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    103 KB Pirates of the Warp Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)16:59 No.15759678  
    Ahoy landlubbers are any of the people from last nights pirates of the warp spawning thread here?
    If so I'll tell you how my play test went.
    Heres the original thread so you can get informed if you are interested.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:00 No.15759684

    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:02 No.15759704
    To expand the idea is basically making a game centered around various factions of pirates in the 40k universe using a mix of small BFG skirmishes to represent ship combat and small 40k skirmishes to represent boarding actions and raids within the greater fleet fights.
    I'll just be bumping with images.
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    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:04 No.15759728
    you'd probably want to REALLY retool the BFG system to get it to work well
    >> Shiver your timbers 07/30/11(Sat)17:05 No.15759741
    Hello matey, how did the playtest go?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:06 No.15759745
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    We haven't really looked at that yet but most likely
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:08 No.15759762
    Well, certainly interesting.
    I made a very winding set-up terrain wise so it took the attackers forever to get through. By turn 6 they had only gotten halfway so we will either need to increase turn limit or increase the space infantry can move per turn. I recommend the second.
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    >> Shiver your timbers 07/30/11(Sat)17:12 No.15759790
    What was the size of the board anyways?

    If we had to increase movement speed, what if we gave everyone fleet of <movement method> and models who already had it get like +3 to their roll, or an additional roll or something?
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    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:17 No.15759819
    There are necrons pirates?!
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:24 No.15759882

    mandatory song. ignore the video itself if you don't like it
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:27 No.15759903
    Captain Razor Beard and his misfit crew of renegade Necrons.

    They regained enough of their minds to RAGE AGAINST THE FALSE GODS.

    The legendary Retvayn was the first. He had been frozen in a glacier since gods know when and so had a long time to regain his faculties with the absence of dying. Then he had ample time to be driven slightly mad by the isolation.

    As soon as the glacier shat him out he walked back to the Vault and murdered the local incarnation of the Deceiver. Then he hi-jacked a ship and set sail for the open skies.

    they are not as immortal as their mundane counterparts any more. Complete vaporization for instance will kill them as they severed their connection to the Node Network.

    Their only real motivation is the prospect of killing C'tan.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:29 No.15759925
    I fucking love it.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:31 No.15759941

    So... they're the Davy jones and the flying dutchmen of the 40kverse/tiji sector?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:31 No.15759945
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    this feels more fitting.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:35 No.15759972
    Sure is weeaboo in here
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:36 No.15759985

    Just listen to the potc song you nitwit. No one wants katanas on the high seas. Shit's brittle.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:37 No.15759989
    it was 4ftx2ft with the deployments on short sides.
    Fleet would work.
    I'm having internet trouble currently so i'll post more when i work it out
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:37 No.15759993
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    Captain Marv the Mutilated.

    He was part of the Imperial Merchant Navy back in the day. Took a melta-weapon blast. Just far enough away to not be vaporized but close enough to be royally fucked up.

    He was placed in a sterile nutri-goop tank with a mind impulse unit plugged into what was left of his spine and brain. He enslaved the Machine Spirits of the ship to his mind and then bound the minds of the serivtor members of the crew to the ship. Over the next 300 years as the human members of the ship retired they were replaced by servitors bound to his ship.

    The only non-servitor members of the crew are the tech-adepts in exile from the Mechanicus. Outcast Mechanicus.

    The servitors are notably brighter than their more mundane counterparts and can even survive on their own to an extent, but they will crave the company of the ship. As they are fond of saying 'Part of the Crew, part of the Ship'.

    Ship re-named Caro Infirma
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:37 No.15759995

    No love for classic shanties? for shame!
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:37 No.15760001
    That's some Muppet Treasure Island, nigga.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:39 No.15760016
    >>Parrot pauldrons
    I want to have that picture's babies.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:41 No.15760031
    And I said ignore the video.

    Fun fact: I can find no decent shanties on YT that aren't drunken sailor

    What if we had deployment on the long sides? I mean, this IS supposed to be classic style piracy, and the objectives being arrayed between them could lead to some nice close range fights
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:46 No.15760078
    Hang on, isn't there something in 5th ed that gives you fleet for a round in exchange for not being able to shoot?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:53 No.15760161
    If you mean the rule that lets you sacrifice shooting for an additional d6 of movement, then yes. yes there is.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)17:55 No.15760186
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    There was once a story of a ship. A ship that may well have been one of the fabled Black Ships, but is now something darker still.

    They say the Navigator went mad. Became convinced that the shimmering lights 'below' was the glare of the Astronomican 'above' and so plunged the vessel 'down' to find it.

    For forty days and forty nights the vessel sank into the heights of the deep warp. Past sirens and furies and strange impossible things.

