That's great GMing.

Your DM is Tzeentch.

THIS IS HOW YOU DM

He who fights with monsters.

>>17383422
It's cruel GMing, and it's like a train wreck. I can't stop looking, and I can't bring myself to stop it.

The badass sniper whose daughter slipped out of his fingers as the escape shuttle took off has spent the entire campaign hunting humans with brutal, calculated efficiency, because he wants to make them pay for taking his little girl away from him.

Right now, he's in the middle of an incredibly epic sniper duel with some sort of death machine on the enemy's side. Some sort of prodigy who's already killed three supporting characters and an actual PC. He's never caught more than a glance of his enemy, and the player's not too smart, but I think even he caught on a bit when he saw the beads in her hair as the sniper vanished behind cover.

It's going to be a sad New Years.

Surrender. It's the only thing your GM won't see coming.

OH GOD I WISH I COULD GM THIS GOOD.

I mean, not to brag, but I've gotten universally good reviews, but your GM is just... Wow.

Glorious. I wish I could DM like that.

>yfw you are legend.
No damn it not Will Smith I meant the original.

>>17383462
Oh, man. That is depressing.

You've got an amazing GM.

Of course, you realize there are only two ways to truly win this. The first, aka the "true patriots" method, is to give yourselves up to the judgement of your own people, and know that even if they kill you, you fought for their freedom. Still sad, but at least you don't have to murder your own family and neighbors.

The second is to turn this situation to your advantage. Your enemy has given you the greatest gift of all: your own friends and loved ones, thousands strong, all given the best training and equipment straight from your enemy's resources. All you have to do is change their minds; get them on your side, and they'll win the war for you.

Now, while the latter is the better option, I have no bloody clue on how you're going to do it. Good luck.

Write badass exit speech about, "Even if I die today, I'm glad to see my people thriving." Then broadcast it, and go stealthmode. Kill BBEG with minimal casualties if at all possible.

>>17383490
>we will never see Ridley Scott's adaptation with creepy vampires with transparent skin wrapped in wet bandages being exterminated by Ahnuld with a beard.

>>17383462
Holy shit I can see it now. He's going to finally get the kill, and realize it too late, and crawl over to where she's dying, and try to tell her how sorry she is.

And she's going to spit in his face and say, "For my father," and expose the daisy chain of grenades she's just pulled out of her jacket.

And while the rest of you are wondering how you're going to decide the order in which you all go into the bathroom and slit your wrists in the tub, your DM will be sitting there with his head cocked back, shooting through tragedygasm after tragedyorgasm.

this reminds me...

>Run a campaign based on The Forever War
>Players never read the book, don't know anything about it, intrigued by the setting.
>First couple sessions are training on Charon, players come to fear and respect the harsh, unromantic reality of hard sci space combat.
>Everybody expects the worst, characters expect the first assault on tauren base to be a suicide mission.
>First battle against aliens who have no concept of man to man combat. They just stand and watch in confusing as human soldiers slaughter them by the hundreds.
>Hallucinogenic combat aggression drugs kick in. Players roleplay like champs. Real life san loss ensues.
>God Dammit!

>>17383519
More like he's going to realize, and beg her daughter to stop.
She won't

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DiabolusExMachina up in here, up in everywhere

>>17383502
There you go. Ballsy solution.

Even have Mr. Sniper get on the broadcast, address his daughter by name, and tell her that he loves her.

Op, we're going ask for your campaign's conclusion. This is very chilling.

>>17383418
>MFW the session ended with us about to mow down hundreds, maybe thousands of our own people, when we've spent the entire campaign scraping our nails to stumps to keep every drop of our blood that we could alive

Fail.

Violence doesnt solve everything.

>>17383493
Given that everything else seems to be going all Crash on me, I'm leaning towards the former.
Don't want to be that guy doing comedy at the funeral.

Maybe if we surrender they'll let us rejoin society instead of just shooting us all. Then we can get one of those bittersweet ending things. Never done one of those, usually it's as sweet as can be, or everyone's dead and Christmas is ruined.

