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    298 KB Five Nations Quest 10 OP 09/28/11(Wed)05:47 No.16451641  
    We discuss the impending system changes. Also taking a small break from the story for the moment.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)05:55 No.16451683
    I suppose in a way I share some of anon's concerns over following a few sentences about ourselves...but considering we were the ones who made those sentences, I on't see much of a problem. Getting a bonus for being ourselves is fine by me.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)05:57 No.16451696
    I would say he's right if I, the GM, were to pick your traits and force you to follow them. If you pick them and then get rewarded for acting the character you chose....that just seems like an essentially free bonus for roleplaying, which you should be doing the whole time.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:00 No.16451715
    Fixed determination for everyone sucks.
    We had low determintation Gen, and he was fucking effective at what he did, but he didnt get so many second chances. And that was cool.
    And we have a determinator Shimaru, who covers his weak sides with his dedication, and able to greatly develop any successes with it. And thats cool too.
    We want a ways to restore determination mid fight (as we have a blood hunger for it anyway)? Okay. Make up a perk, or introduce a nindo skill, or even better TACTICS DID IT.
    Change whole system for it? Why?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:02 No.16451731
    It's fixed, but you can improve it.


    I'm personally not for having flaws in a game but low determination sounds like an OK flaw.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:02 No.16451734
    Your words mirror the exact sentiment I had when making the system. You had skilled people, Sasuke, Neji, and you had under-powered Determined people who really shined brightest when they got Lucky, like Naruto and Lee. It was a nice duality between methods.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:03 No.16451739

    Is correct. You can STILL have that sentiment. When everyone gains Skill Mastery points and maybe Perks (maybe) to increase Determination, we are again setting up that paradigm.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:07 No.16451764

    The problem comes when the determined people become as strong as the non-determined.

    Unless the skillful players can gain determination, of course. And then everyone ends up the same anyway.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:12 No.16451795
    It's an interesting question that leads me to question the nature of hard-caps. But that's involving redoing the WHOLE system to satisfy a simple thematic thing. I honestly don't think we should be reaching 10 so easily, and I think we have been only because of our ludicrous progress due to no skill cost scaling.

    Ok, let's try this out.

    Determination stays as it is. Everything stays the same about it. It ain't broke, don't mess with it.

    Chakra sensing/chakra detection goes under chakra control, rather than genjutsu.

    Criticals restore Determination equal to the number of successes you have over your opponent. If you have fewer successes, but still critical, you get one.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:13 No.16451801
    Skills now increase in the cost of Skill Points required to increase their rank. At character creation there is no such limitation. A character's stats are assigned at a 1:1 ratio. After this point, however, when the Kage gives Skill Points the costs are as follows. To put a skill at rank 1 or 2 it costs 1 point per rank. To put a skill at rank 3 or 4 it costs 2 per rank. Lastly it takes 3 Skill Points to make a skill Rank 5.

    At Rank 5 in a skill you gain a Skill Mastery Bonus. Add a Perk to your list that describes your mastery of the skill and gain a +1 bonus to either the stat which the skill is tested against or to Determination.

    When you have the Skill Mastery perk for a skill and receive a 10 on a roll you may spend 1 Determination to reduce that 10 to a success instead of a failure.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:14 No.16451808
    Skilled people should have an easier way to restore Det, while having a lesser pool.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:16 No.16451821
    So how to scale skill costs? Raising a skill costs "current level of skill"? Tables? What?
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:20 No.16451848

    Posted here. It will be much harder to reach the levels of power we currently occupy.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:23 No.16451863
    They crit more often because of higher TN
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:25 No.16451871

    Great news, the system already does that itself. It's eerie, actually.

    Should we include a Nindou system, or is that just needlessly complicating things?

    Lastly, we talked about wanting feints. How about letting us use Determination proactively to provoke a feint attempt and deny someone a skill bonus to their defense at the cost of our Determination, sort of our, "rising fighting spirit" moment.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:31 No.16451893
    Or should we just get back to the story at hand?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:32 No.16451901
    Personally I think feints should just be fluff for attacks. How can making my attack trickier to avoid (which increasing the skill/stat already does) make my opponent Worse at dodging/blocking?
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:34 No.16451913
    Outstanding. Then all I need to change is the Skill scaling and I think we're good. I'm glad to hear that, cause I'm pretty happy with the system, to be honest.

    Ok, let's try to get the story rolling again. What should we do next? Do we try to push for more missions, do we strike out to find Kisame and bring him to justice, do we plan against A and B, do we take the fight to the Cloud Village? Or do we pursue interpersonal relationships?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:35 No.16451916

    I kinda liked the Nindou system, if only for the idea of fighting people with conflicting viewpoints, and both of us going above and beyond our usual to follow our own paths.

    However, I think a bit more thought needs to go into it.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:37 No.16451924
    I like the idea too. I was hesitant about it then, and I"m still not sure about how to present it now.

    How does everyone feel about the Unique Abilities? Honestly, I kinda want more, haha. Oh! Right, we need to redo our Genin-level one.

    Maybe that's a good way to increase shinobi's power beyond Jonin, more UA's.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:38 No.16451927

    We're still on our break, so I ote for interpersonal...and maybe some sidequests that come from them? Kisame's OUR sidequest, or our 'thing', but I'm guessing some of the other swordsmen have their own goals and people to kill and such too. Maybe we can help out.

    The most obvious one would be Yuki and her bloodline, but the others might also have things they want to do/get help with.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:40 No.16451937
    How about we decide whose side-quest to pursue, I like that idea, building up some relationships, forming some bonds. At the moment we're pretty light on bonds. Only Kisame, which may as well be a Broken Bond, Gen, and Mangetsu. Yuki will be up there shortly with any more time spent with her.

    We have 4 comrades other than Mangetsu and Yuki, who should we try and learn about? Who needs development?

    Of course, there's also us pursuing a Summoning Contract, which could be fun.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:42 No.16451950
    I think it should be up to the Mizukage to plan for the new Raikage's reprisal, it is the logical effect of her plan to kill the last. it is our job to train, I think. Or we could try to impress upon her the danger of this organization that is headhunting the most powerful ninja from multiple countries and try and investigate, although I think investigation is outside our primary skill set. Either way I think these are other people's jobs, and we are to be called into action when there is something to swing our sword at, although that is kind of restraining our roleplay venues.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:42 No.16451951

    Same, closer ties with our team is best, plus we'll need to keep to keep an eye on them to make sure the fame doesn't get to their heads, I can think of a couple of them who'd be most vulnerable to this, Tetsuo and that guy going on about legends and the like.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:44 No.16451958

    I say lets bond with...Gendo!

    We can have a fun time learning about crocodiles, and maybe set him up to start learning how to control nature chakra through help with his animal buddies.

    Sage-mode Gendo sounds neato (so long as he keeps a tiny gator on his shoulder)
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:46 No.16451973
    Sage stuff might be frog specific, overloading on nature chakra specifically turns you into a frog.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:46 No.16451975

    If we're going to summon anything, it'll be sharks. And seeing as Kisame's got that contract, welp...I'm okay with waiting on that.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:48 No.16451988

    Wasn't that the toad oil's doing?

    Also, it being a frog only thing would be...ungood. I mean, it's nature chakra, not frog chakra.

    Maybe you turn into different animals based on the animals/medium you learn/channel it through/what's around you at the time?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:48 No.16451991
    Newfag Question: WTF is this shit?
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:49 No.16451996
    Tetsuo and Gendo might go a little overboard with it. Fame and prestige is what led Tetsuo down his dark path, when he became wealthy off being a Jonin he started wasting it and fell into a spiral.

    Gendo has a flair for the dramatic.

    Yep. Sage Mode is indeed frog specific, I'm still not sure if I want to include that, because a tremendous plot hole opens up with that era of the show.

    Anyway, Crocodiles will be cool to meet and I planned for this for a while now. Gendo needs some characterization and I planned his Grand Summon for our fight against the Kinkaku Force. He's a cool dude.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:49 No.16451998
    I could imagine Jiraiya and Naruto change into frogs because of the frog contract. Giving frogs a stranglehold on nature chakra seems lame.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:50 No.16452007
    Well, it's a redoing of a hated piece of source material. I have links so you can read for the start if you are actually interested.

    Frog specific according to the show***
    Seems only the toads know about natural chakra.
    At the moment I have no plans to include natural chakra into the Five Nations setting.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:51 No.16452015
    Sure, why the hell not. Can't sleep anyway.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:52 No.16452020

    How vexing!

    The other summon animals better know their own shit or I'm going to be pissed.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:53 No.16452025
    I know that feel. Alright, here you go. I won't lie, it's a bit of reading.


    That's thread one.

    Threads 2-current can be found here.


    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:56 No.16452037
    Oh my.

    I'mma need another drink.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:57 No.16452047

    So, we should start with Gendo, get his trust and respect so we can keep him grounded and next time we kick enough ass to earn a break build a bond with Tetsuo.

    In the meantime we should also see about encouraging bonds between the other Swordsmen, it'd suck if everything fell apart if we get captured or something else bad happens.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)06:59 No.16452054

    Agreed- though some seem to get along well already.

    For a one, I'd like to see Saito be chums with...well, anyone would do. Waraji, even.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)06:59 No.16452056

    They will, I assure you.

