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    47 KB Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:06 No.13460254  
    Roleplaying games. Unavoidably, it's a male-dominated hobby. That affects everything about it, and it also affects the people who take part in it. People on this very board have often wondered what the game would be like if our culture was different and the gender divide was reversed.

    Well, a friend of mine began losing interest in roleplaying games. He stopped coming to meetings and oriented his social life more toward clubbing, drinking, and concerts. Nothing wrong with that, we all change over time.

    Then one day he took up a new hobby - sewing. And he found the mirror universe for roleplaying games.

    Sewing used to be a life skill, but today with mass produced clothes it's more of a hobby. People who sew in America tend to do it because they enjoy sewing and making clothes. Whenever I go with my friend to sewing stores, I get the same weird hobbyist vibes I get when I walk into a game store, but the genders are flipped. You’d think it’d be all grandmas and older mothers, but that’s no more true than every roleplayer being a certain kind of guy. There are younger people who sew, but so far as either of us can tell they’re almost all girls.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:07 No.13460266

    It’s not just the raw numbers that are flipped, though. If you’ve got an eye for it there’s a mirror culture. When my friend went to the store for materials and his first sewing machine the women who worked there eagerly crowded round and called others over to help him and provide advice - much of it apparently too technical and enthusiastic for him to understand yet.

    He also ran into female sewers who were dismissive of him. These were mostly other shoppers, who - if asked - might ask if he was there to buy materials for his girlfriend or mother, or cautioned him against taking up sewing for reasons they apparently didn’t articulate very well. Others, on the other hand, were all too eager to talk his ear off about patterns and their past creations. By the way, my friend has discovered there are almost no patterns for male clothing outside of a few vests and suits, apparently due to lack of demand.

    After telling me about this, I went with him one time to see for myself. When we went together, however, things were different. The other customers were more standoffish, and the salespersons kept looking at me oddly. I tried hanging back, but they were definitely distracted. At some point my friend told me the salesperson who’d been helping him had asked if he was planning to make anything for me, and reading between the lines we realized they were wondering if we were gay.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:08 No.13460274

    What makes all of this especially funny for me is that the sewing store and the gaming store are next door to each other in the same strip mall. All these years we’d been going into the gaming store and not given the sewing store a second thought. It’s like two worlds, so close and yet so far apart, separated by just a narrow interior wall.

    There’s some sort of metaphor buried in here, I think.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:12 No.13460307
    ALL hobbies have this. I have interests outside of gaming (18-19th century naval warfare, military vehicle scale modeling) and there are the grognards, the enthusiasts, and the normal people who just enjoy their hobbies.

    Funny that your buddy took up sewing, what does he sew, specifically?
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:14 No.13460330
    I'M A GUY
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:15 No.13460340
    Back when I was in high school sewing/crosstitching became a big thing, and a lot of guys got into it.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:15 No.13460342
    Tattered remains of hopes and dreams.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:18 No.13460389
    and you know, historical reenactors already know this.

    most of them are to be found trawling fabric stores muttering "linen! no, real, linen linen!" "no, that's 5 percent poly, wont do..." and "no, that's far too synthetic a dye. do you have it in white, I can dye it to the right colour..."

    we get looks from the women with surprise, as we pick up the heaviest twill cotton canvas, and they say things like "you cant run that througha machine" and we reply "oh, no, this is all handsewn - and then we put the armour plates in...".
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:22 No.13460428
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    oh, and not to forget the "special order only" silks and natural wools, normally reserved for the dressmakers for weddings and the likes, which we sit pouring over, buying metres at a time...

    "wedding? no, its for a feast... or maybe a tournament".

    and of course, the line to *really* confuse them... "dresses? no, this is something for the horse..."
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:23 No.13460433
    Saved. Thanks for sharing OP.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:24 No.13460443
    I can only imagine the fun you have.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:24 No.13460450
    You know what? I would think that guy really lame if he didn't own a horse.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:31 No.13460517
    qq would pony play count?
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:33 No.13460546
    This is all oddly endearing. I'm quite of our stunted neckbeard cousins, but the thought of a version of them who have an excuse for having boobs is just lovely. Awwwwww
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:34 No.13460548
    This is entertaining OP.

