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    119 KB TG Quest 16: Fingolfin's Legacy OP 11/09/11(Wed)00:17 No.16891353  

    Last thread: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/16887973/

    Short Summary: You are in the tomb of Fingolfin, in the final Riddle-Chamber. You came here searching for the legendary sword Ringil, which you hope you can use to distract Sauron while you steal a Ring of Power from him in order to bribe Ahriman.

    Just a few moments ago, one of the Aurors detected something in the walls. Thinking out of the box, you beamed down some markers and dry erase boards so they could 'talk' while under the Ward of Silence. That Auror is hastily scribbling something.

    "Walls have pumps in them!!!"
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:21 No.16891379
    >OP's image
    >all my love for this quest

    Let's do this.
    >> Research Fag 11/09/11(Wed)00:21 No.16891381
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:22 No.16891389

    You know this is the first time I've taken part in this quest. And you know, when I saw it going on, I thought it was just a horrible crossover game. Like Narrator didn't understand the universe he was in. Canonical mistakes being made left and right. I didn't look at the thread itself just glanced at it.

    I was totally wrong, this quest is AMAZING.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:24 No.16891400
    Pumps? Hmm.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:25 No.16891406
    >"Walls have pumps in them!!!"
    Most likely water, at high pressure. How quickly could we beam the team out?
    I suppose now all we have to do is open the latches in the correct order, but I swear to god it seems like we're missing something with the 12 statues of the 12 houses with the 12 emblems of their houses. Oh well.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:25 No.16891407

    Could be a trap mechanism.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:25 No.16891411
    Or a way to make that swirly whirpool work.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:26 No.16891413
    >Walls have pumps in them!!!
    Could be anything from a final defensive measure, to something mundane, like feeding the fountain that's in the center of this chamber.

    Alright, to make sure that we don't accidentally cause problems, let's give our clues to the away team via text messages on the tricorders.

    The items held by the statues all SEEM to be in the correct order.
    Is there anything we could use to identify specific Houses to their statues, to confirm that they're holding the right object related to their House?

    We already confirmed that the statue of Turgon is holding the correct item.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:27 No.16891418
    The order of the gates would be Wood, Stone, Bronze, Iron, Silver, Gold, and Steel.
    And I hope the twelve statues are just decorative, because I have no idea what we should do with them.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:27 No.16891420
    Is Glorfindel holding a Golden Flower OP?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:28 No.16891435
    Oh, right. Derp. The room has fountains so the pumps just feed those. Thus, the pumps aren't hazardous.

    Well, might as well try this.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:29 No.16891443
    I just wanna say OP, that you're doing an awesome job.
    You have us jumping at shadows, triple-thinking ourselves, wracking our brains to see if we missed some clue that's staring us in the face, and yet we're still having fun.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)00:29 No.16891447
    Indeed he is.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:29 No.16891449
    Let's double check the statues just to be sure.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:29 No.16891453
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    >Sweet Cuppin' Cakes
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:30 No.16891459
    Oh, well then. Let's open the latches.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:30 No.16891461
    Let's first cautiously see if their objects can be moved?
    Like is there a way the Aurors can check without touching the statues themselves?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:31 No.16891466
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)00:31 No.16891469
    So you are opening the latches in this order?

    And leaving the statues alone?
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)00:32 No.16891478
    The objects are in open palms and do not seem to be connected to the statues physically.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:34 No.16891488
    Well, we know the order for the latches.
    As long as all the statues are hold the the right emblems, we're probably good.
    Don't touch any of the statue items if they are correct. It could be an anti-thief trick. Tomb raiders start grabbing shit and trigger a death trap.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:35 No.16891494
    Leave the items alone. They are likely a trap to catch people looting the phat loot, instead of paying their respects to the dead.
    Open the latches in the order listed
    >Wood, Stone, Bronze, Iron, Silver, Gold, and Steel.
    And bow your head in reverence to the fallen hero.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:38 No.16891516
    Good point. Plus assuming legitimate mourners came here, they probably wouldn't want to play a game of mix and match.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:38 No.16891518
    Agreeing with these two.
    I can't see anything for us to do with the statues and their items, except maybe that we need to open each latch using an item of the House that guarded that Gate, but that sounds too abstract, even for Tolkien elves.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:39 No.16891529
    Yeah, if you think about it, the riddles are easy for the royality of Gondolin. So, open the latches in order.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)00:40 No.16891531
    You open the latches in that order and though each comes free, the door will not budge forward.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:41 No.16891541
    We must've done something wrong.
    What might happen if we opened the latches in reverse order?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:42 No.16891544
    Oh, shit...

    Well, look on the bright side. We aren't dead.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:42 No.16891550
    Is there any ominous shaking and/or rumbling?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:44 No.16891557
    >the door will not budge forward.
    Door not opening: bad.
    Nothing trying to kill us, yet: good, so far.

    Okay, what could we have missed? Maybe something to do with the heart of Finwë and Turgon's statue?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:45 No.16891568
    >Maybe something to do with the heart of Finwë and Turgon's statue?
    They could be out of order.
    Aurors, scan for pressure plates under the statues or joins in the things themselves!
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:45 No.16891572
    Then we push the door. If pulling doesn't work, you push the door. And vice-versa.

    And if that don't work, re-latch everything and then try something else.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)00:45 No.16891573
    Not that you can hear.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:45 No.16891575
    Does the chamber have any natural light in it?
    Like maybe there are runes that need moonlight to be visible?
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)00:47 No.16891581
    No natural light. The light in this tomb seems to come from shimmering jewels set into the walls.

    The Aurors use their tricorders, but can locate no pressure plates in the room.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:48 No.16891589
    Wonder what we did wrong, then.
    The only thing I can think of is closing the latches and reopening them in reverse order, but that might get TRAPS OUT THE ASS overflowin' on us.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:48 No.16891594
    This may or may not help.

    OP! The statue that is holding the ruby, is it Turgon, or is it Feanor. And, is it Finwe? This is probably useless, but I'm just brainstorming on who it could be.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:49 No.16891605
    Yeah, that sounds way too dangerous to try right now.

    Is there no elven script in this room?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:51 No.16891618
    Oh, it could be Fingon as well.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:51 No.16891619
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    So the real question is: What are we overlooking?
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)00:52 No.16891627
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    It is Turgon.

    No. Just the wall decorations, the statues with their swords saluting, and the 12 statues presenting the objects as if in offering.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:52 No.16891629
    Water. Beleriand is submerged dude. Suprised this place survived. Probably the wards kept it intact
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:53 No.16891640
    Hm. While Ecthelion loved both flutes and diamonds, that wasn't the symbol of his house.
    His House's true symbol was a fountain.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:54 No.16891653
    So we need to put the fountain in his hands somehow?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:55 No.16891655
    Well, knew that was probably a dead end. Makes sense it's him since he built this place.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)00:55 No.16891661
    YES, well, it's worth a try at least.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:56 No.16891673
    ...holy shit. You're right. I've read that passage probably 4 times by now, and only now do I see it.