    They say the prisoners escaped and raped and mutilated and murdered the crew again and again and again. And maybe that was bad for them but no as bad for us should they have been trapped for ever in that otherworldly hell.

    But the warp is a hateful mistress that cares not for the pleasures of us mortal folk.

    She spat that vessel back out, it's crew knowing that the only escape from the horrors they have endured is to inflict them upon another so that an innocent soul can take their place.

    Should you see a ship belched into the void of maggot ridden architecture and fused bone and rotten flesh then by all that is merciful slit your own throat and blow the Fusion Reactor for mercies sake. If all failing that take a space walk without a helmet as a death in the embrace of Mother Void is better that having to see what I saw on that ship, better to die.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:02 No.15760260
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    "How did Abdul get off the asteroid?"
    "Well, I'll tell ye. His mind waded out into the shallows of the warp, and he waited there three rotations, till all manner of other worldly creatures came acclimatin' to his presence. Then on the fourth rotation, he ensnared himself a couple of deamons, lashed 'em together and made a rift!"
    "He roped a couple of warp deamons?"
    "Aye, warp deamons!"
    "But what did he use as a binding?"

    "Human Sanity. From my mind".
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:02 No.15760262
    its not a fight about the middle its a fight over the bridge to capture or render it useless. Not standard 40k objectives
    Even with running the dont cover enough ground
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:07 No.15760310
    ok playtester back.

    I found that flamers were awesome against hordes of crew, great for clearing entire hallways full of goons.
    Terminators, even though you can only get 3 in a kill team just wreck at what they were invented for (ship clearing actions) and will slaughter down anything with lightening claws. Bonus points if you can use berzerkers or something as meatshields.
    Warp spiders were also decent at jumping into a corridor and jumping back out before retaliation could hit.
    Definitely think limits of 1 squad that isn't a troops choice outside killteam is way to go.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:08 No.15760325
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    I now have an excuse.

    Captain Chode McBlob.

    Smuggler of narcotics.
    >> Shiver your timbers 07/30/11(Sat)18:14 No.15760393
    >Copper wiring. From me back


    So a limit of 1 elites is confirmed for a good choice.
    On the speed issue, what if we made running 2d6 extra movement instead of 1d6?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:15 No.15760404
    Kaptin Bluddflagg
    - Second-in-Command: Mister Nailbrain
    - Flagship: Judgement of Carrion
    - Crew: Bluddflagg’s Boyz

    Kaptin Badrukk
    - Flagship: Da Blacktoof
    - Crew: Badrukk’s Flash Gitz

    Huron Blackheart
    - Flagship: Wolf of Fenris
    - Crew: The Red Corsairs

    Prince Yriel
    - Flagship: Flame of Asuryan
    - Crew: The Eldritch Raiders

    Duke Traevelliath Sliscus
    - Flagship: The Duke’s Triumph
    - Crew: The Sky Serpents

    Adibaal Bloodbones
    - Flagship: Death of Hope
    - Crew: The Flensed

    Kor'el Vior'la Kais Can'tyr, alias Can'tyr Hotspur
    - Second-in-Command: Shaper Kriikit
    - Flagship: Vash'ya Ax, the Battle Ax.
    - Crew: The Born Free, a mix of Tau and Kroot

    Miriael Sabathiel
    - Second-in-Command: Kaleel
    - Flagship: The Rose of Slaanesh
    - Crew: The Rose's Thorns.

    some of the Pirate Lords of the last thread
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:16 No.15760415
    that would probably work well.
    But then you get a movement phase of 6 in and run up to 12. Just doesn't seem right but i guess it could work.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:21 No.15760453

    Another solution might be to, instead of large numbers of winding corridors, a few large rooms with the objectives divided between them and a smaller number of hallways.

    Infantry movement becomes 8" plus 1d6 running for an average of roughly 11 inch moment with a max of 14 inches
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:23 No.15760467
    I suppose but it doesn't feel as ship-y
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:27 No.15760494
    I believe this song will be more fitting for this idea.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:30 No.15760520
    I hate you for reminding me this existed.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:31 No.15760525
    Fuck You.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:31 No.15760527
    Old pirate poem by espronceda, singed by tierra santa a metal group.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:32 No.15760536
    Have some PotC to soothe the pain.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:32 No.15760541
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    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:32 No.15760547
    guys, why are you all so concerned with music?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:32 No.15760551
    Obligatory Alestorm
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:34 No.15760572

    Now we're getting somewhere.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:36 No.15760599
    EPIC! goddamit! fucking epic.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:37 No.15760606
    I'm not entirely sure how we could make the movement more "shipey" to be honest. I dislike too much randomness tbh.

