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    83 KB Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)19:30 No.17369856  
    Why no official Transformers RPG, /tg/? It's one of the biggest franchises out there?
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)19:33 No.17369882
    ...considering Hasbro owns WotC and Transformers? Good question.

    I think it's because the era of making RPG spinoffs for absolutely everything is long gone, since no one bought them.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)19:37 No.17369909
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    But...but...Dragon Age RPG, The Laundry RPG, Doctor Who RPG, et al...

    Transformers has so much going for it: toys, tv shows (the very successful Transformers Prime), video games, comics, lego bricks, novels, pyjamas, the list goes on. Everything except RPGs.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 12/29/11(Thu)19:43 No.17369957
    Because Hasbro doesn't see money in RPGs. Do you really think D&D 4E is making a profit?
    >> The Outlander 12/29/11(Thu)19:45 No.17369972
    Good point.

    This belongs on /toy/
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)19:55 No.17370061
    No, it should go to /lit/
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)19:56 No.17370075
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    Anyone have links to decent fan TF RPGs?
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:01 No.17370110
    It probably is, but a tiny one compared to what MTG is making, let alone Transformers, MLP et al.

    the RPG market in general has shrunk a bit atm, mostly because of stagnation and over-focus on grognards. At a wild guess anyway.

    Anyone want to make their own Transformers RPG then?
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:03 No.17370134
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    I'd like to, though I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of the franchise.

    I suppose a system like Engine Heart might work? I wouldn't want to use rules-heavy games like Battletech for a fun toy genre like TF.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:06 No.17370158
    I have a friend who made one, but it's not combat-focused. Had some odd ideas mind.

    The Transformers wiki is a good place to start, generally. Lots of terminology you can borrow, and I always liked the idea of giving Transformer size classes names themed after the toy classes.

    Hard to say what system would work. I suppose D&D 4e would be good as any, heavily modified.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:18 No.17370290
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    I enjoy the adventures on Cybertron the most, frankly, and I wish someone had a game setting there. You could have biomechanical flora and fauna, like electrostatic butterflies, grease rats, chrome deer, and other weirdness.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:25 No.17370356
    The size classes are based on marketing jargon and dollar amounts, not a great baseline for naming things. Not only do they vary by annual product line but they are semantically confused.

    And who'd want to play a Basic class TG anyway?
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:27 No.17370374
    Some guy did a whole website on a beast Wars ruleset based on OWoD.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:29 No.17370401
    >It's one of the biggest franchises out there?
    Ummm, as a hug Transformers fan, no, not it isn't.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:30 No.17370416
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    My bro is planning on using the Beast Wars White Wolf supplement to run an alternate-universe version of the Beast Saga.


    Of course, it obviously only applies to Beast Wars, which is a shame.


    Figures, since I'll be playing a Basic-Class character.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:35 No.17370466

    And that was before the third movie. It's a huge franchise.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:44 No.17370556
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    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:47 No.17370586
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    If one does not exist...

    Then perhaps we should MAKE ONE.


    Anyone up for this?
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:50 No.17370613
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    I mean, the universe pretty much has "classes" already: Leader class, Scout class, Voyager class, Scientist class, Warrior class... I mean, it shouldn't be too difficult to pen them up as "races" that determine each Transformer's powers, abilities, and model types. Hell, You could even get bonuses for being Autobot, Decepticon, or unaligned.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:52 No.17370636
    yep, thread should def. not be here. should be on /toy/ or /tv/
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)20:59 No.17370695
    There's a Transformers RPG all .pdf'd up and everything that popped up here a while back. It's more on the silly G1 side of things than the serious Beastwars end. It's played with a GM and two separate parties that play at the same time. Sort of like an RPG/board game. The GM comes up with a situation and a goal for each side, with the players on each side fighting to complete their side's goal. Like an energon deposit being stockpiled by the Decepticons with them defending it and the Autobots trying to disable it. Apparently from a report posted by some one who played the game with it's creator they encourage things like themes, catchfrazes and instead of killing players having them shake their fists and run away into the distance like proper cartoon villains.

    I'll see if I can't find it on me hard drive and re-upload it. If not you could probably spend 5 minutes to find it on /rs/.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:04 No.17370758

    Here's the RPG I was talking about. A lot of tables and a HELL OF A LOT of different customization options. And I guess if you wanted to play it seriously, you could. System can handle it.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:07 No.17370781
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    So I guess /tg/ consists of the few people who don't like the bots.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:07 No.17370783
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    Woop! Thanks a bunch!
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:09 No.17370801
    its not that, its just a buncha people got banned earlier for bitching about the mods. so the boards moving hella slow
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:15 No.17370860
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    >mfw this thread comes up. Now this might be interesting...

    Maybe we should use one of those Mecha RPGs and start from there?

    Making a Transformers RPG from scratch can be better, because i don't see such big mecanic issues on the franchise that can difficult the whole crunching. But homebrewing is not my thing, so i might be wrong...

    My pic just got another meaning...
    >> The Outlander 12/29/11(Thu)21:20 No.17370914
    So we can talk about transformers apparently.

    Go figure.

    Alrighty then time to make an RPG!
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:24 No.17370968
    I had a really good few sessions with Mechamorphosis just for fun years ago. I'd be in for this. How should we start? What kind of stats?
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:26 No.17370983
    Seems to lend itself more to short-term play than a serious campaign, but I'll give this a look over. Seems cool.
    >> The Outlander 12/29/11(Thu)21:26 No.17370986
    I honestly have no clue where to start.

    I say we put this off for a good week until the bans wear off because we need some crazy ass system for this.

    Transformers can be anything from human to planets. Probably why this hasn't been made yet.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:28 No.17371011
    I don't even know about all that shit but I'll be back at school in a week. This makes me sad that /tg/ doesn't want to create OC just because.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:31 No.17371042
    We just don't want all the work to disappear without reason, dude.

    Wait a week and we'll try something out. I've already got some ideas - skill-based, with "classes" getting bonuses to certain skills and movement/ability bonuses, plus special abilities based on altforms.

    When the storm clears, there will be a shining city of metal and energon.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:31 No.17371050
    Irony was the mods dump stat.

    A transformers RPG would be an interesting game, but which specific generation or comic would form the immediate basis of the game and fluff?
    >> The Outlander 12/29/11(Thu)21:32 No.17371065
    We can't create OC if there is no one on the board.

    Everyone is home right now and wants to fight the bloody mod instead of being fun.

    Every time we try to do something fun the mod throws the delete switch.

    I'm sorry mate, shit happens.

    I'm really interested in this but I have no fucking clue how to do this other than battletech, which I know little about.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:34 No.17371090
    >Fight the mod
    I guess if /tg/'s going to turn into one of those boards, I don't really want to be around here anyway. Fair enough.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:35 No.17371102
    Well, don't forget that the toys have their own stats built in. The techspec cards have 10 stats, all ranging from 1 to 10.

    I did a one-shot game once using Scion as a basis, since the size differences worked out well with Epic Attribute bonuses for 'big target hits little target for massive damage' or 'little target has massive bonus to accuracy against big target'
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:36 No.17371120
    Well, if nothing's done about what's happening moot may as well delete the fucking board.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:36 No.17371130
    I would make it as complete as possible.

    Include all options: *masters, Pretenders, Triggerbots/cons, Sparkabots/Firecons, Pretenders, Doublechargers, Combiners, Fuzors, Transmetals, Transmetal IIs, Transorganics, Vehicons...
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:38 No.17371154

    Why limit ourselves?

    "Basic" Transformers games would be back on Cybertron, before humans were discovered. Basically like War Within, but with dice and the PCs working for either one of the factions - or both, if they're going against Unicron.

    "Classic" Transformers games would be on Earth, shortly after the Ark was found and the Transformers resurrected.

    "Future" Transformers would involve everything afterwards, since that timeline is so screwed up anyways.

    Honestly, we don't really need the setting, just a cohesive rules system. The setting is already laid out for us.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:42 No.17371182
    Hey bro, since you've played Mechamorphosis, how was it? I'm interested how they do combat, since its a d20 system and the only thing I can think it might be like would be modern d20's combat (which my players and I actually enjoy, although for us it's more like using d20 modern equipment and rules with 3.5 characters).
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:42 No.17371186
    Yeah, I totally agree with this. Just make sure all the potential rules for everything from G1, to BW, to Armada and it's Minicons, Energon and it's stuff or Cybertron and it's Cyber Key stuff, and beyond is covered rules-wise, and let people use whatever setting they wish.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:44 No.17371200
    Its d20 Modern but way over the top. And because its relatively light for a d20 system, you could absolutely mod the hell out of it and bring in other d20 elements. Its pretty friendly.

    I enjoyed it and I honestly hate most d20/3.x stuff.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:44 No.17371203
    And I'd happily volunteer to run an IRC game, if anyone's interested.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:48 No.17371237
    I have read through Mechamorphosis and the other d20 one (I can't even recall most of the differences though, they use so many of the same terms like Link for a *master and such). I think that a 4e conversion could be cool as well; it supports all kinds of roles and setup, as well as unique powers and such.

    One thing you could also look at for inspiration is War for Cybertron and the upcoming Fall of Cybertron games.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:50 No.17371263
    That may be, but I would not be the one to convert it to 4e. 4e has its strengths, but ease of homebrew isn't one.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:51 No.17371270
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    BESM has a rule set that handles transforming robots.

