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    451 KB Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:46 No.16103044  
    I think elements of Pathfinder's Magus class need some serious retooling. A player from my group built a Magus, and I believe he's broken the system thoroughly. His presence in a CR appropriate encounter renders other players moot, even in a serious knockdown drag-out. I let him play a Magus, because he'd just lost a beloved Rogue to a stone golem - he NEVER should have gone toe to toe.

    Also, we were lacking in solid DPS , as the other players had built a diplomacy Cleric of Cayden Cailean, a defend the party and counterattack Paladin, and blocker summoning Lore-Master Wizard (fuck yeah, celestial Ankylosaurus!) They're pretty rad. It was really beginning to show, because the party was spending most of their time healing.

    Magus player selected the Bladebound Archtype, which gives you an intelligent sword as a class feature, all good and well. He picked a scimitar. Improved Critical is appropriate to the character, as the weapon is kind of his shtick. The Magus feature Spell Strike seemed cool (I stab the guy, I cast a spell simultaneously) and I really had no trouble with him selecting the Magus Maximize Spell ability at 12th level. Need I continue, or can you see where this is going?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:48 No.16103068

    For fuck's sake.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:51 No.16103096
    Shove off, bro, MMOs steal all, ALL their tropes from D&D and the like, DPS has been a thing since fucking CHAINMAIL, there just wasn't a set term for it. Now there is. Quit being so derriereenraged about it.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:52 No.16103108
    Pathfinder has the same problem as 3.5. If you're a fighter, all you have to do is make strength checks to throw people/pit fiends/dragons through stone walls whenever they disagree with you; none of the other classes does anything worthwhile. Some idiots like to play casters because they think being able to resurrect someone at the cost of buttloads of XP is a good idea, when, if they'd gone fighter instead, they could just pick up a boulder and use it to block meteor swarms dodge-ball style.

    Fucking fighters are too powerful in 3.5.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:53 No.16103116
    Call it DPR for damage per round or striker at least.
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    I hope you drown in twelve daily servings of cock.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:55 No.16103148
    Gtfo my /tg/. Theres plenty of space for you in /b/. Go on.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:55 No.16103150
    I always heard DD until MMOs really started taking off.

    I don't think I ever heard DPS anywhere outside of video games.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:58 No.16103179
    Yes, but they're ultimately the same. Hell, in 3.x/PF/4e, just divide your average Damage Per Round (DPR) by 6, and that's technically your DPS.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:59 No.16103181

    I don't give a fuck about the term, but thinking about organized class rolls in that way just irks me. Fuck it, I'll discuss it with you.

    Your problem isn't the Magus, it's a combination of the player and your over-permissiveness as a DM. Pathfinder is still rooted in 3.5, and despite some efforts, can still be broken. Paladins, Clerics, Wizards, Sorcerers, Druids, and the Magus can all be as much if not more ridiculous in terms of the damage they can dish out and general durability/utility. Magus doesn't need retooling IMO. I like Pathfinder, but it suffers some of the same problems 3.5 does - namely, vastly different power levels between classes and different characters. This is mostly something that is best handled between DM and player. If you're set on being permissive - design challenges to let the other players shine.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)01:59 No.16103188
    but he only gets six levels of casting

    and he should've gotten a bastard sword, then he could two-hand it when he's not using spellfighting or whatever it's called
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:00 No.16103196

    Oh and I'm only >>16103068 and >>16103181
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:03 No.16103226
    Drink came out of my nose. Hilarious post.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:04 No.16103232
    About the only exotic weapon that's worth a feat is a falcata, a bastard sword has very little benefit over a scimiatar 2 more average damage per hit, but a smaller crit range? Not worth it.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:04 No.16103233
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    >stop liking what I don't like

    Pathfinder does, to a lesser extent, use certain mechanics that mirror MMO combat. Damage mitigation, taunting to pull an enemy's attention from an ally, etc.

    Rounds are, static, 6 seconds. The term applies. You want to call it damage per round? Fine. But DPS communicates the idea adequately in three characters.

    That said, I had the party setting up an ambush for an Umbral Dragon. They had time to prep, a squad of crack-shots concealed in an elevated position, wards, the works. And the cleric crafted a superb letter to taunt the dragon - brilliant rolls, combined effort, the player wrote it all out on paper.

    And lest you get the idea the paladin was being underhanded, he's a Paladin of Sarenrae, and the dragon is a known servant of Rovagug who fought DIRTY, killing defenseless family members and friends of the PCs to demoralize and intimidate them. The oath the player took reads, "The best battle is a battle I win. If I die, I can no longer fight. I will fight fairly when the fight is fair, and I will strike quickly and without mercy when it is not."
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:07 No.16103265
    Is it a 12th level game?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:16 No.16103338

    Assuming attack rolls 1-20 out of 20 attack rolls, and consistent damage rolls across the board, a scimitar deals 69 expected damage, while a bastard sword deals 110. These assume slightly below-average (i.e., 3 out of 6 for a scimitar and 5 out of 10 for a bastard sword) damage rolls. Scimitars have thusly only 63% the damage output of bastard swords.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:18 No.16103358
    So the party steals the Dragon's most prized possession, leaves the "thanks for macguffin, schmuck" letter with a silk rose, a small box of chocolates, and a small stuffed doll tailored to look like the dragon, but with an idiotic expression on his face. The letter also details where to find them.