    What if we made movement variable from game to game? you get the default 6 inches, plus an additional d6 inches. the total becomes the standard movement for the game.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:38 No.15760618
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    There can only be one definitive unholy pirate.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:40 No.15760635
    Tat could work. But maybe give certain units just the base 6 in to represent them being slower like terminators and the like
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:42 No.15760655
    What if there was a Tyranid bio-pirate ship, too small to focus on planets, so they just attack small livestock carriers, and other ships of that nature?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:43 No.15760666
    They're called kraken, and they're independent ships that scout for the Hive Mind.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:44 No.15760669
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    You ever seen a Tyranid wearing a pirate hat?

    Conclusion: Tyranid can't be pirates.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:44 No.15760673
    Do it by save maybe?

    where total movement=base + armor save

    So a termie gets 8 inches (6+2) while a scout gets 10 (6+4).

    So you'd have to balance it between protection VS speed.

    I know someone is going to complain about how race X would get ludicrous movement speed, but come on! these are pirates, hardly the most cautious when moving about.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:44 No.15760675

    Tyranids don't really work that way. They tend to attack what's in their path and take as much as they can before getting pushed back, if at all, and using the consumed bio-mass to fuel their hunger-binge crusade.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:46 No.15760696
    When we get these rules together, I really want to run a /tg/ mega campaign to celebrate.

    Everyone gets a lead on a legendary treasure and descend upon the sector it is located in in search of wealth, fame, or just a good fight.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:47 No.15760707
    There can always be a first. Or maybe a Genestealer brood, as they don't need synapse, acting as a terror type ship by the means of piracy
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:48 No.15760724
    This is perfect! Definitely this.

    And so far, what can't be pirates: Tyranids, sisters of battle, and grey knights
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:48 No.15760726

    Race with similar tech/hivemind society maybe? run it as counts as?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:49 No.15760731

    Do you even know what a pirate does? Or what a privateer is?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:51 No.15760746

    I'd say ANYTHING can be pirates. In the case of the 'nids, they got isolated from the hive fleet, nommed a bunch of pirates, and acquired a similar mindset.

    Sisters are renegade(but not enough for chaos to be obvious)/ on a mission to cleanse a sector of pirates and have adopted similar tactics (the sisterhood of calypso?)

    Grey knights are stranded away from the imperium and have to use piratical methods to get back
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:52 No.15760758
    Feral Gene-stealers who have given the finger to the Hive-mind and now, in a stolen semi-organic ship of their own mad design, sail the Seas of Night on missions of plunder and loot.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:52 No.15760759
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    Hail the Huntmaster!
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:54 No.15760782
    no, they aint pirate-y enough.
    Pirates are selfish and have no honor save the code.
    Tyranids cannot be selfish.
    Grey knights have too much honor
    Fallen sisters, maybe
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:57 No.15760816
    Splinter Fleets are the tyranid version of pirates

    Sisters wouldn't amass pirate fleets, but I could see a detachment guarding an rogue trader or inquisitor who does
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:58 No.15760831
    Well, technically the rules represent the tactics more than the attitude.

    Tyranids? Rading imperial shipping to sow chaos to make things easier for the hive

    Sisters: again, fallen/fought pirates/raiders so much they have adopted speddier tactics to accomodate the speed of a battle within the bowels of a ship

    Grey Knights? could be the same as not-fallen sisters, though it would be a bit of a stretch
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)18:58 No.15760835
    but tyranids would be unable to comprehend the system of the code. They also can't be selfish or work with other pirates to get booty.
    >> Spawn_More_Synaps 07/30/11(Sat)18:59 No.15760842
    rolled 61 = 61

    I was thinking about the Necron Pirate Lord, what if he possessed a modified strain of the Obliterator Virus, made specificly to work with Necrodermis?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:00 No.15760857
    Right, has this been added to 1d4chan yet? if not, I'll go ahead and add it
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:02 No.15760882
    no one has yet
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:03 No.15760901
    Why cant be the grey knights / sisters the "imperial" armys???(u know the "good" guyz who serve the crown)
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:05 No.15760916
    Squats of Golgotha.

    They got out before Gazkakull burned it into the bedrock.

    Now they harry the supply lines, steal the loot and sell it to get the ship pimped up.

    The ship is all Saxon looking.

    Bloody-minded Captain Aethelwulf.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:07 No.15760947
    Space Shark chapter of the Adeptus Astartes.

    They are Loyalists who are pirate-y.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:09 No.15760964
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    Grey Knights have been mentioned as being too honor-driven and sober to be pirates. And I agree.

