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    509 KB Rising Sons Official Thread Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)18:53 No.14638189  
    So last night, some fag complained about a Japanese-based space marine chapter that probably wasn't even canon and it turned into a discussion about how cool a samurai chapter would be.
    Enter the Rising Sons.
    Here's some features to discuss: Deathwatch Rules. Color scheme (I'm liking the dark blue scheme and the black-and-gold scheme). Fluff, etc.

    Here are some ideas to put out there.
    Their homeplanet is partially governed by the chapter master, referred to as Shogun. It is forever locked in the Sengoku period, where clans constantly war for prestige and honor. The most honorable of warriors are recruited to serve in the Shogun's personal clan and trained to be Rising Sons.
    White Scars geneseed, Space Wolf style of recruitment (new space marines serve as a specific kind of space marine, instead of as scouts. scouts are specially trained. ninjas!)
    Chaplains wrap their heads or helmets in cowls and use power naginatas.
    All Rising Sons carry a wakazashi at all times. It functions as their sidearm, like a combat knife or gladius would.
    Rising Son officers often wear those samurai coats over their armor.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)18:56 No.14638222
    Power Tessen?
    Instead of not wearing a helmet, the higher ups could have that Mempo(?) grinning demon Mark-15 Fondorian Helment, or some shit
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:00 No.14638259
    So what kind of force would they send to a Crusade? Maybe X amount of guardsmen regiments led by a company sized force of Rising Sons led by a Shogun (which would represent a Company Captain) and an honor guard of first company units.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:03 No.14638285
    Each Marine would be assigned a house (each one like the different clans from the Edo period) and if their planet is attacked they must defend that house at all costs. When they are in the regular companies (2-10th) they don't wear back banners but when they're in the 1st company they wear back banners showing what house they belong to.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:04 No.14638290
    The Shogun would be the chapter master.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:05 No.14638295
    LOL... Im that "some fag" and have been helping out with the creation... and I totally approve of the entire process.

    As for the "different" color schemes for each company, I was figureing that the first company would have one color scheme, while the rest have the a different but same one. Isnt there a few chapters that do that?

    Also, as for the Chaplains, instead of Worshipping the Emperor as a God, they see him as a holy ancestor... The first of the first. They look to him as a shining example of what they should/need to be. (Gotta love shinto)

    Naginatas are two handed... Lets see if we can keep it one handed to go along with the rules a bit more maybe? Or make it an upgrade to them?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:06 No.14638301
    Ah, well. Daimyo as company captain.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:07 No.14638310
    OP, here. I hope you've learned your lesson on /tg/'s opinion of Japan-related things. We welcome your input, comrade.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:08 No.14638318
    We could build them by the Grey Knights codex. The naginata would be a nemesis halberd, which is two handed.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:09 No.14638326
    In deathwatch they would probably be like the Storm Warden's Claymore and be an option for them to take when creating their character.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:10 No.14638333
    I dunno, in my opinion, I think the lesson should be that once they enter the Rising Sons, THAT becomes their clan and in the grand scheme of things, their feudal clans' ambitions are petty compared to the Imperium. Also, space marines from rival clans having to train and fight side-by-side is a pretty near concept.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:12 No.14638359

    Now there is an interesting idea. They take in a lot of recruits and use them as shock troops in guard regiments raised from their recruiting worlds. Companies of space marines then lead these guard regiments as well as fighting in the manner befitting space marines. This means that their fleet is bigger but it means they can function independently of other Imperial military assets which normal space marines have to avoid due to their lack of numbers. Naturally this brings them into conflict with the administratum and some guard leadership
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:14 No.14638369
    I wonder how useful recruits from a feudal world would be as guardsmen...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:15 No.14638378

    It's not uncommon. Plus they can receive extra training in transit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:15 No.14638382
    It was a terrible troll attempt... I dont do it often but hey... its in the thaught though right? Besides, look at what it wraught.

    Daimyo would be the Chapter Commander, Shoguns would be the captains.

