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    69 KB Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)19:23 No.13422964  
    Hey /tg/. I know there's a lot of creative types here, so I thought I'd ask:

    How many of you use that creative aspect to make a living? Maybe as writers, artists or whatever.

    Me, I'm a writer. I do indie comics and short stories.

    Pic related. Most recent project is about a fallen angel.
    >> Titanium Man 01/06/11(Thu)19:48 No.13423274
    I'm a freelance humor writer, actually. Not a regular gig yet, but I'm working my way up to it. The writefagging I do here is mostly for fun.
    >> sage Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)19:49 No.13423286
    That's Lucifer.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)19:49 No.13423288
    Your comic would be better if it left out the cigarettes.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)19:52 No.13423325
    Like 90% of /tg/, I'm working on what will undoubtedly be a bestselling novel.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)19:53 No.13423336
    Just out of curiosity, what do you make a month?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)19:59 No.13423404
    Being my writer was my goal in life for a long time, till I realized that enjoying writing and being good at it were two completely different things
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:01 No.13423419
    Straight edge faggot spotted.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:02 No.13423433
    I'm a con artist. That's a combination of acting, salesmanship, and creative endeavor to make convincing cons.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:04 No.13423454
    I'm a novelist, though the Fantasy and Sci-Fi genre doesn't exactly pay in liquid gold.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:06 No.13423469
    I write erotic fiction.
    >> Titanium Man 01/06/11(Thu)20:06 No.13423474

    There's no reason you can't have both. I'd say enjoyment is tantamount to skill - when the quest to improve becomes overbearing, it really sucks the fun out of a hobby. I learned that the hard way - I'm a failed drawfag. The trick is not to give a shit about the ultimate outcome. Instead, your goal is:

    1. Am I enjoying myself?
    2. Am I doing the best I can to improve my skills?

    1's over 2 because it's more important, but both are vital. As long as you end each session answering "yes" to both questions, you're golden.

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    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:12 No.13423541

    Eh, hard to say. That's the problem with freelance is that pay is erratic and I often take temp jobs to make ends meet, but the magazine stuff pays well. The comic stuff I make pretty much nothing from - it all goes into funding itself, I don't see a penny from a penny as it stands. But the point is getting my name out there.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:23 No.13423659
    Go on then, what have you written?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:42 No.13423899

    Not much, yet. Black Library have published the novels I've actually managed to knuckle down and finish, but I'm fucking horrendous with deadlines.

    Going to actually try shopping my non-40K stuff around this year, though.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:43 No.13423917
    Technically, I'm a 3D and 2D artist - and will also be - a rigger, animator and coder.

    In reality, I've barely scratched the surface as I've only been doing this for a few months; I've got a lot to learn, but what I have is fun as fuck.

    I'm terrible at textures (indeed, i've done very few), but I can at least put a game-legal model together successfully.
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    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:48 No.13423979

    Swallow, get the fuck off of 4chan and write something decent.
    >> Shas'o R'myr !!J5+vjygjQuK 01/06/11(Thu)20:51 No.13424013

    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:51 No.13424016
    Arguably, and this is a pretty flimsy one at best, software architecture and development takes creativity and I'm paid for that aspect. Other high'n'mighty code-monkeys have argued this to me before.

    But honestly, right now, I'm just a grunt in front of a computer. A highschooler could probably do everything that's been asked of me for the last 8 months. Fucking around with Sharepoint, network search, meetings. Before that? SQL-monkey, So a trained highschooler with two weeks of training.

    So no. No I don't make a living off it. Unless you consider sustaining false pretense that keeps me employed there to be creative.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:53 No.13424040

    Out of curiousity, how do you get that job? Do Black Library take submissions or do you have to have a lot of prior work behind you and then they approach you?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)20:58 No.13424092
    I wrote a screenplay in college and sold it to Hollywood. Paramount bought it and it never went anywhere. Oh well, them's the breaks.

    Now I'm a nurse who writes on the side. Will I ever sell another screenplay? Probably not. Will I write a novel and be satisfied that I did so? Working on it. Does it need to sell? Don't even plan to pitch it anywhere.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:00 No.13424130

    Naw, Dan's killer at nailing deadlines. Uh, epilepsy aside, that is.

    Plentiful (and often true...) stereotypes of quality aside, it's just like any other publisher. They accept pitches through their Submissions Editor, or whichever editor is playing that role for X months at the time. Though BL also runs that anthology contest jazz, which is probably the preferred way to get into it these days.
    >> Titanium Man 01/06/11(Thu)21:07 No.13424177

    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:07 No.13424182


    I loved Helsreach and Soul Hunter, haven't got round to the others yet. You managed to make everything seem so much more...personal than several other, un-named writers.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:08 No.13424203

    Did you have any formal education in creative writing...or just said "Screw this I'm going to start writing"?

    And "If" that's really you, First Heretic is the best Black Library novel put out.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:09 No.13424214
    What do ya plan to write next for BL? If you don't mind me asking.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:13 No.13424256

    Nice. If I knew more lore (I used to read literally everything BL put out until about the age of sixteen, then went SRS LITERATYOOR and havent got back in the habit) I might consider putting something together for a pitch.

    It's a shame Warhammer Monthly folded. That was a good comic.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:16 No.13424293
    Thanks, dude. Always appreciated.

    Hnngh. Yeah, I have a BA in English Writing, but in all honesty, there's not always much to be said for writing courses. There's often very little technical stuff on them, which can be pretty dull but ends up being dead essential.

    Thanks for the TFH mention - there's a bunch I'd change about it, but I'm proud of the final result. It reviews well, so... y'know, no complaints on my end.

    Don't wanna do the distasteful self-advertising thing, so the short version is: a Grey Knights novel. I'm sure it'll be 8 months' late like everything else I do, though.
    >> Titanium Man 01/06/11(Thu)21:16 No.13424294

    Formal education isn't really how a fiction writer goes about developing their skill. They just read a ton and use that to improve. For what I've learned about writefagging, that's basically what I've done.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:18 No.13424317

    I think it was Stephen King who said that a writer should spend half his time reading and the other half writing if he wants to get any good. Solid advice.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:19 No.13424326

    I remember read an article by Leo Benedictus and Johnathan Franzen - both serious authors published by Random House - about how writers have to almost convince people that they DIDNT take writing courses so that they could be taken seriously. It's a shame, because writing's a craft and needs to be taught like one, but everyone has this image of the writer (like most artists) being someone who just sort of has books inside them and periodically spits them out.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:20 No.13424336
    8 monthes late is better than 10 years like some novelists.

    Nice, GK's are pretty badarse. Wondering, though Space Marines seem more your thing, any chance on a Inquisitor novel in the (possibly far) future?

    It's shame Abnet is the only guy doing it, it seems Dark Heresy has shown us you can get so much more creative off the battlefield.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:20 No.13424340

    "Read Stephen King On Writing" is what I always answer when I get the inevitable "What advice do you have?" question at book signings.