>>17383545
Violence solves plenty. E.g FUCKING WARFARE
Retard

>>17383545
>Violence doesnt solve everything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-gSJW3sHXE&feature=channel_video_title

>>17383545
Violence seemed to sort the fuck out of the OP's neighbors and daughters pretty quick. They're all on the other guy's side now.

>>17383520
>First battle against aliens who have no concept of man to man combat.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TooDumbToLive

One thing is sucking at it, another is being totally confused at the fact you're gonna die horribly.

>>17383545
That's sort of the point. It's a horrible tragedy because now we're the monsters who are a threat to the society we've been fighting to try and rebuild or salvage or save, or at least avenge.

We've finally found everything we wanted, and the only thing we can do now is break it. It's a complex irony.

>>17383547
What was so evil about the BBEG's plot other than 'WE DUNT WANT TO LOOSE HOUR CUHLTOOR!'?

because unless something truly evil is happening, this is much better treatment than most of the colonies on earth had: Native American driving, Indian enslaving, South Africa apartheiding. None of that is happening here.

>>17383462

>>17383574
Genocide, you dumbass?

>>17383418

Dear OP,
This sounds amazing, buy your dm a beer .

>>17383584

>Go around beating the fuck out of humans left and right, and after 30 years of serving as the best foreign unit in the Empire, finally get the chance to take the fight to them, and retake our homeworld
>On the first assault, realize that something's wrong, because the enemy troops don't fight like humans
>Realize about two thirds of the way through that they're not human at all
>There are no humans here, just our own race who are now culturally-human, when we thought they had all been exterminated
>Get to listen to the villain, who is lauded as a messiah by the people he helped crush, give bombastic speeches about how WE are the only thing standing between them and their destiny of being "more human"

Where's the genocide, dumbass?

>>17383588
>Play a campaign about a race of near-humans surviving the destruction of their homeworld
>Big bad humans come and fucking kill the shit out of our barrel loading musket-wielding army, we narrowly escape thanks to less evil human faction intervention, and watch the planet burn behind us

There, you fucktard

>>17383561
In their defense, there's tons of them and they adapt quickly. A couple confrontations later they kick human ass.

>>17383583
Jeez...

>>17383591

Yes, but is the genocide still happening? No. They were simply assimilated into human culture and are thriving. Unless the big bad IS STILL PLANNING ON WIPING THEM OUT, the threat of genocide is gone.

Learn2logic.

>>17383574
That's sort of the thing really. By all accounts, the guy himself is a total tool, and granted he definitely did kill a lot of people (I suspect he just killed everyone over the age of 12 or something), but the society he's built out of the ashes looks to be like Humaniboo Space Prussia.

The real fear right now is that this is the prototype for a grand scheme to find undeveloped species, murder half of them, and then turn them into good little humans so that the process can be repeated. I definitely wouldn't wish this shit on anyone else, I just wonder if it's that simple. Maybe it really wasn't the humans' fault, maybe something went wrong.

Hell, I don't even know anymore. The more I think about this the less black and white it all seems. It's such an easy setup when the bad guys come and steal your puppy, but then you find out later that he made it a puppy champion, and now it has ten puppy wives and thirty puppy-puppies and a puppy mansion...

Here is what you do.

Attempt to take over the media. Forcefully, most likely.

Make it clear to your "brothers" that you have returned to save your species. And, more importantly, those who truly follow the human dogma are traitors to their very essence, and MUST be purged.

If your old culture had any that were seriously worshiped gods, start invoking them. Use scripture to prove you're right.

>>17383583
Holy Mother of God.

>>17383607
That's not logic, that's a gross understatement of the psychic trauma OF SEEING EVERYTHING YOU'VE EVER KNOWN BE DESTROYED

That's like saying the Jews wouldn't still be mad at Hitler if he were alive.
Seriously, it's not even hyperbole. This guy annihilated close to an entire PLANET.
That's bigger than Hitler-levels of dickery.

>>17383607
They might be planning on simply replacing their army with a slave-race of janissaries who have been talked into believing that they're somehow tainted by being not quite human, and must die in their bazillions to prove their worth.

>mfw this thread
Damn good GMing

>>17383611
The thing is, that puppy is now a ruthless murderer, under the servitude of someone who can see no fault in brainwashing.
Yeah, she's not your puppy anymore. She's your enemy. Puppy's grown all up, and now she's gotta die.