    Let's close up the latches again, and then have someone look in that whirlpool in the room, see if there's a place to put that flute.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)00:59 No.16891700
    So we either need to put the fountain in the statue's hands, or the flute in the fountain, or possibly we just pick up the statue and drop it in the fountain :P

    Good detective workin' there, lads. We're getting us a Ringil.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:01 No.16891714
    Guys guys guys,
    quoting OP:
    "The objects the statues offer forth are:

    1) a swan wing,
    2) a black statuette of a mole,
    3) a purple feather,
    4) a small arch,
    5) a green branch,
    6) a thick icicle,
    7) a flower of pure gold,
    8) a flute carved from an immense diamond,
    9) a silver harp,
    10) a black hammer, and
    11) a heart carved from a single huge ruby

    There are 12 statues, but 11 objects ...
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:01 No.16891715
    Sounds like a plan, but I'm paranoid about whether the latches need to be closed in a specific order or not.
    Like... I assume doing... whatever we're supposed to do with the flute and whirlpool/fountain is meant to move the water around a bit, perhaps even opening the door with hydraulics, so maybe the door shouldn't be blocked?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:01 No.16891721
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    Ah crap. In light of this world actually being round, I just got the worst feeling going over the tale of Morgoth from the angle of the Meta.. Ilurambar, invisible Walls of the World.. fourth wall.. the Void, Outside, etc..
    My brain is bending at the implications.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:01 No.16891722
    There are two stone whirlpools, one for each aqueduct on each wall. The water pours down them and is lost to darkness.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:02 No.16891734

    Let me check if this is correct or not.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:05 No.16891757
    Hm, that's true. >>16891062
    That on purpose OP?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:05 No.16891764
    Dude, we are not starting Dagor Dragorath. Least I hope we don't. We may have to return here, cause you guys mentioned those fixers. They might try to stop Dagor Dragorath from happening, thinking they are bettering Middle-Earth because of it.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:05 No.16891766
    Sonofabitch, you're right.
    How did we miss that?

    Hey OP, is that on purpose, or did you just forget one?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:07 No.16891777
    So, how do we get the Fountain to where it needs to go?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:10 No.16891793
    After careful examination, I found that 'the pillar' and 'the tower of snow' are in fact two different houses, but they were lead by the same guy.
    ..Actually there should just be eleven statues if that's the case.
    That means that one of those statues is an impostor.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:10 No.16891797
    I was more concerned that the Door of Night that leads to the Outside is a gateway to the Meta space and all the things that could mean.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:10 No.16891802
    Or there are two statues of the one guy.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:11 No.16891808
    It is, but not the way you think. I couldn't find a listing for anything about the twelfth house's heraldry/emblem or anything I could use in its stead, and forgot to make one up before hitting submit. I shall rectify that now.

    It is holding a silver arrow.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:12 No.16891821
    ...Alright, remove the flute.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:13 No.16891824
    A lot of balls to admit you made a mistake OP. Now answer me this. Who are all the statues of. Are two of the same guy? His name is lost to me at this moment.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:13 No.16891825
    Thlim Climbol and Thlim Ith Mindon were still separate houses. Though they shared a leader at the time of the Fall of Gondolin.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:13 No.16891826
    I will man up and admit that I missed that, somehow. My mistake. There are 11 statues.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:14 No.16891840
    Regardless, the door isn't open.
    Is there any way we could potentially put a fountain in the hands of the guy with the flute?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:15 No.16891844
    Ok then. No leads at the statues. Anyone have any suggestions? I'm lost.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:15 No.16891845
    His name is Penlod, but there's only statue of him.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:16 No.16891853
    If you guys wants, I will roll dice to see if Egon can figure out a hint to give you. He is, after all, Egon.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:16 No.16891854
    What if we remove the flute and it's revealed that the statue had a fountain built into its hands the whole time?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:16 No.16891860
    Thanks OP, it takes a lot of guts and integrity to man up like that.

    Alright, now that we have that cleared out, it seems like our next course of action is clear; find some way to replace the flute with a fountain.

    Maybe we should have our away team search the room again?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:17 No.16891863
    Do it please. I'm lost.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:18 No.16891873
    Fine by me.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:18 No.16891876
    rolled 14 = 14

    Egon rubs his chin and motions for the dry-erase board.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:20 No.16891891
    Please tell me low is good.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:20 No.16891893
    Egon scribbles onto the board.

    "I'm not very sure myself. The only thing I can think of is that given the way the statues are holding the objects, some form of offering must be made?"
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:20 No.16891895
    Egon does not know anything! Damn.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:20 No.16891896
    ...He's just going to shrug isn't he?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:23 No.16891912
    An offering eh?
    The only thing I can think of is taking the flute and playing a song on it.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:23 No.16891916
    > The only thing I can think of is that given the way the statues are holding the objects, some form of offering must be made?
    The statues are offering things representing their houses or things they like, and also things that are valuable.
    What item would represent a typical elven mourner coming here?
    Furthermore, where would you PLACE the offering?
    If we can find where the offering is to be placed, we can just analyse the residue and molecules of it to see what was offered before.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:25 No.16891927
    No pressure plates...Where would it be placed.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:26 No.16891934
    High is good, unfortunately.

    An offering? Do we unlatch the door and then offer something?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:27 No.16891938
    my guess is the worked stone whirlpool
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:27 No.16891943
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    The mind reels.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:28 No.16891952
    What would you offer in a whirlpool? Bah.
    I don't know enough of the Tolkiens to answer, and would in theory require additional hints.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:28 No.16891955
    It's elven magic, brother. First Age elven magic. They don't need pressure plates to have the offering work.

    We need better wizards/mages.

    Fuck. We're gonna have to bring Ahriman here, aren't we?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:29 No.16891957
    Perhaps we are the ones that must make an offering, not fiddling with the other offerings.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:29 No.16891959
    ...Didn't we just scan a shitload of Elven knowledge?
    Can ANON search for Elven funerary practices?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:29 No.16891960
    Oh god. Oh lawdy...the possibilities.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:30 No.16891968
    ...Oh dear god I hope not.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:31 No.16891972
    rolled 59 = 59

    Egon scribbles on the board again.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:31 No.16891975
    Ahriman would probably be VERY intrigued at the prospect of all this ancient elven knowledge.

    >introduce offere

    Captcha says go with the offerings.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:31 No.16891976
    Can the aurors detect where the pipes are? Like namely if they are in places that don't make sense, like within a statue?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:31 No.16891979
    Possible, but what would we offer?

    ANON, anything in the Rivendell library scans that show what the traditional offering for an elven funeral was?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:33 No.16891987
    Maybe what we need to offer is our respect to the deceased?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:34 No.16891996
    Why is it that thinking about Chaos and Morgoth leaves an unsettling thought cackling at the back of my mind:
    Just as Planned.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:37 No.16892022
    rolled 86 = 86

    Egon writes, "I think you might be onto something. There doesn't seem to be a place to put offerings here. Perhaps whatever offering is to be made must be offered by the person opening the door? Held up, like the statues."