    Tell us more please.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:37 No.13460590
    TBH, I'm not sure if the guy on the horse there owns it or borrows/rents them, as he jousts competitively worldwide, and I imagine the excess baggage costs for a harness of plate armour are nothing compared to fitting Dobbin in a suitcase too...

    (that said, I personally dont ride. Accident years ago broke my back. a bad fall from a horse and I'd never walk again. rather limits me to being on foot. )
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:48 No.13460700
    As a larper, I will go into a spotlight (a local sewing store chain) every so often. I do note that most of the time I am one of the few males in the store and most other are ether with their partner or looking lost. And now that you mention it, the girls at the counter are very happy to service me.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:49 No.13460711
    Fuck you OP.

    I think I've picked up a seamstress fetish after having read this. Sitting in a rocking chair with a needle and thimble, chattering about thread in a full-length dressing gown...

    Oh god. What have you done to me?
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:53 No.13460756
    >"Hey, sewing is a hobby just like role-playing"
    >"This is my new fetish"

    Oh /tg/, I love you.
    >> monotreeme 01/09/11(Sun)21:54 No.13460767
    rolled 94 = 94

    No more, or less than you did to yourself.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)21:59 No.13460810
    English, motherfucker.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:14 No.13460937
    The looks you get are priceless indeed.
    'I'd like, say, twenty meters of this linen... make it thirty"
    "Oh, what's it for?"
    "Armour, MAYBE a tabard If we're lucky."
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:16 No.13460956
    I just realized when I go to the fabric store with my girlfriend, after a while I get bored and whiny and try to make her leave.

    >> Cerebrate Anon 01/09/11(Sun)22:20 No.13460982
    All my female friends are into this. It always perplexed me. My love of roleplaying games perplexed them.

    I suppose we're even.

    Now, how to convince them all to take up tabletops in exchange for teaching me to sew...?
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:22 No.13460994
    I'd suggest LARP, but we all know it's not going to end well. Pull them into reenactment instead and work from there.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:23 No.13461000
    >mfw I've never heard of anyone who sews as a hobby
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:23 No.13461001

    >the girls at the counter are very happy to service me.

    Obligatory giggity.
    >> Cerebrate Anon 01/09/11(Sun)22:24 No.13461011
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    >Start LARPing

    So I can absolutely verify all of their negative views of the hobby?
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:25 No.13461021
    This is the same for scrapbooking, seriously.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:26 No.13461029
    I went to a fabric store in may of last year, I needed a screen to project an image on for a something I was working on at uni.

    Things were.... interesting.

    I didn't know how to buy anything, the cloth was displayed in huge rolls even I couldn't lift on shelves. I spent a good five minutes pretending to inspect material while covertly watching the women go about their business, eventually I had to give that up and ask what I had to do. Then came the questioning which seemed to confuse them, "You're using it to do what exactly?"

    However all that said they were friendly, helpful and evidently baffled by what I was trying to. Lots of mystified smiles directed my way.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:26 No.13461034
    You could also get into reading comprehension sometime.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:27 No.13461044
    No, reading am hard.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:29 No.13461057

    The male:female ratio, amongst roleplaying in general, is most equal at LARPs. At least here in Georgia.

    It may mostly be just that girls like to dress up, but I'm not sure. It's also that when they go, all the "I can't get laid in real life" guys follow them around and hang on to every word, so they may like the whole 'power trip' thing.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:30 No.13461064

    Reading amn't hard. Confidence for you and world of excite am all await for patiently dedication.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:33 No.13461096

    Orks aint made'n for readin. Ain't no dakka dere.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:35 No.13461116
    That shit is scary. I've seen scrap bookers sit for like five hours just trimming pictures. I can understand how a hobby can take a long time, but sitting there and trimming pictures all day...
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:38 No.13461140
    If only they understood the value of temporary characters which can require massive amounts of research, background writing, customization and artwork.

    The fools.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:39 No.13461154

    Sort of, but scrapbookers are older and also about a zillion times more boring even than sewers.