    Blind with rage and not too terribly wise, the dragon hastes and teleports himself and two allies to the ambush location to fuck them up.

    Magus with the initiative takes a five foot step, full attack, Maximized spell, and uses an ability for two points of his arcane pool that drops the dragon to it's touch AC for a short while. I realize the dragon's touch AC is 5.

    The Magus crits, and deals 147 damage with the first hit, bypassing DR because his damage counts as magic. Subsequent attacks total to 128 damage, and the Paladin has thrown down two uses of smite evil to grant the ability to adjacent allies.

    Ancient wyrm. Supposed to be a knockdown dragout, a test of skilled players with a tactical advantage against a vastly superior foe. The combat literally lasted three rounds, and the main combatant was dead during round one before other players could even act.

    I respectfully asked the player to turn the sheet in, make a new character, and banned his particular character build from the game. Player didn't seem surprised. Is this a reasonable adjudication?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:18 No.16103362
    That's some of the most slanted dishonest math I have ever seen.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:20 No.16103381
    The only worthwhile post in this thread.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:27 No.16103426
    what spell did he maximize? I can imagine a few choices, but the real issue is the paladin's aura of justice - +2 damage to enemy for every level for first hit, +1 on all others and bypass DR +crit is already doing a shitload of damage, the spellstrike just makes it crazy. the synergy on that is dangerous as hell, but paladins with keen or improved crit on 17-20 weapons are monsters in combat against that sort of enemy anyways.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:27 No.16103430
    Assuming a Strength of 0 and no magic or feats.

    Yes, at nothing but dice, the bastard sword looks bigger, but if we add a static number behind it, like, say, +12, it becomes the scimitar dealing 15X20, or 300, versus the b-sword's 17X20, or 340. Scimitar gets 3 crits for an extra 35, or 335, b-sword gets 2 for 357. Oh, and improved crit adds 3 crits to scimitar, 2 to b-sword, changing gap to 380 and 391.

    This gap steadily decreases as the static number goes up, until at high levels *the scimitar outdamages the bastard sword*.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)02:28 No.16103438
    rolled 56 = 56

    >ITT we imply Wizards aren't the best in Pathfinder
    OP, you need to continue. Doing one maximized magus spell per day is not OP.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:30 No.16103448
    Wait, did my math wrong, b-sword starts with a 40 point gap, ends with a 408, or 28 point gap.

    Still, you can see how this isn't stacking up well for the bastard sword.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:31 No.16103459
    I ran the same math, and wound up with different numbers: 85 expected on the scimitar, 110 on the bastard sword. And ok, that would imply still only a 77% efficiency-- but if you actually pare down the damage expected per attack, you're looking at approximately 4.25 to 5.5.

    So yes, the expected damage is about 1 higher per attack. But... who cares?

    Wait, why is this an issue again?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:36 No.16103505
    Mostly because, overall, it's silly to have all these "exotic" weapons that eat up a whole feat (which, despite statements to the contrary, are not super-abundant in PF, though certainly better than in 3.x) for, ultimately, little to no reward. It's dishonest and really a little insulting.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:38 No.16103526
    >killing a dragon with shocking grasp

    hahahaha, YES
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:40 No.16103534

    Sounds like you got excited DM syndrome more than anything. Never put in an enemy expecting anything, especially the fight to last a certain amount of time. I've been there man, it sucks.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:42 No.16103548
    I figured that would be the spell, since it's the backbone of the class - I'm sure he intensified it so it went to 10d6 instead of 5d6, but that's just 66 damage from a 4th or 5th level spell slot, which isn't crazy impressive - it's just the method of delivery that made it awesome. I think you're judging him unfairly, especially since it can't have been an easy roll to overcome the dragon's SR.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:42 No.16103551
    >op lets party make an ambush
    >op gets pissed when ambush works
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)02:42 No.16103552
    >It's dishonest and really a little insulting.
    *shows you the Heirloom Weapon trait*

    I'm guessing you only read the core and APG?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:43 No.16103560
    Then it eats a trait, same deal.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:44 No.16103569
    Dragons have spell resistance. Assuming ancient umbral dragon and 12th level party, the shocking grasp would've had 15% chance of working. Even with Greater spell penetration it would be 35% chance. That can be boosted some more, but it's a reasonable assumption that it had a high chance of not working.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:46 No.16103587
    >*action text*

    back to /gaia/, narutard
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:47 No.16103597
    147 first hit + 126 subsequent hits + 44 from Smite Evil = OP by my standards. The Magus get access to heavy armor, uses the second most powerful base attack bonus progression, and becomes more ludicrous with every level. It allows a gish to one-round-rape a monster with a 38 AC and CR 19.