    ANON: "Elven funeral rites have a large amount of symbolism inherent within them. I will attempt to go through the lore and find possible clues, but it will take a long time."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:39 No.16892037
    Understood. Wonder what they want.
    We could just try a gem from Smaug's horde that we looted, but that doesn't carry any personal significance for us like the items the others are holding.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:39 No.16892039
    Damnit... After all Fingolfin did, what could we possibly offer to equal what he gave? Riches, blood, even souls can't rival all he sacrificed, plus the latter two are super un-elfy. I can't think of any object we have, or any object on Middle Earth save a Silmaril, that would be worthy.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:40 No.16892044
    We have to offer something that represents us. What represent's /tg/?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:41 No.16892046
    Would explain why Chaos is so meta-aware if Melkor had a connection to them and the Valar were meta beings of some sort.

    &@$^&(#& >Oromë loved them and gave them the name Eldar (People of the Stars).

    Someone please stop my brain from continuing to make connections like this, my head will explode.

    Though if any canon were to have a deep meta connection, the one credited for inspiring so many others makes sense.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:43 No.16892062
    Does the Transspace Guard have an emblem?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:43 No.16892069
    Do 'we' as in the character within the quest who is giving the orders and doing most of the talking, even exist as a corporeal person?
    Because if an offering needs to be made, it is our place to make it, not any of our subordinates.

    If we do have a physical body, let's get down there and try offering up our badge maybe?
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)01:43 No.16892071
    What if we take water from one of the streams and either put it in the other, on a statue, etc or just hold it up like egon says?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:44 No.16892077

    I don't think it's about offering something of great value, it's about what represents us.

    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:44 No.16892079
    The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer.

    Either that, or A *Cat bone statue* encircled with bands and spikes of Cat leather and with an engraving of cheese.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:44 No.16892080
    The statues all have something that the person valued, that felt represented who they were and what their House was best represented by.
    Especially Ecthelion holding up a flute rather than a fountain.

    So perhaps we need to:
    1. Unlock the latches in the proper order.
    2a. Offer up what defines us, TG.
    2b. Offer up something that a mourning Noldor would offer.
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)01:46 No.16892089
    water might represent the tears of the mourners?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:46 No.16892092
    Worth a shot. Let's try it.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:46 No.16892096
    Unfortunately, we can't find the Simaril's magical signature being that they are both in dormant states.
    ...I'd still like to take the Arkenstone, just to check if it is one or not, but it's probably a bad idea because the dwarves probably have Thorin's tomb under constant guard.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:47 No.16892105
    "Maybe nothing CAN equal what Fingolfin gave..." Egon muses.
    >> Taffer 11/09/11(Wed)01:47 No.16892109
    Wait a second, how about we offer up "The Lord of the Rings" by J.R.R. Tolkein to represent the Transpace Guard? We keep canon canon, repersented by itself.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:47 No.16892114
    > /tg open up your dice bags and offer up a die
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:47 No.16892116
    2a sounds right.
    Do as the statues do, offer an emblem of our 'house' to show our honor and respect for the one whose tomb we seek to enter. A sign of loyalty to his ideals.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:48 No.16892119
    >What represent's /tg/?

    We go down there.
    And we shave our neckbeard.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:48 No.16892128
    The universe would collapse if that book was here. Least that's how I see it.
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)01:49 No.16892132
    Sounds like op wants us to hold up our empty hands, representing that nothing a mourner can orrer can equal what this hero gave/did.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:49 No.16892134
    So it would be possible to kneel, with grief in our hearts, and offer nothing but our memories and respects?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:49 No.16892136
    Not something we need to offer anyway. Not even the nobles are able to offer anything grand enough.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)01:50 No.16892138
    This one is probably right.

    This one is truly hilarious.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:50 No.16892140
    Alright, I'm thinking it's one of these two.
    Either a copy of LotR, or simply our hand upraised, empty, to show that there is nothing of ours that could equal Fingolfin's sacrifice.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:50 No.16892143
    ...It's worth a shot.
    Let's offer the door that which can equal Fingolfin's selfless heroism: nothing.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)01:53 No.16892167
    How are you going about offering the door nothing?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:55 No.16892183
    Get into the same stance as one of the statues, and think of the selfless acts Fingolfin performed.
    I know this probably isn't the right answer but hell, it's worth a shot.
    How's ANON doing on those Elven Funery practices?
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)01:56 No.16892187
    I suggest taking the same position the statues are in, either in front of the door, alongside them, or across from them.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:57 No.16892199
    Seems like a reasonable course of action.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)01:57 No.16892200
    Mirror the pose of the statues, only with nothing in hand?
    Part of me feels that a pose of supplication would be more suited, but I'm not sure whether or not Fingolfin would think that such reverence is better suited towards the Valar instead of him.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:00 No.16892212
    rolled 47 = 47

    Your away team assumes positions of supplication, meditating on the acts Fingolfin performed.

    Though nothing seems to have changed, you get the feeling that something has. One of the Aurors scribbles, "I feel like we're being watched."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:01 No.16892228
    >"I feel like we're being watched."
    Okay...sounds like we just activated the security system.
    Do we open the latches now?
    Or try to offer something of ours?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:02 No.16892236
    Oh shit.

    I'm mystified as to what this could mean.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:03 No.16892240
    Of course we are, we derped up the funery offer 3 times. I wouldn't be surprised if we get blow'd up if we fuck it up once more.
    Close the latches, wait for ANON to get back on what the proper offering would be, offer that and gogo. I'm ashamed to admit, but we failed this last test.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:04 No.16892246
    Crap. Who was the one who made the offering?
    All the statues are of leaders, not their servants.
    Even though it's enormously risky, we might need to go down there in person.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:04 No.16892250
    Open the Latches.
    If we win, yay!
    If we fail, port out.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:04 No.16892251
    should one of us be offering while the others are standing in salute, like the other statues with swords?

    > feels like we're being watched, by statues, oh god, weeping angels! Ahhhh......
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:05 No.16892257
    As it pains me to say it, if worse comes to worse, we may have to defile this tomb. The Tolkienfag in me would die so much if that happened, and a great sadness shall be shared by all I feel.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:06 No.16892267
    rolled 9 = 9

    Egon frowns, pulling out a PKE meter. The meter starts beeping and Egon hastily writes, "Not alone."
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:08 No.16892277
    Wights most likely.

    Start brain storming brothers, time is short.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:08 No.16892279
    I just thought of the most terrifying possibility of all.
    What if we have to... explain ourselves?
    Like we want the sword not to destroy evil (in this world at least) but to pretty much serve as a huge distraction so we can commit theft, again, not for the purpose of fighting evil, but to placate a terrifying sorcerer who is most decidedly immoral.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:08 No.16892280
    rolled 3 = 3

    Egon begins to scribble something else on the board.

    ANON: "Working..."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:09 No.16892287
    That's not good.
    That's REALLY not good.

