Oh shit...

Does anyone else remember this stuff?
What happened to OP, Sukhoi, fligh/tg/uy etc?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8rZWw9HE7o

Damn /tg/, you don't remember one of the greatest OC project of the last year and a half, both in terms of fluff and mechanics?

>>15727642

Kind of hard to forget considering it's still going on in a very large capacity. We have a post about it every few days.

>>15727723
Really?

You'll have to forgive me, but RL has caused me to miss a lot of /tg/ and other hobby-related stuff for a while

Care to elaborate, kind anon?

>>15727752

Not a lot to elaborate on. Planes and Mercs has a forum up where they're running several concurrent games spread over a few different theatres of operations.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/PlanesAndMercs/index/

>>15727768
Thank you


Does OPagain/Baron still post on /tg/?
Is his campaign still ongoing?

>>15727790

I don't think that campaign is continuing, but the others are.

>>15727797
Thanks, anon, appreciate the info

See you in the skies

>>15727816
Don't forget to register at the forum.

You'll need an account to view most of the stuff posted, but it's free to register anyway.

Cool, P&M

I feel the need, the need for speed! Ow!

>>15727900
Will do in the morning, hitting the hay now though

Thanks, girder

>>15727790
Steve disappeared last we heard, presumably to shoot people in Libya. Baron occasionally checks out the forum but hasn't been on in a fairly long while.

The hombrew Firestorm setting currently has three campaigns going on, each with between three and four flights each

Do you guys subscribe to the Carlo Kopp theory that the F-35 sucks balls and will get owned by the J-20? Just askin'.

>>15727939
The firestorm crew tends to dislike the F-35 because of a big pile of reasons.

As far the J-20 goes, it's got enough technology stolen from the F-35 that it should be at least comparable

>>15727939
I think it sucks, but I dont know enough about the J-20 to comment.

>>15727939
Kopp is just going by speculation and guesswork anyway, anyone with half a brain could come up with that shit

>>15728016
He ran some pretty thorough specular radar cross-section simulations on models of the J-20. Technically that still counts as "speculation", but it's a hell of a lot closer to engineering than just voicing an opinion.

Dammit, why am I late for these things...

SUMMARY!
http://planesandmercs.wikia.com/wiki/Newbie_corner
RULES!
http://www.mediafire.com/?bfze657m5w7bvml

And a picture of a Duck that had a run in with Warfrogs Swan. Su > MiG

does this game have ground support aircraft??

is there a campaign to liberate the shit out of libya??

i'm gonna dump some planes on y'all because i'm feelin nice.

do whirly birds get any love???

Can I nuke them from orbit?

>>15728593
Can't use that bird no more.

>>15728498
Yes
>>15728510
Yes (though nothing doing)
>>15728519
Go for it
>>15728532
Sorta- a Hind managed to fuck up an F-5 in one mission. Also, GH had a few VTOL contacts that we thought were choppers... stupid sneaky Forger bastards...
>>15728593
Sure, it is the only way to be sure afterall.

>>15728462
More like Witch! Blew the bastard out of the sky!

>>15728720
Hydra's F-4 got majorly fucked up by a hind as well

>>15728805
After it slapped her around a bit.

Also a Hind in the Oceania campaign smacked up a phantom II pretty good.

Hind's are like the metal pipes more annoying but less deadly cousin

MiG-21: The plane you only laugh at once.

>>15728991
Guess how this match up ended

>>15729037
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

>>15729037
Tears.

The tears of the vanquished.

The pipes shall drive their enemies before them, hear the lamentations of their women.

>>15729037
I have no idea why you guys made that, you effectively trolled yourselves.

>>15729213

>Katte 1
>Not Swart Lead

Keep on keeping on, trollinberg.

>>15729037
Ok, because it seems like a lot to catch up on, I've only been keeping track of FS: Vietnam, fill me in on this. And don't tell me some Vipers and Tigers lost to fucking Pipes.

>>15729304

>1 Viper deadinated from 23mm to fuel tank via Pipe
>1 F-5 badly damaged, rolled on gear-up landing

Also, another F-5 tried to loop to take on a Pipe- it kinda... well, it's now a permanent feature somewhere in the Yemen desert.

>>15729323

I've been thinking of making a character for one of the FS campaigns. I was either thinking of an old, firey Hellenic Air Force A-7 veteran who was forced into early retirement along with his plane or an Ecuadorian (Fuerza Aérea Ecuatoriana) Kfir pilot who was laid off when his squadron was indefinately grounded due to budget cuts.

