Why isn't Pakistan on the amp? I thought we decided they were the fourth world power.

Add updated map

Can anyone calculate the new water level around the world?
Wouldn't the new coast lines have to deal with massive floodings, because some big waves would be coming crushing towards them?

Just for the timeline, I guess it would take some years to recover from that kind of damage...

Here's the new climate. Second gulf stream comes from the persian gulf and heads up to mongolia, which is all of a sudden prime farmland

added moar places

>>14707485
for our purposes, water at sea level is just suddenly there. It doesn't make any less sense than disappearance based on arbitrary political boundaries.

>>14707461

Eh, so, why exactly would Denmark and Sweden leave the EU to "avoid war" with Canada? I mean, Denmark would probably just give Greenland if Canada really want it, and why ally with Norway and Iceland when they're already part of the EU with France and Germany?

>>14707512
why would brazil own all of south america?

>>14707485
With landmasses gone, sea level would lower. You'd still have some tsunami's, though.

The Caribbean should act as a military base for the Anglonic military forces, methinks.

2nd mongolian empire?

> my my canada, you look awfuly straight

>>14707529
Not ALL of South America, look closely at the Falklands.

>>14707529

because Brazil is the preeminent power in South America. who is going to stop them?

>>14707548
they are also painted green.

New world map with that's more in line with what people were actually talking about.

OP of original thread said water levels were magically changed in a way that wouldn't cause for massive floods.

Still, I think there should be some sea storms caused by the disappearance of the countries.

>>14707558
most up to date map is MOARPLACES

>>14707498
So how do we call Koreas + Japan?

The Northeaster Archipelago?
Eastasian Union?
Koreapan?
Dainippon?

>>14707568
i think "GUESS WHAT NO PRECIOUS MEXICAN HEAT FOR YOU EUROPE" is basically as much weather upset as we need.

Well, Brazil just declared war on the EU by occupying French Guyana which is a part of the French homeland politically.
Shit's about to get real.

Oh, shit, posted this in the other thread. Here's my map.

>>14707575
I thought that japan was going to have roughly the same status with canada that it currently has with america. Just because North Korea has absolutely no support and suddenly gets it's ass kicked doesn't mean anything else, really.

>>14707575

Grorious Nippon

>>14707575
The Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere
>The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (大東亜共栄圏 Dai-tō-a Kyōeiken) was a concept created and promulgated during the Shōwa era by the government and military of the Empire of Japan. It represented the desire to create a self-sufficient "bloc of Asian nations led by the Japanese and free of Western powers".[1]

Posting the coat of arms of the "Anglo-Norwegian Commonwealth"/"Norsk-angelsaksiske Samvelde".

I think the Eastern european nations around Russia would get fucked up by these events. They would have to turn to piracy in order to get the supplies they need to survive.

>>14707602

>>14707575

Jappogook Empire

>Canada
>a superpower

Oh for pete's sake...both Canada and Mexico are fucked without the United States. Who do you think feeds their economic engines? With the US gone, the Northern American states will flounder. South America, on the other hand, has a real chance now. Argentina in particular might reclaim its once-envisioned status as "World Power" Chile's another possible contender, though without the US/India/China/etc there are no major sectors of manufacturing, no major sectors of finances, research and development. Even something as basic as manufacturing pencils have been severely hampered by the removal of these places.

Because all countries that bordered the removed countries based their economies in large part on the needs of these economic behemoths, we can safely rule out their presence on the world stage; they will have their hands full adjusting to "Life Without Superpowers" which is going to suck for them.

Honestly, there's no real reason for Brazil to actually TAKE OVER the rest of south america. Certainly it's going to be the big power, and if it says jump, other countries say how high... and since it has that, it doesn't NEED to invade, since it's already in charge. The threat of power is more useful than actually following through on those threats, and politicians are going to KNOW THAT.

>>14707634
I agree. Brazil should only control half of SA at most.

Also, how's Mongolia doing now that it's an island?

>>14707663
Well Mongolia is either, a) Fucked due to Chinese military taking over, b) Poor as hell but being helped by the EU, c) A pirate nation, or d) Any combination of those three

>>14707565
thanks mate

Why is Greenland suddenly a part of Canadaland?

>>14707663
They become mongol pirates. You can't get more awesome than that.

>>14707663
as the climate map up there says, the new mild climate makes it MUCH better farmland, so it probably does pretty well for itself.

>>14707631

Canada can sell its resources to any developing or developed party; definitely still a big deal without the US, but definitely always going to be second in line.

Let's not forget why the US is a superpower in the first place ok

>>14707690
because someone herped a derp and decided that countries were just going to start occupying each other wily nily without the US to keep them in check.

>>14707631

OP should have gave the backstory of the Canada-Norwegian Empire.

Short version:
>All US and UK military forces outside of their countries, as well as other civilian institutions/etc move to Canada
>this results in takeover of Canada
>lots of Anglo nationalism
>Closest relative to the Royal Family is Norwegian monarchy
>Norwegian monarchy becomes new British monarchy, resulting in an Anglo/Norwegian empire

>Canada has lots of resources and space to begin with, and now is home to the remaining US and UK military forces
>Canada is also the seat of the reincarnated Glorious British Empire

That clear things up a bit?

mongol pirates

>>14707687

Resources yes, space no. Canada is largely uninhabitable. Imagine Alaska, except its an entire country. Of tundra.

