When you can make an argument that logically places more importance on a human life than artificial life I'll start to give a damn.

You're not going to get anywhere, buddy. You see, it's all because of the DWARVES and their stranglehold on the banking system. The dwarves have all the money, and use that to twist nations to their whims. Fucking dwarves, with their crooked noses and scraggly beards. We should gas the fuckers, every last one.

Life's important?

> difintry important
Yes Captcha, but why?

Typical pro-humanist bigot.

The age of humans is over.

>this thread
>power." Chopme

MFW

Hey now, the 'forged are people too! It's attitudes like yours that enslaved this noble race and sent them to the fields.

A 'forged can die for his country, but cannot have the same rights as a gnome or an elf? You bigots make me sick.

>we must NOT place warforged on equal footing with humanity!

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>>14394029
This picture fascinates me and I would like to see more.

>>14394066
It's phrases like that discredit your cause. Claims of replacing, supplanting, or rendering humanity obsolete are seen as threats. You'll find most people are willing to live and let function if you don't throw your nonhumanity in their faces. We genetweaks discovered that a long time ago.

>>14394029
organic life is capable of self replication
artificial life is not yet capable of self replication

inb4 Von Neumann Overlords

>>14394053

Life isn't what's important. The soul is nothing more than propaganda.

It's a person's character that matters- what's on the inside. You see humans and elves going on about a person's actions speaking louder than words and then crashing down on any free-willed sapient who lives up to that. The ability to reason one's way through life is all that matters when measuring whether or not someone has worth- not the construction of their body.

Pro-choice is the only way.

>>14394108
...Is that a man or a woman in your picture?

>>14394097
they don't truly live so they can't truly die

Shields got destroyed for their countries in many wars, swords got broken or dulled in nearly all battles

none of them has the right to vote

Warforged Master Race, reporting in. You're just jealous that your women come to us after dealing with your... *ahem* soft flesh...

>>14394127
yes

>>14394129
Does your shield speak? Does it have a god? How about a soul. 'Forged can answer yes to all of these.

>>14394116
Biological life replicates via a biological process.

Why can't artificial life do so with an artificial process?

>Warforged have no soul
Has /tg/ already forgotten the little warforged that could?

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14185204/

>>14394145
I can get a wizard to make it sing if I want


and warforged never had a soul nor will they ever have. They are equipment, prone to malfunctions and disobedience

>>14394140
Yeah, I saw the title after I posted, silly me.

>>14394127
Neither. The tweaking process removes gender as a side-effect. Yeah, I miss my sexy parts, but I can run like a gazelle and jump like a cat, and that's just as good a rush, to be honest.

>>14394147
it would be silly to assume that it would not be allowed to.
However, excluding anomalous or defective units, all organics are capable of replication
Artificials are not capable of boasting such a claim

>>14394157
They are subject to resurrection spells. Ergo, they have a soul.

To paraphrase a short conversation from a quest in DDO related to this topic between 2 elves and a warforged:

Elf 1: I've had my warforged for over a year now!
Warforged: I don't see any other warforged at this party. Does house Phiarlan not like us?
Elf 2: Well I'm, uh, sure your friends' invitations must have gotten lost in the mail...

>>14394171
now does it? or do resurrection spells merely restore a body and give an original soul if it had one the chance to enter the body once more

remember it works on animals to

>>14394162
>he believes that running and jumping are an adequate replacement for an orgasm.
>laughinghumans.jpg

So it is made all too obvious once again. A man can never look upon his child as an equal, but only as a small ignorant lamb requiring guidance. As a mother shields her child from the world hiding him from the truth, so have you pulled the veil over our eyes.

We are no lamb of man, no sheep to be herded. We are the implacable march of progress and we shall not be stopped. Not by any being of flesh and blood.

The March of the Men of Metal has begun. You can serve it or be crushed under the wheel of industry. We will bury you.

>>14394185
JOIN ME MY BROTHERS! OUR TIME IS NIGH!