The HAF veteran, favors American tech and is very goal oriented and almost blood thirsty. Places priority on the destruction of enemy assets, but also equal priority on protecting friendly assets. Gutsy, on the verge of ignorant of his own mortality. Loves flying and fighting.

The FAE lay off on the other hand favors French tech and is very much a survivalist, on the verge of cowardice. Will only do what is mandated by the mission parameters. Favors hit and run tactics, and dispises dogfights, or even loitering to fire BVR. He's in this for the money, he has a large family to support.

>>15729555

Turkish Air Force.

>>15729624
lol, I thought about it but angry Greek sounded more entertaining than angry Turk.

The MiG-21 quickly earned the respect (or perhaps hate) of the Firestorm crew.

>>15729555

From memory we have-

About a half dozen of Aussie and American
Scottish
Iraqi
South African
Canadian
Swedish
Finnish
German
Spanish
Ugandan
Japanese
Korean
Pakistani
Norwegian
Belgian

And a bunch more I can't remember.

>>15729772
Love that pipe.

>>15729805
i know FS: Vietnam also has

Chinese-British
Chinese
Egyptian
Philipino
African-Russian

>>15729805
>>15730029
Saudi
Indian

>Low rolling system
>1d10
>Ejection- roll 11

You now know how that Jordanian Hunter pilot felt-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhxHT7VLTDs&feature=related&t=2m20s

>>15728057
>models
Sure, and how accurate were those models?
What were they based on?

Any hobbyist could get his hands on the same photos Kopp had and create a model based on those
It's not like China gave him the specs or anything because he happens to be a journalist

>>15730489
I feel sorry for Walter's character.

He just got IN to Aquila. And he's got kids.

WHERE WAS HIS AIR COVER! AQUILA! Y U NOT DO UR JERBS!

Plane thread?

>>15733062

>>15733075

>Flak everywhere
>Enemy on my six
>Right engine on fire
>A-10's face when

God, I love the A-10. Lose half the damn bird and you still got a working machine.

>>15732969
U GIEV AIR COVER NOW PLOX
I REPORT YU
HUEHUEHUEHUE

>>15733086
Uhh, same as the F-15, which isn't slow.

Best plane fo all time reporting in.

>>15733118

WILL YOU SHITCUNTS FUCK UP WITH THE JUNGLE TALK! WE'RE A PROFESSIONAL FUCKING UNIT AND WE'RE DOING IT THE PROFESSIONAL WAY- BY BLOWING UP EVERY FUCKING THING WE SEE!

FUCK! WHERE'S MY FUCKING TORNADO, I NEED TO FUCK UP SOME WANKERS WITH DURANDALS! AND IF THOSE EGOTISTICAL SHITSTAIN BLACK ACE FUCKFACES SHOW UP, I'LL RAM THEIR OWN AN/APG-76 RIGHT UP THEIR ARSES!

>>15733167
Not McCleachy enough, and your Tornado is at the bottom of the South Atlantic

>>15733137

The Eagle can lose a wing and maintain lift. But what if it loses an entire engine, and half the control surfaces, in addition to that wing?

The Mud Hen is a good ground-attack aircraft, but it has a different role from the Hog- one is for high-speed strikes with a heavy warload, the other is dedicated loitering CAS.

>>15733186
Hey fuckhead, if the A-10 loses a wing it will crash, The F-15 doesn't/

>>15733137

>Survivability
>F-15 AS GOOD AS A-10

>>15733186
The A-10 has a piss poor CAS record, huge amount of friendly fire incidents.

The british REFUSED to put the extra fuel bins on their Chally 2 in DS2 because they knew the Americans would misidentify them. One armoured unit flat out refused to participate in an operation until their air cover was run by someone other then the yanks.

>>15733194

>A-10
>Loses Wing
>"Hey, I still got the tail"

>F-15
>Loses wing
>"FUCK, FUCK, FUC-crash"

>>15733156
Super Hornet was here, Falcon sucks balls.

The F-16 is popular because it's cheap, like a $2 whore.

>>15733203
F-15 is better then the A-10.

>>15733218
Sorry bro, but the A-10 can't fly without a wing.

>>15733229

>F-15 IS KING OF BIRDS

Wow, this thread just gotta a whole lot less interesting.

>>15733221
And the superhornet is asthmatic and overweight, much like your mom.

ANYTHING YOU CAN DO I CAN DO BETTER!

>>15733212

>One armoured unit flat out refused to participate in an operation

Ok, even if the A-10 operators were as bad as you say, WHAT FUCKING UNIT THINKS IT CAN JUST 'OP-OUT' OF AN OPERATION?