    Daimyo=Head Honcho

    Shogun=Military leader
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:15 No.14638385
    The guard regiments also fight independently and are highly sought after as allies in combined operations due to their combined forces training.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:18 No.14638408

    Nah. They only fight alongside the marines. Their numbers are too small and they're connected to the chapter fleet.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:18 No.14638414
    You have it backwards, bro. The daimyo were clan leaders. The shogun was the supposed leader of the military and dictator of Japan. There was never more than one Shogun (at least there shouldn't ought to have been), while Japan had hundreds of daimyo at a time.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:20 No.14638426

    The guard regiments are specialised in tactics that complement the space marine way of war. Static defence and such. They're the anvil with the marines being the hammer.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:20 No.14638433
    I read the previous thread this morning and I like the idea but we need a drawfag to do a Tau Firewarrior pointing at a Rising Sons marine and saying "look at that weeaboo faggot!"
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:21 No.14638440
    We still haven't realized that the Eldar are the alpha-weeaboos?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:22 No.14638449
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    What are the equivalent of ashigaru here?

    Imperial Guad?

    Shouldn't their ninjas be, you know, Imperial Assassins?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:23 No.14638455
    ok, Tau and Eldar would be even more ironic
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:23 No.14638457

    Assassins are way beyond the means of a space marine chapter
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:24 No.14638460
    Pffft, why have Imperial Assassins when you can train your own?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:24 No.14638464
    My main concern with this is the name. "Rising Sons"
    Really? We're going off a pretty unimaginative pun?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:24 No.14638465
    Your right I do have it backwards.

    So... What kind of powers/abilities would the Shogun/special characters have? Or am I jumping to far ahead?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:26 No.14638478
    Tau aren't based on the Japanese. They are based on the Chinese.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:26 No.14638480
    Yep. Welcome to 40k. This kind of cheeziness is right up their alley.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:26 No.14638481
    Oh god why I'm having a boner no no you must finish your Black Templars fight off your sengoku fever no don't look at your Oda Nobunaga figure no NO NO


    Well son of a BITCH.

    What heads do I use to convert these guys to look like Japanese? I can pull off some japanese with the White Scars characters ok, but what about the regular marines?

    I need some asian plastic. Where doI find this shit?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:26 No.14638483

    Because they're not.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:27 No.14638487
    The Daimyo would be in charge of the whole force but the IG general attached to the group would deal with things like handling the administratum and coordinating efforts from space. Really the general would be a glorified aid for the Daimyo but would make sure the regiments were in line. I would assume also that the Captains and the general would sort of form a bond to where the general would know what the Captain would want in terms of dealing with higher ups and flak he would get from different agencies.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:28 No.14638503
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    Really, now?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:31 No.14638533
    There better be a battle barge Yamato.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:32 No.14638541
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:34 No.14638551

    The regiment general would probably be the equivalent of a favoured retainer. Someone who has proven himself extremely competent but was never able to become a space marine.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:36 No.14638576
    Because if anything chapters should be based off of puns. I mean really, do you take any of them all that seriously?

    I will have them with their normal helmets for the most part. There isnt really anything wrong with em, and I REALLY REALLY Hate helmetless figures. I wont use em.... but that doesnt mean I wont pretty them up to look right royally japanese enough.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:36 No.14638581
    Would each Company have a few regiments of guardsmen that serve under them? So that the Captain and retainer can form a bond over time of working together?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:37 No.14638583
    The IG wasn't supposed to be Imperial WWII Japan?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:38 No.14638593
    Considering the homeplanet is supposed to be medieval, I don't think so...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:40 No.14638610
    They were meant to be WW2 Japanese. In the other thread is was thought that the Rising Sons protect a shrine world and a few other planets that have different levels of tech.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:40 No.14638617

    Yes I wager they would. They'd be reinforced over time with more people from their recruiting worlds but the overall structure and regiments would remain the same. Each one attached to a specific house company.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:41 No.14638627
    That sounds good. The Rising Sons can govern their own sector, like Ultramar. The space marines can come from the feudal world and the IG can come from the 1930s-40s Japan world.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:41 No.14638629

    Even feral worlds contribute to the guard
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:43 No.14638650