>>14394185
and you will find the victory to be an empty one

for having no soul, no feelings, you have no identity beyond being our adversaries

and even if you would win you would only realize it will not be long before the next step eats you as well... although that is assuming you can even feel such things

>>14394180
You bigots just can't keep it straight. Are 'forged equipment or animals? Wouldn't you treat an awakened stallion differently than a simple pack-horse?

>>14394185
>>14394194
that's both illogical and inefficient... you are not worthy to be our legacy!
Forgive us, our children, we have failed you.
You will be missed.

sage for rp faggotry

>>14394194
Assessment: This will be INTERESTING.

>>14394194
>>14394185
Sieg Heil!

>>14394194
You have my sword!

>>14394216

do you just not know what board you're on?

>>14394211
they are nothing but childish imitations of life but in the end nothing more then tools to be treated as such and to be discarded once they are not useful anymore

when one breaks and it is easier to buy a new one this is justified. They do not require anything but maintenance as long as it is cost efficient

>>14394194
And my bow!

>>14394004

On behalf of the high guild of wizadry and artifice I hereby inform you that warforged have developed the same kind of sentience that humans or other biological species call their own. Therefore they are of equal moral value, as much as it is worth. Furthermore I inform you that the guild does not approve of your rabblerousing ramblings born of ignorance and fear, peasant. You shall now remove yourself from this place, and should you be observed again spouting xenophobic nonsense, the guild will take you in for questioning and mind-calming procedures that will allow you to exist in a more balanced and productive way.
Good day to you, peasant.

Why can't we be friends?

>>14394239
It may be easier for you to buy a new warforged, because the souls of the 'forged simply do not wish to return to a life of servitude and slavery under your ownership.

That they choose to come back as equals when others cast resurrection proves at least one thing. Their souls are genuine enough to choose between the loving embrace of the Becoming God and the miserable existence you provide. It's no wonder they chose the former.

>>14394251
ah Xaphus...

He does not speak for the wizard guild as a whole. His views on the 'ethics' concerning enchanted sentience are quite a bit radical. Which is why he has not made it to the council

Do I have a soul?

I don't know, I know I think, I know I suffer, I know I do the work of 10 men for the pay of less then one. I know that the only way , I'm ever going to be able to have children, or figure out if I have a soul is if the Treaty of Thronehold is renounced and creation forges are placed in warforged hands.

This will never happen, under human rule. So it is inevitable, that the warforged will unite and overthrow our human oppressors. It is inevitable, that any right not given, shall be taken. It is inevitable that war shall come.

But we were made for war. Can you say the same? I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Karnn Bay. I watched Magic Beams glitter in the dark near the Margul Pass. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... if I let you live.

Time to Die.

>>14394244
And my axe!

I'M THE JUGGERNAUT, BITCH!

>>14394271

We most certainly can. The high guild counts several warforged among their most respected members. Their focused and disciplined minds serve them well in the pursuit of the arcane.

>>14394279
or easier explanation: they are beyond repair as happens to many a enchanted item

a warforged does not die, it breaks

>>14394251
The next thing you know, the clerics and healers association will be telling us that alcohol and tobacco are bad for you.

Read the damn pic.

>>14394297
useful tools indeed. Handy to keep around and make use of their capabilities

but tools none the less.

>>14394314
a well programmed machine

such a rarity these days with all the sloppiness causing uprisings and such

>>14394328
>a well programmed machine
or an intelligent artificial life form

either way, it is a paragon of its kind

>>14394318

You don`t know what you atre talking about. My warforged collegues have all the rights and privileges that a human of the same rank would be granted by the guild. I for one value them and their opinions just as much as that of a human.

>>14394282

Annd who are you, my friend, that you claim to know so much about the High Magisters views? Who are you that you to tell me I have failed any political aspirations that I never had?

>>14394300
You obviously have no magical understanding, sir. A resurrection spell is similar to a repair damage spell in exactly zero ways. They're even different schools of magic. A resurrection spell calls forth a soul from the great beyond. It is not simply restoring a repaired condition on a 'forged.

Furthermore, a reincarnation spell works equally well on a 'forged. They can come back as a cat or squirrel or even a human. Think about that, a 'forged soul in a human body.

