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    51 KB Planes and Mercenaries XXII op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/11/10(Sun)19:42 No.9133174  
    I emailed the art to the group, they got a kick out of it, wanted to know who drew it.

    New mission, got it a few minutes ago.

    BlackFlag External Document #100361

    Mission Briefing “Teal Sundown”
    Source: FSB (Russian Federal Security Service)
    Deployment: Gyandzha (Azerbaijan)
    Pancake: Gyandzha (Azerbaijan)
    Alternate: Nakhichevan (Azerbaijan)
    AAR: None
    AWACS: None
    CSAR: Spetznaz Team Omni, detached from Vympel (Vega Group)

    Contract Employer: Russian Federation

    Objective: Deploy the Russian chemical in the Tbilisi water supply at Op Point Able (+41° 53' 43.73", +44° 44' 2.26")
    Secondary Objective: Conduct a low level recon pass of the suspect airfield at Op Point Baker (+41° 37' 41.48", +45° 1' 54.30)
    Secondary Objective: Destroy the Communication Tower at Op Point Epsilon (+41° 41' 44.52", +44° 47' 4.74")
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)19:44 No.9133224

    For this mission, I think you should distribute the canisters between your ground attack aircraft and leave Judge to take out air.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)19:45 No.9133247
    What was the final result of the last mission? Did the Russians have any comments for you?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)19:55 No.9133491

    And leave him alone against any enemy air contacts? That never works.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)19:55 No.9133507
    Slow planes & mercs is slow.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:00 No.9133614
    > Deploy the Russian chemical in the Tbilisi water supply

    Well this can't go horribly wrong!
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/11/10(Sun)20:07 No.9133770
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    Central command was disappointed in your performance on your last outing. We've been monitoring production levels in Georgian agriculture and haven't seen the decrease our analysts predicted. However, having reviewed the footage from the operation, are analysis unit believes that the spraying was done to an adequate level for our purposes. Central was also aggravated that the road bridge was taken out, and not the more valuable rail bridge. They've still managed to play it up as further unrest and domestic terrorism, but it will have less impact compared with having a train, nevermind, its not important.
    What is important is the next stage in the Maskirovka, we are beginning active ground operations, specifically around the capital region. Central has tasked you with seeding the Georgian water supply at op point able. As you can see their are several settling reservoirs in the area, multiple passes will be needed. Specialized munitions have been developed, I won't bore you with the technical details, all you need to know is they function like a standard gravity bomb. And before you ask, again, no, the chemical is not lethal, it simply produces the bouts of incontinence in those who ingest it.
    We're still interested in the airfield at Op point Baker, especially considering the air assets you encountered on your last mission. Again, a low level pass would prove invaluable, the recon package can be modified to fit the aircraft you may task to completing this objective.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/11/10(Sun)20:08 No.9133798
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    As a final note, I mentioned ground operations. Several Spetsnaz teams have begun activity around the capital. At 0245 local, group Vega will disable the main power distribution and relay centre, taking down radar coverage. Group Cestus and Finch have been stirring up dissent, and will organize local insurgent sells into riots. To aid them, they've put in a request to have the communication tower at Epsilon taken out. This will add confusion and delay the local response, allowing the riots and Spetsnaz teams to be more effective. As before, these objectives are secondary.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:10 No.9133841
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    I saw the Planes and Mercs XX thread and went back and read every single thread in the archives. XXI happened while I did that and I read that too.

    Finally in at the beginning of this one. This is the best thing I've seen on /tg/ in maybe ever.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/11/10(Sun)20:16 No.9133953
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    HUMINT: Local Garrison troops are on alert status, patrolling the streets, some in mechanized equipment. Once the element of surprise is lost, expect heavy blind Anti-Air fire over the city, as well as some targeted fire.
    ELINT: The Georgian government has been broadcasting 24/7, trying to calm the populace, and insisting the domestic incidents are under control.
    SATINT: Confirms mechanized air defense, but cannot pinpoint locations as they are roving on civil patrol duties.
    Air Assets: Unknown
    Surface Assets: Local Air Defence Garrison is on alert.

    Threat Assessment: Medium. The Georgians are still reeling from their conflict with the Russian Federation. We believe the morale of their military forces is at an all time low, and their air-defense forces are in shambles, however recent events had shown aircraft operating inside Georgia, suggesting external aid. While the majority of Georgia's air defence is weak, the units in the capital have been mobilized, and will not hesitate to fire if you are detected.

    ROE: Do not fire unless fired upon, or if operational security would be compromised.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:20 No.9134063
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    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:21 No.9134084
    Seems pretty similar to the last mission all things considered. Having the ground targets be (mostly) blind is going to make it a lot easier to focus on AtA, especially now that you know the Georgians have at least some help from outside groups.

    Speaking of which, did the gun cameras get a good picture of the emblems of the F-16s that you shot down?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:23 No.9134134
    >produces the bouts of incontinence in those who ingest it.

    Well great op, sounds like you are bombing them with Taco Bell.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:24 No.9134169


    As far as I know there's only two though.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:25 No.9134181
    That's a lot to read! What is this all about, is their a summary, a quick download?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:28 No.9134249


    Should have a summary, and if you find it interesting, the recaps from the first eight or so missions.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/11/10(Sun)20:29 No.9134282
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    Glad I can finally get back on the ground floor of this thread.

    It'll be interesting to see how things go. I hope the Russians are telling the truth about those canisters. I'd expect another run-in with your (un)friendly neighborhood MAS.

    Sukhoi, you ever gonna tell me what that mystery plane in the last thread was?
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:34 No.9134388

    Op, I would really recommend looking into these unknown planes at this point, you don't need to be running into more surprise f-16s
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:36 No.9134429
    That's it, then. The Queen Victoria was at least excusable. There's no way to apologize for this one.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:38 No.9134470
    Taco bell is a Warcrime.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:38 No.9134492
    so the rules are a home modified version of airwar C21? Think I have a download of that somewhere on this computer, and I know I have interested players
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:41 No.9134556
    That's the general consensus so far.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:45 No.9134646

    Short summary: OP & co. are mercenary pilots flying for BlackFlag, a PMC not overburdened with ethics. They started out in Africa, did some dirty work for the French in Sudan and the CAR, then pulled off a daring aerial kidnapping of the Crown Prince of Morocco at the behest of Liberia (NOT LIBYA GODDAMNIT). Then they were blackmailed into helping the Liberians escape from the DRC and dropped a lot of napalm on a major city.

    They took a job from an arms smuggler to distract a UN blockade...and wound up sinking a cruise ship and a Danish frigate. Total bloodbath. The British government struck back in the next mission, in which they faced off against a flight of Tornados from some island and a full wing of Harriers from the HMS Ark Royal, while their base was evacuated.

    Lately they've been working for the FSB in Russia, fucking over Georgia and apparently engaging other merc pilots hired by the Georgians. They knocked out a hydroelectric power station and sprayed herbicide on a significant percentage of Georgia's farmland.

    Now they are apparently completing Russia's revenge on Georgia for giving them Josef Stalin, by giving everyone in Tblisi the galloping shits.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:52 No.9134825
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    More stuff. I like the cockpit view a lot. The other drawfag I've seen is doing it on pencil and paper, and he's got a really good grasp of aircraft geometry. Foreshortening on aircraft is murder.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:55 No.9134880
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    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)20:56 No.9134910

    Links to the unmodified rules, courtesy of Sukhoi, hence the titles.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/11/10(Sun)20:56 No.9134912
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    Looks good to me. You can always look at movie stills from stuff like Top Gun or Iron Eagles or whatever for examples on how to pull off both cockpit views and aircraft foreshortening.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:03 No.9135058
    Drawfags, I had a vision of a gigantic man, looming in the background, up in the air, in a black robe, a powdered wig, helmet, and oxygen mask, smashing an F-16 in the foreground out of the sky with a gavel, while the ground below is covered with fields of dead plants and an exploding bridge sends smoke into the air.

