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    59 KB Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:18 No.14257950  
    I'm having a bit of a problem, /tg/, and need your help with the characterization of an NPC.

    It's supposed to be a sort of Conanesque Warrior-Queen figure with a hint of Genghis Khan, a barbarian conqueress who rules a bunch of scattered city-states, slays monsters, and commands the steppes with an army of horsemen.

    The problem is, how do I portray her as being strong in her own right, without depending on a man? She is supposed to be fairly musclebound and strong. Also, how do I properly show that she's a lecherous, sexually active (again, in the same vein as Conan or Genghis Khan) champion in the bedroom, without, well, taking the PCs there to begin with, and without portraying her as simply a slut, but rather a force in her own right?

    It's a high order, but I've seen /tg/ do some impressive things with characterization in the past, and was hoping you could help me here, too.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:21 No.14257983
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    >How do I portray her as strong
    >Strength reliant on her sex life

    200+ shitstorm incoming, OP

    It's simple OP. Just have her have two extremely loyal big strong bodyguards that she sleeps with. She doesn't need to have sex with dozens of different people when one or two people multiple times is just as fine.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:23 No.14258008
    Easy OP, just have her fuck her elf slave.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:23 No.14258013
    Have her have a plethora of male courtesans, kept around solely to submit to the desires of the queens, several around the base of her elevated throne in skimpy attire. Have a few look very tired and very spent, having trouble breathing and in puddles of sweat.

    She should also have few advisers, and have a high degree of tactical & strategic insight and intelligence, being a capable and efficient military leader. Not only a good warrior, but a good soldier and a good general.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:24 No.14258020
    Have her bodyguard/sexbuddies be the next two strongest guys in her kingdoms. The fact that they kneel to her shows her power.

    A couple elves chained to her throne also helps.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:24 No.14258021
    You can probably deal with part 2 with just an offhand, third-party mention of male concubines or something. Then just concentrate on part one, showcasing strength. I would show that partially with the environment (say, a throne room full of trophies), but also with how NPCs react to and interact with her. Big tough guys respect her, and minions are just awed. Personality, I mean, I'd just make her fantasyworld Margaret Thatcher. That's the kind of example you need to be drawing from.
    >> CA 03/16/11(Wed)00:24 No.14258022
    >how do I portray her as being strong in her own right, without depending on a man?

    Haha too easy.
    3/10 mostly cause you'll get 200 replies anyway.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:26 No.14258034
    >party enters tavern
    >relatively buff guy looks up, sees her, eyes go wide, and he flees
    >possibly with a limp
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:27 No.14258047

    aw, shit, didn't see the N.

    well, still, some situation where it's implied she was too much to handle for some dude who thought he was The Wizard Of Sexing.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:28 No.14258061
    Have her keep a harem by her side. Musclebound, half-naked men who look strong in their own right. Someone like this Warrior Queen would surely keep their own harem of men with which she can do what she wants, when they want. Portraying strong people as submissive to others will make the dominant one appear much stronger.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:31 No.14258099
    there was a queen in africa who did something like that, OP. she was a real hardass, led her warriors into battle, and kept plenty of male fuckbuddies around.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:31 No.14258103
    Portray her as dominant, portray her harem as - if not fully submissive - at the very least in awe of her and her power. Bam. Done deal, answer's already been provided in the thread before this.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:32 No.14258112
    >>Herp, a thread that I don't like is obviously a troll thread, derp.

    Polite sage for off subject post.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:33 No.14258115
    Screw all this stuff about slaves and harems.

    Give her one really strong, buff, Adonis of a husband...

    Who is constantly in fear of her approach. Have the party talk to him alone, first. He should have presence that commands respect and speak out boldy and forcefully.

    Then have a servant announce that the queen is on her way and have him sketch the fuck out, grab his crotch protectively, and dip out after making the party promise to say they hadn't seen him.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:38 No.14258162
    She's lecherous and sexually active. "Monogamous but abusive" isn't the same thing.

