In the last thread someone came up with idea of the chapter in it's early days cleansing a planet in our system of a knornite incursion, it ended when Paul used the world feller to banish a greater daemon which resulted in the planet breaking about and Paul being entombed in a drednaught.

Would you like to use that?

We should probably call that a legend, and may be prone to exaggeration. Because damn, that's a bit much.

But as a legend that probably didn't actually happen like that, it's great.

I thought we were going anti-nurgle? Btw working on the 1d4chan page right now

Is my Emperor Tree that the supports the Marine trees, Fortress-Monastery tree, and Sanguinius Red Forest gone? It wasn't mentioned once that I saw in the second thread. If I'm the only one that supports it then I'll let it go, but I thought the only thing against it was if it was instead of the Red Forest or Dreadnought Tree.

>>15953294

I think Khorne works better, being the whole slash and burn Chaos faction.

>>15953294

This was just an idea someone brought up in the last thread, I believe it was posted before we had settled on our nurgle focus.

As for the planet breaking apart that is just a legend the only ones in the chapter who know the true tale are Paul and his routine of redwoods or whatever we want to call them.

>>15953294
hey, wiki-guy here, that was the fluff i came up with for world feller, and it was nurgle

>>15953325

Nurgle is a plague, and this includes many forms of insects that would heavily damage the ecosystem.


Also, are we officially called the Lumber Marines or do we have another name.

>>15953315
i think we are still running with that.

capthcha: poll orkyou
ok, now thats a sign

>>15953315

The Forest of Sanguinius and the emperor's tree are two different things, as for the fortress monastery I thought we decided it to be the tree of life which is Paul's own tree he planted when he founded the chapter.

>>15953358
LUMBER MARINES HO

>>15953365
yes, that

>>15953325
>>15953358

Like I said the khorne idea was brought up before we decided on nurgle, we are officially called the Lumbermarines.

Do we have librarians?

I have a neat idea that I think I can spin to include the Emperor's tree.

so, on paul bunyon, he stayed behind after sanguinus cried/bled at the sight of emp tree, he then tamed old blue in the intervening years until the chapter was formed. he planted his own tree in reverence to the emp/snaguinus before the founding?

>>15953400

Yes we do. We also keep a good friendship in the Astra Telepathica.
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Lumbermarines
>just started the work so far. Will be implementing fluff as I go slowly.

>>15953400
havent discussed them yet, but i can't really think of no reason not to.

>>15953411
i think you can copy/paste the world feller, old blue and any other stuff on the wiki, to save time. if you want i can write up the generic overall history, no detail int major events and so on, just the overview

>>15953411
>reading battlecries
>my random gurren laggan themed one made it
yussss

>>15953436

There were a ton of Gurren Lagann references. Hence the logarithmic spiral fluff remarks.

>>15953411

Ok here's my idea:

Malus is the genus of tree on which apples grow, an apple tree is the biblical tree of knowledge as librarians are usually the keepers of chapter lore and knowledge if I'm not mistaken this could be their symbol


The Lord of Malus is our chief librarian.
They do not rule a planet but instead have control of a vast apple orchard on our home planet; in the center of this orchid is a ancient towering apple tree this could be the Emperor's tree.

What do you guys think?

>>15953455
the seed form which the chapter was spread.
fits well brah, fits well. they could train the astropaths there aswell

1. Lord Gingko
2. Lord Cedar
3. Lord of the Pine Daniel Atkroyd (bear cavalry)
4. Lord Yew
5. Lord of the Oak Eru Ilúvatar (terminators)
6. Lord Araucaria
7. Lord Podocarpus
8. Lord Beech
9. Lord Birch
10. Lord Dogwood
11. Lord Maple
12. Lord Willow
13. Lord Cypress (new recruits/skyclaws area, possibly referred to as the "Saplings")
14. Deforested (those who do not live on forested planets)

And we have Lord Redwood (Paul Bunyan) with his companion Old Blue.

>>15953455

Your choice. If you want to continue with Malus and others support this. I am down to include it. If not, there are tons of options available.

>>15953361

Sweet, okay. Really fucking weird, I know, but I liked the imagery and Christian symbolism. The Emperor's tree, symbolic of God (to clarify, since someone made a deal about it in the first thread, the Lumbermarines do not worship the Emperor as a deity. They are like all other Chapters in this regard, we're just using Christian symbology as source material), in that it is all-encompassing and ever there. Sanguinius, as Jesus, would have the Red Forest as representative of his sacrifices for his children. The rest of the trees are planted by Marines themselves, with each tree representing a battle-brother. When that battle-brother dies, his tree is cut down for the funeral pyre. Ancient Chapter Masters who have become Dreadnoughts still living have the most massive trees around. The first Chapter Master and Founding Father, based off of Paul Bunyun, has the largest tree of all other Marine Trees. So large, in fact, that it houses the Fortress Monastery.

To expand on this, I was wondering if we could have it that when a Battle-Brother is made into a Chapter Master, his tree is supplanted and replanted into the Chapter Master Forest, with the first and greatest being in the exact center. In this way, while the bulk of the Fortress-Monastery resides within and without Bunyun's great tree, each new tree added in the vicinity includes an addition to the Fortress Monastery itself. While his tree is still the heart, the great forest itself is also part of the fortress-Monastery.

What do you guys think?

>>15953477

If you have no objection I think Malus is a perfect fit, the general idea is based around librarians being keepers of knowledge and the apple tree being a symbol of that knowledge plus it sound better than lord of the apple.

