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    246 KB ITT: We shamelessly appeal to nationalism. Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:17 No.13559636  
    Hey /tg/, wanna help with something? It's cool, I promise.

    Basically, me and some of my friends are part of a small company, set to produce a tabletop game for release in 2012. Well, I've been placed in charge of one of the army books, which is basically Earth's humans, and I had a really cool idea.

    The game's set in something like 2300, after an apocalyptic world war and the slow return to a semblance of stability, humanity has gone out into space and begun colonizing stuff, and now they're at war with aliens and other humans and an all-consuming army of robots.
    Well, I figured that since this is Earth, and at no point has humanity actually united under a world government or anything like that (it's more like the U.N. in space) that players might appreciate having the option of fielding soldiers from Earth's national armies. Most of the old order is still intact, though allegiances have switched, and some new stars have risen.

    What I want, and what I'd like you to provide for me with your knowledge of your various homelands and others, is what plausible (and recognizable for the public today) bonuses/drawbacks we should give to national armies, or special units that they could field alongside the more generic troops that are ubiquitous to the multinational armies.
    The big obvious ones are the United States, Russia, and China, who will probably get A lot of gadgets, A lot of hardass commandos, and A lot of men, respectively, but other suggestions are welcome. Technology is pretty soft, don't feel like you need to speculate on the future of warfare, we're just trying to make a fun game with cool fluff.

    So, show me what you've got guys!
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:19 No.13559662
    I call small units of elite, hardy light infantry for Canada! Tell me, in this speculative future, did the oft speculated upon war with America ever occur?
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:22 No.13559694

    -Lack of expensive weaponry, like only one Machinegun per Platoon instead of two
    -High Morale, Lots of men
    -Enemy decreases his Points for deploying/choosing an army by like 10%. Think about it. You call in air support while fighting the Mexican Army, you'll get laughed off the radio.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:24 No.13559743
    Luxembourg, don't know what to do with it, but always wanted to see it done.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:25 No.13559749
    Assuming the old UN laws are no longer entirely in effect, the Germans should have smaller numbers of troops with superior equipment. German engineering is legendary, but in WWII their obsession with perfecting their tech instead of making it practical and deploying more of it was part of their downfall.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:29 No.13559820
    Joint Task Force 2 is fucking badass. We may not have the best armed forces overall but our elite commandos are world class.

    Also, fucking lumberjack commandos.
    >> OP 01/17/11(Mon)22:32 No.13559857
    Eh... Yes. The Americans and the Russians tagteamed the Commonwealth in the 2100s. I think it was more a fight for oil reserves than an actual landgrab, and they discovered some sort of alternative energy source halfway through, rendering the exercise pointless.
    I do know that Toronto and Quebec were put to the sword, though, and the Americans lost Alaska to the Ruskies in the exchange.

    I hadn't considered Mexico. Sounds like a solid idea to me.

    That's a teeny little country. What should we do with it? I don't know anything about their armed forces... If they have armed forces.

    I like it. Once the whole U.N. thing broke down in the 22nd century, the Germans were the only ones in Europe who didn't immediately shift back into Imperialism mode, because they worked so hard to keep the memory of what happened last time alive. So they probably won't be invading anyone, but they are out there shooting bad guys and pushing the U.N.E. Character into peoples' faces.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:34 No.13559881
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    USA - best Aerospace, Jetpack Droptroopers
    Japan - Mecha
    Europe - Awesome French/German gravtanks, AFVs
    Russia/China - hordes of cheap conscript infantry
    UK (also CAN and ANZAC) - Best special forces (power armor)
    Middle East - Suicide Bombers
    Africa - nothing.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:36 No.13559916
    >put to the sword
    Wait, do you mean like ALL of Québec?
    Ouch dude. I mean, nothing of value was really lost, but ouch.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:37 No.13559937
    You must. There is no option.

    Japan MUST have laser swords and transforming mechs.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:39 No.13559965
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    >Germany becomes pic related
    Feels bad man.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:39 No.13559970
    When has something like a vastly underequipped opponent ever stopped the US from calling in air support? Or rather, from using air support first.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:42 No.13560000
    Canada has well-trained troops who are also taught to be able to take over a variety of positions and tasks in case any of their squad die. Unfortunately, our army is pretty small, and our tech is only mid-level.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:43 No.13560014
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    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:43 No.13560022
    >Lack of expensive weaponry, like only one Machinegun per Platoon instead of two
    Are you an idiot, or just have no clue what you're talking about.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:45 No.13560046
    Yeah seriously. Why would they ever need to massacre an entire PROVINCE? A huge one at that.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:46 No.13560061
    What about kamikaze? I think that would work better.
    >> OP 01/17/11(Mon)22:47 No.13560080
    >Middle East
    From what I understand from zee fluff, "The Caliphate" is actually a world power now. They lost the least in the apocalypse, and gained the most by everyone else getting blown back to the stone age.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:49 No.13560107

    For Luxembourg, we can say they have good bio/chem weapons or something. Expanded at a rapid rate, taking chunks of surrounding countries?
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:50 No.13560119
    Maybe the French put up a whole lot of resistance to their occupatAHAHAHAHAHA Oh god, no.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:55 No.13560199
    >> OP 01/17/11(Mon)22:56 No.13560219
    At risk to making them the "Bad Europeans" I'll go with that.

    I don't actually know. I think it was just a couple of cities burned down and then a Holodomr famine. The soldiers put up their harshest resistance there, and the retaliation was just to starve the people until they gave up.
    They didn't give up.

    Why not have both?
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)22:59 No.13560265

    Make them like the Nazis, but smaller and more xenophobic?
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:03 No.13560317
    What possible situation could occur in which the Americans would invade Canada?
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:03 No.13560327
    This is assuming there are any actual Germans, French and English left by 2100. According to current demographic projections Europe will be mostly Muslim by 2100 and part of the Caliphate.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:06 No.13560379
    So what happened to Down Under?
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:09 No.13560401

    He said Quebec and TORONTO

    Toronto is a city.

    There is a Quebec city in the province of Quebec.

    Think for a second. Thank you.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:09 No.13560414
    You do realize that muslims aren't a huge monolithic collective, right?
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:11 No.13560454
    It's Quebec City. If you're talking about the city, then you say Quebec City, since that's part of the name.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:11 No.13560456
    They've been jealous of our water and trees for so long and finally snapped?
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:14 No.13560497
    I recon Germany&France would have teamed up and made every other continental European country "their bitches". So with Europe being somewhat united, one should expect lots of high tech gadgets but with relative small numbers. If they're clever, they'll use Africans as the 2300-equivalent of meatshields.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:15 No.13560509
    No? That's why they don't refer to themselves as part of the Ummah? I see. Besides, what's your point?
    >> OP 01/17/11(Mon)23:15 No.13560519
    Australia didn't get nuked, I know that much. By my understanding it just went Mad Max for a hundred years and was then retaken by one of the major fiefdoms therein (Sydney I think) with support from the rebuilding commonwealth.

    That was addressed, actually. Most of Europe had a religious resurgence in the 21st century's later days, and some sort of hybrid religion formed that founded most of the offworld colonies. What's left of the religious folk in Europe are moderates, even amongst the Muslims.
    Ironically, even the Caliphate is pretty secular, it just keeps the face on for the public. The only hyper-religious state left on Earth is Spain, which went Full Catholic and ate Northern Italy up to the gates of Rome before the pope convinced them to stop.
    >> OP 01/17/11(Mon)23:19 No.13560582
    Oh, sorry. I think it was fissile material and oil. They ran out of money to buy it, and American politics went full retard. I think they ended up giving it back rather sheepishly, sans some stuff near New England and parts of Newfoundland, which they kept to maintain a stranglehold on the Atlantic.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:22 No.13560608
    Wait, Spain? As in SPAIN? What the fuck would they invade Italy for?
    ...Ah, of course. "For King, God, and to get rich."
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:23 No.13560615
    You so crazy, OP. Could you post the whole world future history so that we may gaze in wonder at it?
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:24 No.13560637
    I'll bet the French have been waiting on a new Empire for a long time now. So what should their military look like?

    I guess you could harken back to the Napoleanic days, and give them some sort of Imperial Guard equivalent. Except with FAMAS.
    ...Or maybe not.
    >> OP 01/17/11(Mon)23:28 No.13560685
    Oh. Sure, let me answer these guys' questions first, and then I'll see what I can dump.

    I like it. France and Germany, back to being world powers? Sounds like Maginot Line 2: Electric Boogaloo.

    They're pretty cool now, fluff-wise. They've still got a king, and we're thinking about giving them really hardassed commandos called Conquistadores, who infiltrate foreign countries and start Catholic revolutions, and stuff lie that.
    >> Anonymous 01/17/11(Mon)23:35 No.13560806

    You should consider Spanish Civil War style anarchist forces like the Iron Column, convict soldiers rock.
    >> OP 01/17/11(Mon)23:35 No.13560813
    Right, so. I don't want to just vomit out like 5 pages of text, because that's kind of a dick thing to do when I'm asking you guys for help. Also, one of my coworkers did that here a few months ago, and it didn't work out so well, so I'm a bit wary about walls of text.

    The size of it is, in about 2050, the Russians and the Chinese had a pretty enormous famine, something about a rice blight, a red tide the size of Greenland, and locust plagues.

    As a result, a war begins over the fertile lands of India, which have very well developed agriculture, but pretty feeble military strength compared to the two Red Giants.
    Problem is, as usual, nobody trusts Russia, and China moves to secure the whole of India for itself. Pakistan also chips in to snag a slice of its own. Russia gets pissed, and enters a long, tedious land war to try and steal as much land back from China as possible.

    Well, nuclear warfare is out of the question, since the two countries are adjacent and could definitely annihilate each other totally if they were determined to, and tactical nukes would be pointless, since the land they're fighting on is the land they're fighting for.

    Those two keep at it, and the world's economy suffers.
    >> OP 01/17/11(Mon)23:48 No.13560960
    With fuel supplies already running low, the rest of the world begins squabbling over what's left. There's a lot of talk of colonization of other worlds (mostly seem as a stupid pipe dream by the public) which is funded by a few quiet, but very influential private interests, like the Church of Christlam, which was founded in 2053 as some sort of Islamic/Christian/Hebrew Abrahamic combi-sect. It got huge popularity with the disaffected generation, thanks to its very charismatic leadership, and optimism, which many considered anachronistic.

    The Russians and the Chinese and their allies decide to cut their losses and leave the table with what they've got, but it's a bit too late. The hearts of the world skip a collective beat after an enormous accident (or, some say, not an accident) lit oil fields and natural gas reserves aflame worldwide. The covert war had, apparently, not died with the overt one. Everyone had fired under the table at once while shaking hands over their new "peace." What followed afterwards was a slightly less well considered nuclear war in 2085. The very same war the Russians and the Chinese had sought to evade,

    It wasn't total devastation. It wasn't even nuclear winter levels of devastation. The strikes were surgical, but they were still sufficient to put every country on Earth back into the dark ages for decades. The death toll was in the hundreds of millions from the initial strikes, and later blossomed into nearly a billion through the aftermath and shortages that followed.

    A collapse of organized government that lasts nearly 40 years begins. It wasn't until 2130 that the damage began to come under control.
    >> OP 01/17/11(Mon)23:57 No.13561090
    I'm not entirely clear on the 2100s, but I do know stuff that happened there. Most of the world's centralized knowledge and scientific infrastructure was destroyed, but plenty of experts were left to piece together what had survived. The knowledge wasn't lost, so much as the facilities and industry required to do anything with it.

    By 2150, cities were beginning to properly rebuild, and a move back from agrarian life to proper cosmopolitan existences came around. A few wars did occur (The Americans scrapping it out with the Canadians, Japan trying its hand at Australia, and much of Africa uniting under the iron fist of New Zimbabwe, which became the world's foremost agricultural power... Spain invading Italy, Russia and Sweden fighting over some of the Baltic, Germany and Denmark, I know for a fact that France and England fought at least once. Ireland also invited Spaniards into its midst to try and secure its freedom from England, which was a poor decision.)

    These small wars continued until around 2200, at which point the world had regained some of its population density, and most of its technological and industrial progress. It was then that the U.N. was reformed properly, and set up contact with its old off-world colonies, and found out that they were technically at war with six alien Empires at this point, since the capital of every colony was still technically on Earth.

    And now, about fifty years later, after some wars in space and colonial dickery, Earth is back on its feet and ready to take on the universe. And itself. Maybe a bit of both.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:03 No.13561164
    Wait, there are aliens and colonies involved? How big are the colonies? They must've been big enough to survive independently of Earth.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)00:07 No.13561227
    They aren't really my project. But some of them are about as big a deal as Earth. One, you could argue, is actually a bigger deal. The crazy religious folk from the Centauri system have as many people, and a lot more industry, but less technology, and they're a lot more warlike, etc etc etc. But they're the dark grimy army, not the cool, slick, futuristic army that Earth is.
    Kind of Imperium as opposed to Tau.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:09 No.13561247
    Damn it, the Swedes are back? Do you know how long it took to break them the first time? It took something called THE GREAT Nordic war. As in, of all Nordic Wars, that one was the biggest.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:15 No.13561317
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    Ok, so wait. Earth is actually the high tech guys? I was sort of assuming they'd be the post-apocalyptic dudes just clawing their way out of the gutter. We can go proper Tacticool! How common is powered armor? Is it, like, ubiquitous? Does everyone have it, or is it just special forces and stuff? Because slapping down full regiments of power armored SAS would be fucking boss.
    Oh oh oh, or Blackwatch, power armored with kilts, YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:16 No.13561333
    Any man who puts a kilt on powered armor deserves to fucking die.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:24 No.13561449
    They're sort of back. They're not really the same beast they were way back when, and they... Well in short, they didn't exactly come out ahead against the Russians.

