If anything, he'd be like a stronger good counterpart to Tharizdun.

Yahweh is supposed to be actually omnipotent. D&D Gods are not.

>it seems to generic
Yahweh MADE it generic, didn't he?

Law, Genocide and More Law.

i would say knowledge over civilization, Yahweh/Jehovah would probably base himself entirely in Celestia and probably all angels could claim service to him and some middle eastern gods (where the idea of angels comes from). Jesus is like Heracles a child of the diety but also at the same time is god in human form so some sort of Exarch/Avatar hybrid probably alot of paladin and priest spells, heal wounds, revive, miracle, banish, detect evil, purify food and water. I dont know about the holy spirit since that's essentially the will of Yahweh. this would also bring in new hierarchy of angels unlike the ones on Celestial, you would have to have the Metatron, the 4 great angels (Micheal, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael) and other important angels, sandalaphon,Raguel Kaliel etc as well as new angel types based on the hierarchy

Angel
Archangels
Principalities
Powers
Virtues
Dominions
Thrones
Ophanium
Cherubium
Seraphim

and maybe include the human hybrid Nephelim
and maybe the 4 horsemen and other stuff.

also irony DnD already acknowleged Lucifer and Satan, Lucifer being a ruler of the 9 hells who disappeared for some reason whether Asmodeus usurped him or he just left, know one knows.

>>16460241
Holy cow, someone saved my picture!

>>16460678
Of course I did, it was awesome.

OK, right now in my monster builder Jesus is a Level 25 Elite Controller (Leader). 400HP, defenses 39 37 37 38, Speed 6 with waterwalk, Immunities to disease, fear, and poison as well as Resist 15 necrotic and radiant. What should his attacks be? Will he rise from the dead after 3 days if you manage to kill him?

Yahweh's domains are Slaughter, Tyranny, and Hatred.

>>16460605
...umm, so why are you taking specific types of angles (like the seraphim) and mixing it with groupings of types of angels (like dominions)?

I would put it more at Lawful Neutral, than Lawful Good. Certainly, Christ would be Neutral Good, but Yahweh is certainly Lawful Neutral.

Given that the worshipers tended to be that, with a huge sticking towards obedience towards the rules, than the meaning of the rules, you get the civilization of Jerusalem.

Plus, following the creation of Yahweh, who comes from the god of war Elshadai, he is very into blood sacrifices and killing of anyone who is not of the chosen people.

Christ is Neutral Good, and might even be at odds with his 'Father'. Gaebriel would be Lawful Good, while Sa-Tan would be, also, extremely Lawful Neutral.

The Bible has quite a few awesome concepts for running games, really.

Here also have a completely random Aboleth.

>>16460241

His domain shouldn't be hope. There's nothing in the Christian faith about hope. Hope results from the Forgiveness folio, but that's incidental to humanity, not the actual dogma itself. I'd say his portfoio would be Law, Humanity and Forgiveness (it's part of the faith, if not, frequently, the people that practiced it historically).

>>16460734

Canaanite spotted

Oh, cool to see people using my Yahweh design. I had ideas for him.

He'd be a god of desert dwarves (Jews). I'd use all of the angels as described in the Bible as his servents, as well as Djinni. Basically make the fantasy religion of Yahweh as a mixture of Jedaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Greater Power, Lawful Neutral.
Various angels would over see things in heaven and his earthly domains, Djinn would be his liaison between him and mortals.

Appearance wise I went with a big fire and eye thing due to many angels being made of fire and having many eyes as well as Djinn being made of smokeless fire.

>>16461049

The only issue is how does a omnipotent, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent god mix in with other real gods that are less than that powerful?

Cause in Biblical sense, the pagan gods either didn't exist or were just fallen angels using their far smaller abilities to capture worshipers to them.

>>16461049

Power wise, I say stick with fire aspects, but also go by what Moses, Joseph, Jesus and such could do. Lots of nature abilities such as plagues and raining fire (both in Egypt and Sadam and Gammorah). His blessings were things like enhanced strength.