At best Canada is a "Quality over Quantity" sort of place. It's got good manufacturing centers, good R&D centers, one of the more modernized military powers, etc. Something crazy like 85% of Canada is trackless i.e you can't get from point a to point b via road.

I think there should be a second South American superpower to rival Brazil. How about Argentina?

>>14707716
I highly doubt the remnants of the militaries specially the US would accept another royal family as their rulers.
I think that the UK soldiers would proclaim quicker a republic than change allegiances to norway, there is no intrinsic need to have a king

>>14707724
Do the Mongol pirates include remnants of the Chinese and Russian military?

>>14707735
How about a commie alliance lead by Cuba and Venezuela?

>>14707733
It WAS uninhabitable, but the massive climate changes warm the south up quite a bit.

>>14707716
>Norwegian monarchy becomes new British monarchy, resulting in an Anglo/Norwegian empire
I still disagree with this. While the norwegian monarchy could still claim the British crown, Norway is firmly into the European sphere and has more in common with Sweden and Finland who are part of the European Federation.

I agree with Canada becoming the new anglo-saxon empire, but Norway joining them and Greenland being annexed? I don't think that's feasible.

There would be mass unemployment everywhere, the pressure on the established governments would be huge.

>>14707750
Why of course. But if I'm not mistaken, it's been stated that many of the Russian remnants join the European forces.

>>14707752
I would agree with this. Cuba has the 2nd largest army in the Western Hemisphere after Brazil, and is best buds with Venezuela. Also, the Cuban army actually has battle experience fomenting communist revolutions in Latin America and Africa, so they would likely try to rapidly expand.

>>14707741
The TAKEOVER by US and UK isn't quite correct, it's more that they migrate to canada and SUPPLEMENT what canada already has. Canada is still canada, and their head of state is still constitutionally the british monarch, and the british monarch is now King Harald III / V.

>>14707763
Indeed, after all the reason why the US, Canada and UK teamed up was their anglo descent, Norway doesn't fit anywhere in the scheme

>>14707779
Cuba was serving as a mercenary nation, I thought.

>>14707787
It doesn't fit in, but norway isn't going to complain about the association.

This doesn't make much sense... Wouldn't the 'anglo empire' and EU unite in some kind of a neo-nato structure? They would definitely become closest allies.

>>14707787
Yeeeah, Norway doesn't really make sense being part of the Anglos. Should stay with the EU or form the Scandinavian alliance.

>>14707763
I agree. There's basically 0 chance that all 70 people ahead of the Norweigan line are all in Britain at once, so I'm sure at least one of them would become king/queen.

4chan is herping a derp, can someone grab the blank map from the old thread so I can make brazil not-retarded?

>>14707797
They are allies.

>>14707759

Countered by the fact that most of that now warmed-up south Canada is underwater due to flooding. Canada isn't going to be a global superpower with the US, it's certainly not going to be one with it gone when feeding the US was its major claim to fame. With all these modern superpowers literally out of the picture, everything old is new again; all of the original balances of power come back into play: Europe controlling everything in the Americas sans the USA, pretty much Europe controlling everything again.

>>14707782
I still find that highly unlikely, isn't there any member of the british royal family living in Ireland/Canada/Australia, their succession lines is freaking long and I still highly doubt they would choose a family of a foreign culture just because "lol monarchy", this isn't the medieval times were another royal family can claim the throne just because some bloodlines

>>14707806
it's not THAT unfeasible that they'd all be in the disappearing countries, and having norway in it is kind of fun.

>>14707818
It isn't medieval times, which is why the royal succession is governed by constitution. Norway isn't IN CHARGE of this, they're just happy to have an excuse to come along for the ride.

How about Canada and Norway get in a conflict over this whole Anglo monarch thing and end up splitting Greenland?

>>14707790
yes, but on second thought, that doesn't make too much sense. A communist state that has been trying to spread its ideology for 50 years suddenly decides to just start selling its services to the highest bidder? It would be much more likely that with the US gone, they finally seize their chance to try to spread communism like they always wanted.
Also, because of the rest of the worlds' general distrust of Cuba, they would be relatively self-sufficient and probably among the countries most capable of taking advantage of the massive economic crisis that would occur. Them becoming mercenaries makes far less sense.

>>14707813
Honestly I don't see big rivalries between the remaining powers, I doubt Canada, Europa and Scandinavia would be rivals, and even Brazil as pretty close ties to Europe through Portugal

>>14707839
they get into a conflict... and then they split up DANISH territory? You just herped about a million derps there buddy.

gonna update the map, so need some answer's to these

>EU: 1 big country, or still th0e smaller countrys?

>Norweigens: EU or Anglos?

>South America: 2nd Country/faction?

>Japan/Korea: yes to name?

>>14707843
Yeah, we need some more factions. How about a series of Eastern European renegade nations?

Brazil is the worlds whore they'll side with whoever has the most money.

>>14707841
yeah, cuba is one of the few countries ACTUALLY remotely likely to start any wars. I suspect they start "spreading communism" almost immediately, and as everyone else is dealing with the emergency, the most powerful country with an immediate interest in STOPPING THAT SHIT is mexico.

>>14707854

>EU: 1 big country, or still th0e smaller countrys?

I think still the smaller.

>Norweigens: EU or Anglos?

I'm neutral on this.

