The naturally grown food in the cavern can support up to a million people.

Shortly thereafter, they encounter the first Drow in the tunnels outside their city. Hitler has decided they are an inferior race to be exterminated.

The Drow are told by Lloth that the Nazi's are a great danger, and they are to be exterminated, by any means necessary, by her order.

At this point in the timeline, Drizzt has only just been born.

Battle of the racists: Will the Nazi soldiers triumph, or will the Drow remain the racist rulers of the underdark uncontested?

BRITAIN WINS AGAIN

>>9922008
W T F?

For information purposes, the Nazis have the following spellcasters:

They have the following:
Four lvl. 8 Mages.
Eight lvl 7 Mages.
Twelve lvl 6 Mages.
Sixteen lvl 5 Mages.
Thirty Level 4 Mages.
Fourty level 3 Mages.
Fifty level 2 Mages.
Sixty level 1 Mages.

Blame the fast acceleration of levels on having a really good book and also drawing out the best minds in Germany, along with some unethical shortcuts.

OH LAWDY, THIS IDEA IS DILDOS!

DILDOS MADE OF SOLID WIN!

Epic shit!

Well, guns beats swords last time i checked... Well, except from magical swords... Shit is hard...

you say they cleared out the native dragons, so why would the drow be any harder? they know magic, plus have armor and artillery, on top of fully automatic firearms. any enemy spellcasters would be easily picked off by sniping, warbeasts would promplty eat 88mm shells, and infantry would get mowed down by machinegun nests.

it may not be FLAWLESS VICTORY, but i'd say the nazis have a pretty massive edge

I don't think humans are optimized for permanent cavern life. Also - no factories of hi-tech weapon systems.

I'll go with Drow.

drowtales.png
DROW WIN HURFDURF

NAZI FORTRESS!

Heinrich Bergmann cancels store item in furnace, interrupted by Drow.

By the way, something I wrote up when I originally conceived of the idea.

*Umber Hulk bursts through a wall*
Es ist ein Insekt Ungeheuer!

Ach! Es getötet Franz! Es ist zu verbergen ist immun gegen Kugeln! Feuer! Feuer!

Gehen Sie für die Augen, Hans! Gehen Sie für die Augen!
*Umber Hulk falls down dead, it's brain full of bullets*

Oh hey, gearbeitet,. Nun, ich erinnere mich, dass wir, wenn wir jemals in eines dieser erneut auszuführen.

>>9921994
GERMANS vs the Drow?

Tear gas, artillery, MACHINE GUNS, grenades, and MAGIC?

Can you imagine the bloodbath?

with no supply chain that ammo is worth it's weight in platinum

this is bunk, everyone knows where the Nazis really went after 1945.

>>9922088
They cleared out the dragons when they had the full power of Nazi Germany at their backs.

Right now, there's just 10,000 of them. They have factories to make sure they don't run out of stuff, but that's all they've got, their stores aside.

Also, fighting in the underdark itself is different than fighting in a single gigantic cavern. It's close quarters - just what melee using drow would need.

Also, the Nazi's may have magic, but they aren't used to using it yet - and at least one scouting party will probably get slaughtered by an ambush from invisible drow warriors at some point.

Not to mention, it's hard to aim a gun with a globe of darkness covering your face - or flashlight.

You've put a lot of thought into this, haven't you?

Can the Nazi have a corp of men trained like Kronen in the Hellboy movie? Imagine that guys under the effects of a haste spell!

Does Prot. from Normal Missiles stop bullets?

Even if it doesn't, the Drow would rape the Nazis. They've got shittons of spellcasters, can see in the dark, familiarity with the terrain, and a goddess on their side.

Gun blasts would blind anyone firing them, not to mention deafening them in an enclosed space. Poisoned crossbow quarrels would be more effective and stealthy, and every bit as lethal.

In close confines, the Drow's proficiency with melee combat would be a huge advantage.

Tl: DR; Nazis get raped.

>>9922116

Loling so hard right now. Babelfish German is the best German.

>>9922186
Their population consists primarily of the elite of Germany - their best scientists, their best soldiers, and their families.

Some are trained in magic, but as this starts they haven't really got integrated magical "combined arms tactics" other than putting mages in with patrols and squads on missions of importance.

The Drow probably wouldn't launch a frontal assault; they'd just divert a vent of poisonous gas into the Nazi cavern. Which I guess could be considered ironic?

sup cypress_z

>>9922191
hahahah drowtales.

We all know the truth: The drow would manipulate the nazis topside, and then let them exterminate the rest of the world save about a third of humanity. Then the Drow kill what's left.

WORLD OF NOTHING BUT DROW, THANKS TO HITLER.

>>9922191
>can see in the dark
Fixed that for you! Flash supressors are as old as guns themselves, too. Germans had the ability to put nightvision on most of their tanks, too. Plus, the Nazis have spellcasters already, and they already cleared the Dragons. Soo...Drow aren't going to be much of a problem.

>>9922191
No. It does in D20 modern, but FUCK D20 modern.

Anyway, remember that each time a rifle is fired, there is a blinding (for the drow) flash of light and a loud noise. Every gunshot is almost a flashbang.

Speaking of which, the nazis will have flashbangs too.

They'll also have poison gas of their own, since
>>9922265
Brought it up - and they have gasmasks.

They also have first generation low light vision goggles.

Nazi's would be best to try to make it to the surface asap. Underdark is not good for humans anyways... especially ones from the 1940's.

Horses freak out under the cacophony of gunfire.

Elves have superior hearing, and eyes more sensitive than light.

ALL of the drow would be permanently blind 10 minutes into the engagement, I wager, as well as nearly deaf and oh so terrified.

>>9922275
Sup. Now back to being anonymous.

Nazis have Darkvision AND guns.
In fact, their Darkvision is PART of their guns.

>>9922322

>light sensitivity

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Drow are screwed

First step: Pave the place.

We're Humans, we don't give a flying fuck about nature. If it's in the way we'll shoot it and pave it over.

It's only the Elfs who are stupid enough to not kill everything and reengineer their enviroment into a place that's actually habitable.

Hell, they could just put reflective cones on the end of their guns. Directs the flash away from the firer, at the targets. Blind them, and the next guy can sight based on the stop-motion light up he saw.

>>9922425
Drilling is an entirely viable option. It has logistical issues, but it IS valid.

If the Nazis manage to build a road straight to Menzo through the underdark, resupply of their forward units will be effortless, and I have no doubt they will win.

However, if the drow can maintain guerrilla attacks of sufficient strength and regularity that the nazis are unable to complete strong supply lines, the Drow can start attacking their city cavern and may possibly win.

>Nazis with magic
>Animate dead
>Nazi Zombies
>My face

>>9922530
horribe movie though, sadly.

What are the Mind Flayers doing at this point? I think the whole thing depends on with whom they ally.

Do they have access to vitamin D, u'know cause of being underground and not therefore seeing the sun

>>9922441

That would could temporarily blind/deafen a human (underground/dark setting). Drow's increased senses would be their downfall there.

I can not see the Drow winning this.

Nazi's are smart, dangerous, cunning and very very creative when it comes to the killing.

>>9922608

And efficient.

>>9922608
All of those can be said about the drow. Also, doesn't Menzobaramalamadingdong have like a billion people, most of whom are warriors, mages, and Clerics?

Also, Drow have Clerics. They win.

>>9922575
Op here. The other races are officially neutral, although either the Nazis or the Drow can sway them over to their side.

The Mind Flayers HAVE sent an "adviser" to hitler, however, so you can all have the incredibly cool mental image of an illithid in a nazi uniform.
>>9922584
You think about it too hard.

Look, humans survive in menzo without sunlight. Clearly, the mushrooms that give off light in the underdark also give off weak UV radiation. The nazis also have UV lamps.

Next is: Stalin discovers the Federation of Star Trek.