    Also, she can be a strong lover without drifting into "beating the shit out of dudes" territory.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:39 No.14258179
    I didn't mean physically beat

    So much as she just physically beat his penis with her vagina so often dude can't get a break
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:41 No.14258210
    OP, ignore these creepy slave fetish guys, you know the classic Male Barbarian, Female Priestess/Caster? Just reverse the roles for this queen and her husband, he's a skinny spiritual shamanistic guy, and she leads the warbands and rules.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:43 No.14258223
    >not a slut
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:45 No.14258257
    Still sounds kind of sketchy, IMO. I think you could just make him strong and attractive but still obviously her inferior - she takes the lead when things need to get done, he hangs out in the back and gets things done when she barks off to him. Of course, that doesn't imply a lot about their sexual relationship unless she openly says something to him when the PCs are within earshot.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:51 No.14258301

    I really hate how people fling that word around nowadays. This is the twenty-first century. A woman's worth is no longer dependent on her virginity. If a woman wants to sleep with a dozen people, let her. Hell, give her a fist bump like you would a guy.

    Once again, polite sage.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:51 No.14258310
    hey OP, youre going to get a lot of suggestions about the sex aspect because, well, its about sex. But here's some tips on how to make her seem powerful when shes not crushing some guys cock with her thick, powerful vag lips.

    When she goes into small towns or villages of newly conquered peasantry, the people will scurry out of her way and run and hide in terror at the thunderous sound of her personal bodyguard marching down the road. The bodyguard carries her in a large shoulder-mounted carriage, adorned with silks and pillows and cloths from around her vast empire. She rests nonchalantly on the ornamentation, seemingly bored with the dull surroundings despite the fact that merely hours before her armies had torn through the countryside, raping and pillaging.

    When people talk to her, her voice drips with condescending pseudo-respect, a rich arrogance that few mortals can justify. She is such a mortal, and she knows it. So does anyone in her presence.

    She exudes an aura of confidence that is so overpowering, even brave explorers and warriors feel uncomfortable in her presence. Her every movement is deliberate, her large heavily-muscled body moves with a grace of startling delicacy, a testament to her terrifying skills and accuracy, dexterity and martial prowess. One could become entranced and mesmerized simply by watching her move. Rumors and stories of her on the battlefield describe her as a god among gods, clashing with giants and slaughtering them with titanically powerful attacks that were delivered with such speed as to seem almost invisible.

    Those who are well-versed in her arts of combat form her bodyguard, a cabal of terrifying war-mongers with stories that could scare a dragon out of its hide. Interestingly, their stories of combat and pillage and conquest pale in comparison to that of the warrior Queen.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:53 No.14258333
    >bumping a thread the board is clearly ignoring
    Learn some tact, man.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:55 No.14258358
    Read Oglaf.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:55 No.14258369
    hey this thread was active when i was typing it, but it went on a little long. dont be a hater
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:57 No.14258387
    yea seriously...that queen lady is insane
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:58 No.14258395
    >>Thread is still on Page 1

    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:58 No.14258402
    Why does everyone want her to have some big, buff, macho men? She's supposed to not NEED them.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)00:59 No.14258412
    because of what >>14258061 said.
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    >> helpful comrade 03/16/11(Wed)01:01 No.14258434
    Are you saying you can be a conqueror and not have a harem of sexy bitches to serve every desire you can think of at your beck and call? What are you, a moron?
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:01 No.14258437
    >>sexually active
    >>champion in the bedroom

    Needing is not the same as WANTING. These are all words used to describe her. And thus a male harem is the first thing that comes in mind to portray such traits.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:02 No.14258443
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    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:04 No.14258456
    I recommend reading the Artesia comic book series. The main character Artesia is a strong female leader with a lecherous and brash disposition.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:05 No.14258467
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    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:05 No.14258468
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    This is just me, but if I was in that role of being a true baddass warrior-king, gender irrelevant, I would have consorts, whom would be exemplars of the opposite sex for the civilization, who are invited by being a champion of contests or a within their own right impressive or powerful. essentially asking if the person wants to be friends with benefits to royalty... a good queen would create a civil court of suitors, rarely changing and more often reflecting a traditional marriage when resolved, where an evil queen would invite many conflicting consorts and manipulating them into bloody conflicts and etc.

    i guess TLDR Genghis khan, reinvented any way, should only have to do little more than offer invitation to willing suitors, a harem or much more structure would imply some kind of more lawful and prehaps corrupt idea contrast to the OP's idea
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    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:16 No.14258565

    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:19 No.14258603
    I'm amazed nobody has pointed out that to be truly Conanesque, she should be a lesbian, to match his wenching habits.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:20 No.14258610

    It's pretty easy.
    Make her competent, intelligent, and assertive.