    Anyway, it's almost sleeping time for this OP, so, while I'm gone, I leave you all these challenges/things to discuss.

    The implimentation of the Nindou system, how do we make this work. People's shinobi way is a very important part of several of their character's backgrounds, how can we put this in the game.

    Kisame. He's so important to us he needs a section to himself. We're the only one he's bonded with in the village, period.

    Yuki. How do we treat this. As a drunken thing, or as a shot at restoring the bloodline and more.

    Tetsuo, and his inevitable downward slope.
    Mangetsu and his illness.

    A and B, how can we form adequate defenses against these powerhouses?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:00 No.16452061
    I don't imagine it being so bad if you wanted to do it. It would just be a "skill" (or unique or whatever it's classified as) that increases your chakra pool by 33% If you stay still and succeed a chakra control test or something. The increased strength and speed could just be from spending that chakra on taijutsu techniques.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)07:03 No.16452068
    Yeah, that would work.

    I just personally don't see a reason that it must exist. Seems too needlessly strong. I dunno, we'll play it by ear, but for now, I'm just not sure.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:08 No.16452098

    Hmmmmm...I don't think our way of the ninja should mean we get stat bonuses except in 'goes up to 11' circumstances where they legitimately come into play. Like, being professional with the Raikage and people, or just generally being honest, shouldn't give us points.

    As it's something we believe in, it should both be something we can use if we run on empty, and if it's something that's important in the conflict at the moment.

    So if we've no determination left, but if we don't stop this guy/gal we're up against the village will be doomed, then we get a 50/50 version of it, where we have a 50% chance of being able to use it. Maybe only the once, but it's there.

    Yeah that was a crap think through toward the end, but I think the rest stands.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:12 No.16452122

    On more thought, I think it'd probably be better used as a chakra/damage bonus- I can see us staggering bloodied to our feet for one last go-around.

    "I'm a professional...and I see things through...TO THE END!!"

    Cue massive last ditch water dragon using everything we've got and then some.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:15 No.16452130
    Why don't we find out Yuki's feelings before making plans on what to do.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:15 No.16452132
    I've already made my suggestion in the other thread, I'll leave sorting it out to you guys.

    Dealing with Kisame should be around the climax of the adventure I think. We could try and bring him back into the fold with the rejuvenated swordsmen or we could have a final showdown with manly tears. Either one's good.

    >Yuki: I say sure pursue a relationship. Help her reestablish her clan. Maybe even go after her cousin to see if we can't bring him back. Which would lead us to Orochimaru and possibly a lead on Kisame.

    We should directly talk to him about it. Have weekly evaluations to ensure no one in the swords is slipping in their performance.

    This is trickier. He's a valuable asset to be sure. Hmm, maybe if we're going over the files on ninja we come across some info on Tsunade, that might be an interesting quest. Get the Mizukage's consent and try and convince Tsunade to help, maybe leading to a budding alliance?

    >A and B
    I admit, I got nothing aside from making sure to separate them as soon as possible if fighting them.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:16 No.16452134

    With Nindou we could have it where each Nindou is situation specific in it's effect.

    Naruto's 'I Never Go Back On My Word' could give him a certain number of extra successes where it directly affects a promise he's made, perhaps he can only have so many 'promises' active at a time?

    Whereas Kakashi's 'Those who abandon their teammates are worse than scum!' Nindou gives him bonuses when it come to protecting/interacting with his team, it could also give bonuses to team training.

    Regarding the Kisame situation part of me wants us to try and bring him back to the village, wheras another part thinks we need to hunt him down ourselves and kill him.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:19 No.16452147

    Kisame...we're going to have to meet up with him again. We're frenemies, we're probably going to butt heads a few times...but equally, we aren't going to convince him to come join us again and vice versa. He is the Sasuke to our Naruto. But nicer.

    I think we can treat the Yuki thing as more than just drunken petting, but I think 'restarting the bloodline' with her is going a bit too fast, a bit too soon. If something comes from it then it does.

    Tetsuo and Mangetsu- we sidequest! There's probably more to Tetsuo's drinking and wealth spending than meets the eye. It'll be about a dame or a family member, no doubt. For Mangetsu, if there's a cure somewhere...we'll find it with him. Hunt down Tsunade, perhaps.

    For A and B, we cry and hope they forget about us.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:25 No.16452171
    About Mangetsu, the Hydrification technique, while not classified as one in canon, seems a lot like a kekkei genkai of the Hozuki clan, in that it may be a change in his basic biology, like the Kaguya. If so it would take specific research to even figure out what is actually wrong, let alone cure it.

    I've said my piece on the Cloud problem. And adding to Kisame, I think we may be able to just talk to him, assuming he still believes in our honesty. Just telling him we are not on a mission to kill him and that we want to talk should be enough. We could perhaps get him to tell us what's up with Akatsuki, explain why he thinks it was best to leave and what he hopes to achieve.

    About Yuki, I'm the the guy who came up with that cheesy romantic scenario, so she might be my budding waifu, but really I don't see Shimaru being romantically driven. I think there should be a deep connection there though. If she was to be more forward though, what would Shimaru do? I think he could reciprocate, but would put duty before their relationship; no settling down to make baby Yamada-Kaguyas. I doubt Shimura could ever settle down, unless there was peace among the Five Nations. If Yuki wanted to I could imagine him being opposed to losing her as a swordsman for the time it would take to even birth the child, let alone raise it, and it's not like either of us have close family that we could entrust one to. We would have to find someone we wanted as a guardian and Oh God Why am I taking this so far
    I'll think more about the Nindou, determination replenishment stuff and maybe post later.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:27 No.16452176

    You know, I like the sound of hunting down Tsunade for Mangetsu.

    Hopefully people won't mistake our search as us looking for another S-Class Nin's head to our collection.

    Although success could lead to good things, if we can encourage good relations between the Leaf and Mist that would also help keep Kumo at bay, nobody wants to start a fight that might bring the Fourth Hokage out.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)07:30 No.16452183
    I gotta bring up, Mist-Leaf relations have always been weak. It'd be really interesting to see how this plays out if indeed we do go down this path.

    Just offering, Aya would make a fine person to raise the child with her cushy office job and steady government salary. Just thought you'd be interested.

    I am reading all your responses, just too tired to respond to 'em all. OP to sleep.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:32 No.16452196
    I like the idea of trying to forge friendly relations with the Leaf and finding Tsunade. I was serious about asking Guy when we could train together. And I do think the only rest for Shimaru will come with peace among the Nations. Maybe he doesn't realize it yet, but I think that has to be his ultimate goal.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:37 No.16452211
    Yeah I hope we go with the Tsunade thing, cuz it could be interesting.

    I'm not sure but just to be certain, did op just suggest harem route?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:39 No.16452224

    No, he suggested the daycare route.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:43 No.16452247

    The funny thing is it'd make a funny bit of sense, considering our own nature is Fire/Water.

    Regarding potential children Aya and Gen would make fantastic Godparents, they're both well off and are pretty much guaranteed to stay in the village so the kid would have good rolemodels when our work stops us being there as well as a perfect backup in case the worst should happen.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:49 No.16452271
    Can Aya's Chakra leech abilities be reversed at all? I'm just pondering the possibilities of supercharging our Yamada-Kaguya spawn while it's at daycare, ethics be damned.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:52 No.16452281
    Mei is the new Mizukage! Shimura is the new head of the Swords! It is a new age! Peace between the Leaf and the Mist!

    Also being the one guy the keeps talking about LOVE & PEACE /Vash I will admit that perhaps Shimura would be satisfied with a life of conflict, and such aspirations would never appeal to him. It does seem less epic (in the traditional sense) though.

    And oh my god I can't believe I forgot Gen. I can totally see it with him. When Aya was first suggested I was like "that seems weird to me, her being this femme fatale assassin, but I guess anyone we meet falls into a similar category." Now though, I can see it with time, they don't have the blood lust, they probably will get parental eventually...
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)07:59 No.16452323

    I can just see us, outside his house at 2 AM all kitted out and ready for war, Gen opens the door ready to tear us a new one for waking him up so stupidly early when we interrupt with.

    "Here, look after my spawn."

    And leave him dumbstruck with an armful of baby.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)08:23 No.16452414
    Lets not turn this into WaifuQuest just yet guys.

    >Captcha: jobs Procrea

    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)08:38 No.16452485
    Nah, if you are "determinated" master swordsman, the "skilled" enemy would be a grandmaster swordsman (or a grandgrandmaster). Any swordsmanship related skills you throw at him he repels with higher dice pool and auto successes, recovering his own determitation at that (as he uses his prefered style of combat). So, to beat him you have to be creative and target his weak sides, developing successes with your Det pool.
    You cant just kill him with sword swinging burning through your Det pool (but he can!).
    Or thats how it should be. Like, in vacuum.
    I do see that is still posible with revised system, you support, but it works in existing sysytem already.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)08:55 No.16452569
    Even I don't consider Yuki, or romance, a priority, or even a goal really. For me it is Tsunade, Kisame/Akatsuki, and Leaf Relations, probably in that order. Although I would expect we would have to improve Leaf relations before Tsunade would deign to help us at all, or just earn her respect.