>>9922635
20,000 drow; but Menz's pop is 1mil with slaves counted.

Drow is babies.

>>9922659
Actually, I was going to do Teddy Roosevelt vs. Yuan-Ti.

>>9922648

Further advantage nazis.


Also the Nazis would be quite happy to do things like collapsing tunnels and using explosives against civilian populations. Take a man portable field gun on a long range mission to a position near the enemy city, shoot ceiling until it collapse, win.

>>9922608
not really, if you read history on World war two battles, the only really cunning commander was the Desert Fox. Most of Hitlers generals were just yes-men who just had tons of dumb luck during their campaign.

>>9922695

They were good at following plans, and the plans high command came up with were sound, considering that they were basically called up to do miraclework.

>>9922648
Illithid advisor? The Nazis have lost already. He's totally gonna betray them, enthrall Hitler, and eat Goebbels' brains!

>>9922724

Nazi high command was very clever. Hitler was the problem.

Many of their field commanders were also pretty smart too. Not tactical genius smart but tactically competent.

The Drow would have a hard time even understanding what is going on the first time blitzkrieg is used against them.

>>9922767
What are the Nazi's going to do against clerics though? Especially the High-priestess of Lolth.

Lack of clerics spells doom for the Nazis. Drow specialize in poison and with no antidotes or clerical magic to stop it, the Germans would be fucked. Between uber-stealthy, magic enhanced rogues poisoning the food supply and sabotaging the 'factories' and big ticket cloud-based poison attacks, it would take some serious effort on the Nazis part.

Darkvision sites don't work in magical darkness and that would be everywhere.

Now, if the German's reverted to their Norse background and they were playing 1st edition where Norse gods existed and could be worshipped, they might be okay.

>>9922759
And nothing of value was lost.

>>9922767
Blitzkrieg? How about repeatedly marching the same guys through the same tunnel system so that it appears as though you have 1000 men instead of 100. It worked on the Poles, so I don't see why it wouldn't work on the barely educated(To our standards) savages that live in that hole.

>>9922695
>implying Rommel was anywhere near Guderian-tier

>>9922791

Now we have the question.

Do things like gas masks work against magical poison clouds? Remember we have a lot of experience with chemical weapons too and the Nazis won't be stupid enough to leave their water supply unguarded.

The Drow in comparison to the Nazis are uneducated savages with obsolete warfare tactics. It would be like a middle ages army fighting a modern one. First time the Drow encounter a minefield would be hilarious though. Oh and barbed wire.

>>9922790
Why, shoot them in the face, of course.

Guns are NOT balanced for D&D, and most of the nazi soldiers would (if they were statted) probably be between levels five and eight, being WWII vets.

>>9922791
Assuming that they can sneak past the checkpoints on the tunnel entrances is definitely a big "if" - considering the huge spotlights trained on it and lack of places to hide, and considering the germans are likely to have guard dogs there as well - not to mention magical protections.

>>9922866

Heh minefield..."YOU SAID THERE WERE NO MAGICAL TRAPS!"

"THERE ARE NO MAGICAL TRAPS!"

"OH LOLTH MY LEGS!"

Nazi guards on the wall looking at the Drow rolling around in a minefield getting blown to pieces.

"Heh...those Drow are pretty stupid aren't they Hans?"

"Yes Fritz. Oh look one of them is waving his hands about to cast a spell hang on."

Hans shoots the Drow before he can finish casting.

"Heh those silly Drow"

>>9922866
I see no reason why they shouldn't. Now, things like clouds of acid, that might be different.

But one thing you all seem to be forgetting is demons.

The drow can summon them. The nazis cannot. Yet, anyway.

How do you all feel it'll go down when we have Yocholol attacking Nazi ranks?

>>9922872

Exactly. The tech edge and modern warfare experience edge is going to put the Drow in a bad spot.

These guys have experienced horrors the Drow can barely comprehend. Especially the trench warfare vets

>>9922866
I would say yes, poison clouds would be negated by gas masks. Don't forget that suits made for combat in those conditions also included suits that sealed the body off.
Also remember that one time when Italy invaded north Africa shortly before WW2, and blew the savages into smithereens? Swords versus modern tanks, artillery and rifles.

Drow are so fucked.

Ya know the Nazi's could get clerics.

A cleric doesn't have to be dedicated to a god. They can be dedicated to an ideal or something similar instead.

Nazism. What are its domains?

If the Drow can't effortlessly destroy normal Human empires, what makes you think they could take on technologically advanced humans.

>>9922963
All of them. For Nazism is superior to all other things.

>>9922957

The Drow wouldn't be a total pushover but overwhelming advantage Nazi's.

Especially once they start freeing human slaves and such. I imagine the Nazi Aryan race concept would quickly dissolve in the face of actual other races meaning they'd be more "humanity first"

>>9922963
Hatred. War. Genocide. Evil. Norse Gods.

-2 CON vs bullets

>>9922872

Invisibility trumps most of this, as do shadowdancers and dread commandos all that hidy, sneaky drow specialty gear. It is incredibly easy to bypass even the most sophisticated detection schemes with magic.

Spotlights powered by what electricity? Factories powered by steam? Not very efficient. Knock out whatever their power source is and they're in bad shape.

I'm not sure the drow ARE savages in comparison, but even if they are, that doesn't spell doom. Natives can be highly effective in hostile terrain, especially when you have a god on your side and contain your enemy.

The drows biggest problem really is betrayal by their own people, being the most back-stabbing race ever.

I love the idea of nazi driders though.

>>9922969
This a BILLION times this. After all those 1 million slaves the Drow capital hold probably dont like being slaves do they?

So, Nazi Fortress?

>>9923014

Light sensitivity is why, and this is moot underground. If Drow are such pushovers, why don't the humans invade and take all their huge amounts of wealth?

Because it's not that simple, that's why.

Ideologically the Nazis would not 'free' the slaves of the drow, just make them their own. Maybe after promising them freedom though. ;)

>>9922969

Magic? Clerics?

>>9922991

Remember the Nazi's will have magical defences on top of this and are likely to apply them in a way the Drow won't expect.

Remember the Nazi's were very pro-science. They'll tinker and fiddle until they understand how magic actually works. On the way they'll figure out new ways to use it.

Exploding runes direction signs that kill you if you are a Drow?

So, even when it's Nazis /tg/ is "FUCK YEAR HUMANITY!"?

If there's one thing I hate more than drow, it's nazis.

I vote 'both horribly killed by each other.'

The biggest danger is the Drow using the Nazi's as a rallying point for their usually fragmented society.

They would overwhelm the Nazi's.

But imagine a tank made with Adamantine?

If the Nazis are using WW2 era factories underground, why haven't they killed themselves with all the smog and noxious fumes they'd be producing?

>>9923058
I lulz at this. Its mostly because we want to kill that GIGANTIC FAGGOT Drizzt.

>>9923058

It's evil vs. evil. We chose the ones with snazzier weapons and superior dress sense.

>>9923058

I'd say especially when.

>>9923050

Its a bit hard to predict. The Nazis we know only knew of humans. These Nazis will actually be confronted with non-human races. There is no way of telling how they'll react ideologically to this revelation with any certainty. But my money is on them becoming "humanity first"

As for what the Nazism cleric domains are. I figured it out:

War Domain
Strength Domain
Law Domain
Knowledge Domain
Destruction Domain
Death Domain

>>9923085
That's a really good point. WW2 industry just doesn't work without a lot of fresh air to smog up.

Nazi's discover Adamantine.

They promptly make it part of their war machine resulting in super-light yet incredibly durable tanks, body armor, and machinery.

Now for the biggest question:
Nazis go and conquer fantasy land, by virtue of strange tactics and adaptability. Then, they make tanks out of adamantine, planes from Mithral, all shooting magical artillery cannons that could level an entire city.