    Can ANON tighten the search parameters on the library scrolls?
    Restrict them to funerary rights of the Noldor during the First Age.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:09 No.16892289
    At least you thought Egon was scribbling something to tell you, but he's actually just drawing a picture of Slimer eating a cheeseburger.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:09 No.16892291
    Welp, drop a camera, open the latches, port out.
    Next step is to take the damn place by force. Sad, because we almost had it, too.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:09 No.16892293
    Aw fuck, we've been judged and found wanting, haven't we?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:10 No.16892298
    Shorten that to the time of Gondolin.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:10 No.16892301
    There come the bad rolls.
    We're about to be eaten by wights aren't we?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:11 No.16892303
    Well if he's not worried, let's see how this plays out.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:11 No.16892308
    A ghostly image of an elf in tattered robes, with shining mail under the finery slowly emerges from the wall. He does not match up to any records of famous elves, and does not make any hostile moves. He seems merely to watch you, curiously.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:12 No.16892313
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    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)02:12 No.16892315
    can we beam down egons ghostbusting gear to the away team?
    If possible get ready to beam it down, or the team up, at a moments notice from either us, or any team member with a tricorder or other suitible comms device.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:14 No.16892324
    Non-hostile, eh.
    How quickly/slowly could ANON translate the blurb/intro/dedication of the Silmarillion into Elvish?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:14 No.16892325
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    Oh lawdy...
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:14 No.16892328
    Ask Egon to suppress his ghost busting instincts, for now.
    Help us Tolkienfag Kenobi, you're our only hope.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:15 No.16892331
    So he's not Fingolfin?
    Could he be one of Fingolfin's sons?
    Let's say hello.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:16 No.16892339
    I wish I could, but it's so late, and my mind is so hazy. I can't think of anything that would relate to this, or help us in anyway. Ahh I'm useless!
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)02:16 No.16892342
    Looks llike we've got the ghost of either a hero, or a tomb guardian.

    State our case and hope for the best?
    Might be best to do it silently to begin with, before we try talking. (warning at the entryway says be quiet)
    If it's unresponsive, maybe try the door again?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:17 No.16892350
    I can say he isn't one of Fingolfin's sons. His children are Turgon Fingon, Aredhel, and Argon
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:18 No.16892352
    No, we shouldn't do anything until ANON finishes that search.

    Egon should have his proton pack, but he shouldn't charge it yet.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:19 No.16892360
    Techincally, Argon's name would be Arakáno because he died before he could get a new one.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:19 No.16892362
    rolled 15 = 15

    The elf continues to watch as you frantically think of what to do.
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)02:20 No.16892368
    Isn't egon still on the ship?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:20 No.16892370
    I'm not perfect you know. I'm suprised myself I remember their names from my own memory.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:20 No.16892374
    No, he's with the away team.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:21 No.16892377
    rolled 91 = 91

    ANON: "I am unable to locate any piece of information that would seem to be of assistance. The funerary rites for great heroes are customized to them, with there being no true standard. It is part of the glory due them."

    The ghost gestures to the door, and makes the offering sign.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:21 No.16892380
    The EMH, can he change his holographic form to display what we type, translated into either Quenya or Sindarin?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:22 No.16892387
    OH GOD!

    I'm torn between this meaning either we passed the final test or we need to offer something else as a last chance to proceed.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:25 No.16892399
    Alright, so we've got to offer something, right?
    Have everyone in the away team offer their Transpace Guard combadge?
    Or should one of us Meta agents beam down, and offer up our own badge?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:26 No.16892405
    Let's try the latter I guess?
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)02:26 No.16892407
    let's do that!!
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:26 No.16892408
    We should offer a copy of the Silmarillion. Remembrance of Fingolfin's sacrifice is the only thing we have worthy of him.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:27 No.16892409
    Hmm. Well, I'm stumped.

    We could combine valuable collector's dice while remembering the sacrifices Fingolfin made. That's honestly all I can think of and I feel like a moron for not knowing.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:28 No.16892416
    >either we passed the final test or we need to offer something else
    If the latches are open but the door is still closed, then we probably haven't passed yet.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:28 No.16892418
    Ditto on everything you just said. I think we need to offer something of personal value, also have all our subortinates salute, think that should be correct as well.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:29 No.16892423
    rolled 80 = 80

    When you attempt to beam down, the teleportation engineer grimaces.

    "Uh... sir? There's... some form of passive ward around the tomb. We cannot beam inside it. I can beam you to the entrance and you can walk down, though."

    The ghost gestures to the door, and then puts his hands over his heart.
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)02:29 No.16892427
    Should we try the offerings again, try to communicate directly with ghost-elf, or something else?
    It SEEMS friendly, but elves are tricky buggers.

    Offering ideas: Water (tear symbolism), Nothing (heroic symbolism), Whatever elves find valuable(probably going to screw us if we try it)
    Other ideas: he might be saying use something from the statues on the door, might be saying the statues need something done to them to open the door, or it might be mimicing us
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:30 No.16892428
    Do we have a dataslate with a wireless link to the ongoing storm? There should be a way to attempt communication with the ghost.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:30 No.16892429
    Oh, oh um that means. That means. Dammit I can't remember.

    We should offer up something quick though.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:32 No.16892438
    >and then puts his hands over his heart.
    Offer something dear to yourself.
    Well, I'm all for option: Beam the quest's protagonist down and offer our own collective dice, Silmarilion copy, and bearded neck.
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)02:33 No.16892444
    This makes me think you guys with the "something of ours we value" plan is what it wants, or it wants us to bring it the big shiny heart from the statues, or it is going to rip out our hearts if we screw up again
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:33 No.16892445
    Maybe we need to do the same as him?
    Make the offering at the door and then hold it to our heart?
    I still think we should include some emblem to represent us. If the team there doesn't have one specific to TG, Egon could offer his Ghostbuster patch, it would have about the same meaning to him.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:34 No.16892452
    Seconding this. Honestly, it's the best chance we got.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:34 No.16892453
    Take the chance. We have to offer something precious to ourselves.

    Beam down with our Transpace Guard medallion, walk in, and offer that.
    It represents who we are, what we are, what we define ourselves as: Transpace Guard, defenders of Canon.
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)02:34 No.16892456
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:36 No.16892464
    Let's go for it.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:37 No.16892472
    I think it's about giving something of personal value of the leader's from the leader himself.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:38 No.16892476
    Hell, just putting our own personal neck on the line is a hell of an offering.
    But if we fuck this up, it's curtains.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:39 No.16892478
    I suspect the badge is the best option, because as it stands, we are an anonymous everyman, like we don't have a name, shape, or even gender really. Our position as a member of the Transpace Guard is literally the only thing we have to define us.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:39 No.16892480
    rolled 95 = 95

    One of you beams down with dice and Silmarilion copy in hand, marching down into the room to present the items. The ghostly elf seems a bit confused. He looks over all of you and then puts his palm to his forehead before walking over to the statue of Turgon and the ruby heart and waiting.
    >> Taffer 11/09/11(Wed)02:39 No.16892488
    I believe in you bro
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:40 No.16892492
    Now I'm just dumbfounded as all hell.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:40 No.16892494
    ...Do we... rip out our own heart?
    No that's stupid.
    I guess we just take the heart and show it to the door?
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)02:41 No.16892501
    me too bro
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:41 No.16892502
    Welp, here we go.
    Wonder what OP keeps rolling for.
    Offer up our stuff, give thanks for the sacrifice, and pray we don't get instagibbed.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:41 No.16892505
    Scratch that. He wants us to get the heart. I just realized it.
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)02:41 No.16892507
    Offer the shiny heart to the door, symbolizing the feelings we have for the deceased hero?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:41 No.16892508
    Reach for the heart and check to see how he responds?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:42 No.16892512
    I'm willing to bet that the solution to the puzzle is something so bleeding obvious that I'll slap myself for overlooking it. OP is probably frustrated at how we're not picking up on his hints.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:42 No.16892515
    Oh geeze.
    Did an undead elf just face-palm at us?

