mind, OP.

    Okay. So: You have the same number of "slots" for weapons as your firepower / 9. Pistols/Rifles = 1 slot each, Grenade Launches/Special/Extra Armor = 2 slots each, Big Cannons = 3 slots each, first melee weapon's free, additional melee weapons = 1 slot each, and extra slots are usually relegated to the back and arms.

    Also, weapons restrictions:

    Commoners: Pistol/Rifle only
    Nobles: Pistol/Special only
    Sentry: Pistol/Rifle/Special only
    Politician: Pistol/Rifle/Cannon only
    Medtech: Pistol/Special only
    Engineer: Rifle/Special/Cannon only
    Soldier: All weapons
    Spy: Pistol/Special only
    Criminal: Pistol/Rifle/Cannon only

    I'm not sure I like the above list, but it's a start.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)21:05 No.17448071
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    Good tits. Like you get into a jam and you're stuck in melee and BOOM! A blade pops out of your arm and you shank someone.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)21:06 No.17448085
    On second thought, instead of detailing the Common Abilities I'm gonna try to compile most of the shit we already have.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)21:07 No.17448105
    >Transformers; The Transformening
    Should be "Transformers; The Disguisening"
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)21:09 No.17448130
    So is it just a set number of slots based on the stat, or are there certain numbers of slots you can have in certain places? Like you only have so many slots for arm mounted stuff, and so many for back mounted stuff?
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)21:11 No.17448166

    Honestly, I would say it's more of a personal preference, since it doesn't seem like the location of the slots would be a huge deal in game play. Unless we're specifically statting different areas of the body. In which case, we've got a LOT of crunching to do.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)21:13 No.17448191
    I would rather not do that level of crunch tbh.

    Quick fluff question; Should the Go-Bots be part of the Pre-History era?
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)21:13 No.17448194
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    Hmmmm, good point. I was just curious. Either way really works to me.
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)21:15 No.17448214


    Eh, I could go either way, op. On the one hand, it'd be funny to have the PCs make Go-bot related slurs, but on the other, the Go-bot stuff may detract from the setting. Your call, OP
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)21:15 No.17448217
    So my thought is to award some kind of generic abstracized "points" for completing adventures etc. Maybe not as consistent or plentiful as experience points, but something to that effect. And let people "buy" upgrades for their characters when they reach a sufficient amount of points. Possibly upgrade base stats, buy a new ability/perk or buy a new addon/armor/weapon/built-in-doodah?

    I was thinking of maybe calling them" Robot Points" after


    My apologies if something along this line has already been discussed, I haven't had time to thoroughly read the entire archive yet.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)21:15 No.17448219
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    No, just god no.
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)21:28 No.17448392
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    Nah, we haven't discussed it yet. But we're still working on a system, so XP should probably come a little later until we figure out how big the power creep's gonna be.
    >> Backblast 01/06/12(Fri)21:38 No.17448518
    Ok weapons seems to fitting but what about frame upgrades? Such as extra armor or power boost.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)21:38 No.17448521
    Whenever I see that all I can ever hear is the song playing in this video at 8:02.

    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)21:39 No.17448532
    Oops, closer to 8:08.
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)21:42 No.17448569

    Well, like I said, extra armor can be put into slots for, I dunno, 20 extra hp per two slots. Maybe additional armor can be added on later? As for power boosts... I got nothing. Suggestions?
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)21:43 No.17448592
    Well what kind of power boost we talking about? Something like a sudden surge of strength do deal some extra damage in melee or something like a burst of speed in vehicle mode?
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)21:46 No.17448616
    I return with my death yacht

    I feel like the Med needs a little something more, but that may just be me.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)21:51 No.17448660
    Well their medics, so they won't be full on fighters. Pistols seems about right. However, I will agree that maybe they also get rifles. Commoners should be limited to pistols and then able to get other stuff illegally.

    Your basic soldier would be carrying a rifle and a pistol.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)21:54 No.17448685
    Fuck me I can't type tonight.
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)21:55 No.17448692


    Hrm. I'd say boost up the medtech with some extra skill points, but we haven't even GOTTEN to skills, soooo...

    >Togyalk Jack,

    When you arrive, Captcha creates the most amazing names.
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)22:01 No.17448754
    Include a slight penalty for Medtech Rifle checks or some kind of related bonus for the fighter classes?