    Picky about those she chooses to mate with.
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    Also, I think I'm out of SFW.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:22 No.14258641
    with a description like that, I almost wanna steal her for myself...

    ...if she'll let me.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:22 No.14258642
    Also a reasonable suggestion

    It's not slutty if it's with other girls
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:25 No.14258664
    Women get a free level for their first lesbian experience.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:27 No.14258685
    >Masculine women have to be lesbians
    Please don't do this.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:30 No.14258720
    ...drawfag needed
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:38 No.14258775
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    There's a difference there.

    She doesn't need anyone else to take over for her in her serious matters: she's a powerful, skilled warrior and and a competent ruler (judging by the fact she rules several large cities). She needs neither regent, nor general, taking on both responsibilties herself and carries out the tasks with her own mind and body.

    Sexual desire is wholly separate from the "I don't need anyone else, man or woman, to fight my battles for me." philosophy the OP is going for.

    As for the op, the first mistake you're making here is assuming that you have to characterize her in any special way just because she's a woman. Start with a strong, competent ruler archtype, and then make it a woman.

    Try to avoid making her stereotypically non-feminine; just because she is ruler material doesn't mean she has to be overtly butch. She should be able to wear armour and clothing that fits her feminine side, opting for gowns and the like for parties and galas when it suits her, and dress armour for other occasions. In the battlefield she fights and sweats and battles with the rest of them because she's pragmatic, but out of the frontlines she can still prefer to be bathed well and daily, as befits her status as a ruler, etc. She doesn't need to be denied, or to intentionally suppress, her feminine aspects to be a good ruler, or a good character.

    In regards to her actual sexuality, it shouldn't come up at all unless the PC's make fairly direct accusations, but it should be discussed in a simple, offhand manner as having "numerous consorts". It's nothing shocking, nor corrupt, nor excessive, it simply is, and NPC's don't run around whispering in dark corners about it and giggling or frowning reproachfully (at least, no more than they would for any other ruler's sexual proclivities).
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:38 No.14258778

    Agreed, this isn't Exalted, a woman can be powerful and still love the cock. Most women are straight, after all, power and strength wouldn't change that.

    Also, yes, it is still slutty if it's with girls.
    >> luffy316 03/16/11(Wed)01:38 No.14258779
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    i mainly imagine her being a clearly level-headed, authoritative woman who speaks and acts with confidence, but not the flowery showy kind of a politician. as for the sex, if she's chatting with the pcs, she could suddenly pause as a servant or even better, random guard or citizen goes by. she thinks, points at them, and goes "You!" jerks a thumb at her palace. "Bedroom. Wait." something on those lines, and the person very promptly obeys in mixed fear and excitement
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:40 No.14258800

    That's quite a bit into the Cliche area.

    I'm not certain I'd be able to take anyone such as that seriously, without a clear demonstration of non-martial competence.
    She's literally asking to get her soup poisoned.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:41 No.14258807
    > as for the sex, if she's chatting with the pcs, she could suddenly pause as a servant or even better, random guard or citizen goes by. she thinks, points at them, and goes "You!" jerks a thumb at her palace. "Bedroom. Wait." something on those lines, and the person very promptly obeys in mixed fear and excitement

    what i would give to be that guy...horry shet
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:41 No.14258808
    Inquiries, I mean to say, not accusations.

    Though I guess they could do that too.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:42 No.14258810
    I don't think that word means what you think it means
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:42 No.14258811
    Aw hell, even in Exalted that can be the case, despite the totally goofdickish fandom.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:43 No.14258820
    I pictured that scene perfectly. Love it.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:46 No.14258836

    She's literally, and not figuratively, asking to get her soup poisoned.
    The arrangement of pillows and pseudo-respect is, in fact, complex sign-language for "please poison my soup."
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    Party enters her camp and comes across this next to her tent.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:47 No.14258848
    ahh ok i get it now...