    Okay, so, I guess we're supposed to switch the items, or at least, take the heart and offer it to the door?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:43 No.16892521
    How did I not notice this before.
    >then puts his palm to his forehead
    He just facepalmed.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:43 No.16892522
    Hey there, OPs pic.
    How's yer hammer hangin'?
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:44 No.16892531
    You take the ruby heart and offer it to the door. The door shines with a silver light and begins to slide open as the elf gestures for you to put the heart back and then walks through the open doorway.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:45 No.16892546
    Put the heart back, of course.

    How hard was OP facepalming at us for failing the puzzle?
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    oh...fuck did we beat the Puzzle?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:46 No.16892548

    Make sure to sheepishly wave at the elf ghost before we walk through the door. Guy was a big help.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:46 No.16892549
    We do as the glowing ghost elf commands, of course.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:46 No.16892551
    Well let's walk through the door I suppose.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:47 No.16892556
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    >statues of heroes that we must offer items to in the correct order

    Anyone else think of this?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:47 No.16892560
    You know that when that ghost goes back to the office with the other magical guardians, he's going to be all like "I cannot BELIEVE some of these mourners nowadays! I think an Orc would have picked up the hints sooner."
    "Calm down, Finargon. They can't have been THAT stupid."
    "Oh no, Arfin? I had to literally go over to the statue, point at the heart, then at the door."
    "....okay, yeah, that's pretty stupid."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:47 No.16892561
    Give the elf a bow I guess?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:48 No.16892566
    >One of you beams down
    Well Tolkienfag, I think that is you.
    Go forth to the tomb of the hero.
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)02:48 No.16892568
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    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:49 No.16892574
    I'm surprised that the ghost of an elf is being so helpful to humans who are attempting to enter his tomb.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:49 No.16892577
    And that is 'bow' as in the gesture of respect, not 'bow' as in the weapon stereotypically associated with elves.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:49 No.16892578
    Put the heart back, and walk through the door.
    If we're going to be seen as stupid as some 17th-century European inbred noble, may as well have the bravery that goes along with it.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:50 No.16892583
    What makes you think that? I'm no one special, just a man who enjoys Tolkien.
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)02:51 No.16892590
    that's the point, you know more than we do
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:52 No.16892595
    What thought process did OP expect us to take, in order to get us to offer the Heart to the Door?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:52 No.16892599
    I feel so loved. Now let's do this:
    And get this done with.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:53 No.16892608
    Maybe it was a symbolic representation of our hearts? Since nothing we had could equal it?
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)02:54 No.16892612
    That the thing mourners were giving is their feelings, so we should offer a heart to represent that?

    That of the things in the room, taht the heart has to most relevence to a greif stricken elf?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:54 No.16892615
    Probably along the lines of: tomb of Fingolfin, made by Turgon, who would be better to make a funerary offering to Fingolfin than his own son?
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)02:55 No.16892620
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    You enter the Tomb of Fingolfin. It is a circular chamber with a high ceiling cut with shafts to let in sunlight. An intricate system of mirrors not only reflects the light to better see by, but makes the upper portion of the room glimmer like diamonds. The walls are carved with images of Fingolfin throughout his life, climaxing with the terrible battle against Morgoth. In the center of the room is a tower of piled stones, a cairn. On top of this cairn, is a naked sword, glittering as the light plays over it.

    The luminous form of the elf is stands by the cairn.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:56 No.16892627
    Crap, that ghost is still here isn't it?
    Is it still forbidden to speak?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)02:56 No.16892628
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    >mfw I realize the only thing more valuable than the ultimate sacrifice is the love shared between a Son and his Father.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:56 No.16892629
    Let's try to explain that great evil has been loosed on the land, and that the sword that smote evil is needed once more.

    Or, we could, you know, grab it and run.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)02:58 No.16892639
    Too bad we don't know sign language. Do we know elven sign language?
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)02:58 No.16892641
    it's okay bro, take your time
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:01 No.16892663
    While that would be hilarious, I doubt we're fast enough.
    Maybe we could explain that we are, in essence, defenders of fate, given the thankless task of ensuring that what will be, will be, no matter how terrible it is?
    And so to protect the world from a knowledge-hungry sorcerer who has lived over ten thousand bloody years in the grim darkness of a universe that knows only war, the time has come for the Cold Star to be drawn once more?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:01 No.16892664
    Walk up to the cairn.
    Lay down our TG medallion/commbadge/badge atop the cairn.
    Stand back.
    Nod to the ghost.
    Reach out hand to grasp for Ringil.
    Hope that ghost does not stop us.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:02 No.16892666
    Write in Sindarin "Evil again. Sword needed for a day. Will give sword back." on a dustboard or on the ground.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)03:02 No.16892668
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    I like this image a little better than OP's, but still, OP's is still pretty great.

    Anyways. Can anyone think of a way to communicate with the Elf Wight?
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)03:02 No.16892671
    We startrek universal translators, and all that delicious language data from the elven library we scanned for that space marine dude.
    We should be able to at least get the point across.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:03 No.16892674
    Does legimancy work on ghosts?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:05 No.16892686
    Dude, we have Egon.

    Have him capture the ghost and let's just take the sword. Then when we're done, we put the sword back, release the ghost by remote, and gtfo.
    >> sage keeps the thread alive longer, right? 11/09/11(Wed)03:05 No.16892687
    We don't want it to get stroppy and start attacking us when we could just tell it shits fucked and needs unfucking with MAGIC SWORD
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:06 No.16892693
    Wait a second now, let's not make any promises about returning the sword unless it's absolutely necessary.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:07 No.16892696
    I'd rather not.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:08 No.16892703
    Even if it's not a Canon ghost, I think the dead deserve more respect than that.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:08 No.16892704
    >>Walls of the World

    Shit man, so meta. It makes sense in a roundabout, insane point of view.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)03:08 No.16892708
    You write that in Elvish and show it to the ghostly elf. He responds in a whisper that is translated by your Trektranslators.

    "You may speak quietly within this chamber. It is permitted, human. It was... somewhat obvious you were not here to pay your respects, though I had hoped otherwise. Long has it been since a visitor graced these halls."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:09 No.16892714
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    There is one robot whose regular attacks can break the "walls of the world".
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:11 No.16892724
    While it is true that we had at least some ulterior motives, we do still wish to offer our respects to him.
    Did you know that there are countless worlds out there, of elves, men, dwarves, and many more races?
    And yet amongst them, rare indeed is the hero that can rival the deeds of Fingolfin.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)03:13 No.16892735
    "Evil has returned, Guardian. The seeds of Morgoth flourish. The great blade Ringil is needed once more. I wish that I could grace these halls at a different time so that my mind is not clouded by such worries. Shall we be permitted to take the blade, Guardian? Perhaps, one day, I can return to simply honor the memory of Fingolfin."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:13 No.16892737
    Well let's introduce ourselves, enthusiastically thank him for his assistance, and than politely ask his name?
    >> Taffer 11/09/11(Wed)03:14 No.16892741
    "I apologize in advance for the presumptousness of the words that I'm about to say.