>South America: 2nd Country/faction?

Yes. How about Communist Cuba?

>Japan/Korea: yes to name?

Yeah.

The whole thing is pants on head retarded, you should probably just make it clear that you don't intend to make a realistic setting in the first place.

>>14707843

Yeah man those Europeans won't go back to their warmongering ways now that Uncle Sam isn't looking over their shoulders. They've only spent over a thousand years fighting amongst themselves.

Give it 20 years with this new paradigm, we'll see the British Empire going up against a German Reich. Maybe France, but almost certainly German.

Wasn't this supposed to be a game setting?

>>14707888
Try to get support for a war at the home front when France threatens to nuke your major cities.

>>14707512
Not "possible EU" N. Africa is going to be eu whether they like it or not with the mass migration of Germans and French into their countries fleeing the cold.

I assume South America would be splintered between to spheres, one Western aligned led by Brazil and one Communist lead by Cuba.

How about Israel guys how do you think they would fare? Would they aligned with the EU, start military campaigns to become the supreme ruler of the ME or would they be overwhelmed by their Arab neighbours ?

What do you think about splitting up the Anglo-American empire? The concept of the US army being even remotely OK with serving the British (or Norwegian) King seems absolutely absurd to me.
It would make more sense if the UK troops go to Canada as before, but the US soldiers are split between a small group that go to Canada, and a larger group that decide to proclaim their independence and seize Iraq and Afghanistan as their new country. A sort of American military dictatorship along the lines of the Crusader states from back in the day, with an almost feudal structure as different generals claim their own city-states.

>>14707913
>>14707913
>>14707913
>>14707913

I like this idea. Didn't someone suggest a military nation made up of US forces in the first thread?

>>14707854
Norway will not joint the EU any time soon so EU owning Norway is unlikely.Norway would most likely not join Canada if Harald V/Haakon VIII becomes king of the UK/Commonwealth, it would most likely be just a Personal union like the one Norway had with Sweden and not an Unified Kingdom.

>>14707854
still need moar replys to this

>>14707913
I can see the Americans being loyal to canada, and canada as a whole being MODERATELY loyal to the monarchy, at least enough to stick by norway if the EU tries to start any shit.

What are we trying to come up with, by the way? Is it the world soon after the superpowers disappear, or the major factions 10-20 years down the line.

Also, I kind of like the idea of the US troops taking control of Iraq, but expand that to including their allies in the region. It will give something for Israel to do (the EU isn't too crazy about supporting them militarily), and it might include Saudi Arabia as a dubious partner.

When do we colonize Mars and launch the first interplanetary war for humanity?

>>14707913
I like this.
Seems much more likely.

>>14707913

If the civil war had gone the right way that wouldn't seem strange to you. Fucking US, just a bunch of outlaws.

About the Korean and Japanese situations I doubt they would unify, Koreans and Japanese hate each other.

What's more likely is North Korea taking this chance to attack the south and one of them would emerge victorious (north most likely) and then they enter in some kind of cold war with japan.
Or even japan try to make that both sides mutually destroy themselves so that they can be the sole ruler of the region

My own attempt at the map, Dark colors represent actual entities and light colors represent spheres of influence. Not sure what to do about cuba, because they really couldn't subjugate anything outside the Caribbean.

>>14707946
Not anytime soon.

>>14707950

The right way? What?

Mexico should be a warzone, with fighting going on between the Canadians, Cubans and Brazilians.

>>14707950

>Confederates win the Civil War
>???
>United States is now a patchwork of fiefdoms

One doesn't lead to the other.

>>14707854
1: Split EU into France+low countries, Germany+Austria, Scandinavian Union, and possibly a new South Slav coalition of Bulgaria and the former Yugoslavia. They're all still nominally part of the EU and friendly, but there are tensions and it's not a truly unified alliance.
3: Definitely 2 factions at least; Brazil who are invading their neighbours, especially to the south, and Cuba+Venezuela+Nicaragua who are leading the charge for communism into eastern Mexico, Central America, and the north part of South America.
3: The Japan/Korea name is OK, but you should throw Taiwan in there too since it was part of Japan for a long time and they'd want it back.

>EU: 1 big country, or still th0e smaller countrys?
Still smaller but more centralized, something akin to the Holy Roman Empire.

>Norweigens: EU or Anglos?

Neutral, I doubt any side would attempt to invade them so they can remain as they are now

>South America: 2nd Country/faction?
Cuba/Venezuelan led red sphere


>Japan/Korea: yes to name?
As I said I doubt they would unit, at best they would make a partnership but still remain independent nations

>>14707946

2156.

I'm from the future, I should know this.

now with more americans

GUYS

GUYS

WHAT IF

THE SUPERPOWERS DISAPPEARED

AND THIS HAPPENED
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emberverse_series

>>14708035
I like this map best. needs more Cuba though.

>>14707854
>Japan/Korea: yes to name?
East Sea Island Alliance

You mean super powers disappearing and the world been thrown to the medieval ages?

That's so retarded that as potential to be awesome

By civil war, I think he means the American Revolution (unless super slave British man a go go?). We lose that, we're perfectly alright with serving the crown.
>urient HARWOOD,
I won't touch that, captcha. Talk to /d/.

>>14708049
The thing is, Cuba might have some IMMEDIATE success, but is pretty much guaranteed to be beaten down eventually.