>>17383583
Way to go Briggs, capturing the sentimentality of murdering your long lost daughter through the scope of a rifle.

>>17383616
but their not even human anymore why bother fight?

Fuck that, roleplay the shit out of it.
Go "evil" and realize the truth.

>play this at the time you deliver your speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QahzbgUVwk

"Our people have been turned against us..they spurn our sacrifices, everything we have lost in order to help them, and they spit in our face, content in their petulant arragance and inability to see.

In what sick world is this, our reword, when our sons, daughters, mothers fathers brothers and sisters are polluted - their sin is unforgivable for it is a willing one. There is but one option my brave, true fellows - we must burn them all in purifying flame, let their souls fly free from the shackles of deceit and selfishness.

Our civilization crumbles tonight, ourselves the underminers of the very foundations we sought to preserve.

To you, those we fought for, you disgust us. All this time we've been striving to save the honour and memory of our race, but it is clear that you are not worthy of such regard. You will die knowing that all of you are worth less than my true family (name your pcs, give them some noble eulogy.)

A world's shadow falls tonight, I would rather burn it all then let history remember our race as a selfish, deluded, maligant remnant of our true glory.

Come, brothers and sisters, we shall leave no trace of this taint behind."


You must kill everything, make the villain watch his plan crumble in front of him before finally striking him down, knowing that you have truly won.

It is better to revel in your memories than face the bastardized reality of what has become.

>>17383616

So, what if hitler was still alive and was working to help the jews? Should we go and kill him for past crimes?

Yeah, we should be mad that he committed the holocaust, but we shouldn't be actively looking to kill him if he isn't performing crime. Justice should be reformatory, not retributional.


>>17383622
In that case, you still assimilate, but look around and remain suspicious, then start revolution from the inside if something pops up.

>>17383650

alternatively, if you cannot kill them all

"Our people have been turned against us..they spurn our sacrifices, everything we have lost in order to help them, and they spit in our face, content in their petulant arragance and inability to see.

In what sick world is this, our reword, when our sons, daughters, mothers fathers brothers and sisters are polluted - their sin is unforgivable for it is a willing one. There is but one option my brave, true fellows - we must burn them all in purifying flame, let their souls fly free from the shackles of deceit and selfishness.

"Know this - we fight, for we are right. You disgust me, and yet I will still die to save you - perhaps one day you will realize the truth, but I fear you are too far gone...BUT I STILL FIGHT. Cowards, all. I would rather be a furnance burning bright for all of a second than a pathetic little candle sputtering for eternity.

Let this example inspire you to free your minds.

For what was lost, for what may become...tonight we die"

Suicide attack on the BBEG capital.

>>17383527
This could result in a massive win.
"I am your father!"

>>17383547
Well, the solution to this is negotiation.
Your leader gets himself a white flag and walks over to the enemy line to talk to their leader.
Then all it takes is some diplomancy and an argument along the lines patriotism and how they fought the oppressors all this time for the sake of the people whom they now find to have sided with the enemy.
"What are you even fighting for? The men who invaded our lands, destroyed our culture and replaced it with their own.
I'm not telling you to renounce all you have done for you have done well, but I tell you to embrace what you are. Join us and win back your freedom or remain the lapdog of your oppressors, struggling to gain their favour and live as a better second-class citizen.
I beg you on my knees, brothers, don't force us to shed the blood we fought so long and so hard for, our own blood, over the treachery of humans. Togethter, we can reclaim this world as ours. So we can finally be at home again."

>>17383653
I agree with your assessment that the penal system should strive to improve the wrong-doers, but I don't think you see the whole picture: the men and women of this nation are being pretty much brainwashed to blindly follow an ideal which will, most likely, result in the extermination of SOMEONE. Either the near-human race, or the other alien group which OP has joined.
See, OP has mentioned he killed all adults. Most likely because it's harder to brainwash them.
This just reminds of me of sibba sahaba, and countless other fanatical sects which indoctrinate children for militaristic purposes. It's just not right.

You are very clearly not a Romulan, or the solution to this problem would never have involved going to your homeworld at all.