    I was kind of amused, myself, but it derailed a big fight and made every other player a little disgusted.

    The Magus player has graciously agreed to play a Master Spy. I'm reading up on them as we speak in preparation for the next session.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:47 No.16103601
    >>16103233 taunting to pull an enemy's attention from an ally

    You can do this just fine in 3.5 D&D. It's not new to Pathfinder.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:50 No.16103629
    Am I reading this right and hearing that your Paladin took the option that gives up Smite Evil?

    ...not all options are created equal OP, no matter how much Pathfinder might pretend they are.

    In any case - the Magus isn't broken. It's like a Duskblade, but overall more well rounded. It does pretty decent damage, but it's not amazing. The rest of your group is likely just considerably less optimized, so a 'ready made' gish like the Magus has thrown things off.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:55 No.16103661
    >not too terribly wise
    >ancient wyrm
    You ran an antagonist badly, and neglected the rules. Doesn't make the class OP, although it is one of the stronger Pathfinder classes.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:56 No.16103663
    Im not seeing a problem here. If your BBEG had failed his will save to a witch's slumber hex and gotten coup de graced in the first round, would you also say that was overpowered?
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)02:57 No.16103672
    rolled 20 = 20

    troll harder

    >posting in a thread for a roleplaying game
    >thinks people are gaiafags for expressing actions with text
    >worthless piece-of-shit post
    Man, I bet you're a REALLY cool guy. gb2 being a faggot somewhere else

    What dragon is this that has CR 19 that's "not too terribly wise"
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:57 No.16103674
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    I'm not personally offended by seriously OP characters. I'm more concerned with delivering a balanced game where each player can contribute.

    I had a former player do the same thing with a Charisma heavy Rogue + Feinting + precision damage, which ended poorly for him when he got pinned down by a large ooze. We let him go because he as a person was a glory hog who overtly and intentionally annoyed every player.

    At least our new guy knows why we need him to play a different character, and has acquiesced.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)02:59 No.16103687
    >posting in a thread for a roleplaying game

    's got nothin' to do with nothin'. you ain't roleplayin', you just don't have any idea how to post.

    you're a pretty shitty tripfag. just try being anon, then at least i won't be able to connect one stupid post with another.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:00 No.16103697
    >implying I care what a mad neckbeard that spends his time trolling on /tg/ thinks
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:02 No.16103707
    Yeah why don't you play that other game that isn't broken.

    You know.

    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:03 No.16103714
    You could do it in 3.5e actually. It was one of the cornerstones of the Knight class, and I believe there were a couple of other ways to do it with intimidate tricks.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:04 No.16103717
    You haven't explained the problem at all.

    Is he doing too much damage? Then why do you need more damage? It seems like the rest of your party is utter shit.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:04 No.16103720
    Or they could play a decent fantasy game.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:04 No.16103721
    That was an Achilles heel I built in to a customized monster, to make things a little more interesting. Powerful as hell, yes, but a character that would act rashly given the right provocation. If you want me to admit fault, look here >>16103502 where I already did.

    Mistakes are learning opportunities. I was able to water the xp due to aid received, and the dragon's hoard is on another plane, heavily guarded by followers. The event hasn't destroyed the campaign, and I'm running the character in as a powerful NPC with his own agenda.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:06 No.16103728
    Name one that can't be broken.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:06 No.16103729
    >DPS has been a thing since CHAINMAIL
    Bald faced lie.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:07 No.16103736
    High level D&D is rocket tag. You teleported a dragon in not in the sky or with an initiative buff on but right in front of your players ready to be taken advantage of. I mean, why was there no surprise round, even? You can't afford to run enemies so badly, because at higher levels everything becomes extremely deadly. As was pointed out, you didn't even factor in spell resistance.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:07 No.16103738
    Pathfinder. Prove me wrong please.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:07 No.16103739
    It's DPR, dumbasses.

    Combat works in rounds, not seconds.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:08 No.16103741
    I'd say to keep it around.
    Mt group has a level 6 Magus and he is quiet the clever player.
    When I have a fight ready to go, if I think he'll just mow over the big baddy there, I normally plan for it. If the fight is kinda rough on the party, I let it play out. But if the enemies get wiped in the first turn from some nonsense. (Not just lucky rolls, mind you.) I head with Plan B. The group gets more xp and I have some more fun.