    Say what you want about King (and it's nothing he wouldn't say about himself, I reckon) but his advice is crystal clear and all of it is shrewd stuff.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:20 No.13424343

    The inner editor's a bitch, right? Whenever someone says something good about my comics, I'm always like "argh but I fucked it up so awful"
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:22 No.13424362

    No problem, it's easy to compliment such a well written book. Specifically, that was the first book where I found Chaos "Evil". The manner in which you described the possession of the marines was actually disconcerting. They came across as violated and that's the most mature writing I've found in a Black Library novel. Keep up the good work!
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:23 No.13424367
    I'm a novelist of moderate success. Surprisingly there are far fewer groupies and piles of money than I was led to believe.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:25 No.13424379

    I don't know, I always worry that on the back of Eisenhorn and Ravenor's success that there'd be a glut of inquisitor protagonists. The one in Counter's Grey Knights novels always felt a little shoehorned to me, for instance. That said, been away from BL stuff for a while, so I don't know how much that's been the case.


    Especially if you have a special format in mind, such as screenplays or scripts because those tend to have precisely prescribed layouts. I really didn't get anywhere writing comics until Antony Johnston (who is a lovely man and I will fight anyone who says otherwise) gave me a collection of his scripts to use as reference for what the script should LOOK like.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:26 No.13424387

    Sweet, what do you write? Anything we might have heard of?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:26 No.13424389
    I do like the Astartes, yeah. On both sides of the divide. That said, I don't like how they're written most of the time. I feel a little like it's a concept with a lot of hidden depths to it. That said, yeah, my Grey Knights novel will be pretty Inquisitor-heavy. I tend to put down any novel that's purely Marine-tastic. What interests me is how the humans and Astartes play off each other, and how they (often fail) to interact.

    /end pretentious toolage.

    Ugh. I know that pain.

    Ha, that's beautiful. If you ever find linkies to that article, I'd be keen to check it out.
    >> Titanium Man 01/06/11(Thu)21:29 No.13424412

    I know this pretty well as...well. You wouldn't believe how often I labor over jokes for pieces I write. After being exposed to a lot of shit that passes for "comedy", I'm kind of a perfectionist who doesn't want to be like those people.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:32 No.13424434

    I'm afraid it was a print feature rather than online and I don't have the magazine anymore. Sorry.

    I was working for Random House last year - and before anyone starts pitching manuscripts to me, I was in publicity, not an editor. Job mainly involved tearing apart newspapers and magazines for reviews of our guys and then handing them off to marketing to stick the nice ones inside book jackets. The article was in one of the magazines and it only caught my eye because, like I said, Benedictus is one of ours.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:34 No.13424464

    I know what you mean. The Marines are socially stunted killbots and hence work best in an environment with actual human beings. It really helps get across the image of the only-kind-of-tame monster, the psycho you're glad is on your side. I mean, the warrior monk image is cool and all, but what interested me about Space Marines is how utterly inhuman they've become.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:36 No.13424487

    I don't think you guys would believe me if I told you, so I'll remain in the dark for now. I'll drop a hint or two, though, see if any of my fans are on here.

    - Worked on my first novel for years, posting excerpts on a blog for giggles, when a friend of mine name-dropped me to an editor friend of his. It all snowballed from there.
    - I've written two books so far.
    - George RR Martin gave me a hell of a blurb on the cover of my debut novel.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:38 No.13424509
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    Just to make it official that this is a Dembski-Bowden Thread.

    Having read this sucker, I think I'll check out some of your books. Also, do you know why the plot of the Spessmarines movie was so inchoate? Abnett has done much better writing elsewhere and then drops that turd of a screenplay.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:38 No.13424518
    I'd love to write for a living, even had many people tell me I'm good at it, but time and poverty don't really allow me to do much. I earn a living as a home remodeling contractor, and you have to bust ass these days because everybody thinks they can do it themselves (they can't.)

    It's all I can do to get together the weekly D&D campaign in my free time.

    Also, ADB thread, woot.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:39 No.13424525
    There's a bunch of trolls in this thread already, so you might as well tell us.

    For all you know, I could pick up one of your books tomorrow.

    So, what kind a genre do you write, anyway?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:40 No.13424534

    That's it exactly. There's a bit in Helsreach where Grimaldus knows someone is making a joke, but he doesn't know how to react to it, so he says nothing - just stares - and just waits for the next appropriate time to speak. I have a friend with a brother who does that (he's pretty far down the Autism Spectrum, shall we say) and that struck me as an interesting reaction, when unsure how to deal with other people.

    Astartes (especially Templars, and double-especially Chaplains) are so far from the people they were that it just struck me as a really powerful image - like how Grimaldus has no idea how to comfort the little girl that asks him if he's a hero, so he just stares down at the poor kid.

    /definitely end pretentious toolage.

    Captcha: AND rossela
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:41 No.13424548

    Not ADB, but if I had to hazard a guess I'd throw out two possible reasons.

    1) Unfamiliar format. Abnett does a lot of prose, not script work. The closest he's come would have been comics, which he's awesome at, but doesn't necessarily translate well into film. See every comic book movie before the first Spiderman for evidence.

    2) Not being able to actually write what he wanted to write. It's incredibly frustrating for a writer to work on a film because everyone ELSE on the production has different opinions on the script should look like. Remember how Kevin Smith was saying this producer asshole wanted Superman to fight a polar bear, and then fight a giant spider and so on and so on? It's like that.

    That said, just two obvious (but entirely speculative) possible options that have sprung to mind.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:43 No.13424560
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    Patrick Rothfuss?
    Keep up the good work.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:43 No.13424561
    ADB's here? Sweet. He's acknowledged /tg/ before though, so it wouldn't be too surprising.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:43 No.13424563
    Katie shooped the fluff off my hat in that photo.

    No worries, thanks, dude. I'll hunt anyway. I'm always up for a futile quest.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:44 No.13424575

    Let's put it like this:

    I'd never read anything of ADB's stuff before but tomorrow I am going into town and buying the first thing I see with his name on it because I know he's on /tg/ and hence is a bro.

    I would do the same for you, except you're being all coy and shit so I can't.

    Do yourself a favour, bro.

    PS: if your stuff is not on sale in the UK this offer is not valid
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:45 No.13424591

    Fair enough. I've never given much consideration to the writing side of film, I've always been fascinated by props, sets, and cinematography.

    Also, for the bro who dropped the cryptic clues to his identity, it is fucking difficult to find book reviews by George RR Martin, rather than reviews of his work.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:46 No.13424599
    I'm a shitty drawfag just out of university with a degree in graphic design and a minor in animation, but I think more people are impressed by my writings than by my art.

    I'm trying to get a graphic design job, but my shitty portfolio and zero experience is not really helpful, and I'm starting to think that I should just try my hand at getting a job writing.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:46 No.13424602
    Sorry, missed the actual question. Blinded by my own fat face.