    We all have our nights
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)22:04 No.17448790
    Backbreaker sounds kinky + I'm liking the camo colors idea, haha
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)22:04 No.17448793

    I'll leave it to someone else, since I've kinda hijacked the thread. I'll just focus on the weapons for now. Anybody else have any ideas?
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)22:05 No.17448805
    Yeah. Medics aren't going to be quite as crack shots as a front line soldier. They know how to use a rifle to fight if they need to, but their primary programming is to fix the wounded. They basically get the minimal training to use their weapons, just enough to survive when shit hits the fan.
    >> Backblast 01/06/12(Fri)22:28 No.17448986
    I might switch my history to soldier maybe there can be a perk for soldiers to have one extra weapon slot
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)22:32 No.17449030
    I think once skills are done there'll be a lot more to work off of thematically.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)22:33 No.17449038
    Quick Survey for evaluation purposes;

    Which mechanics/ideas seem near-perfect?

    Which mechanics/ideas seem disjointed/half-baked?
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)22:38 No.17449082
    I suggest extending the list of skills, or at least posting an updated version with descriptors/perks/penalties for the preexisting skills. Need help with that or do you have it covered?
    >> Backbreaker 01/06/12(Fri)22:42 No.17449110

    The character creation is good and solid, although I'd like more special abilities to choose from. Say, 20 each instead of 10.

    Other than that, I'm just waiting on the system itself.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)22:42 No.17449116
    Kinda have it covered. I don't have it typed but I have a reasonably clear idea of the skills and skill system. I wonder if I should change the name from "skills" to "talents" so that they can't be confused with the Skill stat.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)22:44 No.17449134
    Or "Programs" if you want to go all robotic about it.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/12(Fri)22:45 No.17449142
    Yeah, I was getting a bit confused on that point.
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)22:50 No.17449203
    I like this. Programs, Specials, or Talents. Any of em would work.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)22:52 No.17449227
    The Problem is that it's hard to come up with/find abilities :(
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)22:54 No.17449245
    I'll brainstorm somethin : )
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)22:57 No.17449273
    A quick mock-up for the NPC Stat block;

    Favored Skills:


    Good format y/n?
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)23:00 No.17449293
    I wish I could be of more help but my brain is fried tonight for some reason(probably from typing a whole bunch of rules for my own wargame earlier so I could get it uploaded in the Homebrew thread we had).

    Some obvious programs, talents, what-have-yous would be stuff like Sniper, Commander, Infiltration(for those spies out there), and stuff like that.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)23:04 No.17449327
    derp, forgot Abilities.


    There's always tomorrow.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/06/12(Fri)23:07 No.17449353
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    Tomorrow night for me. I'll be spending most of the day down at the LGS playing some Dystopian Wars with my new stuff I just got.

    Anyway I think I'm calling it a night. Keep on truckin' fellas.
    >> Rasp 01/06/12(Fri)23:08 No.17449375
    Maybe "Junkion" should be renamed "Replaceable Parts"

    Perhaps the Skill stat could be used for special weapons or advantages that don't do damage?

    We should have some special rules for taking advantages, weapons, and integrated equipment from one Transformer to another. I remember OP and Megs used the weapons and abilities of their followers from time to time, and there was at least one Decipticon who took special weapons as trophies.

    I think that each background should have a semi-exclusive list of special weapons/equipment to start off with and better reflect what they are supposed to be able to do. A commoner could still pick up a solider gun, but her systems aren't optimized for use.

    Maybe make a few random advantage lists for everyone, then a few smaller list for backgrounds to roll for?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)23:18 No.17449449
    I need suggestions for Major Pre-History NPCs.
    I need 10 Bots and 10 Cons so far I have;

    -Alpha Trion/A3


    Any suggestions are appreciated, and I will accept suggestions based on Microman, Diaclone, Japanese G1 or knockoffs.

    >Maybe make a few random advantage lists for everyone, then a few smaller list for backgrounds to roll for?
    I think this is doable.
    >> Sir Vid 01/06/12(Fri)23:49 No.17449778
    Aaaand here's what I got so far. People, feel free to switch things around, rename things, etc.