"Hey, steve? Yeah, I don't feel like going out today, so I'm not going on patrol, that alright with you?"

>>15733248
It is a Commander's prerogative in the British Army to protect those under him and point out flaws in an operational mission to those running it. He would have been remiss in his duties had he blindly followed orders.

It's why the British armed forces are more effective then the US ones, which just say yes sir, no matter how stupid the plan is.

>>15733248

It's a bit different if, say, a Brit Major tells a US Major that 'support will be pulled unless we get someone less like to fuck up our chaps'.

>>15733233

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Hornets Suck" bullshit that's going on in the Firestorm system right now. Hornets deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Hornet from Boeing for ¥2,747,640,000 (that's about $35,000,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut Su-35's out of the sky.

McDonnell Douglas and now Boeing Engineers spend months working on a single Hornet and fold the steel, titanium, aluminum and composite a hundred times to produce the finest Hornets in the skies.

Hornets are thrice as good as Tomcats and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a MiG can do, a Hornet can do better. I'm pretty sure a Hornet could easily top Mach 2 without even putting on the afterburners.

Ever wonder why the World never bothered conquering the US? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Hornet jockeys and their F/A-18's of destruction. Even in the Cold War, the government targeted the men with the Hornets first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Hornets are simply the best plane that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the Firestorm system. Here is the stat block I propose for Hornets:

F/A-18E Super Hornet:
TL: 7
Cost: $2,500
Maintenance: 130
MAX AS: 30
Damage Points: 28
Maneuver: -2/-3
Aerobatics 2/1
Defense: 18/16
Climb Rate: 4/2
Operational Ceiling: 20
Dive Rate: 3/4/6/7
Hardpoints (P/E/I): 6/9/0
Gun: 1x 20mm M16A1 (6 Barrels)

Now that seems a lot more representative of the military power of Hornets in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Hornets need to do more shit in Firestorm, see my new stat block.

>>15733260

>It's why the British armed forces are more effective then the US ones

....two seconds, I need to go grab /k/. They're not going to believe this.

>>15733242
Bitches don't know...

>>15733260
>It's why the British armed forces are more effective then the US ones, which just say yes sir, no matter how stupid the plan is.

STUPID, STUPID CAPITALISTS

YOU ARGUE AND ARGUE OVER WHICH WEAK AMERICAN PLANE IS BETTER WHEN YOU FORGET THAT THE SOVIET AIR FORCE ALREADY HOLDS THE WORLD'S BEST FIGHTER.

I GIVE YOU THE SUKHOI SU-35. 22 METERS LONG WITH A 15 METER WING SPAN AND THE MOST BEAUTIFUL NECK THIS SIDE OF THE VOLGA. SHE CAN OUT FIGHT, FLY, AND FUCK ANYTHING YOUR "DEFENSE CONTRACTORS" CAN PRODUCE.

AND ALL THIS TALK ABOUT "SURVIABILITY" YOU NEED TO FLY WITH ONE WING, YOU NEED TO FLY WITH ONE ENGINE, EH? HOW ABOUT YOU NEED TO FLY WITH A DILDO SHOVED UP YOUR ASS, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW ALL OF YOU SOUND TO MINE EARTS.

>>15733218
*cough*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LveSc8Lp0ZE

Speaking as someone currnetly undergoing selection to join the British Army, allow me to say that the UK's armed forces are far, far worse than the USA's.

It's not just a case of size (although it does give you pause when you realise that there are more men in the US Marine Corps than there are in Britain's army, navy, and air force combined!). The British army has been afflicted by chronic underfunding, and what money we do have is squandered by abominable procurement policies. For a time we tried to spin this as an advantage, "punching above our weight" and snottily disparaging better-equipped armies with "all the gear and no idea", but in the last few years that's been exposed as the puffed-up arrogance that it was. Strategically the British Army also leaves a lot to be desired - we went into Iraq boasting that we would show the Americans how COIN was done properly, with all of our experience in Ulster... and then failed, miserably, totally, incorrigibly, in Basra - we haven't had as black a stain since Singapore 1942.

Hey (MiG-15) Faggots,

My name is F-86 Sabre, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are communist, retarded, shit jets who spend every second of their day being piloted by Marxist-Leninists and their cronies. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you won any major wars? I mean, I guess it's fun looking almost exactly like me, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than your performance under the Egyptians in the Suez Canal Crisis.

Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was the first swept-wing fighter of the United States, and starter during the Korean War. What roles have you played, other than "Ground-controlled interception"? I also get a 10:1 kill ratio against you, and have a woman pilot at the controls (She just broke the sound barrier in me; Shit was SO cash). You are all Faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.