    Where the movie was concerned, y'gotta bear in mind just what Dan was asked to do. Codex (or GW and Codex, whatever, fucked if I know - I'll ask next time) basically wanted a default, basic, introductory 'These Are Spess Mehreens' by the numbers deal. And that's what Dan delivered.

    We talk a fair bit, and I remember when he mentioned that. Joking aside, Dan's plots are rarely A to B like that, even when he writes Astartes. But it was one of those moments when he had a specific mandate, if you get me. It had to be what it was, I guess.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:47 No.13424610
    >I'd never read anything of ADB's stuff before but tomorrow I am going into town and buying the first thing I see with his name on it

    You're in for a treat then. I'm partial to the First Heretic though, because ADB writes the best Emperor I've ever read. I wish we could have the BL libraries come to America to sign autographs like UK bookstores get.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:49 No.13424626

    While the threat of a potential sale is a powerful one, I won't succumb to your wiles just yet. Besides, guessing games are fun.

    - I'm a fantasy writer.
    - I'm good friends with Joe Abercrombie. We are stylistically similar.
    - Michael Page did the reading of the audiobooks
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:49 No.13424627
    >Where the movie was concerned, y'gotta bear in mind just what Dan was asked to do.

    That's exactly what I suspected when I saw it.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:50 No.13424631

    Good guess but no. See >>13424626 for additional hints.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:50 No.13424640

    If you want some guaranteed revenue, sell autographed copies of your next book on /tg/, ABD. Really, anyone could make some guaranteed bank on that offer, providing they had some cred here. Conversely, just recognizing the existence of this place might be enough to garner purchases.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:51 No.13424643
    Poking around on Rothfuss' website I'm not seeing any recommendation from GRRM for The Name of the Wind, but it does have rave reviews from Ursula Le Guin and Robin Hobb so now I'm resolved to buy that shit fa/tg/uy or no.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:51 No.13424644

    Writing a screenplay is EXTREMELY precise and techincal. There are all sorts of rules and conventions you have to abide by if you want a screenplay taken seriously. Like, for instance, a page has to represent one minute of screen-time so that a producer or a director can pick up a script, flick through it, and know in seconds how long the film is going to be.

    That's not even getting into extremely shitty stuff like how the margins have to be. And no, you can't be the rebel who changes up everything because these are formats everyone in the film industry conforms to and will expect from you.

    It's extremely off-putting to me. I find scripts as a format interesting - the interplay between a writer and a third part like an artist or a director - but I prefer writing for comics because it's much more subjective and individual. It feels like a conversation between me and the artist, instead of something I hand off to a bunch of suits who I know will take into the back room and rape it with switchblades.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:51 No.13424653
    Confirmed for Scott Lynch.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:53 No.13424672

    There's only so many books to dig through...we're going to hunt your name down, you bastard
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:55 No.13424691

    >bad with deadlines

    You're a writer, so that's kind of implied.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:55 No.13424694

    William Nicholson?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:56 No.13424706
    The shoe appears to fit.

    Mr. Lynch, why have you announced the titles and vague synopses of five books you haven't written yet?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:56 No.13424712

    Ha, that's awesome. Trust me, despite getting a fairly decent reception on /tg/ when BL threads come up, I'm under no delusion that more than 2% know who I am, and only 1% give a fuck. I'm a dick, but I'm not deluded.

    That said, /tg/ does get a mention in my next novel's acknowledgement blurb. My first year getting published has been fucking insane, and the forum feedback has been awesome. It's just a Chaos Marine novel, but the thought is in it.

    I had to smuggle the name in, though. BL won't even link to my blog because of the content, so there's no way I could just say "Thanks to Bolter and Chainsword, and also 4chan."

    So we're in the Thanks list as "the elegan/tg/entlemen".
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:57 No.13424717
    He probably has a general idea of how he wants the story to go.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:57 No.13424722

    It seems I do have a fan on here, or failing that someone clever enough to pick up the hints. Well done, brave sir knight.

    I've been coming to /tg/ for years now. You guys are great fun and make Wisconsin winters all the more bearable.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:58 No.13424731
    This thread is interesting, and makes me realise I should probably follow and support new authors in my preferred niche genres instead of poking around second-hand bookshops for old Vances and Moorcocks.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:58 No.13424734
    I'm a student currently, planning to go into game development and use my time not spent programming actually writing the stories for the games. I'm also an aspiring writer, so hey. Many paths man, many paths.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)21:59 No.13424736

    Not always. I'm worked as a copywriter before I went creative, meaning I was writing to some pretty strictly enforced deadlines, so I got into a pretty good habit. Plus, one of my writer icons is Pratchett who churns out bestsellers every, what, six months? Dude HAULS.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:00 No.13424755
    Well Mr. Lynch, if that's you, I'll say that I've never read you but I've always been interested. I hear good things.

    I suspect most of /tg/ will be more pleased with a Chaos mention than a regular Space Marine one. And I've always been impressed with how accessible you are, like on the B&C.

    And I discovered the Great Crusade thanks to your blog, so that's cool too. The First Heretic has gotten me obsessed with the 30k-era stories.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:01 No.13424765
    Well, good sir, it seems we have found you.

    I've seen your books in the shops once, I THINK, but expect a purchase from in the near future.

    Always need to support your fellow elegan/tg/entlemen and all. Plus Martin is my favourite author, and if he likes, I'm sure I will too.

    If this isn't a bunch of trolls, surely this thread has been one of the greatest I've been in.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:01 No.13424768
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    Got the first book on the pile but haven't got around to reading it yet. The hints of two books total, Michael Page and Joe Abercrombie did it. :)
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:01 No.13424769
    So if he dies unexpectedly everyone will complain about how he hasn't finished the series, giving him a form of troll immortality.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:02 No.13424777
    Wow, two published writers in one thread.
    I thought we were all abject failures here on /tg/, way to buck the trend guys!

    >we're in the Thanks list as "the elegan/tg/entlemen".

    I think this is probably the first time this has ever happened in an actual published book. Feel proud /tg/, power of anonymous, legion, etc. etc.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:03 No.13424781

    Oh man, turns out I already have a copy of Locke Lamora then. Never actually got round to reading it, but definitely will now! Will go out and see if the bookstores have some of your other stuff too

    By the way, are you attending the upcoming Discworld convention? I understand it's in Wisconsin this year, right?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:03 No.13424788
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    My nigga, you fucked up with the Michael Page hint. I guessed William Nicholson by the way, purely based on the Michael Page hint, though he is way too old to even know this place exists. How would you characterize your own work?

    It is really cool when people who do more than sit in a basement post here and make their presence known. Reminds me there is life beyond endless replays of old rpg's and classes I barely give a fuck about.