    Also this is random, but if someone were to use Stone Shape to cover a 10ft wide hole that was made with Create Pit. When Create Pit's time is up, would the creatures inside just be crushed to death?
    The only way out, I'd think, is to dispel magic on stone shape, but I'm not sure if that'd work or not.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:08 No.16103742
    rolled 78 = 78

    1 round = 6 seconds, dumbass
    >> Ruby !!iPJbBu5S79g 08/29/11(Mon)03:08 No.16103744

    I wasn't aware Fighters typically had 40 strength.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:09 No.16103750
    Thats why everyone says DP6S?

    No, it's in rounds and you know it.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:10 No.16103757
    Pendragon, Reign, Burning Wheel, Houses of the Blooded. These don't present equal options but they can't be broken in the same way as D&D. It just doesn't work, it's incompatible with the process of the game.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:11 No.16103766
    18-20 starting, +5 from level up, +5 inherent from having wish scrolls cast on you, +6 from a magic item. Not that unreasonable.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:12 No.16103776
    Time Stop is still a spell, yes?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:16 No.16103801
    Perhaps stuff like Scimitars are better for Dervish-style builds that want to crit-fish at higher levels, getting more attacks and thus, more potential crits, while bastard swords are for mobile, single-strike dudes who use Power Attack and Vital Strike, or like to charge?

    Of course, there are lots of abilities that trigger on crit now, so crit-fishing becomes a more viable build.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:17 No.16103810
    >I think elements of Pathfinder's wizard class need some serious retooling. A player from my group built a wizard, and I believe he's broken the system thoroughly. His presence in a CR appropriate encounter renders other players moot, even in a serious knockdown drag-out. I let him play a wizard, because he'd just lost a beloved Rogue to a stone golem - he NEVER should have gone toe to toe.

    >Also, we were lacking in solid DPS , as the other players had built a diplomacy Cleric of Cayden Cailean, a defend the party and counterattack Paladin, and blocker summoning Lore-Master Wizard (fuck yeah, celestial Ankylosaurus!) They're pretty rad. It was really beginning to show, because the party was spending most of their time healing.

    >wizard player selected spellcasting, which gives you an spell slots as a class feature, all good and well. He picked a hand of death. greater spell penetration is appropriate to the character, as the spell is kind of his shtick. The wizards feature Spells seemed cool ( I cast a spell) and I really had no trouble with him selecting the more spells at 12th level. Need I continue, or can you see where this is going?

    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:18 No.16103814
    I had a sword-and-board fighter that used a bastard sword and Vital Strike. It was pretty cool.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:19 No.16103819
    It's not broken. It's easy to undo any buffs and you can't use it to do damage and the classes that get timestop have crappy heal spells.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:20 No.16103832
    Not at all, but that would have been a much less astonishing WTF kind of victory. Also, Coup de Gras
    is not as simple in Pathfinder - you autohit and crit on a Coup de Gras, and if the defender survives the damage, he makes a fort save of 10 + deamage dealt or dies. Precision damage applies to this check, though, so a rogue / witch would be an effect team at this tactic.

    Overcame the SR, 19 on the die.

    We play with other systems. Deadlands, Shadowrun, GURPs, L5R. I'm more familiar with d20 mechanics, and enjoy Paizo's adjustments and additions to the existing system. Also, my game has been the longest running in our group, because the players really feel involved.

    I may be thinking about this the wrong way - not all problems can be solved by slaying the shit out of someone, and the Magus does have significant weaknesses.

    This is the voice of reason.

    These are friends, and we play for the social value of the game. They're not all very experienced, and they're not all sound tactical thinkers, but they're good friends and they're engaged by the storyline. That's good enough for me.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:21 No.16103839
    This is coming from a tripfag that enters the thread to assert the supertiority of wizards. If you're remotely competent with the system, you know it's still broken.

    Obligatory notice that eternal tripfags are cancer
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:21 No.16103840


    at least as far as my group of neckbeards can get
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:21 No.16103842
    >While the time stop is in effect, other creatures are invulnerable to your attacks and spells; you cannot target such creatures with any attack or spell. A spell that affects an area and has a duration longer than the remaining duration of the time stop have their normal effects on other creatures once the time stop ends. Most spellcasters use the additional time to improve their defenses, summon allies, or flee from combat.
    It is, but as OP.
    If you use AoE spells to hit enemies during the time stop and your DM doesn't call bullshit on that, then you've a shitty DM
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:22 No.16103854
    >the classes that get timestop have crappy heal spells
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    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:24 No.16103865
    good build if you want to go Hellknight. Still trying to figure that out, what the best build for them is. I'm torn between a "kick people into a huge fucking pit" judge-dredd shield-fighter who tanks and battlefield-controls (I AM THE LAW), or some sort of intimidator-dude who uses those intimidation feats to scare the piss out of people.