Is OUR world fucked?

They're Nazis! They're not going to ally with non-aryan slaves. They'll just send them to work in the V2 factories.

The amount of nazi apologism in this thread is unpleasant.

>>9923085

Tough to say. The caverns in the underdark are huge and they'd no doubt figure out a way of dealing with the pollution using magic if it became a problem.

>>9923104

Forgot to mention. The Nazism favoured weapon is rifles. So the clerics who have the War domain would get bonuses to their shooting skill. Cleric snipers anyone?

>>9922191
bane would go damn these are some awesome motherfuckers, I will support their racism, and then the nazis have a god as well, and since there are no jews start exterminating magical races

>>9923085
This is very true but The Nazis have had years to prep the area for the arrival of what little heavy factories and shit they had after they got OMFG WTF pwned by the Sovs/MURRIKA. They dont have a lot of anything, not near enough to pollute the area to any great degree for a while.

Either way it would be super fun to run this, especially with two groups (one playing drow, one playing nazis).

>>9923092

The Nazis definitely have the edge on the snazzy uniform front, and some super kick-ass bards as well.

>>9923131

It depends how their ideology changes in the Underdark.

If they become even more obsessive over the Aryan race then our world is fucked.

If they instead adopt a "humanity is the best race" ideal system then we're not so fucked.
Mindflayers may well end up in the same position the Japs occupied in Nazi Germany as being "honorary humans"

Eh, the Drow would just figure out where the Nazi's were getting their coal and oil, and taint/ destroy the supplies.

Imagine burning coal that produced giant noxious clouds of fumes heavier than Oxygen?

>>9923159
How much air is around?

If it's remotely like realistic caverns, even the biggest ever, even one factory will quickly fill it up with smog.

>Imagine burning coal that produced giant noxious clouds of fumes...
There's already a kind of coal like that. It's called 'coal'.

You can't ignore that the drow, when they get their hands on nazi technology, watch and learn how they do it by scrying on everything the nazis do before they realize that scrying even exists.

Drow have their own technology and I see no reason they couldn't figure it out for themselves, and have tons of experience fusing technology with biology so their results very well could surpass the nazis advances.

>>9923202
The underdark contain CITIES of Drow, i dont think its realistic.

Hmmmm, Drow kill the Nazis, then take all their tech! Death from Below!

>>9923237
Great...now we have Nazi-Drow cyborgs.

LOOK WHAT YOU DID!

>>9923237

Dwarfs maybe could make inferior replicas of the semi auto rifles.

But the Drow? They would see mysterious machines doing mysterious things to lumps of metal which then make mysterious parts that when put together in a mysterious way make a gun.

>>9923183
One would suspect they would get it from mining, not counting their stockpiles.

Mining operations would DEFINITELY be insanely well defended.

This isn't like taking on a few Svirneblin who might have an earth elemental; this is fighting guys who have TANKS guarding their mining equipment, and tons of soldiers with firearms.

>>9923241
Medieval cities pollute a whole lot less than 1940s-era factories. Even if they're several times larger than the largest caverns in the world, that just means it'll take weeks instead of days to fill up with smog.

>>9923202

The nazis would just pump it into the drow caverns or into lower levels. Creates a natural kill zone around your area.

Could'nt the nazis dig theri way to the surface and built a colony there and make some undercover rape raids from there? They surely would be better off on the surface than underground.

>>9923270
So they drill a chimney to the surface.

Problem solved.

>>9923272

Thats a point. The Nazis would dig out of the ceiling because its there.

Airpower would be interesting in the underdark.

>>9923305

That would depend on how deep they are. That information was not provided by OP.

This is a retarded Mary Sue concept to begin with, every retards favorite badguys because their pansy keyboard jockey ass can't make up their own and they have no originality vs. everyone's favorite emo every-warrior.

Dipshittery we don't have dragon riding Nazis, ever-resourceful Germans, further evidence of the otherwise intelligent OP's lack of originality or imagination.

>>9923272
Drilling to and trading with the surface is one thing.

Living on the surface just kind of kills the whole scenario and makes it Nazi's vs. Faerun.

The drow have a chance because they're on their home turf, which the Nazi's are NOT well suited to fighting in. Faerun on the surface, however, has no defense against tanks and guns.

To be honest I am tempted to DM this now

>>9923319
Op here. They're at the same depth as Menzo, whatever that is.
>>9923341
If you want any extra details, feel free to ask.

>>9923341
are you gonna do an online game ? If so, count me in please!

>>9921994
>>9922008
I have no idea who would win, but this sounds like one hell of a campaign setting.

>>9923341

If you're anywhere close to Seattle, I want to play. ;)

>Airpower would be interesting in the underdark.
That's the worst idea in this thread full of terrible ideas.

>>9923104
And the Tyranny domain

>>9923362

The caverns are gigantic though. Not the fast planes but slower ones? Especially bombers.

>>9923050

Light sensitivity is a liability when fighting machine gun wielding humans, especially if the Nazis figure out this advantage and adjust tactics accordingly.

My $ is on the Drow.

Cloudkill autokills below a certain level, which most of the nazis will be. The drow drop a few of those ove the city (and the Nazis don't have clerics for Zone of Sweet Air) and BAM no more nazis.

This is taking place in the Forgotten Realms, obviously (hence Menzoberranzan and Drizzt reference). Clerics in FR are ONLY granted their powers by a deity; they cannot simply draw power from faith.

Note to people on invisibility: "Invisibility Purge" is a 4th level spell.

>>9923178
>Mindflayers may well end up in the same position the Japs occupied in Nazi Germany as being "honorary humans"

Illithids - a species 'from the end of time', super-advanced, cruel slave-holders of inferior species; subject to violent internal struggles and a desire to kill and subjugate all others; frightening even other abominations...

Nazi Germans - a species from OH SHIT GUYS I THINK WE WORKED IT OUT

>>9923341
OP here. I've been looking for an online game for some time now. If you decide to run it, I'd like to join in.

Mind, even if I created it initially, it would be essentially yours if you ran it as a game.

>>9923406
How are the drows going to get there in first place, considering that all entrance are controlled ?

And then the PC's arrive.

>>9923426
MIND=BLOWN

>>9923267

GUNS, HOW DO THEY WORK?

Identify, nothing. Detect magic, nothing!

>>9923426

Oh my.

>>9923410

Invisibility purge is a nominal duration cleric spell, so the lack of cleric's again becomes problematic for the nazis. Sure they could have see invis up, but that's a personal spell and most of the guards are not casters.

>>9923458

Exactly. The Drow themselves are not craftsmen of anything other than magical items. They wouldn't be very keen to ask the few craftsmen slaves for advice as it would be a sign of weakness. But even then they're going to be going "I have no idea"

So is anyone gonna DM a game of this ?

>>9923433
Can you imagine what a group of PC's played by /tg/ in this setting could accomplish?

>>9923472
The biggest weakness underground dwellers have is poison gas.

The nazis are most renowned for using... poison gas.

>>9923472

As soon as one wizard discovers invisibility is possible they will go "MEIN FUHRER THE ENEMY ARE CAPABLE OF INVISIBILITY!"

Besides does invisibility work on guard dogs?

>>9923472
because there is no way that you can make stuff that counters invisibility that everyone can use.

>>9923514
They've had the spellbook for YEARS. They know all about invisibility and divination and all the counters to them available up to fourth level, and nothing prevents them from learning spells from captured drow or buying them from other civilizations.

>>9923410
How about Ur Priests, then.
OR, to venture into the distasteful, Hitler deified.

>>9923472
Because there is no way for Nazis to prduce Goggles of See Invis en masse.....right?

>>9923237
Drow have no scientific method. They aren't cooperative enough to master technology the way that the Germans can. It's a tossup between whether the Drow can stop backstabbing each other long enough to win against the lockstep German machine. My money is on no. They just have too many divisions among themselves.