    But what if there was an obsessed Grey Knight Captain who obsessively led his crew from warp storm to warp storm looking for the Great White Daemon, a Leviathan that could consume whole planets if it ever left the Warp?

    pick absofucking-lutely related.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:13 No.15761011

    ...I like this idea.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:14 No.15761032
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    >Speak not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me. Look ye, Starbuck, all visible objects are but as pasteboard masks. Some inscrutable yet reasoning thing puts forth the molding of their features. The Great White Leviathan tasks me; he heaps me. Yet he is but a mask. 'Tis the thing behind the mask I chiefly hate; the malignant thing that has plagued mankind since time began; the thing that maws and mutilates our race, not killing us outright but letting us live on, with half a heart and half a soul.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:15 No.15761034
    Epic idea.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:18 No.15761076

    The idea is that that the Grey Knights in the area have such a mad-on for whatever it is they're hunting that pretty much every pirate ship will actively try to avoid being anywhere near them if they can help it, either because they're xenos or heretics or regular humans who would likely be press-ganged.

    Captain Ahab arrives in system as a wild card and the general pirate reaction is NOPE.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:27 No.15761141
    Guys guys, to qualify as one of the great pirate lords of the 41st millennium you have to be able to hold a seat at the Brethren Court, working WITH the other lords at times of crisis. Honor amongst thieves and all.

    Nid pirates don't work like that
    Grey knight whalers won't go for that
    So they're not allowed.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:27 No.15761146

    BOOM! grey knight pirate fluff

    Now how do I start a new page on 1d4chan?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:28 No.15761159

    If you're calling Grey Knight Ahab something as a slimy as a pirate lord, you'd best pray to your god of choice that he doesn't hear you doing it.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:30 No.15761172

    Relax man, the rules are about the tactics, not the rationale. And where did you get the bretheren court bit from anyways?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:36 No.15761231
    There was strong emphasis in the first thread about pirates working together. The idea is to limit a single pirate lord to a cruiser sized flagship with some escorts, so as not to have the ability to take on an Imperial battleship and her escorts, thus giving credibility to Imperial navy. You want to take on a treasure fleet? Hope you got friends because it's escorted by the navy. The navy running a pirate sweeping campaign? Better band together if you wan to survive.

    Kaptin Bluddflagg is a bit different because he's the one lord with a ship big enough to go toe to toe with a battleship, but he doesn't have any other ships at all so he still needs to work with others if he wants escorts.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:38 No.15761253
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    "Ray of Deceit".

    Infact a gargantuan Daemon Engine that acts as a host for Grand Daemon Flulln'nul Q'akssksao.
    Captained by Arch-magus Mehdi Farzan who also acts an a astropath, has a throne in the bridge which he uses to link his mind with the ship.
    Crewed by Rubric marines, slaves and Tzeentchian daemons.
    Great arcane furnace fueled with psykers used to power the ship.
    Have been known to work with other factions in the pursuit of a further goal such as finding an inquisition black ship or on one occasion - a pair of blue horrors that took the form of a pair of shoes owned by the wife of a back-water planetary governor.

    Standard procedure is to find ships via their astropath's position in the warp, cripple, board, steal arcane goods plus the astropath for the furnace. Has unintended side effect of stranding ship with no way of communicating long distance. Inevitably causes desperate crew to turn to chaos. Just as planned.

    Ecclesiarchy ships "His Merciless Judgement" and the "Infuria" sent to hunt down the "Ray of Deceit", found 3 years later drifting into imperium space; the entire crew a gibbering, delusional mess. Astropath and attached Sororitas missing. Both ships redirected by Space Marines from the Minotaurs chapter into nearby star with crew as to keep situation secret.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:45 No.15761312

    You know, I was in that thread, and I do not recall ANY of that.

    'sides, you think pirates had exclusive tactics that no one else knew? hell, their tactics came from the king/queen's navy!

    Here's a rationale for grey knights using similar tactics: Theis group specializes in hunting down and purging demon ships.

    Sisters: Possibly went renegade, could specialize in/ used by an inquisitor for ship-to-ship actions and have adopted tactics that work for that

    Tyranids: Hive fleet is sending out commerce raiders to sow chaos and restrict spplies reaching planets it wants to nom

    NOTICE: at no point did I say these are PIRATES. I gave rationales as to why they would use a similar command/army structure.

    Sisters and GK Aren't pirates (unless sisters are renegades of course) but are hunting them and use tactics that work.