    Either build has a backup weapon in the form of a +2 Merciful Spiked Gauntlet, that crackles with black lightning when active. For those rare situations when someone needs to be taken in alive.

    for questioning.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:28 No.16103883
    Wizards are able to get out of any scenario and I consider them to be the best class but that doesn't mean they're the broken. There are definitely things other classes can do better than a wizard.

    >implying the coup de grace was different in 3.5

    >Shitty posters contributing nothing but their own retarded opinion that I'm wrong without presenting any evidence to the contrary
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:30 No.16103893

    You call that OP?

    In our pathfinder game, our monk was one-rounding balors, PLURAL, BALORS. Granted our monk had smite from the paladin, but still.

    Hell my druid one-shot balors on crits. Imp vital strike, animal growth, GMF, not shit str score, imp natural attack while shifted into a Stegosaurs. Granted the balors exploding did a number on me and killed me actually. Our monk fucking evaded everything though.
    I will lend this problem to your inexperience, simply triple the HP of a monster and pull no punches. If you're players say "BULLSHIT, I know from the Bestiary that that SOB we're fighting only has 368 HP. Say, no, it doesn't because I'm god and decide whats what here. Now sit down, shut up and roll some fucking dice."
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:31 No.16103903

    Wizards are roughly on par with Clerics, Erudites, Archivists, Druids and Artificers. Certainly not the best. But definitely in the top tier.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:32 No.16103911
    >triple the HP of a monster and pull no punches

    This is exactly how I have run every session of 3.5/Pathfinder since the first few. Things that can die in one round are not viable threats, and 3.5 characters are very good at making things die.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:32 No.16103913
    >Pathfinder thread
    >Erudites, Archivists, Artificers
    Wrong syste buddy. Also, Pathfinder Wizards are better than Druids or Clerics.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:33 No.16103915
    >He doesn't realize that the CO community already knows Pathfailure is broken and that the burden of proof is on him to disprove it

    >he's still a cancerous tripfag, and he bitches about posters mocking his blatantly retarded sense of optimization
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:35 No.16103934
    >has a stick up his ass
    >thinks he knows the system well but clearly doesn't
    >is That Guy and will never admit he's wrong
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:36 No.16103943
    Or just y'know, max their hit dice.
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    He thinks that posting about theoretical optimization makes that person That Guy in games
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:38 No.16103961
    Nope. The tip-off is being a stubborn asshole who thinks they're awesome when everyone else sees they're just a retard but they're too much of an assburger to notice.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:39 No.16103965
    You forgot the part about him being a fetishist chubby chaser.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:39 No.16103970
    Now tell me how that doesn't apply to you, tripfag.
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    Where the fuck are the citations for this
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:40 No.16103987
    I don't just come in a thread with worthless posts just because I like being an asshole, unlike you
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:41 No.16103992
    welcome to /tg/
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:42 No.16103996
    someone screen cap
    so we will always have proof that Darth Itachi is that guy
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:42 No.16104000
    >too stupid to screencap things himself
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:43 No.16104004
    Keep it up, we might finally be getting him down into the red zone.

    I'm gonna make some Ooze skin boots myself, what about you?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:43 No.16104006
    That only doubles their HP. Not sufficient.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:44 No.16104015
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    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:46 No.16104027
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    >i was toilet-trained at gunpoint

    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:46 No.16104032
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    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:48 No.16104046
    You guys come in here with opinions that you have absolutely no evidence to support, don't contribute anything to the tread, and then can't see that you're being That Guys.

    I'm not hurt. I just like pointing out what a retard you are. It gives me lulz.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:48 No.16104051
    >This is the voice of reason
    It really isn't. Please try something that isn't D&D at one point.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:51 No.16104070
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    >Replying to stupid image macros to protect your trippersona

    nay, it is thou that is retarded
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:51 No.16104075
    Oh god.

    Looking through the easymodo archives, one of Darth there's characters is apparently an "emo" LG drow paladin.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:54 No.16104087
    That's incorrect. Not sure how your reading skills can be so fail.

    It's not to pertect my tripsona. How are you on /tg/ if you can't read? I said it gives me lulz. Seeing that you're also a ponyfag is gravy.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:55 No.16104092
    >/tg/ Getting shit done.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:56 No.16104097
    >/tg/ Somehow can't read.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:56 No.16104100
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)03:57 No.16104105
    >Implying I have to type the way he does or get out of /tg/.
    >Some kind of crazy 4chan nazi
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:57 No.16104112
    >Namefag who is incredibly defensive over a single post
    >that doesn't even give a link
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:58 No.16104114
    Oh my bad, you were just insulting LG drow paladi-
    Motherfucker you take that jab at Sandwich BACK, tripstain.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:58 No.16104115
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    I read so good, I read in between lines. Keep trying man, maybe you'll be able to salvage your rep.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)03:58 No.16104116
    >everyone hates me
    >it must be everyone that sucks
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:00 No.16104124
    The worst kind of tripfag is this kind of one.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:00 No.16104126
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    >replying to trolls to protect image while saging so nobody sees his fail
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:01 No.16104130
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    >best thread on /tg/ right now
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:02 No.16104138
    Why so >implying, /tg/?
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)04:05 No.16104155
    I sage because it's what everyone who isn't retarded does when a thread is dead, idiot. And I don't give a shit about my image; I just like pointing out how retarded you are to fail at reading.