    Marines can recruit from more developed worlds. I imagine they'd pick anyone with a spark of talent and throw them into the regiment they raised as assault troops. To see them prove themselves.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:44 No.14638653
    Personally I think it would work better if it was WWII IG with feudal Japan infighting. They didnt fight each other ALL the damn time, and that would not be in the Chapters/Imperiums self interest. Why would you trust a Chapter with holy relics/shrines if the world they were on was let to be in turmoil and infighting all the damn time?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:45 No.14638662
    The retainers would probably stay in orbit on a battleship relaying battle information and casualty reports to the captain while also telling him how other units are faring.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:46 No.14638677
    I always thought that space marines had complete authority of their worlds.
    Such as they can raise regiments if they want to or not and be as involved as they want, without the administrtum being involved
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:51 No.14638718

    It varies. Some worlds such as more developed ones are governed normally. But some are adeptus non and under the complete control of the marine chapter.

    They will have a planetary PDF sometimes if the marines maintain a sufficient tech level. Fenris for example may have a limited PDF drawn from the few technologically advanced enclaves on the world. While Macragge has a fucking huge PDF because its developed
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:56 No.14638769

    Oh forgot to mention. While these worlds have a PDF which may obey the marines. But dragging them around is time consuming and will step on the toes of the Imperial Guard who hold a monopoly on military might in terms of mundane humans.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)19:59 No.14638797
    That's what the retainers are for. Since they are generals they can tell other IG officers to fuck off and let them handle their men. They make it look like they're in charge for other IG generals but really they're just doing what the Captain told them.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:00 No.14638808
    use space wolves rules, so you can get your scout-ninjas

    and +1 strength for your master crafted power katanas
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:25 No.14639006
    So the IG general deals with everything political while the Captain fights the wars?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:37 No.14639117
    Since we're establishing that the Rising Sons have domain over an entire sector, we can have a shrine world as well as a feudal world and a WWII Japan world. Here's how I see the feudal world:
    An entire planet modeled after Sengoku Japan, mostly clusters of island with few large land masses. The Rising Sons let the clan lords govern their own territories as long as they pay their taxes to the capital province, where the Shogun resides. They encourage war amongst the clans to breed the finest warriors.
    During battles of special importance, the Shogun may send representatives to observe the battle. The clan generals will inform their troops that the Shogun's men are watching and to fight their hardest. The most outstanding of warriors will be called to serve in the Shogun's personal clan, where they will be trained to be space marines.
    Occasionally, a clan lord will get over-confident and attempt to attack the planetary capitol and take the title of Shogun for himself. Of course, these attacks invariably end in failure, but it isn't uncommon for the Rising Sons to recruit from the clans of these failed attacks. If a man is brave enough to fight a space marine, imagine what he'll be willing to fight as a space marine!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:40 No.14639141
    Anyone think of a name for the IG regiments?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:42 No.14639155
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:49 No.14639228
    Curious gentlemen.
    History has found that there were some European elements (long before the dutch arrived) Correct me if I'm wrong. But i think there were some Europeans, mostly Scandinavians and Anglo Saxons who went to japan or some part of Asia as a form of exile. If this is correct, might we include this aspect somehow?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:51 No.14639260
    Considering it's a negligible aspect of Japanese history, I wouldn't recommend it. I think we're pretty much set on feudal Japan and WWII Japan.
    >> BROTOMAN !XdV5o13EfA 04/18/11(Mon)20:52 No.14639269
    We seem to be forgetting the discussion of SUMONOUGHTS
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:52 No.14639271
    Ashigaru would probably be the best bet.

    My thoughts on Chain of Command
    Shogun(chapter Master)
    Daimyo (Captains)
    Samurai (Sergeants)
    Whatsjapaneseforbrother? (Battle brothers)

    One thought: What if we made this a VERY melee oriented army. Like all units can take close combat weapons melee oriented.

    Cause if we went with that I was thinking that each type of unit has a different CQC weapon. Standard brothers have katana-esque swords, Terminator marines have Naginata(could probably use grey knights bits for these), Devastators have Yari, and assault have No-Dachi
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    António Bocarro, 1635:

    >The Japanese

    >"The strength and courage of the Japanese in arms is such that there is no nation whatsoever which would dare to invade Japan; likewise their self-confidence and pride is greater than that of any other people yet discovered, wherefore wheresoever they go they are universally esteemed for their courage, and have proved it in deeds"

    You heard the man.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:54 No.14639289
    Dreadnoughts with two close combat weapons?