Think of a high level wizard or druid with a perchant for fire spells, animal conjuration, and buffing. Considering how in the old days he had many warriors under him, he could also be a warrior god, going into battle himself. Imagine a big, flaming snake man wielding a sword and a spear.

Jesus/Yeshua on the other hand would just be a straight, non combat, cleric. Food conjuration, healing and such. If his father is a warrior, Yeshua is more the complative and peaceful kind. Lawful Neutral versus Neutral Good.

>>16461049
I'd say if you were going to make him omnipresent, omnipotent, and the like make it over something limited. If he's made of fire and covered in eyes; make it so he can view through flames and the fires burning inside those who worship him. He can give guidance and all that jazz regular deity style; and it allows enough room for non-believers to avoid him or disbelieve him while also letting him have an eye on his enemies.

or something.

>>16461101

Simple, dont make him omnipotent. No god in such a setting should be. Yahweh isn't the only god considered omnipotent. Hell plenty of other gods were capable of easily destroying the world. Aztec gods could eat the world, then you had the Persian god and devil, the devil dragon was capable of destroying the whole universe but only didn't because their god was stronger.

We will just say that the gods aren't nearly as powerful as their worshippers think. The chiefs of pantheons will be on par with each other, Zeus, Odin, Yahweh, Ra, Great Spirit, Grandfather Raven and such.

>>16460678
>>16461117
And ta-dah! Jesus!

>>16461163

Sounds cool, or hot considering the fire affinity.

I like the idea that this Semitic-like god can see through any fire, which means considering fire is one of the basis of human civilization he's always watching his worshipers and enemies. Also with the Sun that means he can have a birds-eye view of the world at least during the morning, and maybe less clear at night (The moon acting as God's telescope)

>>16461189

Sweet. I'd love to see Dwarf Jesus and Dwarf Moses. It helps that all these guys had beards.

>>16461196

The whole fire and eye thing has Yahweh try to make a claim for the sun. He has a rivalry with Ra because of this which has caused the Semetic nations and the Egyptian nations much strife.

I don't know about him being able to see through flames, but I like the idea of a fire god for dwarves. Having them pray to a burning forge

>>16461189

Oh man that's amazing, it really shows a sense of peace and even in His compassionate eyes you still know that there is a power worth respecting and fearing inside.

>>16461198
Well, here's Dwarf Moses! And yes, I took many elements from Heston's Moses since he is befitting of a dwarf. Yes, the commandments are burned onto the slabs that are his fucking arms!

Yahweh can't be modeled in a pantheonistic world, He's as far beyond any god as they are beyond us.
That's kinda the point of Genesis stating He created everything, as before then most gods were incarnate in the world eg Gaia is the earth, Ra is the sun. Genesis is essentially Abrahamic scholars saying "that mountain is your god? well my God made that mountain, and all the other mountains too."

>>16460971
>Forgiveness
That's just Christ telling you that.

Yahweh fits very well into a DnD pantheon. Judaism was not actually monotheistic until 700 BC, and Genesis etc were written even later. The progression was from polytheism to henotheism to monotheism.

Is Yahweh, Allah and Jehovah the same deity?

Or are they different from each other?

>>16461252
>>16461049
>>16460241
>using this art in an AdEva Campaign.
>final angel
>adam & lilith defeated
>introduce God, the Progenitor
"MY GARDEN REQUIRES TENDING"

>>16464417

This. Basically, in the beginning it was "Thou shalt not have another god BEFORE me", meaning so long as you praise YHWH the most, you're good. Then later, it was changed from "before" to "besides", and thereby to a monotheistic slant.

>>16460274
>Yahweh is supposed to be actually omnipotent. D&D Gods are not

Someones never heard of Ao or the ancient ones

>>16464509

Same god. Different names. Allah isn't even a name for god, it's just the arabic word that means god.

God has like a shit ton of names.

>>16464543
or the Garden of Eden, that guy's attention wanders more than an autistic toddler with ADHD

>>16460711
Here's Jesus. Comments?

>>16464951
Note to self. Do not fuck with the Jesus.