>>17383678
Where did he mention that the adults were dead? Where is the description of them as second class citizens?

The only thing remotely close is the call for is the eradication of the group who is looking to topple the empire now on the planet, which any sane person would be worried about. We need to know more about the empire than just what the OP gave (which is actually slightly biased in favor of his character's position) before we can just say that they're all bad guys.

Well, the GM is laughing his ass off that I went to /tg/ to talk about this. He's saying that every time he gets to session five of a sci fi campaign, someone goes and tells /tg/. I did it at session four. I'm ahead of the curve.

>>17383728
WHAT IS HIS NAME ANON?
I WILL FLY OUT TO GAME UNDER HIS BANNER.

Eh, OP, while I commend the GMing on this, you do realize this is the sort of thing you should have seen coming?
Or do you guys have no way of scouting/gathering intelligence on your enemies?
Arguably it wouldn't be hard to find out specifically what's going on there, considering this is a sci-fi game.

>>17383650

First line should be

"Xanatos gambit the shit out of it"

>>17383709
>>17383611
>I suspect he just killed everyone over the age of 12

I don't see any justification.
Also, please consider the actions of a man who's shown that he's been willing to, at the very least, decimate a population. He's more than likely NOT a very pleasant fellow

>>17383709
I'm trying to stay out of the argument because I don't think it's appropriate for me to be trying to infer stuff I probably shouldn't know. I will say that as far as we saw, the society is really militaristic, but it doesn't look dystopian. It just looks like the human culture except poorer, and with a lot of old buildings that nobody bothered demolishing sitting around.

(Sorry about the delays, I'm getting slow.)
>>17383758
Well we specifically were like... You know. Pre-industrial society before the cataclysm, so we didn't have much to go off of. We had to rely on our friends for everything technological at first, it's only now that some of us are educated enough to really do some teching of our own.

As for our friends, the guys we signed on with are badass, but they had no idea where we were from! Nobody who survived had any idea how star charts or astronomy worked or anything, and since the humans are a rapidly rolling engine of death that sucks up primitive worlds like nobody's business, it could've been any of a million places, most of which are well behind enemy lines. Without a specific heading, there was no chance.

We got lucky when the villain slipped up and told us where we were from, but now I'm starting to think that he had it planned. Lure our allies into a trap, test his new toys, and fuck with an old enemy at the same time? Hell, I'd have done it.

>>17383802
>Hell, I'd have done it.
Then it's decided.
You have two options.
>Surrender and refuse to play his game and kill any more of your race
or, and this is the one I would do:
>Purge the taint of humanity with fire. Even if it means dooming your entire race

>>17383778
your best bet then is to think about this in character. we can't help you with ethics decisions without enough info, and any conclusions we give you could easily be seen by your DM, seeing as he frequents 4chan as well.

Well, you've all be helpful as hell, and I got to tell a story that was going to chew a hole in my chest if I didn't get it off of there.

I've got to get to sleep so that I can finish this puppy off tomorrow. I'll see if I can't get on here and tell you all how it ends!

Happy New Year, /tg/.

>>17383859
Happy New Year, OP. Make sure to tell us how it comes to end!

>>17383859

You have now ruined my New Years.

... Why is everyone going on about New Years? The 1st of January is tomorrow...

>>17383922
New Year's Eve means the evening to the New Year.
Which is December 31st.

>>17383650
>>17383670

>mfw no one responds to this

Time to compose a mournful soliloquy

>>17384063
What is he hiding under the hat?

>>17384090
The brain he must use in order to compose a mournful soliloquy.

>>17384063
>>17384063
Well, it's the same logic that radical islamist groups work with. If 'your people' aren't actively working against The Enemy they're working for him, therefore justifying terrorist bombing of the populace you're supposedly fighting for. (You might want to check out the BBC documentary 'The power of Nightmares', it's really good stuff).
Shit's fucked up, yo.

>>17384090

It's ADB - he hangs around here sometimes, ask him.

While this is some damn good GMing, I have to give kudos to the PCs here, OP included. It doesn't matter how great your GM is, if the PCs are shit, then the campaign is shit.