    I guess they could just paint the tartan on. Since this is a miniatures game (we've actually got a really cool modeler doing stuff for us, costs a mint though) we kind of want there to be a lot of modeling options and potential paint-schemes.
    Giving a precedent for expressing a regiment's proud lineage via paint scheme is something I strongly encourage. Maybe it'd be smart to do some research on historical regiments with strong backgrounds and include them as examples.

    As an aside, Powered armor is actually very available, it's just not always optimal for any given task. It's big, it's clunky (even the lightweight stuff has a top speed of like 7mph on a flat course at a full run) and you can hear it coming from a mile away. It's mostly there for assaults and city fighting, stuff like that. Regular duty sees unpowered infantry in use far more often, even in heavy combat zones.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)00:25 No.13561457
    Sorry, forgot mah OP. Doin' me some browsing.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:34 No.13561584
    Americans should have a fuckton of robotic weapons and vehicles. Predator drones make their air support cheaper and faster to deploy, and they should have a bunch of very hardy and advanced ground vehicles.

    They should have at least one weaponized bipedal robot in the vein of ED-209, which essentially functions as a compact yet heavily armored platform for heavy weapons.
    Their basic infantry receives less training than that of other nations, and is often not as well-equipped, but they have the best morale on the planet (murricah!)
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:40 No.13561661
    Alright, I've got a few questions here. Figure it might be pertinent to the discussion.

    First off, less fluff related, more gameplay mechanically, do you have extensive aerospace/artillery presence on the battlefield? Because a lot of times, countries that specialize in modern warfare have a lot more going for them militarily on the air than on the ground. The Americans are sort of the penultimate example of this because they positively piss full spectrum dominance, and when denied of it, they aren't that respectable as a military.

    Secondly, are these people still fighting conventional land wars? Your original post suggests that they are, but I want to be sure before I begin giving suggestions. The reasons for this are simple: Most of the imagery and military history we've got going for some of the countries you might want to include predate the age of modern warfare, much less the age of Power Armour and satellite lasers.

    Thirdly, how do you feel about, say, the Balkans? Did they get absorbed into the Russian alliance, or are they all Muslims now or something? Because I've heard that Africa has its shit together now, the Muzzies have their shit together, Spain has its shit together... What about the Slavs?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:45 No.13561746
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    The US should be mobility, surveillance and firepower. No matter where you are, they are watching you, and have some sort of long range weapon pointed you way.
    That, combined with the US's dislike of taking losses and pre-armageddon COIN operations means they use a lot of drones. (Robots being completely unable to even think of commiting war crimes.) Drone Minime tanks, flying drones for everything from scouting buildings to owning the skies. These drones go all the way from Semi-sentiant dust clouds to track important targets all the way. up to infamous "Drone Hives", massive super high-altitude blimps carrying hordes of scouts, strike fighters and bombers ready to dive on the enemy.

    Even more then in old times the US mantains air-mobility, sacrificing heavy and superheavy units to put what they have wherever it needs to be quickly. The US still maintains heavy armor, and such but those weapons frequently find battles won before they arrive.
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    US support which might exist in game.
    --Extensive scouting and intelligence made possible with super high altitude spy planes and robot dust.
    --Drone heavy infantry and armor, which have much faster reaction times then mere humans, and much more durability because Steel in stronger the Flesh. As well as Drone Hives and other, heavy drone units.
    --Rapid Strike Forces, whether Robotic or American the US can put boots on the ground very quickly, ranging from drone regiments, to platoons of marines (or Drone infantry) dropping from the sky in assault craft.
    --Fire support. Ranging from quickly moved kill sats to Drone bombers Death from Above is very true for US fire support.

    I don't know what kind of technology we're talking about, but I expect the US would be fairly high in the curve, what with the huge military budget and all.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:48 No.13561780
    Why are they less trained/equipped?
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)00:48 No.13561787
    I like it. America in this little story has gone forwards and backwards at the same time. They've dropped the whole world police thing, and started acting like a country with limited resources and an axe to grind, just like everyone else. So they might be lacking some of the "Democracy ho!" attitude, but exchanged it out for good old fashioned nationalism. And why not? They weren't the ones who blew the world up.

    Oh. We've got airstrikes and strafing runs factored in, and there are rules for fielding light mortars, and calling in heavy ones from off-table, that sort of thing.

    On the note of land wars, yes. We're trying not to stay too far from the public's understanding of war.

    About the Balkans, that's kind of weird actually, one of our lead developers is a Serb. That whole region hasn't been forgotten or anything.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)00:51 No.13561823
    Indonesia: Being a low-profile target in the Chinese-Indian war, Indonesia got a lot of refugees from India and Pakistan. Then when Russia bites off chunks from China, some Chinese refugees also went to Indonesia. Then the resource push happened, and Indonesia joined the ASEAN to protect ASEAN land from Chinese or Japanese encroachment, with whatever small military it got. But, when the nukes start flying, ASEAN didn't get severe nukes, in fact only two or three strikes, and one of them is the result of a Russian nuke aimed at China getting its gyroscope bonked.

    But, due to the panic it's caused, some riots and political upheaval happened, and Indonesia at that time lacked a charismatic leader. So for a short period of time, Indonesia became an anarchistic country, but the spirit of Bhinneka Tungga Ika turned to be stronger as the younger generations learned from the ASEAN union. Currently it's being an agricultural and cultural powerhouse, after being reunited under a charismatic leader. Using its export profits, Indonesia's trying to rebuild its military, and the refugees is now integrated into Indonesian society.

    As for its army, maybe it gains jungle and urban guerilla bonus? Mostly old equipment, but there's also the newly-bought tech. Maybe some ex-Chinese mechs smuggled in by the refugees? Or based on Chinese blueprints smuggled by refugees?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:51 No.13561834
    What isn't robotic yet, is mostly peacekeepers and other people who need to talk and cannot just be a large killing machine.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:54 No.13561869
    It's a stereotype of varying veracity that the Americans put more emphasis on their tech than on the meat holding it. Though I'd never say that American soldiers are actively deficient, I don't think that man for man, by and large, they're a match for the British, who have (by necessity) much higher training and recruitment standards.
    Though the British are a bad example, since they've consistently displayed themselves incompetent at modern warfare. The Soviets would be a better example, except they ALSO suck at modern warfare (lol siege of grazni).

    I guess... You know. Like Israel or something. They're really good at this sort of thing.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)00:57 No.13561897
    Comparing anyone to Israel, military wise, is just unfair. They're like a modern day Prussia.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)01:02 No.13561997
    Jeeze, now you're cooking with gas guys!

    I like it. A lot of robot soldiers would also help take the edge off of the American public's weak stomach for casualties.

    This is so good it's going straight into the canon. It's not like we had anything better.
    I can see an emphasis on jungle fighting if they did a lot of counterterrorism and peacekeeping work in Indochina and whatnot too, some of the densest jungle in the world as far as I know. Maybe, as a result, they'd have superior light infantry. Must be a bitch to move powered armor through swamps and whatnot.
    >> teka 01/18/11(Tue)01:03 No.13562003
    If you have distinct subgroups within the whole "from earth" category it might be cool to see a ruleset to cover PMCs/Mercenary Armies.

    Because while SPACE-UN is great and there is national identitys recovering, i figure there are still situations where you would have men in the field who were working for a paycheck, not a flag.

    Just some rules that make it easier to mush up, say, US power-armor and Chinese artillery units, backed up by not-top-of-the-line Brazilian air superiority fighters, etc.

    Just a thought.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:03 No.13562007
    Speaking of which... What happened to Israel?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:05 No.13562030
    What happened to Austria? As an Austrian I have a vested interest in this.

    Maybe a German + Austrian super-state that took over the World-police duties of America?

    Germany seems like the kind of army that would be all power armor, elite troops with gasmasks, chemical warfare, and railguns.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)01:06 No.13562053
    Ausfag here. I've got some inside info on the Aussie Army if ya need any pointers. I mean, ya can't NOT have Space Australians, right?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:07 No.13562071
    Solid thinking Teka, a good point. I'll bet that at this point, you could probably grab Virtual Reality training simulations for fighter jets and stuff off of bittorrent. The private sector would suddenly become viable, as there are large cadres of people with the know-how floating around, and you only need to pay them on a job-to-job basis.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)01:08 No.13562087
    Most Australians are the first space colonists, what with their ability to withstand extremes and such.
    Maybe most Australians go to Mars?
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)01:11 No.13562137
    What, a red, barren desert seemingly inimical to all life?

    Geeze, just add a few hyper-dangerous (and by a few, I mean about ten shitloads) critters and it'd be almost like home!
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)01:13 No.13562158
    Israel took a beating in the armageddon war, but they gave better than they got, and are actually still standing up to the Caliphate, despite constant border skirmishes, because they're getting support piled onto them by America, parts of Europe, and a lot of the offworld colonies which have religious reasons to support the kingdom of jerusalem.

    Remember the whole... Spain invading Italy thing? Well they had it ought with the Austrians in the process. That's still sort of going on, but Austria-proper has taken up arms again alongside Hungary and Poland to maintain order in the very, very chaotic region. Given that Germany is everyone's best friend in Europe, it stands to reason they'd be working with them too. Sort of a Super Mario Brothers thing. Except German.

    Who indeed? Hell yeah I want me some info, I like Australia. Minus the giant spiders and the Fosters. Fosters is terrible. Is that why you export it all? No offense.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:14 No.13562171
    Hey, OP, is there a reason why India didn't use it's nukes against China or Russia when they simultaneously invaded?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:14 No.13562174
    Why doesn't Austria just merge with Germany anyways? I've always been a bit confused about Austrian history post-WWI
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)01:14 No.13562183
    Oop, sorry I missed you too. I've always been a bit suspicious of mercenaries in real life, but it'd make for a really cool army, so I'll support it every way I can.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:15 No.13562197

    Because the last Austrian who came over sort of messed things up for us Germanfags.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:16 No.13562215
    And India could use human wave tactics just as well as China, and far better than Russia. Russia's days as a human wave would be long gone forty years from now.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)01:20 No.13562280
    They were invaded from three directions by countries, all of which had actual nukes... But all of which were also as keen to fight each other over chunks of India as they were to fight India over chunks of India. So rather than risk the potential annihilation of a counter-attack, they bided their time until the invaders had tired themselves out, and then pushed back all at once.
    Ironically, this coincided exactly with the whole nuclear war thing, which they had spent eons trying to avoid. But specifically because of this, India suffered almost no direct attacks, just misses or periphrial strikes at occupying troops. They then pushed back, hard, and retook basically everything they lost, and more.

    They then spent 200 years slowly sinking their teeth into the Caliphate, which had its hands full with Cossacks and the Israelis.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:22 No.13562312
    It's not often you see an INDIA STRONG setting. Not often at all.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)01:26 No.13562373
    Australia has 25% of Earth's Uranium. So, in the leadup to the nuke-fight, they'd have a sweet deal going with the Commonwealth.

    Australia has always had a small army with relatively okay tech level (about middle, we use Steyr AUG's and Minimi's), but their real strength comes from the soldiers themselves. They're survivors, born and raised in an environment designed to kill them. So few numbers, average tech but superbly fit and trained soldiers.

    Of course, their nuking at the hands of the Commonwealth's enemies would have knocked them back a bit. Without their main population centers (all near the coast) their only way to escape radioactive fallout would be to head inland, farther into the desert..

    Sound good so far?
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)01:29 No.13562412
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    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:30 No.13562427

    I agree.

    Since there's so much jungle and what-not, I'd focus on the SE Asian nations' specialization on the aforementioned light infantry, specifically with things like physical fitness bonuses, fieldcraft strength, stealth in forests/jungles, and snipers. Also, since Indonesia is all jungles and islands, I'd imagine that their air force would focus mostly on close infantry support and transport with VTOLs.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)01:32 No.13562467
    So we got some mad max shit going on here. Fuck all resources, and everyone fights over what little that there is. Those that survive will come out as self-sufficient, ruthless and able to live off the land (the aborigine people have an advantage here, I can see them making a comeback). Basically...tech would be shit for a long time, and numbers would be tiny...but holy shit, the actual soldiers...well, more gang members. XD

    We're talking possibly the scariest people, and they'd know their land. Think a mix between Tusken Raiders and fucking trapdoor spiders in tactics.In fact, they'd HAVE to live underground to escape the damn sun and get some water wells going.

    Oddly enough...I see Tasmania being ignored by the nukes (who'd waste a nuke on Tassie), and therefore the little island state would be pretty much unscathed, and wondering why the rest of the world isn't talking to them anymore. Which is cute, no?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:34 No.13562487

    I love you. I can't wait to play as the Neo-Austro-Hungarian empire.