    Also: Snoopy riding his doghouse pretending to be the Red Baron, shooting missiles at a cruiseliner.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:16 No.9135332
    >Snoopy riding his doghouse pretending to be the Red Baron, shooting missiles at a cruiseliner.

    Fund. It.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:21 No.9135433
    Love the helmet.

    >really good grasp of aircraft geometry
    Yeah, the eye for detail has been improving with each image, the Fulcrum is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:24 No.9135469
    Was the wig under or on top of the helmet?

    This is important.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:25 No.9135497
    >Now they are apparently completing Russia's revenge on Georgia for giving them Josef Stalin, by giving everyone in Tblisi the galloping shits.

    This campaign is eerie, since it targets non-traditional, but highly effective targets. Whoever is coming up with it has some seriously fucked up ideas about how to prosecute the initial stages leading up to civil revolt.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:27 No.9135530
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    >> Air Action Weekly 04/11/10(Sun)21:27 No.9135541
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    I'd guess on top, otherwise you couldn't really see it.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:30 No.9135589
    Come on down to FIshbed Franks! We've got tons of FIshbeds, and look at those prices! We're just giving them away!
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:30 No.9135593
    IIRC it's AirWar C21 with a bunch of house rules and possibly GURPS (Or another universal system, I forget) for the characters.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:31 No.9135618
    Badgers living in the exhaust and wasp nests in the radar cones.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/11/10(Sun)21:33 No.9135647
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    'tis a sad sight to see such fine jets in. Fishbed is perhaps my favorite looking MiG. Well, aside from the -29, but that is because it looks like a Flanker.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:36 No.9135686

    I was envisioning it as part of the outside of the helmet, maybe even painted on? Otherwise, yeah, it'd be tough to see.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:37 No.9135706
    >Well, aside from the -29, but that is because it looks like a Flanker.

    Stop sucking up to the slavshit queen.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/11/10(Sun)21:40 No.9135778
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    I'm not? I just think Flankers look nice?

    Generally I prefer western aircraft, and prop planes at that, but I'm not afraid to admit Sukhois and MiGs can look nice too.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:42 No.9135810
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    Did Hugs' new plane come up at any point? The flanker's spread over several hundreds of square miles at the moment, right?
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/11/10(Sun)21:45 No.9135873
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    Odds are nice with the Russian discount he'll just replace it with another Flanker, maybe even a more modern model.

    Wasn't he the richest of the group after OP/Baron purchased an F/A-18?
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    I think he was the richest even before, considering he's already paid off his debt.

    I wonder what the interest on that debt is.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:48 No.9135940

    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:55 No.9136058
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    ... ah, er. The pasty-faced, tea-sipping Tommy got what was coming for him. Now we need a picture of Baron-Snoopy hosing down a Harrier with cannon fire. Or, well, a missile, if accuracy is of greater import.

    Also, did Scotch's viggen survive? I think he was the one who bought a spare Fencer though, whatever he thinks he'll use it for.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:55 No.9136066
    Good sir, you win both my approval as well as my respect. tl;dr HOLY FUCK YOU ARE AWESOME AND SHOULD FEEL AWESOME FOR IT.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:55 No.9136071

    Probably won't bother with colour but if anyone cares enough feel free.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)21:57 No.9136113

    Fuck yes. The teeth and the finger make it even better than I imagined. Anonymous Drawfag, you are a hero.
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    How much was their loan anyways? It had to have been enough to buy an early model flanker obviously.
    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/11/10(Sun)22:05 No.9136254
    I think in the first thread OP said the most expensive thing he could buy was a super hornet, might be wrong.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)22:05 No.9136268
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    Spent a little more time on this one. It's too bad there's no pig callsign, then we could maybe work in a Porco Rosso cameo.

    Wait, Bearhugs, was it? Hm....
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)22:05 No.9136271
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    >> Air Action Weekly 04/11/10(Sun)22:07 No.9136305
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    We never did get an actual monetary figure, did we?
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    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/11/10(Sun)22:10 No.9136356
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    Well, it's gotta be around 60 million.

    Also, these are the buttons I imagine judge was mashing when he pulled off that awesome stunt.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)22:11 No.9136378

    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/11/10(Sun)22:12 No.9136386
    I only thought to use mine because of yours.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)22:18 No.9136512
    I think the joke was a Super hornet was available, but it would sit on the ground. No main, fuel, weapons money.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)22:23 No.9136631
    Take another bomb with you, hit the rail bridge on your way out.

    I also recommend one other target of opportunity: take down the main radio towers in Tblisi. Cut off government broadcasts and things get ugly even faster.

    Also, see about tailing one of those Falcons back home, figure out where it's coming from. If it's Turkey, then for extra trollface power try to bomb the airfield and get the Georgian-hired PMC blamed.

    And if you can drag Liberia in somehow, all the better. That score still needs settling.
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    Mother of god. That's... hilarious. I can see Snoopy becoming Baron's callsign.

    That's one agressive-looking dog there.

    For shame, though, couldn't find any Phantom mecha musume. Gotta have to do with a bug.
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    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)22:27 No.9136708
    Seriously think your group should invest in a Growler at this point. Have NPCs fly it or something, share the cost between all of you, whatever it takes to have better radar and e-war capacity in the air.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/11/10(Sun)22:27 No.9136723
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)22:28 No.9136724
    I miss that show so goddamn much. ;_;
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)23:14 No.9136763
    Ooooooooh shiiiiiiit, the Russians are some next asshole motherfuckers.
    Just finished the last thread.
    Fingers crossed for rival Georgian merc squad.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)23:23 No.9136860
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    Can we use the FMUEOE Itano macro, then?

    >Meanwhile, cost of missiles will be skyrocketing due to rampant missile spam...
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/11/10(Sun)23:33 No.9136998
    Hmm ok, again with the multiple targets. With only five players hitting all three targets is, like last time, going to be hard to do. At least the water supply and the comm tower should be fairly close together.

    Here's how i'd do it... Send the two dedicated AtA pilots out to photograph the airfield but send them in separated. One goes in, takes the pics, and gets any aircraft on the field to launch...just in time for the second pilot to make his run and knock them out of the sky as they take off. Perhaps they should hit the rail bridge on the way out.

    Have Scotch go after the Comm Tower, Sandy go after the water supply, with OP providing CAP. This only works if the two targets are fairly close together. Lets hope they are.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/11/10(Sun)23:40 No.9137112
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    I'm not sure we want to split anyone up solo when we know there is enemy air assets working, the enemy knows they're dealing with hostile aircraft now, and that we have a possible enemy MAS in the theater.

    No one flies alone I'd say, meaning a Trio and a pair.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/11/10(Sun)23:42 No.9137153
    I've got them paired or tripled up. Anyone good with google mapping should take a look at those coordinates and see how close the comm tower and the water plants are.
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    Ah yeah, misread that last part.
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    >Badgers living in the exhaust and wasp nests in the radar cones.