    <deep breath>

    We humbly request the sword, Ringil. We require it to save not only Middle-Earth, but other worlds from evil."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:15 No.16892750
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:15 No.16892752
    Why'd we have to promise to bring the sword back?

    "I'm sorry that your kin could not come here for this. You may be happy to know that a descendant of yours still lives, and your line is assured for, oh, the next two to three hundred years at least.
    "But yes, you might remember a certain servant of Morgoth by the name of Sauron? He's up to no good again, and we'd like to use your sword in causing him some grief."
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)03:16 No.16892754
    Who shall win I wonder?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:16 No.16892755
    "Gorthaur has risen again in the east, and is marshaling a force greater than any can hope to match. Our only hope of defeating him is a swift strike, but against a foe such as he only the mightiest weapons will do. We have come to ask that Ringil (Ringril?) be lent for this purpose, after which we will return the blade."

    Everything is technically true.
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)03:16 No.16892756
    we somehow combine these two posts
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:17 No.16892761
    This is true.

    Also, it's 3am. Call it here for today, pick up tomorrow?
    Also, do any of the Reasonable Marines know how to wield an ancient sword? They probably do, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

    The idea is, Reasonable Marines (one with Ringil) and X-com soldiers stage an obvious attack at Barad-dur to draw the attention of Sauron.
    While Sauron's gaze is elsewhere, Tosh and the Aurors teleport into Barad-dur and start searching for one of the Dwarf's rings.
    I'd strongly recommend getting some kind of steel box to put the ring in as soon as it's found, to prevent whoever carries it from immediately putting it on under its influence.

    We get the ring, give it to Ahriman, who HOPEFULLY agrees to leave this world. It's entirely possible he puts the f*cking thing on and then immediately attacks us, so an Orbital Bombardment solution should be prepared.

    Then we put the Sword back, and fly off to base for our mission complete screen.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:18 No.16892769
    Lol you guys.
    We almost autosaged the 2nd thread as well.
    Lots of participation tonight.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)03:19 No.16892775
    "I apologize in advance for the presumptousness of the words that I'm about to say. Evil has returned, Guardian. The seeds of Morgoth flourish. The great blade Ringil is needed once more. I wish that I could grace these halls at a different time so that my mind is not clouded by such worries. Shall we be permitted to take the blade, Guardian? Perhaps, one day, I can return to simply honor the memory of Fingolfin. We humbly request the sword, Ringil. We require it to save not only Middle-Earth, but other worlds from evil."
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)03:19 No.16892777
    Stop reading ahead!

    "I had feared as much. Perhaps it is fortune then, that you failed the last ritual. When you offered nothing but gratitude, it stirred me awake. Had you attempted a false offering of one of the other House's items, or even worse had tried to STEAL one of them..." the ghost trails off, shaking his head. "All the same. I cannot allow you to just walk out of here with the blade, no matter what the threat. Present who is to wield it to me."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:20 No.16892782
    I feel that Ringil could do a lot more good, if it came with us.
    It's not going to do anything more in this Canon, but it's power can still be wielded to defend the fabric of reality.
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)03:20 No.16892784
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    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:22 No.16892793
    Even after Melkor's final defeat, evil remains in Middle Earth. His servant, Sauron, who you may know as Mairon, has spread his darkness across the world and threatens to consume it.
    The good news is that Sauron's defeat is as inevitable as the sunrise, and he will meet the fate of his master soon enough.
    The bad news is that a being from outside Arda, no... outside Eä has come to this land, and seeks to disrupt fate's design for the sake of knowledge. This being is a sorcerer who has lasted ten thousand years in a grim and dark universe that knows only war, where even hope is just another chain to bind you to the cruel and laughing gods.
    To remove this interloper, and to destroy similar intruders who would make a mockery of destiny, I fear I have no choice but to request you let us take the blade Ringil so that it's icy blade can once more taste the flesh of the wicked who would impose their design on the innocent.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)03:22 No.16892797
    I'd like to wrap this up if you guys are game. You're very close to closing the book on the tomb.

    Yes, the Reasonable Marines know how to wield swords. Just because their doctrine prefers ranged combat and non-lethal tactics does not mean they don't have 4 WS. So I guess you must choose between a Knight Inductor and Demoman.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:23 No.16892798

    Who's our best swordsman?
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)03:23 No.16892799
    I don't think a drunken black Irishman is the symbol of heroism that the Guardian needs to be presented with. We need a worthy champion, a man of valor, and honor, who shall always put others above himself in any situation.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:23 No.16892803
    >Present who is to wield it to me
    While I would have liked to have seen the Demoman wielding it, I suppose seriousness needs to win out here.

    My three suggestions:
    1. Star-Lord - Hero character, well-versed in many different combat systems
    2. Spike - Hero character, got at close-combat
    3. Knights Inductor squad leader - superhuman reflexes, speed, and strength. Also extreme dedication to duty and the protection of the innocent.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:24 No.16892804
    show him the BLU Demo, then.
    >> Taffer 11/09/11(Wed)03:24 No.16892807
    The best swordsman of the Knights Inductor. I don't want a drunk Scot to be touching a epically legendary sword.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:25 No.16892810
    ...New plan. Instead of the Demo-Man, let's send Star-Lord down here.
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)03:25 No.16892815
    >> Taffer 11/09/11(Wed)03:26 No.16892818
    Star-Lord is a good choice too, Either the KI or Starlord
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)03:26 No.16892821
    I read the Knights Inductor stories. So, I vote for the best swordsman of the Reasonable Marines to be brought forth to the Guardian.

    OP, does this Guardian look blind?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:27 No.16892826
    Seconding this. Star Lord has a history of being granted ridiculous powers by semi-mystic entities. He's well suited to getting the sword.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:27 No.16892827
    Shouldn't we also consider Hero characters?
    Specifically Star-Lord?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:28 No.16892831
    Checking his bio, it says that Star-Lord is a master fencer.
    So he has some experience with a blade.
    But a Knight Inductor might be better.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:30 No.16892840
    Aye, between a Knight Inductor and Star-Lord.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:30 No.16892841
    Actually from a slightly metagamey perspective, a Knight Inductor would be a better choice, since that would cause the Knight to become a hero, like Mouse did maybe?

    ...On second thought, never mind. Let's send Peter Quill down here.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:30 No.16892844
    Fencing isn't done with that kind of sword.

    I vote for the KI leader.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:30 No.16892849
    Reasonable Marine seems the best bet imo. Whoever is good with a sword and has performed heroic deeds.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)03:31 No.16892851
    ANON: "Why not send both, stating we have two champions ready to take up the blade."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:31 No.16892852
    Maybe we should send both down if the ghost doesn't like one of them?
    But have the Knight go first.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:31 No.16892854
    Hm. That does tip me toward him, but the Reasonable Marines.. argh. Bit drawn here.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:31 No.16892855
    Gonna vote for the KI.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:31 No.16892857
    However, a Knight Inductor has enhanced speed, strength, and reflexes, things that Star-Lord no longer has now that his cybernetic augments were removed when he fought against Phalanx.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:32 No.16892861
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)03:32 No.16892865
    hands down, it's gonna be a KI

    my vote for Knight Inductor
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)03:32 No.16892866
    I'm going to bed, and I think this might be the best option. Also let the Guardian choose who gets to weild it.