    (I've taken a trip for this thread, taking inspiration from my last post, just to keep things straight, like opinion voting. I am Mr. Love & Peace, I like Mist Clones, trying to give inspiring speeches ["It is time to challenge ourselves again" and "that was proof I am a shinobi" were me], and coming up with troll burns. I have misgivings about FATE style 'aspects' [though some recent talk about them has proved heartening], don't roll dice and often talk in a very hypothetical manner. In fact my manner of speech is probably annoying and will earn this trip some hate.)
    >> Millions Knives !UiU906/IPQ 09/28/11(Wed)09:21 No.16452677

    If it helps, I already hate you.

    Drop the god-damn trip, Vash.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)09:26 No.16452697
    Another Swordstyle/Genin UA idea:
    "Your swordfighting defense is nearly perfect, every deflected strike fuels you with confidence."
    At every succeseful counteratack, using your sword, you recover 1 Det. (Cannot be used by character with Det more than 4?)
    Basic-going to the book-Perks:
    High Pain Tolerance.
    Allows to keep fighting in injured state without penalties. Suffer injury effects after the fight.
    Unhuman Pain Tolerance
    Allows to keep fighting in wounded state without standart penalties, any additional penalties are still aplied (like severed hand). Suffer wound effects after the fight.

    Second one could work for A`s perk.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)10:21 No.16453008
    Disregard swordstyle idea its pretty much already implemented.
    So, a sidequest idea: One of your swordsmen (Tetsuo) approaches you, and asks to be a supervisor of duel, with freshly initiated jounin, for Seven Swordsman Title. Your task is to make duel fair (shinobi level fair), and this proves to be harder than anticipated.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)10:23 No.16453014
    As I'm running Spirit of the Century, I love the idea of Nido - and I love it that we kind of agreed 'I am an Honest Man' is one of our big ones.

    As for side quests, we need to go after Yuki's clan first. Not to bed her, but because the longer we leave Kimimaro with Snake the longer it's going to take to deprogram him.

    Also, speaking of deprograming, did we actually get any Cloudnin kids during that attack on the training grounds?

    Well I think our next mission, if we can't find where Kimimaro is, is finding Tsunade should be our next goal.

    Also, I don't think we should neglect doing actual missions, though - unless they're very hard, we can gloss over them, but we should be out in the feild.

    Oh, and we should do some awkward, taciturn, time with the kids at the acadmy. Oh, we should see if they're still doing the 'Kill your team' thing.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)10:26 No.16453034
    I'm a /tg/ newfag and this shit looks interesting as hell (not even a naruto fan)

    Once I get done on reading the stuff posted can I join in on this?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)10:27 No.16453044

    Sure, nothin' stoppin' ya.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)10:30 No.16453060
    With new Mizukage academy graduation test has changed. And one of the roles OP offered was a Sensei role. Might be fun thing to do later.
    Well of course you can!
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)10:31 No.16453070

    I'm not so crazy about the whole programming/deprogramming people. Mainly because that isn't our job. I figure we can leave that kind of stuff to Dragonquest threads.

    And I believe the 'Kill your team' thing kinda ended after Mei took charge.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)10:37 No.16453109
    Of course it's not our job, but I think that we have some nice ANBU people who could pull it off.

    Anyway, we really should define our next few goals. And I do like the idea of the blood thirsty quiet murder-machine with a Chainsword is the one to bring peace to the Ninja Villages, but that's not an actual goal.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)10:42 No.16453131
    Oh god, us as Sensei. I can see us wondering why they haven't kill each other yet and trying to give everyone huge swords.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)10:58 No.16453223
    > Reading previous thread
    > B is rhyming
    Oh, OP, you are a God among men.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)11:11 No.16453311

    You know, although we can't due to being professional, I really hope someone like Gendo or Tetsuo gets in a rap battle with him.

    I don't think it fair we always get a monopoly on cool things to say.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)11:15 No.16453349
    We need to get into one, with our kinda monotone, taciturn, voice. It will be comepletely out of character for us, and thus hilarious.

    As a side note, I'm almost sad that there aren't any tailed beasts because that means not Naruto to deal with.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)11:19 No.16453381

    I imagine they were removed for balance issues- like they'd get a second chakra pool or something.

    Still, their loss does slightly hurt RP elements from forming- you can't, for instance, go on a big continent-wide hunt for a tailed beast to add to each of your respective armies.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)11:27 No.16453445
    Actually, it was more because 'Shit got silly, yo' from what I understand.

    Actually, a though: We should decide what kind of summons we want - most Ninja have summons, right?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)11:33 No.16453487

    Sharks. Sharks sharks sharks.

    Sadly, or perhaps crucially, Kisame is the only shark summoner alive right now, and he has the summoning contract.

    Which is just another tie that binds...
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)11:35 No.16453502
    > Classy shark with a monocle like spot on his eye.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)11:39 No.16453530
    Not that it should be rushed, but I think we should eventually get closer to Yuki.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)11:50 No.16453602

    Explain how this is in our professional interests.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)12:02 No.16453673
    Like >>16452098
    said, I think it should only come into play when you're backed into a corner, running on empty, or the target of the Belief is in peril.
    Maybe allow the usage of Determination to get extra dice on 1:1 basis, but only on a specific roll, and up to the Kage's approval.

    Climax of the series, I think. Most likely to end in duel with MANLY TEARS.

    Romance isn't one of Shima's strong points or one of his priorities. So don't actively pursue romance at this time. But tracking Kimimaro should still be a sidequest to consider; knowing a Kaguya's capabilities, we should be concerned about where he is and making sure that he doesn't fall into the hands of the Mist's enemies.

    He's an important member of the Swordsmen, and we should open up the sidequest to either find a treatment, or Tsunade, in order to get him better.

    Do his sidequest. Keep him from falling down into an alcohol-fueled descending spiral.

    >A & B
    We start to learn Wind jutsu, and come up with the Mist version of a Rasengan to tear through their Lightning Armor.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)12:16 No.16453778
    Regarding Yuki I think it would be hilarious if we worked hard to rebuild her clan and help her get stronger and find ourselves somehow...in relations with her. And trying to puzzle together how this happened.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)12:53 No.16454020
    Fuck Dat, Be a little original.

    Summon killer whales. Just a dangerous, twice as smart, and they can double as water delivery tools. and if you dont want to use the water, you can always just DROP them on people.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)12:59 No.16454066
    Pull a Junji Ito, summon ZOMBIE SHARKS.

    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)13:04 No.16454096


    >> m 09/28/11(Wed)13:50 No.16454424
    >Romance isn't one of Shima's strong points or one of his priorities. So don't actively pursue romance at this time.
    I agree. Circumstances might be sufficiently different later, but for now, let's not. IMO Yuki should still be pretty high priority. Just not romantically.

    As for summons, I stick by my statement in a previous thread that we should go for either big cats or raptors.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:03 No.16454523
    People aren't professional all the time. Look at how the friendship with Gen went. It was initially only a professional one.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:06 No.16454542
    How about Squid for our summons?

    You might laugh about small ink spewy cuttlefish like low summons but think about how huge the boss summons we've seen in the series are relative to the animal they're based on.

    Now think about how fuck huge a Colossal Squid is and how the boss summon version of that might look.

    Also, isn't the idea of summons that they cover a weakness the ninja has? With Tsunade the Slugs cover her weakness with Ninjutsu, for Jiraiya the Toads cover Genjutsu and Taijutsu I believe and the Snake for Orochimaru do...something...
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:08 No.16454557

    Cover for his NO ARMS weakness.

    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:10 No.16454580
    If we go Big Cats, they could cover for our weakness in genjutsu.
    Also, we could get into a summoning battle with Kakashi and his dog summons.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)14:13 No.16454602
    Not most, but a notable few. A lot of higher level shinobi have summons. They're a huge branch of versatility you can get without having to really train yourself that hard.

    Your idea for nindo has been thought about. I postulate that every shinobi gets a nindo. They function like UA's in that they're unique and are done with your Kage, you can only activate them at the Wounded status, and once you do so you cannot spend any more determination for the rest of the encounter.

    For the record, apparently, and this is just apparently, a shinobi can't use jutsu that they don't have an elemental affinity for. Also, Yuki has wind, throwing that out there for you.

    Sharks would be fun, but so would big cats, birds of prey.

    Ok, we look like we have a ton of different interesting ideas for sidequests to embark on, everyone who's still here, how about throwing up a vote for one?
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)14:14 No.16454615
    Orochimaru's snake bond makes him immortal.
    They also give him a big finishing hit which is something he sorely lacks. Orochimaru has shown precious few techniques or tactics which can kill you instantly, Manda, however, is very good at that.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:18 No.16454653
    Vote for Tetsuo Sidequest first.
    I want to take care of him first, so that we don't have to worry about him when we're on other sidequests that take us away from the Village.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:20 No.16454667
    I say we either help Mangetsu or Tetsuo as they seem the most time critical, to keep Mangetsu's health getting worse and keep Tetsuo from slipping back into hedonism.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:21 No.16454682

    To keep Mangetsu' health *from* getting worse.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)14:34 No.16454794
    Alright, well let's take care of Mangetsu, after all, we don't want to have him die off. If Tetsuo slips we can always recover him again, and this time be more firm.

    Ok, so we need to give the medics in question a second person who has the Hydrofication Form, and that's going to be Suigetsu, his little brother. The boy's about....I dunno, five? And he lives with Mangetsu.