    Pic is related only because I laugh every time I see it.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:06 No.13424820

    Writing a series of books is like having a child. When you first start, your life is balanced with the indescribable joy of being a father, sleepless nights of worrying about a screaming infant, and wiping excrement from intimate places. You start with the best intentions of intentions and you begin to think about the future. What sports are you going to encourage, whether he is going to take after you or her more, where he will go to college, what kind of woman he'll marry, and so on. You plot things out. You have certain milestones you'd like him to reach. You create the narrative, the arc. There is no guarantee that he reaches those waypoints but they make for good guiding lights.

    There are a few stops that I'd like Locke and Jean to make. Not much different from GM'ing a campaign, really.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:09 No.13424844

    True, but while you're bottlefeeding the baby you're only dreaming about their future, not writing their application for MIT.
    >> Enginseer Kirk !!kVeclOBrFLY 01/06/11(Thu)22:09 No.13424847
    I'm a student. I'm gonna apply for medschool this year. Worked for the grades, done the courses. Family tradition.
    On the side? I like philosophy, and writing fiction. Strictly amateur, but I've been told I'm good.
    But I don't think It's ever gonna pay off. Doesn't matter really. The confines of my mind on paper are enoug of a reward.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:10 No.13424861
    OP here

    >Start publishing some shitty little indie comics
    >Entertain vainglorious thoughts of being a creative genius
    >Passive-aggressively brag on /tg/
    >Holy shit actual legitimate authors what the hell

    I'm so proud, /tg/. Truly, you are the island of gold in an ocean of piss.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:11 No.13424876
    And now I think about it, having a reasonably firm plan from the outset probably helps in avoiding pulling a Jordan. Fantasy series are weird, really, in that they tend to be very long novels published in installments.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:13 No.13424889
    We'll read your comics too if you tell us what they are!

    And don't do yourself down, wanting your work recognised is hardly passive agressive.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:13 No.13424898
    >Pulling a Jordan
    Love that turn of phrase.
    Though that's probably a bit less poor planning and a bit more reckless profiteering.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:14 No.13424905

    Many thanks for the kind words. If you wanna buy a book, that's groovy of you. If not, my work may just be in your local library. As a man who didn't grow up wealthy and had a love of books, I would take no offense if you did the latter.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:15 No.13424923
    Aaron, if you're still there:

    Do you travel around and so signings and such, or do you have a static address for an agent where people can send theirs to get it signed or something?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:15 No.13424924
    Well, guess I'm walking to the library tomorrow.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:16 No.13424927
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    Holy fuck!

    Loved Locke Lamora. A pleasure, dude.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:16 No.13424933

    This tends to be a problem rather than an asset, though. I know LOTR is like the Bible to nerds, but let's be honest - the Hobbit was better because it was an actual STORY. LOTR was a sightseeing tour of Middle Earth with a vague narrative stapled on the side, which is why it took three fucking books. It lacks a lot of narrative focus that The Hobbit had.

    Do not get me started on the Silmarillion.

    It's probably because fantasy authors are the most likely to put a lot of time and effort into worldbuilding and hence more likely to try and show as much of that world as possible. Which is understandable, but should always be tempered by the necessities of the narrative. No matter how cool he is, if Tom Bombadil doesn't help the Fellowship in a vital and material way, he's just making the book longer and that's not a good thing.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:16 No.13424942
    Man, if I was even slightly well known or aspiring to become so I wouldn't want it known that I frequent 4chan.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:18 No.13424964

    Checked out your blog, nothing seemed offensive until "HOLY FUCKING SHIT I'M A NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLING AUTHOR!" Congrats on being ahead of What's his faces completions of Robert Jordan's never ending monstrosity of a story. Shit started to suck around book five maybe. I gave up on it when I realized he was only going to pursue the most boring story lines and stereotyped characters. I'm probably a heretic for saying it, but the series has gone on way too long.

    Captcha: art heitic
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:18 No.13424965

    God damnit, this is awesome.
    >> LogicNinja !AZlS3./ex. 01/06/11(Thu)22:19 No.13424976
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    >Scott Lynch
    >posting on /tg/

    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:20 No.13425001
    In all honesty, I loathe doing signings. I do, like, the bare minimum, when my publisher practically begs. Getting me to Games Day requires some intense pleading months beforehand. I usually only go because Katie loves them.

    But yeah,um, I do Black Library Live in Nottingham, I do Games Day, and I was in Chicago for Adepticon (best weekend ever) last year. The 40K Radio guys can fucking drink, I swear.

    I can sign jazz easily enough if you send it to me, though you will earn my eternal ire. I think going through BL is what you're supposed to do, but I'm still pretty new to this.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:20 No.13425004
    I kind of agree (although fuck you LOTR is a great story). No offense to you guys actually writing grand multi-volume fantasy stories, but I hate that it's become the standard. Even if you've become attached to the setting and/or characters, multiple stand-alone novels in a shared setting are far superior IMO.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:21 No.13425009
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    Silmarillion was awesome in a faux-bible way.
    But yes Tolkien was really more of a world-builder at heart.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:21 No.13425010

    I don't hide it. Most people only know 4chan and Anonymous because of the Assange Wikileaks thing, but I just point out that Anonymous also tracked down that bitch who threw a cat in the bin, as well as like a dozen other animal abusers.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:22 No.13425020
    SO, to you awesome authors in this thread.

    What /tg/ related stuff do you do, anyway?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:22 No.13425021
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    >this thread
    >my dreams have been fulfilled by people who pursue the same time wasting activities I do
    >hope for me yet.jpeg
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:22 No.13425023
    Speaking of ADB's blog:

    I remember not too long ago, a comic writer wandered onto /co/ and saw one of his books being storytimed. He was upset at first, then struck up a conversation, wound up being a good thread. Couple days later, he blogs that his sales have gone WAY FUCKING UP since being on 4chan.

    I'll be curious if ADB and Mr. Lynch have similar spikes suddenly? Except they aren't selling their books themselves so maybe they wouldn't know.

    >I can sign jazz easily enough if you send it to me, though you will earn my eternal ire. I think going through BL is what you're supposed to do, but I'm still pretty new to this.

    Whoops. You can ignore that message I sent you on Facebook then, I guess.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:23 No.13425038
    Mr. Lynch, how come i've never heard of you before?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:23 No.13425039

    BL aren't fans of stuff like the amount I say fuck when ragging on Star Trek, or that I wanted to join COBRA and be a terrorist, or the pictures of Cammy White's ass, etc.

    I had a choice to either play nice with my blog, or keep it as it was, and be unlinkable. One of those "this choice is no choice at all" moments.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:23 No.13425041
    Unlike you, Anon, they have talent.

    You've pretty much got one option, here, and that's to kill them and drink their talent from their departing souls.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:24 No.13425044

    I'm telling you, sell signed copies on /tg/, even folk who otherwise don't give a fuck would buy a special /tg/ version of a book from a known author.

