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    420 KB Planes and Mercs XIX op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/06/10(Tue)22:42 No.9028091  
    We started by asking a lot of questions. We found out the base we were stationed at was pretty well loaded for air defense, although we would be on our own in Georgia. We were under strict orders to stay within the base, and to not be seen or heard, as part of operational security. Purchasing western gear would be more difficult, but the russians could manage, for a price. We all decided to spend a week (of game time) upgrading our aircraft to be compatible with Russian tech (except Hugs who was laughing) so that we could take advantage of the heavy discounts on it over other armaments. Our new pilot, the Judge, chose a MiG-29, an earlier model, but not too old. We asked about the munitions, and found out they were manufactured to leave chemical traces, not mechanical. We also talked about dropping truck parts, but in the end decided against it, there were too many ways it could remove from the ruse. We armed all the planes except Hugs with the bombs, and a few other atg stuff, and some point defense for air. We all took countermeasures pods as well. Hugs just loaded his Flanker for air to air.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:43 No.9028098
    >> Dogstar !!MgA31eRve7T 04/06/10(Tue)22:43 No.9028105
    Oh god posting in an epic thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:44 No.9028114
    This is going to end badly, I can tell already.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:45 No.9028126
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    Sweet! I finally get to do this!


    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:45 No.9028130
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    Ah. I have been waiting for this.

    ... I really have. It's almost 6 AM, too. Jeeze.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:47 No.9028144

    Are you trying to score points with Sukhoi op?
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:47 No.9028146
    lol, the truck was like /tg/s favourite stratagey that night
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:47 No.9028152
    The anticipation is already killing me
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:54 No.9028245
    >> ELLIPSE 04/06/10(Tue)22:55 No.9028262
    Oh god is that a Sukhoi raping an F-15?

    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:55 No.9028282
    ... err... you haven't been following the earlier threads, have you?
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:57 No.9028311
    What happened?
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:58 No.9028345
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    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)22:59 No.9028352
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    I believe you wanted this drawn in the last thread?
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:00 No.9028380
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    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/06/10(Tue)23:01 No.9028390
    We decided to plan our flight south of Georgia, and come in from Armenia. Hugs told us an idea, and we asked Steve about the viability, and suddenly, I had a new job. It would require some luck, but it might pay off. I changed the loadout of my plane, and took off with Hugs, towards the south. Sandy, Judge and Scotch all took off about thirty minutes later, when they got the call from us, and took off towards Armenia, planning to angle North once they got the signal from me. Hugs and myself were hugging an airliner, which was oblivious to us. So far, everything was going well. Our airliner (we knew) was flight planned south of Georgia, landing Munich. I told my backseater to start the plan. About a minute later, we knew this was going to work.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:02 No.9028410
    That is by far my favorite of all the logos so far.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:03 No.9028423
    Somebody posted the OP Picture for Sukhoi a few threads ago.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:04 No.9028440
    Wait, OP! What happened to Buscuit? Did he get to roll a new character, or is he just...gone, replaced by the new player Judge?
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/06/10(Tue)23:05 No.9028472
    "The Judge" Judge is Biscuits player
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/06/10(Tue)23:06 No.9028482
    Who is Sukhoi?
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/06/10(Tue)23:07 No.9028502
    Never mind, I'm an idiot, sukhoi wrote one of the stories.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:07 No.9028528
    Less stupid, more writing. WHAT HAPPENED?
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:10 No.9028564

    This is going to end with dead Israeli athletes and the Mossad after your ass, isn't it?
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:11 No.9028600
    Yeah, she wrote one of the writefaggotries about you bombing a hospital.

    Remi. Never forget.

    Oh shit.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:14 No.9028661
    Huh...I thought you said "Judge" was a new player. I.e. new person joining the group.
    Why would Israelis be in Georgia?
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:16 No.9028682