    Everyone doesn't hate me, and I never said everyone sucks. Just retards who think they should tell people who say "lulz" to go to /b/.

    >I read so good, I make stuff up as I go
    FTFY, leaving in the retard grammar-fail for posterity
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:06 No.16104164
    I really hope you get banned next time you fetish dump, but I'm aware you'd just evade it. That's probably why you are Itachi and not Uchiha now, actually.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:07 No.16104178
    Chubby chaser.Rgc hich
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:09 No.16104188
    Wait... you think there's just one person trolling you? Bwahahaha, I think there's 3 or 4 at the least... I'm the costanza poster and I'm not the "fail-read" poster.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:11 No.16104199
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    you should probably just cut your losses man

    this is embarrassing
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:12 No.16104207
    Someone archive this shit
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)04:13 No.16104218
    Nah, now that I realize that for some reason anthros are ok but fat anthros aren't, I won't post fat anthros again. I just assumed you guys were more open-minded originally. Dumb assumption, I know.

    >Rgc hich

    No, I think there's a few as well. You're a total retard for implying that you think "everyone" is 3-4 people.

    I'm having fun. It makes me feel better about myself to see people fail at trolling all around me.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:13 No.16104223
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    OP, here. Thanks to the valiant few who looked at the situation with an understanding eye and offered useful advice. To the rest?

    Um. Wow, guys. I can't see how any of what you've said is fulfilling or meaningful. Trolling is, by definition, only satisfying for sociopaths. You must lead lives that are, in whichever way, unbearably painful and lonely. I'm very, very sorry for the hand you've been dealt.

    I'm of the opinion that every system can be broken when the GM is not at least cognizant of his player's true capabilities. Accordingly, I'm going to copy my players character sheets, study their capabilities, and adjust encounters accordingly to give them a cinematic, engaging challenge. Which will simply require a LOT of time.

    I'm still relatively new to Pathfinder myself, but I'm learning, and I enjoy the system. Wish me luck. Thanks for your input, and goodnight.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:16 No.16104251
    >I'm of the opinion that every system can be broken when the GM is not at least cognizant of his player's true capabilities. Accordingly, I'm going to copy my players character sheets, study their capabilities, and adjust encounters accordingly to give them a cinematic, engaging challenge. Which will simply require a LOT of time.
    Good. I'm not sure who you think was trolling you, but this is the right course of action. Your dragon should have come in on the flyby, and far more buffed than he was.

    Regarding your image: does anyone have the other version of it, where the trolls are being enslaved to troll people on the internet?
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)04:18 No.16104272
    I'm sorry for feeding them. As much as I enjoy watching them dance, it was wrong of me to fuel their hijacking of your thread. It was hard to resist, as these trolls are particularly bad at hiding their trolling, which makes it extra amusing.

    You're right about the system only being broken when the GM is unprepared. I recommend you delete the thread, but if you want it around I guess I can just leave the trolls to get their last words in. I have a feeling nobody's got anything relevant to contribute at this point.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:20 No.16104289
    Don't count them out just yet.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:21 No.16104297
    You're under the impression they were trying to hide their trolling
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:23 No.16104307
    Everyone hates you bro, just accept it.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:23 No.16104311
    1) Remove cancerous tripfags from /tg/
    2) ???
    3) Profit!

    The potential benefits of trolling
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:23 No.16104314
    He's under the impression we're trolling. Calling Darth Itachi a shitposter isn't trolling, it's the truth.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:24 No.16104324
    Dude, going back over your posts in easymodo? EVERY thread you've appeared in was trolling and hating on you. You're a troll. Or if you're not, then neither was Touhoufag, and that didn't keep him from being banned.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:25 No.16104334
    Difference is: Touhou was a good poster.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:26 No.16104341
    You can get banned for things other than trolling, and avatarfagging is a legitimate reason for a ban.

    But really, he was banned because a mod hates touhou.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:27 No.16104349
    He was banned for repeated ban evading actually. And for being too autistic to stop posting pictures of little girls.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:29 No.16104362
    I'm not convinced he was actually avatar-fagging. No set character, no speaking-as-avatar, just topically relevant pictures.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:32 No.16104379
    He was banned because 1) the mod is a fuck and 2) he is autistic (I'm not using this as an insult, he is actually autistic) so: half-right.