Also, have Pakistan and Bangladesh form 1 country. They were both 1 country until the 70's when things got tense because of the Cold War, but with the world going to hell and few people they can trust, they'd probably get back together to watch each others' backs.

>>14708057
Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

>>14708080
Good point, i'll include that in the next version.
Any though on what should be in the pakistan sphere of influence in southeast asia and oceana?

>>14708078
By who? Brazil who hasn't fought in any wars except against itself? Anglo-Canadians who haven't been able to take Cuba while the US was a superpower? And Cuba has 1.2 million soldiers which could probably keep Canada from committing to a war unless they really had to.
Also, don't forget that with the world economy going to shit, people are going to be desperate. Cuba is going to see successes because communism will be much more appealing than starving to death. It worked for Lenin in WWI.

Far east Europe and Mongolia be filled with poverty and pirates.

Yar.

>>14708103
slowpoke.jpg

that's actually the current name. Good old WWII imperialism.

>>14708105
To be honest not much, the problems they have down would still remain after this happened, so the country would still be in a shitty position


What about Iran? I assume they would start expanding, (attacking israel, etc..)

Note that neither mexico or cuba are truly great powers, but their probable semi-hot war with each other needed to be marked down

Did Tibet disappeared with the rest of China or does it remain?(With a sizeable part of the Chinese military)

>>14708128
Both of them end up with milder climates and in a few years have enough farmland to support themselves. Honestly, we end up with not very many cold places.

>>14708186
that looks pretty good. I just realised how screwed Bangladesh would be, since the entire country is basically the Ganges river delta, and with India and China gone, the Ganges is now just the pacific ocean....so their entire country is now salty worthless farmland

now with cuban influence in venuzuela

Am I the only one who is curious what was the fate of the superpowers? I would find kind of amusing if they were thrown into a completly alien setting (dunno let's say Warmachine, 40k, a plane of magic,etc...)

>>14708186
Excellent map. This is shaping up well.

>>14708229
great fishing though

>>14708238
I hope something like this

http://subterraneanpress.com/index.php/magazine/spring2007/fiction-missile-gap-by-charles-stross/

>>14708238
They're all in hell.

And in a thousand years they shall rise from the seas and bring upon the greatest of battles.

>>14708234
dont forget south africa

Now for Africa:
There would probably be 2 regional powers
South Africa because it's by far the wealthiest and most industrialised
Nigeria because it has a huge population and most of the African oil, as well as the ability to expand to the relatively rich countries along the west coast

>>14708285
Yeah, South Africa would probably end up seizing the southern half of africa.

>>14708234
Could you add Svalbard to the map? I hate it when it isnt included.

Mexico is in the commonwealth's sphere of influence, but is on it's own in it's lukewarm war against cuba, which is mostly fought in central america. That's what the pink border is representing. Also updated south africa and singapore.

>>14708268
this

united military of China-USA-UK-India-Russia fighting demons.

>>14708258
I've got that in paperback. Would actually be interesting how contemporary humanity deals with those hivemind hyper termites with good enough genetic engineering to go all body snatchers on us.

Wouldn't South Africa be aligned with Canada due the commonwealth, we could have africa split between europe(north) and Anglo Empire(south)

>>14708310
I was going to suggest making Venezuela fully under Cuban control, mainly because 1: Castro and Chavez are best buddies, and 2: Cuba needs a relatively powerful ally to be any challenge to Brazil

>>14708314
Already been done.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheSalvationWar

It's a surprisingly good read.

>>14708331
I don't think they would. First, South Africa has always had a tumultuous relationship with the Commonwealth ever since they were kicked out over apartheid. Second, I doubt a country that's primarily black would want to swear loyalty to the whitest king ever (Norwegian guy). Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are all similar culturally, but South Africa would probably feel no loyalty to any of them now that the UK is gone.
They'd still be relatively close diplomatically, but likely a different faction.

africa should be split into:
anglo south africa and annexed lands near it

EU west africa

independant african power

smaller nations

>>14708357
So it's like an Darksiders where humanity as actually a chance to fight back?

Good lord, I might actually buy this just out of curiosity

How does the middle east react? There's a lot of places that would consider this a blessing.

I mean shit what is Israel going to do when they find out their biggest ally has vanished? They've got nooks pointed at everyone.

>>14708367
>>14708367

>>14708290
STOP IT, I CAN ONLY ADD SO MANY COLORS.

>>14708385
Iraq is still heavily influenced by American military forces.

>>14708377
I think Nigeria controlling all the coastal countries from Liberia to Cameroon would be a good faction, and then South Africa taking its immediate neighbours and working its way up the east coast. The EU has everything from Mauritania to Egypt
The interior countries in the Sahara, the Congo, and Sudan, Ethiopia, etc. are all too difficult to occupy so no one has really made progress into them yet.

>>14708379
Yeah, because the writer guy took the bible literally. But rather than going as fundies go, he takes it that when some tribesmen consider something 'all powerful', it really just means its moderately strong. Just enough to impress shitheaded primitives.

Imagine how those same primitives would view a modern fighter jet, for instance.