    I don't know if this is unethical but put a small mark-up on it, designated for the holiday fund.

    Can't believe I had not asked this before, but do you play table top, ABD?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:24 No.13425045

    >I can sign jazz easily enough if you send it to me, though you will earn my eternal ire.

    Oh, okay :(
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:24 No.13425046

    Again, hence Pratchett being superior. His early stuff suffered a little from it, but those were more obvious parodies of fantasy than actually serious books themselves. Later ones become more developed and flesh out the setting while still being functional, and high-quality, narratives.

    Of course, it takes thirty books and twenty years but the end result is one of the most vivid, believable and popular fantasy worlds ever. So make of that what you will.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:24 No.13425050
    Probably because you don't follow the /tg/ book recommendation threads.
    >> LogicNinja !AZlS3./ex. 01/06/11(Thu)22:24 No.13425054
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    Because you didn't read THE LIES OF LOCKE LAMORA even though I told you to like 50 times, Anonymous.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:25 No.13425059
    Not this guy, but I'm specifically curious whether actual authors play RPGs. Writing and roleplaying share the same kind of headspace, so maybe they complement each other, or would writing a campaign for a few friends just make you resent the time/ideas wasted that you could have put into books to pay the rent?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:26 No.13425068

    Anxiety, depression, terrible panic attacks, and a recent divorce have kinda derailed things. Don't worry, getting therapy now and work on the manuscript has resumed. I won't leave you guys hanging.
    >> LogicNinja !AZlS3./ex. 01/06/11(Thu)22:26 No.13425071
    >Not this guy, but I'm specifically curious whether actual authors play RPGs.
    Of course they do. Matt Stover (read HEROES DIE, Anon), Jim Butcher, a bunch of others. Shit, there's a big overlap between the "writes novels for WotC" and the "does game product stuff for WotC" crowds.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:26 No.13425072
    It wasn't Ellis, was it? That fucker DEFINITELY knows about 4chan but I'm not sure whether he spends much time on it. I wouldn't be surprised, though.


    >Highlander With Fantasy Authors

    I am surprisingly okay with this.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:26 No.13425074
    do you ever think to yourself "wow, my last name is synonymous with a vicious hate crime"?
    >> LogicNinja !AZlS3./ex. 01/06/11(Thu)22:27 No.13425082
    >Anxiety, depression, terrible panic attacks,
    Oh, well, uh, that's, yeah, I--

    >and a recent divorce have kinda derailed things.
    Well, shit, now I feel bad. Uh. Take your time. Just looking forward to meeting Sabetha, is all.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:28 No.13425089

    Yeah, I get that a lot. But then, my family are insistent that I keep the family name. Apparently the New Hampshire Holocausts have some vast and storied history but WHATEVER
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:29 No.13425092

    According to Wiki, ADB was a big player in developing one of the predecessors to Changeling: The Lost.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:29 No.13425096
    I'm on to steal character art for my D&D campaign, and for something to do while my newly-glued 5-man Black Legion squad dry. I'm on here a lot, and I post a bunch, but never in BL topics.

    Even when they rag on an author I hate. God, that's tempting, then.

    Sort of. I've played Necromunda and Gorkamorka on and off since... forever... because I paint slow as hell, and they have great backgrounds as well as tiny gangs.

    I'm sort of (badly) organising a storylined 40K campaign with 8 of my chums and guildies (don't laugh), though it's slow going because I'm not the only one that paints slow, and Katie has no idea what colours she wants her Chapter to be.

    I wrote them into Helsreach for her (ah, young love) and she's still not sure what colours to make them.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:31 No.13425113
    >I'm on here a lot, and I post a bunch
    That shit's bad for you, you know.
    It's like the mental equivalent of smoking.

    >Even when they rag on an author I hate. God, that's tempting, then.
    You should suggest that their work be turned into a comic illustrated by Greg Land and Rob Liefeld.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:32 No.13425126
    >I'm on to steal character art for my D&D campaign, and for something to do while my newly-glued 5-man Black Legion squad dry. I'm on here a lot, and I post a bunch,
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:32 No.13425127
    If it makes you feel better, I have no idea who you are and you'd have to hold my wife hostage before I'd read any RPG-based novels. I'd rather read William Hope Hodgson romances. :D
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:33 No.13425131

    I'm at the "selling them at conventions" stage of distribution, so unless you're at the same cons as me it's unlikely. But thanks.

    I'm trying to sort out an online thing that doesn't shaft me royally, but until then the only way you're likely to get hands on something is why my local Travelling Man starts stocking them. Which (all going well) will happen in March.

    Leeds, England. The title of the first comic is "The River Tithe",
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:33 No.13425133
    Bah! The anonymous have no need for professionality! Excoriate those inferior authors, I say!
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:33 No.13425137
    >implying those are still around or that they happened much outside of summer
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:33 No.13425138
    If you got time to tell us, it'd love to here about this DnD campaign.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:33 No.13425141
    I think if you took a sampling of fantasy authors, over 80% would say that they are former GMs who either wanted more complex stories or more pliable PCs. While I don't do that near as much as I used to, tabletop will always hold a dear place in my heart. Basically the genesis of everything I do.

    Well, it's been fun. Catch you gents on the flipside.

    - Scott
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:34 No.13425148
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    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:34 No.13425151
    >my newly-glued 5-man Black Legion

    That reminds me. You mentioned once that you'd like to write Black Legion novels after the Night Lords stuff is done. Do you know if Black Library will let you do that? At first I thought they might one of their more experienced writers to tackle a character as important as Abaddon. But they seem to be liking you, giving you Horus Heresy assignments and such. So any word yet?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:34 No.13425154
    So what reaction would someone in BL get for bringing up the Sensei?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:34 No.13425156
    Do a free webcomic to lure people in and then smack them with the merchandise when you have a following. Idiots love branding themselves: just look at MSPaint Adventures.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:35 No.13425162
    We've had a fucking flood of them recently. Maybe you're not on when the guys who post them are on, but trust me, they're alive and well.

    And then Locke's player is like, "Fuck this Grey King shit. We kill some people, take their stuff, and leave town."
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:35 No.13425168
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    And this thread is already pointing me in the right direction to their houses!
    >> Shy Guardsman 01/06/11(Thu)22:36 No.13425172
    Okay, since there are some pros here, I have to ask. I just have to, and I'm sorry for it.

    Have you read any of the writefagging that goes on here? If so, what are your professional opinions on them?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:37 No.13425183
    If Addaderp is written by a /tg/er....
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:37 No.13425187
    >Have you read any of the writefagging that goes on here? If so, what are your professional opinions on them?
    Don't do that, dude. You're putting them in the position of either being a liar or being a dick.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:38 No.13425199
    You're assuming they're all terrible then. Slim chance, but some could actually be good.
    >> Cluemaster !!j2UTMl/Pr/O 01/06/11(Thu)22:39 No.13425218
    I certainly wouldn't want any of my favorite writers to see my stuff when I'm only an aspiring writer, no matter how good it was. Can't possibly end well, man.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:40 No.13425228
    I'm not a professional writer and I can tell you straight away that most of it is shit.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:40 No.13425229
    Scheduling clash. I basically had to pick between doing Grey Knights or Abaddon/Black Legion first. Figured it would be better to do 1 Imperial series and 1 Chaos series at a time, rather than Chaos, Chaos, Chaos.