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    main thing i'd think is that she's in charge. whether you think so or not, she owns you, or could own you whenever she felt like it. you a strong guy? she believes she can crush you anyway. still stronger than her? she's got a damn empire to wipe you and your homeland out. she considers herself her own champion, knowing that this empire of her was built off of her own physical strength
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:51 No.14258864
    And you think a war-queen like here got to where she was without facing and even anticipating attempts on her life, both subtle and blatant?

    Odds are she's managed, by means either mundane or magical, to get herself in such a condition as to render an assassin's venom a moot issue.

    Fools die swiftly. The wise are blessed with long life.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:54 No.14258878

    If you DON'T want to introduce her right away, have the party wander through a town in her domain, who is about to send off a group of young men/women or a mix of both (depending on her orientation) as a tithe, she'll pick one from the group to add to her harem... she does this will all villages in her domain, it is a great honor to be chosen, and every village gives a tithe every X years.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)01:57 No.14258910

    That doesn't mean you need to annoy everyone you meet with arrogant displays and lack of diplomatic tact.

    Eventually, someone's going to invent gunpowder.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:08 No.14259000

    Exalted fluff is that bad, but can we please drop it? Let's not taint this discussion with trying to make her the Scarlet Empress, who is more of a El Presidente than Conan.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:12 No.14259030
    OP here, let's assume she's straight, the "all powerful women love vagina" trope annoys me too.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:19 No.14259098
    power is about control, command, the ability to make things happen and make people obey your will.

    Why not show off, to tell the world "I am powerful, see what my power has gained for me"? Why not take your pick of minions and haremites of both sexes, to tell the world "I am powerful, I claim for myself whatever and whomever I want to be mine"?

    To rule means you -make- the rules, you do not bow to the opinions and desires of others... unless their opinions and desires happen to coincide with your own, of course.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:19 No.14259099

    that's just fine. The main thing you're going to want to come up with though is that the other NPC's don't feel this is overstepping her bounds as a queen, but its an HONOR.

    These people love their queen (or fear her, depending on how you want your players to see her). She may have conquered these realms from a harsher tyrant, or she may have used a bit more guile, using her forces to muscle out a greater threat and protect the borders.

    Remember: Conan became a king because he himself slew the Aquilonian tyrant that preceeded him, not because he waged an imperialistic war.
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    Hi OP, I think we've pretty much covered it. Make her dominant and aggressive, but not necessarily in a bitchy way (the usual "tough women don't take no shit" garbage). She can be friendly and appreciative of her lovers, just make sure you emphasize that they're HER lovers, regardless of whether you make it a harem or a single partner. She isn't melting for them or whatever, she's not a Tsundere, she's just a confident and forthright woman who takes the forefront of the relationship.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:23 No.14259129

    Yeah, try switching the genders, and see if a male character in the same situation would be pushed towards being bisexual.

    Fuck you, and your ideas too.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:23 No.14259135
    I don't think you automatically become bisexual if you're powerful, and as it is the connection of "masculine women = lesbian" is so common that subverting it would be a refreshing change of pace (despite straight women being the majority).
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:25 No.14259150
    This. There's a depressing tendency to go either that way, or if she is straight to go towards what TV Tropes like to refer to as the All Amazons Want Hercules trope.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:26 No.14259172
    >how do you portray her as being strong
    Are you joking? The same way you'd do it for anyone else.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:26 No.14259173
    Who the fuck said anything about making her the Scarlet Empress?
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    Excuse me, m'lady! Are you aware that your hat is on fire?
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:29 No.14259194
    Christ, it's like most of /tg/ doesn't know any women. They're not an alien fucking species.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:31 No.14259222
    I could see a male being bi in such a situation as easily as I would a woman. Even the Greeks took male lovers, and though nothing of it. Power, sex, and wealth are an incredibly intertwined trio. To have one is to be able to gain the others.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:32 No.14259231
    I get laid regularly. Where's my wealth/
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:33 No.14259236
    I actually did something very similar with a male version of what the OP is proposing, and he WAS bisexual.