    Also: Chapter emblem
    I was thinking one "chapter" emblem on one shoulder and a company emblem on the other
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:55 No.14639298
    Gotcha, it was just a thought.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:55 No.14639302
    I'm thinking it should be more bike-oriented. And it should have at least a healthy corps of regular-joe bolter marines.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:56 No.14639305
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    Historically, the signature weapon of the samurai was the bow. Bushido is the way of the horse and bow, so it went.

    So why don't they use some sort of bolter-bows? Maybe a heavily modified model of bolter that's fired like a bow?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:57 No.14639320
    Or just bolters. Bolters are good, too.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:58 No.14639335
    Not sure about the bolter/bows.
    What if we didn't use bikes, but some animal native to the planet instead? Could be the reason they set down in the first place
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)20:58 No.14639337
    How about a bolter that just looks kinda like a bow. Or one with slightly better range.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:00 No.14639350
    I refuse to acknowledge this chapter unless you find some way to incorporate the horro.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:00 No.14639352
    Just because the homeplanet is medieval doesn't mean the space marines have to reflect it completely. I think it would be better for them to just have bikes, but with a bit of samurai flair, like mounting the heads of worthy foes around them, like the samurai did. They should be really into headhunting.
    >> BROTOMAN !XdV5o13EfA 04/18/11(Mon)21:00 No.14639354

    That have rule which makes them better at fighting walkers/monsterous creatures, and better at close combat in general
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:00 No.14639360
    But we already have Katana Angels
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:02 No.14639376
    Sounds kinda sketchy. I can't imagine making a gun-bow hybrid that doesn't look ridiculous.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:05 No.14639408
    Bushido was a code of conduct.
    Half the bullshit in it wasn't invented until later anywho.
    The art of the bow is called kyujutsu, and the horse is bajutsu.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:06 No.14639421
    Yeah, I realized that was stupid as soon as the post went up.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:07 No.14639427
    Let's keep it simple, man. Remember they're space marines, not just any old space samurai. They still have to keep the basic space marine aesthetic and fucking about with the most basic of space marine weapons would kind of throw that off.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:08 No.14639437
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    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:18 No.14639517
    Just some thoughts on fluff (i'm terribad at names):
    Three major planets at three stages of development
    >Heavily industrialized, not hive or forge however
    >Produces most of the chapters wargear
    >All major areas are controlled by forges/smiths/whateversoundsgood
    >Every 4 years, the various Forges "Bid" for the honor of producing the chapter's wargear through a period of intense conflict between them. The forge that captures the most terrotory is deemed to have constructed the best quality equipment and is thus awarded the contract. Techmarine are usually from here

    >Medieval tech level
    >Classic Sengoku age japan on a worldwide scale
    >In order to avoid wasting too much manpower, war is confined to certain parts of the world for a duration of time deemed necessary by the chaplains. Due to the intense rivalry between clans encouraged by the chapter, these conflicts generally require a small show of force on the part of the chapter to stop

    >Shrine world
    >The spiritual home of the chapter
    >Home to several cults that interpret the Emperor in different ways
    >Warfare is usually considered a "Holy War". Guns are frowned upon by some sects and embraced by others. To avoid undue damage to the shrines and temples, the wars generally consist of duels between champions or take place far away from the cities. The sites of the major battles tend to result in the foundation of a new shrine on that spot by the winning side, with the usual end being that the losing side's temple falls to pieces and eventually returns to being part of the landscape. this results in an eternal cycle of shrines being built and falling to pieces.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:20 No.14639530
    I'll admit, I'm kinda diggin those backstories
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:23 No.14639555

    A variant of the classic bolter, the crossbolter utilizes bolts that are slightly longer than the Imperial norm.

    This gives them much longer range and a highly explosive impact. The chemicals needed to compensate for the longer shells, however, are taxing on the crossbolter body and tend to throw off the weapon's alignment from the enormous back-blast they exert when leaving the barrel.

    The Rising Sons, being enigmatic and focused on excellence by nature, have earned the ire of the Adeptus Mechanicus on numerous occasions for their unsanctioned modifications to existing weapons.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:25 No.14639575

    That can't be spelled in hiragana.