    So they're quelling all the problems with the balkans since they obviously can't take care of themselves? And Austrians are catholics, do they just oppose spain? Or what have it?
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)01:35 No.13562509
    Fremen and Catachans, on Earth. May the enemies of mankind beware.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)01:42 No.13562593
    And most of the military fund goes to the Navy, what with the archipelago setting. Also, we try to keep a good relation with Aussie, because they're Fremen-tachans, and we don't want getting invaded by them...
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)01:48 No.13562684
    Fremen? I need to watch me some Dune to learn more about 'em.

    So we start to get individuals banding into gangs in order to survive. These guys are semi-nomadic, they'd dig their caves, set up and forage for a while before packing up and moving out, either digging another cave when they feel like stopping or moving into a previously vacated one.

    Inside a gang, you'd get good old Aussie mateship - any bloke in the gang would die for his friends. (I'm imagining a very high morale rating here), and the bloke in charge would usually either be the one that everyone else wanted to be in charge, or the bloke that'd beat the shit outta ya if ya questioned his orders. Could go either way.

    Now we could go a couple of ways from here. We could say as the nations rebuilded, these army-gangs started to hire themselves out as mercenaries in return for resources and technology, or we could say that they managed to somehow get their shit organized and start relations with the Commonwealth again.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)01:48 No.13562685
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    It's a weird setup, alright. The Spanish are Catholics, but their interests are hardly in line with those of Rome. They basically have a gun at the Pope's head, and they're determined to unite Catholicism against what they see (possibly realistically) as a looming heathen threat. Both the Muslims of the Caliphate, and the Christlums in the colonies (particularly Chiron) are strong enough to seriously threaten the established order... And both are led by very ambitious men.

    Meanwhile, the Balkans immediately collapsed into factional warring upon the end of the world, but Serbia, as usual, picked then to spawn a genius and figured out how to make powered armor practical and affordable. With this, they rolled most of the rest of their little penninsular hellhole, captured Macedonia and parts of Greece, and destroyed much of Turkey, to the point of bombing Istanbul. It's now the Austrian-Hungarian-Polish alliance's difficult task to curb their aggression before they give the caliphate an excuse to invade Europe-proper. But they're also dealing with Spain, and the Russians.

    Russia is worth special mention, as the Cossacks, upon the fall of the government, arose again as the protectors of the people during the times of anarchy. Of course, they also did their share of raiding and plundering, but the point remains.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)01:50 No.13562713

    Actually, given proximity and the fact that our people would have a lot in common (we kill shit from sand, you kill shit from trees, we're both generally scary but lower-tech) we'd probably get along just fine.

    I'm imagining that Aussie and Indonesia would be on excellent terms. Maybe something akin to the brotherhood between Australians and New Zealanders now?

    Speaking of them Kiwis...we can't let the Maoris out!
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:51 No.13562740

    German/Pole/Hungarian police force assemble!
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:52 No.13562753
    Great army color scheme, or greatest color scheme? You be the judge.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)01:53 No.13562763
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    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)01:59 No.13562860
    OR Aussie and Indonesia first had a big punch-up when they met each other again. Of course, it was a bloody stalemate. Moment any Aussies set foot in the Indonesian jungle, the Indonesians would go all Predator on their ass, whilst the second Indonesians try their luck in the Aussie desert...well, let's just say Guardsman Marbo and leave it at that.

    Eventually, I see them deciding that they're pretty cool guys and forming an alliance.

    Include the Maoris, and we have a terrifying low-numbers, low-tech but insanely skilled alliance going on here.

    In fact, I think that if we teamed up and took over Antarctica, we would be able to form a decent world power in our own right.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)02:00 No.13562872
    Ooh yeaaah, Oceanic Confederation fistbump! Bros yo. :D
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)02:02 No.13562906

    Oceanic Confederation?
    I like the sound of this. Can we use this name and become a world power, OP? Pretty pleaaase?

    Oh, and we must get cloaking tech at some point. With high-tech gear but low-tech weapons and better physical stats than the others, we could actually go Predator on the world!
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)02:05 No.13562947
    Well, we're still researching it, currently. Oceanic Confederation = Aussies + ASEAN + New Zealand + PNG...
    I can see the future, and it is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:07 No.13562970
    Yeah, I think both sides would be all about light mobility and stealth, infantry-wise. I imagine that, rather than heavy powered armor, they'd use sealed hardsuits like the ones from Crysis, especially due to the rough environments they'd frequently fight in.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)02:08 No.13562976
    Terrorists your game is through, 'cause now you have to answer to...
    Austriopolandhungary, Fuck Yeah! (bah-wee-boo-wee-boo-wee-boo-yeah.)

    I like it! A former prison colony and that little part of Southeast Asia nobody in the west ever remembers, together, they fight crime! And New Japanese Empire aggression.

    Yeah... Serbia is that guy who stabs you at your retirement sendoff because you knocked over his drink at a birthday party when you were both in high school.
    >> Shakomatic !AXnsfQqEjA 01/18/11(Tue)02:12 No.13563014
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    America would run basically two different forces
    an army and a special forces army

    first will be shitloads of men second will be specailized units

    the american "fleet" would be in constant use for support over w/e planet

    we would use hard hitting massed men in a all out wa scenario

    use hearts and minds in a gurilla scenario

    america is big on blue for dress uniforms and big on green for battle dress our vehicles/basic soilders should not use camo because by 2300 or w/e we will have realized that camo is pointless to the average solider

    us will have all specail forces in advanced camo while normal soilders wear the olive battle dress

    we have the star in the picture on all of our vehicles

    america is big about throwing a shitton of men at something but unlike the ruskies we care how many die
    >> Shakomatic !AXnsfQqEjA 01/18/11(Tue)02:13 No.13563031
    also us annexes canada cause it is gonna happen eventually

    none of this join with them we are just gonna take it
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:16 No.13563056
    MURRIKAH- Elite heavy infantry in exoskeletons, Jetpack assault squads, WART FUCKING HOG in SPACE, Air superiority and Force Projection
    China/India (coz u know India also has a billion people) - Cheap Units, ALOT OF TROOPS, Lightly armored, Light Infantry,
    Russia - FIREPOWER, Best Armored Mech, Chemical Warfare Artillery
    Europe - Hitech shit, elite light infantry, blur suits (stealth field), stealthy teleported from a spaceship to the battlefield, energy weapons
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)02:16 No.13563058
    Ooh! Aussie will accept Canadian refugees, under the condition that they keep the mountie legacy alive and be Mechanized Infantry / Armoured Cavalry.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)02:17 No.13563071
    In addition to being about America, this is also one of the most American bricks of text I've ever seen. It's a statement, not a suggestion, and though it is at times delivered bluntly, it is... Somehow charming.

    As an aside, then, I salute you, for being incredibly American.

    What you say is mostly reasonable, as well.. I actually like the idea of a return to form, as it were, for the Americans. Less of this wishy washy low-casualty crap, more honest, front and center ass kicking.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:18 No.13563100
    Yeah, the Canadian/American war was mentioned above, apparently you Yanks stole Quebec!
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)02:21 No.13563132
    Harsh deal, mate. Makes me wonder where those bloody Commonwealth pommies were when that happened. They shoulda had your back.

    Then again, they don't care much for French Canada, do they? Hmmm...yea, you guys are welcome to hang out with the...

    Actually, I'd best ask my allies the Indonesians first before I make promises on behalf of our Confederation.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:21 No.13563135
    It actually doesnt fit the US combat doctrine though

    Us combat doctrine involves Well Trained and Well Armed Ground army and SHOCK AND AWE aerial capability

    its more likely that countries with alot of people to spare (ei China, India) will be like that
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)02:22 No.13563145
    And robots. You can't go and let people die out there, whatever will the people back home say?...
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:23 No.13563156
    Also lots of fucking carriers
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)02:24 No.13563175
    Hell yeah, we can train our Preda-Fremens some Lumberjack Commando. We'd be learning about cooperation (JTF) and Woodland survival (our spies/saboteurs/special forces could use it).
    If it's OK with you, bro!
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)02:26 No.13563201
    I like the idea. Canada didn't lose all (or even most) of its territory, since the Americans never penetrated too far North, and returned most of what they'd secured once the need for oil evaporated, as a show of good faith. You know. Try to win back some of the old allies. It's... Well, frankly it's not working, but they're in bed with Russia now, which probably makes up for it.

    Oh, and for those concerned, South America is like four hells in a bottle, shaken, not stirred. Spain came back with a vengeance, and is now doing battle with Brazil along with its fights in Europe. Mexico's also fighting its way South for the resources, mostly running on US currency.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:26 No.13563203
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    sooo...You guys are making a warhamer clone that wont sell...cool

    not really cool
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:30 No.13563255
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    Hey, dirtworshipper, if my hat wants mechanized horses and bright red power armor, then they'll get it. It's their right as American continent-sharers.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:31 No.13563269
    still wont sell
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:33 No.13563284
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)02:34 No.13563291
    Please people, let's not feed the troll. WE know that this thread has a lotta good stuff in it - and coming up with these ideas is bloody fun. Doesn't matter what the troll thinks.

    Hmm...so we have Canadian mountie refugees now. Excellent.

    Now. What the fuck am I going to do with Tasmania? They've so far spent the last few years basically wondering who turned the rest of the world off. Hmm...
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:35 No.13563304
    OP, you really ought to incorporate higher or lower sea levels, because an almost-nuclear holocaust combined with another hundred years of unrestrained industrialization is going to have some serious consequences.

    http://flood.firetree.net/ shows a 14 meter increase in sea level at maximum. Just something to consider in the fluff anyway.

    I agree with the above comments about the robotization of American armies. But we'd still be fairly well advanced, but how so? Are we all still plugging at each other with granddaddy's old AK47, or do we have the interesting Mass Effect style of delivery system?
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)02:38 No.13563328
    It does my heart good to see such good will between nations!

    Of course, the official explanation for the lack of intervention is simply deployability. The commonwealth relies quite a bit on the American Navy for large scale deployment abroad, with that suddenly gone... There just wasn't any way of stopping them that far away on an effective timeframe, especially not with the state of Europe at the time. The French were invading, don'tcha know. Part of the reason Quebec got hit the hardest was that the snow frogs were rebellious before the Americans got there, and wasn't quite as welcoming of them as they had expected.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)02:47 No.13563411
    I've got a pretty good handle on the technologies involved.
    One of the big ones is that some Russians and Americans stuck their heads together and figured out how to increase the mass of light.
    As in, make photons weigh more. They can't do it much, but it was a good method of propulsion for ships initially.

    Then the Serbs weaponized it, and for the second time, ruined war for everyone. The standard P.I. (Powered Infantry) weapon is a laser rifle (fires semi-auto ish) that also hits with the force of a 17th century cannonball. It weights about 250 pounds, but that's not too prohibitive for a guy in power armor.

    The idea has spread around, and it's been improved upon in some regions, and made more practical in others. For unpowered infantry, gunpowder weapons are still the standard, but they tend to use bullets with high-tech payloads and the like.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:48 No.13563418
    I agree with America's ideas. Drones, drones everywhere. Real people are for special jobs that we can't talk about without both of us disappearing. We hate body bags and casualties and losing. So send shit that we can just make at home while watching Irradiated Jersey Shore.

    I don't know if at this point Murika would still have its fabled force projection. A lot of that relies on the fact that we camp out in other nations in the event we need to throw Marines at something.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)02:49 No.13563420
    Us smaller, tougher nations gotta stick together mate!
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:49 No.13563428
    >14 meter increase
    Raise your hand if your city is now underwater.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)02:50 No.13563435

    Wait. We have uranium and we've got tunnels that can double as mines.

    DU rounds outta the freakin wazoo, methinks. DU railgun rounds, perhaps?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:50 No.13563438
    Well by the sound of it, the Americans and the Russians are all but fucking in public, so while they've probably lost in raw power, they might actually have increased in projection.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)02:53 No.13563456
    Our coasts are gone, but hey, they were filled with radioactive fallout anyway so we weren't living there.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)02:53 No.13563458
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    Indeed, who needs lasers, when you have bullets (and balls) of depleted uranium?

    The Oceanic Alliance will show those Slavs that Light...


    ...Doesn't make Might.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)02:55 No.13563469
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    A... Fair analysis.
    Incidentally, just so you know in advance... There's some talk in the upper echelons of the production team of Putin still being alive. Well... "Alive." Some sort of Rasputin thing.

    Well played.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)03:01 No.13563508
    Wait a minute, I knew this sounded familiar, are you from the Caliburn team? I was unsure until you mentioned Chiron, but this is all sounding very familiar. The Solar Confederacy, right?
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)03:06 No.13563551
    Yeah, that's us, and that's this. The last threads sort of ended in disaster, if what I heard was true, so I'd thank you not to bring them up. We had the new guy on that one, but now by the order of the Serb, we're to "run silent" on the project at large.
    >> Centurion 01/18/11(Tue)03:11 No.13563598
    Could we hear a bit more about this new Japanese Empire? Sounds expansive, but with America and Russia best friends forever they seem kind of at a loss for room to expand. Empires need colonies after all.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)03:12 No.13563611
    Oh. Sorry, I'll leave that one alone then. I'm glad the project's still going, though.

    On topic, what's going on in Africa? I've got some family in Morocco, so I've got a bit of an interest in that.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)03:14 No.13563625
    Last I heard, Japan and Aussie have been duking it out for quite a while.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)03:21 No.13563693
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    All commonwealth countries have the option to bring pipers.

