Also, if anyone wants to do some sort of wiki page that might help with organizing thoughts.

I have some minor experience in game development, including professional. But I'd like it if I got a rundown on what this is, exactly?

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/16475925/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/16502259/
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/16511961/

To be level about this, we should only need 2-3 coders max that write the same language (C++ or python), any more would weigh the project down.

>>16513878
Oh shit, that? I remember that first thread.

I'll have to keep an eye out. I can't help with the actual hard coding. But I have experience with design and am comfortable around scripting to implement it.

So assuming the plan isn't to hard code everything, I'll keep an eye on your progress.

Perhaps a format similar to dorf fort would work best? I mean the ways events are scripted and such. No experience at all with coding, but ideas are always nice.

bumping for great justice! we need coders!

I would without a doubt keep interest going, if I ever find the damn game

>>16516311
It's not a real game yet, it's a meta-game like Pressure or Mornington Crescent.

Personally I see it as a combination of Dorf Fort lists and King of Dragon Pass decision-making.

Seriously, build it an they will come.

If some coders make the skeleton, so to speak, the rest will follow.

It doesn't need to start pretty, it can have all the charm of Dorf Fortress... but I for one know if I see a Chapter Masters game in a grave state of ASCII desolation, I will be compelled by the Emperor of Mankind himself to do some spriting.

>>16516323
So, does that mean it's a psuedo game?

I would do the coding if you paid me :P but fuck yall broke nigguhs

What is freenode?

>>16516345
At present, yes. Which is what these threads are about, getting /tg/'s collective hivemind together to make it a reality.

>>16516360
lmgtfy... wait no do it yourself

>>16516369
So...all those chapter master stories are fake?
I'm so confus

>>16516383
Yes.

It's a fun game that /tg/ and /v/ play. /v/ most notably for pressure that is currently been made by one guy as a text adventure i believe.

/tg/ tends to get shit done, so this has a much better chance of being playable at some point.

>>16516383
BUT I SWEAR I'LL MAKE IT REAL!

Hurry up, I've been waiting an hour for this game to exist already

You guys ruined the original idea: that we would perform intellectual masturbation imagining such an open-ended game.

Posting greentexts now would be weird. Thet game has to be made.

>Imperial Guard planet Anthos corrupted
>Chaos uprising, cultists everywhere
>corruption 100%
> =][= asks Chapter Kickasso (mine) to deal with it
>send one squad of terminators
>kill ministers and put up a puppet admin
>kill about half the population
>lol overkill, uprising settled, corruption 0%
> =][= loves me for the next 200 turns

80 turns later try to take my terminators back to their company
>Anthos corruption 30%
>Anthos corruption 60%
>Anthos corruption 100%
> =][= asks Chapter Kickasso (mine) to deal with it

Aarrrggghhhhhhggg!!!!!
>just send a squad of scouts and a priest

>>16516429

You can green-text till it's released, then you can blame the devs for not making the game live up to the stories.

>>16516383
Didn't you know? ALL of 40K is just an elaborate farce perpetrated by /tg/ for our amusement. Not even Matt Ward really exists.

OP of the first thread here

Jesus fuck

I never expected you guys to actually do this, it was a result of an IRC goof-off

Good luck

>>16516475
congrats your thread made it to Epic status on suptg

You have my sprites.

>>16519679
BTW, since we have not yet got a programmer, I would suggest we initially develop this as a solitaire paperwork game using (gasp) real dice and tables.

Or as a Realm of Chaos style super-complex campaign system.

>>16519702
I've logged into the channel. You guys mentioned needing a programmer? I'm listening.

I might be interested in providing some creative influence. I'm a writer by trade, which is a fancy way of saying I have an English degree and almost no employable skills.

Fairly good at what I do, though.

brb getting freenode

>>16519702
I have some programming skills, but I would have no idea where to start with making a game. If there was a preexisting system I would be able to make something. So unless that happens, I'll leave it to
>>16519726

So right now it's just concept discussion?

I made a cmd text gaem in C++ once can I help?

>>16519769
Join in. Same as any programming project really. We need to specify our requirements for the project, decide on our development model, get to drafting up the UML for everything, then start setting up goals for each successive project iteration.

Meaning first we should get some pencilandpaper generalities hammered out first. How the game starts (create a chapter/start off with one), potential forms of interaction, etc.

>>16519702
i'd like to participate,
im a good programmer (c++/java and other stuff) and know OpenGL (basics, with glut&glew) and SDL (quite good)
but i dont have that much freetime and my internet connection is not really stable

>>16519819
Alright. Just heads up, I'm still in college for it, and I'm a C-B student. But I'll help as much as I can.

Taken a trip so you know who I am

>>16519869
Captcha ate my trip

>>16519819

>Pencil and paper foundations

A lot of the chapter creation details and stats can be taken from Rites of Battle and the Deathwatch books. I think a lot of stuff there is relevant to this game, like Chapter Demeanors, Renown, and the various types of special abilities for Codex and noncodex chapters. I recommend starting from there.