BTW, who wants to make the banner.

>>15953491
each planted in an evergrowing spiral centered around the fortress monastery. gotta keep them spirals going. also, should the dreads wander the hallowed grounds of sanguinus' red forest? a place no marine can tread unless the circumstances are truly dire?

>>15953528
i have a friend who could do that, ill just wait for him to come online. we're sticking with blue background, red world tree, blue woodsmans axe right?

>>15953515

Of course I am fine with it. This isn't my project alone. Others contribute. Its simply a group project, that I am simply helping along. If you want to put forward awesome fluff, and it fits, all is good. If it doesn't fit with the pre-existing fluff, we can, as a group find a way for it. And if there is no possible way to fix it. Then we can be polite about it. No need to revert to insults or petty infighting.

>>15953539
Seems like a good idea, though I think that instead of a normal axe, we need it to be some kind of epic Axe.

>>15953539

Would you like me to post the originals?

>>15953539

Would it too much too ask if you could draw up standards for each of the lords?

>>15953556
would be much appreciated
>>15953558
naturally. it could even be World-Feller, giving us a chance to visualise the legend

Let's talk about the colors of the Chapter. Picture related was my attempts to come up with the Lumbermarine scheme. Far as I know it's still accepted. I feel we need reasons for the color beyond Lumberjackness

Red Upper Body: In honor of the Bloody Angel himself, Sanguinius, and the Red Forest we keep.
Black Trim: Representative of our loss and sorrow in the death of our revered Primarch.
Blue Lower Body: Blue is the personal heraldry of our Founding Father and his ancient companion. He is the foundation we were built upon.
Brown Boots: Representative of the earth we tread, bleed and die to protect.


To expand on Brown Boots and our love of the land and the trees, I was wondering if we could have a Iron Snakes tradition. In Abnett's novel, the Marines would store upon their person a vial of their homeworld's sea water, as a sort of lucky totem.
The Lumbermarines should have a similar tradition. Before leaving his homeworld, a battle-brother travels to his sacred tree for a personal oath of moment, sanctified by taking a sample of soil and tree (twig, leaf?).

>>15953566
maybe just a bit. especially considering we havent even halfway finalised them yet

>>15953558
Hold on, I got them here.

>>15953584
syrup, and dont forget the white collar

>>15953584
I'm thinking that we could have them take a seed with them.

>>15953584

So far are only tradition are the taming of a a cub every initiate has to do.

Upon being excepted into the lumbermarines each battle brother plants a tree when he falls in battle the tree is cut down using his own axe and then used for the funeral pryer and their axe put on display in the great hall of the monastery.

>>15953612
we have a gap in the fluff, how is a warrior awarded his axe?

You guys asked for some Canadiana last thread. Repostan what I got.

- Marines live in Subsector Taiga
- PDF wear red RCMP uniforms
- Bears feed on giant deathworld sized shark-salmon. During spawning season they leap up waterfalls and eat anything that gets too close. Most adults are bigger than Orca whales.
- As on Earth, lumberjacking is statistically the second most dangerous industry to work in. The #1 spot, of course, goes to crab fishing. Salmon only have orange meat because they eat shellfish....
- Not greenpeace marines, but industry and nature are kept separate. Factories and such are constructed in/on barren mountains, away from and above the forests.
- Human population lives in trees. In houses built on the sides, or with the truly huge trees, tunneled into the living wood.
- There are raccoons. Although cute, they are also very smart and tend to troll unwary humans.
- Native humans are not "feral" but because of the lack of farmland they are almost all hunter gatherers. Fish and game are not only plentiful, but outnumber humans by a huge margin and pose a threat if they are not kept away from settlements.

>>15953621

That hasen't really been disscussed, but I imagine that more renown = bigger badder ax

- Wild bears are pretty bro and lazy. If a normal human threatens one, the bear will basically stare at him for a while and go "seriously man? seriously?". However if you push one too far, threaten a cub, steal their food, or claim dominance they will flip their shit and go berserk like you would expect.
- The "feral" part of feral world refers more to the local flaura and fauna of Sylvanus than the people who live there. Far from being something to preserve, the forest is the enemy. A dark and scary place full of dangerous animals. While trees are felled for fuel and building materials, most are cut simply to keep the forest from overrunning human settlements.
- Sylvanus is almost completely green except for the poles which are icy and barren. Humans live all over the planet, but the more industrial cities are all located on broad plateaus of rock that rise above the forest. The one exception is the planet's central starport which occupies its own island.

>>15953589
Oh that's why it kept telling me it was a duplicate. Thanks for beating me to the punch.

>>15953606
I freaking love this idea. This way, upon a victory and a reclaimed world, that seed could be planted. Sort of like their way of telling the population that for as long as these trees stand and prosper, we will always be here to protect you. For every conquered world, a forest in its honor. Fuck yes.

>>15953596
The white collar was accepted? I thought people were asking me to leave it like how I just posted it. I deleted it, but it was still in my Recycle Bin, so here it is.

>>15953647
Sylvanus is almost completely green

Maybe we should have the Forest in which the chapter resided in to be crimson red, You know, being Saiguinis's forest and all.

>>15953640
So it goes Chainaxe>Power Axe>Master Crafted Axes>Axe of Ultramar type Axe>Unique Axes?

>>15953640
dont forget beards

>>15953666
then world feller. that thing is off the chain

>>15953589
See, I like the idea.