    It's a little-known fact that Soviet engineers designed their aircraft to provide habitat for badgers and wasps and yet still be able to fly.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/11/10(Sun)23:47 No.9137234
    Hmm nevermind...i looked em up. The comm tower and the water plants are about 20km apart...not to bad. OP can loiter between the two and react quickly to any threat that materializes.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)23:47 No.9137247
    They seem pretty close, but I'm not sure.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/11/10(Sun)23:50 No.9137287

    Hell even the airfield is pretty close...can't be more than 40km from the field to either of the other targets. They'll all be very close to one another, practically just across the backyard in terms of flight times.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)23:52 No.9137321
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    Yay! Planes and Mercs thread is back!
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)23:52 No.9137329
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    Had a hard time resisting the mental picture. Also, Judge might technically be French-Canadian if I recall.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)23:53 No.9137346
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    Shit is really wild now. The Russkies are sending you in essentially blind, into what will be a developing ground combat situation. Sure as shit the enemy merc group will be mobilizing ground-attack strikes, and since they know you're in the area, they'll be ready and waiting this time.

    My suggestion is to pack light and go fast. You only have one target that requires precision ordinance delivery- I'd ask if the Spetznaz could tape a laser designator to a tree and keep the commo tower lit for you; then you could just roll in with two 500 lb bombs with laser guidance kits (they're not that expensive, really,) drop them with your nose on the tower, and you're golden. No need to pack six bombs for a ripple-fire strike, or whatever.

    The reservoirs are going to be a bitch. "Multiple passes needed?" With multiple hostile SAMs and air in the area? At this point I'd be inclined to tell the Russian Federation to do it's own fucking suicide mission. Perhaps have everyone who can do air-to-ground worth a damn pack one or two of the chemical bombs, so you can all do a single collective pass. You only need one plane with a camera pod.

    The weight you save going light on ords should be somewhat put towards air-to-air weapons and ECM pods. You're going to need to GTFO quite fast, and/or fight your way out.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)23:54 No.9137358
    This reminds me of Ken "Barbie" Dahl...
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/11/10(Sun)23:55 No.9137374
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    red is the airfield, yellow is the comm tower, and orange is the water plant.
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    I like this.
    We also have to worry about how much ground fire they might end up taking.
    >> planefag 04/11/10(Sun)23:55 No.9137382
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    ^ (forgot my namefaggin)

    I'd prioritize a low-level recon pass of that damn airfield, so you can finally know who you're up against. Personally, I'd be HIGHLY tempted to have the wingman follow up with a few cluster bombs on the goddamn field, if not an iron bomb on the runway, but that might violate your OPSEC (boo fucking hoo, Russia.) Still, I'd SERIOUSLY CONSIDER it.

    Your other option is to have at least half or three/fourths of your force loaded for mostly airsup, come in high, and clear the sector right before your strike package hits, but coming in high invites SAMs, which Hugs can attest they certainly have.

    All in all, I'd say- remember you can't spend money if you're dead.

    Also, the drawfag in these threads is god-tier. Case in point, >>9137329 Dude, like, goddamn. That might be my new phone desktop.
    >> Anonymous 04/11/10(Sun)23:57 No.9137424
    This thread has generated shitawesome drawings. Op, I don't know who you are, or when you first showed up on four chan, but your first thread changed 4 chan for the better.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)00:02 No.9137531
    Still don't know? It was used extensively...
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)00:03 No.9137543

    post the pic again, perhaps? didn't see it last thread.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)00:05 No.9137585
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:06 No.9137603
    I think I used to have a book on it. 50s aircraft with rocket pods on the wing tips...made for takin out flights of tightly packed bombers.

    Or am I thinking of something else?
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)00:06 No.9137604
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    I'm lazy, and not inclined to flip through my outdated 1990s copy of Jane's fighting aircraft. Or do much internet searching.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:06 No.9137608

    Nope nevermind...I guessed wrong.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)00:08 No.9137632

    Nearly 700 Units produced.
    Served with two nations.
    Was operational until 1981.
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)00:09 No.9137650
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    Tickles my brain. Makes me think "Tupolev" for some reason.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:09 No.9137665
    Two nations huh? UK and Canada? UK and Australia?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)00:10 No.9137675
    Both were Western Countries. One of them produced the plane.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:11 No.9137698
    Ok so most likely UK then. Canada next with France also being a possibility in my mind. Course I could be totally wrong and it could be a US plane i'm not familiar with. Unlikely though.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:14 No.9137751
    Gah...wanna say Avro something...
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)00:14 No.9137752
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    She said it wasn't British, so I just gave up at that point because I'm not that well versed in Jets.

    Now if it had been a Bf108 or P-26 or Gloster Gladiator or some obscure prop plane I might've got it.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)00:15 No.9137762
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    I still think it looks like a Meteor though.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:16 No.9137777
    Oh...not British? Must have missed that. I was about to suggest a modified Blackburn Buccaneer.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)00:17 No.9137788

    2 countries only rules out the Starfighter.

    I'm guessing the CF-100 Canuck?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:17 No.9137794
    Wait...Buccaneer only served with the Brits and South Africa...so...maybe?
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)00:18 No.9137809

    Was used by Canada and Belgium. Also, the intakes are quite distinctive, I knew I had seen them before.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:18 No.9137820
    Canuck it is apparently...at least with the visuals i've got of it.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)00:19 No.9137837

    Also, it was to be retired in 1981 in favour of the Avro Arrow, which never ended up getting produced, and as a result the Canadian aerospace industry went bust and Canadians started buying American, starting with the Voodoo.
    >> ELLIPSE 04/12/10(Mon)00:20 No.9137844
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    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)00:20 No.9137848
    Makes me sad every time I think about it.
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)00:21 No.9137854
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    meh, I give up. Jets are not my specialty. Gimme a one-second snapshot glimpse of a Bf-109 and I can usually peg it as a Friedrich or a Gustav, but jets just ain't my bag, baby.

    Now I know why I thought "Tupolev," it was that nose. What really annoys is the side-fuselage mounted engines/intakes, which is reminiscent of any number of US Navy fighters of the 50s, but... clearly isn't.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:21 No.9137858
    Hmm interesting. And I was apparently right about the Avro bit...just got the country wrong.

    And Woot for the Voodoo!
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)00:21 No.9137863
    Yep, CF-100 Canuck.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)00:23 No.9137890
    I am not a violent girl, but I'd stab diefenbaker in the face.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)00:23 No.9137906
    Wish OP commented more in the planning threads than in the mission threads, instead of just mining for ideas (which is still awesome when we see them implemented, but still).

    What's the replacement plane for sukhoi's favorite bird going to be? And is the Viggen getting repaired, replaced, or what?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:29 No.9138000

    As cool as the Viggen is it took a pasting last mission. It should be ditched. Hugs should simply buy an upgrade of his old aircraft.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/12/10(Mon)00:30 No.9138020
    The Viggen is too damaged to be used so Scotch is buying a cheapy MiG-23 with an upgrade package. I offered to lend him my Phantom but he doesn't like twin engine jets, he thinks they look ugly.

    Bearhug isn't sure, he might get an SU-30 or a -33. If he got the -30 it's cheaper, but he needs to get an upgrade package.
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)00:33 No.9138054
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    >I offered to lend him my Phantom but he doesn't like twin engine jets, he thinks they look ugly.
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)00:34 No.9138080
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    Also, I like this game. Here's one from an era that 1. usually throws me for plane ID's and 2. produced a startling amount of planes that looked this wicked.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)00:35 No.9138090
    That's like only liking girls with one buttock.