I would think the important stats, not counting troops, would be
>Renown
>Thrones
>Supplies
Might have to break this down to different things, food, water, ect
>Resources
Use this stuff to build stuff
>Inquisition Suspicion
Mostly unknown unless you investigate, which may increase it if caught.
>Chapter Suspicion
How suspicious other chapters are of you. Always known since I'm sure they would be a bit more vocal with you for not helping them out.

>>16519998

>Inquisition Suspicion

As you say, it would be a hidden stat, but you should probably get a message saying "[Ordo] has increased surveillance of your chapter" or "you are being investigated for heresy by [Ordo]".

Also, I think rather than having a single "Inquisition" stat you need to have one for each Ordo. That way Ordo Xenos could be your bros all the while Malleus thinks you're the scum of the galaxy.

>>16519885
Absolutely. Since this is supposed to be a management sim, not a wargame, I would have each battle leader's Personal Demeanor partly dictate what orders they issue, which compared to the enemy character would bring up a result.
The result would first generate deaths and injuries for the chapter, then it would generate battle deeds for each soldier and add it to their history.

>>16520038
It's the Naval guy here almost have that list done. I just have to work on the Chaos and Imperial Navy ships that Space Marines may have.

>>16519998
Perhaps we could use the X-com model for tracking supplies.
-Rank and file supplies (promethium/frag grenades/bolts/etc) are kept aboard ships.stores. An "Automate Acquisition" feature allows you to streamline micromanagement so "If this battlebarge has <X Frag Grenades, put in order for Y grenades." Something so you don't get bogged down with bookkeeping to make sure your Rocket HWTs "Don't have enough rockets at base to rearm." (Simple conditional check post-mission really)

Relics can be individually tracked in their own relic screen.

takeallofmymoney.jpg

>>16519679
AND MY MIND!
Also i can make it a dice game.

>>16520129
We should defiantly avoid this game becoming Spread Sheets: 40k Addition. So making managing things easier should be done. Though you have to avoid being too limited. I know I'd want to see if a squad of marines could handle going on a mission with only grenades.

But I want to play a Inquisitor, or SOB convent.

>>16520168
Incidentally...what mission scale are we working with for the most part?
-Xcom/Jagged Alliance scale?
-Ogre Battle Scale/Age of Wonders (either one) scale? (I'd probably be most down for this one, with some artillery/orbital assets allowing for damage outside of tactical combat).
-Panzer general/East Front scale?

I'd love to do artwork/spriting for this game. Do you still need that?

>>16520206

Well, I think a realistic design objective to aim for is to have battles be resolved with narrative results screens. Basically, you prepare the force before the battle, issue general tactics (like "defensive/offensive", "codex compliant/divergent", "chapter special") and then the commanding officer in charge issues orders. The opposing forces are compared, results are issued and presented to the player. Basically, look at how battles are handled in King of Dragon Pass, only we're aiming for more depth and strategic choice, more variables affecting the battle.

>>16519998
You really need
>Chapter Rep
Unless that comes under suspicion, how many planets you've saved, how many casualties you've caused or had inflicted on you.

1st or 2nd founding chapters get bonuses to Rep and Ultras of course start with it maxed out to fuck

>>16520202
>getfucked.jpg

This thread seems awesome.

>do want that game

What language are you coding in?

>>16520347
Not sure. For what it's worth I'm just taking notes now.

I'm currently drafting up what I would need to program for Java, including:
-main class
-several object container classes
-an objectserializer and deserializer for saving/loading gamedata or parsing the many many special rules and tables that we're going to be including...
-Organization (each organization has a mix of planets/ships, directed graphs representing their relationships with other organizations, etc)
-SpaceEntity (extended to planet/ship/space station/space hulk...it stands to reason that they may end up changing types among themselves after all)
-Assorted Arraylists for inventory, units on-field (unless we do the narrative route), etc.

This is before we take interface or AI (priority queue option 0=Waaaagh!) into account of course.

>>16520422
Java would eat up too many resources so it not that good for something like this.

What about a Minor Alien random generator?
So it can make aliens that don't exist and we have more enemies.

>>16520332
Just a quick question, when do your threads usually run?
Sorry for short derailment...

>>16520227
I've made all the shoulder pad sprites you see on these threads, but I'm lazy and probably won't have so much time, so more pixel people would be good.

>>16520538

Hey Pauldron Guy, do you think you could mock up a stylized little battlebarge icon?

So, I suppose you'll make a mod to existing game? Or build your own engine?

>>16520510

There's a random xenos generator in one of the Deathwatch books we could use for that. Would be nice to provide cannon fodder xenos for your chapter to exterminate.

>>16520538
Oh, cool. I primarily do sprites like this. Think that would work for something like this game?

Personally, I think this might move quickest if it was entirely text-based.