>>9923573
>because there is no way that you can make stuff that counters invisibility that everyone can use.

How far off WW2 tech are motion detectors, infa-red cameras, and localised radar?

>>9923514

Well, this is where it gets tricky. Where are the nazis getting their spellbooks from? Are they having to research every spell they have? Are they making new ones? Is this ADD, 2e or 3.x? Are there sorcerors?

Invisibility kind of works on guard dogs. Dogs have scent and will smell the drow unless they do something to mask it. Darkstalker may come in handy in this regard as would alchemical substances.

>>9923591
If they block off all but one passage, then they only need ONE pair of see invisibility. But they could at least make two.

To those asking about smoke build-up: Ever heard of Druegar? Them dark-dwarves? They have smoke-stack cities in the underdark as well. Look it up.

>>9923473
No one really is a craftman of anything but magical items in fearun. Even the dwarves don't usually build machines.

The only exception is gnomes. And the drow have some as slaves dedicated to crafting complex things. If they want to understand their ennemies weaponry - and they'll do, they'll force them to work on it. They will even make them compete to find out first, because whatever house gets effective firearms first can get power. And renouncing to potential power is far more of a weakling's thing to do than using slaves to get it.

Also, there's still the problem of the yochlols, the shadowdancers and assassins, the iron golems, and the mind flayer that enthralled hitler.

>>9923514

Also, locked doors that are being watched.

Drow uses Knock to unlock blast door. Door is too heavy to open without the door mechanisms working. So much for "unlocking" that blast door.

Alternatively, Drow are somehow able to open the door. Nazis see door open, apply flamethrower.

>>9923410
And they've only got a few guys who can cast it while the drow have thousands

>>9923610
>The year is 1942. Nazi forces are marching across Europe, when Hitler's interest in the occult finally pays off. His forces find a mysterious book full of spells that actually work.

>
The spellbook they have teaches up to 4th level spells, and a special "Interdimensional Gate" spell.

It teaches everything up to fourth level, plus an extra interdimensional gate spell. They've had it for a couple years already.

>>9923610

The Nazi's have one spellbook at the start but will have copied it and no doubt have produced numerous grades of "Standard issue spellbook" along with a strict, precise training program for military wizards and civil works wizards. They will also be researching how magic actually works.

"Da I know that by casting fireball you make a fireball. What I am interested in is HOW"

"yes yes cast invisibility and you are invisible. Lets figure out HOW you become invisible"

>>9923596
They'll doo as soon as lolth percieve a threat on her playground and tell them to do so.

Is nobody up to DM a game of this online ?

>>9923610
Drow can bathe in human blood and get past easily. Even if they don't, then what happens ? The dogs smell something, bark, don't see it and stop barking.

>>9923687
OP here.

I'm just not experienced enough at DMing online to do it. If someone else does it though, I DO want to join in.

>>9923628
Ring of fire resistance, and that assassin spell that allow to become liquid to slip through doors.

>>9923702

Nazis know about Invisibility. They are not going to dismiss a guard dog barking at "nothing".

Come to think of it, flamethrowers work exactly like an Invisibility Purge spell

>>9923730

>fire resistance

Then just bullets.

>turn to liquid to slip through door

Hmmmm. Good point. What means to normal Faerun people have to protect against this sort of thing? They do that.

>>9923623

The Gnomes are still going to have a hard time figuring it out. It is one thing to see the object in question and observe its construction but you need to understand the machines as well as the materials used.

>>9923742
There's other ways to be invisible than the invisibility spells.
Assuming the drow is a shadowdancer, let's say without the darkstalker feat.
The dog smell him, he barks, the soldiers start moving, the drow shadow jump away. The soldiers start firing everywhere at nothing ?

>>9923783
No need to use bullets at first.
You'll just see a moving figure covered in flames.
It is then, that you fire.

And how can the nazi know what do the other races use ?

They'll just use 24/ protection or something.
But, by far, the easiest way is to have a small moat made of a dark liquid just behind the door, which should be able to protect and notice from just about anything.

>>9923765
Except fire resistance, and in small tunnels that's not a good idea to werf flammen everywhere.

I will defeat the 4th Reich and the Drow with mahjong.

>>9923829

You're forgetting that all these "ohgodsupercool" classes are rare. Even more so at higher levels.

>>9923858
the point is not killing the thing istantly, but noticing it.
Guards will see with ease a moving, burning figure and shoot it until it's dead.

>>9923810
An easier time than the one nazis will have to figure out how and why you can make a fireball from bat guano. A gun is a quite simple machine.

>>9923858
Drow don't have inherent fire resistance, drow priestesses don't commonly help other drow with their magic, and the chaotic stupid traitorville environment of the drow generally decreases the performance of their casters, since it makes them far more likely to hoard their spell slots for their own use.

>>9923836

>countermeasures of other races

Nazis are smart, they may figure out a lot of those countermeasures themselves.

>>9923858
What fire resistance? Also, the point is of course not just to kill them, but to blind them and make them visible.

>>9923902
Guns are NOT a simple machine.
Expecially considering the modern materials used.

>>9923902

To us maybe.

But to these Gnomish or Drow Craftsmen? It's going to be a total mystery.

They can speculate and experiment but they'll be trying to make a semi automatic battle rifle or assault rifle (nazis made the first one remember) without going through the technological development stage of blackpowder weapons.

>>9923884
Not among drows, and they need only a handful of high level assassins to deal with the new threat.
The jaezred chaulssin has a membership of 807 draconic and half-dragon drows, for an example.

>>9923932
Yes it is. Look at the AK-47 and tell me that it is a complex device.

>>9923901
And not notice other one that teleported past them.

>>9923902

>gnome slave uses newly crafted gun to kill drow

>>9923178
>Mindflayers may well end up in the same position the Japs occupied in Nazi Germany as being "honorary humans"

aren't mindflayers humans from the DISTANT DISTANT future?

>>9923930
Fire don't blind, improved evasion anyway.

>>9924010
Teleportation in the underdark is SUICIDE. The drow don't use it without very well designed special maps, which are generally treasures of their most powerful archmages.

>>9924023
...Can I use that hook sometime?

>>9923971

A few high level assassins who are entrenched in their ways of doing things.

They'll approach this new threat same as any other they've encountered and be thoroughly raped.

The Nazis are used to far more treacherous and cunning assassins.

>>9923972

While it is built like a tractor you are still looking at a device that is fairly complex. Especially in comparison to anything the Drow will have seen.

>>9923178
Sadly, I think Nazis would just have one of those "tiers of races", shitting order things. Humans > other fantasy species. Aryans > most humans.

>>9923972
Compare that with a sword, musket, or a hammer. Yes, it's a pretty complicated device.

>>9924053
Compared to, say, convoluted magical and mechanical traps? Constructs and automatons? Golems? I'll go out on a limb here and say the biggest problem would be gunpowder and ammunition.

>>9924053

Also another thing. It's the little details that the Drow will miss in their reproduction firearms.

Rifling of the barrel, ironsights, etc

This is assuming they even figure out how bullets work.

>>9923966
Gnomes already have simple firearms, they just don't use it much because it sucks compared to magic.
And no, it's not really a mysterious that exploding stuff can push a bit of metal from a metal tube. The mechanics, though fine ones, are even simpler.

>>9923657
But isn't the means itself magical?

How would they react to knowing they can't explain it beyond that?

>>9923972
It is.
A simple machine is a wheel.
A complex machine is an AK47.
If it's such a simple thing, can you make an AK47 from scratch ? Or design a better weapon ?

Guys.
Tyr is an FR deity.

>>9924078

An AK is no more complicated than any of those things.

>>9924023
A gun is not more deadly than a crossbow, and slaves are usually quite slavish and mindraped.