I have had a total of 7 campaigns in my life, most were rather short. 4 of which I (tried to) GM, the others I PC'd.

Every single goddamn campaign of those 7 I was the only person who was even remotely interested in having an engaging and interesting story with somewhat interesting characters. Everyone else was nothing but "lol so random" "I want to kill anything that moves" "There's a major plot points happening? I don't fucking care give me my money so I can buy shit" and of course "I kill the hooker and run away because its funny."

Just once, just once I'd like to GM a game that has players that are willing to role play and are interested in whats actually happening in the story and not min maxing their characters like their playing goddamn WoW.

>>17383650
I fucking loved Sunshine! Great movie. Bizarre movie.

Great DM is Great.

>>17383653

>Helping

But he's not. He's making the race into his own, personal attack dog.

>Be recruit acolytes sent down to investigate xenos ruins on peaceful agri-world
>Be welcomed and treated with utmost respect by the governers and nobles and PDF
>Build a great friendship with multiple PDF soldiers and nobles in government
>we all go into the xenos ruins together to investigate
>eldar ruins, accidently open a webway gate, aw shit
>Eldar come flooding through, begin to slaughter the PDF, we fight bitterly tooth and nail but can't stop them
>weep as we see our friends destroyed beneath the eldar war machine
>suddenly the inquisitorial fleet arrives, full support from deathwatch and IG
>start fighting back, freeing cities and towns from the eldar menace, saving any lives we can
>in one final push we break through and slaughter tens of thousands of eldar
>skies began to glow a horrible shade of purple
>lightning arcs from the sky, eldar are panicked and retreating
>behind our lines the Planetary Governor's wife we had all known begins to change and explode into a greater daemon of Slaanesh
>All over the planet warp rifts pour forth slaaneshi daemons

THE WHOLE THING WAS A SET UP. We were meant to find the eldar ruins, and bring them through, and we were meant to use our superior inquisitorial force to kill enough of them to feed Slaanesh so many souls as to break through the walls of reality turning the planet into a daemon world

The entire nobility is a cult who planned our coming and all of this all along. We were the sacrificial knife that offered the eldar up to slaanesh.

Our faces when.

>>17383418

I want to learn how to GM like this.

Keep this thread alive. I wish to see the end to the OPs tale.

I like your bad guy's style, OP.

>>17386495

Its just having an imagination. You can't learn an imagination

Make the sun flare.(Or why not nova?)
no, seriously, purge that shit.

See, this is the kind of DMing that not only would I fucking love to do but would love to play under. I get bored easily when playing because most DMs can't really keep my attention story-wise. But this guy...this guy. I want to know how I can get in contact with him and learn how to DM from him.

Fight them. Be the final enemy for them to overcome before their ascendancy begins. Be their coming of age ritual. They've outgrown you, OP. When you left, they were still using muskets and pikes, now they've got lasers and flamethrowers. They're not the same people you knew, they're all grown up.

If you defeat them, if you somehow tame this people, what will you have accomplished? Breaking their legs just as they learn to stand again? That's what the bad guy did, and you want to do it again?

Die. You'll be doing them a favor. Let them thrive as the wolf at the right hand of mankind. There are worse lives, much worse, than those of a favored servant. Lives like yours.

Goddamn that Sunshine music can make anything dramatic.

>>17386526

LIES! I will into imagination.

>>17386566
Other player here. Find Galt.

>>17386662
The city in California?

>>17386600
You fool! If the party simple let them kill them, they are perpetuating the lie that they can be like humans! Only through conflict can they ascend! Real conflict! They can only truly ascend if they truly defeat the party.

What system is this being run in?

>>17386701
Anybody know?

>>17386676
Galt. Maybe gold? Like go find a good golden group? What useless advice.

>>17387076
John Galt is a namefag who does a lot of Riddle of Steel stuff. But unless this genocide involved a lot of groin stabbing, I don't see the correlation.

>>17387092
He's also the main character of Atlas Shrugged.

I see that everybody wants to have OP's GM. Not unexpected, it seems like a nice riveting story-line (well-paced and well-measured, as in a TV series rather than a movie) It's not that hard, honestly. The big thing here is the twist. That delicious, ethically inverting twist. The one that makes the players think about just what the hell's going on between themselves and the setting.