    Nids adapted a splinter fleet to serve a purpose similar to pirates, but more focused on the chaos/mayhem rather than the loot.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:54 No.15761393
    1d4chan article up

    Suck at formatting, someone help with that?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:55 No.15761409
    No there was, there was a debate over what kind of ship Wolf of Fenris is. Some people argued that it's a battle barge where as others argue it's a strike cruiser. Turns out it was a strike cruiser and we had a look at the other flagships and thought it made good sense to limit pirate fleet flagships to cruisers. Battleships needs 3 cruisers before you can even field them, and if each lord owns a battleship then if you want to run a "Battle of Maelstrom" type campaign you'll need an impossibly large Imperial fleet to pose a threat when the pirate lords band together.

    And in any case battleships are slow and lumbering, so pirate lords probably wouldn't want them as flagships anyway.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:58 No.15761436

    Fixed some spelling and grammar. No good with formatting.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)19:58 No.15761439
    >all pirates must e exactly the same
    fucking nope.jpg

    that's like playing necromunda, but disallowing enforcer patrols
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:02 No.15761467
    ok guys, I'm going to be making a free forum where we can decide on rules and maybe end up with an actual rulebook pdf with fluff and everything.
    I'll be posting it on here over the next few days so keep your eyes open.
    Play tester who started thread btw
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:03 No.15761476
    Yeah but fluff-wise you need to come up with a reason to justify why a given faction should count as one of the great pirate lords (if you are playing pirates). Remember this is a pirate themed game not just "Age of Sail in SPESS".

    Hell the original OP post was explicitly entertaining the theory that the known pirate lords in canon know of each other and have some kind of organization among them.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:08 No.15761519
    are you implying that the new-grey knights wouldn't brow beat the local factions into assisting them?

    because they totally would

    And we all know how genestealer cults work, don't we? (that is, infecting influential people to subvert organizations.. like say.. a pirate lord)
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:09 No.15761527

    See the necromundah without enforcers comment.

    I'll say it again: the sisters are renegades that haven't changed too much, faith powers are either the warp, or some other, minor gods

    Tyranids: play an insectiod race as counts-as. NEXT!

    GK: Yes, I agree these do pose a problem. all else fails, its marines who stole/modified their wargear.

    BOOM. Problem. Solved.
    >> Shiver your timbers 07/30/11(Sat)20:11 No.15761541
    managed to rope in a buddy of mine to help playtest tomorrow. expect a thread
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:18 No.15761612
    I'm all for including as many race as possible but look at the thread title, it's "Pirates of the Warp". You got to fluff your stuff properly to fit in with the pirate theme man. Someone suggested a "sea monster" angle for Tyranids and I see that as perfectly reasonable (although it may call for modified rules compared to normal pirate fleets). But if you want to put in GK and sisters then you need to come up with some good reason how they fit into this whole pirate thing. Are the sisters/GK pirate lords? Nemesis of pirate lords? What's their reason for fighting with/against the pirates?

    If you're going to say "well there's these Grey Knights, they hunt a daemon Moby Dick", how does that fit into the larger picture? It seems like if that was the setup they will never have a run in with the other pirates as they're too busy doing their own thing?
    >> Shiver your timbers 07/30/11(Sat)20:23 No.15761657
    Did you read that comment your responding to? They makes sense to me.

    Renegade sisters happen, and acts of faith could represent the powers of the warp beginning to take hold. So a group of sisters went rogue and became pirates (wasn't a former sister pirate even featured in the previous thread?)

    For the grey knights: the first company of a chapter came across some really old tech, mechanicus demanded they hand it over. Marines tell machanicus to shove it up their ass, the company gets declared and attacked, they make it out with the tech and turn to piracy.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:25 No.15761672
    'sides, shouldn't we leave it up to the players to rationalize it? I mean we are just trying to come up with the rule set here, not necessarily the entire background fluff
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:26 No.15761682
    Maybe the White Leviathan is considered such a threat to mankind that the Grey Knights are willing to utilise renegades and xenos to hunt it down. Matt Ward made them incorruptible radicals remember.

    It would be awkward with that thousand sons captain someone mentioned earlier though.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:31 No.15761723
    hell, what if the GK are hunting down an artifact, but it keeps being traded around the sector. After a while, they decided that intercepting shipping would be the easier way to find it. They use pirate tactics because if all the evidence points to pirates as being responsible for the raids, who would suspect them? They also work with human pirates that haven't fallen to chaos to assist them in their search.

    But, I do believe >>15761672 has the crux of it. we should get the rules fun and very nearly balanced before we do the fluff or just not worry too much about the fluff. Even IF we disallow certain races people would still use em in games with their friends.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:33 No.15761734
    The idea with Captain Ahab GKs is to work in a way for them to be available in small numbers within the system.