    Fuck stealth, we want the bloody xenos to shit themselves when they hear us coming.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)03:22 No.13563699

    Finally, a worthy adversary. I mean seriously, since we teamed up with the Indonesians and the Kiwis, it's just been shooting conscripts and robots all day. -=Sigh=- So dull.
    >> Centurion 01/18/11(Tue)03:22 No.13563701
    What if the xenos have no ears?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)03:23 No.13563706

    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)03:24 No.13563709
    Ahh, now there's a good question.
    Well the size of it is that after the bombs fell, Japan evaded nuclear annihilation by chance.
    Well, less Chance, more how much North Korea sucks at engineering. They wasted Okinawa, but otherwise flubbed the entire shooting phase, so to speak, and the Japanese retaliation was to immediately invade the shit out of the mainland with America's blessings.
    China was too busy being on fire to say much about it, and once NK launched its load, they didn't much care either. So Japan seized on-shore assets with help from Southern Korea.
    After the bombs settled and they realized nobody had any power anymore, Japan very carefully, and very slowly, consumed Southern Korea as well. As most of NK's firepower had gone to smashing the south, it wasn't that hard.

    Since then, Japan has returned the Emperor to a more prominent position (though still not as powerful as he once was) and has begun collecting the islands of the Pacific for its collection, as well as nibbling at China for raw materials. China lost almost all of its major production centers in the war, but was still mostly a match for the much smaller Japan, so there wasn't much success there.
    The fact that Japan went virtually untouched in the war besides the loss of one major city didn't much help, as of today they've got the most tech-dollars of any remaining country on Earth. They're also starting to regain some of that classy Japanese fanaticism.

    And in their defense morally, their motives are actually mostly pure; the world has gone insane, America is now working with Russia, so they're not exactly on the friends list anymore. China is pissed, Australia (and thus, I suppose, the Oceanic Alliance, a name I very much like by the by) is pissed, and war's a-brewing.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)03:26 No.13563726
    >Everyone is pissed, war's a brewing, and everyone is fighting already
    >Let's invade everyone simultaneously!
    I would complain, but that's actually extremely Japanese logic.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)03:28 No.13563740
    I spoke to a guy who was a piper in Normandy during WWII. Apparently he carried a puncture repair kit from a bicycle for when the pipes got shot.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)03:28 No.13563741
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    Also I demand space ghurkas
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)03:30 No.13563750
    Whats the current USA/Canada/Mexico diplomatic situation? You've mentioned stuff about war and giving back and expansion and is there a chance of war sparking up in that region and why?
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)03:31 No.13563765
    Aw man. Now the enemy's getting elite infantry too. XD

    Ah well, it was inevitable. Indonesia can still take 'em.
    >> Centurion 01/18/11(Tue)03:32 No.13563772
    So the Japanese probably have some major naval presence, seeing as they need to launch a naval invasion to put troops anywhere. I see lots of WW2-style island-hopping battles between the Aussies and Japan while the Japs attempt to maintain occupying forces in mainland Asia.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)03:33 No.13563778

    aliens - Eldar/Tyranids
    other humans - Chaos
    army of robots - Necrons.
    >> Centurion 01/18/11(Tue)03:33 No.13563780
    Ghurkas are to hills as Indonesians are to jungle and Aussies are to desert.
    I could see a three-way alliance. Troops for every terrain!
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)03:33 No.13563781
    Yea, you guys will have a huge-ass navy. Possibly the biggest. Of course, we've got Indonesia's naval force on our side, so we'll have to rely on them a bit. But yea, I'm seeing a lot of island-hopping.

    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)03:36 No.13563805
    Yes, yes. If you guys ditch the Commonwealth an join us, we'll give you...say...Tasmania and...oooh...

    Well, there's a lotta islands being fought over. I'm sure Indonesia doesn't need to take them /all/ when we win. ^_^
    >> Centurion 01/18/11(Tue)03:38 No.13563814
    I'm thinking huge-ass Japanese navy but all you Southeast Asian types being heavily dug in and fortified. Who cares if the Jap navy bombs you to rubble? All the people are already living in tunnels below the surface anyway!
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)03:39 No.13563824
    Well, the Americans killed like 300,000 Canadians... Basically for no reason, as it turned out later. There's a whole lot of bad blood floating around there, but as of now, nobody can afford another official war, and it's more important that they all play nice and try to lend an air of legitimacy to the Space UN.
    That being said, guerilla resistance fighting is still going on in American-held parts of Canada, a lot of which is suspected (correctly) to be supported by the Canadian state and the Commonwealth at large. There's also the matter of Russkies setting up shop on the western half of Alaska.

    The Mexicans, on the other hand, are about an inch and a half away from joining to the US at the hip. They're fighting a proxy war with their Southern neighbors all over the place with american money, American guns, and American air power. And they're being bootstrapped into being the continent's new industrial sector. Desolation in Mexico was also minimal, since nobody sane would waste a nuke on it, and pollution is less of an issue in the Mexican crater, since it's basically unsalvageable as is.

    So... It's a weird situation. It's not often that Canadians try to keep Americans out while Americans encourage more Mexicans to move in, but that's what's going on on that end.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)03:44 No.13563865
    I don't even know what to say.
    No, you know what? I approve. I always liked Mexico.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)03:52 No.13563920
    Oh. I'm sorry dude, I totally missed your actual question there.
    Basically, once the rest of the world lost its ability to keep feeding Africa weapons, it only took about 50 years for them to run out of steam. It was Zimbabwe which eventually emerged as the ruling power, after its chronically mismanaged resources were put back in order. The continent is now mostly under Zimbabwean rule, though Northern Africa remains a Caliphate state.
    Currently, they're doing battle with Spain in the Atlantic, spreading their influence to the islands, as well as skirmishing occasionally with India and the Caliphate in the Eastern oceans.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)03:54 No.13563936
    A tiny island that was bought and inhabited by the super-mega rich before it all went to shit. These super-rich have spent the hundreds of years isolated and just chillin'. When the riff-raff people first saw this tiny haven of technology and class they went green with envy and tried to invade but; lo and behold, the rich were prepared.

    Horrific chemical weapons. Horrific chemical weapons everywhere. Face-melting, skin-rotting stuff. Things that would literally burst your eyeballs and leave you wallowing in a pool of your own piss, shit and blood for three days before you died of thirst. The kind of weapons that get soldiers wearing gasmasks on top of gasmaks on top of gasmasks.

    Once the outside world realised that only bad things could come from attacking this tiny island they left well enough alone.
    BUT NOW, with the help of PMC soldiers, the rich turn their eyes on the rest of the globe. Using a combination of basic mercenary troops and extreme chemical warfare the rich begin their 'hostile takeover'.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)03:57 No.13563954
    Ha! Call it Galt's Gulch and be done with it. This is funny for a variety of reasons.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)04:00 No.13563971
    I wouldn't buy it OP.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)04:01 No.13563977
    While that saddens me, that is your right as the consumer.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)04:06 No.13564016
    I like this guy. He's, oh, what's the word. Not an asshole.
    I haven't seen decency like this since GW's garage days.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)04:08 No.13564028
    Well, gentlemen, it looks like we might be winding down. A bit of a sad note to end on... So I won't. I'll watch the thread all the way to page 10, to make sure no suggestion is lost.

    To those fair contributors so far, I thank you. You have given this setting an injection of fresh, interesting content, you have improved the very life's blood of the game. I thank you again. A second time even!
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)04:17 No.13564089
    I appreciate it, Aussie. I really do. I don't know what'll happen to us if we succeed, I've heard that does some pretty awful stuff to a company... But we've got some really strong people at the lead, and I think they'll keep us on the straight and narrow.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)04:19 No.13564109
    Nah worries mate, I'll always be around. If things start to get corrupt, just give me a yell and I'll stick some steel-cap boots up someone's arse >=D
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)04:22 No.13564124

    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)04:23 No.13564131
    OH! And if you ever need any fluff or short-stories for anything from the Aussie factions (I could possibly stretch to give dem Canadians or Frenchies a try too), I'm a budding writefag and long-time forum RPer, so I could give it a shot.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)04:30 No.13564169
    BFF, I promise.

    The day may come when your services are required. With a name like Ausfag, it'll be hard to miss you.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)04:32 No.13564188

    You double promise? I can't stand the thought of posting on the board without you around.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)04:34 No.13564196
    Yea, I go by Ausfag or Commissar Wibble. You'll find me on TG or M. I look forward to that day, I gotta say.

    So, do tell me what you've got for the Oceanic Alliance/Confederation so far? I'm very interested to know.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)04:41 No.13564240

    Addendum: Can you tell me more about the aliens and the robots? I'm quite interested about them.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)04:44 No.13564256
    I'd pinky swear, but someone said that means they get to break your pinky if you break the promise.
    And... You know. Precaution. I really like my fingers.

    Well, I'm going to have to work to compound some of the new ideas from this thread into a workable format. A lot of your guys' fluff felt more tasty than what we had before, more... Unique to each region. And Indonesia hadn't really hit our radar at all, we'd originally planned on having them be a province of the Japanese giving them some proper guerilla hell.

    But now, I rather like the idea of a unified south-pacific alliance forming one of the new power blocks of the world, especially after the very good point of Australia's huge fissile reserves, and Indonesia's large population mostly untouched by the war. There's the very legitimate question of the... Temperament of this new state. With its roots in harsh survivalist peoples in what are basically the most lethal environments in the world, it could very well be that the Kangaroo is a symbol of dread to its neighbors. Then again, they might also be seen as a positive, liberating force, given that the alternative is the Japanese, or one of the other ominous powers.
    >> Wop !i2InmLMgFY 01/18/11(Tue)04:48 No.13564288
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    No matter what, Italian soldiers should weap black feathers on their healmets.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)04:51 No.13564312
    That's a pretty dense subject but... Yeah, I can give you a rougher rundown. They're not exactly my fluff, per se. Galt was really adamant that we avoid doing this "codex style," but it was just more efficient to break the factions down into slices and then delegate them out with him and Rome as the editors.

    Truth of it is, I only know about the Machines (who were partly my idea to begin with, whoo!) and some rough details about some of the aliens.

    There's some stuff you need to know, though, pretty simple setting details. Basically, in the ~200 odd years since the colonies were sent off world, and the nuclear war happened, Earth's colonies actually multiplied and grew. The closest, Chiron, acted as the unifying force in Earth's absence, thanks to its large population and having been the only one to receive third-stage support from Earth before the collapse. Even without the resources to send vessels between each other, research and information could be shared, and these formed the currency of the colonies as they struggled to regain starflight.

    There were 31 original colonies. Of these, only 2 had more than 10,000 human beings present. Chiron had nearly a million, as it was the closest and religious pilgrims had flocked there, and Oberon, which had about 100,000, about enough to sustain its own population.

    Well, these colonies went about their merry way. None of their environments were fully suited for human life, but none were so hostile that they required outside support. This was, of course, by design.

    Con't, (don't worry I'll get to dem robots right quick.)
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)04:55 No.13564345

    Here's a little mental blip that I can't help but share.

    When things went down-hill, Australia was mostly ignored as not much of a threat, too hard to secure and not worth the trouble of destroying in favour of the world powers duking it out so that its infrastructure emerged largely unscathed. However, they abandoned all desire to 'play a part' in the international community (realising the futility of their efforts) and start focussing inwards in a big way. Almost all trade with the outside world disappeared as the Australian people became more and more isolationists.

    In most cultures, this would eventually lead to cultural and technological stagnation and, were it not for Japan (who, after the utter devastation it endured as the world ripped itself apart were just as isolationist but DETERMINED to regain their technological edge) who did their utmost to recover their infrastructure and steal as must technology from Australia as they could.

    The relationship between the two nations over the next two hundred years could be described as variations of dislike, love, HATE, OMG LUV!!, HATE HATE HATE!!!, MAI WAIFU!!! broken by frequent bouts of 'we've invented computer game that's more addictive that your computer game. Level Up!' and various trite nonsense that the rest of the world didn't know about and, most likely didn't care.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)04:55 No.13564353
    That's true. After all, they'll still be pretty tribal in their customs, even if they have a decent mining industry going.

    I see them as totally darwinist - they might slaughter the people of a place they take out if said people didn't put up a good fight, but worthy adversaries who are able to dish as well as they take, or even, in the case of Indonesia, force a stalemate, the Aussies are likely to offer an alliance instead of start attrition warfare (which they hate and fear).

    I can imagine them being rather isolationist at first, but they could start to become aggressive as attacks from the other nations try their patience and give them a taste for conquest.

    Point is, they could sit in their caves and happily drink booze and hunt mutant goanna-dragons until someone picks a fight with them or one of their allies, or they could turn into KILL EVERYTHING THAT'S WEAK ENOUGH TO DIE!

    Endless possibilities.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)04:55 No.13564356
    Both countries fought eachover tooth and nail in Call of Duty XXI competitions that often errupted into forum wars and troll crusades. After two hundred years, the rest of the world virtually forgot that Australia even existed.

    Then for ten years (the decade without Winter and then had lots and lots of Winter all at once), the rest of the world suffered cataclysmic weather patterns.

    Forty years later, a commitee of cartographers realised that it was silly to call the same body of water both the Indan Ocean and the Passif Ocean and renamed the stretch of sea between Ariba and the West Coast of Use the Inpass Ocean.