    Women of all ages sew, though, and they form their own groups and have their own divisions and interests just like we do. Apparently some knit as well, while others don't, and some consider it distant from sewing or even dislike it - it puts me in mind of how there are comic nerds, video game nerds, roleplaying nerds, all part of the gaming nerd identity but separate interests themselves.

    This is the OP, by the way. The only other thing I could think of my friend shared was about the lack of male patterns. He likened it to how in roleplaying fantasy everything's a male fantasy, with pictures of skimpily dressed women and muscular, heroic men. There's usually only a small effort made to make things appealing to women, and these attempts are often clumsy and possibly even more likely to alienate.

    Similarly, the available mens fasions tend to be terribly out of date or are otherwise what women would like or imagine men would wear. There are handsome suits and a few obvious basics like t-shirts, but no sweaters, no undershirts, no gym clothes and precious little good casual wear. The few men my friend has connected with online have confirmed that a man interested in sewing his own clothes basically has to learn how to invent their own patterns sometimes although they were good enough to share their own resources.

    Some girl he met recently (knew vaguely of before but became more of an acquaintance after he revealed his interest in sewing) lent him some sort of fancy sewing machine and fancy multi-pattern thing. He's very impressed (I have no clue what it is or what it does), but a bit weirded out she was willing to lend these to him while hardly knowing him.

    Personally, I suspect he might have befriended a 'nice girl', but I'm mostly joking. If it turned out to be true though, woah, wouldn't that be a thing? Get a chuckle out of me for sure.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:42 No.13461197
    >no undershirts

    You honestly didn't expect them to stock 'wife beaters', did you?
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:45 No.13461239
    I got this vibe as well when I went to get felt to line my tool boxes. A strange alter world. Nice old women, though. They can be respected regardless of age or gender.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:46 No.13461247
    ive actually been looking around for a decent LARP to join, what kinds do we have here in georgia? Im near atlanta if location will help any
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:48 No.13461270

    Check it out, patterns for undershirts and exercise wear.

    But yeah, aside from the vests, pj, and nursing scrubs, the only other mens patterns tend to be halloween costumes. There's some pretty badass mens patterns in the costume sections that you can adapt to everyday wear, if you're a bad enough dude to dress like it's 1860.

    As for making your own patterns, there's not a lot of modern books that even cover pattern drafting for men, they mainly all focus on women's high fashion and the ones that do cover menswear are almost exclusively for high-end tailoring. In the theatre I work at, when we need to make menswear we end up working off of vintage patterns or drafting instructions, and updating the style lines to whatever era we need.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:49 No.13461291
    Nero has a group out there.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:49 No.13461292

    Thanks for the link and the insight! I'll be sure to pass it along to my friend.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:50 No.13461295
    Gender relations at LARPing events are closer to 1:1, but be warned, every single one of those women is spoken for, and you have *literal* white knights who will charge at you if they think you are annoying their unit's bicycle
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:51 No.13461325
    I learned how to knit when I was a kid, and I still know how to do it.

    How much nerdy knit-girl pussy could I get by taking it up again as a "hobby"?
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:52 No.13461331
    I admit, I lol'd.

    Of course, its 100% true, too. Not a single woman at a LARP event can go without defensively mentioning she has a boyfriend if someone new talks to her.

    And if you go after a girl? All of her squadmates drop what they're doing and start headshotting.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:54 No.13461348
    I've always sewn. Single mom, only child, low on cash. Even though I was a boy, she taught me sewing and knitting and crochet at a fairly early age. It was an easy way to keep me under control.

    Fast forward until I'm 22. A friend of mine comes over and lets me know that he's going to be participating in this LARP that lasts all weekend and he needs a costume. This is me going "Shucks, where you gonna get one?" He then reminds me that I have a sewing machine. Twenty minutes later, he offers me $50 if I make him a badass swashbuckler outfit to impress chicks with.

    So we head to the fabric store. I flirt shamelessly with the staff, even the gray haired bitty, as always. Tell them that my friend is part of an acting group and needs a costume. Oh, what play? Er, Prisoner of Zenda, yeah. That's it. So he needs a swashbuckler outfit. Instantly, help comes out of the woodwork. Apparently chicks dig actors? I... don't know.