    Tell him he's a pervert.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)00:35 No.9138100
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    >he doesn't like twin engine jets, he thinks they look ugly

    Now that is just stupid.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)00:35 No.9138102
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    Sup, CF-100 here. Only Canadian fighter to be mass produced. Also by Avro, the guys that WOULD have brought you the Arrow.

    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)00:36 No.9138109
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    Oh god. Su-33, nearly the best Flanker flying today. It has, uhmm, an effect on me.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)00:38 No.9138133
    Easy, TU-22 Blinder, developed later into the TU-22M -26 Backfire
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)00:38 No.9138135

    FUCK, beaten
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)00:38 No.9138140
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    I wonder if any dogfights between these two occurred, doubt it, both too rare at the end of the war.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)00:40 No.9138174
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    A Flogger huh? Cool. Not the best choice but its kinda cool. And while I enjoy two engined aircraft I've gotta admit I like more single engined aircraft then I do dual engined.

    I'll leave the SU stuff to Sukhoi since she seems to be having...some kind of fit.
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)00:43 No.9138209
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    Queen of the "slavshit" indeed, I am impressed. *claps*

    I was surprised when I learned of this things existence. It's... so sleek and swift-looking. Like a lot of 50's jet fighters and bombers, it has a really striking appearance. Pic highly related.

    Didn't actually enter production, but it's so freaky looking I post it given half an excuse anyways.
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)00:44 No.9138232

    er, the Tu-22 is sleek and swift, the above pic is "striking."
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)00:45 No.9138249
    Ilyushin Il-40

    Nato codename "Brawny"
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)00:48 No.9138281
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    Goddamn you're good, even got the reporting name.

    Was your father or some close relation a pilot, or did you jump into plane love all on your own?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)00:50 No.9138332
    My dad is a pilot, two of his brothers are pilots, and the third is a navigator. My mother got her private pilots when she was 18.
    One of my grandfathers was an aircraft mechanic and the other flew for the RAF in WW2.
    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/12/10(Mon)00:51 No.9138340
    Arma's being stupid
    all I want to do is dogfight some F-35's and an SU-34, however, due to the STUPID on behalf of both the devs and the airforce, the F-35 is only carrying two AIM-9's, and a couple of laser-guided bombs.
    Now, the real problem is that the SU-34 is carrying FOUR slavshit R-73s, and thus can pretty much fucking dominate the F-35s.
    Also it's virtually impossible to get a cannon kill, you can do it, but it's thousands of times more likely to just run out of ammo because the F-35 only holds 300 gau-12 rounds flfblfblfgbmlfgb
    fuck it I'll just pit the faggot SU-34 against some F-14s
    that will teach his bitch ass to carry four rockets
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)00:52 No.9138345
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    My turn.

    Not a production model, prototype of sorts.
    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/12/10(Mon)00:53 No.9138367
    sorry MISSILES
    >> ELLIPSE 04/12/10(Mon)00:56 No.9138404
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    That isn't possible heresy...

    that's confirmed HERESY.


    oh well... what about a Viper?
    >No, the F-16, not the car!


    Out of my field of knowledge...
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)00:57 No.9138425
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    That's awesome.

    My family history is obsessed with *horses.* My next door neighbor/godfather was a freight pilot, and he got me infected.

    What'd your grandfather fly? And what'd the other one work on?
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)00:58 No.9138439
    Which goes faster? The car or the plane?
    >> ELLIPSE 04/12/10(Mon)00:59 No.9138454

    Which goes faster, the European Swallow or the African Swallow?
    >> Dastard Bastard !aYK4KNSE9U 04/12/10(Mon)01:03 No.9138503
    Are you insinuating that they migrate?
    >> ELLIPSE 04/12/10(Mon)01:03 No.9138512
    Not at all!

    They could be carrying coconuts!
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)01:06 No.9138554
    Timber Terror, aka Mosquito.
    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/12/10(Mon)01:06 No.9138558
    what the FFFFFF
    Ok fuck it I'll just plop me down on a runway and him in the air already

    Aaannndddd he's got me by the ass while I'm on the tarmac and doesn't shoot
    First sidewinder goes wide
    second hits home
    no chute
    one less SU-34 to fuck up my beautiful skies
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)01:07 No.9138564

    Damn, I've seen that thing, too. Just can't remember who made it, or I could look up the model number.
    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/12/10(Mon)01:08 No.9138571
    maybe I'll pit an iranian AIM-54 carrying F-14 against a harrier next
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)01:10 No.9138610
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    So... what're you playing? ARMA? Armed Assault? Isn't that more of an ground warfare simulator with mediocre at best flight physics?
    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/12/10(Mon)01:13 No.9138656
    Arma 2, actually.
    And yeah it's probably sub-par.
    Still fun though.
    Unless some iranian fuck in an F-14 blasts you from across the horizon with an AIM-54
    Why'd I put his skill so high
    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/12/10(Mon)01:15 No.9138685
    Hehe, not so tough when you're target's on the tarmac, are you?
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)01:17 No.9138713

    This is what it made me think of:


    Though that- and the later XP-50 developed from it- both have twin-boomed tails.
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)01:19 No.9138734
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    He was in the thick of it, then.

    Mmmm, Mossies.
    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/12/10(Mon)01:19 No.9138738
    Fuck that was a major brain malfunction
    Not so tough when your target ISN'T on the tarmac*
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)01:25 No.9138815
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    Oh you think that's bad? Try playing Aces High sometime and having a field capped by vulchers waiting to blast you before you can start taxiing. Or better yet,up a P-40 and watch all the spitdweeb newbies come swarming in to nail the "easy meat."
    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/12/10(Mon)01:28 No.9138852
    Is that an MMO WWII plane sim?
    P.s. two AIM-54 F-14s will wipe the floor with six SU-25s
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)01:30 No.9138891
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    Eh, too hard trying to polish up the first one, so just started again from scratch.
    >> planefag 04/12/10(Mon)01:31 No.9138908

    >Is that an MMO WWII plane sim?

    Yes, it is. It's got a few faults, first, it's an MMO, so you get all the same retards (HURDURR JOUSTING) and secondly, it falls into the old developer trap of "the p-51 wasn't THAT good." White men cannot jump, and apparently the P-51 could not turn. It is faithfully modeled as such.

    >two airsup fighters with standoff weapons will wipe the floor with subsonic ground attack fighters with no air-to-air radar

    No shit, really?
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)01:31 No.9138917

    >> Sauber !f1v85QnTcU 04/12/10(Mon)01:33 No.9138942
    Although you have to understand, sometimes I'll set up 3 F-35s and an SU-25, put myself in the SU-25, and kill the F-35s despite them having a similar armament.
    Matter of AI, really.
    Especially considering my AI wingman only downed one and I killed the other five.
    AI problems, really.
    >> Dastard Bastard !aYK4KNSE9U 04/12/10(Mon)01:34 No.9138961
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    See pic
    >> Blacksheepcannibal 04/12/10(Mon)01:38 No.9139039
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    Always more fun to guess an airframe based on cockpit, although the variant is more difficult.

    I really wish 1c would give a Su-27 variant (Su-37 would really be a flying orgasm) the same loving treatment they gave the Ka-50. I'd also kill for a two-player co-op flight sim for all the two-seater fighters - F-15E, F-18E/F, Su-30MK, Su-34, et al.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)03:03 No.9140469
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    Whoops, sorry guys, got distracted writting a way TL:DR summary of the entire Rogue Trader game I'm in. Not that anyone is going to read it.