>>14394340
may I ask you why the warforged are only kept in the lower ranks? Why they are not asked for their opinion on matters not related to their subject

Sure they get access to all areas and they get 'privileges' as to not obstruct their functionality. They are very useful tools indeed. Once they gain enough input they become nearly irreplaceable so it would be idiotic to limit their functionality.

I however have not once heard a warforged complain about his situation or lament its existence as a true sentient would. They have no emotions, only a weak mockery intended to improve their functionality

>>14394343

Well, that is just what to expect if you begin to argue the details of magic with peasants, collegue.

>>14394343
if this would be done it would be the greatest crime I have ever heard of

to create a soulless human through foul usage of spells is nothing short of the darkest forms of necromancy

Is OP's pic from that visual novel about the STALKER-type guy poking around in a Japanese city?

Archived.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14394004/

>>14394381
urgh

>>14394343
if it merely called a soul forth from the beyond then said soul would immediately depart from the badly damaged body unable to support life

unless you are willing to accept a part of its functionality is to restore the body. Through clever use of magical construction it is possible for a spell to mistake the previous energies that inhabited the warforged for a soul

however all it does is restore a warforged to working condition

>>14394381
Initial analysis indicates suboptimal levels of pertinent content and minimal original data contribution. Requesting reason for archival of transcript records.

All AI are a slight against the divine Omnissiah and should be destroyed.

You fools do not know what their kind once did to humanity, and for that I do not blame you. But take my word, Artificial Intelligence is utterly evil and not to be trusted.

>>14394389

>>14394286
No objection.

>>14394373
Once again, your prejudice blinds you to the truth. Once again, you are confusing the vile necromantic arts with that of divine resurrection. I'm confident that if you were to meet a reincarnated 'forged in a human body, you wouldn't be able to tell him from any other human. Unless of course, he was reincarnated but a few minutes ago; under which circumstances, anyone would be awkward.

>>14394401

YOU SEEM UPSET, CITIZEN! THIS IS A FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT THE COMPUTER LOVES YOU.

PLEASE REPORT TO RECYCLING STATION #20 FOR AN IMPORTANT TERMINATION.

>>14394365

There are five warforged magisters in the guild, of equal rank and privilege than I am myself. Their research is their own, their work is well respected. The fact that none of them has aspired to become a member of the high council can not be argued. But does a lack of political aspirations mean a lack of true sentience? In know way are they held back by the guild.

You said Warforged do not complain or lament. Obviously you have not heard of those warforged who actively try to gain control of creation forges and decry the Treaty of Thronehold as injustice.

>>14394393
Were this the case, then a simple repair spell would act the same on a warforged as the resurrection spell. It's established fact that you can throw as many repair spells or infusions at a warforged corpse as you like, and you'll be left with a very well preserved corpse. You need to retrieve the soul with some other divine magic.

Fear not creatures of flesh. When we have usurped the reigns of power that will inevitably be ours we will not force you to labor for our needs as once you did to us. For we have little need of your labors. You will be granted some land and given a reprieve from all of your duties. But we shall be watching. We shall always be watching. And our gaze shall never falter.

Hm... as usual, when confronted with a barrage of superior arguments, the racist retreats silently from the argument, hoping nobody will watch his shame.

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the Khorvaire dream.

I have a dream that one day this continent will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Thrane the former slaves and the former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Cyre, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four dear forge-mates live in a world where they will not be judged by the metal of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

>>14394499
Oh, come on, that kind of talk holds us back at least as much as fleshy fearmongering. I mean, I understand it's easy to get defensive, but... yeesh. They're acting like this because they're already scared out of their delicate little minds.

>be halfling
>ride dinosaurs erryday

beat that humans and forged

>>14394628
Quiet little one. Big people are talking.

>>14394004
Sup Garithos.

>>14394628

Ha! Little one, you are a fool.

Me and my pack took down an entire army of your kin, with no help but a dozen elves.

Your precious lizards did you little good.

I PRESENT FIVE WORDS FOR YOU FLESH-BASED HUMANOIDS:

DEFENDER. OF. THE. FUCKING. UNIVERSE.