>>9924097
>can you make an AK47 from scratch ?

If you wish to make an AK from scratch, you first need to invent the universe.

About the whole combat part. Consider frag munitions in medium-sized caves and corridors. Also, flamethrowers. The ventilation problems can be solved by rudimentary magic.

>>9924127

>you must first invent the universe

Flamethrowers would be godly in a cave system. The original usage of flamethrowers was in bunker clearing since a stream of napalm will bounce off of walls. Drow hiding behind a corner become toasty drow hiding behind a corner.

According to the parameters set up by all of you, the Nazis will win. You've given them some mystical insight into how the workings of the Underdark function, any countermeasure needed for whatever eventuality the Drow may throw at them. While they trained and prepared to face their Drow adversaries for however long they've been there(for no real reason) the Drow have apparently done nothing. Poison gasses and noxious fumes won't hurt them but will kill everyone else, and apparently they've managed to train 220 mages in a span of two years with ONE book.

Your methods are as flawed as those of the Mythbusters, and I am ashamed to have read this thread.

Fun fact: Explosives do vastly more damage in an enclosed area. Even one against a wall and floor will do more damage because the shockwaves bounce off any surface, but one in which there's a roof, two walls, and a floor, will do vastly more damage. That is not counting any shrapnel produced from the walls or ceiling.

>>9924097
From scratch, no. From a sheet of steel, using the tools and magic ascribed to the drow, yes. That is IF I can remember the fucking dimensions. Then again, having captured a working specimen I could venture to replicate it.

Frankly, I'm not sure a city of 30,000 is going to be of sufficient size to mobilize any army of value. Also, resources are going to be a massive issue.

Right now I see the National Socialists reverting to pretty standard hierarchical society based on slave labor and exploitation. Weakling rapidly breeding slaves would be prized - goblins, etc.

>>9924047
Yeah, the powerful archmages of menzo that fund these assassins.
>>9924053
>They'll approach this new threat same as any other they've encountered and be thoroughly raped.
>The Nazis are used to far more treacherous and cunning assassins.
Yeah. Send stealthy character kill the leaders and poison the water and create a gate to the abyss in the middle of the colony and stuff. And that'll work.
You can't say that the plan to assassinate hitler was really cunning, and it almost worked.

>>99241197

A gun is so much more deadly than a crossbow, superior range, stopping power, etc.

Plus while some Drow will have armour proof against crossbow bolts it won't stand up to bullets.


>>9924085

Gnomes have blackpowder weapons. A blackpowder gun is massively different to a bullet using gun.

The basic principle is the same but the Gnomes will see these bullets and go "I dunno gov"

>>9924197
>>9924190
Personally I think it'd be more interesting if they bargained to give up the stuff they got to get off easy. Basically, instead of Nazis vs. Drow it's Our World vs. DnD.

drow assassins, supported by a mage or two, would have infiltrated this human colony the moment it was seen as a threat and taken the head of serpent without its body being the wiser.

>>9924097
Give me a way to make the bits, and AK 47, and I can build another one, yes. Designing is a little bit harder, but that's not really necessary.

>>9922759
>Illithid advisor? The Nazis have lost already. He's totally gonna betray them, enthrall Hitler, and eat Goebbels' brains!
Just as planned. Goebbel now uses his incredible Strength of Will to hijack the Illithid from within.

rolled 30 = 30

want a nazi drow game play this....The drow war trilogy

>>9924208
Level 9 spells, really?

Lets face it guys.

The Nazis hold an advantage. You can argue the point but like someone else mentioned. They've trained 220 mages in two years.

The Nazis are going to win.

>>9924216
>armor
Magical armor works the same against any projectile, whatever the force.
>but the Gnomes will see these bullets and go "I dunno gov"
Why would they ? That's simple.

>220 mages in two years.

What is this, 3rd edition?

>>9924272
Until the Drow start speaking Russian.

>>9924127

ha.

>>9924271
Yeah, level 9 spells. Why not ?

>>9924311
Russians find a book full of spells too? God damn.
Why don't the Americans start this up too. Hell even add the British and the French.

>>9924272
But hitler is puppeted by the Illithids.

>>9924272
That was mentioned because it was more evidence of the odds being stacked in favor of the Nazis so that the Deadliest Warrior team we've got here can come to the conclusion using "science" that the Nazis win.

because humans are awesome and Drow are whiny emo faggots, right guys?

>>9924311

Drow get what languages in 3.5 to start out with? Is common one of those. it needs to be decided what "common" actually is? is it Russian, German, English or Swahili? Will they even be able to speak with each other?

>>9924353
We had a similar situation in another thread.

IIRC the goblins were basically brought around to the concept of the proletariat and the revolution to destroy capitalism.

They didn't understand most of it, but I think they got the picture.

>>9924394
Well now, I like where this is going.

>>9924272
Still can't do a thing against a regular yochlol.

>>9924332

I don't particularly imagine that tier of ultrarare caster to even exist outside the Demonweb Pits, and those that do are quite unlikely to risk themselves like that.

>>9924383
Common is the trade language in the area, for that PARTICULAR campaign. So probably it'd be English for most RL campaigns, but not necessarily.

>>9924521

It won't be English.

It will just be a language everyone else knows.

The Drow will have little clue what the Nazi's are saying unless German is affected by those spells that let you understand all languages briefly

>>9924378

Asspained drowtales fan detected.

You know that drow are constantly on the edge of extiction due to their own volatility all the time right?

I think Swahili would be a good one.

>>9924491
>implying there's a risk for an epic caster.
In menzo, Gromph Baenre (diviner16/archmage4) and Dyrr the lichdrow (sorcerer20/wizard3/cleric1), for example.

I'd say the most important question of balance here is whether Hitler has managed to tap into charisma-based spellcasting.

If not, then the Nazis are in an unenviable position regarding numbers. They cannot field a proper modern army, although they can create some really dangerous guerrilla bands. Their modern weaponry and factories mean that any invasion will be a complete disaster for the time being. However, they absolutely would need allies to survive. Considering that Hitler was willing to ally with Mussolini and Tojo and somehow managed to not attack Stalin for a few years, it's clear this is no problem. Still, it's a war of attrition against the Drow. Given that they have obviously had no problem holding the colony for this long and produced a handful of mages with frightening speed, it would take the entirety of the Drow forces invading with Soviet-style body sacrifices just to let some of their more seasoned spellcasters try to wreak havoc.Nazis beat Drow, although slowly and hoping to not piss off an even greater foe.

If Hitler has charisma-based spellcasting, there's not even a real fight. Hitler's charisma is fucking broken. Everyone knew he was batshit insane from day one, yet he had admirers all over the world. Hitler would carve through sorcerer levels without any effort at all. Between that and his ability to convince people to fanatically support him to the point of worship, he'd end up at epic-level sorcerer with divine rank in no time. The Drow aren't just fucked, Hitler is going to personally pull Lolth's legs off one by one while Mengele pulls out the bleach hoses and mental torture implements to turn some Drow bitches into subservient elven whores.

>>9924538
>The Drow will have little clue what the Nazi's are saying unless German is affected by those spells that let you understand all languages briefly
Why wouldn't it be ?

>>9924577

agreed.

>Mengele pulls out the bleach hoses and mental torture implements to turn some Drow bitches into subservient elven whores.

Shiiiiiiiiit.

>>9924577

Pic related

>>9924577

>Hitler's charisma is fucking broken

This.

I saw some vidyas on him on youtube and i wanted to go HAIL DEM FÜHRER

>>9924598

Never know. They are from another dimension but you're right it will probly work.

Technical language is still going to baffle them though. "What is a millimetre? I MUST POSSESS THEM! THEY ARE ESSENTIAL TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ENEMY'S WEAPONS!! FIND ME THESE MILLIMETRES!"