    Anyways >>9138713 Thats incorrect. Its a really obscure plane, and I used a crappy photo, but I can't find anything better. Honestly it was probably too difficult, I'll just tell you what it is if you want.

    I figured it'd either be stupidly easy or brutally hard.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)05:06 No.9141934
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    Looks like everyone went to bed. I should as well.

    Hopefully this'll be here tomorrow.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)05:32 No.9142194
    Have a bump.

    Because I like our resident fligh/tg/unners.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)05:46 No.9142338
    Planes & Mercs needs a themesong.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)06:33 No.9142743
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    >> ELLIPSE 04/12/10(Mon)06:50 No.9142879
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    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)07:36 No.9143366

    Rewrite of either Danger Zone, Aces High or... *shrugs*
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)08:17 No.9143838
    How about "Bloodshot"

    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)08:39 No.9144016
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    I wonder how much the MiG-23 cost Scotch, the Russians have 500+ in cold reserve.

    It's a capable airframe, with updates to the electronics. Actually, it's remarkably similar to the Viggen, with a single massive engine, STOL performance, and similar air to air payloads.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)08:44 No.9144070
    When they eval'd it, it beat the F-16 and F/A-18 in most areas, including Vertical, accel, horizontal turning, and BVR combat capability.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)08:45 No.9144091

    It was built as an interceptor first-and-foremost.

    OP, what was the upgrade? General improvements or something to give it more multi-role capability, ie. Flogger-J
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)08:47 No.9144100
    I'm not sure about turning, but the rest I would agree with. The MiG-23 was light, and overpowered. It also carried the typical massive search radar with LD/SD capability the Russians loved.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)08:49 No.9144127
    Any chance to get a Gripen?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)08:50 No.9144140
    Scotch needs to work on not getting blown out of the sky first. That way he can save up cash to buy a nice modern jet. Like a Fulcrum.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:08 No.9144329
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    Is there a way to play this online?
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:12 No.9144379
    If there is, I haven't found it. I'd kill to play online though.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:19 No.9144441
    Uhh, so let me get this straight, your mission is to poison the water supply?

    Yeah, I can already see why the Russians hired you.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:20 No.9144449
    I like the pair hitting the field and Baron loitering while the remaining two hit the water, sound like a good plan.
    Heavy on the EC and AtA.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)09:20 No.9144453

    I talked to one of my friends about making a java client for it, but he's usually a lazy dick...so we'll see how that turns out.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:26 No.9144504
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    Aces high is pretty cash if you can get over the somewhat quaint graphics.

    My most memorable moment is getting more air to air kills sortieing as a single flight of Ju-88s than I ever did in a fighter.

    I'll admit I was flying as Ju-88s mostly for the lulz (its a fun plane to fly), but the low level approach to the interceptor base harrying our forces was also sound as it took the long way around to an angle where there would likely to be little traffic. And the load out and speed of the Ju-88 makes it capable as an anti runway denial platform (if inferior to the B-26) anyway.

    What little traffic there was flew at high altitude and was completely oblivious to my nervous flighty situation. Any one could sound the alarm, or just dive at me and pluck away at the sorta fragile Ju-88s in my flight, and make the whole mission botched.

    Coming to the target, I flare up for some precious altitude. This would prove to be critical.

    There were lots of 'LOL easy meat newbs' that happened to spot me as I got closer. They all were trying to climb and approach at the same time from the rear. As they got smarter, I put the formation into a steady dive toward the target to make my top speed a little higher than normal.

    Still, they approach from below making drawing a bead of fire incredibly easy.

    Guns blazing, I ran out of ammo before they shot me down. It was almost a 5-1 plane trading ratio. 'Epic' doesn't even begin to describe the series of gun duels and desperate fiddling to keep all the planes aloft.

    At one point, down to one plane, I flew to the deck so that the last gun with ammo (top side) could get some defiant shots off.

    Though I did drop the bombs, the real damage was done with the kills and distracting the interceptors long enough for my team to cap the nearby town.

    Many salutes were had from the opposing team.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:31 No.9144563
    When I first read the Judge drawfag request description, I pictured a huge, hundreds of feet talkk Judge-spectre in gown and wig, with gavel and pilot helmet, bringing the gavel down on an exploding F15 in midair.
    Photshop faggotry to follow.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:43 No.9144695
    OK, this thread makes me want to get my jet on.

    Suggestions? Games? Vidya?
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:48 No.9144763
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    Pic sorta related.

    That sort of dynamic, only Judge is a huge figure towering over the Georgian countryside with a bridge and comms tower in the background, and a wig.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:48 No.9144770
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    Oddly appropriate...
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:53 No.9144825
    What is the difference between the SU-30 and -33? They look the same to me.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)09:55 No.9144838
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    Pose related.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)09:55 No.9144843

    Study sims: Falcon 4.0: Allied Force, Jane's F-15 and/or F/A-18.

    Simple shit to dick around with: Any Ace Combat, Tom Clancy's H.A.W.X., Ysflight

    Some people might suggest Lock On: Modern Air Combat, but that game uses Starforce DRM; so keep that in mind if you want to try it.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)10:00 No.9144889
    LOMAC is worth it.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)10:00 No.9144892

    I've had much fun cruising in Liberators, fighters come up right behind you for an easy kill, BAM! a dozen .50's get all up in his grill. Once got 8 kills before I reach IP, all 3 bombers dumped their loads on the hangars, then got jumped by another 3 fighters and their flak. That finally got my flight.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)10:02 No.9144911
    IL-2 is awesome for dealing with idiots. Most of them can't get their planes into the air.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)10:18 No.9145057
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    Get this.

    It's stealth, is fast, turns harder than anything in the group.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)10:21 No.9145088

    It also carries jack shit internally and carrying things externally negates the stealth.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/12/10(Mon)10:25 No.9145131

    or you could just pay a little extra and have a F-22 and then proceed to kill and rape everything in the sky.

    or get the cheaper and better PAK FA.

    or by a RC jet. it makes more sense than the F-35.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)10:31 No.9145189
    Just to suit the spirit of the thread, and the awesome drawfaggery.


    You don't mess with the Baron.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)10:41 No.9145317
    You know the F-35 that the Marines and the Navy use will not have an internal gun, right?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:00 No.9145535
    With the amount of crap they've jammed in to that frame something had to go I suppose.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:00 No.9145540
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    33? Shit's expensive, I'd expect a price tag nearing 40 million. It's a neat bird though. Too neat to be thrown at suicide missions, I might say.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)11:01 No.9145547

    At least the version with the external gun pod will have more ammo.

    But all it really has going for it is stealth and electronic warfare dickery.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:02 No.9145566
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    Posting more inappropriate Japanese revisions of fighter planes to celebrate the possible introduction of a SU-33 to the wing, anyway.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:09 No.9145664
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    Well if we're gonna dive into Weapon-tans i'm all in.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:10 No.9145672
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:11 No.9145679
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    Here's one for the Meteor lover.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:12 No.9145688
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    And one for the guy who suggested the F35
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:13 No.9145696
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    And here's the F32, the much mi lined competition.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:14 No.9145708
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    One for us Starfighter freaks.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:16 No.9145726
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    Fuck yeah SuperHind!
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:16 No.9145733
    I'd hit it with my sidewinder, if you know what I mean.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:17 No.9145737
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    Another F35/F32 pic
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:18 No.9145745
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    And here's the aircraft the F35 is "reportedly" replacing.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:19 No.9145756
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    Daw...cute little dragonfly.