>>14708357
Chapter 41 of Pantheocide lays out just how multinational the war really is:The Salvation War was a truly multi-national enterprise. That was why sub-munitions made in South Africa were delivered to China for installation in 227mm rockets that were shipped in Greek freighters to Hell where they were issued to American MLRS batteries that gained their mobility from oil that had been drilled in Saudi Arabia and refined in Singapore before being carried by Norwegian tankers to Dutch-built storage facilities on the shores of Hell. Early in the war, at least three economists were reputed to have committed suicide after trying to work out how to pay for everything.
Good lord, I might actually buy this just out of curiosity>>14708379

>>14708417
it's not just occupation, it's largely just spheres of influence with countries knowing that if they DO step out of line they're getting invaded. You don't need to occupy countries if they're scared enough of you.

>>14708385
It's basically US forces in Iraq/Afghanistan + Israel + the Saudis (who aren't very happy about this alliance) vs. the Pakistanis who are in a tenuous alliance with Iran.
The US/Israel have the advantage in military technology and infrastructure, but the Pakistanis and Iranians are far more popular among the people and have a much larger if poorly trained army.
In other words, total clusterfuck

>>14708445
ah, ok, I gotcha. I was wondering if you were going to leave any totally neutral countries when all of Africa got taken over by one of the 3 powers, but that explains it.

>>14708435
>at least three economists were reputed to have committed suicide after trying to work out how to pay for everything.

How deliciously grimdark.

>>14708357
So it's basically Spellcross?

As for SE asia, Indonesia would probably be closely allied with Pakistan since they are the 2 largest Muslim nations, respectively. The rest is a 3-way brawl between Pakistan, Japan, and Anglo-America

After finishing up the details of what powers control what, how about we work on a timeline, big conflicts and other such stuff?

>>14708543
>timeline

That would be a bit complicated, but it would probably be necessary to explain how all these new powers got formed.

Someone places this on /tg/ wiki

>>14708592
Shit, someone archive this! I'm loving this thing.

Anyone have any other ideas for new powers? Also, what would happen to the U.N.?

>>14708500
japan is in the commonwealth sphere of influence: they had it good with the USA, and they have it good with Canada. Japanese influence is roughly the same as Commonwealth influence.

Meant to upload this with my last post

>>14708357
Oh dear, started reading this and this is so amusing and retarded.
Satan announces his invasion of earth and the british just shudder it with a joke ?
Singapore policemen beating a demon to death because he littered when he landed?

Pure gold

I still think Mongolia and Eastern European nations should be poor pirate nations with some farmland later on. Elements of the Russian and Chinese militaries should also be involved.

>>14708673
they really don't have time to set up organized piracy before they have enough farmland to support themselves. Sure, SOME piracy happens, but then tankers just start avoiding their coasts until things calm down

>>14708673
>>14708673
>>14708673
i agree with this man. Rogue pirate nations are a must.

>>14708627
UN would not exist. And I think we've got all the powers we need.

>>14708633
...Canada has about a quarter of the population of Japan and less than a quarter of GDP.
Sorry, but the whole idea of Canada becoming a superpower is just stupid.

>>14708733
they aren't a superpower: they're a power.

>>14708732
THEN LET US BEGIN CREATING A TIMELINE!

I believe that immediately after the great disappearance there would be a five-year global chaos or something with riots and minor rebellions everywhere.

My work here is done, I'm going to go back to anon-ing.

>>14708788
Sounds about right.

Of course the major world governments would soon put an end to them and begin their rise to power.

A lot of the timeline stuff is independent of each other, the big things, I think, are the middle east, cuba, and the unification of the commonwealth.
I guess a little bit of actual invading in Africa.

IN THE NAME OF THE ANGLO-CANADIAN EMPIRE I DEMAND THESE THREADS BE ARCHIVED!

>>14708845
this

Bumping int he name of the Anglo-Empire.

OK, here's the basic timeline from what I can gather from our last threads:
British and some military forces and go to Canada once the UK and US disappeared. Once they get there, they discover that the British throne has been moved to Ottawa and as the entire British royal family is gone, the King of Norway is elevated to lead the Commonwealth. As a result, they form the Anglo-American Commonwealth made up of Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Norway (and maybe Ireland). It is a rich country with abundant food and mineral resources, a capable military, and is naturally protected by vast oceans, but its industry and trade are limited with the disappearance of the US. In addition, the difficulties of integrating British, US, Canadian, Quebecois, Australian, and Norwegian cultures leaves it with a shaky political climate and in a disorganised state with interests pulling it in different directions. They are peaceful with the EU and Eastern Asia, nominally hostile with Cuba, and neutral with all others.

>>14708984
Now all we need is a game system...

>>14708984
Seizing the initiative with the disappearance of the United States, Cuba has mobilised its reserves and begun a massive invasion of the Caribbean, Mexico, and Central America to spread Communism. It is allied with other far-left Latin American countries, namely Nicaragua and Venezuela which strives to expand its influence in South America. The Caribbean countries quickly fall to Cuba, and most of Central America is nominally under their control. Mexico is being supported by groups from the Anglo-American Commonwealth and though it is losing ground, it has slowed the Cuban advance to a crawl. Tensions with Brazil loom as they both try to expand into Columbia and the Guiana Highlands.
Cuba has been forced to be relatively self-sufficient as a result of the Cold War, and its industry and economy, while weak, are relatively unaffected by the disappearance of the major powers. It's politics are dominated by a single party ruled by a handful of charismatic leaders who are worshiped by much of the people, and its message of Communism solving the world's new problems resonates with the poor throughout Latin America, many of whom are turning against their governments. Cuba has a large military that firmly believe in their mission and are well led, though are armed with outdated weaponry and poorly trained. Cuba is in a great conflict with Mexico and several Latin American countries, and hostile to Brazil and to some extent to the Anglo-American Commonwealth. It has no allies and must seek help from like-minded countries across the Atlantic if either of its neighbours decide to commit to full scale invasion.