    His slaves/lovers ran the spectrum of voluptuous, exotic women to young, clean-limbed boys.

    And in the middle of it he just always seemed so bored with everything.

    The idea was to represent him as the sort of individual who had experienced so many pleasures in his life time that very little interested him anymore, and that he conquered for the sake of conquering, made love for the sake of making love.

    I had rationalized that maybe his need to keep pushing his army to make new lands his was partly motivated simply because he wanted to see something... new.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:33 No.14259238
    In any case, it goes either way. It's mostly the fandom interpretation.

    Now then, one thing I'm wondering about. What sort of things stand in her way? What has she conquered, and what does she know about what stands before her?
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    Having sex regularly DOESN'T make you fabulously wealthy and awesome!?
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:35 No.14259266
    Well, it's pretty awesome.
    But it hasn't made me wealthy.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:36 No.14259278
    you're just not fucking the right people.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:38 No.14259290
    It's mostly girls I met through either knitting or history courses, right now.

    Who should I be shooting for?
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:44 No.14259330
    the wealthy and powerful. wait, seriously, knitting? Pfft.

    >clitor wang
    Even captcha questions your manliness with that one.
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    I don't know about sexuality, but we played a WWI-esque game but with magic and shit, and one of the aggressor nation's top generals was a woman.

    She fought in war, was strong in her own right without depending on a man (unless you count her troops), and commanded respect and much of the army and invaded territory. There were a number of ways she was portrayed in this way, as competent and respected, but I think one of her own quotes summarized it quite nicely;

    "I have found that cruelty is an acceptable substitute for tactics."

    In terms of military prowess, she was not as tactically gifted as some other leaders, but she kept up the logistics and no force was as well supplied or well prepared as hers. In a different way she posed a threat. Roughly akin to what OP was looking for.

    Sexuality-wise though, she was simply married to some communications operator or something, a comparatively low rank. Nothing like a lecherous sexual champion OP seeks, but I guess you can't have everything.
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    don't be so quick to judge manliness on knitting.

    I've never met a marine that didn't know how to sew.

    who do you think has to mend their uniforms when they're out on deployment? There's no laundromats or tailors in a bombed out Iraqi village.

    as far as OP is concerned, pic related.

    The Celts: a history, by Peter Berresford Ellis

    read this book, specifically, read the chapter on Celtic women, and how they were total badasses.

    It will tell you everything you need to know about building a powerful barbarian woman.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:53 No.14259388
    Write a man. Change all references to being a male to female. You now have written a good female character.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)02:55 No.14259400
    fair point on the sewing... I just pictured "knitting" as being like someone's grandma making sweaters and stuff.

    >implying women can't be good characters unless they're men
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:08 No.14259485
    >wealthy and powerful
    I don't know any of those.


    You know how tabletop gaming is pretty much a male-dominated hobby?

    Knitting is the reverse. I've met so many women since I've started I don't even know, AND it's a useful skill.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:15 No.14259555
    I've had mixed results in dating women from all-female enviroments.

    Granted, I worked for the state and transported women to court ordered therapy where they teach you not to abuse your kids so that might have affected it a bit.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:19 No.14259574
    Probably not what OP is after, but she doesn't have to be musclebound or skull-splitting to lead armies.

    We had a revolutionary in our game, leading the full spectrum from peasants to great heroes, and we expect some great figure. We find out not only is it a woman, but a decidedly average (in stature) one. She was just extremely competent, efficient at what she did. A former analyst, her greatest skill was organization and running things, so that's what she did. In practice, she commanded the respect of kind and the brutal, the weak and the strong. In person she always just appeared very busy, and very tired. No time for celebrations or rest.