Red background, a white tree with impossible long roots and branches, but the Axe man, the Axe needs to be change. Either its a really epic two sided axe which resides inside the tree or it could be Two Axes which are placed outside the tree, and maybe even outside the background, and stand over it, protecting it, guarding it. BTW in both version, I would like the Axes to have a sort of organic feel to them

>>15953665

Th Forest of Sanguinius, is sacred ground.
lumbermarines only go there on pilgrimages to see the great Sanguine tree at it's center.

The Librarians can reside in their apple orchird, the apothecaries I was thinking about having them watch over the maple forests where they produce and bless are chapter's sacred syrup.

Other marines such as the chaptermaster and his Sequoias of Sanguinius reside in the fortress monastery.

>>15953715
well, we could rework world-feller's fluff so that it is of Sylvanus, and as such is very organic, yet at the same time immense and powerful. i guess blue bg, white tree, and red axe would work

>>15953666

Each lord is given a unique two-handed double-bladed axe each one modeled after the world feller of course their power is only a small fraction when compared to the sacred relic.

>>15953724
with the dreads wandering the sacred red forest as custodians? their bear brothers(if they are alive) walking alongside them, old friends devoted to each other till the end

>>15953766

Well the original idea was that the dreds are all with Paul who is encased at the base of the tree of life, and the bears go to the great garden where they are watch over by old blue. But we cab work out a better idea if you guys wish.

Also I what about giving us the special option to bring maple spewer since flamers are pretty much out.

>>15953724
Hmm, since the syrup is produced by the Librarians, maybe the syrup could have some kind special effect. Like it dulls pain or make a brother feel rejuvenated or maybe, and this is a big maybe, even gave the syrup the ability to fend of the bloodlust longer.

>>15953650
Okay, so they carry one seed on them in order to plant them later in the fields of battle. Maybe they should also carry a sacred container of syrup, in this case the syrup wouldbe use to represent and honor the blood of their planet, their people, their chapter and brothers and their Primarch which they'd pour on the seed.

We have the ancient Dread chapter masters wandering the Red Forest of Sanguinius, along with the Founding Father.

But do we ever field them in battle? I like the idea of the current Chapter Master, or the commanding Captain of the petitioning force, going inside on a pilgrimage to find an old Tree Father and request their aid. Some writefag about such a journey, finding an ancient Dread standing as motionless as the great trees surrounding it, would be awesome.

>>15953794
works similar to carbonite? that could work, freezing enemies on the spot, entombing them forever in sweet, sticky goodness

>>15953805

We already joked about it being our equivalent of the Wolf Tail Talisman, and the Dark Eldar try to steal it for psychic defenses.

>>15953812

We also talked about that too, in that they only awaken the ancients in the most dire circumstances.

>>15953815

Well for us it has healing properties and augments the psychic protection of our bloodline, I 'd imagine it's purifying effects could prove harmful to the enemies of man.

>>15953830
and if you field paul, you can take a retinue of ven dreads, representing his brethren.

Continuation of
>>15953805
Of course, if the syrup can really quench the Red Thirst then consquencely the Lumbermarines would be really fricking addicted and dependant of the syrup. Which makes the Forest all that more important and since they overstrenght they could always be on the verge of running into a shortage of syrups, that would also explain why they don't share the syrup with the other Blood Angel Sucessors, they can barely feed themselves and if a Lumber doesn't periodicaly drink some syrup then they fall to a even worst Thirst and Rage than normal BA chapters. This would also be the chapters greatest secret.

>>15953855

I don't think it would be practical to bring a whole routine of venerable dreadnaughts

>>15953868

The syrup does not prevent the black rage we have death company marines (whicker men)

The syrup only acts like a wolf's talisman and maybe as some sort of healing solvent.

>>15953830

So then it would only be the Chapter Master who makes the pilgrimage, who only makes such a journey when one of our core worlds is threatened with destruction.

When fielded, their very presence turns a certain defeat into impossible victory.

We should have a single time where the original Founding Father, in his Contemptor-class Dread, is called upon to defend their homeworld of Sylvanus from a concerted Dark Eldar invasion, or a Chaos force led by the vengeance-seeking Daemon Prince. When the forces of disorder push to the very base of the Emperor Tree far below the Chapter grounds, Lord Redwood and Ol' Blue march forth for the first time in millennia, wielding the World Feller. Together they would cleave through the enemy forces to duel the leader in an epic clash that saw the enemy dead and its army in disarray and retreating. The Dreadnought then marches back into his woods, stopping only to return World Feller to a speechless Chapter Master.

He never says a word. He arrives, he protects, and then he returns. He doesn't need words, because his actions speak for him far more eloquently. And his actions say only one thing: He is a man.

>>15953885

How about tyranids threatening to devour the whole sector?

>>15953873

Its only 185 points for a Venerable Rifleman. That is if you do not include extra armor/saga of the majesty/wolf tail talisman etc. 175 for Heavy Flamer/Multi-melta. Feasibly, given the points cost, you could field them. But the 125 Rifleman Dread is more likely. And that is just in game.

In fluff, I would see them in only the most dire circumstance, such as the attack on their homeworld/fortress monastery.

>>15953895

Ehhh. I think we should keep it to the already determined Chapter Enemies. Yeah, they'll probably end up fighting every other enemy of Mankind, but the Dark Eldar and Nurglites are especially hated by the Lumbermarines. Just the kind of enemies to set up an invasion with.

>>15953880
my idea is really more focused on the Red Thirst than the Blakc Rage and like I said because they're overstrenght and because as times goes on a marine needs to injest even more syrup to stay sane there are bound to be time, like during an extended campaign or crusade where a Lumber would not be able to have his fix and would thus succumbe heavily to the Red thirst.