    After getting all the fabric and some costume patterns, he asks me how much it would cost to teach him how to do this stuff. My favorite part? A few of the girls from the LARP started asking me to do their costumes too. Sadly, they're the ones who dragged me into the damn thing, and roleplaying in general.

    Still worth it when I have them try on the bodice, though.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:56 No.13461369

    It gives you the same odds you would have in any hobby that has a significant female demographic that are within your age range and are not spoken for.

    That is to say you will meet girls. Quite a lot of them. Other than that it's entirely down to you.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:56 No.13461372
    Well, as opposed to male dominated hobbies, quite a few women at the fabric store are single. Almost depressingly so. In a way, similar to a hobby set we all enjoy...
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:56 No.13461373
    There's a One World by Night game in Atlanta, I think.

    All of it.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:58 No.13461398
    feel the girls' tits when you size them for costumes
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)22:59 No.13461405
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    Yes, but where da games?
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:01 No.13461424
    Aw, come on man. This is a legitimately interesting, AND grognard-hobby-related thread. There's even some LARP subdiscussion going on. Why do you even have a Fresh Prince reaction image anyw- oh.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:06 No.13461480
    I am almost depressed at the fact I have but one tool box to felt now...
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:07 No.13461487

    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:10 No.13461526
    Sewing always seemed like one of those survival skills every cheapskate should know. If not the creation, at least the repair. Less money spent on new pants is more money spent on rule books
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:10 No.13461527
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    It's sort of odd how I look down upon the women in the craft stores. I see them buying odd trinkets and baubles to adorn their crafts with. I think of my own hobbies as some lofty pursuits, only to realize I look equally as pathetic lurking in the miniatures isle as they do browsing their own wares.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:14 No.13461571
    No, actually I try to keep everything quick and professional when I touch them. Some of them are really nervous the first time, and I've only had two girls who seemed to interested when I did it. Even then, one's taken by a guy who quite honestly scares me, and the other one has such a large fanbase that I'm worried about what ditch I might be found in if I did get serious with her. (That and she's supposedly the LARP bicycle, and why do I want to go where every man has gone before? I haven't seen anything to prove it myself, but still. Better safe than sorry, if you catch my drift.)

    I don't hide the fact that I'm straight. The time that I enjoy is after I actually have to touch them. Generally, once they're relaxed with my presence, they tend to forget that I'm straight or simply quit caring and will lounge around and talk while I work, sometimes in varying degrees of undress. It's kind of strange to have a girl joking around with you as you're making alterations to her dress while she's just in her bra and panties. I'd rather have that than scare them off by copping a cheap feel any day.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:17 No.13461605
    The fact that Franklin is my middle name is disturbing. Name's David, though, sorry.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:27 No.13461719
    Its a discussion about a topic relating to the hobby of games, its perfectly on topic. Now shoo back to /v/.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:28 No.13461727
    Whenever we get all the guys together for 40k or what-have-you, it's not uncommon for the wives/girlfriends/whatever to come along and have knitting circles in the living room while we play. I wonder if listening to us debate over rules and the merits of one little plastic army man over another is as odd for them as it is for us to listen to them talk about varying stitches and thread counts?
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:30 No.13461754
    I knew this one wanker in middle school that tried to crochet a cap but he fucked up and it was a beer cozy instead.

    Good times.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:35 No.13461810
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    The manufacture of mail armor must be of similar interest to them. Imagine a GF who wold sit tirelessly making a kings coat of mail.

    Such a wonderful dream.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:45 No.13461924
    I can't imagine that it would be, as there's little on the creative side -- just link after link after link. Even more so for an 8 in 2 coat.
    >> Anonymous 01/09/11(Sun)23:57 No.13462059
    As yet another LARPer who sews, you just made me realize how much of this phenomena I've lived.
    Espeically the
    >they were wondering if we were gay.
    bit, which I hadn't even thought about (as the buddy I tend to go buy cloth with IS, in fact, very gay). But, yeah, thinking about it, bitches aren't nearly as interested in me when I'm there with him.
    >> Stately Buff-Cookie ! 01/10/11(Mon)00:26 No.13462455
    This thread is why you should never disrespect. Hold no preconceptions. Be polite about someone's interest even if you don't give a damn.