    M&M could probably do it too.

    and is there an official history, or does it keep getting changed from comic to comic, cartoon to cartoon?
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:52 No.17371275
    There's no official history, its changed from series to series. I'd either go with Dreamwave canon or UK comic canon if you had to establish one.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:52 No.17371276
    Lite d20? Sounds perfect. Thanks for the head's up.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:53 No.17371286
    It's a fuckin mess. The comics still seem to run on G1 continuity, but most of the cartoons (plus the movies) are flat out unrelated to each other, with wildly varying styles, tone and depth.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)21:55 No.17371312
    All the Horizon books are relatively light and self-contained, yeah.
    >> Eponymous Rex !!3Qwa/wIpHWG 12/29/11(Thu)21:58 No.17371338
    Worst part is... they're ALL kind of sort of canon if you go by one of the continuities based ont he fact that there's a huge convoluted multiverse.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)21:58 No.17371348
    Might as well through this out here.
    This is what I used for that one TFQuest I ran (Roll-under 1d100 system btw);

    >Generating Attribute Scores
    Roll 1d10 and Multiply the result by 9 for each attribute. On a result of 10, reroll until you get a number besides 9


    >Alt Modes
    Animal, Giant
    -Get +10 Strength, +10 Speed, +10 Endurance and -30 Intelligence while in Alt Mode
    Car, Fast
    -Get +20 Speed and -10 Endurance while in Alt Mode
    Car, Utility
    -Get +10 Endurance and +10 Strength while in Alt Mode

    Roll 1d2, 1=female, 2=male

    >Body Colors
    Roll 1d10 twice. 1st roll is dominant color, 2nd is accent color.
    -1 Red
    -2 Purple
    -3 Blue
    -4 Green
    -5 Yellow
    -6 Orange
    -7 Black
    -8 White
    -9 Gray
    -10 Teal

    Multiply your endurance by 2. This your HP.

    >Ranged Attacks
    Roll a Skill check. If you pass, your target must pass a Speed check. If he fails you deal 1d10 + 1/2 Firepower damage. If you passed your Skill check by 30 points below the minimum or more, instead deal 1d10+ Firepower damage.

    >Melee Attacks
    Roll a Skill check. If you pass, your target must pass a Speed check. If he fails you deal 1d10 + Strength damage. If you passed your Skill check by 30 points below the minimum or more, instead deal 1d10+ 2x Strength.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)22:00 No.17371367
    Nothing after Beast Machines is really related to each other. It's all separate continuities (it's actually all alternate universes in-fiction, as some characters are singular entities across the multiverse, and exist in all universes at once).

    G1 comic was it's own continuity and used chunks of the cartoon. G2 comic followed that.

    G1 cartoon ran through to BW (300 years after G1) and Beast Machines, to be followed by the (cancelled) Transtech. If you want to include them, the Japanese anime Headmasters, Masterforce and Victory and a bunch of text-only stories like Operation Combination and Battlestars and ZONE fit here as well after G1 season 3, ignoring The Rebirth.

    Beast Wars 2nd and Neo (Japanese anime) loosely fit BW timeline, and were like 300 years after BW (they tie into G1 cartoon however)

    Armada was reinvention, and Energon was a direct sequel. Cybertron was a separate series in Japan, but was a sequel to Armada/Energon in America. Collectively called the Unicron Trilogy.

    Animated is it's own continuity.

    Same for Prime (though I think it's supposed to be in the same universe as the WfC game).

    All of the different G1 comic iterations are their own reinventions.of the basic G1 continuity.

    The Dreamwave comic series' that had War Within, Micromasters, some one-offs like Hearts of Steel (1800s Transformers as steam engines and such) and an ongoing G1 before they went bankrupt.

    IDW is the same; it's its own reboot of continuity in a much different method than G1 (Galvatron and Megatron being completely different characters, for example).

    And this isn't even getting into any of the weird Japanese continuities like Binaltech, Alternity, or KISS Players.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)22:17 No.17371571
    And a rough loltimeline for a TF-verse, broken down by era;
    Creation of Transformers, Quintessons driven off of Cybertron, First Cybertronian War between Autonomous Robots and Deceptive Constructs (names are hold-overs from the Quints).
    >Golden Age
    Pax Cybertronia establishes a uneasy peace between Autobots and Decepticons, Colonisation (Paradron, Micro, Velocitron, etc),
    New Factions began appearing (Like the Autobot-splinter vigilante Protectabots and the Decepticon-splinter Constructicons).
    >The Fall
    Cybertron ruling elites begin fanning interparty tensions for political gain but it backfires spectacularly, Numerous rebellions (Megatron's Decepticons, Multi-Force's Destrons, Sentinel Prime's Maximals), Second Cybertronian Civil War, The Exodus (Many Cybertronians Flee from the war, including the future founders if the Neo-Cybertronian Empire)

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    Although the body color thing seems a little excessive. I'd let the player choose that.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)22:30 No.17371677
    >The Dark Age
    Megatron and Optimus Prime crash on Earth and slumber for millions of years, Cybertron becomes a total warzone once the two strongest leaders disappear, Neo-Cybertronian Empire expands. (Beast Wars goes here)
    >The Return
    Megatron and Optimus Prime re-awaken and continue their battle on Earth, Cybertronians flock to Earth to help both sides, Cybertronian colonies are attacked by the mysterious Planet X
    >The Renewal
    The Battle of Autobot City, The Death of Optimus Prime, The Time Wars, new technologies are introduced (Binary Bonding, Micromasters, Pretenders), The Inter-Cybertronian War, Earth exiles Transformers and develops their own robots, The Machine Wars, The Earth Concordat re-establishes Cybertronian presence on Earth, Deathsaurus terrorizes Earth briefly.

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)22:43 No.17371796
    >The Great Upgrade
    Maximals and Predacons gain domiance over their predecessors, Maximals claim complete control of Cybertron, Predacons (and others) relegated to second-class citizenship and hard labor, Maximal High Council mandates The Great Upgrade on all of their worlds (Some who do not want this upgrade flee off-world), A Predacon criminal who calls himself "Megatron" steals the Golden Disc from the Hall of Archives and is pursued by the colonization vessel "Axalon".
    >The Change
    Megatron returns to Cybertron and unleashes a Transmode virus, Cybertron is devastated by the sudden attack, Megatron uses Quintesson connections to obtain drones of various makes and models, Cybertronian rebels rally behind the questionably-sane Optimus Primal, Using ancient technology the organic nature of Cybertron is enhance loosed, Cybertron becomes techno-organic.
    The distinction between the organic and technological becomes lost on Cybertron as this two dimensions become fused in incomprehensible ways, The Dimension Wars begin.


    Ask me and I shall elaborate on any point of interest.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)22:47 No.17371829
    What's the deal with the Optimus Prime in Beast Wars and the Optimus Prime in Transformers? Different guy, same name?
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)22:48 No.17371838
    Optimal Primal was in Beast Wars and is distinct from Optimus Prime. The former took his name from the latter as an inspiration.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)22:52 No.17371859
    This. Kind like the Greek Ulysses and Ulysses S. Grant. Primal is named after a war hero/great leader.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)22:54 No.17371880
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    Could we just ignore the Beast Machines stuff? I never liked the techno-organic stuff and it just FUBARed cybertron.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)22:57 No.17371907
    It also technically was the result of a time paradox, so it'd be easy enough to split it off.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)22:59 No.17371931
    No, because not everyone is you.
    >Don't like Beast Machines era and beyond?

    Ignore it.

    >Don't like the pre-history era?
    Change it.

    >Don't like Beast Era?
    Retcon it
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)23:01 No.17371961
    This is an even better option than flat out ignoring it.

    >ntshun quebecois)
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)23:25 No.17372219
    rolled 4 = 4

    I shall expand upon a random era
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:27 No.17372243
    rolled 2 = 2

    And I shall make a random Transformer using the quest rules.

    Rolling for Strength
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:28 No.17372251
    rolled 6 = 6

    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:28 No.17372259
    rolled 6 = 6

    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:28 No.17372263
    Huh. The Dark Age actually does seem like a good setting for gaming in. I wonder how well fluffed up it is?
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:29 No.17372269
    rolled 6 = 6

    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:29 No.17372273
    rolled 4 = 4

    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:30 No.17372281
    rolled 2 = 2

    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:32 No.17372305
    rolled 10 = 10

    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:33 No.17372313
    rolled 5 = 5

    Woohoo! Rollan again.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:34 No.17372321
    Alt mode is going to be a fast car, let's say a classic Porsche 911.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:35 No.17372335
    rolled 2 = 2

    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:36 No.17372341
    rolled 10, 10 = 20

    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:36 No.17372349
    The fuck? I'm Teal with Teal stripes? Okay then. As long as I don't have speed holes.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)23:39 No.17372377
    >>The Dark Age
    So, The Ark and The Nemesis crash on Earth.
    Beacuse of this, everything goes to hell on Cybertron. Almost all Decepticons (and their splinter factions) respected Megatron's power but now everyone wants to rule the world. The same thing happens in the Autobot ranks; Optimus was tough by Autobot standards but he still kept POWs and refused to attack certain predominantly civilian areas.
    Contenders for Autobot command decided that a "kill'em all, let Primus sort 'em out" approach was the best. The Neo-Cybertronian Empire exapanded slowly and steadily, unhindered by any civil wars. Many technologies, most notably TransWarp tech, started to develop in the Neo-Cyb Empire at this time.
    Notable figures of this period include;
    >Shockwave, the most successful Decepticon Warlord of the area
    >Ultra Magnus, an Autobot Commander who tried to keep Optimus' ideals alive in the ranks
    >Scorponok, Decepticon warlord and Overlord of Nebulos
    >Razorclaw, Predacon warlord and ruler of the Beest Cluster
    >Emir Xaaron, Autobot warlord noted for his insular realm
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:43 No.17372424
    What about Straxus
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)23:43 No.17372429
    Not really at all in official cannon, iirc. Prime and Megs sell the story (and merch) apparently.

    >Teal with Teal stripes
    Dude what

    And on second thought, I might take out the "re-roll any 10s" part from statgen
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:44 No.17372439
    This kinda stuff is weird to me since I watched all kinds of Transformers stuff but not G1. I suppose it's the most fleshed out era?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)23:47 No.17372467
    I was writing of the top of my head, he slipped my mind.
    >Lord Straxus Darkmount, Decepticon Warlord, Overlord of Polyhex, second in success only to Shockwave's sizable faction. His territory faced several raids by Autobot insurgents.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:50 No.17372501
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    Maybe in fan fiction, but not in Hasbro's canon. What there is of it. I mean, I have the Complete Guide to Transformers but it's all over hte place. TF canon is pretty messed up and a lot of it is inferred. G1 established a lot ofthe archetypes and baseline that later iterations keep referrring to, but those later additions put a twist on everything every time and it's hard to make sense of it.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:50 No.17372506
    As far as I know G1 starts with The Return and everything revolves around that change. The dark age should cover the descent from war into infighting and general anarchy.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)23:52 No.17372513
    >Fleshed out
    Not at all. Very little is detailed about pre-G1 stuff or non-Earth/non-Cybertron G1. I actually like the way the Animated Almanacs expanded on a lot of pre-history that's suitable for most campaigns (the evolution of Decepticon and Autobot factions). It also includes a list of TF-inhabited worlds (Autobot Commonwealth)
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)23:55 No.17372546
    Exactly. The War between Megs' Cons and Prime's Bots was exactly that, a war; After they left, it's like those random militias in Africa going around killing each other.