    I still want the KI to take it though
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:32 No.16892867
    Sounds good, the KI gets first priority.
    Shame about the Demo-Man, but after all we've been through, it would feel almost more sacrilegious than funny.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:32 No.16892869
    >Send both, have ghost choose
    Let's do that. Otherwise we're going to be deadlocked for a while.
    >> mick824 11/09/11(Wed)03:34 No.16892875
    ok let's send them both
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:34 No.16892876
    Great idea, he's much more qualified than us to determine who be worthy.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)03:37 No.16892896
    One of the Knight Inductor's best swordsmen is called away from his squad along with Star-Lord. Both make the trip down to see the Guardian. He looks over the two, then speaks.

    "Impressive looking, to be sure. If you prove that you have the skill necessary to do the blade honor with a test, then I may lend the sword out to you. However, you must return it in 100 year's time. And if you choose to undertake the test, know that you take your very life into your hands, for one must be willing to take such risks to fully battle Evil."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:39 No.16892907
    >100 years time
    ...I think we can manage that.

    Are Star-Lord and the Knight comfortable with proceeding?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:39 No.16892908

    Like there's any test on Middle Earth than even comes close to the rigors of Astartes training.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:39 No.16892909
    Wish you brought Amuro along instead of Char now, huh?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:39 No.16892910
    Hm, we could get him new augments, but that's a matter for another time.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:41 No.16892913
    I completely forgot that Char works for us now as well.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:42 No.16892917
    It is fully up to Star-Lord and the Knight, this is a completely voluntary choice.

    As for returning it within 100 years, we'll need to have ANON put a reminder on our calendar.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:43 No.16892922
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    Augments? Starlord doesn't need augments!

    Let the two of them decide between themselves who gets to try the test.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)03:44 No.16892930
    Come to think of it, Char was a pro fencer too, wasn't he? Ah well, these are better choices despite the Newtype shenanigans.


    Slowly both Star-Lord and the massive form of the Astartes nod their heads. The Guardian gestures to the offering room. "You two stand out there and ready your blades. No other weapons. This is a test of swordsmanship. You others stand here, outside of danger."

    Star-Lord winces as he realizes he doesn't have a sword at the moment.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:46 No.16892944
    I love that panel.
    Thanks to it I only hear Star-Lord in the voice one of my player's uses for certain characters that fit right in with that style.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:46 No.16892945
    Can an Auror transfigure one of Star-Lord's guns into a sword?
    Or... anything we have into a sword?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:48 No.16892955
    Scan the ruin of Gondolin for Anguirel, it was lost in that battle.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:49 No.16892958
    "Transporter chief, is that interference field still up? Can you beam down a sword for Star-Lord?"

    "Any particular sword type you want, Star-Lord? I think we still have a few lightsabers from the Executor, if you want to give them a go."
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:50 No.16892967
    We'll get to that later, we're concentrating on Ringil right now.

    Just remind us afterwards and we'll try to get to it.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:52 No.16892978
    Teleport a sword to the entrance then Accio sword.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:53 No.16892982
    Technically, pretty much any sword recovered from there should be nice, magic swords were all they made. Some are just better than others.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:54 No.16892984
    >We had a heroic master fencer and we didn't give him a lightsaber

    It's not just the elf who is facepalming now.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:55 No.16892996
    Do we even own any swords? I mean we have lightsabers, which are ridiculously hard to wield without very specific training, and there are chainswords which are probably too heavy and unwieldy for Star-Lord.
    Unless Char brought his fancy sword with him, we might be out of luck.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)03:57 No.16893000
    Your crew grabs the first sword it can find in the armory, one of the drow scimitars taken from the Shadowrun world, and beam it down where it is quickly spelled away to Star-Lord's hands.

    "Are you ready?" the Guardian asks.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:58 No.16893002
    The article on lightsabers mentions how they're very difficult to use because of their gyroscopic effect, the odd balance due to being a plasma sword, and the extreme danger of the blade.
    Also, as a European-style champion fencer, the regular lightsaber would not fit into his hand well, resulting in difficulty in wielding in his preferred style.

    If you want to wield a lightsaber with the modern European-style fencing, you'll need to modify the hilt to resemble Count Dooku's.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:58 No.16893003
    But lightsabers require special training due to having a weightless blade that can cut through more or less anything.
    Can you understand why you would have to adjust your balance and such a bit with those variables in mind?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:59 No.16893008
    Oh yeah, we did loot some swords didn't we?
    Well if our challengers are ready, so are we.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)03:59 No.16893010
    Next time we're at Sector HQ, we're getting those pesky Federation safety protocols removed so we can use the matter replicators to construct swords.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:01 No.16893024
    We're ready if the two champions are ready.

    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)04:04 No.16893039
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    "Then let it begin," the ghost says as he puts a hand to the open door. A chilling wind begins to blow through the halls as ghostly elves step forward from the statues, elegant elvish blades in hand. Without emotion or words, they begin to advance on the Knight Inductor and Star-Lord.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:05 No.16893043
    ...Yeah that's a rough start right there.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:07 No.16893053
    While I suppose having the training to properly wield a sword is crucial, for some reason I figured there would be a test of character or something.
    Does that come later?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:07 No.16893055
    Well, this is off to an inauspicious start.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:08 No.16893059
    Our characters...
    ... they both die, don't they.
    Welp, gogo Nannybags.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:10 No.16893075
    Hasn't the /tg/ dice filled us with enough misery in the last thread? We are making a terrible impression on all these spectral elves.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:10 No.16893080
    Well, we could've given the sword to Bumbles the clumsy Auror and he would've rolled a 99 or something.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)04:12 No.16893093
    rolled 95, 55 = 150

    There are twelve foes in all, one for each of the Houses of Gondolin. They split into two groups, six for each would-be hero.

    The ghostly elves lunge at the Knight Inductor and Star-Lord. The Knight Inductor turns to take the blows on his armor, trusting in the ceramite to protect him, but the phantom blades pass through him and into him. He winces as he feels strength being sapped away, but his hardened will and stamina allows him to remain standing.

    "Skill is being tested here. With the blade. Not armor," the Guardian whispers. "If you must defend, use your sword to do it."

    Star-Lord does only moderately better, dodging aside a few slashes with skilled footwork, only to take a lunge in the arm. He grunts, but makes no other sign of pain.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:13 No.16893098
    Star-Lord still has a dose of Red too. Though I'd prefer it not come up.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:13 No.16893100
    The Knight Inductor just used a power attack to Shut. Down. Everything. didn't he?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:14 No.16893110
    So the Knight is the first and Star-Lord the second?
    Looks like the Knight Inductor took the Guardian's lesson to heart, and Star-Lord's doing a bit better.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:16 No.16893116
    After this we need to recruit a dedicated melee combatant.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:16 No.16893117
    Yet another sign that the /tg/ dice are sentient and seek to 'improve' stories in what ways they see fit.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)04:17 No.16893122
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    With a sudden roar of primal ferocity, the Knight Inductor swings his chainsword in a devastating offensive, batting aside one phantom blade, which turns material on contact with the KI's own sword, and slicing off his head. Already turning as he moves forward, he catches another ghost elf with a slash as he moves, intercepting the dead swordsman before he move to strike. Another dead enemy lunges at him, but with a show of agility, the Space Marine dances aside.