    You look just as weird in comparison.
    >> Anonymous 01/10/11(Mon)00:30 No.13462508
    >Of course, its 100% true, too. Not a single woman at a LARP event can go without defensively mentioning she has a boyfriend if someone new talks to her.
    That's because if she doesn't he will immediately hit on her.
    >> LogicNinja !AZlS3./ex. 01/10/11(Mon)00:32 No.13462543
    Yep. There's a store my girl goes to to knit (called, amusingly, Chics with Sticks), and... pretty much. There *are* a couple of guys, though.

    Also, kittens. The store has four kittens. They sleep in baskets of yarn. It is so fucking adorable.
    >> one-eyed hermit 01/10/11(Mon)00:37 No.13462615
    so true.
    so very true
    >> officer nocaps !!/dU3mz/V7tb 01/10/11(Mon)00:41 No.13462647
    >Also, kittens. The store has four kittens. They sleep in baskets of yarn. It is so fucking adorable.

    i will knit everything

    not a single thing i won't knit
    >> LogicNinja !AZlS3./ex. 01/10/11(Mon)00:45 No.13462700
    Chics with sticks in Santa Cruz, Brodysseus.
    >> Anonymous 01/10/11(Mon)00:50 No.13462739

    It's always nice to see hobbies come together like this. Mutual misunderstanding, but cooperation all the same... Especially for that guy who makes bodices. Dayum.
    >> one-eyed hermit 01/10/11(Mon)00:51 No.13462750
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    this can end in a beautyful, wonderful solution to all the loneliness...
    >> one-eyed hermit 01/10/11(Mon)00:53 No.13462793
    >> Anonymous 01/10/11(Mon)00:57 No.13462846
    She was holding a goddamned fucking sword. She was surrounded by her unit. I asked if she could provide archer cover by the objective.

    "Sure, I'll get my boyfriend!"
    >> one-eyed hermit 01/10/11(Mon)01:00 No.13462872
    siee, I dont get this. this have NEVER been an issue in ANY Larps i've ever done. then again, the swedish larps might e abit more srious or its the fact that the game is only once a year (four days in the woods/mountain) or the people are just... I dunno.
    It just baffles me
    >> Anonymous 01/10/11(Mon)01:00 No.13462880
    >She was holding a goddamned fucking sword.
    >I asked if she could provide archer cover by the objective.

    >holding a sword
    >archer cover

    Either you don't know the finer details of archery...or you don't know how to hit on women.
    >> Anonymous 01/10/11(Mon)01:01 No.13462888
    That explains it, bro. Your country actually has relatively normal gender relations.
    >> one-eyed hermit 01/10/11(Mon)01:04 No.13462914
    not my country. I just play with them
    >> BRIAN 01/10/11(Mon)01:25 No.13463143
    too true. Tried to explain that to a douche once who was berating my lack of proper gear ratios on my bike.

    In response I explained to him that Zechs Marquise is a carbon-copy of Char Aznable and no one with self-respect pays attention on non Universal Century anyway.

    When he inevitably looked at me dumbfounded I interjected "see, THATS what you sound like when you talk this shit!"
    Needless to say he paid it little heed and to this day is a cocktarded dick-nard.

    Incidentally, has anyone archived this gem of a thread?
    >> one-eyed hermit 01/10/11(Mon)01:32 No.13463202
    nope(not that I know). yoou should do it
    >> Anonymous 01/10/11(Mon)01:34 No.13463224

    Did you tell him that Zechs also had a gay helmet?
    >> Anonymous 01/10/11(Mon)01:34 No.13463234

    news at 11
    >> BRIAN 01/10/11(Mon)01:38 No.13463274

    I decried the overly-emlodramatic rehasing of the OYW's character interactions further smothered by super-robotism and thus erasing the underpinning tension of vulnerability that gave life and realism to the whole enterprise.
    >> Anonymous 01/10/11(Mon)01:42 No.13463318

    See you should have just told him he had a gay helmet.
    >> BRIAN 01/10/11(Mon)01:49 No.13463401
    but that would have esched my goal of producing a dumbfounded look on his face so as to show him what he sounded like.


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