    How do you wanna go about this? Find Tsunade first? Arrange for the Mizukage to try and find her, try to ask the Leaf to help you find her?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:36 No.16454802
    We have a bond with Mangetsu so my vote goes for his quest.
    Lets check an Intelligence to find most capable Medic of Five Nation.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:38 No.16454827
    Ask the Mizukage's permission to ask the Leaf about the whereabouts of Tsunade, or leads in tracking her down.

    This is a security issue, because it would let Konoha know that one of the Swordsmen is terminally ill, and they might learn the Hydrofication Form kekkei genkai.
    But if we don't, then we'll lose it anyway, and a member of the Seven.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)14:39 No.16454835
    After spending a few hours sorting through the intelligence files you come across the three best shinobi in the Five Nations.

    One is your own Yuki who is praised not only for her far above average medical skills, but for her combat skill as well.

    Next is Tsunade of the Hidden Leaf. The foremost medic in the world. Far and away the best.

    The last one is an old staple of the medical world who uses her medical skills for crafting lethal poisons as well as healing, Chiyo of the Sand.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:40 No.16454839
    Maybe we should get Stephen King as a summoning contract for all the swordsmen, just to see the look on people's faces.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)14:41 No.16454841
    She seems hesitant in the slightest but smiles and resolves that she trusts you implicitly. You are given the go ahead to contact Konoha on diplomatic terms as she writes you a scroll with the details of your question in mind to present to Konoha's higher ups.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:42 No.16454853
    Let's go intelligence lookin' first, then meet up with Mangetsu to tell him what we're doing and to broquest it up.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:42 No.16454855
    Approach Mangetsu.
    "Im worried about your condition, it reduces your effectivenes as a shinobi, and that can put whole group in danger. Would you rather find a cure, or a successor?"
    It maybe harsh, but as a leader you have to be distant from your subordinates. We are group of highly efficient killers, after all.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:43 No.16454862
    So, assume that we did this before asking the Mizukage's permission?
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)14:46 No.16454881
    Mangetsu pauses and with great efforts mostly suppresses a cough. "I....want to find a cure." He admits slowly, "I just am worried about wasting your time. Yuki has told me that she cannot cure me, even with Suigetsu on hand to try and extrapolate the differences from us. She is a great medic, but she claims there are better."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:46 No.16454886
    Maybe not "reduces your effectiveness" but "calls your continued ability to remain on active duty for extended periods into question". It's more specific, and doesn't call his skills into question.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:47 No.16454896
    One quick decisive nod.
    "Then we find a cure."
    Brook no argument from Mangetsu on this.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:50 No.16454915
    "Then pack your stuff, we are moving out at sunrise."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)14:56 No.16454968
    Oh, and did we recognize Tsunade (Intelligence files have pictures) as the big chested woman, who we have a brief meeting with in casino?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:00 No.16455004
    Oh yeah, did we get anything from the fight with the Third Raikage?
    Any new reputation perks?
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)15:00 No.16455008
    Her intelligence file is dated twenty years in the past, so it would be unlikely to draw the conclusion that she still looks like that. However, you do note the resemblance.

    He accepts your decision and as he gets ready to leave he asks whether or not you want Suigetsu to come with you. His little brother who is still in the Academy, curiously watches from the kitchen.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)15:00 No.16455013
    Reputation (Captain of the Seven Swords)
    Reputation (Killer of the Third Raikage)
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:03 No.16455047
    im new here and what is this
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:03 No.16455055
    "Do you wish him to?" Look serious at the kid and but try to soften our features. If we actually have mask like in picture, lower it.

    Also, we need to art up our All-Purpose-ANBU Mask to match our armor and don our cape.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:04 No.16455071
    Oh, regarding our kill, did anyone notice that we have BONEHAND or not?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:04 No.16455073
    Hmm....on the one hand, having another person with the Hydrofication Form on hand to compare against, would really help Tsunade when we meet her and get her to agree to help.
    On the other, we'd be taking Suigetsu out of the Academy, and he might fall behind in his studies.
    I mean, there's no guarantee that Tsunade will help. Not to mention, the journey might be too hard for a kid.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:06 No.16455089
    "We shouldnt involve future generation into our personal affairs. In the worst case he would be a great successor. Wouldnt you, little shark?"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:09 No.16455121
    Eh, sharks are Kisame's thing.
    We should really get our own material.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:10 No.16455131
    Hah, lets take a picture with Tsunade. Updating files is always useful.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:11 No.16455146
    Guy is known to have shark like teeth, actually all Swordsmen are known to have sharky smile.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:14 No.16455168
    Did we do that yet?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:15 No.16455176
    > Taking up a Sensei role
    > Training a Suigetsu and Kimimaro to be the Seven Hidden Mist Swordsmen
    Fuck yeah!
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)15:16 No.16455189


    That's thread one.

    Threads 2-current can be found here.



    That's the current reading.

    Nope, as prior discussed we cleverly wore our gauntlet and only cut the tips of the glove to allow our fingers to pierce the skin, it just looks like bone-tipped gauntlets.

    Suitgetsu shows you his fanged smile, like you have, and walks up, "Mangetsu. Can I please come with you?" He asks and his brother gives a soft smile, "Can we go the safe route, Shimaru-san?" He asks as he holds his little brother up in his arms.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:17 No.16455202
    Yeah, we all have sharp teeth. But that doesn't mean we all have a shark motif.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)15:18 No.16455213
    I would hope we could get Tsunade to come to Suigetsu, but this may be asking too much. Bringing him along would make it an escort mission, but we could take over his training for the interim...

    It's kind of a Mist/Land of Water thing, what with so many people having the sharp fangs.

    Oh man, we have to now. Come on.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:20 No.16455230
    "We are going to another Hidden Village, there wouldnt be any safe routes. And if his talents are similar to yours he might end up a high priority target. Ask Yuki to take care of him for now, Im pretty sure she wouldnt mind."
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)15:21 No.16455237
    Both brothers smile and Suitgetsu throws up his hands and cheers, "Yay!! I get to go on a mission and be a big shinobi!" He says and leaps out of his brother's grip and gets on his Academy outfit, a smaller version of the Chunin outfit, except without the headband as he looks up at you both, "Ready!" Mangetsu laughs and gets a very heavy pack, "Shimaru, we can take the merchant's road, that's a very safe way to travel, not very anonymous, but very safe."

    Yeah, that's a weird quirk Mist men seem to posses, they all have shark-teeth.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:24 No.16455254
    Little whale? Little Squid? Little Raptor?

    Anyway, smile - showing our own pointed teeth, and nod. "We may." And go check in with Aya about anything we might need to know about the Slug Sannin and people she knows.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:26 No.16455266
    "Alright. I'll take care of the paperwork at the Academy."

    Put the paperwork through, put it down as an extended training trip.
    Take our ANBU cloak and mask with us, but keep them stuffed away in our pack; don't want to advertise that we have ANBU equipment, and if we ever have to fight, we can cloak Suigetsu with it.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:28 No.16455277
    Wait..Can anyone tell me what all this is about? It's sparked my interest, but can't seem to figure out what all the talk is.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:29 No.16455285
    I assumed that we already looked Tsunade's information when we were looking at the top 3 medical-nin in the 5 Nations.

    Also, when we go for the Summon sidequest, I'm voting Big Cat. I want to have a Summons cage match with Kakashi.
    >> m 09/28/11(Wed)15:30 No.16455296
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    >Summon killer whales. Just a dangerous, twice as smart, and they can double as water delivery tools. and if you dont want to use the water, you can always just DROP them on people.
    And the whale thinks 'not again!'

    >Now think about how fuck huge a Colossal Squid is and how the boss summon version of that might look.
    Pic related. I'm going to be trying to find some suitable images for various stuff, just because all text and no pictures makes a sad imageboard.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:31 No.16455301
    We're playtesting a Naruto RPG. Alternate setting; Tailed Beasts have been removed from the world, so the Moon is just a big rock.
    We just went through a major mechanics revision after some testing showed the original rules to be too open to abuse.
    >> m 09/28/11(Wed)15:31 No.16455305
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    and a non-boss, but still large squid
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)15:32 No.16455314

    Tsunade's records are very bare, outside of her exemplary military record it just lists that she spends most of her personal time with Shizune or Jiraiya. Upon checking their files they are also claimed to have no residency, all three of them are wanderers. The only chance you have is going to the Leaf, and what's more, talking to the Hokage himself, Jiraiya's student, or the Third Hokage, Jiraiya's sensei.

    You set off on the ferry to the mainland and begin taking the merchant road. Carts, wagons, and people on foot walk through this highly traveled thoroughfare. This is the primary umbilical cord between Leaf and Mist, it allows service to the sea and is the reason that the Land of Water is so wealthy, despite its constant warring. As you walk Suigetsu is awe-stricken by the vastness of this land and how little water it has. Fortunately, Mangetsu has a water-bottle for both of them constantly to keep their water-forms healthy, though Mangetsu often coughs hard.

    It takes three days to arrive near the Hidden Leaf Village by foot and this path but when you do the sentries at the gate note your arrival and in short order, as you get close, you feel some powerful chakra barrier being passed as suddenly three ANBU agents appear around you, "Who are you, and what are you doing in our village? State your business." The Captain says as he points his kunai right at your neck.
    >> m 09/28/11(Wed)15:32 No.16455316
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    An eagle! Thanks, Monster Manual
    >> m 09/28/11(Wed)15:33 No.16455331
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    and one based on Tolkien
    >> m 09/28/11(Wed)15:34 No.16455342
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    My vote's for big cats, though.