    Probably not what OP was looking for, but you don't need might, strength, or brutality to command power or respect.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:20 No.14259580
    Most of my high school friends were female, so it's nothing new to me.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:20 No.14259583
    >implying women can't be good characters unless they're men
    I think it was more about the fact that male characters are usually better-written than female characters, generally because female characters get too much authorial concern about "being girly" while male characters are more neutrally defined by their profession.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:20 No.14259584
    That book is freakin awesome
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:22 No.14259591
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    Not implying that at all. Most female authors agree, the moment you start thinking of a characters sex as their trait you've already backed yourself into a corner. Unless your character really does have a story that's specifically based on her gender it really shouldn't matter in the long run.

    Pic related is one of my favorite female characters and her motivation was never dependent on her sex. Someone already posted Motoko Kusanagi. Her usual outfits aside her gender very rarely comes up in relation to her character. If you HAD to have a strong female character who can only have a story told if they were female they do exist, a widow who assumes control of her husband's estate is a popular one. Women weren't seen as the owners of a property and being an unmarried widow was a loophole put one into a unique position of power as long as they didn't have any kids or brothers.

    But that's not really relevant to a barbarian character. In that case I stand by my point that you're better of designing her as a man and then changing references to her gender to fit.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:23 No.14259596
    Or you could just design both men and women as PEOPLE.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:25 No.14259611
    I can't wait to see the Mary Sue the OP churns out. Otherwise how about some god damn flaws?
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:29 No.14259637
    She's a one arm blind halfling who dies 2 minutes into the game.

    There, now she's /tg/ qualified.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:30 No.14259643
    Bene Gesserit in my KOTOR 2?
    It is more likely than you think.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:33 No.14259664
    Settle down, Beavis, that's literally the fucking point. Men get written as "people", women don't. The answer is to write women who have the diversity of men instead of awkwardly pissing yourself about WHAT DO GURLS LIKE, CAN GURL MAEK LOVE W/ MAN
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:34 No.14259677
    Well, obviously didn't bother to read what I wrote, so nevermind.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:35 No.14259684
    If I understand your position correct, you expect a fa/tg/uy, of all people, to have a basic comprehension about normal human behavior?

    I look forward to your next monolouge: "Fucking FISH, why don't they understand magnets?!"
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:36 No.14259692

    Does you setting have no kings? No heroes?
    >> Bragd 03/16/11(Wed)03:38 No.14259706
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    I can't help but think of this when you say that...
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:41 No.14259715
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    >Granted, I worked for the state and transported women to court ordered therapy where they teach you not to abuse your kids so that might have affected it a bit.

    Yeah that might have muddied the waters a bit

    Also, have any interesting stories about that job? For example, the most batshit women you've had to transport
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:42 No.14259724

    Flaws? Have her be an atrocious pedophile.

    Consorts? Frightened young children more like.

    Those of her force that are close enough to her to actually know of this, choose to look the other way.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:45 No.14259734
    If "being a pedophile" is her only flaw, it's not gonna come off like a flaw, if you know what I mean. And what I mean is that the players are going to think it's the DM's fetish.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:47 No.14259740
    Jesus man, you might as well ask what was the most retarded thing I ever read on /v/.

    But I'll try.

    The sheer craziest was the one got busted for practicing medicine without a license after the cops caught her offering home vasectomies for $75 a pop. Child protective services (my gig) was called in when it was revealed she had circumsized her own son in their apartment. The kid was 12 at the time this occurred.

    It later was revealed that she believed demons lived in penises and she had to carve them all out. During a visitation at the office she promised her 7 year old she was going to circumsize him as well as soon as she got custody back. Then she got into a fist fight with the voices in her head.
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    >>14259740 Then she got into a fist fight with the voices in her head.
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    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:48 No.14259750

    Just "a" flaw. There can be many more, but OP seems to paint sexuality as a big aspect of the character.

    So start there with flaws, and move on. I'm sure there's lots of room for more flaws, for this character.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:49 No.14259752

    The first thing is that her fundamental skill is not going to be her physical strength or prowess, rather it's going to be sizing people up and situations up very quickly and very accurately. No matter how strong you are, you have to know who you can trust, and who's going to put a knife in your back if you're going to run anything more than a handful of people. That'd be what I'd stress, the fact that when this woman looks at you you feel like an open book she's idly leafing through.