    (sorry people, i'm sick so i'm a little on the weird side this morning)
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:20 No.9145770
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    Here's one for OP.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:21 No.9145781
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    Here's another Harrier
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:23 No.9145798
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    Here's a collection of them.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:24 No.9145810
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    Separated at birth?
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)11:24 No.9145811


    Heh. I know Boeing brings a lot of income into our state, but I'm still glad we didn't go with that thing.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:25 No.9145821
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    Silly Lightning...droptanks don't go on top of the wing.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:25 No.9145829
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    Here's another for the ME262 lover.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:26 No.9145841
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    aaaaaand one for the F22 freak(s)
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:27 No.9145846
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    Tomcat lovers...here's yours.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:28 No.9145859
    Weeaboo fagots I have one question to ask.

    Why are these little plane girls generally lacking pants?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:29 No.9145864
    And that's it for jet aircraft. And thats only scratching the surface of my Weapon-tan folder. Lots of ships and prop aircraft left in there for another day.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:29 No.9145867
    Dynamic entry/mid-air refuel.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:29 No.9145874
    no clue sir.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)11:33 No.9145915

    Because Japan loves being creepy.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:35 No.9145935
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    fap fap fap fap fap-

    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:37 No.9145954
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    ... ... ...
    ... fapfapfap...
    >> COMMISSAR FORON !!y4krTe8P2kd 04/12/10(Mon)11:41 No.9145981
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    you flying faggots! get the fuck down now!
    >> ELLIPSE 04/12/10(Mon)11:41 No.9145984
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    because there's no room for pants?


    I'm not quite sure; go ask /a/

    >who will then proceed to forward you to /m/ (for MECHA MUSUME), who will most likely call you out on so-called "moe-shit."

    In other news, Vipers...

    >wait a second...

    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:42 No.9145998
    lots of legroom... maybe
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:42 No.9146000
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    One last one for the Russian lovers.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)11:43 No.9146007
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    Because bare legs are sexy? I dunno, was gonna make a joke about pants not being aerodynamic but I couldn't think of anything good.

    My only problem with these is most of the art is mediocre. Plus my rational side thinks they all look silly, even if viewed as some fancy flying power armor or something.

    So what is worse? A Jet Girl or a Girl Jet?
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:44 No.9146013
    >mid air refuel
    I don't want to know how this works.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:45 No.9146032
    I just like em cause they're a smexy blend of military and anime.

    But really they're just fun...no real purpose.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:46 No.9146037
    >So what is worse? A Jet Girl or a Girl Jet?
    Both need to die in a fire.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:47 No.9146050
    >It only appeals to pedophile weeaboo fagots.
    It all makes sense now!
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)11:48 No.9146067
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    That's not a Vipah.

    Now that's a Vipah!
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:50 No.9146095

    Way to fag up a great thread asshole.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:51 No.9146097

    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:52 No.9146122
    Why does Japan fuck over everything I love? First they make the F-2, the biggest piece of shit flying today. Then they combine pedophilia with jet airplanes.

    I hate you Japan. We should have finished the job in 1945.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:53 No.9146140
    I only started cause someone else posted the first ones. How is this any different than the threads filled with people coming up with backgrounds for aircraft based on women's lives?
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:53 No.9146142
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    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:54 No.9146152
    That was actually interesting and topical. It taught people about the planes in a funny and inventive way. And it was full of in-jokes.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)11:55 No.9146157

    A third nuke would have only made them creepier.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)11:56 No.9146174
    How is this not topical?
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)11:56 No.9146182
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    Man has a point, the Japanese just drew them instead of verbalizing them.

    Not my thing though.

    Anyways, let's not drag a nice Mercs/Planes down everybody.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)11:59 No.9146216
    Because it is shitty japanese mecha art. We sexualized the planes, but we didn't attach them to a 12 year old girl. The plane was a plane, how it felt/handled gave it personality. What your drawings are, is some bizarre fetish for kids with wings strapped on.

    And yes, I do hate anime and pretty much everything Japan has given the world.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)12:00 No.9146230
    Yeah i'm done.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)12:01 No.9146236

    Agreed, Skyhawk and Anon need to make like a Mk.82 and drop it.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)12:01 No.9146243
    To each his own. I'm done arguing.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:02 No.9146245
    What? No fucking way. I thought the navy learned their lesson after Vietnam and the phantom escapade...
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)12:03 No.9146266
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    This is true, I'm not at all an expert on jets and modern air warfare, but it seems not putting a cannon on a ground attack craft is a bit odd.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)12:04 No.9146278
    Oh but the F35 will never have to see its enemy. Its missiles will take care of the enemy before they ever see it. Stop worrying...its like you don't think we've fixed all the problems with our missiles or something.

    >> ELLIPSE 04/12/10(Mon)12:04 No.9146279
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    wait, when did alternate paintjobs impact plane stats?


    I swear to god if they aren't funding an Ace Combat anime with all that DLC money...
    >It's probably going into the "make sure Ace Combat Joint Strike/Assault/Whatever is gonna be awesome" fund... Oh well, win/win?


    don't you know?

    Missiles win wars! Dogfighting is an antiquated obsolete element of air combat anyway. Why bother with a weapon that only works at close range when you can fire and forget?

    >(guy in back of room): Well, there WAS the F-4...
    >QUIET YOU!!!!
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)12:05 No.9146286
    I hop on, and this is what I see?

    The F-35 pisses me off. Mostly because my nation wants to get them. At least we'll get the best of the three, the A model, which has a cannon.

    The cannon was omitted from the B and C to save weight.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)12:07 No.9146296

    Like I said, they'll have external gun pods.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)12:07 No.9146301
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    The worse part is the new weapon ammo counts are apparently the girl's height and 3-sizes. Clever or creepy? Both I say.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)12:08 No.9146315
    I've given up, couldn't figure it out.

    The badge means it is American, the cockpit shape reminds me of Vought/Fairchild/Grumman. But I couldn't figure it out beyond that. I didn't check Curtiss out.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:13 No.9146371
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    ... girl? You mean that handsome young lad painted on the wing?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)12:15 No.9146398
    The Raptor is so dead. He's about to discover what 180 degrees off-boresight means...
    >> ELLIPSE 04/12/10(Mon)12:16 No.9146409
    ...but doesn't the F-35 suck against ground targets?

    That's what the F-15E (and, in extreme cases, the A-10) is for, right?

    you sure it isn't just to quickly dismantle and reverse engineer anything out of it?

    (like there's much to learn from the budget Raptor...)

    de Havilland Mosquito?
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:21 No.9146444
    Jesus Christ we shouldn't have droped nukes we should have performed some long lasting biological warfare against their foodstock. This shit shouldn't exist.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:22 No.9146453
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    I love how these threads always continue for about three days after OP Again leaves, and always with the same meaningless content.

    And by 'I love', I mean it irritates the fuck out of me.
    I have to trawl through the same arguments about how American planes are different to Russian planes, while European planes are also frequently dissimilar, but in different ways, just in case I miss something interesting about OPs mission, or a great piece of write- or draw-faggotry.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)12:22 No.9146457

    AHHHHHH! What sort of shit is this?
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)12:22 No.9146459
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    Nah, its Mobius One, he's got plot armor out the wazoo.


    Now thats just cold.


    Nope, the big fat star on the side should tell you its American. I'll give a hint, its less a newly built prototype and more of a modified testbed of an existing plane. This is perhaps where it was unfair.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)12:23 No.9146466

    >save space.

    Fixed it for you. The little plane has a fucking huge radar that can jam enemy radar and scan at the same time, a useful feature if you ask me. Though, it would be a lot more useful if the damn thing carried more than two missiles.