    We could have bruisers like a giant Smilodon
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:35 No.16455350

    So long as we avoid Kumo we should be fine, if we do decide to do a bit of training along the way we should check with Mangetsu on how to train a child, I don't think he'd appreciate us replicating our training with Kisame.

    Our reputation should ward off most attackers, we may have to keep an eye out for bounty hunters, I say may because I'm not sure whether A will want to take our head himself.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)15:35 No.16455351
    So... about that possibility of Shimaru striving for peace; I know it's a big decision for the character and course of the thread and should be voted on, but talking to Tsunade would be a good time for it to come up, if we decided to go that route. Tsunade lost the two people she loved most due to war and resented the ninja world after that; I imagine it would be a hang up in our side quest, and talking to her we might be able to find this out and make peace our vowed goal. I expect it would take a philosophical talk and some soul searching for Shimura to come to this conclusion, but if it were to happen, Tsunade, Kisame/Akatsuki, or the loss of another loved one (I think we agreed that his parents died in the line of duty) would be the time.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:36 No.16455358

    So with the tailed beasts removed would that mean Naruto's parents would still be alive? Or is this after that time lapse with the 9 tails?

    If it's before the 9 tales, then wouldn't Naruto be reworked, same with Sasuke?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:36 No.16455362
    "We are official ambassadors of Hidden Mist. Sheath your weapons or suffer the consequences."
    (Damn, I didnt want to take a brat along.)
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:37 No.16455368
    Hold up our hands.
    "Shimaru Yamada. Kirigakure. Mangetsu Hozuki and Suigetsu Hozuki of same. We have a request of the Hokage, from the Mizukage."
    Show them the sealed letter-scroll.
    I'm assuming it's got some kind of seal indicating that it's got diplomatic immunity.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:38 No.16455376
    No! That's not diplomatic at all! Don't say this!
    >> m 09/28/11(Wed)15:38 No.16455377
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    or speedy things like Cheetahs. And probably all of the summons from that family can stalk at least a little bit, so they could fit themselves into our murder-mist.

    Also, comparing the speed of regular humans to ninja, and extrapolating from that, there's probably a similar speed difference between a regular cheetah and a nin-cheetah...

    The latter probably goes plaid when it sprints.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:39 No.16455383
    Fourth is alive, and Naruto is, like, 2 year old now.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:40 No.16455390

    "You haven't been told? We're representatives from the Hideen Mist, here to talk with the Forth. Or Third. Whichever is most convenient."

    No need to be hostile, we check out.
    >> m 09/28/11(Wed)15:41 No.16455395
    That's not very polite. We're professionals.

    Professionals have standards. Be -polite-. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

    >oh god we're sniper
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:41 No.16455396
    It fucking is. You wanted a Honest Man? That is your Honest Man.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:42 No.16455407
    We're an Honest Man, but we're also a Professional.
    And Professionals are polite.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:42 No.16455408
    I'm still voting sharks, so come the finale, and if we win the finale, we can take his scroll with teary eyes and carry on his proud sharkish traditions.

    I mean come on, Sakura, Sasuke and Naruto took on the animals from their respective sensei's, why not us?
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)15:43 No.16455420
    Both are true. The Fourth is still the current Hokage and Naruto will have to be reworked. Sasuke, however, is going to probably go down a same path. The Uchiha Clan uprising will probably still happen, but it won't be fueled by Madara, it will just be fueled by dissent.

    Yep, he's 3 actually, but small different. Kakashi is 20 and so is Guy and Asuma. They're roughly our age.
    >> m 09/28/11(Wed)15:43 No.16455421
    It's not dishonest to simply state our names and business.

    Since we actually have to deal with them now, and probably want them to like us (or at least be on decent diplomatic terms), let's avoid trolling them.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:44 No.16455426

    "I am Shimaru Yamada, Captain of the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist, this is Mangetsu of the Swordsmen of the Mist and Suigetsu of the Mist.
    We have come to ask for assistance in searching for Tsunade of the Sanin for my comrade suffers a terrible sickness we believe only Lady Tsunade's legendary skill can treat."
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)15:44 No.16455429
    We're trying to emulate Kisame in that we're polite as well as ruthless and lethal.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:45 No.16455435
    It is not about trolling, its about REPUTATION OF OUR VILLAGE. And our own.
    >> m 09/28/11(Wed)15:45 No.16455438
    Honestly, I think that's giving away too much information to the guards. Let's keep it simple.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)15:46 No.16455440
    Don't give quite that much information damnit. State titles and say who we want to meet, but thats it we don't want too many people knowing about the illness.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:46 No.16455442

    Our own reputation is that of a professional. And professionals don't threaten every hoo-hah that asks legitimate questions about their legitimate business.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)15:47 No.16455455

    The Captain takes your scroll and glances over it before nodding, "Ok, you can come with us. But you will have to subject yourself to a search, seizure, and restraints before being able to enter the village." He says and Mangetsu offers his pack and turns out his hands, Suigetsu doing the same. The ANBU agents frisk them quickly before blinding them and putting the same sensory deprivation seal on their foreheads as they face you and do the same. Before they seal you they assure you that your goods will be returned you before you leave.

    When your senses return next you're in a small sitting area where an old graying man is sitting opposite you. He wears a black pair of pants and a t-shirt with mesh under it. His insightful eyes gaze at the three of you as he smokes from his pipe and smiles, "I am Hiruzen Sarutobi." He says, as if he needed an introduction. In his youth, Sarutobi was, without question, the strongest shinobi of his era. Age has dulled that blade, but his wisdom is still peerless, "How can I be of assistance to you today?"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:48 No.16455457

    These're ANBU. By rights, they should probably know US on sight, at the very least.

    Otherwise this whole 'We killed the 3rd Raikage infront of 50 Konoha ANBU' business hasn't been working out properly.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:48 No.16455460
    Yeah, right, let more people know about it.
    And about politness: they are fucking masked cloaked guys, who might actually not be an ANBU at all!
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)15:49 No.16455473
    They do, I'm sure. But who's to say they aren't questioning you to see if you're not just a transformed stranger.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:52 No.16455494
    "Sarutobi-dono. An honor to meet you."
    Incline head in respect.
    "We are requesting Konohagakure's assistance in a matter."
    Slide across the scroll to him and let him read what the Mizukage wrote.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)15:53 No.16455501
    Okay if we ever hear of someone pretending to be us or any other sword I vote we hunt them down. We haven't spent so long working on our reputation to allow some punks to tarnish it.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)15:53 No.16455505
    He glances over the scroll briefly before pushing it back, "When I left office I was done with political talk. I've heard enough Kages speaking to fill three lifetimes." He says with a polite smile, "I am just a man, tell me, what do you seek?"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:54 No.16455511

    "You can assist us...BY DYING!!"

    I kid, I kid.

    "I take it you have already read the scroll? If so, our business is as stated- we wish to locate one of your Sannin, Tsunade, to help cure one of my swordsman of a terminal illness. In order to do this, we need to speak to someone who might know where she is- such as Jiraya. And to find out where he might be..."

    We leave it up in the air as a point of wisdom, then continue.

    "...Naturally, we are not expecting charity or altruism from you for assistance in this endeavor. If there are any terms or prices you wish to suggest in order for us to pay for your assistance, now would be the time to discuss them."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:55 No.16455519
    Yeah, and professionals do not like when someone is putting a knife to their throats. It, like, a time when a politness mask fades.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)15:56 No.16455532
    "Thank you for meeting with us, Hiruzen-dono. I come in the spirit of cooperation between Mist and Leaf, and the hope of forging better relations in time. Of course such feelings do not come spontaneously, and I know you are no fool; I come asking for help on a personal endeavor, with the leave of my Mizukage. I hope to find Tsunade-Hime." (use a different honorific for Tsunade if people usually use that in a sarcastic matter, but if it is applicable use it sincerely)
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:56 No.16455533
    "Tsunade of the Sannin. We require her medical knowledge and skills. Mangetsu Hozuki has an illness that not even Yuki Endo has been able to cure. We are out of options."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:56 No.16455541

    Oh shut up already, you're embarrassing the collective hive-mind of this game.