    Thinking of it from a Mordheim perspective, they can serve as a kind of "random event" that shows up in the middle of a pirate fight.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:33 No.15761735
    >Wasn't a former sister pirate even featured in the previous thread?
    Yes, her angle was "normal human pirate". We needed another representative for human pirates other than Huron Blackheart (he's the "pirate space marine" guy). Personally I would've preferred a rogue trader but apparently Jan van Yastobaal is a few millennial too old/dead.

    Miriael Sabathiel is ex-sister now serving Slaanesh. We tried very hard to avoid the "hookers and blow" thing so she's all about perfection and stuff. Her second in command is her lover or something.

    Seems quite reasonable to me, but it's probably not "fallen sister" thing that you're looking for because she's about normal human as pirates. If you're going to fluff sisters and GK as pirates then fine, but you need to come up with captain's name, flagship, and most importantly why they would turn to piracy while still thematically being sisters and GK. Otherwise why not just play Miriael or Huron?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:37 No.15761770
    Heres the forum.
    Its crap now but a work in progress.
    Doesn't allow for new members yet so bookmark it and check back tomorrow
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:40 No.15761802
    >Otherwise why not just play Miriael or Huron?

    Simple: I want to play my own captain. You may as well ask why people don't always use special characters or stick with pre-established color schemes

    My point is: Anon said that we should completely disallow 'nids, sisters, and knights because they didn't fit the theme/wouldn't turn to piracy. I was just pointing out several ways they COULD in fact turn to piracy.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:43 No.15761824
    Color scheme needs changing, I cannot read the text for the life of me.

    Members do not appear to be able to start topics either
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:46 No.15761855
    as i said, work in progress, shit right now, check back tomorrow
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:55 No.15761961
    do we need to come up with a method of creating custom Captains?

    maybe as a long term goal.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)20:57 No.15761985
    Thats what the killteam/bridge is for. the captain of the vessel and his officers/mateys. We removed the restrictions on HQ and multi wound guys for a reason
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)21:10 No.15762125
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    Here's what I got for campaign rules so far:

    Campaign 1 (Working title: hunt for the treasure)
    Goal: find treasure located on one of the worlds in the system

    an impartial outsider picks a random system on a map to hold the treasure (pic is an example from a similar, non 40k game I did a while ago)

    each player picks one outlying system to be their "base"

    Both sides have an initial fleet bridge, and crew.

    250pts for your fleet

    100Pts for the bridge

    200 points for crew
    campaign is taken in turns. each turn, player rolls a d6 and may travel up to that many systems away. one their they may choose to either:

    A) raid shipping. gain (2d6)*10 points that may be added to fleet,bridge, or army lists or

    B) search they system for the treasure. if the treasure is not present, the impartial outsider may choose to give a warmer/colder hint to the player that searched the system, out of earshot of the other player(s)

    Once treasure has been found, a player must get their fleet back to their base. the player who has the treasure may only make d3 jumps.

    if two opposing fleets occupy the same system, a battle is initiated.

    Fleet/bridge/crew lists may not be changed between battles
    >> Tai'vi Bones 07/30/11(Sat)21:17 No.15762194
    we dont have a system yet, how can you play a campaign?
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)21:19 No.15762228
    We do have enough down to play some games. it is, admittedly, in the testing phase but his heart's in the right place at least.

    They could be workable, but again we'll have to get the core rules down before we do the rest of this stuff
    >> Tai'vi Bones 07/30/11(Sat)21:21 No.15762245
    i suppose but its going to be a really rough campaign rules wise
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)21:31 No.15762344
    thread archived
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)21:40 No.15762424
    this thread needs more wenches and mead

    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)21:46 No.15762475
    to be honest you could do it all with already released supplements from WD

    just play BFG games with only smaller sized ships, and play out important boarding actions with the old BFG/40k boarding action rules printed in WD

    throw in some killteam/combat patrol on planets, and you're golden.
    >> Anonymous 07/30/11(Sat)21:47 No.15762496
    Well if we wanted to take the easy route and throw out what we've done so far.......
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)01:27 No.15764470
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)01:50 No.15764686
    Its a game of Renegades, fuck the Imperium.

    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)02:25 No.15764956
    So just to confirm.
    The HQ is a killteam and the rest is a normal core list right?
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)02:39 No.15765071

    We will surely avoid scurvy if we all eat an orange.

    >>Louis Tworman
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)02:44 No.15765111
    Yes and no. The HQ is a kill-team in nature, but with more freedom to purchase equipment and higher stats. More like Wolf Guard with the ability to leave and join units freely.

    Core list is core list with more limited options such as no vehicles or walkers and with some different stats and rules, particularly in regards to leadership and unit cohesion.