    Plus, I write sloooowwwwwww. That's where the problems come in. The average novel deadline is 4 months. The First Heretic took me 10. Helsreach took 9.

    I'm also wary because although Abaddon is in dire need of some actual credence to show his thematic role as the antichrist of 40K (rather than an armless fucknut fuelled by failure), I'm also trying to play Black Legion in tabletop, and I loathe that retarded "He made them the best ion his novel because he plays them" crap that sometimes gets spouted by tossers online.

    I stutter like a scared 8-year-old in Horus Heresy meetings, anyway. Suggesting that in front of the IP manager would get me crucified on the Aquila outside the building.

    Those threads aren't exactly our best work, no.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:42 No.13425239
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    Hey Dembski,

    My Big E and Horus models don't agree about much...but they do agree you should fucking write the Siege of Terra. Drug Abnett and take it from him!
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:42 No.13425241
    question: how do you write? pen on paper? typing? and how do you deal with horrible, horrible nerve damage in your hands.
    >> Shy Guardsman 01/06/11(Thu)22:42 No.13425243
    Actually, what I'm hoping for is blunt honesty, especially if it applies to my own work. The only way I'm going to get better is if people tell me what I'm doing wrong. If I can get a general sense of if my writing style needs further polishing before attempting something serious, then I know I need to work harder to clean it up.

    There's nothing WRONG with saying "Yeah, they're not so good on a professional scale." Does that make them any less enjoyable? Fuck no! But there are a LOT of writefags besides myself here, some far better than me. If even one of them gets a good word, it will make their day. Or if they can learn how to improve, always a good thing because it makes the stories posted EVEN BETTER.

    That said, if it makes them uncomfortable, then they can always not respond, or say that they don't wish to answer. I'll consider that fair.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:43 No.13425259
    >Those threads aren't exactly our best work, no.
    So why do we keep posting in them?

    And can you, like, send ninjas after the people who do that? Professional authors get ninjas, right?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:43 No.13425262

    A possibility. Neither of us are very technical, though, so we'd need help in that department. If the single we're releasing soon goes well, we're talking about a serial that might make a good webcomic.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:44 No.13425268
    Soooo...IDK if you can say, butt...

    Are we every going to find out about the Emperors shady bussiness?

    I mean, more and more it seems shit is going down. In a Thousands Son wasn't it talking about his deal with the Chaos Gods?

    Also, I know you might not be able to say, but I wonder if you've ever leaked future fluff onto /tg/...
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:45 No.13425278
    >I'm also trying to play Black Legion in tabletop, and I loathe that retarded "He made them the best ion his novel because he plays them" crap that sometimes gets spouted by tossers online.

    I think a lot of those tossers assume you play Night Lords, so that's no surprise. Me, I'd rather the Black Legion be written by a guy who cares about them enough to spend hours painting them... but I see your point. I'm looking forward to the Grey Knights, then. Think you'll write another audio for the GK? Throne of Lies was pretty enjoyable. Not perfect, but I'm glad I bought it.

    Especially since I bought it on your birthday. Not sure how much money you got per sale, but it seemed like a way to support you all the same.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:47 No.13425294
    So have you accepted Rowboat as your personal saviour?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:47 No.13425295

    Okay, last post before I'm done for the night. For serious this time.

    Personally I like some of the writing here, especially the collaborative settings. The one where the Emperor creates an impossibly enormous spaceship that holds the entire galaxy and travels between the cosmos was interesting, as was the one about a society perpetually in freefall in some kind of massive bottomless pit. Those come to mind but honestly there's some good stuff here.

    Is everything posted here good? No. Is everything posted here bad? No. There's a bell-curve, just like with most everything else. And part of the reason I come here to to partake in what you guys come up with.

    Done for the Night,

    - Scott
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:47 No.13425296
    I always type. I write freehand so slowly that it's an exercise in frustration when your words don't keep up with your head. It's like driving behind a really old person when you have somewhere to be.

    I think there'll be room to squeeze a few of us into the siege.

    I'm not really an editor, so my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's here. I try not to read much of anything that could be considered fanfic (in the general sense, not the insulting one), because you never know when someone will claim you ripped it off, whether you've heard of it or not.

    The stuff I like usually features CAPS LOCK and dreadnoughts. I fucking love Bjorn being woken up to tell stories, and I was pretty keen on the Reasonable Marines story when the Imperium came to test their gene-seed.
    >> Shy Guardsman 01/06/11(Thu)22:50 No.13425321
    Thank you both for your honesty.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:51 No.13425327

    That's a real shame about the Sensei. For that matter, how about some love for Cipher? I heard dual wieldan was all the rage with the kids these days.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:51 No.13425334

    >The stuff I like features CAPSLOCK

    You realise you have the power to make the Angry Marines canon, right?

    At least try to slip Commisar Fuklaw in there. Go on, you know you want to.
    >> Deathleaper's Fangirl !!YD/t8+iuFvd 01/06/11(Thu)22:52 No.13425336
    It's a bit of a long shot, but I've a question.

    Are there any plans floating around the Black Library for some more Xenos-centric fiction? Specifically Eldar-related? Gav's Path of the Warrior was fantastic, and Mistress Baela's Gift was a delicious little tale of Commoragh. So there seems to be at least some motivation to write it, and write it well. But is there any more other than the sequals to Path of the Warrior in the planning?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:52 No.13425343
    You can learn to run a website if you're serious about getting your work out there. And have that going while you're doing the convention circuit as well.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:52 No.13425344
    >If not, my work may just be in your local library. As a man who didn't grow up wealthy and had a love of books, I would take no offense if you did the latter.
    You're awesome, just sayin'. As mediafire is the modern library: http://www.mediafire.com/?wlm0apqqgjc4au7

    I'd tell most authors I know who came on /tg/ that, but really, you, Patrick Rothfuss, and Peter V. Brett are basically my favorites in the last few years' fantasy authors. I await all your next novels with much impatience and check your sites every couple months to see if there's news.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:53 No.13425355

    On a related note, the Fire Warrior tie-in novel was actually a lot better than the game.

    Just saying.

    >recommend Gaggen

    I don't know, captcha. I wouldn't say the game was nauseatingly bad, but it was a pretty mediocre shooter.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:54 No.13425358
    Have you ever asked the BL dudes why they don't get good writers to work on the fantasy property? It might sell if they did that.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:54 No.13425366
    Yeah, I have a question, too.
    Will we ever get a 40K novel that passes the Bechdel test?