    Only you thinks that being a dickwad would get us anywhere.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)15:58 No.16455553
    "You are a very formal man." he says before leaning back, "No no, no pay will be needed. Jiraiya spends most of his time traveling the world, writing his books. The only thing that brings him back here is Minato, err, our Hokage." He says with a small chuckle, "That and the Hokage's son, Jiraiya loves playing proud granddad. In fact, he should be here in a few days. You're welcome to stay here as my guests, if that's to your liking."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)15:58 No.16455554

    Mash these three together.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:00 No.16455584

    "I'm usually more honest than formal...and I can honestly say your hospitality is appreciated in this matter. We welcome your invitation and accept it."
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)16:01 No.16455589
    Fuck Yes. God, I wanted to train with Guy earlier, but sadly I think this would be an inappropriate time, considering we are in the heart of a foreign ninja village, we should probably be on guard. Though I do want to at least talk to the Jounin we have met and try to make friends.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:02 No.16455599
    "I would not wish to impose, sir. An inn would be more than adequate."
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)16:04 No.16455610

    "Excellent. And while I know our nations aren't allied, we are at peace. Do not worry, you won't have ANBU guards, you won't be tailed, you won't be checked up on. You just need to stay inside the village. Anything that requires you to leave the village and return...you'd have to talk to Lord Hokage. My power only goes so far. However, please, I would like you to enjoy your stay." He says and rises, putting on a robe as he smiles, "And to celebrate, let me treat you to some of our world famous ramen!"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:08 No.16455650
    "Thank you, Sarutobi-dono."
    So, eat ramen, maybe talk with Guy, Azuma, Kakashi? Got nothing against any of them, especially Kakashi. So we fought each other; happens all the time in this mercenary world, and shouldn't be taken personally.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:08 No.16455657

    "Sadly, I'm allergic. Is there anything else?"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:10 No.16455676

    T'was a joke, btw. Lets go sullenly eat ramen.

    And maybe during our stay Suigetsu and Sasuke can become friends!
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:10 No.16455682
    ...that makes no sense. What the hell are we allergic to, that would be triggered by ramen? Gluten? We'd be long dead if that was the case.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)16:11 No.16455692
    As you eat he keeps pleasant conversation with you and keeps the conversation away from shinobi work. For this meal, at least in his eyes, you are both just men in this world. He talks about the simple small things and spends a lot of time making Suigetsu laugh as he talks to Mangetsu as well, who responds in kind about music, something the Third enjoys greatly.

    After an hour of time together he instructs you about where to find his house and gives you the keys departing with a wave, Suitgetsu following him, already tired from the trip.

    Mangetsu and yourself stroll the streets until you hear, "Come on Guy, knock it off!" With a flash of motion you see Kakashi jump into sight backwards, his hands up as Guy flies in after him, "DYNAMIC ENTRY!" Kakashi swears, or at least gets half way through it as he's knocked into a wall and sits there swooning, "Hahahah! That's one more for me, rival!" Guy says with a thumbs up motion before he spots you, "Oh!!!!!!! Yamada-san! It's great to see you again, are you feeling youthful today?" He asks with a handshake.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:11 No.16455693

    We don't want to do that, because when Sasuke goes all dark side with Orochimaru, Suigetsu is going to have to help murder his friend....
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:12 No.16455701

    "It would be a pleasure Sarutobi-dono."

    It might be worth asking whether a friendly spar would be allowed with Guy, during our time here it might be good for Suigetsu to play tourist with his brother if there's nothing we need to do with them.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:15 No.16455731

    "I'm fine."

    *Glance at Kakashi*

    "An argument?"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:16 No.16455747
    . . .Unless we kill Orochimaru while getting back Kimimaru. Bam, two birds with one stone that.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)16:17 No.16455756
    Guy laughs, "Hardly! Kakashi is my fiercest and most bitter rival!" He says clenching his fist, "Despite his fame and his talent I keep up with him and our record is currently 29:30 in favor of me." he says with a laugh again as he smiles, "So, what brings you to our village this time?"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:19 No.16455766
    Well, this looks like a good opportunity to see just how badly we'd normally be outmatched against a taijutsu specialist if we're not prepared.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:19 No.16455772
    Smile widely and nod. "I have never felt younger."

    Training! And Youthful excitment!
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)16:19 No.16455775
    I do think remaining cool while in Konohagakure is important. If he presses for a match we should let him know that we are an a mission and it would not do tire ourselves in friendly competition. If we can train more lightly though, working on that last martial arts point, and learning about the Eight Gates is a goal.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)16:20 No.16455777
    We are to meet with a member of your village here. We were told they would be arriving in a few days, as it stands that leaves us with some free time.

    May I perhaps take you up on your offer to spar sometime in the near future?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:21 No.16455785
    "I am in search of Tsunade-dono, and was told that Jiraiya-dono may have a clue as to her whereabouts, and would be arriving in a few days."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:22 No.16455800

    "A search operation, with the co-operation of the Third. He has been quite generous with his aid so far."

    *Nod over to Mangetsu*

    "This is Mangetsu. You would have seen him during the Raikage fight. He's a swordsman as well."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:23 No.16455809
    Since we have a few days of just waiting around, I think a sparring match or two in a dojo or some other training area would be fine. We really need that last bit of Martial Arts to help us get Taijutsu up to 10; we'll need it against Kisame, and if A or B every fights us.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)16:23 No.16455810

    "Hmm...." Guy muses, "A man's duty does come first, but since you are waiting..." he thinks, "Kakashi-san! Get up!" Kakashi struggles up to his feet and shakes his head, walking over with his hands in his pockets and a smile on his face, "Yo. Nice to see you again, Shimaru." he says and shakes your hand, "So, has Guy decided to trap you in one of his training sessions?" Guy's teeth almost seem to flash as he smiles. Mangetsu pipes up, "Umm...what do those training sessions involve?" he asks curiously as Guy laughs, "Haha! We're going to live a day in "My Rules" philosophy! Meet me at the ramen shop tomorrow morning at sunrise and we'll live a day experiencing the thrilling passion of our youth!"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:23 No.16455818

    "Helping a friend." Smile, thinly and laugh. "Then Kakashi must try to make it 30:30." But look a bit pensive. "It would be good to have a rival."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:25 No.16455834
    I guess it would a good learning experience for Suigetsu to see this.
    "Very well. Tomorrow morning, then."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:27 No.16455852

    "Sounds...enlightening. However, I must ask that Mangetsu be left out of this exercise; there's a third member of our party whom he must guard tomorrow."

    Not a lie at all...and we don't want him over-exerting himself in his condition. He can spend some nice brotherly time with his...brother.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:28 No.16455861
    Smile wider and look to Mangetsu and Little Shark. "What say you two? How would you like to see how Mist fairs in the Green Youth of the Leaf?"

    Hope for COMEPLETE awkwardness from nin that have been trained to murder their teammates in a friendly contest.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:29 No.16455868
    You know, we have to be the friendliest taciturn, bloodthirsty murdermachine ever.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:34 No.16455920
    I think the funniest part is that we're actually sincere about it all. Yes, Shima will ruthlessly and mercilessly cut you down and everyone that stands in his way in a mission, but meet him outside of one and he'll be the first to offer a toast to friendship, and be completely sincere about it.

    Hmm...well if there were some Konoha Academy kids that he could train with, that might be interesting.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)16:38 No.16455945
    We just need to remind him to be friendlier I suppose. I don't know how uh much 'rougher' the youngin' is used to being. Should be fine though.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)16:38 No.16455949
    We are are bit schizophrenic.

    Anyways, an idea about elemental chakra natures and jutsu. In canon, I believe the idea is each person has an affinity for a specific element, but after that learning to mold a new one gets progressively harder, to the point where most ninja just don't bother trying to get 3 down, and 5 is unheard of. My idea is that natures are a skill, and to use them you have to pass a chakra test, perhaps representing that you have to use more effort and hand seals to mold the chakra. I don't know what lower levels would limit, perhaps how much damage you can deal with that element or something, or I guess it naturally limits your successes when using a jutsu, so you are just less likely to use it effectively?
    So to use elemental jutsu you would have to master as many skills, making your advancement less focused. Maybe after the second or third you up the cost of skill points by one, then again for the next, depending on how hard you want it to be. I suppose it should be quite hard, since people are more likely to steal their enemies hearts/chakra to do it than learn it themselves.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)16:44 No.16456005
    I like the idea that you get an element when you reach genin or chunnin rank and possibly another when you reach jonin then randomise the results like we did.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)16:46 No.16456023

    "I'll see you tomorrow then!" He says and vanishes in a swirl of leaves. Kakashi shakes his head, "You have no idea what you're getting yourself into." with that he waves and vanishes as well.

    The next morning Guy is ready and waiting, doing a brief set of morning pushups with a huge stone on his back before he rolls over and stretches, "Ah!!! Alright! Let's do this!" He says and points, "First, we're going on a refreshing sprint around the village wall, then we're going to run up and down the Hokage office building ten times, and then six hundred pushups! Let's do this!"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:48 No.16456051

    "Last to finish buys breakfast?"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:49 No.16456057
    Let's do this! Like we'd lose to a Konoha shinobi!

    Wow. Rising Fighting Spirit just came on.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)16:50 No.16456070
    Look...shocked, but nod. And lets do that!
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)16:58 No.16456159

    The morning is a blur of exhaustion. Despite your amazing conditioning and strength you crap out at at pushup 500, wheezing from effort as Guy hops up at the same time you drop, his 600 done as he fires off a flurry of kicks and punches. "Alright! That felt great!" He says and laughs, "Come on, Shimaru-san, breakfast will be my treat!" He offers and sprints down the street laughing like a mad man, villgers diving out of his way.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)17:01 No.16456197
    "And...Kakashi...puts up with..this...every day?!"
    Found: newfound respect for the Copycat Ninja.
    Get our breath back, then follow Guy.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)17:01 No.16456201

    In as dull a monotone as we can manage as we start to sprint away:

    "Springtime of YOOOUUUTTHHHH"
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)17:03 No.16456222

    It's a wonder that Kakashi ever beats him.

    Particularly seeing as Kakashi's a lazy faggot. He'd probably be the Fifth right now if he trained as hard as this.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)17:03 No.16456223
    Ok I busted out laughing about that one.