>>15953906

Then how about a major nurgle invasion of the sector it could tie in with current chapter slaying a greater daemon of nurgle using world feller and how her became chaptermaster.

>>15953916
lest we forget where the title of cleaver was derived from. killing daemon princes of nurgle is seen as the greatest deed one can do for the chapter

>>15953916
anything that large would threaten not just the chapter, but the sacred forest, all the dreads would feel obliged to protect their world, sort of like a legion of the dead

Same guy as
>>15953909
It would also explain why the Chapter prefer close combat and Drop Tactics, because they're racing against time, time until their syrup supplies run out. So they fight up close and personal because dying while their still sane is prefered and drop tactics because when use correctly its the fastest way to take a planet.

>>15953942
that and landing battle barges is bad for a planets enviroment.

>>15953941
>>15953933
>>15953916

Perhaps a sudden warpstorm in the nearest system to their homeworld allows a large Nurgle fleet to slip in so quickly that it takes the entire Chapter unawares. It would explain the dire threat and make it understandable why only a single force was even able to reach their homeworld. Due to actions elsewhere, the defense of their homeworld was severely undermanned, which is why the Death Guard/Plague Marines/Daemon Army was able to invade and reach the Emperor Tree holding up the Chapter.

Lord Redwood is the only Dreadnought who marched on the enemy because the rest of his retinue knew that if he was marching to war, then they would not be needed.

>>15953948
Touché

>>15953967

Well on the homeworld are the chapter librarians, apothecaries, the Sequia's of Sanguinius the chaptermaster, Lord redwood and his routine, and maybe some whicker men if we can fluff a reason why they be there.

Oh, BTW someone better sage this

>>15953999

Well, yes, all those who would normally remain on the homeworld would be there, I'm just suggesting an attack upon the homeworld where they were simply not enough. Maybe they would have won eventually, but the enemy would have gained entrance to their very grounds had it not been for Lord Redwood.

umm, is someone gonna put this all up on 1d4chan?

>>15954073

I believe Op was doing that.

>>15954067
defender of the red garden

>>15954099

I am, bits and pieces, but I'm gaming a bit right now until my tylenol takes effect so my writing isn't shitty.

>>15954067

Ok, how about Paul and his routine along with the Sequoias of Sanguinius, a few librarians and apothecaries with support from the whickermen held off the main force while Joseph and Smokey battled the daemon prince.

>>15954118
fair enough

>>15954073

Weren't you, Mr. Wiki-Guy?

Well hell, if no one is updating 1d4chan with this, then somebody better archive it.

>>15954126
joseph, wielding world feler? you do forget that this destroyed a planet...

>>15954133

See:

>>15954118

You'll get work soon enough, and I'll try not to make it shit.

>>15954135

Current Chapter Master is wielding the World Feller, yes. Most, if not all, Chapter Masters did.

>>15954154

Nevermind, went back to doublecheck.

Not 'most, if not all.' Only a few have the strength to wield the World Feller. However, Joseph is one of those few.

>>15954135

Destroying a planet is just a legend.

As for the whicker men being on the homeworld; how about those who survive their battle are released into the Forest of Sanguinius to act as it's gaurdians/

Sanguinius is telling us something....

>>15954164
>>15954154

And only one person brought up the idea that it the World Feller literally shattered a world in the last thread. It was brought up in this one, but frankly, that's an additional piece of fluff we should not implement as being actual truth. It is simply the end-all, be-all of Chapter weapons. Like the Gauntlets of Ultramar for the Ultramarines, or Leman Russ' Frostmourne, or the Talon of Horus.

>>15953315
Fortress Monastree?

>>15954167

Maybe the nearness to the sacred soil and trees of Sanguinius helps to calm them down. They still require Chaplains to shepherd and care for them, but they are less prone to ALWAYS ANGRY everything. That could be why its sap is cultivated, as an aid to delay the curse. So, when not being sent into a combat zone, the Wicker Men are kept within the Sanguinary Forest.

>>15954219

Forest Monastree?

>>15954235
werent we using the old ven dreads as custodians, seeing as theyve earned their place

>>15954219
i died a little inside when i read that

>>15954241

I actually said that as a joke, but it has a kind of nice french sound to it. Maybe that could be the name of our Fortress-Monastery, the glade or grove of Dreadnought trees, the Monastree Forest

>>15954235
This would also fit with my Syrup fluff.

>>15954235
>>15954235

So The wicker men are kept in the forest act as it's guardians chapter chaplains surround the forest edges keeping vigilance of them they shall be known as "The Garden Keepers"

>>15954243

We're far from done with the fluff. If a new idea is better, it'll replace the old.

That said, I think the old is better than this new one.

Perhaps, like the Chapter Master turned Dreadnought trees, the Wickermen trees could also be uprooted and replanted elsewhere.

>>15954273
used to fuel an eternal fire at the heart of the sanguine forest?

>>15954282

An eternal funeral pyre for Sanguinius himself. This way we can have the Wickermen fluffed as being dead in more ways than the Dreadnoughts themselves. The idea of giving in to their curse is more appalling to the Lumbermarines then it is to the Blood Angels and other successor Chapters. You might as well be dead. The Wickermen ARE dead in the eyes of the Chapter.

>>15954273

The dreadnaughts are at the base of the tree of life under our fortress.

Wcker men tree should turn petrified and barren.
As for moving them maybe what should we call this forest?