    Heh, heh, heh. I'm just kidding. We all know better.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:55 No.13425374

    >I think there'll be room to squeeze a few of us into the siege.

    Well, your representation of the Big E has been one of the better ones so far...hopefully you guys tease out a bit on why the most powerful psyker in the history of mankind...could fuck up being a parent ;).
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:56 No.13425382
    PRO TIP: there is no such thing as a parent who does not fuck it up every now and then.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:56 No.13425383

    That is the truth. I still remember spending the night at my grandparents house, reading Fire Warrior until the wee hours feeling really creeped out, but I can't remember what so disturbed me about it.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:57 No.13425388
    There must have been a Sisters novel at some point surely?
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    MFW ADB is on fucking 4chan.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:57 No.13425392
    Didn't Titanicus pass the Bechdel test? I haven't read THAT much Black Library but I'm sure others have passed somewhere in their pages.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:57 No.13425395

    True. On the other hand, an ex-boss of mine is an IT guru and owes me a favour for working for her. Maybe she could do the set up while I learn how to maintain it.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:57 No.13425396

    I bet Ward's mucking about here too.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)22:58 No.13425397
    Alien stuff is tricky. Space Marines sell, and they actually sell very well as sci-fi novels go. BL has, in the past, been very cautious about xenos jazz. That's thawing a lot now, though. But even a few years ago, I said "I want to write an eldar novel" and the answer was "No, Gav is doing one."

    And yeah, Path of the Warrior is a trilogy, I think.

    Throne of Lies. Hm. I describe it like this:

    "I'm... proud of it. But you can tell I'd never done audio before. It reviews well, and I like the end result, but at several points I just do this painful full-body tense at certain lines that really weren't written to be spoken aloud. In prose, they read fine. Out loud, it's a bit purple."

    It was fun, though.

    And in all honesty, ta for picking it up, especially on my birthday. That's sort of awesome.

    I'd love to, but take that a step further and look at the end result. /tg/ would fill up with people annoyed that I'd used the idea / used it in a bad way / wasn't the author they'd wanted to use it, etc. Joking aside, fucking with /tg/ canon is like pissing on sacred ground. There's a Vindicare assassin in my Grey Knights novel, and for ages I was thinking "LIIVI... Just call him LIIVI..."

    But that'd be blasphemy.

    That said, I do have an idea for how to show the Angry Marines. Subtle, like. Plausible deniability is key.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:00 No.13425421

    As a parent, right o I agree.....but there is a distinct difference between letting your kid play the Wii a bit too much...and watching your son commune with the dark 4 Chaos Powers....then commencing a galaxy wide genocide.

    And I'm not even the most powerful psyker in history, all I did was read a few books..and my son still hasn't done that (that I know of).
    >> Deathleaper's Fangirl !!YD/t8+iuFvd 01/06/11(Thu)23:00 No.13425424
    >BL has, in the past, been very cautious about xenos jazz. That's thawing a lot now, though.

    Oh, now that's a bit of good news. Thank you very much!
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:00 No.13425426
    How was the initial publishing process? And the editing?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:01 No.13425445
    In the future you could do a big battle with SM and have a line like "Multiple chapters line up with many heradly, blah blah herdaly and the last, a yellow background with a symbol of rightous fury laid across it." Yeah, I know that sucked, but you get the idea. Either way, you're the author.

    TO BE FAIR, Dark Heresy made /tg/ fluff canon and everyone was REALLY happy about that, they still seem to be using it now.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:02 No.13425447

    >I bet Ward's mucking about here too.

    ..and I bet he's sitting in his Ultramarine underwear while UltraMarines plays in the background and his Calgar model sits on his computer overseeing his internet usage.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:02 No.13425450
    I think my Grey Knight novel might, actually. I don't say that out of desperate shitty advertising, but I tend to have higher ratios of:

    a) Females
    b) People who dare to have different skin colours to peachy-white.

    ...in my stuff.

    I have no idea, but I know Nathan Long does pretty well, fanbase-wise. And Dan's done some WHF jazz, too. They ask me a lot, which is sort of flattering. It always goes like this:

    "Can we interest you in Warhammer Fantasy?"
    "Can I do a love story between Orion and Ariel?"
    "Then no, you can't interest me in Warhammer Fantasy."
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:03 No.13425465

    >you never know when someone will claim you ripped it off, whether you've heard of it or not.

    I feel that. I sometimes come on /tg/ and post ideas for settings but instantly realise that I probably shouldn't have because it means I run the risk of someone stealing them and using them in some fiction or something.

    I kind of like to think most people operate on the "don't be a dick" principle, but this IS the internet.


    >"Call him LIIVI..."

    Have him be called LII-6 (pronounced "Lee-Six")
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:03 No.13425466
    >b) People who dare to have different skin colours to peachy-white.
    I dunno, man. That sounds an awful lot like heresy.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:06 No.13425487
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    Could be Salamanders.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:07 No.13425498

    What about people of the bi/homosexual persuasion? As fa/tg/got I always feel a little left out by predominantly heteronormative fantasy and sci-fi. It's either creepy-ass shit or sparkly pretty boy bullshit. Never anything well written or believable.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:10 No.13425523
    >"Then no, you can't interest me in Warhammer Fantasy."

    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:11 No.13425551
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    Soh hwee heer hyu chan maek Khan-on.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:12 No.13425558

    Oh man, I remember reading one fantasy book I found really offensive to gays, but done in a kind of throwaway manner. Trudi Canavan's Magician's Apprentice series, IIRC. One of the characters, a shit hot healer wizard, is in the habit of constantly healing himself to keep himself perky and fresh (like magic coffee). When he stops, to conserve power, he begins to feel lust to his exotic male travelling companion.

    He was literally healing himself straight. Make of THAT what you will, but I call it bullshit. I mean, sure he ends up pretty happy in a relationship with said dusky-skinned buddy, but that doesn't change the fact that he was healing away the gay.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:13 No.13425566
    I court heresy. I moved to the middle of Bumblefuck, Nowhere, in rural N. Ireland. I'm getting married in the summer, and one of the groomsmen is Indian, while another is gay. Coming from London, that means absolutely nothing. Over here, there's a real chance Katie's granny will turn to stone and catch fire. She can barely believe we're not having the damn thing in a church.

    People are weird.

    The problem with that is that in primarily Space Marine fiction, the characters are absolutely sexless anyway, in every way you slice the word. So that limits the number of characters you have on hand, for a start. Then there's the fact most won't survive the book, or be in love/have sex over the course of it, because In The Grimdark Of The Blah Blah, There Is Only Blah. So choices are limited.

    But yeah, that's the kind of thing that I think a lot of Fantasy and Sci-Fi lacks, which tends to jar me a little. It's always something I tell myself to bear in mind, then never find a natural place for it - and inserting it just to be cosmopolitan is the biggest kind of dickery.