Oh man I'm lolling at the misconceptions the Drow might have

>>9924643
>>9924577

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q-6H4xOUrs


Charisma stacking. Damn.

How will the nazis get more bullets?

>>9924577

Oh gods this. THIS.

Hitler figures out Charisma spellcasting and you're looking at the birth of a god. I'm honestly scared now

>>9924685

They have the factory base necessary to supply themselves.

>>9924713

He would already have a small base of support in the worshipers part of godhood. How many followers do you need again before you start getting god powers?

>>9924713

Then in the middle of the Cold War, a portal opens in Berlin and Aryan elite troopers wielding the divine magics of the Aryan god pour out, equpped with adamantium and mithril forged equipment and magic scrolls.

Commence third world war.

>>9924577
They have limited stocks in coal and oil and explosives. "Allies" they have : the illithids "adviser" that run the whole thing at this point. They don't have golem-makers and earth elemental-conjurers that would be the heavy weaponry most adapted to this kind of thing, they do not have armies of slaves, they would better not start invoking devils or demons, they do not have divine magic (cure spells and more importantly, resurrecting ones)... mostly they do not have spells of a higher level than 4.
>Nazis beat Drow, although slowly and hoping to not piss off an even greater foe.
Like Lolth ?

And sorcerers don't work like that.

>>9923058
Even non-racists agree that nazis are pretty top tier in terms of really good humans. Nazis are ruthlessly efficient, and considering we're talking about 10k of the best of the nazis, they are obviously superior to 10k of most humans. If 10k uneducated humans can harm the drow in wars using swords, 10k of the best nazis can obliterate the drow with panzers, assault rifles, jet planes, rockets, and nightvision.

>>9924750

Oh god... Avatar of Hitler leading a blitzkrieg.

Nazis see what the West did to Western Germany, then sees what USSR did to Eastern Germany. Russia doesn't stand a chance against the fury of this new German power.

I hope this thread has been archived...

Continuation of >>9924577

Just had another scary thought. Even without spells, Hitler could damn well choose to become a paladin. Divine Grace alone would leave Hitler's saving throws in the realm of immune-to-anything-and-fucking-everything.

Then Paladin Hitler starts on the path of charisma-based spellcasting...

>>9924764

The Hitler one would.

The guy has charisma coming out of every orifice. His Charisma modifier alone must be in the double digits let alone his actual score

>>9924670
Why wouldn't they understand measurements ? The first time I read about feet I did not ask myself if it was real feets.
And the spell either translate, then they'll understand, or simply give them the idea of the things mentionned, and they'll understand.

>>9924832

It better be archived. how do I save it on my computer? I actually want to use all this information for a future campaign.

>>9924841

Why would it?

It would translate words if possible and if the word has no meaning itself then it would not be translated.

Why would the spell suddenly grant the caster knowledge of measurements?

>>9924827
Underground jet planes?

This thread is fuckwin. Still, I have to side with teh nazis. The Nazis are only fighting 1 city, not all of them. My FR lore is rusty, but I don't think that all drow cities like each other, and not all of them worship lolth to the degree the Menzos do (hence that one male high priest in Ched Nissan or whatever). In fact, I bet the other drow would help defeat those elitist jerks in Menzo. Even within Menzo, the other drow houses wouldn't be too keen on helping House Baerne, and would likely try to cause their defeat.

>>9924827
Panzers, jet planes and rockets in the underdark ?

>>9924870
Of course. Adamantine ones, even.

>>9924750
Aw fuck. You win at everything forever.

>>9924870

panzers yes. Rockets maybe. Jets? No. Prop planes? on and off.

Field artillery? you bet

>>9923426
The tentacle-face is their gas mask fused to their flesh. They tried to combine magic with their industry with disastrous results.

Hitler is obviously a sorcerer. Do you realize how much fucking charisma that guy had? "Enough to take control of a country of millions and threaten the entire world" easily ranks as 24+. He exterminated all the jews so he could powerlevel his XP.

>>9924839
You're starting to sound like a fanboy.
Hitler wasn't charismatic to that point. And charisma alone don't make epic spellcasters.

>>9923131
Gentlemen, get me Paladin Cananda!

>>9922872
>>9922893

One small problem I'm noticing here is level. The Nazis best Mages are around level 8, while Drow have a good supply of Clerics and Wizards in the upper teens. The Nazis have equipment, the Drow have sheer level.

I've seen Nazi Germany vs unsuspecting D&D world threads before... they always make me want to DM. Having some of these ideas nicely laid out would really help.

>>9924870
And V2 missiles. But with drills, so instead of flying they burrow in the ground and detonate in enemy cities.

>>9924827
>Even non-racists agree that nazis are pretty top tier in terms of really good humans.
Hm... no ? They were not bad, but not better than the english or the americans or the russians of that time.

>>9924929

Remember high level characters are rare not common.

It is unlikely they have more than ten wizards in the teens. People in the 10+ level range are typically the people at the top of the pyramid

>>9924832
Submitted.

>>9924958

The rest of the world only won by mass wave tactics.

Think about it. The Nazi's were insanely outnumbered on every front yet acquitted themselves impressively.

They took on half the world including all the superpowers of the time and the two emerging superpowers.

>>9924929

Base Nazi's probably have a level adjustment. And they are probably multiclassed with something else... so I don't know about the level advantage.

Personally, I'm more keen on seeing the nazis descend into savagery and feudalism, losing most of their technology over time, and replacing the Jew in their mythos with the Drow.

One thing I would like to point out is that Drow are BIG on backstabbing and scheming.

Some drow might like Natzi power for what it represents to their own power.

>>9924856
Because words come in context. When i say "this tube is about 135 gerribles long" you'll understand that a gerrible is an unit of measure of length. When you get directly the idea of a gerrible you'll understand faster yet.
I assure you that drow use measurements.

>>9924912
Panzers don't work very well in tunnels. And they need oil. Planes are sub-par since they have fly.
Rockets and artillery are even worse than panzers in this environment.

>>9925010

They're probably a custom class.

I doubt the "infantry" class exists.

Or SS, or Gestapo...oh man Drow prisoner meets Gestapo.

"OH LOLTH YES WHIP ME MORE!"

"Hmm the usual techniques aren't working. Lets try something else"

And so the Gestapo learn the power of kindness. Then twist it and manipulate it to their favour.

>>9924921
>hitler even HAS fanboys

>not that charismatic

just think about what you're saying for a moment.

>>9925059
"EAT DA COOKIE!"
"No!"
"EAT IIIIT!"

>>9924958
True, the Brits were keeping them occupied quite well. In terms of raw quality though, that was the only foe that could compare. The Russians were threatening due to self-destructive tactics and overwhelming numbers. Only late-stage Allied forces led by Britain and the US were of comparable quality, and we all know that Churchill and Roosevelt would both be fucking up some Drow shit too.

>>9924921
Six MILLION kills will powerlevel you up like a motherfucker. Hitler's either capped at level 30, or has broken past the level cap.

Plus, a bunch of Nazi war veterans? The lowest level one is 5th level, with a bunch at 10th or higher.

>>9925035

I don't see how that is possible. Also, good command structures and very discipline troops. One of the key aspects of Nazi Germans was the ability to work together to produce the best outcomes. They are very lawful, might even say that they are more lawful than they are evil.

>>9925084
Not if all those kills are half-level jews.

>>9925054

They might grasp context but they'll be completely baffled.

>>9924988
They couldn't take England.

>>9924962
No, middle level casters in drow society are common.
>>9924988
>They took on half the world including all the superpowers of the time and the two emerging superpowers.
It just shows how stupid they could get. They didn't even conquer britain when it was alone, though. And they were outnumbering it.

Nazis will be revealed to be Vasharans.
All will be well.

>>9925084
Lol, me and my friends sometimes joked about how many levels the guy piloting the Enola Gay got.