    1-Roll on the Uncommon Ability table instead
    2-Extra Alt Mode
    3-Mutant Spark
    4-Internal Fusion Reactor
    5-Portable Drones
    6-Holograms, Advanced
    7-Cloning, Multiple
    8-Extra Robot Mode
    12-Bolstered Direct Impact
    14-Extra Beast Mode
    15-Improved Shield Regenerator
    20-Roll twice on this table, ignoring further results of 10

    1-Roll on the Uncommon Ability table instead
    2-Aquatic Adaptation
    4-Redundant Support Systems
    6-Holograms, Simple
    8-Cerebro Shells
    10-Sparkseeking Technology
    11-Improved Biology Scanner
    12-Internal Systems Firewall
    13-Eagle Eye
    16-Backup Shield Blast
    17-Automatic Aim
    18-Systems Reboot
    20-Roll twice on this table, ignoring further results of 20

    1-Roll on the Uncommon Ability table instead
    4-Internal Tools
    5-Communication Hub
    6-Utilitarian Frame
    7-Extra Limbs
    8-Advanced Analytical Processor
    9-Advanced Sensor Array
    11-Advanced Armor
    13-Cooling Rigs
    16-Propulsion Boost
    19-Extra Treading
    20-Roll twice on this table, ignoring further results of 20
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/06/12(Fri)23:56 No.17449843
    Looks good man.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)00:16 No.17450057
    If we still need a generic name for Junkion, how about Scrap Adaption? Or Scrap Adapter, something like that.
    >> Sir Vid 01/07/12(Sat)00:31 No.17450224
    What say you, Buzzclaw?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/07/12(Sat)00:40 No.17450313
    Junkion should be changed to Hybrid System or
    Universal Compatability.
    >> Sir Vid 01/07/12(Sat)01:22 No.17450706
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    I rather like Universal Compatibility. Finishing up the ability tables after a quick shower. In the meantime, have some over the top beefed out Bayformers Optimus concept art.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/07/12(Sat)01:32 No.17450770
    Sphess Mahreenus Prhame.
    tiny head

    Working on NPC section for compiled rulebook atm. Having a lot of flow with Pre-History dudes, might need help with Golden Age guys.
    Do you guys prefer Galvatron as a reformatted Megs or as a separate dude?
    >> Buzzclaw !!UdRpoKHkyZ2 01/07/12(Sat)02:04 No.17450989
    I was doubting Extra Beast Mode but now I think that it can be used for Transformers whose robot mode is animalistic (Beastbox, TFA Blot)
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)02:05 No.17450999
    Does anyone else think at this point we just need to make a generic ruleset called "X; the Xening"?
    >> Sir Vid 01/07/12(Sat)02:06 No.17451011
    halp i've been swallowed by my own body and i can't get up

    Also, I'm not the one to answer that. Everything pre-Michael Bay (I know, I know) is really fuzzy for me, and I never refreshed.

    Can abilities be leveled up? Askin because I'm gettin a lot of repeat abilities for the uncommon and rare tables, i.e. shielding, then advanced shielding.
    >> Rasp 01/07/12(Sat)02:15 No.17451085
    I never really cared for Galvatron. But I am a sucker for G1.

    I'm OK with them being separate if only for the sake of keeping Megs around. I know they did some time travel shenanigans in the comics so it's not far off.
    >> Buzzclaw !!UdRpoKHkyZ2 01/07/12(Sat)02:21 No.17451137
    >Can abilities be leveled up?
    Within reason, yes. Some abilities don't make sense when doubled up (Universal Compatability, Redundant Support Systems).
    Others do.
    >> Sir Vid 01/07/12(Sat)02:37 No.17451274
    >> Rasp 01/07/12(Sat)02:39 No.17451296
    Oh, I just thought of a few abilities.

    (Un)Common (depending on era):
    Eating. The ability to turn raw material into Energon. Most Transformers have to ingest processed Energon or fuel, but a few have internal power plants capable of converting many types of organic mater into fuel directly. Can be ranked up once to include inorganic mater, and the ability to be "milked" for fuel.

    Examples: Insecticons, Maximals, Predicons.

    Energon Cubes: The ability to process and store energy in a convenient cube form for use as fuel or an improvised explosive weapon.

    Examples, Soundwave.
    >> Buzzclaw !!UdRpoKHkyZ2 01/07/12(Sat)02:47 No.17451384
    Posting brief list of the Pre-History Characters I have so far;
    -A3/Alpha Trion
    -Guardian Prime
    >> Buzzclaw !!UdRpoKHkyZ2 01/07/12(Sat)02:48 No.17451393
    I like this. Imma gonna go to sleep now. Hopefully the thread won't 404.
    >> Sir Vid 01/07/12(Sat)03:17 No.17451619

    Put those in the list. I just need one more for rare...
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)03:30 No.17451677
    What about those built in energy based melee weapons like prime had? Where do those fit in?
    >> Sir Vid 01/07/12(Sat)03:35 No.17451698
    I believe that's more or less up to the character's maker than the abilities. It was established here >>17448041
    that there are bare types of weapons.
    >> Sir Vid 01/07/12(Sat)03:40 No.17451740
    And here.
    >> Sir Vid 01/07/12(Sat)03:42 No.17451748
    Done. Also saving this on my end.