What about an adventuring party of the Bible's greatest hits? You'd have a barbarian (Samson), an invoker (Moses), a cleric (John the Baptist), and a ranger (a young David). Together, they fight crime.

>>16465439
I'd dig it.

>>16464951

Make him a dwarf and neutral good and he's perfect.

>>16465439

Isn't Moses more druidic?

Yahweh Domains: Civilization, Forgiveness, Life

FORGIVENESS DOMAIN

Power of Forgiveness [Domain]
Prerequisite: Any divine class, must worship a deity of the forgiveness domain
Benefit: You gain a +2 feat bonus to Diplomacy checks.
Once per round, when you use a power associated with this feat and miss, you gain a +1 bonus to attack rolls with at-will powers until the end of your next turn.
Powers: ardent strike (paladin DP), astral seal (cleric DP), avenging light (invoker PH2), radiant vengeance (avenger PH2)

Blessing of Forgiveness [Divinity]
Prerequisite: Channel Divinity class feature, must worship a deity of the forgiveness domain
Benefit: You gain the Channel Divinity power Blessing of Forgiveness.

Channel Divinity: Blessing of Forgiveness, Feat Power
You forgive an ally for their recklessness and shield an innocent victim from harm.
Encounter * Divine
Immediate Interrupt, Close burst 10
Trigger: You or an ally are hit by an ally's attack
Target: One target of the triggering attack
Effect: Until the end of the target's next turn, the target gains resist 5 to all damage. After the attack is resolved, the target can make a saving throw against one effect caused by the triggering attack that a save can end.
Level 11: Resist 10.
Level 21: Resist 15.

rolled 15 = 15

>>16466174
>YHWH
>Forgiveness
laughingsodomites.jpg

rolled 8 = 8

I mean, it's the Christianity God the one who's a total bro and chillax(which got him some critiques from early protestantism). But YHWH is pretty hardcore.

>>16466289
Not Old Testament God, but New Testament, chilled-out-after-having-a-kid God. See Jesus statblock, above.

>>16466174

No. Forgiveness falls under Yeshua. Going by scripture, Yahweh would be more Lawful Neutral god of Order, Civilization, and Agriculture.

It would be best to have a pantheon of three, Yahweh, Yeshuah and the Holy Spirit. Lucifer could also be part of the pantheon as the evil guy in the whole mess.

Should Yahweh really have civilization?

Christianity has had nearly nothing to do with the development of civilization. Give Civilization to either a Roman/Greek or Egyptian god

OP, maybe relevant just to get you in the mood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrUTsJ-8s1k

Good Yahweh-type sort of music I think.

>>16466343

You mean aside from the fact that it was Christianity that held much of Post Roman Europe together thanks to Charlamaigne and such?

And we have every Pantheon existing in this world not just Judeo-Christian. There will be gods who will have the same portfolios and none of them will be Cosmic Powers. Just because the jew dwarves say that Yahweh is Omnipotent or the egyptians say that Ra IS the sun, does not mean its true.

>>16466324
Yeah, but I'd like to see it condensed down. God as the primary deity, Jesus and the Holy Spirit as His exarchs, three domains, that sort of thing to match it with the existing pantheon. There's no Law domain in 4e, so I chose Civilization because it seems the closest.

rolled 15 = 15

>>16466343
Well, he had really elaborate customs. One I remember in particular is about women on their rag:
>Shall not be in public areas for she's unclean.
>Will not touch cattle for she'd sicken them.
>Shall not handle milk o make cheese for she shall our it.
But yes, Law, 'Ethnic Cleansing' and More Law.(To be fair, the classical world was brutal)

>>16466397

It would be better to have the three as gods with Yahweh as chief and have Archangel and high djinn Exarch. Micheal, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael could be Exarchs.

>>16466397

the holy spirit is easily the worst part about catholic christianities cosmology.

a "natural" duality is much better than a forced trinity.

FUCKING CUT IT.

rolled 8 = 8

>>16466471
The more the merrier!
>bitches don't know about my dual duality.