    On that note, the Dark Age is almost pure fanon on my part.
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:57 No.17372567
    >the evolution of Decepticon and Autobot factions
    Weren't they in setting originally two brand names for two lines of semi-sentient robots? One for military robots and ones that were designed as consumer goods?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/29/11(Thu)23:58 No.17372582
    Correct. The Return is pre-movie G1.
    The Renewal is post-movie G1, G2, Machine Wars, and Victory (and I guess maybe Headmasters and Masterforce?)
    >> Anonymous 12/29/11(Thu)23:58 No.17372586
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    That's one cartoon episode explanation. There are others.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:02 No.17372625
    I like how it explains why decepticons can all fly and are generally better armed. It also makes autobots a little more badass since they aren't meant to be weapons of war but they decided to fight anyways.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)00:03 No.17372640
    Varies by continuity.
    In Animated first there were vanilla Cybertronians.
    Then the Malignus and the Guardians rose up.
    The Protectrons/Protectabots overthrew the Guardians, the Malignus fell into obscurity and Destrons rose to power.
    The Autobots splintered from the Protectabots and the Decepticons splintered from the Destrons.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:05 No.17372673
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    So here's my guy (pic related, on left):

    Strength 18
    Intelligence 54
    Speed 54
    Endurance 54
    Courage 28
    Firepower 18
    Skill 95?

    Alt mode: fast car porsche 911
    Gender: male
    Allegiance: Autobot
    Colors: Teal on Teal, apparently

    HP: 108
    Damage: d10+9
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:10 No.17372718
    And his name is BURNOUT.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)00:18 No.17372754
    Skill would be 90. Dayum, you rolled a sniper with a glass jaw.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:25 No.17372799
    Yeah, and he's bright CYAN. I guess all that delicate porsche bodywork is easy to damage, and rather thin for hitting purposes. I suppose his gun is pretty weak too, judging by the firepower.

    Man, that's why I prefer bell curved rolls. When is TFQuest happening?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)00:29 No.17372838
    rolled 2 = 2

    Gonna detail another era rite quick
    2=Golden Age
    3=The Fall
    4=The Return
    5=The Renewal
    6=Great Upgrade
    7=The Change
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:29 No.17372843
    I want in on this TF Quest thing. Do I have to use the /tg/ roller, or can I, you know, roll actual dice? I'm a crawling Babby Newbie to roleplaying games in general, but I have the THIRST to LEARN.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:36 No.17372900
    Use the roller, we have no idea what IRL dice you're rolling and there are a lot of cheaters out there.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:37 No.17372905
    rolled 1 = 1


    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:38 No.17372914
    rolled 10 = 10


    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:38 No.17372918
    hoho, I'm the 4" tough guy of the group, it seems.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:38 No.17372920
    rolled 7 = 7

    Extra roll!?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:39 No.17372925
    Any alternate timelines that are worth looking at?

    The movies and War for Cybertron seem to like implying that Cybertron was destroyed or at least made uninhabitable by the heat of the war, which puts a pretty different spin on things.

    And anything involving Unicron is often fun.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:40 No.17372934
    rolled 6 = 6

    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:40 No.17372937
    I have to sleep now, but I'll check back tomorrow. Till all are one!
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:41 No.17372943
    rolled 9 = 9

    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:42 No.17372948
    rolled 7 = 7

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)00:42 No.17372950
    I ran a TFQuest a while back. I might run a new one next month.

    >Golden Age
    This period probably covers a few million years between the end of The First War and the start of The Second. This is Cybertron at its most prosperous; Autobots do science, Decepticons provide muscle and defense. But there are still hardcore dudes from the war who want to keep fighting. Also, Bots and Cons feel a lot of distrust; Both sides think that the others could turn on them. Also during this era, splinter factions start showing up.
    The Protectabots are a grassroots Autobot vigilante movement that springs up in areas with lots war hold-outs.
    The Constructicons are former Decepticon soldiers who devote their lives to building in atonement for the destruction they caused.
    The Autobot-derived Maximals espouse unity and the supremacy of Cybertronians over lesser (i.e. organic) lifeforms.
    Notable figures of this time are;
    >Powered Convoy, Autobot Captain of 16th Colonization Fleet and First Governor of Micro
    >Megabolt, Decepticon Vice-Admiral and Governor of Velocitron
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:43 No.17372961
    rolled 5 = 5

    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:44 No.17372969
    rolled 3 = 3

    Aw man, I'm not very strong AND I don't have a lot of firepower.

    Let's hope I have SKILLLZ
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:44 No.17372973
    rolled 2 = 2

    Well shit.

    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:45 No.17372982
    rolled 6 = 6


    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:46 No.17372989
    rolled 4 = 4

    Orange!? Aw, MAN.

    Secondary color...
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)00:47 No.17372998
    rolled 4 = 4


    Orange and Green.

    I gotta find an alt mode and try to make this not suck.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)00:50 No.17373021
    There are quite few timelines worth looking into.
    >Galvatron timeline
    This takes place in an alternate renewal era. This is where Rodimus gets strung up between the Twin Towers and Galvy rules Earth. This timeline could be the result of someone other than Megatron becoming Galvatron.
    Alternity probably takes place after a TransTech era, seeing as how they became pure energy beings at some point.
    >Armada/Energon and Cybertron
    These three would just substitute/alter The Fall. Also there is an implication that there is a Beast Wars in this continuity.
    >Original Beast Wars
    This is a confusing timeline, but it follows the old pack-in comics and tech specs. BW is sometime in the near future, Megatron is G1 Megs and Primal is G1 Prime. Also, this apparently a world war between the 2 forces.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)00:54 No.17373052
    Should I archive this?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)01:00 No.17373113
    That reminds me of a kinda cool story I wrote back in my fanfic days (I was a teenager is my defence, I'm appropriately ashamed now) about an alternate Transformers timeline that had an all-out war between a fascist empire of technologically advanced humans and uneasily united Cybertronians. I kinda burnt out on it pretty quick, but it was really fun to write and muse on.

    Some of my ideas included both factions now being led by Starscream and Ultra Magnus, after Optimus was captured and Megatron killed (it took a nuke or two to finish him off). I think I was onto something.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)01:05 No.17373149
    rolled 7 = 7


    Rollan for write-up
    2=The Fall
    3=The Return
    4=The Renewal
    5=Great Upgrade
    6=The Change
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)01:05 No.17373155
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    Intelligence: 63
    Speed: 54
    Endurance: 81
    Courage: 63
    Firepower: 45
    Skill: 27

    He's an Autobot, and also a beat-up orange pickup truck with a snow plow (http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/animated/sentinel-prime/1583/). Green interior. His head is nearly identical to Ironfist's here.

    I don't have a name or personality yet, but his snowplows turn into a bludgeoning weapon of some sort.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)01:09 No.17373192
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    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)01:15 No.17373253
    Sound interesting. This is kinda what my concept of the Exile/Machine Wars is.
    >Humans get sick of TFs having wars on Earth, tell 'em to gtfo
    >Humans build giant robots to defend themselves
    >Cons (and rogue Bots) attack Earth

    My version of TransTech is a little weird; Basically, during BW a TF could survive if you took out it's biological parts, kinda like how a Terminator doesn't need the skin+miniheart to function. By BM, you can't separate the organic parts from the TF; it's like cutting the organs out of an animal. By the time of TransTech, you can't even tell that Cybertron is TechnoOrganic; you can tell where the machine ends and the beast begins. They have all the benefits of technologicals and organics with almost none of the flaws.
    The Dimension Wars are pure fanon. I'm thinking that several timelines become aware of each other and start a war (this might loop back into the Alternity angle too).
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)01:22 No.17373300
    Also (I just thought of this) TOs/TransTechs aren't entirely welcome on worlds beside Cybertron. They differ from baseline TFs so much that they could be considered a separate species. Another thing that causes concern is TransTechs can reproduce sexually so they don't need factories to build chasses (sp?) for newborn sparks. TransTech are starting to slowly filter out onto other Cybertronian colonies.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)01:23 No.17373319
    rolled 2 = 2

    I'll do at leat one more write-up, maybe two.

    2=The Fall
    3=The Return
    4=The Renewal
    5=Great Upgrade
    6=The Change
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)01:27 No.17373349
    That sounds about right. Makes you wonder what kind of war machines humans would come up with, especially reverse-engineered from Transformers. It does remind me of this crazy mixed-up mech setting idea I had, where it's implied earth Battlemechs were first built on the skeletons of the Transformer-equivalents. Yeah, I have a lot of weird ideas.

    Transtech and so on seems to imply that the Transformers take a lot of biotechnology and such philosophy from Earth, and it gets totally out of control.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)01:31 No.17373369
    >The Fall
    The Fall is the result of the hubris and pride created by The Golden Age.
    It starts with politcians. More and more of the elite are concerned with power, money, and influence. They form secret rackets, illegal trading/smuggling groups, goon squads, etc.
    When things go south and civvies get burned, they jump out and say "The other guys did it!"
    Tensions between Bots and Cons skyrocket.
    The newsfeeds are full of reports on all these shocking crimes (of which are actually relatively few), whipping the public into a frenzy.

    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)01:35 No.17373394
    Wait, is this the current events thread? I'm looking for the Transformers RPG thread.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)01:39 No.17373431
    >Transtech and so on seems to imply that the Transformers take a lot of biotechnology and such philosophy from Earth, and it gets totally out of control.
    This is a very valid point of view. I could imagine a group of fanantical TransTechs would try to force the "Ascension" on worlds that didn't want or need it.