>>15954304
See: >>15954303 for what we should do with the Wickermen trees. I agree about how they should change, though. That's a nice touch.

>>15954304
so wait, are paulus and old blues hanging in their respective forest, chilling together in the sanguine forest, or under the fortress, and besides, we agreed that all chapter masters who turn into dreads have their trees transplanted into a logarytmic spiral that starts at the base of the fortress, making it turbaconepic.

>>15954303
This, by the Emperor this is WIN

Captca say : Hereo Jacquerez

Well, we now need a hero named Jacquerez

>>15954339

Dreads are in Sanguine Forest. Dread Trees are the Fortress-Monastery. I have no idea on the shape, must be part of something I skimmed.

>>15954330

When a brother succumbs to black rage the tree turns barren and petrified it is then cut down and added to the eternal pryer.

>>15954339
It was agreed in the original thread that has become part of the tree of life and it makes sense his routine would join him as sort of an eternal counsel of advisers to the current chaptermaster

>>15954355

Does have a nice french sound to it, he can be the Master of Sanctity, the head Chaplain, and commanding officer of the Wicker Men.

His title should have something to do with the pyre, like "Keeper of the Flame" or something.

>>15954355

Fair enough.

Alexandre Jacquerez shall be lord of the podocarpus.

>>15954383

Normally I overlook bad grammar and such, since for all I know you might not even speak English as your first language.

But for the love of god, it's retinue, not routine.

>>15954394
YES

>>15954403

>it's retinue, not routine.
Blame spell check

>>15954394
>>15954394

How is this:

Our chaplains are the order of the eternal pryer.

As such Jacob Jacquerez head chaplain is given the titles Lord of the Eternal Pryer and Equitatus of the whicker men.

>>15954443

So now we have a Ulrik the Slayer.

>>15954443

Spell check only checks to see if a word is spelled correctly, not if it's used correctly. A routine is a standard procedure, typically habitual and ordinary.

Anyway, I like Keeper better than Lord, since a Lord for the Lumbermarines is already used for captains. The Keeper could be the head Chaplain title. We would need one for Librarians and . . . is there a ranking system for Apothecaries?

>>15954513
soooo, keeper of the eternal pyre, equitas of the wicker

>>15954607
EPIC WIN

Also, did we ever thought of a name for our Daemon Prince Nemesis

>>15954513

Head librarian:
>>15953455

How about renaming him "The Guardian of the Malus"

>>15954607

"Roman Cavalry Ranks
The following list indicates a general chain of command and various titles within the cavalry:
Praefectus Alae or Praefectus Equitum: Cavalry commander, could be either Roman or a non-Roman.
Decurion: Commanded a single turmae.
Duplicarius: Second in command to the Decurion.
Sesquiplicarius: Third in command to the Decurion.
Eques or Eques Alaris: A cavalryman or auxiliary cavalryman.

The cavalry also maintained several positions of the infantry like the principales.

Some other titles in no particular order:
Centurio Exercitator: Cavalry training officer.
Eques Speculator: A mounted scout.
Eques Stablesianus: Cavalry stablehand.
Eques Sapsarius: Mounted medical personnel. "

So, the highest commanding officer, this Chaplain and Keeper of the Eternal Pyre, should hold the rank of Praefectus Equitum rather than Equitatus, because that just means 'cavalry'

>>15954623

All we have so far is he was first banished by our founder the battle resulting in him being entombed in a dreadnaught, and he has invaded our sector once before but again was banished by our current chaptermaster.

>>15954631

Forgot about that. Yeah, Guardian works.

>>15954645
The great gurgler
plague sweller of Malachor V
The Decayer of Syrup
Blightskin
Tumourtour the Great Blob

just throwing ideas out there

>>15954645

Aw, shit, forgot that our current Chapter Master slew the Daemon Prince.

So, maybe, when they got invaded and Lord Redwood had to climb down to save everyone's asses, it was Joseph Montferrond (I think) himself who actually slew the Daemon Prince. Maybe the Daemon was winning, and Lord Redwood had dropped the axe. Joseph picked it up and with a heavy blow, broke its back.

And that's how he came to be in possession of it in the first place. Lord Redwood would see the Chapter Master as worthy of it, and allow him its use.

>>15954640
thing is, we have a cavalry. and the chaplain is inchrage of mindless berserkers

>>15954677
PERFECT

>>15954640

Fair enough, someone should change the pages for Akroyd and Eru to reflect their proper rank

,>>15954650
How about calling our head authoritarian "The Master of the Maple"

>>15954674

Blight yes, the rest no.

Hmm. not sure where to take it, though.

>>15954677

The only problem with that is world feller is hand down to each chaptermaster with only a few being able to wield it in battle.

>>15954674
Ouh, ouh

How about the name : Evergreen the All Corrupting Swarm

>>15954674

How does Isoptera the decayer sound?

>>15954721
so when the invasion occurred, redwood grabbed it off the mantle and started to use it, nd we can keep the planet shatter fluff, i said they sealed it at the end of that bit

>>15954686

Then why was the title "Cavalry" being proposed for him?

Sorry, a lot of the stuff for this chapter is muddled in my head, as I was around for the first thread but not the second. Saw the cavalry title and went with it. If there is an actual cavalry force (God damn it, BEAR CAVALRY! How did I not realize that?) then that ranking system should be for them and not the Chaplain.

>>15954735
Should we also install guns, rockets and cannons on the Bears.

>>15954735
dunno, someone tagged it on cause it sounded cool? anyway, we have a lord oak? or was it something else? anyway he has his own little broup of guys who train in a wild tundra planet and shit. literal bear cavalry.