    1-Roll on the Uncommon Ability table instead
    2-Extra Alt Mode
    3-Mutant Spark
    4-Internal Fusion Reactor
    5-Portable Drones
    6-Holograms, Advanced
    7-Cloning, Multiple
    8-Extra Robot Mode
    10-Time Field Warp
    12-Bolstered Direct Impact
    13-Energon Cube Compressor
    14-Extra Beast Mode
    15-Collision Dispersion Field
    16-Improved Shield Regenerator
    18-Power Leech
    19-Hover Tech
    20-Roll twice on this table, ignoring further results of 10

    1-Roll on the Common Ability table instead
    2-Aquatic Adaptation
    4-Redundant Support Systems
    6-Holograms, Simple
    8-Cerebro Shells
    9-Universal Compatability
    10-Sparkseeking Technology
    11-Improved Biology Scanner
    12-Internal Systems Firewall
    13-Eagle Eye
    15-Raw Fuel Processor
    16-Backup Shield Blast
    17-Automatic Aim
    18-Hypersensitive Reflexes
    20-Roll twice on this table, ignoring further results of 20

    1-Roll on the Uncommon Ability table instead
    4-Internal Tools
    5-Communication Hub
    6-Utilitarian Frame
    7-Extra Limbs
    8-Advanced Analytical Processor
    9-Advanced Sensor Array
    10-Systems Reboot
    11-Advanced Armor
    13-Cooling Rigs
    14-Tech Barrier
    16-Propulsion Boost
    19-Extra Treading
    20-Roll twice on this table, ignoring further results of 20
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    >transformers game
    >transformers art everywhere
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)03:44 No.17451761
    Alright, I was thinking an ability might be considered as a bonus slotless weapon, but I guess it's unneeded. Not quite good enough for rare anyway... I have another idea though: back in G1 megatron and soundwave had the ability to greatly change their size and weight into something a human could carry. Granted that might be too silly to bring in, but it could be fun.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)03:45 No.17451766
    >20-Roll twice on this table, ignoring further results of 10
    That should say 20 on the end, right?
    >> Crusader Alpha 01/07/12(Sat)04:00 No.17451847
    If the "slots" count for Armour/Melee weapons as well as guns, maybe it'd be best to base them on something other than firepower.
    1) Characters like poor old Alpha are still very capable in melee but can't get more armour/melee weapons because of the firepower stat.
    2) This will mean the characters that are dealing the most damage with their guns also have a massive amount of guns. Slightly unfair, I think.

    Just a thought. I'm no good at making up rules, so I'll elave it to you guys.
    >> Sir Vid 01/07/12(Sat)04:06 No.17451888
    Yes, thanks for the catch
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)04:51 No.17452115
    Okay, ideas for history/lineage things.

    A potential list of the Dynasty of Primes.

    - Prima (The first prime. Prehistoric era)

    - Alpha Prime (The Prime at the start of the first golden age. Alpha Trion claims him as an ancestor)
    - Guardian Prime (During the first golden age, the Quintessons attempt to invade (again?). Guardian Prime leads the army to drive them off. He is killed by an uprising of minicons in powered armour called "Transtectors", led by the scientist Gigatron. The matrix is lost, and with it the Golden Age ends.)

    The Warlord period, records are slim, and often contradictory, but some known warlords include:
    - Gladiaron (Who begins the practice of Gladitorial combat.)
    - Deathsaurus (Who developed the first combiners, and used them to crush his foes.)
    - Dai Atlas (Who, when his holdings were destroyed, took his band of followers and left cybertron, to build his own civilization)
    - Tyrannis (Who seized the temple of knowledge at Tyger Pax, and built an empire of ashes around it.)
    - Devron (Leader of the Destrons, who crushed all who stood before him, and made an army which almost conquered cybertron before he was defeated by...)

    - Nova Prime (First of the new Primes, creator of the second golden age.)
    - Nominus Prime (Made Iacon the capitol of cybertron's city states.)
    - Zeta Prime (A symbol of the decadence of the second golden age, he was eventually defeated in the great Decepticon uprisings.)
    - Sentinel Prime (A warrior prime, managed to keep the Decepticons from conquering the northern provinces of Cybertron, but was eventually killed in battle)
    - Optimus Prime (The so-called Last Prime. Unites the free city states of Cybertron in the Autobot League)
    >> Rasp 01/07/12(Sat)05:57 No.17452478
    Wow, Might be time to re-roll with those tables soon.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)06:28 No.17452625
    rolled 6, 6, 9, 9, 9, 9, 7 = 55

    And I think I'll try my hand at it. Rollan stats.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)06:34 No.17452648
    rolled 17 = 17

    Whoa... that's... pretty good. I think I've got a badass in the making here. Let's see how the rest pans out.