Again, not that hard.

Pick the twist ahead of time. I know, planning in advance for PC's is hard, but you've got to do it if you want something like this. Keep it simple, like, 'the PC's end up fighting their own people', or 'a player must battle their own daughter' (for examples).

THEN, work backwards. Figure out the Why/Who/Where/How of it and make sure to weave it into story developments. As long as you've got a central story-line (I hope to god you do if you're table-topping in general), it shouldn't be that hard to eventually lead the players into it. That way, you keep the proper foreshadowing to prevent it coming out of nowhere and seeming like a bunch of nonsense, and you still get the nice kink in their perceived story-line.

If they end up going down a different plot track entirely, though, that's when it threatens to be completely bypassed, as PCs are not the most predictable creatures. Fear not! If the twist is simple enough, it can simply be retooled and foreshadowed differently so that you still end up with something along those lines. As long as they don't go perpendicular to the story (side quests, side quests everywhere) or the other way (lol characterization inversion), you should still get far enough in the plot so that you can have it happen.

Just some food for thought that hopefully does a little good, so you too can become the weaver of stories that are, fates willing, told time and time again.

>>17386600

Hey, hey, hey! This thread's not about HFY. It's about sadtimes, Xanatos gambits and fantastic bastard GMs.

>Drow campaign
>my male rogue comes across an opal the size of a basketball that gives off some magical aura.
>rogue wants enough money that he can escape/run to the surface.
>decides to track down the person that will give him the most for it, turns out to be 2000 year old mind flayer lich.
>take it to him, thanks me for bringing him the artifact that will basically make him instantly regenerate in 1d2 rounds with full spells, and not need his phylactery again.
>DM informs me that I just gave the item we were supposed to keep away from the BBEG TO the BBEG, and the campaign was now over because there was no way we could stop him.
>only got paid 1200 gold for it.

GOD DAMN IT!

>>17390305

Last line is the best. Fuck all that 'BBEG' bullshit, that piece of squid-jerky SHORT-CHANGED you!

>>17390311

Want to know the real punchlines? my friend and I were both running campaigns that took place in the same city, at the same time, with two different groups. We thought it would be funny to have them investigating what the other was doing, and have it effect the other game.

I ended TWO campaigns, for a measly 1200 GP!

>>17390330

Oh, shit! That's...hilarious, horrible...horrilarious. Yes, that's the word I'm going with, horrilarious

>>17390337

On the plus side, the cash gave me just enough to have myself teleported to the surface. First feat I took way Daylight Adaptation, so everything went better than expected... till the army of vampire/mummy drow (All of Menzobaranzan) came up to the surface.

>>17390351

What was theo ther group? More Drow? Meddling surfacers?

And that's like... a twilight zone ending.

Did he react to this news by saying with dismay "it's not fair, it's not far!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxARJyaTEAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxARJyaTEA

They want to be more human, what's wrong OP? Too much of a illogical appeal to emotion liberal to let that happen?

Dumbass

>>17390378

Nope. he basically said, "well fuck my luck," and ran. First thing he did when he got to the surface was find a priest willing to cast atonement on him, so he could switch alignment. Why? because if he was good, he could better fit in, and people wouldn't hunt his ass down. So I basically ran as far and fast as I could till there was nowhere else to go, then convinced people our only hope for survival was to plane shift the hell out of there. I was CG by then, so I did pretty well in Limbo.

Did get ganked eventually, but by then I pretty much ended up in Olidammara's Den, as apposed to Loth's bullshit. So I lost, but I won in the long run, because he thought it was an awesome joke that I didn't even know it was my fault.

>>17390419

Olidammara is Bro Teir amongst Greyhawk deities, along with Kord.

>>17383462
Well, I've been in that situation before. I suppose I shouldn't interfere, but mirrors and morse code are very useful.

>>17390430

he is my favorite, along with Fharlanghn. But yeah, he was laughing his ass off when I got there, asking if I had ANY idea what I had done. when I told him no, he patted me on the back and told me what I had done. My character wasn't too pleased, but if you're a follower of the Laughing Rogue, you have to learn to take a joke.