>>14709038
let's just get the setting up, and then we can work out the details

>>14709038

Now polling:

So what is the base?
D100? D20?

Soldiers or Agents or something completely different?

Politics only or supernatural or Sci Fi?

Vote now!

First thread has been archived.

>>14709095
I thought it was supposed to be mercenaries...

>>14709095

D20

Soldiers

Realistic, heavy political influence

I believe there should be some schizo tech considering how huge amounts of coal, oil and uranium are gone. Lack of these resources should cause some poorer nations to rely on alternate technology.

>>14709095
Mercenary soldiers who can also act as agents, and a political world with a little bit of wacky stuff.

As a game this has potential to be very bland and boring as well as very awesome.

I think there should be five choices for characters:

Government Agent
Military Soldier
Mercenary/Pirate
Freelance Trader
Spy/Assassin

>>14709078
As the richest and most militarily powerful South American nation, Brazil has begun to flex its imperialistic muscle and started to look to its neighbours to supply what it needs to grow. Largely using political, diplomacy, and economic pressure to force nearby nations into its sphere of influence, they will commit to military action when it is completely necessary. Through a combination of tactics Brazil has secured the Rio de la Plata delta and is further extending South to completely dominate Argentia and Chile. It has recently begun to extend its influence across the Amazon, but is meeting resistance from a rapidly-expanding Cuba. The two countries are all but at war, with the promise of easier rivals to subdue keeping them both focused elsewhere.
While heavily hit economically by the loss of its trade partners around the world, Brazil's vast agriculture has allowed it to avoid the massive famines sweeping the globe and to set up a stable base from which to rebuild its economy. Its successes in gaining territory and favourable agreements from its neighbours have only further strengthened it. Nominally a presidential democracy, elections have been indefinitely suspended and the military is taking a more and more active role in governance, leading to some small scale protests. Its military is the largest in the Western Hemisphere, with slightly outdated but still capable weapons, good training, and decent morale.

>>14709231
Brazil is a major trade-partner of the European Union, and currently in talks with the Anglo-American Commonwealth to greatly expand its commerce there. Though neither country could be considered an ally, they have a good relationship that could grow to include military assistance in the future. Apart from its missions into Argentina and Chile, and the skirmishes with Cuba along its border, Brazil has been seeing its coastal cities raided by pirates from the Africa in recent months, and though most have been pushed back, they are growing in frequency.

>>14709224
I'm digging this. Please go on

>>14709231
>>14709236

>Brazil and Anglos allies
>Brazil most militaristic

Fuck that. Anglo-Empire has the best military and is on the brink of war with Brazil.

>>14709246
Agents work for their governments and go on diplomatic missions. They can help influence world events. They can also act as bodyguards and investigators for their governments.

Soldiers fight for their country. Playing as them is very combat heavy but the risk is low if you're military force is strong and you can strategize well enough. You can be a foot-slogging infantryman, sailor, pilot or officer.

canadafag here, If any of the Royal Family survived they would be the head of state here. Legally speaking they have more political power in this country than in the UK.

All Hail the King and Queen of Canada?

>Canada gets its F-35s delivered just before shit goes down

Fucking giddy with excitement.

>>14709306
Mercenaries are like soldiers, only they don't serve a single country or government. They work for themselves or their small faction. Mercenaries and pirates go where they please and do what they feel like. Risks are very high, however, as many people are out to get you. Combat heavy.

Freelance traders are merchants who work for themselves or a small group. With all the chaos caused by the disappearances, many nations are in a shit state. Traders go around supplying various countries with supplies, weapons and other things. Sort of like an anti-pirate.

>>14709344
Spies and Assassins? I think it's pretty obvious. Stealth based shit involving espionage and murder. Ale to heavily influence world events.

I think there should be specifics for each class. For example; soldiers can choose to be low-ranking officers, generals, naval personal or spec ops troops.

>>14709435
Sounds like a good idea to me.

>The flag of Anglo-Canada

>>14709266
The only reason Brazil has a larger military at the moment is because of the Anglos having difficulty in integrating so many different nations. Once that is accomplished, the Anglos will easily be the predominate power

>>14708642

Holy shit this map is a clusterfuck.

One of the countries worst hit by the disappearance of the great powers, South Africa was struck by food shortages which quickly led to riots in the major cities and ultimately a short-lived civil war. In the end the military was able to put down the revolts in the country and a dictatorship has taken hold of the state. Though the generals in charge rule with an iron fist and executions for opposing the military are common, the rule of law is established and the citizens who choose to give up their freedoms live in comparable safety; a far cry from much of South Africa’s neighbours where endlessly tribal wars, random execution squads, and rape and cannibalism as tools of terror are commonplace. Much of the richer white population fled the country long ago, most going to the EU or Canada. The result is a South Africa that is more ethnically alike than ever, though racial hatreds have only grown as every group seeks to blame the others. Faced with mainly internal problems, South Africa has been unwilling to begin conflicts with its neighbours until recently, but the lack of farmland and a very large military that has grown to enjoy bloodshed has resulted in invasions of several of its neighbours. South African soldiers were able to overthrow the government of Zimbabwe and it has become a vassal state, and troops have already occupied much of Angola and Mozambique even if its people still resist.