>>15954731

That is perfect although keep in mind the planet shattering is a great exaggeration you know being a legend.

>>15954748

Yes we have a lord of oak he is in charge of our terminators.

He's in the second thread.

>>15954745
nay. no guns, or if there are, they are small. this is a group that hates ranged combat. the only guys are some alaskan huntery guys we sorta fluffed out last thread

So for now, we have 3 contenders for the Daemon Prince :
Blightskin
Isoptera the decayer
Evergreen the All Corrupting Swarm

Begin voting

>>15954761
How about adamantium chainsaw teeth and claws

http://www.treehelp.com/trees/trees-diseases-anthracnose.asp

Since many of the Nurgle daemons have disease related names, and that's a fungal contamination that threatens trees: Anthrak-Noze the Blighter, or some other version of this or another disease's name.

>>15954765
i like evergreen, but maybe with a more pox/nurgle style front bit, like evergangue or something i dunno, but yeah that or blightskin

>>15954771

They already have Lightning Claws and other bionic enhancements.

>>15954771
they have lightning claws on their front legs

>>15954765

Uhh, none of the above? We need better names that those.

>>15954779

They have lightning claws.

Smokey has bionic due to injuries sustained in battle with the nurgle invaders.

>>15954774

Anthrak Blightskin?

>>15954794

Which would imply that others do as well, unless Smokey is the only companion bear worth saving or fixing.

>>15954785

Fusar the Wilter

>>15954799
smokey is the only one ballsy enough to take on a daemon prince, besides maybe old blue, but ha's as big as a land raider

>>15954799

Of course those that need it get replacements, I just didn't want people getting confused and thinking the bears were cyborgs.

>>15954811

Which implies extensive bionic repair and augmentation. But it stands to reason that others would have some to an extent as well. Especially the companions of high-ranking Astartes. They participate in battle just like any other Astartes, so it stands to reason that they can be injured and repaired like any other. But the more revered and ancient you are, the better made and capable your bionics. So Smokey would have artificer-level enhancements, while others may only have bionic replacements.

>>15954819
Though it would be pretty awesome, just not really something that the Lumbers like to do.

>>15954819

Only to the extent that almost EVERYTHING Imperium-related has some sort of bionic attachment/replacement.

But yeah, I understand that you want to clarify the difference between a bear with bionics and a cyborg. For the Lumbermarines especially, such things would only be handed out as a necessity. If you can live without it, you live without it.

>>15954827

Imagine the bionic of the more ancient and renown one being cover in ornate wood finishes.

Smokey's left arm for exampled having a crimson red oak finish polished to the finest luster; the wood coming from the sacred forest

GUYS, GUYS. JUST HOLD ON GUYS, OKAY? READY
WHAT IF GUYS
WHAT IF
WE PUT
OKAY GUYS?
WHAT IF WE PUT
A BEAR
IN A DREADNOUGHT

>>15954794

I thought Smokey had suffered his injuries from being burned by the Dark Eldar, hence his hatred of all things fiery.

>>15954860

BEARNOUGHT

>>15954851
also, if follow old = bigger, then old blue isnt that bionic, he's probably just healed over time, and as OP posted in that passage, his muscles are as hard as adamantium

>>15954860
Well, if it works, it would be THE MOST AWESOME THING IN THE HISTORY OF AWESOME THINGS

>>15954860
I'm Anonymous, and I think this is the best idea ever.

>>15954881
That was both funny and painful, I hate you and I love you for that.

>>15954895
special unit type

>>15954882

Old=bigger says nothing about his regenerative abilities. Ol' Blue should have some sort of bionic representation, he just doesn't need bionic weapons anymore, like the Lightning Claws.

>>15954910
bear i bigger than land raiders, give it another 3000 years, and hell be the size of a super heavy

>>15954908
I suppose it would be a Beary special Unit, but are you sure that we can Bear the awesomness of this Unit.

>>15954917

WARHAMMER 50K
LUMBERMARINES BATTLECRUISER
OL' BLUE

>>15954922
Bearsonally, I'm not sure we cub.

>>15954895

It was pretty painful to write, too.

>>15954922
i know, the awesomeness is unbearable isnt it, its really all been laid bear on the table

Here's another idea for a drawing:

A lumbermarine reading a Berenstain Bears book to a group of children.

>>15954931

BEARCRUISER


...Surprisingly easier than Bearnought. Need to stop writing Bearnought.

STOP IT!

>>15954959
bearnoughts. oh lawd the sheer amazingness of their combat effectiveness. not only do you have bears charging your line, you have giant robot bears with massive claws rudhing at your now exposed rear end

>>15954957
I know, its been laid before us like a delicious Beary pie
>>15954955
Or, a picture of a Lumber bearing a Daemon with his Bear hands and while his Beard hits another daemon in the cub.

>>15954993
Or I should say 'Laid Bearfore us'

I think bearnaughts though a neat and fun idea are little too out there.

Considering that we only entomb chaptermasters and aren't too fond of technology beyond what is necessary.

Prepare for a 2 part post:

I'd vote no. Bears are not centric to the original 2 threads. Yes we care for them, yes we raise them, yes we view them as symbolic companions, but thats a bit far. At the end of the day, they are bears, awesome bears yes, but simply bears. They are not direct descendants of the Emperor's will. They are not of the Sanguine bloodline. I would understand a burial, perhaps with a ceremony, maybe even cremation with their Marine if they fall together, but bear dreadnoughts, are just retarded. We don't need bear in everything. Same as we don't need Maple syrup in everything. A reference once or twice, yes that is fine. It adds character, but making it the be-all end-all ends up driving the chapter down a road that I feel does not emphasize its potential. For example:

The Emperor's Nightmares, are a good example of a serious chapter. They have well written fluff, and do not dwell solely on one aspect. Instead their fluff meshes together to form a well-rounded character or feel.