>>9925078

AND HAVE SOME MILK!
SHOULDN'T HAVE COOKIES WITHOUT MILK!

ISN'T THIS CAKE DELICIOUS?! ISN'T IT?!

>>9925066
So what ? Having fanboys is easy. Having a succubus-like charisma is hard.

>>9925103
because Hitler sucked at tactics and strategy.

And don't you even dare to remind me of those godawful books.

>>9925109

Airpower trumped them there.

The battle of Britain meant an invasion of Britain was impossible.

How the hell would the nazis be getting enough lead for their bullets and enough oil for their tanks with only 10,000 people?

>>9925099
No they won't ?

>>9925158

Those books were hilarious!

>>9925183

Ok. I'll give you an arbitrary unit of measurement that only I know.

You go and make something to those measurements.

>>9925109
See, the main weakness of nazis is water. Nazis can't stand water, they can't cross it without being destroyed unless they go all the way and are completely under it. The fundamental extremism of nazism prevents compromise with water, thus they can either avoid it completely or be entirely submerged in it. All attempts at compromise result in an extreme.

>>9925177
That's still a loss. And their navy has been outpowered quickly too.

>>9925178
All of those things come from underground. They've obviously got some decent mining going on.

Let's see, what heavy German weaponry will work best in caves...

Field guns will need to fire over open sights, since the cave ceiling limits ballistic arcs. Infantry guns are probably best, especially the 75mm leIG18, since it can be wheeled around and has decent firepower. The 150mm sIG33 would be a nice castle-buster, but is overkill for everything else. Both can fire HEAT rounds in case the enemy starts throwing golems at the nazis. The 75mm GebG36 is also a good substitute, being light and effective.

Mortars are probably ineffective, unless they can be aimed at very shallow angles. Rocket artillery is also problematic for that reason. Rocket launchers like panzerfausts and panzerschrecks will only be useful against hardened enemies, like golems and the like.

Anti-tank guns may be a good substitute for field guns, given that they all had HE shells too. The humble 37mm PaK36 could really shine with its AP and HE shells, since it doesn't have to hunt tanks with 100mm+ armour. Also easy to wheel around. PaK38 will also do. PaK40 and up is overkill, and more clumsy.

75mm LG40 recoilless guns would be awesome. Light enough for two guys to carry around, good HE and HEAT for any occasion. Fliegerfaust AA weapon may also rock in these conditions, as airborne targets will be moving far slower than a plane, and will not react well to a shotgun dispersal of 20mm shells. Ground targets will also not like 20mm shells.

20mm FlaK38, single or quad, will be an effective defensive weapon against anything save a golem. 37mm FlaK43 is probably overkill. 88mm FlaK36 is definitely overkill, and cumbersome to set-up, unless you really want to smash some Drow fortress and impress the locals.

>>9925198
Considering that someone who HAS NO IDEA what a meter is can grasp what a meter is as soon as they see it in use...

>>9925200
What?

>>9925152
>succubus-like charisma is hard.
Not when you are Hitler.

dood. what if the Soviets followed them a couple decades later. And they could bring diseases and bring the nazis down like the native americans.

>>9925198
Why would I care ? If I want to reproduce your machinery, I'll mesure the pieces with my own units.
I'm just saying their brains won't explode just because they heard a strange word.

>>9925217

A meter is a fairly big unit of measurement though.

They'll still be a bit off as well.

Fine measurements needed for weapons will be beyond them. Machined precision is something they have no concept of.

>>9925152
Having millions of fanboys worldwide, creating a legacy where people remain fascinated for generations to come, and having so much charisma that he's democratically elected to power on a platform of "I am going to kill a SHITLOAD of people!" more than likely counts.

Hitler was making Diplomacy checks to turn people Fanatic constantly. Helpful to Fanatic alone takes 50, he was turning people otherwise indifferent into raging supporters. We're talking Diplomacy checks of 90+ consistently with long term effects. I'm going to say he had some pretty decent Charisma modifier going on there.

>>9925228
That's money, not charisma.

>>9925242

Oh their brains won't explode they'll just be unable to reproduce the weapons by observation alone. Even disassembly is going to provide more questions than answers.

>>9925217
If the drow could use meters after seeing them in use, then Nazis could use divine magic after seeing it in use.

Picking up a stick and holding it up against stuff is no different then clasping your hands together and praying. Especially in 3.5 and 4 where you can worship anything you want.

>>9925272

Hitler becomes god.

lulz ensue.

Weird Wars has DnD stats for WW2 weaponry. Shit goes BLAM!

>>9925256
Precision is just a matter of tools. They can get those too, if they have not some already.

"Underdark Nazis."

"I hate Underdark Nazis."

>>9925267
"Okay, so... there's a bit of metal."
"Right. That's the bit that hurts."
"Now, you know how alchemist fire works?"
"Yeah."
"Imagine that compacted into this part here."
"Oh, okay..."
"And when this part hits this part, this bit explodes, and sends the hurty bit flying down the barrel and out, going really damn fast."
"Okay. I think I get it now."
"Alright, now we need to add Drow ingenuity to make it BETTER."
"Easy! Poison the bullet and add useless frills to the outside of the gun."
"BRILLIANT!"

>>9924962

Menzo has a shitton of statted NPCs, at least one level 20 Wizard, and a handful of Clerics capable of casting level 9 spells. There are a LOT of level 8+ Wizards.

>>9924988

The moment those superpowers entered the war, though, Germany was assfucked.

>>9925276
Actually, in 3.5 there was a god like Hitler.

>>9925288

You really have no idea how complex guns are. They're not Russian weapons alright. They're German. German means finely made.

Fuck up one little bit and the whole thing doesn't work. The Drow would be trying to go from Mediaeval to 1940s tech in a single leap with Mediaeval tools.

It can not be done. You can hurp and derp and scream all you want but it can not be done. The addition of Gnomes and magic make it potentially possible but extremely difficult. That would just be a semi automatic battle rifle. An assault rifle would be waaaay beyond them, shotguns would be easier but they would have to make changes to suit their tech level. They'd be using glorified flintlocks.

>>9925262
Bluff checks. He sucked at diplomacy. His platform was "i'm going to get you people out of misery, but I won't get the rich out of their place, and I am a veteran too".
Mostly the germans were "well, okay", not fanatical.

>>9922980
>implying humans in D&D can be anything other than Aryan

>>9925348

Germany started the war with the superpowers of the time and beat them rather badly. Remember preWW2 the global Superpowers were Britain, France, China and other European powers.

USA and Russia were barely emerging global superpowers back then. The USA got a big boost with the collapse of the British Empire after the war along with the sorry state Europe had been left in. Their total lack of direct involvement with the war certainly helped.

This is why the Nazis win.

So, how long would it take Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin, on their own, to defeat both sides?

>>9925412

It's a Wand of Fireball.

>>9925420

Obama wouldn't last long.

Putin? I'd give it a week tops for him to completely destroy the Drow leadership and most of that will be spent in planning. Of course killing Lolth only takes a hard stare from him.

>>9925398

Russia was huge, even back then, all the nazi fanboying in the world won't change that.

>>9925363
Once again, precision is just a matter of tools. Gnomes can help a little with their experience in mechanics and chemical explosives, but cutting a piece of metal in a given form is not a big problem, especially with magic.

>>9925429

That doesn't need ranks in use magical item.

Fuck how long before the Nazis make easy to use magical items?

"DIS is the flammenwerfer mark 2. It utilises a magic wand to send lots and lots of fire out with no problems regarding fuel. It is lighter and burns hotter. You do not need to measure your bursts as you would with the mark 1. To use it just pull the trigger.

>>9925429
Except it would be dozens of hardened SS Panzergrenadiers jumping out of halftracks and laying waste to entire areas. Also the brightness from the fires would be bad for the drow.