    The external gun pods will be better since you get more than half a second of cannon fire, the F-35A only has 180 rounds in it.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)12:28 No.9146509
    It's to save Weight, a cannon and rounds are heavy. The heavier gear on the C model and the lift ducts on the B model added weight, the cannon, as well as some fuel tanks and what not were removed to compensate.

    Also, the Radar on it will suck, it's outdated, and not much better than that on a Super Hornet. Its raw power output is pretty low. And an external gunpod negates the low observable features of the plane.

    Some of us find the planefap just as much fun as Op's game.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:31 No.9146543
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    You say that like it'll mean anything in the end.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)12:33 No.9146558

    Where do you get information on the power and ability of its radar? Honestly asking here because i'm interested. Sources plz.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)12:39 No.9146633
    Well, I can't tell you all my sources, legally.

    But as a good starting block: http://www.ausairpower.net/ is very strong in their analysis, and it is free. They are biased towards the F-22, and dislike the procurement dept in Aus, but once you know that, the rest is pretty good.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:44 No.9146682
    Poor baby, having to watch other people enjoy themselves.

    Could do with less "OH GOD I DON'T LIKE THESE COMICS, JAPANESE PEOPLE MUST BE EXTERMINATED" though. Both funny and worrying, how little it takes for some people to get genocidal.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:44 No.9146689


    Libel is a civil matter.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:48 No.9146718
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:49 No.9146730
    Based on Sukhoi's knowledge, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say she knows what shes talking about.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)12:52 No.9146767

    What? Thats not a Gundam.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:54 No.9146788
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    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)12:58 No.9146853
    That's why we have the F-22 and won't sell it to anyone else.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:00 No.9146884
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    In this case, it's better not to ask.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)13:04 No.9146924

    First paragraph: Ah, okay then. Sounds reasonable.

    Second paragraph: I'm not about to get into an argument with someone who already has her mind made up about something not even I like, so go ahead and take that one.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:09 No.9146996
    Well, yeah, I wasn't suggesting guy's stop it, it's actually quite nice to see conversation happening between knowledgeable fanboys, but it irritates the fuck out of me that I have to track through it all to find the RPG content.

    Just venting, really.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)13:10 No.9147010
    Ok thats a bit worrisome that you've got data you can't share. Thanks for the link though.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:12 No.9147020
    Nanoha comes to be known as the White Devil in the series IIRC. That's probably what he means. And that's not mentioning the fact she could rape a Gundam.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)13:14 No.9147052

    At least you can get the reader's digest version on 1d4chan.

    I admit that's usually where I go for all the info on the game since there are so many distractions going on in these threads.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:14 No.9147053
    F3 for op again, or scroll looking for compact, unparagraphed blocks of text.

    Much more agreeable than shitting your dog in the communal sandbox. Ain't got pity to spare if you haven't that much decency.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)13:17 No.9147082

    Also, you sure are one to talk about bias.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)13:27 No.9147204
    I'm pretty sure that other than some general statements, I can't talk about performance of certain systems in the detail I could. It's not some super secret conspiracy though, a quick browse through Jane's or Defence News will get you within 80~90% of the actual specs for aircraft and systems.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:31 No.9147269
    Well, I like seeing people plan through various permutations of a mission strategy, and then getting the OP's view on it, so I don't want to skip huge chunks.
    But the kiddie-planes is a bridge too far.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)13:36 No.9147328
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    Eh, thats been the only real big instance of that, and hopefully it won't happen again.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:39 No.9147362
    Probably will, but it won't ruin the thread.
    It was just enough to push me over the edge into internet rage guy, this first time.
    I was unprepared for creepy sexualised nine-year-olds with jet engines.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)13:46 No.9147436
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    Eh, these days this old pic is sad-but-true.

    Well, maybe not the laughing part.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:49 No.9147470
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    I laugh everyday as I post, it's so much fun.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:50 No.9147482
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    Don't worry you get used to it, or at least create internalized rationalizations.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)13:51 No.9147495

    Ok ok I get the point. No cared for my contributions so I shouldn't post anymore. Won't happen again. You can stop shaking your heads at it now...
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:52 No.9147507
    I laughed as I read it, but I could have written it just as well. Apart from the soul part, which I haven't believed in since the latter stages of my childhood.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:54 No.9147541
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    Slaughter and laughter? Gee, what's on the radio~
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)13:55 No.9147556
    It's true of most people these days.
    Or anyone that keeps up with the news, anyway.
    Just to varying extents.

    Goddmanit I'm too high for this shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:00 No.9147602
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    I'm sure all the people who liked them are too busy fapping to thank you right now.

    You guys getting all NUKE JAPAN AGAIN haven't been on 4chan long, I take it? Those jetgirls are pretty tame even by /tg/'s supposedly-blue-board standards.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:04 No.9147652
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:07 No.9147684
    The problem with all the commentary on the F-35 and F-22 is that nobody here has any clue how good their stealth qualities are, and anybody with the security clearance to know damn well isn't going to be posting that data online.

    We know that F-35's stealth is worse than the F-22's, but how much worse? Does the F-22 look like a gnat on radar, while the F-35 looks like a small bird? How far out can an F-35 be detected with modern radars as opposed to an F-22? We don't know, and anybody who claims to know is either lying or willing to blow their security clearance to win a debate on 4chan.

    There are also a lot of details about stealth and radar physics that we don't know about. Does increasing a radar's power make it more likely to detect a stealth plane, or does it just increase the radar's range? Is it possible that a weaker radar with a better computer is actually better, because it has less noise to deal with and is harder to pick up with passive detection?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)14:08 No.9147692
    Meh. I know there are browsers here that don't care a whit about Japan(seems a bit odd since this is 4chan) so i'm not terribly surprised people objected to my contributions. But its true...these boards are pretty blatant with their graphic images/topics but when you look at the state the world is in this stuff can seem down right tame in some cases. Not saying its a good thing...just making an observation.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:13 No.9147722
    Point well made. While watching southpark recently I came away suddenly stunned over the amount of things they get away with - and the stuff they don't censor from movies.

    It's a trend toward vulgarity that our culture marches to with certainty. I'm sure one day there will be a report on the desensitizing nature of modern media and it will justify some of this argument.
    Whether it will have an effect on the media zeitgeist is something that remains to be seen.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:13 No.9147723
    What the fuck's even the point in that

    you can't get at her pussy
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)14:18 No.9147766

    I had heard about an F-117 that was shot down in 1999 by a SAM that was using longer than usual wavelengths, or at least that's what the official story is.

    It might be possible to build on that to create a radar that can pick up stealth aircraft. Then we'd have to go back to square one.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:21 No.9147803
    Wavelengths nothing, the Americans just used the same fucking flight paths.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)14:23 No.9147823
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    This really isn't the thread for such a discussion.

    For the record I didn't care about the mechamesume, I just wanted to keep the thread from sliding into a shithole.

    Anyways I'll shut up now. Maybe play some MAS, haven't touched that in a while. Fun if simplistic game.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)14:23 No.9147829
    So i suppose there's something to the more radical Muslim concerns about western culture after all. Listening to a five year old swearing at his mother on mass transit or being disgusted with the trend towards slutty childrens clothing is pretty common for me now. Hard to imagine where we'll be twenty years down the line if this trend continues. I suppose there could be a return to conservatism at some point...but what kind of conservatism?