>>14709552

Though once rich in gold and diamonds, the fall of the world economy has rendered South Africa with little economic activity of use. Agriculture has vastly expanded as the demand for food still rises, and the cities are full of empty buildings whose tenants have returned to the country. In these desperate times, the sale of labour and slavery are indistinguishable, and many poor workers find themselves accepting years of bondage in exchange for the promise of a meal. To satisfy the need for money and consumer, the government has begun funding corsairs who patrol the seas to capture trade ships and workers for the mines. The industry of the country has is increasing slowly, but captured goods are helping to speed this up. Alone at the edge of the world, South Africa has no allies, but no enemies either. It has relatively good relations with the EU and Anglo-American Commonwealth, primarily due to the many expatriates now living there, and due to the diplomatic downplaying of atrocities committed all across Africa. The closest South Africa has to an enemy is Nigeria, whose corsairs constantly harass its coasts and pillage its farms, always striking when least expected and escaping into the dark. South Africa’s armies are large, if incredibly poorly trained and disciplined; more than capable of seizing rival African countries’ towns, but not mobile enough to deal with the endless Nigerian raids.

>>14709552

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Cabinda

Cabinda would probably rebel in this case. Question is: would South Africa back it as an independent state, or would it get gulped up.

Around now island-nation of Mongolia and Eastern Europe piracy is very common. Raiders attack EU and Pakistan vessels and steal whatever they can. Some shore settlements are even attack by these naval terrors. Most of these pirates are actually supported by their nation's government, almost all of which are suffering from poverty and starvation.

Although farmland is growing, piracy continues. While most of the pirate factions are many and small, belonging to different groups and countries, there is one large and powerful pirate faction from Mongolia. The self proclaimed warlord "Khan" who leads them is fearsome, and other pirate factions have been known to come to his aid when he calls for them.

>>14708764
NO DAMMIT, WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT ANGLO-NORWEGIAN-CANADA IS A SUPERPOWER

READ THE DAMN THREADS

>>14709621
we're just getting the setting started, bro. No country is going to be a superpower right off the bat if the world economy collapses; they all have to work their way back up there.

This all seems somewhat convoluted in the setting to actual gameplay translation, you guys are suggesting that various nations will have to 'work their way up', while players are playing simple soldiers or mercenaries, and while I can see how spies and assassins can influence the world to a degree, it sounds like this is shaping up to be more of an empire builder game.

>>14709709

Pretty sure its just fluff for the most part. I suppose the problem is that we seem to be unsure of what period this is happening. Is this during the initial chaos, during the re-building period or the "hey, let's invade each other for delicious resources".

>>14709709
Don't pay attention to people who say all nations will have to build from scratch.

Anglo-Canada has tons of resources to sell and use internally

EU is already powerful, but is probably focused mostly internally since it is now the "China" in terms of population compared to the rest of the world

Brazil is strong in it's sphere in south america, and isn't under too much threat elsewhere except for the tensions with Anglo-Canada.

Japan-Korea is a more questionable power, but assuming they and Taiwan can feed their people they'll be pretty okay.

I think there could be a dual style of gameplay to this.

Mercenaries and freelance trader would play it like a modern adventure, while agents and spies would influence grand plotlines and fluff.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html
>go to bottom

This thread has been archived. HAIL ANGLONIA!

>>14709813
I think mercenaries and freelance merchants would have a very Rogue Trader feel to them, while assassins and agents more Dark Heresy. Soldiers would be war-based RPG.

When the five most powerful nations disappeared, the world entered chaos. There were global riots, protests and rebellions. Communications all around the world were down, the economy collapsed, and although global flooding had oddly not occurred, the changes in geography caused terrible storms across the seas that ravaged ships and islands.

People were saying that it was the end of times.

Luckily, after a few years the largest remaining world governments began to get the situation under control. The riots stopped, communications were back up, the economy was slowly growing and people were being fed again. The lives of everyone changed forever, yes, but things were no longer as bleak and hopeless as we once thought.

Bumping in the name of pirate-warlord Khan >>14709613

maybe the mong pirates have a councel like in pirates of the carribean

>>14710180
I was thinking something more like the Chaos marines in 40k, specifically the Black Legion, although that would be pretty damn awesome.

GUYS I JUST REALIZED REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT!

We're gonna need a name for this thing.

>>14710282
POWER SHIFT

>>14710311
Yes.

also need a name for when everything disapeard

the flooding?

>>14710311

>>14710440
This has been discussed before. All the water is magically adjusted to avoid any mass floods. However, there are still lots of ocean storms and changes in climate due to the changed geography.

>>14710482
i meant we need a name for the event.

>>14710499
The Disappearance.

...Nah, that sucks. I believe the people would refer to it as That Day, since there's nothing really to call it. Nobody understands what happened or why. It just happened.

>>14710552
How about they refer to it as, well, "It"?