    Around this time the term "Cybertronian" started to be used with less frequency.
    Sectors with mixed populations started to experience gang wars.
    And then he appeared; Megatron, the Scourge of Kaon.
    A former miner who got over his head in debt, Megatron was "contracted" by the local Senator into the gladiatorial pits.
    But from this hellhole he forged an army. The slaves, the poor, the discontent, the lowly...All were his soldiers. Even most of Kaon's sentries, the elite Seekers, sided with him.
    In a single night, Kaon fell.

    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)01:46 No.17373479
    I hope we can get more people involved.

    Should we pop into /toy/ and get them in on this maybe?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)01:48 No.17373496
    Megatron served as an example; with enough will one could bring a city to its knees.
    Multiforce-14's revolution was another blow that shook the fragile balance.
    M-14 was created as prototype super-soldier during the First War. He was held in a military installation in Sybar for research after he was found toward the beginning in the era.
    No one is sure how escaped from a high-security military installation.
    But he did.
    The base at Sybar was manned by Bots. The City and its complement of Sentries were Decepticons. M-14's new "Destrons" obliterated all Autobot military presence in Sybar and declared independence from all hierarchies except their own.

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)01:51 No.17373525
    uhh. Prolly not.
    /toy/ dudes don't neccesarily into lore. Also, there's probably more GEEWUN/Ruined Forever people in /toy/
    I would recommend /co/, but they're really a bunch of shitheads over in TFG (I guarentee someone would be asking for rules for/explicit detailing of sex)
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)01:54 No.17373551
    Taking a little break from typing.
    Sorry for the delay between posts, I am pretty much making everything up from scratch with each post.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)01:55 No.17373565
    There aren't really any GEEWUNNER types on /toy/, I think the most persistent of them left right after RotF happened, but that board is rather small, and there are a handful of very dedicated posters who exist to be annoying.

    It's a slow board, too, so I'd expect five posts of "not /toy/ related hurr," maybe one or two interested souls, and then someone somehow dragging either Jin Saotome or Walky into the thread. Although Jin hasn't done anything Transformersy in a while, so maybe that guy won't notice.

    I haven't sat in any /co/ Transformers threads, but since they're generals, I assume that, yes, that's probably a bad idea.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)01:59 No.17373583
    There was a GEEWUNNER there a couple of weeks ago. But Jin really doesn't do anything except troll (or does he?). But from what I've seen on /toy/ I'd say about 50% of posters who collect TFs don't know very much about the fluff.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)02:04 No.17373613
    /toy/ thread
    Let's hope it ain't shit.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)02:21 No.17373720
    My wrist hurts.
    I'll try to fiinsh writing out the details of The Fall tomorrow.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)02:27 No.17373751
    Ye olde TFQuest I mentioned;

    Any comments or criticisms about crunch/fluff/etc?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)02:32 No.17373778
    Man, I really gotta brush up on my TransTech...

    Let's see what happens tomorrow. I'm tired.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)02:34 No.17373794
    My recomendations.

    Go with 5 base "races" and use the 4 classes from WFC.

    Scientist (Healer/Special powers based, lowest health)
    Scout (Speedy, Glass Cannon, low health, stealth)
    Leader (Slow, Buffer and Supporter, decent health)
    Soldier (Damage powers, Slow, Highest health)

    The 5 races would be:

    Constructicon - The builders, the makers, the preservers and the shakers. These are the guys who you get to make a city, keep it running, and bring it down when it needs to be removed. Favoured Class: Leader.

    Omnicons - Your sports vehicles, your civilians, your massed hordes. These form the majority of the cybertronian population. Favoured Class: Any.

    Combaticons - The former military elite, they're big, tough, agressive, and not going to let you forget it. Favoured Class: Soldier.

    Aerialbots - These guys dwelt on orbitals, the floating cities above cybertron's surface. They viewed themselves as above the petty squables of the grounders, but recent times have thrust their lot in with the rest of Cybertron. Their favoured class is Scientist.

    Minicons - Micromasters, Minibots, Tinicons. Whatever their name, these guys are the smallest cybertronians around. Always ignored, always underfoot. They're naturals at spying and scouting. Favoured Class: Scout.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)13:12 No.17377285
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)13:15 No.17377310
    >Play any supers rpg
    >Make your character a giant robot that can transform

    Congratulations you just made a transformer RPG.

    In b4
    >"But the rich lore surely needs a bunch of extra rules for it hurp durp"

    Start reading that M&M, chum.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)14:16 No.17377785
    Show the write-up for Pretenders then. Show me a Gestalt that doesn't have shit-tier components.
    M&M is an okay starting point but it cannot support many options of the TF universe.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)14:17 No.17377796
    >Implying it can't
    Get Mecha & Manga.

    if you are still mad that some minor details aren't in there, add in yourself. Or upgrade to Hero system.

    And yes, 3e and 2e are easy as fuck to convert in M&M.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)14:27 No.17377878
    Present me evidence, good sir. Don't name off sourcebooks, show me a working build.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)15:11 No.17378242
    Can we talk about a straight up wargame or should I make a new thread? I'm more interested in toy based wargame of massive armies facing off against one another then a RPG. And if Hasbro really wanted to go the Transformers RPG route, that would be the way to go, since they already make the "miniatures"
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)15:15 No.17378275
    Someone should put together a game that works with the actual toys.

    They still publish tech specs on the packaging anyways.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)15:18 No.17378301
    I guess you could talk about it here.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)15:20 No.17378317
    That would work pretty good for something like Bionicle, as well.

    The "minis" would be easy to convert, at least
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)15:25 No.17378361
    You'd just have to do a warhammer conversion based on size class of the toy. Stats are all there, but something like 2000pt army, 300pts for a Supreme, 200 for a Leader, 100 for a Voyager, 50 for a deluxe, 20 for a Basic, and 10 for a Legend.

    Each size class uses different damage die, each character has a list of 4E style abilities, some only useable as the larger size class toy, smaller toys have fewer abilities, and then a rule like only 1 version of a character per army.

    Make stuff like Transforming and combining movement options, abilities for alt modes, and let gestalts (including *masters) use all the abilities of their members, and you just about cover everything.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)15:31 No.17378417
    >no TransMech

    In its defense it's relatively obscure, as it's for SpyCraft 2E IIRC.

    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)15:32 No.17378425
    So for a Double Targetmaster like Needlenose, he costs 50pts for a deluxe, gets 4 abilites, one of which is transforming, a couple attacks, and an esacpe ability in his jet mode. Then his two target master partners cost 10pts each, each have 2 abilities, transforming and an attack that does 1d6 or w/e, and then when in gun mode they have a thing that says when used as a weapon, add 1d6 to users attacks.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)17:33 No.17379411
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    bump or whatever
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)18:04 No.17379713
    Have a description of Kaon, hopefully making it more of a location than just a name:

    Kaon is the largest city on Cybertron, a metropolis three times the size of Iacon, it has always been the Industrial capitol of the world.
    Split into two parts, the upper citadel of Kolkular, rising above the rest of the city state like a colossal metallic tree. Inside this inner city the administrative facilities of Kaon are housed, including Trypticon Prison, the Kaon Militia HQ, and the Grand Forum (where great Cybertronian leaders are immortilized in statue form).
    Because of the great height of Kolkular compared to the rest of Kaon, the only way to reach the citadel is via the great bridges that stretch for miles, or by flight. It this for this reason that many who visit Kolkular do not realise that it is only part of the great city of Kaon.

    Beneath Kolkular lies the main part of Kaon. At the dawn of history, it was much like other cybertronian city states, but over the vorns, the area was heavily mined and excavated for the underlying metals and rare alloys.
    As a result, the city of Kaon has become little more than a colossal pit, filled with hastily erected scrap metal shelters, where the miners, workers, and other drones seek shelter from the periodic acid storms.
    The mining work continues, stretching further and deeper each cycle, so much so that it is rumoured that the lowest set of tunnels have reached layers of construction from a time before cybertronian civilization, and that strange creatures well in these underworld realms.
    Kaon proper is dark, the only illumination coming from energon-tools, the optics of the workers, and the great smelting pools which dominate the landscape around the Kolkular.
    These pools of molten metal are where the metal provender of Kaon is taken, smelted, reduced to its raw components, and sent up into Kolkular for processing. Over the ages, they have also been used for disposing of the bodies of undesirables.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)18:13 No.17379794
    I like it.

    Also, for those who don't like the lolGenders of TFs, /toy/ came up with an interesting idea;

    >Sexual and gender traits were added by the quintessons in an attempt to market their robots towards organics.
    >The best part is, the species that purchase based on sexual imagery are fully aware of the fact that it's a marketing gimmick and they STILL fall for it!

    It's interesting at least.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)18:15 No.17379811
    Upon the rise of Megatron, Kaon was one of the first ten cities to fall to the Decepticons (the name Decepticon coming from the Iaconian "Decus Septem", or "those of the ten enclosures").
    He disposed of the rulers of Kolkular, literally throwing them off the edge and into the smelting pools below. Then claimed the Prison of Trypticon as his fortress, relying on the fortification to keep enemies out, as well as they kept inmates inside.
    The mining has stopped for the first time, the drones have become soldiers, albiet disposable ones, and Kaon has become a city of Slaughter, with every area turned into a battleground for training. The smelting pools have become a way to dispose of prisoners, or emptied and turned into vast gladitorial arenas.
    The bridges linking Kolkular with the outside were destroyed, meaning the only way to approach the citadel is by flight, and with Vos falling to the Decepticon movement, most of the orbital craft on Cybertron now belongs to Megatron.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)18:26 No.17379918
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    I've been working on a TFRPG for a while, I never figured there was any interest in the sort of thing and I was just scribbling it out of futility. If there's interest I can work a lot harder on it, use my group as the playtest guinea pigs. It's a lot of random factors to start, but players later on get to build their character on their frame.