    But you're right, I'll bear it in mind. For a while, I was fairly sure two of Grimaldus's inner circle were gay in Helsreach, but they were too sexless and removed from humanity for that to mean anything of any real worth.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:13 No.13425575
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    That reminds me. General question, /tg/. Is this good? I like Abnett's 40k work, and honestly I prefer Warhammer to 40k. So I'm perfectly willing to buy this on blind faith, but if anyone's read the contents I'd love to hear opinions.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:15 No.13425586

    A) Congratulations!
    B) Oh hey, my Dad's from N. Ireland. Whereabouts?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:17 No.13425606

    That's.. already kind of canon, I guess? Remember she's based off of the cultists from DoW. So putting in SUM-WAHN HOO TAWKS LIKE THEEES and KAPCHOORS things FOR KAY-OHS might get passed over as a reference to the game rather than /tg/
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:17 No.13425608
    >I court heresy. I moved to the middle of Bumblefuck, Nowhere, in rural N. Ireland.
    Oh, god, why would you do that?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:18 No.13425617
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:19 No.13425631

    Part of that really intrigued me, they idea that you had a conception of the characters that was mutable in ways unrelated to the narrative, the idea that you had a hunch about the characters outside of the exigencies of the story. This is something I have wrestled with as a DM. I really want the NPC's to feel like real people who have walked in on the party's adventure. Do you have advice on how to do that sort of character development?

    I hope I'm not derailing with a srs question.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:19 No.13425632
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    Writing and currently perusing an English degree. But with no desire to teach I have no idea what I'm going to do to make money but it's the only real skill I have. If I were more gifted when it comes to math I'd be doing Engineering or something but I guess I'm destined to be starving.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:21 No.13425647

    Oh please. Everyone knows that authorial talent lies in the cerebro-spinal fluid.
    >> Shy Guardsman 01/06/11(Thu)23:24 No.13425677
    And that's why I'm no longer invited to parties.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:24 No.13425688

    I'm a English graduate too and let me tell you something - Marketing and Advertising companies love us. Get yourself a position as a copywriter.

    You'll also be shit hot for administrative jobs - you can probably read and type twice as fast as the average person, and just having a degree of ANY type will earn you a couple thousand extra on average for a starting career.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:25 No.13425690

    Become a pencil pusher by day, freelance writer by night. Alternatively, become a military officer and apply your unappreciated degree in a field unrelated to your education. Get decent pay and a little social capital, as well as managerial skills that might get you a good job down the line with time to write. If unemployment is 5% for degree holders, imagine what it is for degree holders with that kind of experience.

    Warning: Could require lissome morals and will require a commitment to physical fitness.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:26 No.13425703
    Fell in love.

    One of the unmappable, teeny-ass hamlets outside of Enniskillen. Beautiful countryside, writer's retreat, absolutely lethal in winter. All that good stuff.

    Sounds like you kinda already are. It's just one of those things, I think. When you write something longer than a few hundred words, the characters always do weird shit that you didn't expect, while the flip side is that you feel something about them that may not be coming across in what you're writing. (Sexuality in sci-fi war literature is often, unfortunately, part of the latter.)

    But to actually answer your question, I reckon (read: guess) it's a matter of familiarity. It's the kind of thing that just ends up gestating from writing a lot about a small group of people. Strands start to spin out from the main thread like that. It's a bitch to do in DMing, so I know what you mean. There's often not enough time to establish it outside of recurring villains, etc.

    Captcha: Chasted Molecular.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:29 No.13425723
    This thread is making me want to write again. I haven't written anything since I was a kid, suppose I'll have to dust off the ol' imagination.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:31 No.13425744
    I know how you feel.

    I wrote a little something for the Great Crusade's contest after hearing about it on ADB's blog, but I only found out about it the night before. So I only had a day to do all my research and bang it out. It's pretty damn shitty I'm afraid. But it felt good to write again; I haven't written anything in a while. DMing kind of scratches the itch, but it's not the same at all, not really.
    >> Tarnished !I5LdJofSDA 01/06/11(Thu)23:32 No.13425747
    Ye gods... Yea, I've been having trouble getting motivated enough to put my work down on paper lately, but this thread makes me feel like there's still hope. Damn you thread I was this close to giving up!
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:32 No.13425752

    Oh, and publishers will like you. Your English degree says "I LOVE BOOKS" and that makes you a desirable candidate for the publishing field, much more than an engineering degree.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:39 No.13425813
    Aspiring writer here.

    Taking my first actual creative writing class in college at the moment.

    Prior to this, I'd just been entering short story contest after short story contest, reading as much as I could, and always stealing, stealing, stealing.

    Course, I've never won any, and while that admittedly brings disappointment, cliched as it is I feel like I'm honing a craft.

    Do I enjoy writing? Hell yes I do. Would I like to make a living out of it? Damn straight. Is it any good? Well. That's the thing, isn't it. Improvement never stops, no, but I wonder if there is a point where I should just put down the pen.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:39 No.13425817
    Quoted for truth. After my degree, the people scattered to either become teachers or publishing types. One of these demographics is much happier, and much richer, than the other. It will not be hard to guess which, I reckon.

    And on that note, I have to crash. I lost track of time, and I need to drive Katie to work in... uh... 3 hours.

    Thanks for not calling me a cunt, /tg/. I'll go back to being anonymous tomorrow, mainly because I like 4E and it's safer to be hidden.

    It... it brought back the feeling I had back with the Red Box... DON'T JUDGE ME.

    Later, gang.
    >> Tarnished !I5LdJofSDA 01/06/11(Thu)23:43 No.13425856
    Been great having you here, friend.
    Also, archive this shit.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:45 No.13425877
    'Preciate a successful writefag showing up here on our humble little imageboard. Take it easy.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/11(Thu)23:48 No.13425893
    Never give up hope! I'm gonna start reading my Gaunt's Ghosts novels again tonight, think up a short story tomorrow maybe.
    >> Tarnished !I5LdJofSDA 01/06/11(Thu)23:50 No.13425927
    Haven't even chosen my college degree. But, no, haven't lost hope yet. I might actually get an English degree, my verbal skills have always been better than anything else. And I GM.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/11(Fri)01:06 No.13426622
    Thanks for the advice. For me being creative wasn't the problem it's a matter of staying out of debt long enough so that I could have to freedom to do so.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/11(Fri)01:39 No.13426976
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    Heresy, you say?
    >> Anonymous 01/07/11(Fri)01:43 No.13427028
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    I know you've probably left the thread already, but to any anon with a similar stance: You're a fucking quitter. Just sayin'.
    >> BRIAN 01/07/11(Fri)03:17 No.13427835
    Project Manager of Content Development in the gaming Industry, currently looking for a new gig.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/11(Fri)03:24 No.13427888
    I'm writing a cyberpunk novel.

    We'll see if I even get published.

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