Yahweh Domains: Civilization, Justice, Vengeance
Jesus Domains: Forgiveness, Love, Protection
Holy Spirit Domains: Arcana, Creation, Life

>>16466515

Oh I like that the Holy Spirit has Arcana. Mages such as king solomon could be worshippers of the Holy Spirit.

Yahweh gets the Paladins and Druids (maybe some battle clerics too), Yeshua gets peaceful clerics and monks, Holy Spirit gets wizards and sorcerers.

Can I get this archived?

This thread is pretty interesting. I think I might use this God to replace the Silver Flame in Eberron. I don't like the Silver flame. Actually, I don't like any of the gods in eberron.

Though I do like the lolipope, so I'm conflicted.

>>16466672
>don't like the gods in Eberron
IMO, one of the best depictions of an Evil pantheon in any D&D setting. Confluence of certain gods is also interesting. The good gods are... less interesting, but passable.

>>16466515
Law over Justice, I think. Might take Travel over Creation for the Holy Spirit too (and give Creation to YHWH as a bonus domain).

>>16466680
Yeah, I don't mind the evil gods, but the silver flame and most of the Sovereign Host are just... Boring.

>>16466715
They are a bit, yeah. I think it is because they are intended to be much more conceptual and removed than your 'standard' D&D god or goddess. The Dark Six have the same thing going on, but in their case it tends to make them a bit more realistically worshippable so it works out better.

There are some neat faiths, but I think I would agree that if there's one place Eberron falls particularly flat and stereotypical, it's in religion. Even the Cult of the Dragon Below are sort of generic mad cultists (although the Blood of Vol, The Becoming God, some of the Druidic cults are cool).

>>16466515
Technically, Vengeance isn't Justice. I'd say:
JHVH: Civilization, Law, Creation
Joshua: Healing, Love, Protection
Holy Spirit: Arcana, Fate, Knowledge

rolled 1 = 1

>>16466780
Not in the greek 'Dicaeosyne' sense, parter in crime, but yes in Judaism's 'an eye for an eye'.

>>16466761
I like the Path of Light, for example, that's an interesting concept. The Silver Flame, though? Even the whole "shadow in the flame" is enough to make it interesting.

YHWH, Lawful Neutral Deity, Pathfinder style!
Domains: Law, Community, Fire, Glory, Protection
Subdomains: Inevitable, Family, Home, Heroism, Honor, Purity

rolled 11 = 11

>>16466813
Wait, Hesiod's cosmogony uses it in that sense. more accurate would be to say that the spirit of Greek justice comes into play with Solon's laws as perceived by Guthrie in Paideia.

Check :

>>16460881

Holy crap, is that Aboleth wearing boxing gloves!?

>>16466813
'Eye for an eye' was justice, not retribution. You could pay the value of an eye instead. And Law is definitely part of YHVH's domains.

Every god has his children. And Yahweh is no different. But Yahweh's child is the universe, the great wheel itself. Born of his will he set forth the first men to look upon his creation and marvel and to love creation as he did. But these men were factitious and split the great wheel into countless shards, stealing away the glory of creation and making gods of themselves and their own children to worship them. Yahweh, consumed by his grief over the suffering his children had brought to his world, thought to wipe clean this existence that had strayed so far from the path he had set. But Yahweh is a merciful god and could not bring himself to strike down the children he so loved even as they turned against each other and committed atrocities upon their own sons. So he left this realm and from his anguish and his agonies were born the far realms: a nightmare reflection of Yahweh's creations. Few remember his name. Even the gods who he first set upon the universe have forgotten the face of their father. But in some remote corners of the material plane there are those that venerate him still. The father of all. The bringer of light to the darkness. The spark that ignited the world. God of gods and king of kings.

YHWH is rather Lovecraftian, if you think about it.
His motifs are EYES, WINGS,AND FIRE EVERYWHERE.

>>16466906
Which is AWESOME.