    A lot still has to be worked out obviously.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)02:47 No.15765138
    > 'nids, sisters, and knights

    I find they don't work thematically. The whole idea is capturing ships, slaves and plunder, not something that works in regards to nids, sisters or knights.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)02:50 No.15765161
    The raids should have more of a Necromunda/Mordheim focus then traditional 40k.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:01 No.15765259

    Those three would be more like playing the Enforcers in a necromunda game (Or the Spyers for nids). Not actually pirates but close enough in function to be in the same game.

    I have a suggestion for the Sister 'pirate' Praxedes.

    "All contact was lost with her forces and she became known as the first martyr to Kraken. Her name is revered across the Ultima Segmentum but some claim she fights on still against the hordes of Tyranids from within."
    >> Spawn_More_Synaps 07/31/11(Sun)03:07 No.15765329
    rolled 49 = 49

    So, the ending to Skyline?
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:09 No.15765349
    Kind of pigeon-holes the sisters, and that's more guerrila fighter than pirate and raider.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:09 No.15765351

    Perhaps rather than dying she and her forces commandeered a ship at the last and got away. However, the Imperial Navy denied all her requests to hunt down the splinter fleets of Kraken, so she stole a ship to do it herself. In response, the Imperium struck her name from the living Sisters record. Better to have a saint than a Renagade.

    Gives us renegade but not traitor Sisters. Renegade at least was needed to deal with the 'Decree Passive' issue.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:11 No.15765369

    Due to the Decree Passive meaning 'No ships for you' they kinda need to be renegade. By the same token, most Sisters fans would rather not play 'You are all fallen Sisters'

    They are unfortunately one of the harder factions to slot in.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:17 No.15765424
    So long as they aren't working for or within the Imperium, at least officially, I don't mind.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:23 No.15765502

    So more or less a Female Captain Harlock? Fighting for humanity even if you do so as a pirate.

    "This flag says that I shall fight until only my bones remain."
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:25 No.15765527

    Pretty much. She's a pirate but one of honour and good faith. She'll fight for humanity, even if they turned their back on her.

    Seems the best option for including Sisters.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:27 No.15765542
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    Female Captain Harlock you say?
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:29 No.15765555

    I like it. We are not likely to find a better reason for Sister of Battle pirates, and she's got a history of acting on her own.
    >> Spawn_More_Synaps 07/31/11(Sun)03:30 No.15765561
    rolled 18 = 18

    That's probably a good starting point for character design
    >> Spawn_More_Synaps 07/31/11(Sun)03:37 No.15765621
    rolled 36 = 36

    That said I still like the concept of Miriael Sabathiel, hmm, she could be an arch enemy of sorts.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:39 No.15765633

    Sounds about right. Those two have epic duels whenever they meet, though neither has managed to win yet.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:40 No.15765640
    In case anyone didn't catch it from Rogue Trader, the RT who discovered the Koronus Expanse and founded a dynasty there was one Captain Haarlock, so there's already at least one Harlock in 40k already. (The fact that the Haarlock dynasty is extremely defunct now is beside the point)
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:41 No.15765649
    Mirieael believes in freedom for humanity through Chaos, the Sister believes in freedom through Imperial Salvation. They are more alike than they would think, and in another life could have been friends.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:42 No.15765655

    Yes, I think it was more talking about the original characters personality than the actual name.

    As he is a just, honourable man who became a pirate to continue fighting the foes of humanity and for justice.
    >> Spawn_More_Synaps 07/31/11(Sun)03:44 No.15765672
    rolled 99 = 99

    That dosn't mean we cant work with that as an angle of some sort.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:46 No.15765684
    Wasn't criticizing, more pointing it out, since it amuses me that Harlock is seemingly exempt from accusations of 'weaboo' on /tg/.
    >> Spawn_More_Synaps 07/31/11(Sun)03:47 No.15765704
    rolled 7 = 7

    speaking of that, does anybody have that pic of him killing a guy by making him drink milk
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:48 No.15765713

    Actually...they may have been. St Praxedes is Order of Our Martyred Lady, which has Black Armour and Red Cloth. Miriael Sabathiel has Black Armour and Red Cloth. I think they came from the same order.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)03:57 No.15765789

    Huh, interesting. That would add an extra layer of hatred onto it.
    >> Spawn_More_Synaps 07/31/11(Sun)04:04 No.15765844
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    rolled 51 = 51

    took me a bit to grab a reaction image
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)05:08 No.15766336
    bump for pirates.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)06:24 No.15766760
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    An Ogyrn Pirate.

    Gentleman Jared.

    A Bone 'Ed that went a little wrong.

    Has a crew of Ogyrn, the descendants of his old regiment. They all have some degree of the Bone 'Ed enhancements. Gentleman Jared's enhancements are probably the most severe. Some just have the most basic type of the extra storage space variety but others, the captain being the most obvious example, suffer a compulsion to gradually and sequentially replace more and more pieces of their brain to make them smarter.