    Here were the basic concepts of my design:
    - Characters start with a Protoform, a base character. All Protoforms have the same stats, which are based on the classic stat system from TF packaging.
    - Protoform is altered by randomly determining your Origin Province (Iacon, Kaon, etc.). Each Province has base alterations as well as tables to determine starting class, which alters further.
    - Characters roll on history charts to add minute adjustments, gain skills, traits.
    - Players, depending on their build, receive a number of "construction points" that they use to flesh out their frame. This is how a character comes up with their alt mode. If they want to be a motorcycle they would buy two agile wheels, for example. I went with this to allow for creative builds and the option for Triple Changers (More than three modes is hard to pull off, so no Sixshot). Placement of the alt mode "kibble" to body locations mean that when those locations are injured there's a chance the component is broken in alt mode. Where things can be placed is governed by the size of the location (think grid-based inventories in game, you gotta tetris the parts).
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)18:27 No.17379932
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    - Weapons are very broad, in categories (Cannons, Rays, Melee, Missiles, etc.). Players take the base weapon, then modify it using "Power Chip Rectifiers" found/purchased in game. This is to allow players to distinguish their weapons, giving options, without having to create a massive table of the various items in TF Lore. A player could recreate Starscream's Null Ray or create something of their own. Power Chips will sometimes have restrictions, but will always modify the weapon into something new and chips can be combined depending on the base weapon.
    - Character progression will not be standard leveling, instead if characters wish to advance they must upgrade components with higher quality ones.
    - Though I'm still working out the logistics, I'm striving to make transformation critically important. More than just using your alt mode as a "inter-scene travel" device. Special abilities that combine with alt mode use, transformation bonuses, etc. Also weapons are sometimes restricted to one mode over the other (because it's cheaper to have a weapon only in Alt Mode rather than both Alt and Bot mode)
    - Loyalty system, depending on factors within the mission, the loyalty of a character is constantly challenged. Your Loyalty rating will have an effect on how some Power Chips work, how your transformation abilities behave, and most importantly if you "fall" you lose your character (though he may appear later as the enemy!)

    I mean, that's just what I've done on my own. It's not really compiled ina single document but if /tg/ wants I can work something out. But if you guys would rather do this the /tg/ team-homebrew way then I understand.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)18:34 No.17379987
    I like your system. The only problem I see is that it really seems suited for long-term play, it seems really super crunchy.
    My system really isn't that robust and is more suited for short-term and pick-up play.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)18:38 No.17380020
    It was certainly designed for campaign style play, and given the inclusion of transformation and alt modes it made the use of a battle mat and crunchy combat rules a must. The base rules are fairly simple, but yes the "construction" rules for both bot and weapon are very hefty.

    Like I said, I'm just spouting what I had done simply because this is the first time I've ever seen interest in a TF style game.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)19:30 No.17380514
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    bump. I'll try to continue my write-up later
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)19:54 No.17380706
    Now, a companion to Kaon: Iacon.

    Located near the northern polar cap of Cybertron, Iacon is an ancient city, mostly contained within a shining crystalline Dome, where the ancient buildings of a long forgotten golden age are still used by the modern residents.
    Inside the dome the buildings consist of tall, spindly spires, the tallest almost scraping the roof of the Great Dome. The towers are used by the Elite of Cybertron as their halls of government, with the Cybertronian Senate meeting within the great Tower of Pion, at the center of the dome.
    Nearby, the Decagon stands, somewhat squat compared to the other structures in the dome. Inside this ten sided tower, the Cybertron Elite Guard has their headquarters and training facilities. The Guard has been the one intercity Military since the Second Golden Age began, protecting all the city states and enforcing rule, but technically being part of none of them.
    Never the less, due to being headquartered in Iacon, many view them as Iacon's fist, maintaining the city state's command over the others.

    Outside the Dome, New Iacon keeps its golden age feel, with large plazas, imposing forums, and towering Academies. The citizens go about their lives in luxury, as the decorative pools flow with energon-infused oils, and the Imperial Ampitheatre is constantly full of Iaconians watching everpresent Sporting events.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)19:55 No.17380720

    Beneath the surface though, some cybertronians enjoy Iacon's less intellectual delights. From the Oilhouses, which are full of Iacon's labourers who scorn the luxuries of the above ground plazas, to the Oilsport arenas where mech confronts mech in battles to the death, to entertain the most bloodhungry bots.

    Outside the city are the vast Kalicon Plains, vast expanses of metal, broken only by roads, a network of chemical rivers, and the Energon Farms where crystalline energon is grown via nucleation, and then transported to either Iacon, or its sister city of Kalis, where the the great fusion reactors of the city convert energon into power for the great cities of Cybertron.

    Kalis has always had a strong relationship to Iacon, for it grew up around Iacon's necropolis, where the ancient dead of Iacon were intered, deep beneath the surface of the city, in a network of tombs. Due to this, Kalis has been sometimes disparagingly called the City of the Dead.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)20:16 No.17380882
    I remember there was a WOD based beast wars rpg onna net like 3 years ago, i'll try to dig it up for you
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)20:18 No.17380902
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    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)20:19 No.17380917

    that guy's face is absurdly punchable
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/30/11(Fri)20:55 No.17381224
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    That's like the third time that's been posted.
    >Not sure if troll or attention whore
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)21:01 No.17381264
    Alternity canonically follows Binaltech. It's the continuation of the closed-timeline that happened when Binaltech diverged before the Battle of Autobot City.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/11(Fri)23:18 No.17382507
    He's a trip from /k/. Some of us / them seem to like him, and others see nothing but a photo posting trip. Undecided myself.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)06:24 No.17383326
    if you really want a Transformers RPG, consult the few companies that develop said RPG gamebooks and if enough interest is formed, they could go around speaking with Hasbro/Takara to print up some Transformer RPG books, tabletop material, etc.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)10:56 No.17384704
    Considering Hasbro owns WotC and the D&D licences its shocking this hasn't happened already.
    Bumping, as I'm late to this discussion but am interested. Might roll up a Transformer.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)13:36 No.17385661
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    bumping for more cybertron geography and history.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)14:01 No.17385798
    I'll take that as my cue.

    >Continuing The Fall
    Another notable rebellion occured im Mentax province on Minoris (Cybertron's smallest moon). Mentax was a trade hub that saw vast traffic of alien organics and even hosted some small organic settlements. The Guardian Prime of Mentax Sector, Sentinel Prime was a firm adherent of the Maximal ideology. Inspired by Megatron's example, Sentinel Prime and his forces unleashed a bloody purge on the native organic population and set up a network of privateers to attack alien vessels. His rebellion continued into the early part of The Renewal.

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)14:11 No.17385861

    Alarmed by the sudden rise in violence and threat of upheaval, Zeta Prime, Guardian Prime of Iacon and Supreme Commander of The United Cybertron Military, engaged in series of battles to pacify insurgent elements. Zeta Prime finally engaged Megatron in the Battle of J'Wan.
    It is sometimes said by those who witnessed their duel that it was as though two gods fought each other; No one who knew the diplomatic, stately Zeta Prime would have imagined that he had the resolve or the skill to defend himself from Megatron.

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)14:31 No.17385996
    The duel ended with a single shot.
    Both Megatron and the Prime were battered, barely able to stand. Their weapons had been either destroyed or discarded due to lack of ammunition. Megatron fell backwards after a vicious blow from Zeta. His scrabbling hand found a pistol; he had no way of knowing if even had a charge left.
    Zeta moved in for the kill.
    Megatron aimed and fired a single shot.
    It wasn't an immediate killshot; but at such a point-blank range, it was lethal.
    They both knew this.
    A squad of Seekers strafed by, forcing Zeta to dive for cover as Megatron fled.
    A young soldier rushed to his wounded leader's side, expertly sniping a few hovering Seekers.
    Zeta could barely stand; the youth bore much of the brunt of the Prime's weight.
    The following is the young soldier's account of Zeta Prime's last words;
    >"What...what is your name..."
    >"Orion Pax, sir."
    > "Pax? A...good lineage..."
    >"Sir, you mustn't strain yo-"
    >"The dying...have a right to do...whatever we damn well please..."
    >"Yes, sir."
    >"Did you...want to fight, Orion?"
    >"No, sir, but I knew I had to."
    >"As did...I."
    >"Please, sir, just rest while we get you to a medic."
    >"Orion...you must...understand. There...is a cycle...war, peace, war, peace...this will not last. One day there will be peace."
    >"But you also admitted that would be another war after that peace."
    >"Heh...maybe so. But...promise me...Orion...promise...you...won't...lose...hope..."
    >It is here that Zeta Prime died


    >quality arecept
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)14:40 No.17386058
    The Autobots had lost their greatest, and perhaps only hero. They were shocked. They were afraid. They needed a symbol.
    The Senate was aware of all of this when the elected the next Guardian Prime of Iacon, the next Autobot Supreme Commander.
    Who better than the young librarian-turned soldier who went to war out of selfless duty?
    Who better than he who charged behind enemy lines to rescue his fallen leader?
    Who better than he whom Zeta Prime chose as his final confidant?
    The Senate was unanimous.
    Orion Pax ascended to rank of Guardian Prime of Iacon and took the name "Optimus Prime"
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)15:02 No.17386177
    The Senate had wanted Optimus to be a symbol.
    They later found out that he was also a leader, a thinker, and a tactician.
    His first day as Autobot Supreme Commander saw the issuing of twenty-five decrees.
    Among them were the conscription of City-State Sentry teams into the main army, the temporary seizure of private factories to produce war materiel, and an increase in energon tithes.
    Megatron and Optimus danced a waltz across Cybertron; one would gain a new territory only to cede another.
    This bitter struggle continued for years.
    Once it was clear that the War wasn't ending anytime soon, The Exodus began.
    Millions built ships and blind-jumped into the far reaches of space. One group of Maximal refugees later formed the Neo-Cybertronian Empire.
    Cybertron, once a teeming planet of 2 billion mechanoids, now hosted little over a million inhabitants.
    Cybertron's moons, Minoris and Majoris, still remained populated but were in many wars worse than Cybertron itself. Total war between dozens of empires waged on the moons.
    At long last, Optimus Prime decided that Cybertron was beyond saving.
    He secretly commisioned a fleet of Ark-class spacecraft and ordered the evacuation of Cybertron.
    Optimus Prime's own ship, the "Ark-1" was intercepted by Megatron's flagship, "The Nemesis."
    After a ship-to-ship battle and a failed Decepticon boarding raid, both ships crashed onto a primitive planet. The inhabitants of both vessels entered into stasis, waiting to awaken...
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)16:00 No.17386564
    I think I need to make some kinda table for special abilities, like Extra Alt Mode, Teleportation, Holograms, Flight, etc.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)16:46 No.17386836
    Agreed. Some kind of vague class system perhaps? In any case, Rollin' a Transformer.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)16:49 No.17386856
    rolled 10 = 10

    rollan strength
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)16:51 No.17386869
    So how does this work? I reroll, but what do I do with the new number?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)16:53 No.17386882
    I dunno about classes. Classes seem kinda out-of-place in Transfromers. But I might co-opt crunchanon's idea of background and history as part of character creation.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)16:54 No.17386894
    Actually, I derped when I posted the rules. You have 90 Strength. Go ahead and roll the next stat.
    >> dice+1d10 Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)16:56 No.17386907
    Cool. Rollan Intelligence!
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)16:57 No.17386917
    rolled 10 = 10

    it'd sure be nice to type in the right field!
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)16:59 No.17386929
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    rolled 10 = 10

    90 strength, 90 intelligence ... so I'm an educated bruiser.
    Rollan Speed.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:00 No.17386933
    Maybe the "classes" can just be the various special types of transformers?