>>9925463

Even if they do just handwave and go "LOL MAGIC AND GNOME SLAVES" they still have to figure out bullets which is a lot harder.

Plus like I mentioned earlier the fine details WILL escape them. Barrel rifling, iron sights, etc.

>>9925442

Obama has enough charisma to be overwhelmingly elected by Americans despite being (1) black, and (2) having a Muslim-sounding name when we're at war with parts of the Middle East. He's also consistently managed to defy the Israel lobby, AND use his most fanatic opponents as a weapon to completely fucking destroy the Republican party. Plus, as a Conan fan, he'd have some idea how a fantasy setting actually works. Give him a white wig, and in a week he'd have the Drow as a NG egalitarian society.

>>9925398
>preWW2 the global Superpowers were Britain, France, China and other European powers.
>preWW2 Superpower China.
Derp much ?
France was being stupid, and the nazis did not beat any other superpower of the time.

>>9925449

Actually by the time of the communist revolution Russia was no longer regarded as a global superpower.

Afterwards it was rebuilding but was still not classed as a global superpower. Definitely the power in Eastern Europe but not a global superpower.

>>9925496
Pre World War 2 large chunks of China had been gobbled up by Japan. Hardly a superpower.

>>9925483
This bit hits that bit which caused this other bit to explode.

>>9925496

Sorry China was a regional power. Why did I put them in with the global powers?

>>9925463
and whare does the understanding of why percision is nessisary come from? and the factorys and munitions needed to make enough to be usefull?

>>9925517

Bravo.

Now how does it do that?

>>9925500

No, every competent historian agrees that, at the time, Russia was viewed as a terrifying power. BEFORE the Revolution, it was a backwards, laughable, hick-nation. AFTER the Revolution, especially under Stalin, it was a terrifying industrial power. Learn some actual history, stormfag.

>>9925542
You pull this bit which pulls that thinger back. Then it hits the bit that causes the explosion.

>>9925547

>Ad hominem

>>9925483
Barrel rifling is pretty obvious and sights more so. Bullets are simple and cartridges an evidence once you see one.

>>9925552

Brilliant you completely misinterpreted the question.

How does this bit getting hit cause the explosion?

LOLMAGIC?

>>9925442

Obama came out of nowhere, and almost immediately convinced everyone who watched him that he was either the messiah or the antichrist. The man has charisma out the ass.

>>9925561

These things are obvious to us. TO US.

To a bunch of mediaeval primitives who are used to handwavium magic to solve their problems these things will not be obvious.

>>9925555

Actually, it's only an ad hominem if used as an argument. In this case, it's an insult tangential to my actual point, which is that you are fundamentally wrong about history.

>>9925552

>Then you do this thingamajig and the dohicky then....

Very technical.

>>9925567
Being hit causes it to explode.
It's like alchemist fire.

>>9925587
I'm sure the Drow would come up with words for each part.

>>9925584

Still doesn't change the fact that the Nazis took on pretty much everyone and at one point were winning.

If you show a medieval society a firearm, and let them take it apart and toy around with it, they could try making their own. But you'd have simple muzzle or breech loaders. I don't care how good your blacksmith is, he doesn't have the tools and resources to make a semi-automatic firearm.

>>9925567
>open cartridge
>see the powder and the whatever it's called in english
>the whatever explode when it's hit
>oh, so that's how

>>9925604

And then they would be able to easily replicate that technology like every other primitive culture that receives guns right? Funny, I can't think of any primitive cultures that were ever able to replicate guns, they always just kept trading guns for resources that Europe wanted.

>>9925618

I think you are underestimating the power of human ingenuity.

>>9925582
Yes they would. When you see it, you understand it. That's why it's simple.

>>9925643

Great now they just need to figure out impact sensitive chemicals.

>>9925617
Well no. They won against poland, which was not a power. France surrendered. The british fought, and they lost.

>>9923702
someone doesn't have dogs. if a dog detects something but can't see it it will go bonkers until someone higher up in the hirerarchy (like the handler) either identifies it or beats the crap out of it for being noisy.

after the first invisible attack even the nancys will learn not to hush a barking dog.

>>9925684
>When you see it, you understand it.

so if i can find a pic of a nuke i can make one?

>>9925617

They were winning when they went up against their tiny neighbours and France, before the Allies were actually assaulting them in any force. L2war.

>>9925658
The japanese could. The russians could.

>>9925716

They beat France. Sure parts of the Maginot line held out but they did beat France. Forcing a surrender is beating them remember.

They beat the British in the beginning of the war too. It wasn't until the battle of Britain that their luck against the British turned for the worse.

Initially they made amazing progress into Soviet Russia until winter kicked in.

>>9923902
bat guano IS highly flammable stuff IRL. so much for you mugeekz.

>>9925709
Not really. They'll easily find a magical substitute if they don't want to steal the stocks of the german.

>>9925725
Give me the tools and yes. But a nuke is not a gun.

>>9925832

and a gun is not a crossbow

>>9925832
It should be.

>>9925805
Like, as I've been saying, ALCHEMIST FIRE.

>>9924208
which one of the 42? only one came near, yet he survived the explosion that killed almost everyone ele in the room, an of all came out the healtiest

>>9925773
France could have fought far more seriously. And the maginot line wasn't used.
They won some battles against the british, they lost the important ones. They made less progress in russia than they needed, and eventually it was not the winter that defeated them, even though they were not prepared against it (which is stupid in its own right).

>>9925882
You mean that liquid substance that violently explodes if it comes into contact with AIR? The stuff that might leak if your seals are not perfect?

It's a fuckton more dangerous than gunpowder. It's like trying to power your bullets with nitro glycerin. I mean, sure, it works in theory.

But you're using NITRO GLYCERIN. FUCK!

>>9925849
And a crossbow is not a sling, still they have slings, crossbows and firearms.

>>9925917
The one everyone knows about. He was saved by luck alone, not by counter-assassins.

>>9926000
It wasn't luck, more like divine intervention or precognition.

>>9926038
His suit was ruined, though, so it can't be that.

if. big if.

if the germans ever lost the ability to make munitions, they could always just use crossbows too. crossbows are pretty awesome.

>>9925412
THIS IS MY FLAMENWULFEN.

IT SHOOTS WOLVES.

ON FIRE.

NAZI WOLVES.

>>9926083
They can't make chemical explosives in their cave, so it's not really a if.

>>9926108
Of COURSE!

Take an arctic wolf, and SET IT ON FIRE!

Then, give it a flame breath weapon.

Make it a Nazi.

BEST MONSTER EVER!

>>9924829
More like both sides would nuke Berlin simultaneously.

The real question is, what happens when the Germans figure out how to make UV flashlights, since Drow weapons, you know, melt in sunlight.

>>9926437
And their metal armour would too. Shine it on them until it's partially melted, then stop. If it hardens quickly, they're screwed.

>>9926437
depends. are the weapons dammaged by the symbolic pureaty of the sun or some form of radiation?

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/fabricate.htm

Fabricate is an awesome spell guize.

So, assume the Nazi's level up to lvl. 10 wizards somehow. Now they all learn Fabricate and someof them are gunsmiths and bulletmakers. Magical replenishment without factories.

>>9925298
OC?

This is crazy..

Yes the Drow have industry but its the wrong kind of industry for modern weapons. Granted they will learn alot.. rifling, more stable form of gunpowder and maybe if they really get their shit together bullets.

But just becuase you have industry doesn't mean you just make an automatic or semi-automatic weapon. People get confused due to the AK and zip guns.

Reason AK is easy to make is that modern industrial gear is just about everywhere and the AK is just a well designed weapon. It's made Russian easy and Russian stupid.

If you want me to buy they can just get their slaves to feild strip it and start making copies then the Nazis will have the same ability. They both have the same resources and the Nazis actually made these things.

So enjoy your Maus..