    Correct it to Kyotoro and call it a day.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:26 No.14639591
    I like this idea. Heck, since the rounds cause a lot of wear and tear, I'd imagine that they'd have great respect for the smiths and such that repair them.

    The mechanicus probably wouldn't approve though
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:27 No.14639603
    Meh, just trying to make it sound vaguely japanese. Kyotoro it is
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:32 No.14639642
    On color scheme: What should the standard scheme be?
    I was thinking a red/brown scheme with black on the belts
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:34 No.14639665
    Librarians = Shugenja?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:35 No.14639673

    I guess I'm thinking in stereo types but I just assumed it was going to be a white/red set up.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:41 No.14639718
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    It was discussed in the other thread and the major colors were black gold red and white. A lot of stuff was taken from Date Masamune, who the chapter master was going to look like.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:43 No.14639729
    From what I know about the Sengoku period, here's how I see it:
    Samurai supplied their own armor, so there was little uniformity. They would generally just have banners with the same design as their Daimyo to indicate alleigence
    The mass produced stuff for the non-samurai, however, tended to be black though there were 1-2 clans that painted it red to psych out their enemies.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:51 No.14639797
    how about ronins?

    We could have some sort of modified ronin?

    Like when a Marine fails a mission or is otherwise dishonored, he is cast out form his clan.
    Some would join in a special company of sorts.

    Some would set out solo and either join the deathwatch as blackshields or just wander around on the sector's planet and fight until one of the daimyo deems them worthy of joining their clan.

    Maybe some could wander the imperium so you could use them in dark heresy/rogue trader/ deathwatch games as lone wandering marines

    Probably with unusual weapons since they couldnt afford power armor without their clan's backing
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:54 No.14639830

    Play Painkiller man
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:55 No.14639835
    I'm thinking black with gold trim and white shoulders. Gold under-armor, too. It's somewhere in the last thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:57 No.14639854
    I was thinking Black body, red legs, white shoulders, black trim
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    >> mfw I see ashigaru & samurai, but no mention of bushi
    Kind of like talking about nobles and peasants, but using the word 'noble' when 'knight' would be more appropriate.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)21:58 No.14639866
    samefag here

    They could be called wave marines

    I like the idea of a space marine with primitive equipment enlisted by a lord of okasa to battle his ennemies and advice him in strategic matters
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)22:03 No.14639920
    Ronin might be assigned to Deathwatch kill teams by their chapter to make amends for their failures. If you return from your time in the Deathwatch then you will be welcomed back into the chapter kind of thing.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)22:06 No.14639945

    So the rising sons preferred enemy rule is the tau?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)22:06 No.14639951
    ...I like this
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)22:08 No.14639965
    make it so!
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)22:25 No.14640150
    if you want bows, why not just have them shoot "power arrows" from a bow?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)22:26 No.14640170
    Because samurai were bushi, bushi just means warrior.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)22:27 No.14640177
    I think the while bow thing is trying too hard. Bolters will suffice.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)22:28 No.14640191
    well you could have some of them using power bows or someshit while the majority use bolters
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)23:09 No.14640506
    Entire concept tries to hard. And makeing them would be horrific. They are a Marines chapter, yes they have bolters.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)23:19 No.14640573

    I concur, these guys are still Space Marines after all, let's not get all special snowflake.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)23:33 No.14640709

    Oh thank the Emperor! I thought I was the only one who thought the bows were a bad idea.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/11(Mon)23:51 No.14640856
    I think you are onto something there.
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    So long as no one's agreed on a color scheme, I'll throw a modified version of my previous scheme in. We'll see how it goes.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)00:51 No.14641351
    We gonna save this thread for future use?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)01:28 No.14641633

    If there is a Shrine World there would likely be Sisters there.