    Munich. Bombing. Google it.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:16 No.9028695
    Oh, I was thinking of Germany.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:16 No.9028696
    Munich Massacre of Isreali athletes, bro.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/06/10(Tue)23:19 No.9028742
    We were suddenly getting hit by a lot of radars. We kept following the aircraft above us, and I relayed some information to Hugs, who copied it down, and turned south slightly. I got the ok from my backseater, and shifted to follow hugs in close formation. The airliner continued on it's flight path, now heading towards Georgia, thanks to the GPS exploit my electronic warfare pod had done on it's autopilot/nav system. My e/w pod was jamming the radio frequency used by ATC. Meanwhile, Hugs had turned on his IFF, set to the same code as the Airliners transponder, and was now flying towards the original flight plan route. We started tracking all the search and fire control radars that were hunting the off course airliner, as we flew, mostly unmolested by that same tracking system.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:20 No.9028761
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    To stop the Texans
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:20 No.9028770
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:21 No.9028790
    Let's keep 40k out of these threads... They're too awesome to be spoiled by it.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:22 No.9028806
    I have no idea what this means... Any smart anon care to translate?
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:25 No.9028846
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    That's pretty cool!
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:25 No.9028848
    They tricked the airliner's navigation system into sending the plane the wrong way. Meanwhile, Hugs' plane is pretending to be the airliner on its way in towards the target.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:28 No.9028905
    Your atrocities are all made up for by your electronic warfare genius.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:29 No.9028912
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    I missed the last thread, what is the mission this time?
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:30 No.9028929
    Is this Hugs plan? Because it is fucking GENIUS!
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:30 No.9028932
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:33 No.9028977
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    So, this means you guys want more rule 34 on the mercs, right?

    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:34 No.9028993
    Opgets to decide if it is canon, but it was good for a laugh.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:34 No.9029007
    What system are you guys using? Mercenary Air Squadron?
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:34 No.9029008
    I'd like to know why the Sukhoi pilot was American and Baron, the F-4 pilot, was apparently Russian.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:35 No.9029016
    Oh dear Yeager no. Read the previous threads -- they're using a modified version of Air War C21 with homebrewed RPG rules from the Great GM Steve.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:36 No.9029037
    How is leading a Civilian airliner into the jaws of an air defense network a genius plan? I smell collateral damage.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:38 No.9029063
    1d4chan says that Baron is German, and Sandman was American.

    I wanted one of the pilots to be American, gay, and have been kicked out of badass fightar piloting because of Don't Ask Don't Tell. For extra gayness. So I went with Baron + Sandman.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:40 No.9029105
    The genius part is that the attack plane is coming in as a civilian airliner.

    And this is the same squadron that's blown up random bicycles, a hospital, and the Queen Victoria. "Collateral damage" and "target practice" are probably synonyms to them by now.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:40 No.9029115
    Easy. Big fat airliner goes through Georgian space. It gets hit by every search radar along the way, but nobody shoots because the thing is either a really slow moving bomber or it's a passenger jet.

    Meanwhile Hugs looks like a passenger jet to Air Traffic Control and is going along a certain route to the target. The Georgians will see the real passenger jet as "hey, unknown plane in our territory, let's all go over here and check it out."

    However, on radar along the attack route, Hugs will also look like a passenger plane. He probably will either be ignored or not shot at.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:41 No.9029127
    Good show. It's a gay system.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:47 No.9029245
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    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:48 No.9029252
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    And here I was hoping they'd be dropping truck parts.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:48 No.9029267
    Sweet jesus, it's our anon drawfag!

    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:49 No.9029277
    Nice art!
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/06/10(Tue)23:52 No.9029319
    Hugs called, telling me that he had two heat sources approaching the airliner, at speed, from the rear. His IR system punched back an image, and he correctly identified them as F-16s. We continued on our way, with Hugs watching the intercept. The F-16s spent some time behind the airliner, but then one drew up beside it. He lost tack at that point, as they moved out of range of his IRST system. Our last track on them put them in the right spot though, so we called to the ground strike force, and told them their mission was now a go. They were very low, and began their run towards the hydro plant, with Sandy in the lead. Ten miles out, Sandy executed a sharp pop-up maneuver, and his RIO turned on the FLIR pod strapped to the belly.

    (Nice truck bomb photo! I love it!)
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:52 No.9029341
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    Hey! I made art too!
    Last thread. <_<
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:55 No.9029373
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    Ze Germans
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:55 No.9029382
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    Sukhoi made this.
    >> Anonymous 04/06/10(Tue)23:58 No.9029426
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    Which I shamelessly stole to make this.