    Read up on Catherine the Great. That's the personality type you're dealing with. Someone who can pick out a first class person and set them to work. (Also bang tons of dudes)

    The other woman who's a good model is Elizabeth the First the "Virgin Queen", having her deliberately play it up in order to encourage associations with divinity and purity. In that case she'd only sleep with people she can absolutely trust, and running your mouth about your relationship with the queen would be a very good way to get yourself killed.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:52 No.14259762

    Either the OP is a troll or forcing his players to experience his fetishes. I'll bite.

    First you know, you might want to make your npc realistic. She doesn't have to be as beautiful as a nymph, as strong as an ox, or as tough as nails to be a leader. No all she needs to be is charismatic and relatively intelligent.

    After all, in the Conan stories I read, it wasn't Conan's strength that gave him fame. Indeed, next to some of the other characters, he was pretty pathetic. However, it was his brutal cunning and dire wit that truly won him glory. There are several instances where he out thinks wizards or defeats a much stronger opponent through his mind.

    For a relatively easy copy and paste, I'd use the Ungols from Warhammer Fantasy. These nomadic people live on the edge of the northern wastes, where they not only endure some of the harshest climates in the Old World but also fight off frequent chaos incursions. What's really important though is the society is matriarchal and it isn't unusual for women to serve along their famous horse archer rotas. So take from that what you will.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:53 No.14259764

    For you warrior queen, have her from a depleted a tribe where women outnumber the men. However, thanks to her leadership and intelligence, she turns the fortunes of her tribe around. She then proceeds to wage a bloody decade long conflict to unite the tribes. Finally, with a horde of swift horsemen behind her, she descends upon the decadent southern city-states, long grown complacent due to the tribes in-fighting. Using their economic base, she then crafts an empire in fires of war and industry.

    I would be moderate when describing this NPC. Have her be very fit for her age, a decade long war while constantly being on the move will do that to you. However, she should be plain in appearance. After all, being the most beautiful babe doesn't win you wars. Instead. describe how her charisma is almost palpable. Even the players feel they should obey she talks. As for how she dresses, I'd have her be humble, preferring either full battle dress or a plain tunic.

    Finally, as you want her to be romantically active, I'd say she prefers men who can match wits with her. These are the people she notices, both as potential lovers and enemies.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:55 No.14259773
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    >Then she got into a fist fight with the voices in her head.

    I am simultaneously awed at the sheer insanity and amazingly jealous of your job. That sounds like the most hilarious shit ever
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:56 No.14259779

    Yeah, mental illness is only funny to read about.

    I've been committed myself, it was the most boring time of my life.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:56 No.14259780
    1. Play her like Conan.
    2. Give her a vagina.
    3. ???
    4. Profit!

    Or yeah, like >>14258358 said, read more Oglaf.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)03:59 No.14259793
    > Conan
    > fucked a witch to death
    Make it known that she has done this. In fact, have her tell the story herself to a crowd of rapt and adoring listeners at the banquet table. She's comfortable with her sexual conquests, and fuck you if you're not.

    Also, have her punch a camel in the head. That's bad-ass.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)04:11 No.14259842
    Yeah. I lost sanity points at that job. It was NOT a good pain.
    >> luffy316 03/16/11(Wed)04:17 No.14259861
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    there's a joke me and my friend used in a story we made, where there's a pair of siblings, Sukemaru and Komikana (it's a manga parody about female sumo; sue me)

    don't recommend it in a serious situation, but the idea is that their father was a martial arts god of some sort. he was so powerful he killed his own name, and is openly nameless through the series. Sukemaru and Komikana are named after jokes like that, their names made up of suffixes of actual names for their gender (not quite strong enough to finish them off)
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)04:21 No.14259879
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)04:22 No.14259885

    Are you really gonna fuck us, tease?
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)04:22 No.14259887
    How anyone WANTS to work with mentally ill is beyond me. I had one month practice/internship at a mental institution for criminals when I was 18 and at school (not my choice where to be). The institution have four houses, A, B, C and D. A being lighter cases or people who soon will be out and about. Then moving down progressivly worse down to D. Everyone who had been violent in the other houses get sent to D.
    I was at D.
    Fuckers are unpredictable as hell, but luckily not much happend when I was there. Some woman had drenched herself in gas and lit herself on fire, another was a murderer and drug abuser, others highly intelligent but emotinally stunted/non existent etc.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)04:24 No.14259899