>>15955006


The Angry Marines are on the opposite side of the spectrum. Their fluff, while awesome, is blatantly retarded. But once, you understand they are a comedic chapter rather then a serious one, it makes sense. Their character is cut down to embody a singular concept and they do this well.

We are at a border. We have chopped off our branches that would lead to seriousness favoring some humor. Yet we are not full humor either. This is supported by our many Judeo-Christian and historical references. While we may joke about maple syrup or beards, we do give off a level of distinction that marks us as formal. An example of similarity to us would be the Guardians Exemplar, or as others know them, the Nazi/Eugenics Marines. They are, at the end, a lighthearted parodic jab at the writing of Matt Ward, focusing on the one thing he holds dear. The geneseed of Roboute Guilliman. Yet at the same time, they possess a level of sobriety that gives them character, in the form of their Sumerian or Biblical fluff (see their story of the Tower of Babel).

What I am saying is, it is in my opinion, that we should tone down the level of this, so as not to become like the Space Wolves, a chapter that is trying to be taken seriously, with fluff that is outright ridiculous. It would be better to maintain jokes yes, but not focus on one aspect repeatedly. We have enough symbolism in Wickermen, and trees. Bears do not need to creep into every orifice as well. Have them a part of our fluff yes. But limit how far we take it. We don't need bullshit like bears interred in dreadnoughts or bearclaws or bear tooth talismans etc.

Wait... have we talked about caber tossing at ALL yet?

Seems like a good way to resolve personal disputes. And lumberjacking games would obviously be part of any feast/games ceremonies the chapter has.

>>15955011
sorry, got a bit carried away. anywho...

>>15955002
I do wonder what do the Bearnought Chaptermasters do in their sbear time. I'd imagine them having a Beer, with their bear buddies, using their Beards to help them, they would use their Bear hands, but well...

>>15955006

Yes the only bears that go into battle regularly are the ursus cavalier under the lord of pine.

Old blue is also just a legend.

>>15955033
i think we already went over this stuff on old blue. hes not a useable unit, but he is there, a stoic defender and so on. anyway, moving o from bears

We are beginning to degenerate into the silly, and it's safe to say we might not be able to add anything else productive on this thread.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/15953005/

>>15955043

We just simply need to refocus now that we've had some fun, we are still in the process of naming our daemon prince adversary.

My suggestion again: Fusar the Wilter

>>15955043

Stupid internet connection. Make me wait 10 minutes before letting that post get through AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.

Anyways, since the OP said in two long posts what I was failing to even send in my post, I guess it was unnecessary.

>>15955011
So, I suppose that means that my Syrup idea

>>15953805
>>15953868
>>15953868
>>15953942
>>15953909
Is not gonna work

>>15955070
works. i second it

>>15955077

The one post about Chaplains taking the sap as a possible delaying tactic can be used, but literal maple syrup no.

>>15955070
Anthrak Blightskin

>>15955077

Not to try and get you down, but the original idea was for it to simply act like the wolf talisman.

>>15955091
oooh, sounds good. damn. both work

>>15955070
Don't you mean the Winter
Personally I like Everplague The Corrupting Swarm

>>15955091

I still think we should give thought to some kind of sap spewer for a special wepeon

>>15955029
Power cabers.

I know it sounds ridiculous at first but think about it.

They wouldn't need to carry a charge as long as normal power weapons so their excessive size isn't such a concern.

Like in a power fist or crozius arcanum a power field can be adjusted to cover odd shapes easily enough. The power field would allow a caber to be every bit the charge-stopping horror it used to be in the 41st millennium as well. Even terminators would be flattened as thick trees with short-life power field generators attached to them came crashing through their torsos without slowing.

Since close combat is tactically viable in 40k, charge-breaking very much is as well, and carrying some of these around to bring up as a counter-charge unit would be no big deal for a group of Astartes.

>>15955107

Pretty sure he meant wilter, since it fits both with Nurgle and our theme.

>>15955097
Oh well, tis life, I still have Jacquerez the Keeper of the eternal pyre and Equitas of the WWicker to be proud of.

Captcha : Messiaen,
oh come on, seriously

>>15955097

Personally, I liked the seed idea as the talisman best. Works great with fluff, having each Marine carrying a seed from their tree as a remembrance of their home and focus for their rituals and oaths. Plus, a victory forest is planted using these very seeds after each successful planetary reclamation.

>>15955137

It won't be Equitas.

>>15955143
Just so you know, the carying around a seed was my idea, but the one about them planting them in victory was someone else's

>>15955143
The seed and syrup provide two different things

>>15955137
wicker men

>>15955119
What does wilter even mean

>>15955177

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_disease

>>15955155

Does it matter who came up with what idea? This is a communal effort. Not even OP has a commanding role in what goes or doesn't.

>>15955177

Presumably, someone or something that wilts plants . . .

>>15955011
>>15955006

Bear-noughts is of course a little too much given the revered nature of the technology but what about bear combat servitors? Animals get cybernetics all the time.

Not JUST bear combat servitors though since that's a little too "bear riding a bear with a gun that shoots bears" Other animals as well. Librarians with psyber eagles, mountain lions with implanted cogitators used for scouting and so on.