    These days, only an off-worlder would be gullible enough to believe in the lost city of OZ and their gravity bears.

    As for the semi-mystical realm of Japan? Their secret archives mentions that their ancient rivals/partners had been involved in something known as the 'Dreamtime' project barely five year before all contact was lost.

    As a last act of larconic irony and cheek, however, the Australians left the Sunrock (a multi-billion tonne of ochre coloured sandstone) balancing on the very peak of Mt Fuji, with the words "So long and thanks for all the fish." inscribed in iron at the very top.

    The Japanese have no bloody clue what this means. And it vexes them.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)04:57 No.13564365
    That's incredibly badass. Are those the Alpinos? We had hoped to have Italian old guard military partisans act fighting a hardassed resistance against the Spanish, using the Alps as a safe haven to strike from, and the Alpine Corps came up. Those guys were awesome.

    Well, the first thing that went wrong was that Chiron went all manifest destiny on its planet, and wiped out the native life. Turns out it was someone's science experiment, and the owners were pissed.

    Second, Oberon recovered spaceflight, and found, just a few scant systems beyond the original probings, worlds that were not only habitable... But positively Terraformed. It was unnatural, as well, obviously so. The colonists quickly set about moving there, and even grabbed folks from struggling colonies nearby to set up shop on these worlds.
    It was not until they had plunged deep into this belt of fresh land that they found that it already belonged to someone. Another alien Empire turned its eyes to them, and, seeing invasion, reacted accordingly.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)05:02 No.13564398
    We put Uluru on Japan?

    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)05:05 No.13564414
    Long story short, aliens come, often times bringing their allies. The humans hold out because in all cases, their worlds are more valuable than they are. Much more valuable. Orbital bombardment would render the contest pointless, and so it comes down to a ground war.

    Chiron shrugs off its attackers (The "Soldarin" Empire) by collaborating with subversive elements within the aliens. A large swath of human and soldarin colonies in that region fell under neutral, nebulous governance, and eventually became a den of pirates, thieves and petty warlords. This area would later be known as the "Soldarin Main."

    Oberon's colonization efforts are crushed. The enigmatic "Crage," a memetic lifeform that seeks to genetically mimick (and then assimilate) other life into itself, demands a surrender and exchange of genetics, as is customary. When the humans refuse, the aliens push them back almost to Oberon itself, stopping at the Russian colony of New Volga, which digs in its heels, and demands to be destroyed, rather than simply self destructing upon being surrounded.
    The aliens assumes this means that there is something important there, and begin a ground assault. In actuality, they had turned the nukes into something else.

    The following battle, the Battle for New Volgograd, lasted eight years. It was only the arrival of support from the newly unified Earth that saved them. Millions died on both sides, but the Crage withdrew after a surprise attack inflicted casualties upon their fleet. They had bigger fish to fry.

    Or rather... A bigger toaster to keep from frying them.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)05:13 No.13564463
    I'm getting the feeling this is some cultural stuff that's going over my head, but it sounds hilarious, and it'll probably be funnier still when I actually look it up.

    The Machines. Nobody's really sure where they came from. Nobody's even sure that they're all machines. What is known is that around 300 years ago, they were spotted by Kodin (other aliens) deep space listening posts. What could best be described as a wall of ships, spaced evenly apart by several light-years, was inching across the galaxy, periodically landing on any world they passed. These worlds would be terraformed, modified, changed. The specifications were unknown.

    But when they encountered sentient life, they themselves would change. The machines fought like a device eliminating pests, but it would do so by mimicking its adversaries, building its war machines in crude mockery of them, and eventually... In crude mockery of their fears, or their disgusts.

    And there were a lot of them. The Kodin couldn't handle them, so they called their allies, who called their allies. When this alliance of aliens could not defeat this common foe, they started calling on uncommon foes.
    When both the Soldarins and the Crage contacted the humans and requested their aid, the powers that be knew something was up. The humans joined, tentatively, and with much coaxing and lubrication of gears, the "League for the Preservation of Sapients." Or simply, "The League."

    Now, they participate, with whatever small tithe they can, to the war against an all-consuming galactic scourge, in addition to each other and their neighbors.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)05:14 No.13564470

    Have you considered making a book? I would buy it.

    >Or rather... A bigger toaster to keep from frying them.

    More, man! Tell me more! All and all the story is excellent, and I can't wait to see more from it.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:16 No.13564484

    Historically, the Russians have had hardy but less-than-versatile equipment, been heavy on metals and light on advanced material science crap, sought to reduce failure rates (yay, Kalachnikovs), found ways to deal with extreme cold, and CREATED MASSIVE DEFENSES.

    You know what they did with their train tracks? Made them different from standard track widths in adjacent countries, which was almost never done elsewhere. Can't just take a train in if you want to invade.

    Air defenses? Rings around industrial facilities of note and important cities.

    Fleet supplies and bases on foreign soil? All come with just enough storage for a short operational interval before resupplying, to facilitate patrols, make adventurism more of a logistical difficulty, and allow the small facilities to be destroyed without major loss of value - while the big ones could hold out forever.

    Think about how that sort of thing is reflected in other nations and you'll be on the right track.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)05:17 No.13564488

    These robots, any general idea how they look?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:18 No.13564494
    Everyone is at war with everyone? Impending doom? Russians still solve their problems by dying until the other side chokes on it?

    Oh yeah. Business as usual dude.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)05:20 No.13564504
    I just figured out the kinda shit the Aussie would do when it hits space.

    I mean, mars doesn't have life. NO SCARY EVIL CRITTERS? We'll have to biogenetically engineer our own.

    Imagine it. Real drop bears, combat wombats, and tassie devils the size of a volkwagen beetle!

    And the spiders man, the spiders!
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)05:21 No.13564516
    Reminds me of a quote I used in my Modern World History essay last year (that the teacher then ripped off)

    "Eventually, Stalin had drowned Hitler's armies in Russian blood."
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)05:23 No.13564529
    There lies the beauty of the Machines: They began by mimicking their foes physically, to trick them. As their understanding of psychology grew, however, they found that it was much easier and more effective to scare them.
    The Machines begin a war by capturing prisoners at any cost. What they do to those poor souls is uncertain, but what is known is that the next wave of machines will change in appearance, to repulse, disgust, enrage, or terrify their enemies.

    In the case of humans, the Machines take the form of demons, the undead, succubi, ghouls, apocalyptic heralds, and other nightmarish figments of the tortured mind. They are engineered for war, but also to intimidate and demoralize.
    And at this, they succeed. But perhaps not enough. Perhaps they need more than just one, ten, a hundred minds to probe.

    There are rumors, as well, dark rumors, that the Machines seek to infiltrate that most deep repository of human debauchery. That infinite roadmap of human psychology.

    ...The Internet.
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)05:26 No.13564548
    Suddenly, Rapecrons.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:27 No.13564555
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    >The Internet
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)05:28 No.13564560

    By the maker, that sounds like a clever AI. Hopefully humanity will prevail.
    Also, the internet part made me laugh.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:28 No.13564565
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    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:29 No.13564575
    Since you mentioned Sweden fighting it out with Russia earlier I've gotta ask, what happened with them afterwards? And the rest of scandinavia(and Finland) for that matter. Having a united Sweden/Norway/Denmark/Finland would be cool, but that could be because I'm a swedefag anyways.
    Is there anything explicitly stated about these countries or is it just "lol dunno" so far?
    >> Ausfag 01/18/11(Tue)05:31 No.13564593
    Oh dear. If that happens, they'll be a good match for the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Cute how all the smaller nations team up to form fuckhuge alliances that threaten to wreck the shit of the big nations.

    That's what we're doin in the southern hemisphere!
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)05:31 No.13564597
    Our test group had so much fun with the Machines we had to frisk them for copies of the rules as they left.
    There's a whole system in place for building them from scratch, how many arms they've got, legs, tracks or hover devices, what kind of weapons they go in with, etc.

    One guy came up with a hilarious one that had goat legs, a flamethrower in its mouth and a giant pitchfork. We called it Shaitan. Laughs were had by all, until we saw that by the rules, it could sprint halfway across the map each turn. Made a little booboo on the speed.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:32 No.13564600
    Ok, I'll give that credit. Most AIs are like "What is this thing I do not understand? Human emotion? I will ignore it until it defeats me with the power of heart".

    For an AI to actually think "The fuck is this? Eh, who cares, I can use it."
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)05:32 No.13564602

    Jag undrade detsamma. Vi får se vad OP svarar.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:33 No.13564612
    If sweden is fighting russia, then finland has either been steamrolled or it's the battlefield they're fighting on.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:33 No.13564613

    British funded Gurkha troops in powered armour to protect against small arms fire and increase speed and agility.

    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)05:36 No.13564632
    As far as I know, the Russians drowned Finnland in Cossacks and eventually marched on Stockholm, but were repelled from both with help from Germany, who had, ironically, just been fighting with Denmark over allegations of piracy.

    I don't think we did anything interesting with Scandinavia after that, so I'm open to suggestions.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:40 No.13564660
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    Oh sweet Jesus.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)05:42 No.13564669
    Men in powered armor with Kukris? Who could refuse?

    Some of the specialty units are genetically engineered supersoldiers called "Echo," made in a corporate lab underwater in the Atlantic. (Ironically, they had actually been researching something completely unrelated, cosmetics I think, and accidentally divided zero and got 2/3rds of their staff killed.) We've been joking for a while that they must train with the Gurkhas, because those guys are the only ones with hardcore enough melee skills. Maybe it shouldn't just be a joke.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)05:43 No.13564678

    We in Sweden are specialized on warfare in forests and digging in. Some of our tanks are even make just to defend the forests up north if Russia wants to fuck with us. If the forest is gone we lose alot of our advantage and would probably just dig in and try to wait them out (and sniper out their officers). Our weak spot is the sea between Russia and us. Our fleet can't defend the whole coast and we would redirect the fleet to Stockholm to defend it.

    Source: Four years of command within the Swedish army.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:44 No.13564687

    Well if it were possible to cram in a united scandinavia it'd be awesome, but might be a good idea not to overextend yourself with tons of small factions for starters?

    For such a union, Finland would make awesome soldiers, just look at how the fucked up Russia during the Winter War.
    I'm not sure about the military of the respective countries, but I do know that Sweden has some pretty advanced stuff around, what with the Archer system and all the various AT-4s. I'm not very good at this stuff but I'm sure others are. I can look into it a bit otherwise I suppose.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:45 No.13564698
    Now, when you say Piracy, do you mean Viking?
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)05:49 No.13564721
    Really? It is not often we have an officer on deck, as it were. Thank you for the insider information. It might make more sense to modify the story so that the Russian invasion of Finnland was halted, so they instead pressed through the ocean route, successfully landed, but couldn't maintain a strong enough supply chain due to Danish and German fleet privateering, and had to back down.

    There's really not much problem to a united Scandinavia either, except we might get accused of... Jeeze, I don't know what it's called, but that S.M Stirling guy did it a lot, where he contrived to have the world unite into illogically convenient power blocks. I personally think it just makes the work easier for us, because we can cover multiple countries at once because they're close allies.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:53 No.13564736
    Hey OP, just out of curiosity, what happened to most of South America? Being a BRfag myself, I kind of doubt we got hit by much, seeing as most of the world couldn't give two shits about us.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)05:53 No.13564742
    Sorry, the second part of that last post was meant for you. In short, I see no reason why a united Scandinavia couldn't exist. Indeed, there's every reason for it to exist. In such troubled times, surrounded as they are by dangerous powers, it would behoove them to stick together.
    So Finnland might occasionally throw someone into the snow and then jam him back into the sauna. He's charming otherwise.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)05:53 No.13564743

    Finland and Sweden, we fight Russia, it's just what we do.

    As for illogically convenient, well, all of Scandinavia is pretty tight already, as you said.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)05:55 No.13564751

    Yes. I served as a ''Överste'' aka Colonel before retiring (severe back pains)

    If you require more assistance I would love to help.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)05:59 No.13564791

    We would not doubt aiding Finnland incase of a war with Russia, because if Finnland falls, our northern territories would be wide open for attacks.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)06:00 No.13564805
    Oh my, yes we've got something going on there too. South America survived the nuclear attacks without much of a scratch, and because of its plentiful resources, did not suffer as severely as other parts of the globe to the collapse of globalization.
    However, it was not without its internal disputes, as I'm sure you well know, and with the international community officially blind, the Americans also dropped any pretense of concern for its Southern neighbors. They, through Mexico, are extending their reach into the untouched South. Spain as well, determined to unite its old colonies, has forded the pond to begin reunifying the New World into a proper Catholic Empire, and New Zimbabwe has a hungry eye on South American mining.
    Understandably, the people who already live there aren't taking this sitting down. Brazil, Venezuela, and Chile between them have the resources to stand up to outside aggression, and are struggling through internal animosities to properly repel the invaders.

    Beyond this, we do not have much. Any ideas, fellow?
    >> Wop !i2InmLMgFY 01/18/11(Tue)06:03 No.13564827
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    It's not the Alpini. That particular soldier is a Bersaglieri. They were originally fast soldiers. At one time they carried folding bicycles and later motorcycles. They were quick on their feet too having origionally been the Piedmontese equivilent to cavalry since they couldn't afford horses.