    He shouldn't have kept posting 40-odd times, but I can understand why he lost it because it should never have been deleted in the first place. Completely related.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:35 No.16104400

    Darth, I know this means practically nothing, and you've probably already left the thread, but my answer to how Pathfinder can be broken:

    I can make a 15th level sorceror, using basic, no-brainer feats, that has a 17.5% chance of "killing" a Neothelid in a single turn. He has a 15.4% chance to do the same to a phoenix. And a 32% chance to do it to the party fighter (neither character has any items, I gave the Fighter great fort AND iron will, as well as both 22 Con and 16 wis)

    He can cast the spell to do this 6 times a day, and it's not his best spell.

    So, if he led each fight he got into with a CR 15 creature with (Stilled Baleful Polymorph), he's likely to win every 6th fight or so with a single move.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:36 No.16104410
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    Reminding you that the resident mod is awesome
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:36 No.16104412
    I was here for it, dude. He was banned at least 40 times.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)04:40 No.16104437
    What does your sorcerer do that has a 17.5 chance of killing a Neothelid? Please give specifics.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:40 No.16104446
    I hate to correct someone arguing with Darth, but a 15th level character with >20% chance of defeating a CR15 monster in a single round is not broken, not broken at all.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:48 No.16104504
    I miss that mod.

    I don't have anything against namefags, samefags, or people who don't like the same edition I like. But I really, really want this to remain a blue board in more than just color.

    I could go elsewhere, sure. But other boards just don't stack up. Character art, considerate system analysis, useful advice for GMs and players, the best copypasta on the internet, i don't even need other boards anymore: intelligen/tg/entlemen get shit done.

    And that also applies to porn.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:49 No.16104509
    The incident in question was where his thread was *deleted* 40 times, byt the *janitor*. He was actually banned but once.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:50 No.16104519
    >I miss that mod.
    Probably still around, given that the janitor/mods are a lot more lax than they were half a dozen months ago.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)04:51 No.16104532
    >And that also applies to porn.
    If only posting porn didn't get us banned.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)04:56 No.16104571

    Sorceror with the Arcane background representing his family's patriarch "modifying" his lineage with transmutation.

    Specializes in transmutation spells, has Spell Focus, Greater Spell Focus, Spell Pen, and Greater Spell Pen.

    Gave him a Charisma of 22 by level 15.

    His Stilled Baleful Polymorph has a save DC of 26.
    The rest is simple math: odds he'll beat SR, times Odds it will fail Fort, times odds it will fail Will.

    I hate to point out to someone so civil that that is just a further argument FOR Pathfinder being broken.

    A monster of your CR is supposed to tax your abilities at least a little. This guy is using his second-best level of spells to attack a creature of his level.

    Also, this character is practically nude, so it's entirely possible the odds are better.

    I played 3rd edition & 3.5 for ten years. They were my first roleplaying games. And I loved them.

    Now I look back and can see that the mechanics involved are so easily exploited. I'm not here to say you shouldn't play PF, or that your group will have problems, but just to point out.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)05:01 No.16104614
    Why are you casting it Stilled?

    >>16104446 >rude
    >"someone so civil"
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)05:12 No.16104687
    Civil was perhaps a strong word. I chose to read his post in a British accent, so it seemed polite to me, other than the dig at you.

    He casts it stilled A) to prevent bindings stopping him, B) to get a +1 to save DC, and C) So that all he does is snap "That's enough out of you!" and the enemy is a mouse.

    It's worth noting that this ISN'T his most optimized choice for this, since he'd be more effective just casting Flesh to Stone, which doesn't have a second saving throw, so his odds are ( 60% chance of connection times 55% chance of failed Fort = ) 33% on neothelid, and (60% chance of connection times 45% failed fort = ) 27% on the phoenix.

    Alas, I must to bed now, but that's the kind of thing you can find if you look hard enough.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)05:18 No.16104731
    Yea I was wondering why you didn't pick Flesh to Stone in the first place.
    >> Ren !bmoEsPk/KY 08/29/11(Mon)05:33 No.16104843

    Hey Darth.

    Stop giving us Tripfags a bad name.

    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)05:36 No.16104873
    Huh? Yes I did, here -
    "Static Bonus" = Strength, among other things.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)05:39 No.16104898
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    >I recommend you delete the thread
    oh, it's not that easy, friend.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)05:39 No.16104908
    Yeah yeah, but it depresses me no one actually writes it like a normal human being and produces the average damage.
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)05:41 No.16104922
    Oh, I meant because I figured it was degenerate and I didn't think there'd be real discussion afterwards. I'm happy for everyone to watch as trolls trip over themselves trying to diss me.