    Strength 54
    Intelligence 54
    Speed 81
    Endurance 81
    Courage 81
    Firepower 81
    Skill 64
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)06:36 No.17452660
    rolled 1 + 2 = 3

    >Car, Van
    Not the most heroic vehicle type but it can work.
    Gender and body colors.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)06:38 No.17452663
    rolled 3, 1 = 4

    Eh? Not used to using dice here, no idea why that happened.

    Let's say gender male, trying color again.
    >> Rasp 01/07/12(Sat)06:43 No.17452686
    You rolled a 1 on a d2. Then added 2 to it.

    So you rolled a girlformer.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)06:47 No.17452704
    rolled 1 = 1

    Blue and Red. Stylin. Background roll.

    Oh. Well that's cool too. But that reminds me, aren't female bots supposed to be relatively rare? Something way less than 50% certainly. Not sure how or if that should be reflected in the generator though.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)06:50 No.17452717
    rolled 20, 19, 12 = 51

    Commoner, I like it good for a civy van. Rolling common skills.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)06:51 No.17452721
    rolled 4, 1 = 5

    Extra Treading, Looter and two more rolls!
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)06:52 No.17452726
    rolled 7 = 7

    Internal Tools and an Uncommon roll.
    >> Rasp 01/07/12(Sat)07:00 No.17452756
    The only number I could find places 1/13th, at most, of all Transformers as female.

    But then again a female transformer can look and/or "act" like a male transformer (or vice versa), and transformers use other means of reproduction. So a gender label has about as much importance to them as a middle name has to us. It's just kind of there.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)07:18 No.17452841
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    Gender really only comes down to voice, if that.
    I mean, look at the top row, all epitomes of the female form.
    And below them, macho male transformers with obviously male characteristics.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)07:19 No.17452843
    rolled 10 = 10

    >Cloning, single.
    Damn, son.

    Now I need to choose a favored skill and figure out how to fit the rest together. What is internal tools and looting supposed to, and where is the list of skills? Or are we just making this up.

    I'm leaning towards some kind of outspoken strong willed wrenchmonkey girlformer. The robot mode should imply the shape of overalls, hah!

    I leaning towards it not being a roll at all, just choose it. In the end it's just fluff anyway.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)07:20 No.17452849
    You know, originally Ratchet was going to be a greasewrench spannermonkey girl with attitude.
    It's a damn shame that hasbro said no females to start with.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)09:27 No.17453453
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    Are you referring to the Transformers Animated show where they originally were going ot have a Female Red Alert as the medic, instead of a Grumpy War Vet Ratchet?
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)09:33 No.17453504
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    Nope, G1 Ratchet. Hence the name, which is a reference to Nurse Ratchet from one flew over the cukoo's nest.
    >> Rasp 01/07/12(Sat)11:14 No.17454200
    I just noticed there are like 6 different car alt-modes, and no "Tool/weapon" Alt-mode.

    I think there were enough cassettes, tape decks, guns, cannons, cameras, and microscopes to justify such an alt-mode.

    Maybe have it replace one of the cars? Do we need both a Fast and a Racing Car?

    But I think this thread has reached the limit.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/12(Sat)11:52 No.17454537
    The problem with that is turning into a small, immobile device, isn't going to be one most players will be happy with.
    >> Sir Vid 01/07/12(Sat)11:59 No.17454591
    Yup. Nailed it on the head. I'm just going with the idea that the "extra alt mode" ability is where you can have your former turn into a small, mostly immobile device.
    >> Buzzclaw !!UdRpoKHkyZ2 01/07/12(Sat)12:42 No.17454907
    How about Extra Alt Mode offers the player a choice between
    -Gaining a second Alt Mode (Triplechangers)
    -A small, immobile Alt Mode.

    Nice. Might change some things up, but definitely using it.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/07/12(Sat)12:56 No.17455011
    Checking to see where we're at.
    >> LaBambaMan 01/07/12(Sat)13:00 No.17455045
    Glad to see this hasn't 404'd yet.

    How're things coming?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/07/12(Sat)13:03 No.17455060
    Welp, looks like auto-sage.

    New thread;

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