    If you want something to base Italian soldiers you should look at the Arditi of WWI. They were stormtroopers heavily trained in unarmed combat. They would shell the enemy treanches and while the enemy was busy hiding they'd slip in armed mostly with trench knives and hand grenades. After the war many followed Gabriele D'Annunzio in his capture of the city Fiume. Years later with the rise of Fascism they formed the core of the blackshirts.
    If you were to go this route I suggest using a lot of Fascist symbolism as the Arditi were a primary influence on the core of Fascist Militia style. Especially skulls and daggers which would have been common.

    Pic related, Arditi soldiers proudly displaying their daggers.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)06:05 No.13564843
    Good lord. You've got the benefit of experience, sir, by a broad margin indeed. I am honored that a man of rank would take an interest in so humble an endeavor.

    Were that I could simply consume your brain and all the thoughts therein, I would be saved the trouble of formulating questions. For now, I must just say dear christ yes I would like your help. I just can't think what with just yet.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)06:05 No.13564846
    >ITT: We shamelessly appeal to nationalism.
    >and fighting an all-consuming army of robots.

    Get out of here, America.
    >> Wop !i2InmLMgFY 01/18/11(Tue)06:07 No.13564853
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    Also there are the Carabinieri. They're the Italian military police and originally answered to the king.

    Pic related, Italy strong
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)06:07 No.13564859
    Hey, when you really think about it, an all consuming army of robots ain't that much different than communists. Totally still counts.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)06:09 No.13564870

    Anyway I can contact you? That way you can ask whenever you want.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)06:10 No.13564877
    Wait. Did you just say that there were Italian soldiers who called themselves cavalry, but couldn't afford horses, so they just... Walked faster?

    I have not been so impressed by something Italian since someone told me about St. Matilda. That's incredibly awesome.

    I am surrounded by awesome!
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)06:13 No.13564888
    Yes, of course. I have a company Email, I'll just have to start checking it now. Anyone else who'd care to stay updated about this whole business, by all means drop me a line as well.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)06:17 No.13564909

    By all means, hand me the email.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)06:19 No.13564921
    Oh, hurf. Didn't put it in the field.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)06:22 No.13564942
    NZ Army, Navy, Airforce are up to f-all. BUT, the NZ SAS are rated incredibly highly internationally, and join all sorts of foreign movements overseas.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)06:25 No.13564959
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    This is cool. Have a tribal woman.
    >> Wop !i2InmLMgFY 01/18/11(Tue)06:25 No.13564962
    Basically yeah. The Italians can be pretty badass when they're determined, put in a corner, or when being led by non-political figures.

    Take for example the Italian Guerrillas who fought the British for 3 years in east africa with almost no support from the Fascist government in Rome. They weren't well trained, they just had no choice except to fight. Some for their country and some for their homes in Eritrea and Somalia.

    Or look at the Italians who fought alongside Rommel in North Africa. He was quoted as wishing his own troops were as determined as the Italians. A similar story was said about the Italians sent to fight the soviets. They mostly kept to themselves, but on their own they did serious damage.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)06:29 No.13564985

    Sent you one, so you can reach me.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)06:29 No.13564987
    I do remember it being said that the Italian soldiery was of good quality, but that their officers were poor. Probably had something to do with the party appointing people it liked, instead of people who were qualified.

    Well, in a world like this, there's no party left to give its drinking buddies commissions. Maybe in such a world, Italia can be something more than Berlusconi's playground.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)06:35 No.13565014
    I wish i knew more about Australian troops OP.
    But i don't.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)06:35 No.13565015
    Is this not archived? What, seriously? I'll do it.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)06:36 No.13565022

    Give link, and I'll help you.

    This must be stored for future generations to come.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)06:37 No.13565031
    Wowzers. /tg/ is positively made of Australians, I'm just starting to realize that.
    Believe me, they've given a good account of themselves, I'm going to be researching for days to figure it all out.
    >> Wop !i2InmLMgFY 01/18/11(Tue)06:46 No.13565077
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    That did have a big effect on the second world war, though one major problem during both Wars was not just the leadership, but also the average conscript. many Italians didn't want to enter the war and consequently the rate of troop desertion was quite high.

    On top of that Italy was dirt poor and could hardly afford modern weapons of war. They had an above average navy and air force, but their tanks and firearms were forced to use outdated construction techniques. They squandered money on the L1 tankette and ultimately only fielded one tank of comparable quality to the other powers, the P40. Even then they fielded only a small number and most were snapped up by the Germans when they "invaded" and created the puppet government in Salo.

    Also during the second world war most of the navy suffered. Their leadership rarely saw eye to eye with Il Duce, however this created another bit of Italian Badassery.

    Decima Flottiglia MAS, or X MAS were Italian frogmen who would ride special piloted torpedoes up to enemy ships and attach bombs to them. Then they'd swim away.

    Pic related

    PS sorry if I'm becoming more difficult to comprehend. I've gone from buzzed to flat out drunk. My memory still works, but the words don't come so well.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)06:47 No.13565079
    I don't want to take up anyone's space, is this important enough to save?
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)06:47 No.13565083
    Woot, this thread is still on FRONT PAGE after I had to lay off the Internet due to heavy rain! /tg/ never shines brighter than this thread!

    And as for the Japanese Empire, I think they could probably invade Siberia for its natural resources. The Russians were spread thin over there, battling the Serb and Scandinavia on the West, and got its ass bitten by the Japs on the East. Maybe there exists a fragile truce between China and Japan?
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)06:49 No.13565091
    I think you're perfectly understandable. I didn't know about the tankette thing, I'm looking at one now.
    I don't want to say it's cute. I'm endeavoring not to. It's definitely a good idea in principle, I think, just... Damn.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)06:49 No.13565095

    This is history in the making, sir. We must preserve it.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)06:52 No.13565108
    Yes, dude, it's worth saving. Believe me, Sup/tg/ isn't going to drop in quality by the inclusion of this.
    This isn't just ok, this is what that Archive was made for.

    It's at the bottom, if you haven't used the archives before. I didn't want to get clever so I just called it Earth 2300. Tossing a positive vote will keep it from being deleted in the culls, I think.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)06:56 No.13565132
    Welcome back, friend, sorry the weather's rough.

    Now I'll admit, nothing tickles me quite like the notion of Japan continuing to mess with Russia, but at the same time, there is no deeper enmity that I know of than that that runs between the Japanese and the Chinese. There's some serious, burning hatred there. I guess it might come down to an enemy-of-my-enemy situation, though. However they might feel about each other, Russia is the elephant in the room, AND America's snuggly snoogle. Messing with them can only be a good thing.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)06:56 No.13565136

    Thank you for your assistance. I have saved it in .htm form and I can rapidshare it or some like that.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)06:57 No.13565140
    Votan, drop-poddan and supportan!

    BTW, OP, just popped you an e-mail.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)06:57 No.13565143

    Also, have you considered making a sci-fi novel or book? I love they way you use words.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)06:58 No.13565144
    Not relying on the archives? More foresight than I usually give a Swede credit for.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)06:59 No.13565152

    I have saved threads from time to time. You never know when someone wants to read them.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)07:01 No.13565169
    Wow. That's pretty boss. I didn't know about this. Thanks dude!

    I will not only read it, I will read it and like it! Unless it's a bomb. An email bomb.

    I don't know if I've got that in me. I've always felt I write a bit too conversationally to be a real novelist.

    Play nice you! The Swedish people make excellent furniture, that much I can guarantee from personal experience, and that sir requires foresight.
    >> Wop !i2InmLMgFY 01/18/11(Tue)07:02 No.13565170
    Sounds good on paper "hey small two man tanks that are cheap. We can field thousands!", however they could not have very thick armor and the guns were two weak. When facing real tanks they would become deathraps.
    To compound this the Italians used them all wrong. They should have been using them for occupational purposes in Greece and albania, but many of them were on the frontlines losing battles.
    Personally, in hindsight, I would have looked into paradrop technology as a means of makin g them useful. Drop a few of these behind the borders in british Egypt or Palestine and they'd have to divert real tanks from the front to clean up the mess. Unfortunately for the Italians Mussolini was an old guard type who valued the power of the Infantryman in great numbers over technology.

    Also on an unrelated note, another two examples of Italian combat inginuity. Camoflauge uniforms and air dropped explosives.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)07:02 No.13565171
    What has been said of the Australian army itt is pretty close, but I don't think you have given proper thought to Iran and Turkey.
    Turkey has the second largest army in NATO, after America, so when I read something like Turkey getting invaded by Serbia, after Serbia has gone through all of its neighbours, I just went:

    Turkey would be wedged in between The Austro-German Block and the Islamic Caliphate, with neither of the two willing to risk invading the country.
    Iran can go so many ways.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)07:09 No.13565197
    Wait, you mean like bombing? Did the Italians do that? Damn, I wouldn't have guessed that one. You never know what those Italians'll come up with.
    But then, they came up with Rome that one time. That would've been enough. But no, then they have to figure out bombing too.

    Ooh. Man's got a point here, he does. I mean, granted it took place over like 100 years, but it's a bit of a stretch that Turkey of all places would fold to a country as tiny as Serbia, even with their newly established SRBSKE ROD HUNGRY MUST CONSUME motif.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)07:15 No.13565218
    Particularly given that the Islamic world seems to have united.
    Though... There is something to the idea that the surprisingly secular Turkey might set itself apart from the Caliphate, because it has worked so hard to make itself accepted to Europe-proper. With a much less moderate religious enemy on one side, and Slavs on the other, it wouldn't be as much of a contrivance for an outlying Turkish city or two to be seized, but I still wouldn't bet on it.

    What I might bet on is Greece. Turkey already nommed Byzantium, but if given the shot at Greece proper, would they take it? I think so. But the Serbs, they'd love nothing more themselves. So you might have a war occur there, rather than on the home turf of either faction.
    >> Wop !i2InmLMgFY 01/18/11(Tue)07:16 No.13565225
    They bombed the shit out of the Turks using airplanes and hot air balloons. That's how they came to possess Lybia.

    And I agree on the subject of Serbia. Although maybe it was part of a pan-balkan movement. Sure serbia went to war, but the people were willing to accept Serbia.Perhaps the war with Turkey began over the horn in an attempt to rebuild the old Byzantine Empire.

    This would be somewhat dubious though since the Balkans is a hotbed for nationalism. There'd probably need to be a previous large scale war in the region to uproot the National pride.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)07:17 No.13565228
    The reservists are mostly in it for the weekend palling around with guns, the regulars are competent soldiers as capable as the regulars in any other army, the special forces are highly trained in survivalist measures and well tested against the environment before they ever see combat.

    There are some insane stories of our SAS pulling off shit that doesn't make sense... Like I recall during the initial fighting in the Afghan War back in 2005 or whatever it was an SAS recon unit (four men) were ambushed by 200 well armed Afghani militia. SAS casualty was a single gunshot wound to the ankle, Militia casualties were somewhere in the ballpark of 30 - 40.

    The only difference between the main body of the Australian Army and any other countries is our attitude. We're a lazy bunch with a laconic sense of humour and a "she'll be right, mate." attitude, but when shit needs doing we get to doing it just like anyone else... Only we do it without ever losing the laconic humour or the "she'll be right." attitude. Even in the face of ridiculous odds.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)07:23 No.13565253
    Hmm. I like that. Makes more sense. Granted, the original idea was to make Serbia into a liability, having screwed with the glorious forces of Islam, etc.
    But as you say, Turkey is actually a very moderate country with ties to Europe as strong as its ties to the Islamic world. It's hardly the spittle in the eye that it had been intended to be.

    Yes, better if they're just fighting over some scraps of keftetakia down south, and then we can have some cool fights in Athens and stuff.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)07:24 No.13565262
    Some thoughts on Iran:
    Since they're Israel's nemesis of some sort, when the nukes start flying Iran and Israel would probably get hit. Post-apoc, Iran could either join the Caliphate, or form New Parsi if there's too much extremist Arab influence in the Caliphate. Maybe they'll use DU bullets like Australia, but not as much, since their Uranium isn't as much. I'd guess they'd become good at infiltrating other countries, turning into a spy state of sorts. That's if they didn't join the Caliphate, though.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)07:27 No.13565284
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    >Slavs and Turks in Greece
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)07:28 No.13565289
    So Turkey is fighting Serbia for Greece?
    What is Iran up to?
    What sort of relations do the Germans, Serbs, Spaniards, Turks, Iranians and Muslims have with each other?

    More questions could be asked but I'm not sure how detailed you want this to go.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)07:30 No.13565306
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    >MFW my French Imperial Guard fight robots resembling bad wine and Englishmen on a distant planet
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)07:31 No.13565313
    You mentioned religion before. How much power does it have? Are there religious wars aswell?
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)07:34 No.13565327
    You know, I'm not entirely clear on what Iran is up to. Our chief worldbuilding guy told me a lot, but when we got to that entire region, he just sort of said "Yeah, this is just all fucked up. It's Muslims, war, nukes and cossacks." And I thought that was about as much description as anyone would need, because at least where I'm from, the only addition from that list was the Cossacks.
    And that's only if you don't know about Kazakhstan. If Kazakhstan counts. It's a bit far east.

    Still, I'll answer what I can. Gimme a sec.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)07:46 No.13565395
    I think it depends where you are. There are no wars going on on Earth right now for purely religious reasons... Or even primarily for religious reasons. There just isn't enough surplus wealth floating around to fight over something as banal as religion.