>>16520605
I haven't got any vehicles yet, but they will be done sometime.

>>16520667
This.
Make it like DF.

< The Chaptermaster felt his twin hearts racing, Somthing was amiss, he considered retiring to the apothicarium but bearly made it three paces before he stumbled. In his many centuries fighting for the emperor he had felt the tortured agonies of a thousand battle wounds, but nothing like this.....This... soul wrenching, yearning.... What witchcraft was this? His mind railed against half a millenia of psychoindoctrination....In that moment He realised what had happend....

"CRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!"
The wisened vetrean screamed at the top of his lungs

"How dare you use your tactical genius to deploy into my hearts?!?!"

I'd say this should interface wise be closer to KoDP. With a bunch of menues and contextual menues for events. Also art, real detailed images and such rather than just sprites.

Speaking of which, i'd love to help out with that stuff.

>>16520684
Not even that.
You really don't even need a GUI. Just commands to pull up tables and distribute resources/troops and an event generator running in the background.

Going REAL old school.

>>16520738
that sounds like king of dragon pass

>>16520735
I thought the idea was that it's KODP with only a little dwarf fortress.

>>16520735
>>16520748

Seconded for KoDP style. I think it would be great for this game.

>>16520771

Perhaps with some kind of tactical map for dishing out turn to turn orders in planetary campaigns,

>>16520748
>>16520756

>Goes to look up what KoDP is

Pretty much, but with even less visuals. If there's one thing I've learned about /tg/, the more visuals you try to use, the more things get bogged down.

>>16520799

Thing is, with a KoDP style interface the visual dont have to hold up the development at all. The coders and content makers can ad shit as much as they want, while artists add imagery in updates.

>>16519783
Guess not

I give you guys a weeks before you've given up.

>>16520810
True, but one only has to look at the BroQuest threads to know what a shitstorm visuals can cause.
Gotta agree with >>16520738
Starting it off with nothing but text sounds like a good way to go.

i was thinking bout this, combat should be done a la X-Com (the turn based one....wow never thought id have to say that) where most of them are squad based, then slowly move up to chapter wide.

the galaxy map would probably work best with a hex based system that works depending on what "level" of the map you are on

>>16520422
>interface
Base it on King of Dragon Pass. Seriously.

>>16520810

This man speaks the truth.

We could have the coders be pounding out better event scripts and whatnot and have the artists separately be handling what picture the event window opens up with.

Not to mention the KoDP format would simplify the game to bare bones while keeping the management gameplay we're looking for.

>>16520839

BroQuest shitstorms were about character designs. Everyone had their favorite pet catgirl design or whatever. There's going to be no such shit here because you can't redesign Space Marines and the 40k setting.

>>16520810
>>16520799
Ideally, we can have a system that allows for visuals if they get made, but doesn't require them. The best way to do this would be to make a thing that uses visuals, but then just have that bit bypassed or use simple shit that everyone could do. Space starts out as blackness with white dots, but people could make stars glowy and add nebulas and shit later. Portraits start out with blank images, and if art gets made we get portraits to replace them. Or, you know, we cut images out from the vast body of existing 40k work. It's not like SPpace Marine faces are hard to come by. Interface elements start out as just a blank mat with buttons and text, but if somebody makes interface stuff then that gets replaced by fancy graphical images that fill the same function but look fancy.

Besides some equivalent to the village view in KoDP (which isn't really needed for anything) I think that's all the graphics we would have any use for.

From the other thread, since this one is "official", I guess:

I hope this game will have as much to do with managing the chapter worlds as it does with combat.

>Off fighting a Crusade
Hive/recruiting world's Governer dies!
>Oh no
DISPUTED SUCCESSION!
>OH NO
Warning: Planet suffering from Civil War! (production/recuriting down 50%)
>FUCK
>cant leave crusade without taking a big rep hit
>Civil war ends
New Governor Installed!
Governor X pushes for harsh military reforms!
>Oh no
PDF efficiency increases by 5%!
>Wentbetterthanexpected.png

>>16521000

Don't see why this couldn't be incorporated as well.

I see three major categories in terms of management; World Management, Chapter Management (which would include combat deployment, diplomacy with other Space Marine factions, different Ordos, etc.), and the last would be actual combat (which could be X-Com style in later iterations).

First order of business should definitely be the firs t two though.

>>16521000
Well it's about managing your chapter. The world is a big part of that, just as combat is, but how involved you are with the actual people change - at a minimum, you fly around on your ship all the time and only take resources and recruits from your world, while at a maximum you govern directly. Only real difference this would make from a code perspective is the sorts of events available to you, and maybe some modifiers to things.

>>16521041
>(which could be X-Com style in later iterations).
If we're talking about far-future ideals, it should emulate the tabletop in style. But for the foreseeable future, nothing of the sort should occur - just have combat roll some virtual dice and give you a description.

>>16521129

Agreed.

Someone said pixelated ships?

BUMP FOR JUSTICE

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