    Troll smarter
    >> Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)05:43 No.16104941
    Wait, why DID you archive this anyway? Only a retard would think this thread is worth archiving. I'm disappointed that sup/tg/ is run by retards, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)05:44 No.16104943
    all right! the bitch is ready for round two....too bad we don't give a fuck...
    what are we talking about? Are we still discussing the Magus class?
    >> Mr. I ain't bumpin this 08/29/11(Mon)05:45 No.16104958
    it's gonna -20 in a few anyways, so who gives a shit
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)05:46 No.16104964
    > Are we still discussing the Magus class?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)05:48 No.16104976
    wut? did i spell it wrong, or?
    >this isn't what discussions are on /tg/
    >> Why bump this shit? Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)05:48 No.16104986
    >the bitch
    Oh, my feelings! You mean I don't meet your approval? How will I SLEEP at night?! BAWWW!

    After look at the archive, I'm not surprised this thread was archived, as the archive is full of awful stuff. I'd only seen gold on there before, since I'm a newfag.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)05:51 No.16105007
    Who doesn't know about the easymodo archives.

    The one that archives everything. And I do mean, everything.
    >> have you ever been so FFFF- that you LOL'd? Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)05:51 No.16105008
    NO FUCK YOU! I started that shit! don't you take it you fucking nonymous cunt. nonycunt! fuck you
    >> Why bump this shit? Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)05:53 No.16105019
    What made you think I didn't know about it? I was talking about suptg. Why does Anon always make such wild assumptions?
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    >Who doesn't know about the easymodo archives
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)05:56 No.16105045
    What made me think so was when you went "Citation Needed" when you were accused of chubby-chasing.
    Which is totally true.
    >> Why bump this shit? Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)05:58 No.16105056
    I didn't say citation needed. Fuck, can't you read?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)06:03 No.16105090
    So you're not fighting it. Good.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)06:04 No.16105098
    But now, see, you sir are Anonymous, so your chubby-chasing is irrelevant.
    >> Why not bump this shit? Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)06:05 No.16105103
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    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)06:06 No.16105108
    What are you doing.
    >> Why bump this shit? Darth Itachi !!tNeHYqhngQr 08/29/11(Mon)06:07 No.16105118
    While I deeply appreciate your support, please don't use that word, as it actually refers to gay men these days. The real term for guys like us is "FA." There's a lot of us all over the world, and there's an even popular event twice a week near where I live. Since I'm an average-sized white guy, most people think I'm really weird.

    Fight it? Shit. I EMBRACE it.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)06:07 No.16105119
    I know, but I was trying to make butthurt up there feel better. maybe he should bring lube next time he comes up here in our /tg/
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)06:08 No.16105129
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    what am I not doing
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)06:10 No.16105137
    It was an ambush, not a stand up fight.
    If the dm ambushes the party with a CR encounter of their level you can wipe the floor with them in a round or two, fighting in water comes to mind, If the party is ready and waiting with spells cast and an attack plan an equal or even somewhat higher CR should be fairly easy. An ancient dragon should not have been lured into a fight so easy.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)06:12 No.16105151
    the fuck are you goin' on about?
    >> Shady Negro !!jIcPNMSVBL3 08/29/11(Mon)06:16 No.16105170
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    Player insta-kills my carefully crafted boss, WAH.
    I see a DM that forgot one of the greatest rules. Don't ever assume the run of a fight, players will find a way around you. A good SR check for him, a bad Fort roll for you, and a disintegrate spell could have done the same thing. Would you ban spellcasters for it?
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    > ITT: Pic related
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:06 No.16106398
    Hah, I went to bed and it's still here. Tripfag may play high-and-mighty, but what he doesn't realize is it gets him closer to a ban. Y'know, how every thread he posts in degenerates into trolling?

    Anyone remember Jim_Profit?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:09 No.16106413
    Anyone who cares about the enjoyment of other places in their party does not fully optimise their character unless everyone is fully optimising their characters.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)10:34 No.16106551
    That is true. Which is why much hate for theoretical optimizers is undue, for they wouldn't actually play pun-pun in a game.
    >> mishna !!iLv+SfgicL9 08/29/11(Mon)11:10 No.16106607
    I posted
    To answer your second question, no clue who Jim was until I googled him a week or so ago. Not sure what the problem was, but then again I lurk 95% of the time and ignore anything that doesn't look interesting. I'm mostly here for the pictures and potential character/plot seeds for me to work with as a DM.

    To answer your first question, also a no, but I don't even notice someone's tripfaging until huge quantities of buttfrustrated pop up like this one. TBH, it looks to me like you just decided to troll Darth's ass hard and succeeded beyond your wildest dreams.

    Just because I can, I agree with >>16106551 and just want to add my own 2 cents while I'm at it. Build your PCs for fun. optimization/minmaxing/whateveryouwannacallit.tga is for MMOs, not the PnP session.
    >> hamtastic !!DseakrLqzEf 08/29/11(Mon)15:41 No.16107010
    Spellstrike doesn't let you make your attack as a touch attack. It shouldn't have been against touch AC.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/11(Mon)16:03 No.16107189
    He used an Arcane whatever, dude.

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