Although, when you get down to it, Lovecraft was pretty Old Testament.

rolled 11 = 11

>>16466872
The whole point of 'revenge as justice' is a symbolical retribution of the goods damaged either by a)paying or b)Talion's law. What the other guy was getting at(I think) was this whole new hippish conception of Justice as "Punish the Crime, pity the offender" or the Catholicism-inclined exegesis of "turn the other cheek", in other words some sort of punitive penalty that is impersonal, detached, cold and 'fair'. Which s kinda the point of Positive Law I think.

>>16466846
Where does Obedience fit in?
Biblically, doing what the fuck you're told is good, and disobeying Him is evil. Hell, questioning is evil. Angels don't even have free will. They do as he tells them emotionlessly, then leave.

>>16466906
>>16466929

Does that make Yahweh originally from the far realm? Is Jericho somewhere out beyond the planes?

>>16466906
There's a reason Evangelion is the way it is.

>>16466948
Probably with Law.

>>16466951
Jericho's in Israel.

>>16466941
Not necessarily, but I'm not going to get into that. Positivism is very silly, but there's more than one school of thought on Positive Law.

>>16466929
It's more that YHWH is portrayed as unknowable, inscrutable, and prone to do terrible things to you for reasons you will never know. He favors absolutely horrific punishments (often body horror) and his servants are... well...

>>16466948
Inevitable sub domain

>Associated Domain: Law.

>Replacement Power: The following granted power replaces the touch of law power of the Law domain. Inevitables are a race of lawful neutral outsiders.

>Command (Su): As a standard action, you can give a creature an emotionless yet undeniable order, as per the spell command. A Will save negates this effect. You cannot target a creature more than once per day with this ability. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 3 + your Wisdom modifier.

>>16467067
>>16466846

Samefag here.

I'm really liking the idea of a LN Yahweh, God of Laws and Civilization. On a second view, I don't think Glory is such a good domain for him.

Yahweh is the God of Laws and Community and amongst the oldest Gods in existence. He claims himself to be the God of creation, stating that before there was anything else besides the protean mass of chaos, there was him and his laws. Laws gave in to order which gave in to structure. Without structure, there is no proper existence. This is why he calls himself the creator of all.

And that's the Holy Spirit, to complement Jesus. There's no way I'm going to tackle the Big Man himself; at least, not today.

>>16467465

He doesn't necessarily need stats, Asmodeus, Pelor and Bane haven't been statted either.

Only the dragon deities and Lolth due to them being iconic fightan monsters and Torog due to his permanent physical presence in the world have been statted for 4e.

>>16467465
>The Holy Spirit
>Lawful Good
It's a force. It's LN, and only Lawful because that's what it's made of.

>>16467530
>He doesn't necessarily need stats

I see you've missed the point of this exercise.

>>16467537

>lawful neutral
>4e

Oh boy.

>>16467573
Unaligned, whatever.
Point is, Good isn't the way to describe something that turns you into a pillar of salt for looking behind you.

>>16466906
>>16466929

I actually had thought about that. That perhaps Yahweh was originally from the Far Realm, and when the universe was born (possibly spontaneous), he ventured into it and fell in love with the order and sanity of it all. He chose dwarves as his chosen peolple due to their structure and tendency to be lawful.

Perhaps the Holy Spirit could be some sort of semi sentient well of magic. Like a far realm entity without much of a mind. Yahweh's mentally handicapped little brother who followed him into the universe.

More Fluff I suppose:

The afterlife for Yahweh is Heaven, a realm of ruined cities that has been taken over by nature. Flocks of animals roam free, rivers of milk, honey, water and wines. It is a wild land of peace and nature all surrounding a gold and silver city where the three gods and the angelic host resides.

There is also Hell, formerly Sheol. Sheol was once the place for all the dead who worshiped Yahweh and the Holy Spirit, before the birth of Yeshua. After Lucifer and Iblis rebelled, the fallen angels and jinn were cast into Sheol to be forever tormented, and the souls of the good were brought up to be in heaven.

Also I'm thinking that since the Djinn were considered to be behind acts of people using magic, that perhaps they were created by the Holy Spirit, as the angels were created by Yahweh.

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