    But lo and behold, as soon as any war is declared, a religious reason is conjured, and the people fight all the harder for it. The Spanish fought like madmen to secure Rome "From the infidels." Who were all other Catholics. The Serbians fought to reclaim the Balkans for Christendom... And then invaded Greece. Because. You know. There might be Muslims there too.
    The French are getting back into the Catholic groove, if only because it keeps Spain looking the other way. The English are turning back simply because it's a much darker world today than it was yesterday, and sometimes the people need faith. The story is pretty much the same everywhere.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)07:47 No.13565402
    (Agh, sorry about that, I seriously entered that Cap'cha ten times.)

    Now, if you leave Earth and go to, say, Chiron, where all of Earth's batshit insane Christian-Islam hybrids went, you'll see a different story. They started out ok, but then found that the native life was resisting their construction attempts. So they killed it all.
    Then, aliens came and demanded they stop lighting things on fire. So they killed them all, too. Then more aliens came and actually started fighting, and immediately it became a holy war, they counter-invaded their enemies, and burned two client-species of the Empire that had challenged them into ashes.

    Chiron has fallen from its roots as isolationist demi-amish to being radical, expansionalistic industrialists who genetically engineer themselves to be more like God, and believe that all alien sapients must be either converted to Christlam (and then killed) or simply killed. They fell from grace so hard they crashed through the Earth's crust and came out the other side with wings.

    You want religious fanatics, they're your men.

    Now! On to the other question, from Mr. >>13565289
    Sorry to take so long, the religion question was easier to shoot off the top of my head. Just a second now...
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)07:47 No.13565405

    Cool, what about the alien factions? Do they have a ''creator''?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)07:48 No.13565408
    So I got someway to make your machines a bit more fun, how about making your machines an out of control Von Neumann Probe?

    Designed by a peaceful alien race to simultaneously terraform normally uninhabitable worlds for future colonization, to explore the galaxy sending discoveries back to the homeworld, and to contact sentient alien races and establish peaceful relations with them through diplomacy.

    In this contact process they attempt to take on the culture and generalized form of the alien race they encounter to make interacting with them simpler.

    However, after centuries of being blown to bits by every race they attempted to make contact with they conclude that's simply "how they say hello in their culture" and attack them until they "successfully establish peaceful relations." After discovering the remarkable success of this strategy, they decide to make it their default strategy.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)07:49 No.13565413
    Might wanna archive this OP. For future reference.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)07:51 No.13565425

    Will make new thread after 404 with Rapidshare link or megaupload. A good man posted a link to /tg/ archive abit up. Vote up ''Earth 2300''
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)07:54 No.13565444
    One can only guess at the shear revulsion their peaceful creators(many many light years away) will experience when they discover the sounds they're sending back aren't songs, but screams.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)07:55 No.13565448
    suptg archived it already. Now go vote!

    Here's my thoughts on Iran:

    This sounds like a reasonably cool genesis for the Machines, in fact. But also add the fact that the progenitor race had died... that'll put some twists later on in the game.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)07:55 No.13565450
    >Africa - High movement but low BS and morela with shitty gear
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)07:57 No.13565460
    Well, here's the sitch, as the young folks say. By the time the bombs fell, the world had already mostly run out of fossil fuels. This meant that a lot of the Islamic world had... Well, let's just say that their magic carpet ride was over.
    However, due to wise investments in their future, countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Iran were prepared for this collapse. They banded together, and when the final blow came to the old order, they made sure that their people were in the position to survive it.

    A lot of nuclear ordinance was getting chucked around that region in particular, and a lot of people died, but ultimately, the Caliphate emerged strong enough to rebuild.

    Now, their land isn't too fertile, and it isn't too rich anymore, either. But unlike the rest of the world, for the most part they aren't fighting each other. There are still sect rivalries, granted, but the powers that be conspired to ensure that the majority of the deaths in any given region were of the minority of the sect. What was left were blobs of secure tribal lines, which the leaders then force to play nice, by ensuring that cooler heads prevail in the great senate. They cannot afford to be fighting each other, not while the House of War is still stirring in the west.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)08:00 No.13565484
    I say. Now THAT, sir, is a good idea. Our original plan had them sketched out as more of a Terraforming experiment gone horribly wrong, but it never quite made sense to me.
    This, this not only makes perfect sense, but it's a cynical sign of how receptive the aliens in this setting are to first contact.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)08:09 No.13565526
    Ooookay... so I think we've got all four corners of the world scoped out here, right? We got Europe fleshed out, Asia, Africa, the 'Mericas, Australia...
    It's probably time to turn our gaze spacewards.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)08:09 No.13565527
    Sorry to take so long to answer, I had to wake up one of my bosses to ask him which folder he had put the Caliphate notes in.
    There are two ways of looking at your question, and thus I shall answer both:

    The Religious:
    We try to leave that sort of thing ambiguous. I can tell you with relative certainty that both Galt and Rome (our two lead designers) are very, very religious men (which is kind of weird given... You know, calls himself John Galt, but whatever) but I think they try to keep their religious views out of their work, because as soon as they don't, they start fighting. You don't even want to know how many times I've heard "Protestant Dog" shouted over Skype.

    The Secular:
    In some cases, yes. The Soldarins, for example, were basically security guards for a race in eons past. That race hit the singularity and uploaded themselves, only to have the memory wiped by their rivals, whom the Soldarins then destroyed. Left with a shell of an Empire, the Soldarins moved in, and have been sitting around fighting amongst themselves for 10,000 years. They've seen three identical Leagues of Sapients rise and fall, so to them, this is all old news.
    In other cases, no. The Crage, for example, evolved on their own, as did the Kodin, and a lot of other alien species. Whenever we have one that is unusually humanoid, though, we suggest that it might've been some sort of experiment that involved ancient humans.
    My favorite one is that humans were abducted eons ago on a ship called the Atlantis. This ship did... Stuff. To them. And the species responsible is itself curiously humanoid, though this is suggested to be by choice rather than nature. The Cult of the Ravenghast. Untrustworthy space gypsy techno-liches.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:14 No.13565566
    Behold: Space! It is cold, and there are monsters there. Many of them despise people of the Hebrew faith.

    It is true. If you put your ear up to the chitinous plating of a Zyrixian world-eater, you will hear it rumble.


    It does not know what a Juden is. It does not even know what is-ing is. All it knows is that whenever it utters this sound, it feels rage. And somewhere, on a distant world, Hitler's lizard-man brethren count down the hours to its arrival through pointed teeth, that it might complete the work they could not.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)08:16 No.13565588
    you made me lol, nice show.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:16 No.13565590
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    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)08:16 No.13565591

    I have several catholic friends myself, and I have been called both heretic and blasphemer.

    That ship, ''Atlantis'', is it still in the possession of it's creators? For all I know the owners of Atlantis could be the creator of the robots.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)08:18 No.13565605

    Lizard Nazis? Likelier then you think!
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)08:21 No.13565624
    Not only possible, but probable. I'll leave that little gem of speculation for another day (mostly since I don't know myself) but it sounds like a likely surprise twist.
    >> Norfag 01/18/11(Tue)08:22 No.13565640
    Might be a bit late to the party, but the whole Scandinavian union is quite plausible. Remember reading somewhere that Norway and Sweden were developing closer military bonds, which might just continue.
    As for my own country (Norway), today we have shitloads of money, though that may not last with the oil running out and all. We do, however, own a sizable land on Antarctica (Queen Maud's land), which could be used as ha huge secret research facility, or something.
    As for military-wise, we're not that strong, though we have successfully employed guerrilla warfare in the past (Telemark Battalion in WWII), and while we're quite diplomatic and peaceful, when we're in war, we draw heavily on Norse mythology to inspire troops (used these days in Afghanistan, for instance), which might be cool to use in modeling or something.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)08:23 No.13565644

    Sorry for asking a million questions.

    Do you have a map at hand? And do we know the location of Atlantis?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:24 No.13565652
    Britfag here,

    Britain's got a pretty ridiculous history when it comes to warfare like this, half a millennium of fighting everybody (mainly the French) tends to give you a lot of precedents for good army ideas.

    I'd say make the British units very small, very hardy and with an emphasis on infantry and intelligence, deception and raiding tactics. Commandos, basically, but with more smoke and mirrors.

    A good example for this is the North African/Italian campaigns of WW2 where the British made entire dummy armies out of canvas and wood to fool the Germans into thinking attacks were going to happen hundreds of miles from where they did, along with Operation Mincemeat where an air crash was faked and a vagrant's corpse with fake plans for an invasion of Greece instead of Sicily was left floating to be found in southern spain.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:24 No.13565661

    This along with an RAF contingent basically specialising in crazy missions with horrendous odds a la the Dambusters, Black Buck raid (The last of the British heavy V bombers flying halfway around the world to do one bombing mission out of fucking nowhere) and the Oslo mosquito raids (A flight of Mosquitos infiltrate Nazi Norway at low level to blow up the Gestapo headquarters in Oslo at the high point of a massive rally against the occupying forces that was planned to take place outside. Pretty much a fireworks show intended to show the Norwegians they still had allies.) I know pretty much all of these had pretty mediocre tactical/strategic value, but they make incredibly good stories. Also, as a rule, the British aviation industry's been very innovative, producing some amazing airframes, so in terms of actual aircraft quality i'd say make them at least on par with the US, if not better, just far, far less numberous.

    As for the Navy, historically we've had a pretty big and awesome one, but that's gone downhill recently, so i don't know what the plan could be there. It sounds like you've already got the US as the big, navally diminant faction. In any case, it could be more in keeping with the current general feel of the faction if the Navy's now almost exclusively a submarine fleet. As for space ventures, i don't know if you already have designs for a Commonwealth space fleet, but if you do, i'd reccommend giving it a robotic emphasis, only having people in space when needed (i.e. Colonisation), having Drones either AI controlled(dangerous?), controlled from a hardened bunker planetside or from a very stealthy centralised command ship.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:26 No.13565678
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    >Germany and Denmark

    How the fuck did that turn out?

    Also a little on the Danish military: It's the kind of military that buys helicopters that don't work, sends APCs to war without spare parts, doesn't shave, becomes the largest contributer per capita to a war they send 750 soldiers to and doesn't afraid of going gung ho with heavy hardware in peace keeping missions.

    And the obligatory: "our special forces are totally elite hardasses".
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:28 No.13565691
    tl;dr: Britain as very, very high tech, but with hardly anyone actually deployed. Lots of smoke and mirrors, i.e. getting the Enemy to think you're somewhere else, or not actually there. Air support available in pretty much every situation, but very expensive.

    Focus more on weakening an enemy faction through crippling, clandestine raids rather than out and out invasion.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)08:29 No.13565692
    I wish we did, but Star Maps are really hard to make, apparently. Someone's doing some research on how to make one that's actually consistent so that we don't look like a bunch of jackasses when a 1st year astrology student informs us that we've placed Earth in the center of a supernova or something.

    I was hoping we'd hear something in detail from the Isles.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:34 No.13565725
    You know that the common danish soldier is regarded as some of the best soldiers in the world (not including Special Forces, only regulars).
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)08:35 No.13565726
    I think it was that with central order breaking down, some Danes and some Norwegians began harkening back to the old Viking days to keep food on the table, and the Germans, being the hard-assed charter bound peacekeepers, tried to hunt them down themselves.
    Understandably, trying to hunt down specific people with boats in Denmark was a bit difficult. Given the socio-political climate at teh time, adding "with guns" to the list only meant that you'd only catch people who don't like being dead. The Danish government didn't much appreciate Germans poking around their country, and hostilities broke out. Mostly short-lived, but it was enough to count as a war, since the two countries had relatively undamaged armed forces, and could actually fight seriously for the short time it lasted before they came to terms.
    Never did catch the Vikings, though.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:35 No.13565727
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    Fellow Britfag.

    MORE smoke and mirrors? Perhaps OP could have the British contingent possess the means to create a decoy town to draw bombers off, maybe enlisting the aid of a stage magician to do so?

    No wait, that would be LESS smoke and mirrors, as Jasper Maskelyne hid ALEXANDRIA and THE SUEZ CANAL, pre-empting that cock-rocket Copperfield by about 60 years.

    Now let's both have a nice cup of tea, gawd bless the Queen, guv'na.

    Also, pic related. You should name a British character Radulphus Brolesm, OP.

    You know it makes sense.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:35 No.13565729
    You know, there's probably somebody who claims that for every single western nation in this kind of thread.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)08:35 No.13565730

    Maybe, they are a faction that uses holograms and so on? Send fake warnings that a robot attack is coming with some fake evidence? Less capital ships and more small frigates with stealth (like the normandy in Mass Effect). Sounds like their kind of game style.
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    Hey Op.

    Back in the days I was working on a C&C Tiberian Sun mod, sort of thing.

    Used some youtube videos to visualise the different factions. Near future warfare centered around a world about to change thanks to A.I.

    >European Union: nanoaugumentation, biomechanics and genetic engineering
    The Europeans would be a mix between GDI and Nod. High-tech all the way, sucking up massive amounts of power and resources, but giving you highly advanced troops with decent bio-armour and above all, true stealth and active camouflage.