    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:23 No.9147830
    As I got it, it was a lucky shot at that and one of many that were blind fired.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:25 No.9147849
    Have the whole story:

    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:26 No.9147871
    Having been to some muslim countries, Egypt more than anything, the trend is similar out there. It's all relative.

    But I would not be at all surprised if things slid back to conservative attitudes after the american lifestyle of debt and decadence collapses.

    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)14:27 No.9147882
    As far as I can tell Stealth is becoming less useful considering how powerful and broad spectrumed modern radar has gotten. Perhaps stealth will be just another fad until someone produces a truly invisible(in all ways) aircraft.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)14:28 No.9147889
    Thanks. Interesting read.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)14:36 No.9147976

    I've heard lots of rumors about plasma research and how it could make a shield that could not only absorb radar, but vaporize missiles and other projectiles before it hits the jet its self. Very sci-fi sounding stuff.

    But that technology is still in its infancy.


    Thank you!
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)14:37 No.9147983
    Russian BVR combat is based on this idea.

    Two part approach. Knock out AWACS, Burn through stealth with advanced radar.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)14:41 No.9148031
    >Zoltan figured out how to tweak his radars to get a better lock on stealth type targets. This has not been discussed openly.

    Heh, that's the politest/gentlest way I've heard that fact presented.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)14:41 No.9148037
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    It'd be totally awesome if somehow Radar could be nerfed and missiles totally neutered.

    Oh yeah! Back to guns only dogfighting!

    Won't happen.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:43 No.9148075

    That was kind of my point. How broad of a spectrum does stealth defend against? We don't know. Does radar power matter for anything except range? We don't know. What countermeasures are being developed to combat stealth? We don't know. First-generation stealth was overwhelmingly powerful the first time it was used, and it's reasonable to assume current-generation stealth technology is even better. But it's also reasonable to assume people have been working on countermeasures since then. The power of the F-22 and F-35 will depend almost entirely on how effective their stealth is. I'm inclined to think we've been giving the F-35 less credit than it deserves (unless it's the export model), but like everybody else on this board I have know way to *know*. It all comes down to hunches and personal preference.

    I'm sure people high up enough in the defense industry either know or have good guesses, but I'm also sure none of them are retarded enough to post that kind of data where a non-cleared individual can read it.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)14:46 No.9148112
    Yeah radar technology is gonna be out pacing stealth technology for a good many years yet. I'm personally in favor of powerful "burn out their senors" radar. I've just never found stealth to be that cool I guess...There will either be a ton of powerful radar hammering away at you making your stealth useless or almost none at all so why bother?
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)14:51 No.9148166

    And there's always the possibility that the information we do have access to could be falsified, not just with the idea of beefing up expectations beyond what they really are to intimidate, but even downplaying specs just to lead other nations into a false sense of security; as highly unlikely that may be.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)14:54 No.9148226
    But ultimately, it's up to the pilot as to whether a plane is effective or not. Nobody in this thread is taking training into account.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)14:59 No.9148314
    Thats true. I mean just look at the guy who commanded that SAM battery.

    Undoubtedly true, just how much and which direction is the question.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)14:59 No.9148317
    Radar tech outpacing stealth tech for a good many years? Right now, it seems like stealth has radar tech by the nuts. Publicly-disclosed info is sparse, obviously, but the F-117 appeared to be the size of a *marble* on radar. That's small enough that it basically got lost in the background noise from water droplets and dust in the air. High-powered radar is a countermeasure against *jamming*, it has nothing to do with defeating stealth. If anything, you'll get more signal noise.

    Even assuming absolutely zero improvement in stealth technology since then, a well-designed stealth plane would still be basically invisible to radar. If modern stealth planes have managed to *improve* on the F-117's stealth... then radar has a looooong way to go to catch up.

    I can understand stealth technology not being nearly as cool as slope-nosed, canard-sporting, hyper-maneuverable super fighters. But the real world does not run on Rule Of Cool. Unless there has been a quantum leap in radar technology that we don't know about, all that maneuverability just means you've got a better chance of dodging when a missile shows up on your six from out of freaking nowhere.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)15:03 No.9148389
    As far as we know current stealth technology can not defeat every radar on every wavelength out there. Note the "as far as we know". I could be wrong because I don't have access to the pertinent data. But assuming it still can't radar still has an edge...however small
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)15:04 No.9148415
    >Radar tech outpacing stealth tech for a good many years? Right now, it seems like stealth has radar tech by the nuts.

    It doesn't. Low observable is the buzzword right now. There is a reason they decided to abandon high stealth projects like the B-2. The trend is towards low-observable small armed UAVs.

    Based upon trends in purchases, most people would tend to see detection technology being, and remaining, superior.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)15:28 No.9148790
    Low Probability of Intercept Radar - hows it rate and are there Radar Warning systems being created to counteract them?
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)15:43 No.9149045
    >High-powered radar is a countermeasure against *jamming*, it has nothing to do with defeating stealth. If anything, you'll get more signal noise.

    Combine high-powered radar with a filtering software and BOOM, you get something that defeats stealth. Signal noise? If it ain't moving at the speed of an aircraft, ignore it.

    And stealth does NOT mean you're completely invisible. Never did. Even the fucking airforce itself doesn't 'want' to try out their best stealth measures against current gen russian SAM radars, because they know that it will pick up evne stelath planes from quite a way out. But the USAF doesn't know how far out.

    And that doesn't go into combining lower spectrum wavelenghts to pick up an aircraft to hammer it then with concentrated bursts of higher spectrum radar to achieve a lock.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/12/10(Mon)16:01 No.9149333
    If you're interested in the subject, check out wake detection radar. Pulse doppler reflects off atmospheric humidity and tracks disturbances in the air caused by an aircraft passing through it.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)16:08 No.9149470
    Hadn't heard of that one. I can't say I understand a lot of the technical mumbo jumbo but its relevant to my interests so i'll take a look.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/12/10(Mon)17:10 No.9150640
    That's awesome! As is the Snoopy stuff!
    >> It's fucking on. Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)17:11 No.9150659
    When the next mercs and planes thread pops up, I'm going to ask you fine folks what you want in an online version of Air War. And rest assured, OP, I will be wanting those custom rules to add to this.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)17:18 No.9150812
    Sounds good. You gonna try setting it up for us? You need an interactive mapping system for one. I tried working a DnD game out online with the systems available and let me tell you...it was fucking hard to do. To many details and things to learn. But if you get it up and running i'd gladly play.
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)17:18 No.9150826
    All the rules from Air War? Or even better, just an easy to use Vassal system
    >> Anonymous 04/12/10(Mon)17:20 No.9150856
    Make a new thread, planes and mercs XXIII and use a plane photo.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/12/10(Mon)17:26 No.9151014

    I told my programmer friend that I'd like to just do a virtual tabletop, I want to make it so that you need to have the rules to be able to understand what to do.

    This would make for some nice free advertisement for the game.


    Oh, I mean Air War C21, not OP's game. I don't know enough about world politics to make a good Air Mercs campaign. I just do visual design.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/12/10(Mon)17:32 No.9151144
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    Well, if you're gonna go whole hog like that, good luck.

    I think it'd probably just be easier to use Vassal or some other virtual tabletop to move pieces around. Though I've never used them, so I don't know if they can do stuff like rotating 15-60+ degrees and whatnot.

    S'why I like systems with hexes.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/12/10(Mon)17:38 No.9151286
    Doesn't matter, i'd still play even if its just dogfights and missions.


    I prefer having a grid of some sort but yeah, with the way C21 is set up it doesn't mesh amazingly well with any sort of grid.

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