>>15955070
Oh, okay I see
>>15955186
Supporting this then.
>>15955187
Yeah, you're right it doesn't matter.

>>15955198

No. I for one am completely against that.

Bears should be the only ones used, and any cybernetic usage should be restricted to repairing or replacing injured parts.

>>15955198

As stated before combat bears belong exclusively to the ursus Cavalier.

>thread has lost allmost all productivity
>sorry guys, see you tomorrow

>feel bad for OP who has spent so much time and effort keeping our kindergarten class in line

>>15955207
>>15955212
What about other animals though? I mean why not?

Psyber eagles are pretty popular.

>>15955232

One animal companion is enough.

We don't want to go crazy with animals

>>15955219
Well, we didn't lose all of it. I mean we finally have a name for the Daemon Prince.

>>15955232

By adding more animals we cheapen the importance of any one. There are other animals on the planets of course, but to the Lumbermarines the apex predators, the bears, are the only ones of worth to them.

>Daemon Prince name
>Fusar
Ehhhh
>The Wilter
Hmmm
>Anthrak
Hmmm
>The Blighter
Ehhhh


GUYS GUYS GUYS
Anthrak the Wilter

>>15955249
By the same token, "X is the only animal companion any of them ever have" is somewhat rigid too. Not problematically so, but hey even Space Wolves use psyber ravens or whatever.

>>15955265

And just now realized that both were the parts of the names taken from a plant-related disease, so doubly Nurgle!

This has my vote.

>>15955265
>Eh
>Hm
Kill yourself twice for each time you use either of these

>>15955265
Yeah, yeah that's good

>>15955269

Psyber animals are the domain of Librarians, are they not?


Psyber Owls.
There.
NO MORE.

>>15955198
>>15955207

Fenrisian Wolf Packs and Iron Priests have Cyberwolves, so yes, it would make sense that sometimes I bear is injured and given cybernetic replacements.

We also have the Chooser of the Slain to fluff up.

>>15955143
>>15955176
>>15955155

The seed concept is one that fits well fluff related in my opinion. They make a better suit then maple syrup trinkets, and they provide the concept of readily dispatching trees on planets that have been liberated.

>>15955176
>>15955137

The concept of Wicker Men being seen as degenerate or dead in a sense, follows Blood Angels fluff, and your idea of a funeral pyre follows the historical excerpts of the usage of the wicker men in Celtic society as seen from outside sources. I like this concept a lot. However our naming scheme follows the pattern of Lords of (Insert Tree Here). We could refluff one and call him Lord Ash in regards to his realm, for Ash is technically a tree (Fraxinus) and fits with the concept of cremation.

>>15955077

I have yet to read your idea on syrup, sorry. From my point of view things were simply getting too silly, no offense was meant.

>>15955265

How about both

Anthrak Fusar the Wilter or
Fusar Anthrak the Wilter

>>15955280

I needed an excuse to use this pillow.

Also, unfortunately, I thought of Kaepora Gaebora from Legend of Zelda.

>>15955265
>>15955249
not animal companion. Servitor. No one would care about it. It's just a tool. Like a servo skull. Like how mining operations give their horses the servitor treatment for obedience.

>>call him Lord Ash in regards to his realm, for Ash is technically a tree (Fraxinus) and fits with the concept of cremation.

I don't know, I mean I really like the name Keeper, so maybe the Keeper of Ash

>>15955295

By pillow I meant image. Fuck I am out of it, good thing I haven't uploaded anything yet.

>>15955307

I am completely fine with that too.

>>I have yet to read your idea on syrup
I linked all of them here >>15955077, so could you check it out, because I was being completely serious when I wrote it.

>>15955298

That again is a problem lumbermarines respect the bears as the apex predator turning one into a servitor would be a grave insult

>>15955282

I'm in favor of changing the title to Keeper of the Ash; but I say we still call our chaplains the order of the eternal pryer.

>>15955343

Honestly, I don't see that working. You can't cure the Red Thirst or the Black Rage. However, I could understand it working as a depressant or sedative. Something that relaxes them, which they may, or may not mistakenly account to as the cause of their low outbreaks of the Red Thirst/Black Rage. That being said, this low "outbreak" might simply be due to the spreading of their forces. Imperial allies might not always see the outbreaks and this could also be reason for speculation. In the end, they do feel the Red Thirst, and the Black Rage like any other successor. The reports of their incidence, and circumstances involved in Imperial reports however could easily be misconceived in that, people see their maple syrup as a protective charm, when it is simply no more then a machination to get stoned.

>>15955406
I'm okay with that,

>>15955406

So the syrup is just fabled by imperial citizens and guardsmen to suppress the red thirst and black rage; when in reality we just like to drink ourselves into a diabetic coma

I mean, when I first thought of that I was thinking on how I could fluff the syrup, so whether or not it really works or is just their imagination is good.

Well actually, them believeing that the syrup is able to hold back the Thirst and the Rage while it really doesn't does, kind of fit the universe.

>>15955418

Pretty much, and this is accentuated by the imperial citizen's low amount of interaction with those who have succumbed already.

>>15955445

The low interaction due to the whicker men being secluded in the Forest of Sanguinius.

This is archived right?

>>15955486

I don't think it is.

Only up to the point where we were saying no to cybernetic and servitor bears

>>15955525

Archive updates itself, it will have what I need when I feel better tomorrow and spend more time on the 1d4chan. I might take a break till I have condensed the information on for you guys.