    You eat breakfast quickly and Guy offers to train you in the dojo with some friendly sparring. As you leave the restaurant you run into Asuma who elects to join as well. The three of you head to the dojo and begin stretching. Guy stomps hard, leaving a crack about three feet across in the ground, and smiles, "Yosh! Alright! Let's do this!"

    (And now to work!)
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)17:03 No.16456226
    Pant and wheeze and nod, thanking Mighty Guy. Should we promice that we can do 600 push ups by tomorrow? Or we have to walk around the outside of the Villiage on our hands?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)17:05 No.16456241

    "*wheeze* Amazing *gasp* how does he do it?"

    Continue on, we said we'd spend a day like him and by jove we're going to do it! And hopefully we can beat him at least once, not that I have too much faith in that.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)17:07 No.16456271

    Alright, GAME ON!!

    We don't know Asuma's abilities, but we've presumably got some idea of Guy's...and know we're no match for him sans sword. So, in order to even the odds and get a gander at Asuma's stats...

    Lets do this:

    *Look at Asuma*

    "...Double Team?"
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)17:12 No.16456342
    Topics for discussion

    People you want to meet-

    People you want to fight-

    Characters you want to interact with-

    Long term goal-

    (Have a good evening y'all, be back at like 11-12 board time.)
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)17:14 No.16456364
    You know, in terms of character development, we've come a long way from the blood-thirsty and cold-blooded killer that graduated from the Academy, back in the first thread.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)17:16 No.16456382
    He smiles and says "sure." Before rounding on Shimaru with Guy. Heh, hopefully not. He was the one in charge of our duel, it seemed, and he is a Sarutobi and powerful Jounin, so he might just be well known, and he could of been one of the people who's files we flipped through since he was one of the last people we met.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)17:22 No.16456442
    Blink at the crack and idly wish our sword was with us.

    Stop as well!
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)17:33 No.16456543
    Erg. I meant 'Stomp' as well.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)17:45 No.16456630
    Do we want to look for Anko? I'm assuming she was mentioned in the file regarding Orochimaru and if so we could mention that we want to hunt him down at some point.

    Do you guys think we should go to that tea house at some point to pay for the damages to the door? If we do we can get an invoice and for when we see Kisame next, because Orochimaru interuppting totally counts as a forfiture.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)18:11 No.16456799
    Anko is a very good lead, she is another connection to Akatsuki and our sidequest of finding Kimimaro. She could be rather traumatized though. Orochimaru was her sensei, she had an even closer bond to him than we did with Kisame, and he abandoned her after killing 9 of her peers, probably her closest friends. At this point she is a young lady and probably a Chunin; she was very promising, but afterwards she only became a Tokubetsu Jounin. I think it took a lot out of her. We could probably help her, coming from a similar situation.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)18:22 No.16456880

    Agreed, we should find her.

    And I wouldn't blame her lack of performance on too much trauma- pretty much everyone from around that age seems to be an underachiever, except maybe Guy. Seriously, to say that Naruto's all about the next generation surpassing the last, THAT generation really did shit-all.

    And it didn't help Anko that she was a woman, either.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)18:25 No.16456911
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    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)18:31 No.16456975
    Is this naruto d20 stuff? Please tell me
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)18:40 No.16457063
    d10 actually the guy running the quest made the rules and we're changing things as we go. Read through the thread to find the links to the first thread onwards. The information on the system is linked in the first and susequent threads.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)18:41 No.16457075
    Sorry ment to link to this post
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)18:50 No.16457172

    It's understandable that you would link to a picture so sexy.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)18:56 No.16457225
    I do admit that is a very sexy picture. The draw fags have done an amazing job.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)19:01 No.16457287

    Thankee. I'm wondering who to do next. I might try to do more standard poses for everyone from this point, so we can collage them together as the Seven Swordsmen.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)19:05 No.16457334
    Youshi! Konoha no Kedakaki (碧)aoi moju! Kiri no shibui (蒼)aoi moju!

    <Leaf's Noble/'High Minded' Green Beast! Mist's Cool/Grim Blue/Pale Beast!>
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)19:08 No.16457368
    Maybe make them mimic the poses that the other version of the seven swords had? Like was used as the picture at the start of thread 6?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)19:13 No.16457421

    S'why I saved it. But as for which go where...'tis a mystery.

    Other than us being Kisame.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)19:25 No.16457535
    Yes, so very yes. Mangetsu and Yuki could be the two down on their knees and Waraji could be the one to our immediate left. The harlequin guy could be the one on the far right but I don't know about the other two. Just my two cence anyway
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:11 No.16458032
    Thinking about it, has Guy ever been shown killing an opponent? Maybe that's part of the nickname. Or it could just be that I can't remember him ever being depicted fighting an opponent that was strong enough to were he would need lethal force and plot allowed him to kill them. Also part of the genre I suppose, if strong characters fight they are more likely to just beat each other to exhaustion; to kill someone you have to choose to do it and be stronger. OP averted that one.

    also, could anyone who understands japanese better than I explain why it is kedaka/ki/ instead of kedaka/i/, or was my source misspelled? Maybe I should ask in a venue where the weeaboo is stronger.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:21 No.16458109
    >People to meet
    Anko for leads on Orochimaru. Maybe bump up against the Uchiha we fought (could have been either Itachi or Shisui), and the Ino-Shika-Cho Trio; be polite and don't hold a grudge against them, compliment them on their teamwork.
    As a courtesy, maybe at least say hello to the Fourth Hokage. Gotta be polite and all.

    >People to fight
    Sparring match with Gai, Asuma. Maybe Kakashi. Fighting Kisame should be FINAL BOSS. Maybe fight and drive off Orochimaru, but he's still S-Rank.

    >Characters to interact with
    Some of the Konoha shinobi. Maybe our professionalism can show them a mercenary world without hatreds. Once we get back, interact with Yuki, Mei, Gen, Aya, and the Swordsmen.

    >Long-term Goal
    Hunt down Kisame and bring him back to the Village, one way or another.
    People also seem to want peace between the Hidden Villages, but I'm not sure how that's supposed to get achieved.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)20:23 No.16458128
    Y'know I wonder, if we can get our kage to trust us enough do you think we'd be able to convince her to allow us to get Kisame to rejoin the village? Just a thought.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:28 No.16458168
    I don't know.
    Right now, I'm regretting that we didn't give Zabuza a choice to come back to the Village willingly. Mei essentially did the same thing, only succeeded where she failed. And all things considered, he was one of the Swordsmen that Kisame respected, which does count for something.

    But, the past is the past.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:32 No.16458216

    I wonder about her intentions...

    I mean, telling us to kill the Raikage hardly fosters peace or is nice. And that the previous Mist kage's bodyguards were sent out with us while she assassinated him...and we were delayed by 5 Konoha shinobi...Konoha who also acted as the staging ground for our Raikage kill...

    I don't like it. I'm not about to say we're being used, but there's a few questions we need to ask, I think.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:34 No.16458235
    To be fair, we're no low rank Jonin. We did just wipe the floor with a just-retired Kage after all. I don't think we're S-Rank though, or at least Shimaru certainly wouldn't think that way. We've got a ways to go to compete with the upper echelons, but aside from that I think we can take nearly any non-S-Rank Ninja in a straight up fight.

    Speaking of which, we really need to get our Speed Rank up to 4 and find some way to avoid tunnel vision ruining our day. We should also work on improving our Uniques, and probably aim for a summon.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:36 No.16458266
    Those that betray our village are not to be redeemed. The only reason we worry about Sampei is because he was our teacher and friend.

    Also, I find it hilarious that our Rival gave up the goat and settled down to start making money from his skill without fighting. We need to share this with Guy, and how lucky he is that Kakashi hasn't decided that the way of the ninja is too hard and that there are other, more lucrative, ventures out there.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)20:39 No.16458286
    Well we would have to admit that he did help us out though, because our sword IS pretty badass thanks to him. Still its true.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:42 No.16458335
    Hey now, the path of the shinobi is not one of solitude. Weapons. Armor. Medicine. Information. Research. No one shinobi can accomplish all of these things on his own. We Are A Village.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:44 No.16458348
    Yeah, Guy is lucky to have Kakashi around.

    There is a Perk, and I can't remember the name right now, that let's us operate normally even at Speed Rank 3 and above without special eyes like the Sharingan and Byakugan.
    Getting speed up is real expensive in terms of skill points, but I agree that we should get it up.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:45 No.16458356
    You know, I think that needs to be our last actual unique. "So Unballanced: Anyone, including Shimaru, will train twice as hard around the Buzzsaw of the Mist. Disregard point scaling."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:49 No.16458414
    Oh yeah, he's an amazing bro and he is our lifeline for when we get too...far...but the guy we were glaring at all through Academy days kinda went 'nah, I'm gonna make money' when we thought he'd get some badass mind controlling eyes and giant mecha.