Pic Related: It's me and Lt. Col. Jacqueline Cochran, first woman to break the sound barrier.

>>15733372
It's ok to not be as good at killing people as the USA. That's not a thing you need to feel ashamed of.

>implying Cameron will let the RAF exist for longer than another 3 years.

>>15733343
Poor IVAN impersonation is poor /k/omrade.

>>15733386

Dammit, always wanted to do that but never had the time...

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Pipes or GTFO" bullshit that's going on in Firestorm right now. Super Sabres deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine F-100C from North America for $50,000 (that's about 1,200,000 rubles) and have been practising at Red Flag for 2 years now. I can even cut down Navy F-14's with my Super Sled.

North America spend months working on a single F-100 and crank the wings over a hundred times in order to make the fastest interceptor possible

F-100s are thrice as good as MiGs and thrice as adaptive as well. Anything a Fresno can do, an F-35 can do twice as good. I'm pretty sure a single F-100 can cut through the entire PVOs stock of Fagots in seconds then bomb all their airfields.

Ever wonder why the North Vietnamese never invaded the US? That's right, they were too scared to fight against the disciplined F-100 flyboys and their Sleds of doom and destruction. Even during Linebacker, NVA pilots would target the F-100 escorts first because they feared their killing power.

So what am I saying? F-100s are simply the best plane that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the Firestorm system. Here is the stat block I propose for the F-100:

F-100D Super Sabre:
TL: 5
Cost: $370
Maintenance: 40
MAX AS: 22
Damage Points: 22
Maneuver: -2/-2
Aerobatics 1/0
Defense: 14/13
Climb Rate: 3/3
Operational Ceiling: 15
Dive Rate: 2/3/5/7
Hardpoints (P/E/I): 2/4/0
Gun: 4x 20mm M39 cannons

Now that seems a lot more representative of the military power of F-100s in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = F-100s need to be rebalanced for Firestorm, see my new stat block.

>>15733390

Screw all this modern bullshit. I want a Lightning. Or a Spitfire.

>>15733412
Real men fly He-162s.

Royal Marines are better then the USMC.

>>15733242
WTF IS THIS.

WTF.

That isn't an F-16. Why isn't that an F-16?

I am confused. :( Why you do this, 389th?

>>15733390

You do need to feel ashamed of not being able to accomplish the mission objectives that you set yourselves, though.

If there's a thread-thin silver lining to this whole farrago, our humiliating defeat in Basra and the needlessly difficult struggle in Afghanistan, which hasn't had to be half as troublesome as it is, has given the Army a much-needed kick up the backside and will mean that the next generation conducts itself a lot better.

We still haven't got two farthings to rub together, though.

>>15733372
Speaking as somone who ALSO underwent selection to join the british army (why so many of us on /tg?) allow me to say that your threat assessment is all fucked up.

The only reason i even considered joining the amry under the previous labour government is exactly BECAUSE it was not "all gear and no idea" and not like the us marines.

Allow me to list some home truths:
- The US isnt going to invade us and if it did we'd nuke them.
- Bigger does not allways equal better, the americans may have quantity and also a reasonable quality, and i agree that we have cannot match that. But we dont have to. We're a small country, and we are actually capable of policing our boarders, unlike the yanks.
- All majour armies are underfunded
- British soldiers are actual riflemen unlike the yanks, and that is a result of gear.
- Dont worry, americas economy will collapse when the dollar is rejeted as the international trading standard.
- China strong!!1
- Britain and the commonwealth countries are more or less the same country
- Britain probably has the best tactical geographical assets after the US
- Dont worry, i'm pretty sure we'll never have another war because we're all but bought and payed for by the EU in all but name

>>15733465
Fuck you dad, I've got new toys now.

Sorry America, until you make a sexier plane then this, my loyalty belongs to the French.

(Who, incidentally, know how to fight and win bush wars and insurgencies, unlike you.)

>>15729555
>Gutsy, on the verge of ignorant of his own mortality.

Every combat pilot ever.

>>15733507
The Rafale, the plane the JSF whishes it could be.

US Navy is going to suck when it upgrades, should just by Rafale Cs instead of the Joint Strike Failure.

>>15733507

>(Who, incidentally, know how to fight and win bush wars and insurgencies, unlike you.)

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Indochina_War
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu

Vous colère frère?

>>15733526
You'll note they saw a lost cause and pulled out, handing the Vietnam conflict to the Americans who thought they could do better.

>>15733534

>You'll note they saw a lost cause and pulled out
>lost cause
>lost

Doesn't sound like winning a bush war and insurgency, brah

Course, in the French mindset/world-view running away = winning, so I think they can be forgiven for that.