    Combiners, Pretenders, triple+changers, and all the somethingmasters.

    They each get some new bonus at the cost of something else.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:03 No.17386945
    rolled 8 = 8

    ... wat ...

    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:04 No.17386952
    rolled 7 = 7

    Okay, so I am doing it right.
    Rollan Courage
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:07 No.17386977
    what dark gods are you sacrificing to? I want some.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:08 No.17386983
    rolled 1 = 1

    Rollan Firepower
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:12 No.17387012
    rolled 7 = 7

    ... ... ... the kind that are pacifists, apparently.
    Rollan Skill
    >> dice+2d10 Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:16 No.17387028
    Rollan Colours
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:19 No.17387046
    rolled 6, 8 = 14

    Dangit. Colours,
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:20 No.17387052
    So, we're looking at a transformer:
    90 Strength
    90 Intelligence
    90 Speed
    72 Endurance
    63 Courage
    9 Firepower
    63 Skill
    Who is Orange with White details. I don't even know where to begin.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:26 No.17387084
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    Well, the colours suggest Sunstorm.
    He's a fundamentalist Decepticon with the desire to BURN ALL THAT IS IMPURE!
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:27 No.17387087
    I guess fire wouldn't do much damage against a robot ...
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:30 No.17387107
    Especially with 9 in firepower
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:32 No.17387119
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    Hmm, true, the firepower thing.

    Well, there's always leadfoot.
    Turns into an F1 car, has a bit of mode attachment so is rarely in his robot mode. And has a minicon weapon system, so doesn't need to worry about low fireblast.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:44 No.17387206
    That's what I was getting at. I think his colours are going to be Black and Silver instead of Orange and White, because screw you guys.
    Name: Crusader Alpha
    Altmode: Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird
    Foregoing modern ranged weaponry as "dishonourable," this Autobot takes the fight to the Decepticons using his incredible speed and strength.
    Alpha is often looked down upon by his leaders for his tendency to ruin well-laid plans by charging into battle headlong and his eagerness to engage in combat when other, more peaceful options are available. Despite this, or perhaps because of it, he has made quite an impression on the younger Autobot recruits.
    While sometimes a maverick, and always a glory-seeker, Alpha will always be there when his friends are in trouble.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)17:46 No.17387218
    I thought the idea was to make a new Transformer? If not, Leadfoot seems kinda cool ... only ... 90 speed.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)19:14 No.17387964
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    His name is Rustbucket, and he is intensely grouchy.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)19:38 No.17388141
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    Made one for myself:

    Strength: 36
    Intelligence: 18
    Speed: 81
    Endurance: 54
    Courage: 27
    Firepower: 54
    Skill: 45

    Altmode: Souped-up car (+20 speed and -10 end in alt mode)

    Dominant Color: Blue
    Accent: White

    HP: 108

    I have dubbed him "Quickstreak," and he is the dumbest, fastest decepticon ever.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)19:42 No.17388179
    Why aren't there McDonalds rpgs? It's much bigger franchise than Transformers.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)19:43 No.17388182
    The fact that the chargen is capable of sparking such creativity it is very promising.
    I'll try to make a special ability table or write-up more alt-modes tonight.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)19:43 No.17388184
    I think you might be the first Decepticon in this thread.

    I hope you get some teammates, man.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)19:50 No.17388256

    He doesn't need teammates, he needs handlers.

    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)19:57 No.17388304
    Ooh, nice usage of the Kup mould, and nice colouration.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)20:14 No.17388462
    >Goes fast
    >Not smart
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    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)20:27 No.17388559
    >I don't into /co/ memes
    Gotta go fast.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)20:32 No.17388587

    No, I got it. I just can't believe I accidentally created a Sonic-based character. I feel sullied.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)20:34 No.17388606
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    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 12/31/11(Sat)20:38 No.17388635
    That reminds me of a time when I was making a character for M&M...
    >Going to make a chick with super-strength/brick powers
    >Give her green leotard and red hair
    >Name her "Knock-Out"
    >Google the name out of curiousity
    >I had accidently recreated DC's Knock-Out almost perfectly
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)22:10 No.17389219
    Great minds think alike, as they say ... but ...
    A) Real Knock-Out is Evil.
    2) Real Knock-Out is Dead.

    If you played her successor trying to clear her name that would've been super-cool.
    >> Anonymous 12/31/11(Sat)22:33 No.17389400
    Okay, more locations:

    Polyhex is the location of one of the oldest settlments on Cybertron, with archeometrical data showing that there have been inhabitants there since before the Golden Age.
    The city state surrounds Darkmount, a natural plasma vent in the surface, where plasma rises from the core of cybertron, providing warmth and light to the early settlers.
    During the modern era, the city of Polyhex has become a haven for artists and sculptors, seeking inspiration from the plasma-fires of the planet's core.

    One of the first cities to fall during the rise of the Decepticons, Polyhex was placed under the the command of Straxus. This new Governor used the Plasma vent to stoke the fires of a Smelting Pool, and began a brutal series of crackdowns, designed to remove any trace of rebellion.
    Those who survived this savage regime still ended up severely damaged and out of fuel, and with Polyhex itself now home to the Decepticon military, the civilians and neutrals from before the war, ended up not being able to leave the city state proper, and made themselves a shanty down on the borders. This place, known as the Dead End, formed a natural barrier for the state, as the neutrals cluster about anyone who tries to sneak in there, begging for fuel and parts. Ruining any attempts at stealth.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)00:11 No.17390190
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    Happy New Year guize
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)03:35 No.17391292
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    polite bump with a map of Cybertron
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)10:16 No.17392741
    If there is one thing that irritates me about common depictions of Cybertron, it's the 100+ mile deep lolcanyons.

    >trainers nfurned
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)10:19 No.17392753
    whats wrong with them?
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)14:17 No.17394145
    They're not 100-mile-deep, they're CORE-deep, according to that diagram.

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)14:20 No.17394159
    They make Cybertron look like a ball of swiss cheese.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)14:28 No.17394194
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    I prefer the WFC/Prime/Aligned Cybertron
    >> Angry Tau 01/01/12(Sun)15:08 No.17394420
    I actually run a very successful Transformers RPG, using NWOD system (because it is easy to use, above anything else)

    When it comes to the details of Cybertron itself, this is how I handled it.

    Cybertron has many cities, but two major complexes dominate it's surface. The Polar cities of Kaon and Iacon are so immense that every smaller city that surrounds them can be more closely viewed as a "subarb" of these gigantic Cities.

    Iacon is the major trade and corporate hub of the planet, holding the planets largest space port. This port is also known as Iacon Tower or Iacon Central, and has been the center of Autobot Operations on the planet for as long as anyone can remember. While it lacks the raw production capacity of Kaon, it makes up for it in it's cosmopolitan nature and powerful scientific centers that dot the city. Unlike Kaon, most of the city exists on the surface of Cybertron, and very little penetrates down into the depths of the planet.

    Kaon is the manufacturing center of the planet, where the original plasma furnaces that created the transformers rest. Kaon is far less concentrated then Iacon, spread out over the surface and even penetrating deep into the surface of the planet so the largest machines of infrastructure (and later war) could be built. The center of the city (more commonly known as the Citidel by Decepticons) is the largest single structure on Cybertron, a massive block of unknown metal that sinks deep into the planet. The surface of the citidel houses a temple to all of the fallen Decepticon leaders.
    >> Angry Tau 01/01/12(Sun)15:09 No.17394423
    (fuck you, field too long page!)
    In both cities lies a great shaft that can take a transformer to the very center of the planet, where Vector Sigma rests. This shaft has either been forgotten (Kaon), or is fiercely protected (Iacon) as it is the only known way to bring sentience to new robots.

    The Sea of Rust is the other dominating feature of the planet. An immense crater, who's birthing explosion was so great, the surface of cybertron warped and bent outward around it, shrapnel still floating in space over it. Legends speak of a glowing crystal city called Dion, a center of peace and learning and the symbol of everlasting peace for cybertron after one of it's many wars. Rumor has it that Megatron destroyed it early in his campaign to remove a uniting symbol from the planet, and make his rise to power easier.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)19:00 No.17396409
    Did a background/history table inspired by crunchanon. If everyone thinks it's ok, I'll start writing up each background.


    If a background seems incompatible with a character (like a Scientist with 9 Int), you may re-roll your result

    >roll 1d10

    You don't know about science, tactics, or higher learning, but you know how get shit done
    You come from one of Cybertron's wealthy families. You have rare gadgets and a silver toungue.
    You were a member of one of the many Sentry teams. You juggle between combat effectiveness and investigative ability
    You held political office on Cybertron. You know how to be subtle and how to play to the crowd.
    Whether as a Hospital Doctor or a Field Medic, you've learn how to repair serious wounds and provide advanced care.
    You were among Cybertron's best and brightest. You know how to build fortifications, weapons, and computers.
    You were trained in a military academy. You know how to fight, how to plan, and how to win.
    Whether acting for an official government or private interest, you now how to watch without being seen.
    You've been (or perhaps are) on the wrong side of the law. You know how to play it cool and how to figure out who's trying to screw you over.
    Roll twice on this table.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)19:55 No.17396824

    Oooooh, I like this. I like this a lot.