    >Loyalist United States of America: nanoaugumentation, extensive cybernetics
    The Loyalist Americans can be best explained as a mix between Allies and Soviets (another strange but interesting combo of C&C tropes), as in lightly armoured quick spec ops, and heavy armoured slow troops.

    >Rebel United States of America: moderate cybernetics
    The Rebel Americans having a technological disadvantage, but a numerical advantage, this is the part where you start looking at a mix between the Chinese in Generals and the brutal who-cares-about-10000-kia Harkonnen from Dune.

    >Company: moderate cybernetics, combat drugs, resurrection
    The Company was something I never really fleshed out. Your average profit > casualties guys.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)08:43 No.13565767
    I have no idea what's going on here, but I suspect it of being funny.
    You! You are suspected!

    I always thought those Englishmen were slippery devils. Thank you, sirrah.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:45 No.13565783
    Nigga I just had an idea.

    With all the tech going around there should be drones, so why not TRAPDOOR DRONES!

    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:48 No.13565801
    Fuck me, a City and 200km of waterway? Gonna have to read up on that, it sounds like an awesome story.

    Yeah, that sounds pretty good. Essentially a good British play should consist of either specific or blanket decoys, (e.g. saturating the enemy's sensors with hundreds of targets, only one of which will be your ship, or a specific electronic signature misleading the enemy into thinking you're doing something your not, tricking the enemy into exposing weaker areas to your actual attack.) combined with very precise, hard hitting attacks.

    Make them very easily overwhelmed if discovered and/or outmaneuvered. The skill should be in not letting your enemy outmaneuver you.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:48 No.13565803
    Don't forget the fucking Challenger.

    Americans threw around SHITLOADS of friendly fire in Iraq, but they never managed to blow up a Challenger.


    The only Challenger ever destroyed, was destroyed by another Challenger.

    You can bomb a Challenger, you can fire more than 20 missiles at it, and it will KEEP GOING.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:49 No.13565810
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    I suppose OP isn't looking for groundwar things then?
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)08:51 No.13565819
    Holy Christ eating a cracker, dat's a lot of videos! It is always good to see what another guy looks to for inspiration.
    I've got the live action Jin Roh buffering at this very minute.
    Thank you. Thank you very much.

    But my friends, it has just occurred to me that, despite this being one of the more successful threads I've ever had, that it is readily approaching 6 in the morning. Technically, I have to be up half an hour ago.
    So I should probably be getting to work. I will... Well, I doubt this thread will still be here, but I will come to that archive thing, and I will read everything else that is said here, so don't be shy, any of you nice folk who haven't spoken up yet.

    Thank you my compatriots, you dearest of boards. As they say in Jersey, "Fuck the Mets!"
    ...Or, you know, as they say in California, see ya 'round.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:51 No.13565820
    The Challenger is of the reasons that I said very hardy, high tech units.

    Taking 72 RPGS in one sitting is no mean feat.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:53 No.13565832
    >vikings are back
    Sound's a bit cliche, but hey why not.

    Sounds pretty cool.
    >> OP 01/18/11(Tue)08:54 No.13565842
    No sir, no sir in fact, that is exactly what I'm looking for! I was about to leave but I could not help but let you know.
    Ok, now I must go. Really, honest and for true. Good night Australians, and Swedes, and Englishmen, and Americans, and dear, dear Portuguese.

    But no Montenegrins. The Montenegrins will receive, NO GOOD NIGHTS.
    Because it is not night time in Montenegro. I love you too though, Montenegro.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)08:56 No.13565858

    Challenger 2 - My favorite tank of all time.

    You sir, have good taste!
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)08:58 No.13565867

    Sleep well, OP.

    Will megaupload thread later
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:58 No.13565869
    This is so sweet it's making my teeth hurt. Hey, did anyone ask what France is up to?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)08:59 No.13565877
    You mind if we all try to continue a bit?

    I'm seeing some big possibilities here.

    Especially, a few months ago, I was posting what I posted here too, the videos you know.

    And the Eclipse Phase crowd was very interested in a transhumanist setting where countries still exist.

    Your plan can fit in REALLY good. There are NO transhumanist settings where countries still have power.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:00 No.13565880
    They had a war with Britain apparently, although no reason was given and no outcome was decided.

    I think we're pretty much waiting for a Frenchman to come and give us some insight.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:01 No.13565887

    >The only Challenger ever destroyed, was destroyed by another Challenger.

    Source on this?

    Because the Cr2 is so over-armoured and under-gunned it's hard to believe that its main gun could perforate its own armour. Unless they've made the switch already to US/German guns and ammunition and I missed it.

    Mobility-kill wouldn't be out of the question I guess, but you'd need a monster of a gun to perforate any of the tank-fighting sides.
    >> Lorefag !ltDtDMsMIE 01/18/11(Tue)09:05 No.13565915

    From wikipedia

    ''There have been two Challenger 2s damaged in combat and one destroyed:
    A friendly fire ("blue-on-blue") incident on 25 March 2003 in Basra in which one Challenger 2 of the Black Watch Battlegroup (2nd Royal Tank Regiment) mistakenly engaged another Challenger 2 of the Queen's Royal Lancers after detecting what was believed to be an enemy flanking manoeuvre on thermal equipment. The attacking tank's second HESH round hit the open commander's hatch lid of the QRL Tank sending hot fragments into the turret that caused an explosion of the stowed ammunition, destroying the tank and killing two crew members. It remains the only Challenger 2 to be completely destroyed on operations.[11]
    August 2006 - the driver of a Challenger 2, Trooper Sean Chance, lost three of his toes when an RPG-29 penetrated an ERA protected frontal part of the hull during an engagement in al-Amarah, Iraq.[12]
    April 6, 2007 - in Basra, Iraq, an IED shaped charge penetrated the underside of the tank resulting in the driver losing a leg and causing minor injuries to another soldier.[13]''
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:05 No.13565920
    It's not actually that under gunned. The gun it uses is actually quite powerful - and very accurate. I believe in a Chr 1 it got the record for the longest range tank on tank kill ever in the first world war. It just can't use the standardised NATO ammunition, which is expensive and the government hates things being expensive.

    Anyway, have a board of inquiry report, stolen from the sources section on the wiki page. There have also been two cases in iraq of a driver losing bits of a leg or some toes to RPG/IED explosions.

    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:06 No.13565924
    lol, make that first gulf, not first world.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:11 No.13565962
    I think he said he'd read the thread again later. So I say we carry on as before. But for transhumanist stuff, the only indication we have for something like that would be the crazy religious Chirons, who are supposed to bioengineer themselves to be more Godlike... Except the capital G means they're actually just trying to be more perfectly human.

    Is it transhumanist if what you're doing is becoming more human?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:14 No.13565974
    The way to describe multiple people from Chiron can't possibly be Chirons. It'd have to be Chironians, or Chironites.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:16 No.13565984
    You're right. Chirons would just be multiple planets named Chiron. It could also be Chironese. But I don't think that's really material.
    >> C&C-Guy !qu6hwr7mw2 01/18/11(Tue)09:16 No.13565989
    Guess we can scrap that.

    This is more a free-for-all for everyone.

    Transhumanism works best with... smaller-scale wars, and a functional society.

    I get the feeling from OP that the game is basically Kenshiro, except with guns and tanks and spaceships.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:18 No.13565997
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    This, but with more lasers and tanks? FUCK YEAUH
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:21 No.13566009
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    Vikings would be awesome, derelict drop ships loaded with humans in power armor using two handed axes and anti-material rifles. Beards, beards everywhere. Basically angry marines without the full on power suits. Gee!!!
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:21 No.13566010

    >The attacking tank's second HESH round hit the open commander's hatch lid of the QRL Tank sending hot fragments into the turret that caused an explosion of the stowed ammunition

    Knew it would be something like that, a one-in-a-million shot. HESH as well, that's fucked up.


    Although the Cr2 has the same diameter (120mm) gun as other Western tanks (Abrams, LeClerc, Leopard 2) the Cr2's gun is rifled. This is to make it compatible with HESH ammunition, which means that it is not compatible with more modern ammunition made/designed in the US and in Germany.

    HESH rounds are incredibly effective against older tanks, but protecting a tank against this type of attack is extremely cheap. New tanks, even those like the Arjun, will be largely impervious to HESH.

    There is a program in the works to replace all Cr2 guns with the Rheinmetall gun that the Leopard 2 uses. This is a very good gun which can use the most lethal 120mm ammunition ever devised.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:23 No.13566017
    It's a messed up setting, alright. What I'm wondering is whether or not mankind has actually pulled its shit together by the time they're actually doing stuff in space, or is Lord Humungous still running around on the ground while they're fighting space wars up above?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:24 No.13566022
    Viking are go, check: >>13565726
    >> C&C-Guy !qu6hwr7mw2 01/18/11(Tue)09:24 No.13566023
    I guess something like that.

    Like a nuclear burned city, with in the middle pristine company and government buildings, perfectly rebuild.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:25 No.13566027
    Hell no dude. Lord Humungous is IN space, fighting aliens. The meek inherited Earth. The badasses all went to kick xenos in the balls!
    >> C&C-Guy !qu6hwr7mw2 01/18/11(Tue)09:29 No.13566049
    So... if I'm correct, this is grimdark post-apocalyptic '80s scifi?
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)09:30 No.13566051
    Well not exactly, there's still the Fremen-tachans of Australia, Serb death machines, Indonesian Guerilla Predators, and Maoris.
    Oh, did I mention the Gurkha in power suits?
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:31 No.13566060
    I... Think so? It feels like it ought to be. The Op was a bit too bubbly to really convey how horrible it all is, I don't think my viewpoint is objective.
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    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)09:34 No.13566073
    I remember that OP said Earthlings are the Tau to the colonies' Imperium, so Earth conditions might be pre-nuke levels, maybe?
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    >I've been placed in charge of one of the army books
    >one of the army books
    >one of
    >> White Knight !ixVjPBzJQk 01/18/11(Tue)09:37 No.13566089
    I don't get it.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:41 No.13566107
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    Fuck off you fucking retard.


    Explain to me how 5% of 16 million Dutch citizens are going to take over the other 95%.

    >sorry for reacting to this trollfaggot, but I have to vent.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:41 No.13566108
    How do you not understand? They put one guy in charge of a book that encompasses the entirety of Earth. All of this shit that we've been talking about in this thread, all of it, is one goddamn book of this game. How massive is the Machine codex going to be? or the Chironese one? These had better be PDFs or we're going to end up paying $40 a book.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:42 No.13566119
    That was ten hours ago dude.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:44 No.13566135
    I just woke up man. Give me a break.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)09:54 No.13566182
    NZfag here chiming in. Considering that the majority of our power and resources etc. come from the south island, while the largest concentration of people (including all our major corporate groups and our ENTIRE FUCKING GOVERNMENT) are sitting up north on costal areas, I suspect NZ itself would have suffered serious economic and beaurocratic shutdown. Our government would be out of action, a good portion of our population would probably be underwater or dead in the streets from looting/rioting/what-have-you.

    North island I can see becoming a sort of miniature Australia, with roving gangs (probably seperated in most cases between Maori and Pakeha groups) all over the place and general lawlessness. The south, on the outher hand, would probably retreat inland and mostly just... keep going. A lot of us are rural farm-living people and bush/backcountry folks anyway, at least where I'm from, and even the local governing people have survival skills for the most part.

    Military-wise, our SAS/SIS is pretty damn impressive. Think CIA and Black Ops, but to the extent that the majority of our own country don't actually know we have it, and I know of some cases of SIS members working regular jobs in related industries, keeping an eye on internal stuff.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/18/11(Tue)10:01 No.13566231
    Well, there is also the Oceanic Confederation/Alliance thing, in which ASEAN teamed up with Aussie and NZ and PNG.
    Elitest team of commandos right there.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)10:10 No.13566293
    Yep! Just trying to add in a little fluff on what could be expected of NZ between "War Were Declared" and the pulling together of the Oceanic Confederation.

    In that respect, too, I can picture NZ serving in a sort of resources and counter-OPs forces manner. Like, provided we weren't hit with Nuke fallout from Aus, we have -masses- of farmable land that could probably be industrialised somewhat to provide food to the rest of the Confederacy, and the strong 'improvise and take any measures necessary' mentality among the general populace would be ideal for counter-intelligence and small combat units.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)10:27 No.13566424
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    Is there going to be any African presence on the battlefield?
    I think if anything, having Somalian mercenary's or African mercenary's that are enhanced and made to be more savage and aggressive by drugs, narcotics, and steroids would be a nice addition to the flavor of this
    Hell, send in a wave of narcotic fueled, crazed, near fearless Africans at the enemies of mankind and if nothing else, it will terrify them.
    I would imagine that they would not be very effective on their own as far as killing power goes, but they would be cheap, and I'd imagine that there would be a lot of them. I picture them as having a tonne of expendable units, with a few warmahines or units that are as crazy as they are.
    Or you could take the approach of having a tonne of expendable units while having a number of choice shock troops that have been enhanced or made to be savage due to all of the drugs and narcotics that they have been conditioned and enhanced with (you could even have yourself units that got royally messed up by all the drugs and would be deformed sluggish creatures that can take punishment)

    Just a suggestion, I thought it might be cool.
    >> Anonymous 01/18/11(Tue)11:30 No.13566966
    So what's going on with Aus/NZ then? Are they with the Oceanic Federation or the Commonwealth or some freaky combination of the two?

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