    Shrine Maiden Sisters?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)01:31 No.14641646
    Quiet, you! Before the weeaboos get wind of this!
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)01:45 No.14641753

    I could go for that. Shrine Maiden Sisters would be cool and there are not enough Chapters with a good relationship with the Ecclessiarchy.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 04/19/11(Tue)01:49 No.14641793
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    Huh. Thought everyone abandon the idea already.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)01:54 No.14641832
    I'm conflicted about the pauldrons. I think they look good, but you can't really put the badge on them when they look like that.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)02:12 No.14641972

    Back banners for that. Or the kneepads.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)02:13 No.14641984
    On the subject of deathwatch rules I think they should have the show your colors flaw. prideful Samurai proud of their colors sounds right to me.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 04/19/11(Tue)02:18 No.14642040
    We already roll the flaw in last thead. Got Eye to Eye. They said it fit since fighting one on one and killing the enemy by yourself is honorable.
    The rolling stop at Solo Mode abilities.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)02:19 No.14642046

    haha whoops. ok then.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 04/19/11(Tue)02:21 No.14642060
    I agree about the Colors flaw though. It also fit with the chapter since it got the back banner thing too. But taking two flaw would be...I don't know. Strange.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)03:06 No.14642420
    >> all samurai were bushi
    Nope. Samurai were servants.

    You had;

    Hinin - the people who carted dead bodies, shit, etc and were too unclean to notice.

    Heimin - farmers, labourers and the like.

    Samurai - split into different ranks and positions.

    Hinin and heimin were too uneducated to keep records, so you also had samurai that spent more time with an ink brush than a weapon. These samurai were not bushi, but they were definitely samurai.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)11:17 No.14645152
    Ok... back on subject a bit... Who cares about haveing two different flaws. Yes it is a little bit of Special Snowflake there, but it actually fits...

    Besides, how many character flaws does the Blood and Dark Angels have? I mean besides the players?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)12:45 No.14645739

    You know, I'd found this fan chapter a while back and was wondering if /tg/ would consider this weeaboo. Considering the response to the Rising Sons, certainly seems not.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)12:47 No.14645754
    Weeaboo means Wapanese, or white people trying to emulate the Japanese. Japanophiles, if you will. So why would a space marine chapter based off the samurai be weeaboo?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)12:48 No.14645760
    After the corruption of the world and the general Japan hate, I'd figured people might be unreasonable.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)12:49 No.14645764
    Did you not know this chapter idea rose out of a thread about weeaboo hate?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)12:52 No.14645776
    >Shrine maiden sisters

    My dick is hard
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)12:55 No.14645793
    Yea... was my reaction too.

    And I was the one that made the origional thread. Fail troll is fail.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)12:57 No.14645797
    And let's make them a form of abhuman that makes them look like loli catgirls! And they turn into magical girls! Their duty is to protect the shrines from the evil tentacle monsters that lurk the planet!
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)12:58 No.14645803

    Actually I was serious. Shrine worlds have Sisters and Shrine Maidens made sence for space japan.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 04/19/11(Tue)13:00 No.14645813
    Right then. I'll add it to the list.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)13:00 No.14645816
    I was going to make this shit.

    Anyway, kabuto hırns on a normal SM head look awesome, just try it.
    Also try Hakamas.

    One shoulder of the armor should be not standard shoulder but like the ones in actual Samurai armor (rectangular)

    Also I always thought Imperial Fists descent would make more sense- there's a guy who wrote "A Book of Five Spheres" or something in the ImpFists.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)13:01 No.14645820
    We're pretty much set on White Scars descent.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)13:02 No.14645825
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    So...St Celestine is a magical girl? Because Sisters totally have magical beings they turn into already.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)13:10 No.14645882
    I suggest a mixture between White Scars and Imperial Fists.
    (Heretical, I know, but would give us a larger basis to work with)

    The idea of having a pauldron made like the samurai's armour, rectanbgular is good, however, I'd rather have it twisted to look like a Samurai's pauldron and a SM's one, i.e. SM design, Samurai texture/scales.

    Also, CAPES for the Captains, bearing the hearaldry of the chapter in all it's glory.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)13:11 No.14645890
    Don't mix, influence.