    The Captain, it is said, has only a machine inside his skull now. To the Mechanicus he is an Artificial Intellect and should be hunted down regardless of his piratical crimes.

    The ship was a Rogue Trader vessel that went traitor and came to the attention of the Navy. It captured when the Ogyrn Regiment was sent on board with the instructions of detonating it's reactor.

    Instead of a bright flash the Navy were expecting it translated into the Warp.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)11:34 No.15768468
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)11:38 No.15768496
    Jesus, I started this thread yesterday and I just saw it on the front page!
    any way, If you are interested, join up!
    I hereby impress yee all into me crew.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)12:12 No.15768707
    holy shit this thread is still alive?

    Anyways: playtesting a bit today, expect post in bothe the forum and on here
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)12:53 No.15768915
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    Deamons who have run away from their respective patrons and crafted new bodies for themselves in the Soul Forge.

    They sought to usurp the Realm of Chaos and topple the gods from their thrones. the leader of them the Deamon King Ghul was slain and the fled to broken worlds and buried him with the Devils Chariot. They took the nearest systems for their own to stand vigil over the Kings Grave.

    But the Eldar, at the height of their Empire, drove them out and cast most of the into the Warp where things were still waiting for them after all the eons.

    But not all of them were driven out.

    Some still sail the stary seas in a ship of broken bones fused to black and red iron.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)14:51 No.15769743
    ok so, I've found a way to overcome the difficulties I'd encountered with pirate necrons (well that I'd encountered before we started having all this pirate game fun)

    Empire handgunners/other Empire weaponry.

    do you think this would work?
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)16:12 No.15770340
    Just finished the battle repo
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)16:18 No.15770384
    Didn't mean to do that. anyways here's the comments from the battle (full report is available on the forum (http://piofthwa.forumotion.com/t4-play-test-marines-vs-marines) but here's the other player's comments summed up:

    Thought that the pacing was a little bit too fast

    Most of his guys died the turn they entered play due to losing assaults and being forced off the board

    Overall he thought it was very enjoyable
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)16:45 No.15770598
    Captain: Praxedes of Ophelia VII
    Ship: The Avalon
    Crew: Adepta Sororitas and freed slaves.

    A woman believed dead by the Imperium, Praxedes of Ophelia VII is anything but. Her and her sisters waded deep into the Tyranid forces on Okassis, buying time for the civilians to escape.

    Here, fact and fiction separate. Praxedes and her troops escaped the planet and made it back to the Navy. She argued long and hard for the Imperium to send out fleets to hunt each splinter that broke off but they considered it unworthy of attention. Praxedes believed that unless the Imperium acted, the splinter fleets would be their undoing. Enraged by the Navies refusal to act she did something that few Sisters dared contemplate. She rebelled.

    Under her command, a ship was taken in a daring raid of Seraphim and Celestians. By the time the navy realized what had been done, the ship had jumped into the warp and was gone.

    Her name, along with a missions worth of others was struck from the records of living Sisters that day. The fuel of the Imperium is the blood of Martyrs and better a Martyr to the cause than a traitor. For a traitor may never be forgiven.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)16:47 No.15770631

    Praxedes of Ophelia is a tall woman, with the power to match. Her armour is still kept mirror bright, though her hair has grown long. A dueling scar, given by another pirate captain is a new additon since her start as a pirate.

    She is beloved by her crew both the Sisters who would believe to this day that the Emperor stands with her decision and the crewmen who adore her for her charisma and willingness to stand beside them.

    She desires to hunt down the Splinter fleets of the tyranids whereever they go, though she is not beyond matching arms with any raiders or heretics that cross her path, raiding them in turn. She has earned the esteem of many of the greater pirate captains for her ability to cut the chaff of piracy from a sector.

    The Avalon is a wonder of a ship, gleaming like polished silver in the void. Her hallways are brightly lit and smell of faintly burning incence. It is clear that the crew of this ship hold great pride. While she may lack the unique technologies of the Eldar or the vile tricks of the Fallen, you will be hard pressed to find a ship as efficiant and devoted as that of the Avalon. Her crew of Sisters seems to mysteriously regain numbers whenever she loses them, not all from the same order but all currently listed as 'On Exercises' officially.

    There we go, my attempt to fluff up a SOB who went pirate.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)17:45 No.15771178
    bump because everyone love pirates.
    >> Anonymous 07/31/11(Sun)18:11 No.15771376

    Hell yes. A female Captain Harlock for the Sisters. Playing very loose with canon but then, I don't think anyone really cares.

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