"I remember the day It happened."
"We don't understand It or why It happened. No one does."
"It was the single most shocking event in our world's history."
"It cannot be explained."

okay, so this is a list of the powers...

super powers (established or rising)
>Anglo empire
>EU
>Pakistan
>Brazil

Other powers
>Mexico
>Cuba
>Afghanistan(???)
>Council of mongol pirates(???)
>Nigeria
>South africa

This is fucking awesomesauce. All we need to do it come up with some current events for this world and we can come up with some game ideas.

>>14710624
also, afghan is occupied buy most of the US military right?

>>14710669
Yes it is. Although there's some American forces with the Anglos, and a small amount of pirates/mercenaries also.

This outta have an article on 1d4chan once it's been fleshed-out some more.

>>14710762
i would make it if i knew how

>>14710683
Ahem

The army in Afghanistan has become something of a military dictatorship for that country

But the American forces stationed in less remote parts of the world have more or less flocked to/changed allegiance to the new Canada, along with the British forces stationed abroad.

I would assume there are also a large number of American tourists who are now citizens of Canada.

updated map
>mong pirates
>occupied afghan
>cleaned up some lines

still need to do something for the middle east

>>14711061
Why does Iraq control the Middle East and not Iran, which has nukes?

>>14708238
What if, instead of disappearing without a trace, all these superpowers are now on the ocean floor? As if they're magically suddenly under the ocean, maybe the altitudes reversed or something like that?
So you still have all these natural resources, just... under the new, magically-summoned oceans.
There's no tectonic implications either.

>>14711159
Methought they were teleported to hell.

>>14711159
that's a good idea...could have people going to the sea floor to get more than just resources too.

what about the us millitary base in germany? we have a shit ton of troops there.

>stedly better

Capatcha is right this is betting much cooler as time goes by.

>>14711207
that was just the people in the countrys at the time.

maybe when someone dies in hell, there corpse is teleported to where they were when 'it' happend

>>14711257
wait
i tought that Hell thing was only a joke

>>14711279
i thought it was a good idea, has a lot of potential for RP.

>>14711322
I don't know. The Focus have to be earth, if we insert Hell then i think will become to much of
>hurr durr America defeats hell americafuckyea.jpg

>>14711279
It is...kinda.

It would be what happened, but nobody would ever know so.

>>14711381
Hell should be kept as the place the countries went but you don't get to go there and you never find out that's what happened.

>People fighting through hellish versions of their countries to try and get back to the real world

I smell spin-off...

But seriously, let's stick to Earth. Now we've got to come up with some more fluff.

>>14711385
i mean, i can totally see some Priet of some cult talking about how that 4(or 5?) countries went to hell because of the sins, and trying to start a revolution on some African Country, or in the middle east

american sea nation, fed by piracy.

>>14711393
>>14711381
Hear me out on this

somewhere deep under the ocean, in one of the now submerged countries, is a small entrance to hell. a party could use this to enter hell, and rescue someone/find something of importance. ofcourse, no one knows about it.

yet.

>>14711448
that has potential

Ok, considerating that the countries that were destroyed still exists on the Sea Floor what would happen to the Super Powers and their aproaches on the resources:

Anglo Empire: they have all the USA territory at their disposition so expect alot of uses
EU:They Have Russia, so they're the luckiest in this setting
Pakistan: The Same.
Brazil: So Brazil didn't won nothing, but hear me out. Petrobras is currently the second(or third i'm not sure) biggest oil company, and his rivals are american and chinese, that now are under the sea. So that makes PetroBras the biggest. They have the technology on the PreSalt so while the others factions will take, i don't know, decades, Brazil will lead on the energy side, but after a while they will probally be on second place behind EU

>>14711608
this is also good

needs more strife

I hate when countries just disappear like that, we need a more interesting borders

Petrobras is currently the second(or third i'm not sure) biggest oil company

BP is Dutch and English. And Shell is just plain Dutch.
I'd say the EU might have the edge. At least in the shipping and distribution.

So far as most holdings the American/Saudi SaudiAramco, original name eh?, is at the top. But that is production rather than shipping.

Yeah, I think the "countries sinking to the bottom of the sea" thing would be better. Focus is still on the real world and it opens up some interesting opportunities (deep-sea salvagers).

>>14711898
I think most of them look fine, although Canada can use some jagged edges along with it's new southern coast.

>>14711771
Mongol pirates, Communist Cuba spreading, shitstorm in the Middle east, American Military Crusaders, poverty and starvation in Eastern Europe...

Nah, I think we've got a good amount of strife.

How about Tuareg nomads causing trouble in the Sahara (especially in... Whatever the blue middle-eastern countries are)

>>14716140
I could see quite a few African groups getting in a ruckus over these new powers.

Fuck yeah Tuareg Rebellion

Had my own go at a map.

I know Nigeria has been suggested as having its own little empire, but I'm going to argue against it on the principle that Nigeria would completely collapse after the flood. If any West African country would become a great power, it'd probably be either Ghana or Senegal.

Also added Bolivia and Ecuador to the South American Socialist Alliance because... Well, they're South American and Socialist. And bros with Venezuela.

>>14716870
I suggest making Brazil friend with argentina

>>14717555

Argentina seems like it'd be strong enough to go it alone. I can picture a loose Argentine-Brazillian alliance to fight the Communists in the Amazon jungle. Paraguy would join in as well, methinks.

bump

>>14710282

Iran-Iraq war has some pretty amazing photography.

Wait, what is Iran doing during all of this chaos? Has anyone brought them up yet?

Bump

we could have a help of some writefags