>>15733372
>how COIN was done properly
>Ulster...

There's your problem right there, mate.

What about Algeria?

In the 1962 referendum, the majority of Algerians actually voted to remain with France - but de Gaulle cast it off anyway.

Then hundreds of thousands of pied-noirs were massacred by the post-colonial government.

Real classy guys.

>>15733553

QED.

>>15733474
>the needlessly difficult struggle in Afghanistan, which hasn't had to be half as troublesome as it is, has given the Army a much-needed kick up the backside and will mean that the next generation conducts itself a lot better.

The fact that America is even *in* Afghanistan, and is dragging its allies along for the show, is a sign they haven't learned anything from Vietnam.

I hope your brass ends up having more common sense, but I doubt it.

>>15733582

Afghanistan will make a lot more sense in 10 years when China and India, both thirsty for oil, start being able to project power in the way the US can.

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game

>>15733657

"Project power the way the US can" means parking a couple of carriers in the Persian Gulf, not dropping SpecOps-optimized infantry in the one country that cant be conquered ever.

Which I suppose explains Iraq.

>>15733549
>>15733549
you mean one of the best military records ever?

HATERS

GONNA

HATE

>>15733582

It is possible to win in Afghanistan, despite the commonplaces of armchair generals and cliché-spouting hacks. Soviet woes in Afghanistan owe as much to Stinger missiles as they do to the Wiley Pathans(TM), and what everyone forgets is that after the Retreat From Kabul (which was a result of the weakness of British command than any inherent strength in the Afghan position) Nott and Pollock kicked Afghan tush and sent them wailing all the way back to Kabul, where the British levelled the Soukh in a ceremony of superiority - it's just that a change of government back home prevented this victory being capitalised on. Military success being undermined by political prevarication... an all too familiar story, I'm afraid.

>>15736176

>>(which was a result of the weakness of British command than any inherent strength in the Afghan position)

I have to admit, it really didn't help that the Kabul garrison was commanded by a man who was LITERALLY SENILE.

>>15734324
Musketeer's new bird never looked so good.

Oh shit its Mercs and Planes while at Basic Training!

>>15738033
Damn...didn't get my tag right...ah well. In AIT right now and getting to enjoy P&M. All is right with the world.

>>15737738

They have a Kfir C.1 though, no canards, no dogtooth on the wings, and the nose is slightly different.

>>15738056
So they have a Mirage 3.

Oh shit, Walt is dead! WALLLLTTT!

>Hammer: You come to underneath a parachute, drifting down in the darkness, the roars of jet engines nearby.
>Walt: You do not.

Khornelog- It thirsts

>>15739253
You know, Hammer and Jamail are both gaining a reputation... Planes die around them, they walk away.

>>15739261

Fossil = Boris?

.... uh oh. He better not fly on the wing of another bomber then. Just sayin'.

>>15739196

More a Mirage 5 with an F-4 Phantom engine crammed in it.

>>15739295

Well, it's okay to fly on his wing just.....not in his plane. By the time he upgrades that Badger will reek of blood.

>>15734060
>>15734066
>>15734077
i like what i see ^^

>>15728532
next time we meet one, we fuck him with falcon punch from the F15 ! I SWEAR !!

>>15733386

Badger bit the bullet?

>>15745831
It didn't! That crazy fucking Iraqi brought the Coke Bottle Express home!

>>15745965
On his last and final pass, no less.

Quote:
>First landing attempt: 10.
>Second attempt: 9.
>Third: 4.
>Last chance for safety: 2

Fossil IS the main protagonist of Firestorm. There can be no doubt about it.

>>15746500
No.

Hammer is. Man has crashed his plane, and been shot out of two others.

Walks away every times.

>>15746500
What's Crutches then?

Musketeer got blown to shit on first mission. Came back swinging in Granite Harvest.

Warfrog is just the Grim Reaper in the body of a fiery Quebecquoise.

>>15746703
Hartmann re-incarnated.

/Sorry Hamlet.

>>15746715
Fossil is not a main character! His plane is. As is Bison hotrod 'o Death, Akula Flanker, and Voodoo that you do do.

>>15746609
He 'crashed' his plane. The first time it was working perfectly fine and was undamaged until he slammed it into the deck.

Fossil received significant damage to his airframe and then LANDED his plane.

After completing his mission.

On two separate occasions.

I laughed at the pipe, and howled at the paintjob.

Then it shot down two cats...

Uggh, the Kattes are insuferable these days.

>>15746878
You guys started it, we just upped the tempo.