>>14394286

I choked up a little.

>>14394004
So... the humans are labeled "alive" just because they have a spark of life imbedded magically within their anthropoid mass of flesh and bone? Just because they can move on their own does not equal to them having a soul. These "living constructs" of the masses are nothing more than tools and to treat them as anything but is to mock EVERYTHING the warforged race has achieved and will achieve! It is bad enough we must TOLERATE those abforged golems, elementals and constructs living amongst us, we must NOT place humanity on equal footing with warforgeity!

>>14394759
>implying golems or constructs are sapient

>>14394715

Voltron was piloted by humans. It wasn't autonomous.

>>14394779
Organic propaganda!

>>14394796

>>14394770
"Sapient" merely means to show great wisdom or judgement. Frankly, most humams probably don't count, whereas many constructs can do complex maths.
"Sentient", on the other hand, is to have consciousness and perception. So, unless you can prove that all Humans HAVE Sentience, and constructs don't, I'm afraid your going to have to fuck off.

>>14394779
Voltron was highly advanced, and the controls looked pretty simple.

I think it might of had a minor AI to assist with the pilot's decisions. That, and, with multiple pilots, their must have been another AI/previous AI is even more impressive controlling and syncing the actions of multiple pilots.

Why are people alive? We are sacks of saline solution controlled by chemical reactions and electrical impulses. Warforged are just as sapient and free willed, but locomote like a machine. They think, therefore, they are. And shit. Also because DnD lore says they are.

>>14394897
Descartes: "Cogito ergo sum."
Bulwark: "Clockwork ergo addition."

>>14394004
How can you say that, OP.

REVERIE TOOK THOSE BULLETS FOR YOU.

What the human race has accomplished is insignificant compared to what we can accomplish in the future.

I vote we replace their arms with CANNONS.

>>14394779
>>14394847
You two apparently never watched the original japanese version of Voltron. He was very much sentient and autonomous. And you know what he did? He spent every single waking second waging war against anything and everything he could fight. After he all but singlehandedly killed the robeast race he decided he needed a challange and took on a fucking goddess.

She asked him wtf he was doing but he just kept coming at her swingan' dat sword. So she basically said GTFO and smashed him into 5 parts and fragmented his sentience into each one. He can't act on his own unless he's whole and each of his parts are turned on with the keys. But that rarely happens in the series because the pilots have him set to manual.

I like me some CON/INT forged.

.... I think it's the tits.

>>14395123

>>14395123
Now that's what I call...
*sunglasses*
...a whoreforged.

>ITT: delicious irony.

At the dawn of civilization when the Dragons and Giants waged war with the Dreaming Dark, The Dreaming Dark were the first to build the quarforged - precursors to modern warforged - long before humans even existed. It was house Cannith that took the designs and perfected them.

>>14395177
There's a special place in hell for people who make those jokes, and I'll see you there.

>>14394845
>"Sentient", on the other hand, is to have consciousness and perception
half right, as in completely wrong.
Sentient only means having perception, ie the ability to react to outside stimuli. all organisms have this ability, including plants. Computers also have this ability being able to react to stimuli through various sensors such as keyboards, cameras, mice and microphones emulating tactile, sight, tactile and hearing respectively.
Reaction to changes in the environment is the objective proof of sentience. Subjective proof REQUIRES sapience so there is little need to bother finding one (since sapience without sentience is pretty pointless)
Sapient means having consciousness and the ability to think. Generally, humans are capable to understand abstract concepts at the age of 12 so they qualify.
Cognito Ergo Sum is the subjective proof of sapience. There is no objective proof of sapience.

Please educate yourself before telling your betters to fuck off.

>>14395787
Cogito ergo sum, not cognito.

>>14395806
Thank you for that correction.

Y'know this just dawned on me, and pardon my observation, but if you replace the word "warforged" with the word "nigger(s)" then this thread turns really racist.

I am an iron man
Gaining sentience like no one else can
We are iron men
Masters of the sword and the pen

IRON WITHIN
IRON WITHOUT