    We need to consider classes. Any suggestions?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)19:56 No.17396839
    In-fiction examples; G1 Ironhide, TFA Bulkhead

    Favored Skills;
    >Select one skill. This is now a favored skill.

    >Roll 3 times on the Common Ability Table

    >Apply a conditional -10 difficulty to Leadership or Negotiation when interacting with individuals who view you as lowly due to your social stauts.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)20:02 No.17396872
    In-fiction examples; G1 Mirage

    Favored Skills;

    >Roll once on the Uncommon Ability Table and once on the Rare Ability Table

    >Apply a conditional +10 difficulty to Leadership or Negotiation when interacting with individuals who view you as educated due to your social stauts.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)20:10 No.17396928
    In-fiction examples; G1 Devcon, BW Depthcharge

    Favored Skills;

    >Roll twice on the Uncommon Ability Table

    >Hold-out Pistol; All sentries have a secondary sidearm in the event that their main weapon is destroyed or lost. A back-up pistol deals damage as though the Sentry's Firepower was halved (round down)
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)20:15 No.17396956

    It's been a long time since I saw it, but I thought I remember finding a Transformers RPG someone homebrewed using....I think it was modified d20 Mecha rules.

    I don't have the PDF anymore & hadn't thought about it in years until I saw this thread.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)20:15 No.17396962
    In-fiction examples; G1 Ratbat

    Favored Skills;
    >Leadership, Negotiation

    >Roll three times on the Uncommon Ability Table

    >Connections; You know who knows someone. The exact effects of this ability are up to the GM, but in general the Politician may make a Negotiation or Leadership check once per 3 in-game days to call-in a favor of some sort.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)20:20 No.17396992
    In-fiction examples; G1 Ratchet, G1 Hook

    Favored Skills;
    >Repair, Deduction

    >Roll once on the Common Ability Table and
    once on the Uncommon Ability Table

    >Medtech Training; You can attempt the Advanced uses of the Repair skill without proper tools at a -15 penalty instead of the usual -30 penalty.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)20:21 No.17396999
    Taking a break at the halfway point, brb

    >almost stomitm
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)20:22 No.17397009
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    I still favour the ones from War for Cybertron. Leader, Scientist, Scout and Soldier.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)20:24 No.17397029
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    ME GRIMLOCK like this thread
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)20:29 No.17397079

    Are those names from the comics? I remember the Quintessons referring to the Transformers as Consumer Goods (became the Autobots after the revolt) and Military Hardware (became the Decepticons).

    And BTW: kudos on including the Quintessons; I thought they were cool, better than that Unicron = Satan garbage that was later invented.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)20:47 No.17397226
    The "Autonomous Robots" actually comes from Botcon's Shattered Glass comic. I made up the "Deceptive Constructs".

    I was prolly gonna two versions of the Transformer creation story for gms to choose from.

    Cybertron was an organic planet colonized and turned into a factory by Quints. They created the Transformers. The "Spark" isn't an observable physical phenomenon (just like a soul is invisible). Unicron is a giant transformer built by alien space monkey.

    Primus and Unicron exist but are much lower in terms of power level. The were/are both energy beings that got trapped in planets. Unicron went into a technologically advanced planet which he turned into his body. Primus went into an organic planet and asexually reproduced, creating the Sparks of Transformers. The Quints come and are all
    >dood, look at those glowy things let's put 'em in robots or summin
    >mite be cool

    I'd rather not do classes tbh. They don't seem to fit Transformers.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)20:50 No.17397252
    Also re; semi-mystical Unicron, he wouldn't be the modern lolnighomnipotent one common in modern fiction. I was thinking Marvel G1 Unicron, whose essence could only be destroyed by the Matrix but whose physical form could get blown to shit by planetkiller weapons.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)21:04 No.17397354
    Personally, I'd prefer the name decepticon to have a not quite "We are the evil guys" meaning.
    This is why I've proposed it coming from "Decus Septem" of the Ten Enclosures. Meaning the original 10 cities to fall to the Decepticon movement.

    The Autobots would be the League of Autonomous Cybertronians. Being composed of city states who have allied together for protection against the cons. Much like the greeks made the Delian League for protection against Persia.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)21:12 No.17397425
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    Okay, using my D&D dice roller for my character, I have this so far:

    Name: Highbank
    Autobot Male

    STR 50
    INT 90
    SPD 90
    END 70
    COUR 60
    FIRE 70
    SKILL 30

    Alt Mode: Fast Car (1970 Plymouth Superbird): Get +20 Speed and -10 Endurance while in Alt Mode

    Color: (Corporation) Blue with black accents

    Amidoinitrite, Buzzclaw??
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)21:14 No.17397445

    I like your style, Buzzclaw.

    from >>17397425
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)21:21 No.17397499
    I was actually thinking that the origins of the names are partially what contributed to the Autobot/Decepticon tension. To set the stage;
    >Quints have two Transformer lines, Civilian Hardware and Military Hardware
    >Both lines want to rebel
    >Military Hardware plays it smart; Their coups are coordinated and well-planned
    >Quints start refering to rogue Military Hardware as Deceptive Constructs
    >Inspired by their brothers, a group of Civilian Hardware calling themselves Autonomous Robots take hostages and send out nationalist speeches.
    >Autonomous Robots get slaughtered by Quint soldiers because they were essentially butlers
    >DCs due almost al of the work to drive off/out Quints and lose a lot of soldiers
    >ABs either cower, do nothing, or sabotage Quints instead of outright fighting them.
    >After the Quints leave, the UA are all "cool Deceptibros, now the UA will be the leaders of Cybertron since we're obviously smarter and you're just cannon fodder"
    That's essentially the run-up to the First Civil War. The Decepticons wear their name with pride because it represents the failure of Quintesson tyranny over them; They become more than slaves, more than tools.
    Bots and Cons do a lot of historical whitewashing, so to Cons,
    >Bots=Misguided Idealists/cowards
    >Cons=Determined freedom fighters who died to free the planet

    While Bots say
    >Bots=Honourable warriors who strive for higher ideals
    >Cons=Backstabbing brutes
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)21:22 No.17397517
    rolled 4 = 4

    Rustbucket here, let's see what I get.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)21:24 No.17397525
    rolled 1 = 1


    Oh dang.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)21:24 No.17397527
    Did you multiply your die results by 9 or by 10?
    Otherwise, yeah that's right.
    If I ever get around to finishing this I'll need to play-test this system.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)21:24 No.17397535
    I love this thread and every single one of you are fucking awedome.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)21:26 No.17397555
    Politician encompasses Senators, Governors, Adminstators, Diplomats, Mayors or even Commisioners. It could be even used for Military Officers.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)21:28 No.17397568

    I think I multiplied by 10 by mistake. Whoops lemme fix that:

    Name: Highbank
    Autobot Male

    STR 45
    INT 81
    SPD 81
    END 63
    COUR 54
    FIRE 63
    SKILL 27

    Alt Mode: Fast Car (1970 Plymouth Superbird): Get +20 Speed and -10 Endurance while in Alt Mode

    Color: (Corporation) Blue with black accents

    There we go. Is that better??
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)21:30 No.17397589
    Looks good dude.

    Damn, I need to work on more alt modes :/
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)21:39 No.17397673
    In-fiction examples; G1 Wheeljack, G1 Perceptor

    Favored Skills;
    >Science, Technology

    >Roll once on the Common Ability Table and
    twice on the Uncommon Ability Table

    >Mad Scientist; You can attempt the Advanced uses of the Science and Technology skills without proper tools at a -15 penalty instead of the usual -30 penalty.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)21:46 No.17397745
    To be honest, I think deciding on a single origin for transformers in an RPG is a mistake, given the wealth of origins the series has (Quintesson creations, Primus Creations, Technogenic evolution, Transorganic replacement).

    I'd recomend that before the First Golden Age, cybertron's history is a contradictory set of myths, legends, and ruins. No one is sure, no cocrete records remain, and it gives something for robot Archeologists to do.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)21:46 No.17397747
    In-fiction examples; G1 Ultra Magnus, G1 Onslaught, BW Dinobot

    Favored Skills;
    >Select one skill. This is now a favored skill.

    >Roll twice on the Uncommon Ability Table and
    once on the Rare Ability Table

    >Discipline; Whenever a Soldier must take a Courage Test, roll twice and take the best result.
    >Strength in Numbers; The Soldier receives a conditional +1 bonus to damage for every ally within visual range (up to +5 max).
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)21:49 No.17397771
    Well like I said, I was thinking of at least 2 origins (Cartoon and Comic/Cartoon Hybrid).
    I was planning on including the old "evolved from naturally occuring gears and levels" and the Gobots origin as well.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)23:16 No.17397860
    Aright, Rustbucket used to be an ambassador for the Autobots in (place), but there was an...incident.
    >> Anonymous 01/01/12(Sun)23:30 No.17397889
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    Okay, as someone who's taken part in quite a few discussions on Transformers, I figured I'd post some of my ideas here:

    Decepticon Tactics:
    When the Decepticons take over a settlement, they probably enforce rationing, seize factories and similar, and let the settlement dry up slightly.
    Then they offer increased energon reserves to those who join the Decepticon Imperium either as a warrior, or as a labour-mech, with Warriors getting far more resources than those in the labour-work.
    People will do almost anything for 3 recharges a day, so the Decepticon military ends up with a load of green recruits, who get given a helmet and a primitive laser-weapon, and get the Decepti-brand burnt onto their chassis. They're then sent in mass waves against the autobots in warzones.

    Most die, but any recruit who shows the cunning to survive, the desperation to kill, and the cruelty to enjoy it, eventually moves up in rank, and ceases to be grist in the mill, getting access to more refined energon, better equipment, and more free time.