    "Impressive... Most impressive. I suppose you did not need your armor after all," the Guardian muses.

    Star-Lord does better as well, his footwork increasing in speed as he manages to dodge or parry aside each of the ghostly elves' attempts to attack him. However, he does not manage to take the offensive yet.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:19 No.16893130
    ...This guy totally just earned name privileges.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:19 No.16893132
    You know what this means don't you?
    That Knight Inductor is going to need a name after this.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:19 No.16893133
    Welp, the Knight Inductor wins.
    Everyone go home.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:21 No.16893139
    >2 90's in a row
    Yeah! Show the Elfdar how it's done!
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:21 No.16893145

    Theres our Champion right there.

    Now to garb him in the best gear we can get.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)04:23 No.16893152
    rolled 72, 45 = 117

    Star-Lord continues to dance in and out of battle, landing a few minor hits, but no killing blows as he barely manages to avoid getting hit time and time again.

    The Knight-Inductor continues to battle through the elven band, executing a devastating overhead slash that sends the ghostly warrior of the Hammer of Wrath back to his rest. The remaining three ghosts attempt to flank the Space Marine, but he responds to this by lunging forward and impaling the front-most ghost on his chainsword, pulling the mechanical blade out and throwing the body at the others with a smooth motion that disrupts the last two ghosts.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:23 No.16893153
    Welp, I feel we should have gotten Nasuverse's Sir Gawain.
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    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:23 No.16893157
    We're well into autosage, so it's time to wrap up here.
    We can sack Barad-dur tomorrow.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:24 No.16893159
    The best part is that in his initial roll, the Knight didn't even try to dodge, but just was confident in his armor, so it's pretty much like
    >Oh, you mean I have to -try-? All right then.
    >> Tolkienfag 11/09/11(Wed)04:25 No.16893165
    I feel a disturbance in the verse.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:26 No.16893176
    Question for anyone in the know:

    How would we rate Kisuke (Oboro Muramasa) as a swordsman compared to what we have in our roster?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:28 No.16893188
    Hard to tell. After a certain point, you stop becoming a 'swordsman' and start being a 'destruction-focused mage who uses a sword as a focus'. Does Kisuke cross that line?
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)04:30 No.16893206
    The Knight Inductor manages to claim the unlives of his last two foes in a completely practical fashion. In the split-second they are disoriented by the body throw, he charges them, slashing into one and cleaving into the next with a single powerful attack.

    Star-Lord takes a chance and executes a long lunge at one of his opponents. He manages to impale the undead warrior and he fades to nothing, but in doing so, he is unable to recover quickly enough to avoid being open. The ghostly elves slide a phantom blade into his side and he roars in pain. Fury in his eyes, he turns and slashes into another ghost that fades only to leave himself open again.

    Another blow comes, and this time, Star-Lord hits the ground, gasping. The four elves around him raise their weapons for a killing blow...

    ...and the Knight Inductor is there, leaping towards the battle and standing over Star-Lord. With a fierce roar, he joins the battle, cutting into one of the elves as Star-Lord regains his feet and gets back into the fight. Between the two, the ghosts are no more.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:30 No.16893211
    Star-Lord continues holding his own.
    The Knights Inductor keeps tearing ass.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:31 No.16893214
    Argh, I can't stay up any longer.
    Good luck and go team go.

    Also, get that marine a name and a character sheet that shows his mad bonuses to swordplay. The guy is a natural.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:32 No.16893217
    Reasonable Marine
    Get equipped with
    Ringil Sword
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:33 No.16893231
    ...What's a way to let Star-Lord know that we still find his performance very impressive (indeed, he probably did better than most of our other troops would have, and we didn't even hire him for swordsmanship) without it seeming patronizing?

    Also, fuck yeah Knight Inductor.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:34 No.16893237
    The dice might be dictating it, but OP tells their beautifully.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:34 No.16893240
    He could be useful in our lineup? Fate/Zero Lancelot perhaps too?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:36 No.16893248
    I don't think we need to worry about getting anybody else to wield it, this guy just earned the crap out of it.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)04:37 No.16893252
    The Guardian steps forward.

    "You have passed the trial by combat. And you have hinted at your soul's worthiness as well, by aiding your companion. It would've been in your interest to let him fail, since that would secure yourself as the sole wielder of Ringil. But you came to his aid despite that, and shown a spark of virtue. Approach, hero, and take up Ringil. But know this. If ever you turn the blade to evil ends, it will cease to serve you just as you ceased to serve a cause greater than yourself."

    The ghost floats to the top of the cairn and looks down. Ringil seems to glitter with anticipation as it floats off the rock pile and into the air in front of the Space Marine.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:37 No.16893258
    Actually I find this little sidequest as a whole tremendously entertaining. OP's done a great job making Ringil something we have to struggle for, and portraying it as something -worth- struggling for.
    Like even with our complete failure to solve the final puzzle I was still enjoying myself, instead of getting frustrated.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:40 No.16893270
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    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:41 No.16893271
    Was this guy a living elf once, or is he the spirit of the sword? Like I know that Glamdring had a voice of its own... At least I'm pretty sure it did.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:41 No.16893272
    Good game, lads. See ya tomorrow!
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:42 No.16893276
    Alright! Now that we've gotten the incredibly important and valuable ancient sword, we can proceed to use it in a distraction by smacking the Black Gate with its pommel and try to sell Sauron some marine-scout cookies.

    Everyone will be so busy watching Sauron feast on delicious gingersnaps that they won't notice the miles-long vessel hovering behind the Eye.
    >> OP 11/09/11(Wed)04:43 No.16893284
    You could ask him.

    OK, I've got to call it here. Tomorrow your Space Marine claims not only Ringil, but a name as well. That's right, boys.

    The Lad's Got Talent.

    You've got your second Original hero.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:43 No.16893286
    I shall now call our swordsmarine, Lincanous Mastosordi. At least until someone slaps me and tells me a proper name.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:45 No.16893296
    G'night OP, sleep well, you've earned it!
    Gah, I really should have been sleeping hours ago.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)04:56 No.16893359
    I think he should have a name, but also a moniker which references this victory.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)12:18 No.16895927

    It is worth noting that this blade was named after one of the Lamps of the Valar, which first illuminated the world until being cast down by Melkor.

    Middle Earth does seem to have a thing for swords making a comeback, don't they?
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)12:37 No.16896024
    >Middle Earth does seem to have a thing for swords making a comeback, don't they?
    If the Storm's sensors can be tuned to elven magic and we can detect other elven swords that were lost with the Fall of Gondolin, a LOT more are going to be making a comeback.

    And actually, the more the better. The more magical, obviously First Age Noldor swords that suddenly show up on the northern frontier of Mordor, the more that Sauron is going to pay attention.
    >> Anonymous 11/09/11(Wed)13:15 No.16896338
    The problem is that I don't know how well even elvish steel can overcome hundreds (thousands?) of years of saltwater exposure.

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