    White Scars descendants who have cooperated and dealt heavily with the Imperial Fists.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)13:13 No.14645904
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    Nah man, It's gotta be the samurai coats.
    Speak of heraldry, have we decided on an actualy badge or are we sticking with the rising sun? I think some kind of mon would fit best.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)13:13 No.14645907
    If by magic girls, you mean the kind of magic girls who get their heads eatten by giant clown ball things, then yes
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 04/19/11(Tue)13:18 No.14645933
    Oh are we going to add that Daemon of Tzeentch into the fluff? Have it go around the planet corrupting the population by trading their soul with wishes.
    Each company use different badge depending on the house that company is from. Though there's no standard badge yet.
    Last thread someone propse that we should just use chapter motto in Kanji instead of standard badge.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)13:19 No.14645946
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    I'd go with no.48 tbh.
    Perhaps the helmets would be a bit more like the originals? Well, at least the upper portion, the face would still have the "Vox box" and such.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)13:21 No.14645962
    Just slap on one of those strange japanese flag thingies they used to have strapped to their backs
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)14:04 No.14646269

    You are aware that Mongols =/= Japanese right?
    White Scars should be crazed barbarians on bikes jumping on top pf ppl's heads, not Samurai.
    Anyone interested in Samurai culture should have jumped on the existence of that "Five Spheres" book.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)14:46 No.14646541
    Yes, but both were asian horse-archers and thus both chapters are bike-oriented. A descendant chapter doesn't have to take on the culture of its original legion.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)14:51 No.14646583
    Is there a way we could make a mon-style aquila?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)14:53 No.14646598
    I think the important part should be the unified badge. We don't want to get too special snowflake, you know.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)15:23 No.14646867

    Unified badge but with different markings for same clan warriors.
    Also Samurai used bows yes, but they were not mainly HORSE archers. Mongolians, Turks etc are the kings in horse archery.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)15:43 No.14647106
    Yes they were. Not during the Sengoku era, but the samurai DO have origins in horse archery. It was their primary form of combat up until the 15th century and still used beyond that!
    They even make a sport out of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK7XdnIeH24
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)15:48 No.14647156

    Yes they have roots in archery, but foot archery was more commonplace. Meeeeh, doesn't matter anyway.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)15:50 No.14647184
    NO. IT. WASN'T. There are a legion of historians who will disagree with you.
    But I agree, it doesn't matter.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)15:56 No.14647243
    In the early period when they were primarily horse archers you've got to remember "battles" were more like skirmishes and "armies" were like 20 guys.

    So, considering that, their roots as horse archers makes a lot more sense.

    As armies grew, horse archery became less commonplace.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)17:04 No.14647932
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    Rising sun badge? Mon badge? How about a Rising Sun Mon badge?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)18:05 No.14648506
    The sun should be half-circled at the very bottom with the corona extending upward. The circle around it should also be red.
    How do the rest of you feel about this?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)18:14 No.14648584
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    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)18:20 No.14648665
    Give them special rules like the Black Templars (who also try to represent that same social class).
    Namely, don't let them take scouts, but allow them to field Neophytes in their regular squads to represent Ashigaru.

    Or alternately have them use lots of Scouts; refluff as Ashigaru.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)18:21 No.14648676
    What about being the successors to the Salamanders?

    They get good forging skills, a dragon theme and dark skin.

    Some Sallies like Tu-Shan have very Chinese names
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)18:23 No.14648700
    What happens when the Rising Sons encounter the Tau, will he venerate them as his spiritual liege?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)18:24 No.14648713
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    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)18:25 No.14648727
    I think the Japanese have more in common with the Japanese being white, elegant and graceful.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)18:59 No.14649058
    We already set scouts as ninjas.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)19:01 No.14649065
    White Scars, bro. Asian bikers.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)19:02 No.14649078
    See: >>14638503
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)19:57 No.14649577
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    How bout no
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)19:58 No.14649599
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    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)20:36 No.14650009
    We've submitted that the Tau have Japanese influence. It just doesn't match up to the Eldar in Japanese influence.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)20:42 No.14650082

    ah cool, wish I had more clean scans. The ashigaru image comes out nicely
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)20:53 No.14650225
    This thread's just about dead. Fresh, new thread here.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/11(Tue)21:03 No.14650348
    I thaught we were past this. Stop it.

    It had been decided a LONG time ago that it would be the White Scars... Too late to change it now.

    As it stands, I would make it a fast attacking army, but not relegated to JUST bikes. I kinda like em with Jump Packs myself... but that is just me.
    >> Anonymous 04/20/11(Wed)01:58 No.14653719

    You could use two Tau shoulderpads for marines.

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