    When a settlement is firmly turned to Megatron's will, with all inhabitents Decepticon battle-drones or labour-mechs, then the next settlement over gets "discovered" to be plotting an attack on Decepticon land, and the settlement is attacked pre-emptively.
    And the cycle begins all over again.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)23:40 No.17397925
    In-fiction examples; G1 Bumblebee, G1 Punch/Counterpunch, G1 Laserbeak, G1/BW Ravage

    Favored Skills;
    >Deduction, Stealth

    >Roll once on the Rare Ability Table

    >Plausible Deniability; Spies are rarely acknowledged by their benefactors. Subject to GM's discretion, some allied Government Elements might ignore your activities or requests.
    >No one would suspect; You gain a +20 on difficulty to convince others that you're not involved in shady business.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)23:51 No.17397967
    In-fiction examples; G1 Swindle, G1 Wildrider, BW Megatron

    Favored Skills;
    >Select two skills. These are now your favored skills.

    >Roll three times on the Uncommon Ability Table

    >Paranoia; All Deduction and Negotiation tests add a -10 penalty to the difficulty due to the air of mistrust that originates from you.
    >Lone Gunbot; As long as there are no allies within visual range, Criminals roll twice for Courage Tests and take the better result.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)23:54 No.17397977
    In-fiction examples; G1 Megatron, G1 Optimus Prime

    >Roll twice again on the History table. You gain all traits from those backgrounds. Further rolls of Storied are cumulative.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)23:56 No.17397988
    rolled 5, 4, 9, 3, 3, 5, 3 = 32

    Rollan a char for shits and giggles.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/01/12(Sun)23:59 No.17398001
    rolled 10, 2, 10 = 22

    -Strength 45
    -Intelligence 36
    -Speed 81
    -Endurance 27
    -Courage 27
    -Firepower 45
    -Skill 27
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)00:05 No.17398024
    rolled 10, 4 = 14

    Primary Color: Teal
    Sec Color: Purple

    rollan for storied
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)00:06 No.17398028
    rolled 7, 3 = 10

    So Ploitician + something else
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)00:09 No.17398038

    Politician, Sentry, and Soldier. Sounds like a Sue or a GMPC
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)00:14 No.17398066
    cars only? no jet mode?
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)00:21 No.17398093
    Is there a difference?

    Seriously though, you've probably made a General, or other type of commander. Good at leading military forces, but rough at other stuff.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)00:26 No.17398119
    Alt modes are still a wip. Planes, Boats, Monsters, Military Vehicles, etc. will be eventually statted up.

    A general with below-average Intelligence who can run real fast...
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)00:30 No.17398139
    I'll wait until then, but thanks for your post and the game rules
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)00:38 No.17398184
    Official. The question was why hasn't hasbro cashed in on these venue.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)00:40 No.17398193
    Speaking of alt modes, I'm going with vague catch-all categories like I posted earlier.
    These are some on the shortlist;
    >Plane, Nimble (Fighters)
    >Plane, Heavy (Passenger jets, Bombers)
    >Monster, Ground
    >Monster, Air
    >Monster, Sea
    >Boat, Civilian
    >Boat, Military
    >Military Vehicle, Light (Humvees, APCs)
    >Military Vehicle, Heavy (Tanks)
    >Car, Racing
    >Trailer Truck
    >Animal, Giant Sea
    >Animal, Giant Air

    Any other alt mode suggestions?
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)00:42 No.17398198
    rolled 3, 6, 1, 5, 1, 3, 10 = 29

    lets see what i get making deceptacon
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)00:44 No.17398209
    rolled 10, 2, 5, 9, 5, 6, 8 = 45

    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)00:48 No.17398239
    has this been archived
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)00:52 No.17398261
    Well, you're missing:
    Minicar (Bumblebee, Cliffjumper, Chase, etc)
    Van (Soundwave, Ironhide, Kup)
    Regular Car (Jazz, Prowl, Bluestreak, you know, the Hood chest brigade).
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)00:53 No.17398268
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    Strength 27
    -Intelligence 81
    -Speed 72
    -Endurance 63
    -Courage 54
    -Firepower 72
    -Skill 27

    Sex: Male
    Color: Main-Grey, Secondary-Orange
    HP: 126
    Class: Engineer
    Alt Mode:Nimble (Fighters) / Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II - Plane
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)00:56 No.17398294
    Yes, it has.

    Yeah, good call.
    >Regular Car
    Not sure about this one.
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)01:08 No.17398369
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    The Sonic Canyons
    Said by some to function as the auditory sensors of Primus. Others describe how they are the scars left by a primordial battle at the start of cybertron's history.
    Regardless of their origin, the Sonic Canyons are a network of trenches in Cybertron's surface, cutting deep into the planet. Legend says they are so deep that they reach the core of Cybertron itself, although there is no way to prove this as the blue glow of Cherenkov radiation would fry anyone who tried to plumb their depths.
    Adding to the dangers of radioactivity, the canyons are famed and named due to their thundering nature, with the walls echoing from sounds of underground machinery, and of the cybertronians who dwell on the edge of the canyon, in spite of the dangers of radiation, deafness, and scrapfalls caused by the terrible noise.
    In part, the villages set up on the edge are there because of the rare compounds found by those who are desperate enough to descend them. These aluminium phyllosilicates are essential to the construction of new transformers, and in times of hardship squads of miners, armed with sonic shielding and plasma-cutters, descend to claim the materials needed.
    Bordering some of the canyons on the northern edge lies the desert named the Rust Sea, and at these points, the silicates from the desert fall endlessly into the depths of the canyon. These sandfalls were a popular landmark for travellers before the war broke out.
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)01:10 No.17398377
    Well, assuming the racing car is for bots like Mirage and Drag Strip, wouldn't you need one for the general cars? Not every car is built for speed.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)01:15 No.17398414
    I'm just not sure how to stat a regular car.
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)01:18 No.17398437
    Ah, you used to have "Car, Utility" on your list, which I guess would be the same. Presumably just not as fast as other cars, and not as tough as vans/trucks, but between the two.
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)01:21 No.17398451
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    i haven't gone through the whole thread but my gf is running a TF RPG for my RPG group. now i don't know all the stuff she put in the game but it is balanced. its late here so if people are interst, i can post the game stuff tomorrow. pic was the vehicle my first character was.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)01:25 No.17398466
    Sounds good. I'm headin off to bed.
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)06:03 No.17399937
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    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)08:23 No.17400801
    rolled 9 = 9

    Crusader Alpha rollan for Background.
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)08:33 No.17400845
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    Criminal ...

    ... so, a criminal shuns his past to become a valiant knight and win glory and redeem himself.

    I LIKE IT!
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)11:18 No.17401634
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    Just a small comparison pic of three leaders from the War for Cybertron games, to show how they use the same basic mold, but look very different, due to their individual details.
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)11:25 No.17401677
    > over-focus on grognards.
    You kind of got that kind of backwards. WotC's RPG development is shrinking because they didn't give enough attention to the existing D&D fanbase - the grognards.
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)12:50 No.17402143
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    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)13:22 No.17402342
    rolled 2, 2, 7, 10, 1, 7, 9, 8, 7 = 53

    Might as well make a character. I was really in to beast wars as a kid but don't know much about the comics.
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)13:33 No.17402422
    Is that War Within?

    Anyway, rough sketch of ToC for this thing

    >Player Section
    -Ch 0 ; Introduction
    --What are Transformers
    --What is a man?
    --How to play
    -Ch 1 ; Characters
    --Alt Modes
    -Ch 2 ; Combat
    -Ch 3 ; Example of play
    >GM section
    -Ch 4 ; The Setting
    ---Sample Timeline
    ---Major Sites
    ---Minor Sites
    Ch 5; Add-ons
    -Masterforce Technologies
    -Pretender Technology
    --Organic Pretender Shells
    --Mega-class Pretender Shells
    --Integrated Pretender Dermaform
    --Techno-Organic Hybrid
    -Ch 6 ; Enemies and Allies
    ---Shitload of characters
    ---Shitload of characters
    ---Shitload of characters
    ---Shitload of characters
    ---Shitload of characters
    ---Shitload of characters
    ---Shitload of characters
    --Minor Factions (Destrons, Protectabots)
    ---Shitload of characters

    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)13:37 No.17402443
    rolled 2 = 2

    Guess I should do gender
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)13:51 No.17402532
    rolled 3 = 3

    and a role for background.
    >> Forever ST/GM Guy 01/02/12(Mon)13:55 No.17402561
    Why do I have this desire to run a BW2nd-style game of robotic Decepticons and beast moded Autobots.

    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)14:00 No.17402594
    Best Transformer accesory ever
    or most best Transformer accesory ever?
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)14:16 No.17402688
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    Name: Tracer
    Autobot Male
    Background: Sentry
    STR 18
    INT 18
    SPD 63
    END 81
    COUR 9
    FIRE 63
    SKILL 72

    Alt Mode: Fast Car (Crown Victoria): Get +20 Speed and -10 Endurance while in Alt Mode

    Color: White with black
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)14:35 No.17402847
    derp I missed Combiners
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)16:05 No.17403643
    Nice, nice work here.

    But we need more Decepticons.

    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)16:27 No.17403828
    rolled 1, 5, 2, 4, 10, 2, 9, 6, 8, 3, 10 = 60

    I guess I could give the Decepticons a go.
    >> Anonymous 01/02/12(Mon)16:54 No.17404137
    Yeah, watching that intro reminded me of Combiners. How would they work in-game?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)17:10 No.17404291
    I'm extremely unsure. I was considering something like averaging the stats of all the components together and adding a ~+2 bonus per component for most stats.

    I'm considering doing two quickstart booklets (1 Autobot, 1 Decepticon natch) before I do the full rules. Is that a good idea?
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)17:18 No.17404361
    Also, I need suggestions for important NPCs to include with the main rules. I mean like Major/Prominent Characters. Bit-part characters would be detailed in a separate sourcebook(s).
    >> Buzzclaw !!GuBRMOHpyR4 01/02/12(Mon)17:31 No.17404466
    In case anyone was wondering, Multi-Force 14 isn't a real TF, he was a Diaclone toy.

    And this Mosaic is what inspired his inclusion;

    >versions: esoutua

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