    I suspect working with the mentally ill is like any social service profession, you hang on to "For the good of the community" and the few cases where you can really help, and try not to let it get to personal the rest of the time.
    >> luffy316 03/16/11(Wed)04:27 No.14259911
    ...in what sense? it's a comic we're making and are past the design stages, so our artist is just making the first pages this week. Giant Queen Sakura is on its way!

    but if you mean the joke, -Suke and -Maru are just the endings to common japanese names, like Daisuke and Shitemaru. same with Komikana (Yuriko, tomi, nodoka, hina, for example)
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)04:31 No.14259930
    hey, OP, just make her act completely like a dude... no tricks!
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)04:31 No.14259937
    >you hang on to "For the good of the community"
    Fuck that shit, I just want a paycheck.
    For the record, I do not work with the mentally ill (for many reasons) and I never will.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)04:34 No.14259954
    Was meant to
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)04:36 No.14259972
    >When she goes into small towns or villages of newly conquered peasantry, the people will scurry out of her way and run and hide in terror at the thunderous sound of her personal bodyguard marching down the road. The bodyguard carries her in a large shoulder-mounted carriage, adorned with silks and pillows and cloths from around her vast empire. She rests nonchalantly on the ornamentation, seemingly bored with the dull surroundings despite the fact that merely hours before her armies had torn through the countryside, raping and pillaging.

    >When people talk to her, her voice drips with condescending pseudo-respect, a rich arrogance that few mortals can justify. She is such a mortal, and she knows it. So does anyone in her presence.

    >She exudes an aura of confidence that is so overpowering, even brave explorers and warriors feel uncomfortable in her presence. Her every movement is deliberate, her large heavily-muscled body moves with a grace of startling delicacy, a testament to her terrifying skills and accuracy, dexterity and martial prowess. One could become entranced and mesmerized simply by watching her move. Rumors and stories of her on the battlefield describe her as a god among gods, clashing with giants and slaughtering them with titanically powerful attacks that were delivered with such speed as to seem almost invisible.

    You have just created one NPC in my future campaign.
    >> luffy316 03/16/11(Wed)04:58 No.14260119
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    what i'm willing to offer up. GQS, a painfully normal schoolgirl chosen by the goddess of Bigness to transform into a 300lb super strong sumo wrestler to fight evil
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)05:18 No.14260229
    CPS fag here; no, no you don't. Especially when it's investigative social services and your lily white ass is walking through the ghetto at twilight looking for your retard clients.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)11:10 No.14261965
    Consider the following OP;

    What does it matter if she's perceived as a slut? She's the ruling queen of a formidable land with a sizable army. She commands respect either through speech or at the tip of a sword. Why should she care if some others call her names behind her back because she isn't bound to one companion? If it irks her enough she can always kill them herself or invade them. I would think that given all she's done, it's a granted that she should be afforded the freedom to do pretty much whatever she wants. She's a barbarian, warrior queen who fights in brutal war, not only has she earned it, but it's not like she's trying to serve as the example of "what an ideal woman should be" in her realm. After all, if she delivers on promises, brings wealth and glory and victory of war to her lands, what do her people care if she sleeps around?

    Also you've got to have example(s) of her turning former enemies, rival kings and nay-saying leaders who scoffed at her being a woman, into obedient little slaves. After defiling them in front of their court and people, or something like that.
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)11:27 No.14262126

    Bad mental image of the Queen being carried through town, or perusing fleeing refugees, with some guy catching her fancy and her violating him then and there. Much like a victorious pillaging champion.

    While the guy's wife is held back nearby, weeping and begging for her husband's maidenhead. Or something like that.

    >Wedding is crashed by Queen, groom is summarily "broken in"
    >> Anonymous 03/16/11(Wed)11:30 No.14262160

    She's the Gregor Clegane of her setting, except a woman.

    Do want.

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