    Unless it's all a trick, and he's still taking missions, but we don't know that.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)20:51 No.16458440
    While plenty of people want to be friendly with the Leaf, I don't think anyone has outright supported or denounced my suggestions of aspirations to a wider peace, which is fine; we haven't come to a point where such a thing would occur to Shimaru and require a vote. To explain how such a thing may occur though, I imagine it would first require forging alliances between the villages, strong ones, which already seems at least possible with the Leaf. The Cloud would be much more difficult; I imagine we would sooner be able to kill A and B and foster better feelings with a new Head than heal those wounds. The next step, I think (I look forward to hearing other's thoughts), is to form an overarching government. It would probably just start as a council between the Leaf and the Mist, but through force of arms and diplomacy we would have the others join over time. Forming the shinobi alliance is going to cause hell with the daimyo, but I say fuck them (not in character of course), they are normal humans who think they can be the sovereign powers in a world with super humans? Against their wishes? The daimyo would need to be enlightened to this peaceful alliance and brought into the fold or removed, probably clandestinely since we are fucking ninja. I know this is ambitious as hell and not even our agreed upon philosophy, but if Shimaru did try, I think even managing a generation of peace would be admirable. And I mean real peace, not this 'we aren't at war, but we still kill each other whenever someone with money tells us to.'
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:53 No.16458462
    You know, if he's been doing scroll-work the entire time I'm guessing he's got some fucking amazing chakra control and ninjutsu capabilities/understanding. After all, he has to regulate and manipulate whatever chakra he puts into them logically, and he not only makes a lot of scrolls but high-power ones too.

    I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he's kept the best works for himself. He should be more than capable of ending a lot of fights just with a single unfurling of a scroll.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)20:59 No.16458545
    Who needs combat capabilitis when you summon BattleMechs?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)21:06 No.16458638
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)21:10 No.16458683

    We took out a Kage, yes. But we used a one shot trick that won't work again (i'm sure A and B are thinking up ways to counter it) and we were lucky as all hell. True, fortune favors the bold and all that. Buuuuuut! We should only push our luck so far.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)21:12 No.16458700
    I keep talking about peace, but that has just been the train of thought I first fell upon. The other natural progression is domination. Conquering the other lands. I just have a harder time imagining how that could ever work. Let alone the achievement of actually defeating all the enemies who would oppose us, enforcing 'peace' upon them would become the task of a tyrant ruler. You would never be able to win the hearts of the current generation of citizens, and you would have to deal with ninja guerrillas. The Horror. I wouldn't vehemently oppose such a path if others wanted to take the story there, but damn.

    ...Now I start to see the similarities between the two though... I was probably just casting a biased light upon a false dichotomy. Whatever, I have elucidated some strategies.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)21:21 No.16458808

    See now...peace and world domination is all good and all, but...I'm not interested in that. And as a character, we aren't either. We're for our village, not the world, and we're all for orders and professional work- we kinda lack the idealism that those kind of ambitions need.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)21:30 No.16458910
    why do I have the hunch that shit is going to go down in the village while we are here.....
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)21:31 No.16458925
    Honestly, I like the idea of Shimaru ending up bringing peace to the world, but not doing it intentionally. Doing it via being a polite, professional, honest man who is a blood thirsty manic would be hilarious.
    >> aon 09/28/11(Wed)21:34 No.16458951
    I agree but at the same time I do believe that it'd be keeping with our character so far to want to gain allies. As long as it will aid our village to prosper we'll do it I figure, if that can be done by fostering allies where previously we had but tenuous relations so be it. We can also go the route of making our village so feared that none wish to face our ninjas for fear of our repraisles, still if we can gain allies I see no down side especially if we can then prove to be loyal and capable ones.

    Remember guys we're an honest man and in this busines honesty, fair dealing and integrity are worth entire castles of gold. Again just my two cents.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)21:52 No.16459144
    And if such is the course the quest takes, I have no problem with that; I just personally think someone so powerful -should- think about where his sword points.

    Returning to my old hypotheticals, if we did try to eventually ally with the cloud, which I mentioned being quite hard, I have thought about a possible tact. "A-dono, (and B-sama, if he is there, I don't feel as comfortable predicting his feelings) yours is a personal vendetta, but I do not reproach you for it. Your mother died in the line of duty, and your father died trying to avenge her. If you truly hate me, then understand that it is me you hate, not my cause. I wish only to unite our peoples and stop this from happening again. If you can not put the past behind you, than at least accept future peace. If you desire it, I will duel you (and B, but successively, the point is it would be only us that shed blood not anyone else), but you must agree that with that death the feud is over and the Cloud will join the council."
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)21:55 No.16459192

    Pretty much these. We MIGHT bring peace, but it isn't our primary intent.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)22:13 No.16459444
    It's called Speed Familiarity, and it negates all the cons of moving really fast. Blitz 4 is really nice, though, for fights and other purposes. Most people would get -3 dice on their attacks against us, and we get to be our own private jet. Hmm, I wonder if we could modify Water Prison to allow us to bring people around with us without killing them due to SUPER SPEED.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)22:39 No.16459790
    Imagine the implications of NOT making it safe: Water Prison + Blitz 4 + Spin to win = WASHING MACHINE JUTSU

    It's like the NASA G-force training machines, except with no brakes, we'll literally shake some poor fucker apart from the sheer centrifugal force. Amazing.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)22:47 No.16459877
    You know, I vaguely wanna go to Amegakure to see the technical marvels up there - maybe bring some back for Gen.
    I'd also like to see some stuff outside canon, or at least stuff that was only touched on in canon - I'm kinda worried that we're gonna get sucked into focusing on Leaf Village rather than explore the big ol' world. That's not to say I'm not loving hanging with Guy and the rest of the Leaf crowd, but this is ground that Naruto covers. We should make explore and make OP craft some new stuff for us.

    Maybe see what's off the map, too. I bet that Naruto Europe would be fun...
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)23:05 No.16460045

    Dealing with Chakra Wizards and Knights?

    Oh hey. Maybe that's where the Biju decided to fuck around and were bound into weapons like shushu in Wakfu...
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)23:07 No.16460068
    Dealing with Chakra Musketeers. But that can happen later. For now, we are dueling with the High Minded Green Beast. Also, we -have- to try and get Mist's Cool/Grim Blue/Pale Beast to be one of our new nicknames. And we need to come up with a cool way to say 'Killed the Lightning Kage'
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)23:08 No.16460075

    ...Water Prison Rasengan?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)23:13 No.16460137
    Kinda, but instead of making the water prison spin in our hand, we spin in place with the water prison- Think mario 64 bowser boss fights sped up 300X the normal game speed.
    >> Vash !!dMtXqB7Kp6m 09/28/11(Wed)23:13 No.16460139
    >>16460068 And we need to come up with a cool way to say 'Killed the Lightning Kage
    We are 'Raikiri,' the lightning cutter. The story apparently goes that a swordsman with his sword (chidori) was being struck by lightning, but he cut the lightning god instead, and so named his sword Raikiri. Not that I think we should try calling ourselves this in character unless we wanted to taunt his sons again, but it's still a cool moniker.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)23:24 No.16460261
    Oh, I looked into it more and I think the /ki/ ending is an old style attributive conjugation that was supplanted by the /i/ style.
    If we were Shibu/ki/ it becomes a pun, meaning both that kind of "restrained masculinity" and "splash/spray." I only took high school Japanese though, so I don't know if I am making retarded mistakes.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)23:30 No.16460323
    I'd be happy to explore other parts of the continent. Trust me, I have had my fill of the Leaf. I really want us to go to the Hidden Stone Village sometime! Got some fun stuff up there.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)23:35 No.16460382
    And there's been some serious philosophy since I've been gone, eh?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)23:40 No.16460432

    But what about the World?
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)23:41 No.16460440
    Yep! And I'm glad you're not wanting to chain us to Leaf. Although they do have the bonus of being the most iconic, I do wanna explore the world - inclcuding filler and movies, sad to say.
    >> OP 09/28/11(Wed)23:44 No.16460498

    New thread, yo.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)23:46 No.16460516
    Well, since Leaf has no love of Cloud, making an alliance, or at least, a non-aggression pact between them and Mist just makes sense. Also improving trade through Leaf into Sand would promote trade and wealth for all of our Lands, resulting in more lucrative mission contracts.
    Just something that Shimaru has been thinking about on the Merchant's Road.

    Also, you might want to create another thread.
    >> Anonymous 09/28/11(Wed)23:47 No.16460530
    Oh yes, please. Ever since I got this vague idea of 'Europe comes into not-China and Japan' I just love the idea of The Greek classical elements and Knights and Musketeers and Aether Release Nijitsu.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)00:07 No.16460745
    Oh lord.
    >Both can't take ONE FUCKING PLACE.
    >Bullshit powers out the wazoo
    >Hilariously Incompetent
    >Lose like fucking chumps every time

    Face it guys, Orochimaru is Japanese Abaddon.
    >> Anonymous 09/29/11(Thu)01:02 No.16461303
    The fuck happeed with old-school hidden mist swordsman concept? You know, a hardcore paranoid guy, who enjoys cleaving people in half? Who is that faggot being friends to everyone? Guys, Im dissapointed in you. There are so many opportunies for gathering first rate intelligence for our village and none are exploited, except Guy powel level check.
    And being polite =/= being friendly, remember how we insulted A? Thats how it works.
    Being honest =/= being secret spouting fool. We are shinobi first, we are not telling everything to potential enemies.
    Forging alliances is a Mizukage thing, not our buiseness. Achievieng ultimate peace wont leave a place for shinobi in Five Nations. Thats a nightmare for individual, whose value is a individual strenght.

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