    I may not be nearly as awesome as that anon drawfag but at least I did somethin'.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/07/10(Wed)00:01 No.9029486
    Sandy made his roll, and illuminated a truck sitting in the parking lot near the hydro building. Scotch was first over the target, and dumped both his Laser guided russian special bombs. Next over the target was Judge, who actually missed with about half his strike, wasting a lot of ordnance on the resevoir. The other half peppered the hydro building. Sandy had rolled over, completing the maneuver, aimed at the hydro building (on fire now) upside down. He rolled out, and released his payload, raining destruction over the damaged building. All three of them continued down the valley, turning five miles later, heading around towards Armenia again. Hugs and myself started blowing chaff from our countermeasure packs, and started a fast dive towards the ground. That's when Sandy paid for skimping on maintenance. On his high speed run, his engine broke down, with oil and temp warnings blaring in his cockpit.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:04 No.9029531
    Somethings wrong... There was no collateral damage. No air defense of the hydro plant.

    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:04 No.9029533
    Yeah, that's kind of the downside of operating in Russia.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:05 No.9029560
    Russia imports it's jet fuel since it's own fuel has impurities, such as dirt, metal filings, twigs and leaves.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:07 No.9029584
    Tell me he has more than one engine. Sandy is...the F-111, yes?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:09 No.9029636
    Oddly enough, that's pretty much the same as their vodka.

    Except the jet fuel is probably lower proof.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:10 No.9029640
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    Fuck. I wanted to go to bed early tonight. WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN?!?!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:10 No.9029647
    Noooo Sandy!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:11 No.9029664
    Russian Crews know this. If there diesel electric subs needed more oomph, the engineers would pour vodka into the fuel stream, gave the engines something like a 10% boost in power, sustainable only in short bursts.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:12 No.9029676
    Yeah, Sandman.

    Actually, all the planes except Scotch's are twin engines.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:15 No.9029744
    I smell marketing strategy. Maintenance crew "encouraged an accident", for an opportunity to get the rich foreign pilot to buy local.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:15 No.9029749
    So if the vodka was poured into the engineers instead, would they gain the same 10% boost in power?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:18 No.9029798
    Surprisingly, no.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:20 No.9029834
    Since they're on a sub, yes. The captain may have developed a resistance, though.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:23 No.9029904
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    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:26 No.9029955
    We seem to lack consensus.

    I propose the following experiment: we purchase a Russian sub and a crew for it, then methodically test different vodkas for their effects on mechanical and crew effectiveness. It's the only answer.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:29 No.9030004
    I... I'm gonna rub my cum in yo' burn scars!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:29 No.9030012
    Can we have a control group drinking Budweiser?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:30 No.9030035

    Water would be cheaper and would have the same effect.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:31 No.9030046
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:32 No.9030081
    Only if you want to do a secondary experiment on what happens if you give Budweiser to a group of Russians.

    I'd recommend downing a few shots of Everclear and then collecting your piss instead, it would probably get a better reception.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:32 No.9030083
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/07/10(Wed)00:34 No.9030142
    Heh...I was wondering if i'd missed the mission report. Guess I haven't. Lucky me.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/07/10(Wed)00:41 No.9030285
    We were still a ways out, Sandy throttle back immediately, and changed course, heading straight south. He started a slow climb, so if his other engine failed, he could glide for a while. The other two strike aircraft rocketed back to base, while I followed. Hugs flew to Sandy, and began escorting him, using his IR tracker instead of his Radar to search for problems. They both turned left towards home base once they were in Armenia, Sandy nursing his remaining engine, (essentially paying little to no attention to his other instruments). Hugs then spotted something on the IR track, fairly hot, moving towards them at speed, from Georgia.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:44 No.9030358
    >ugs then spotted something on the IR track, fairly hot, moving towards them at speed, from Georgia.

    Smells like steve.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:45 No.9030373
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    Shoot it down!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:46 No.9030399
    I'd think that with Steve, the squad would have learned by now to get eyeballs on a target before letting go of the ordinance.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/07/10(Wed)00:46 No.9030410
    >>spotted something on the IR track, fairly hot, moving towards them at speed, from Georgia.

    well this could get ugly fast.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:47 No.9030422
    FUCK! What is the ROE?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:48 No.9030443
    >essentially paying little to no attention to his other instruments
    Smells like trouble. Big trouble.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:51 No.9030508
    Fire if fired upon, or in protection of the secrecy of the mission.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:54 No.9030561
    In other words "If it sees you, KILL IT DEAD".
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)00:57 No.9030609
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    I love these threads so much.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/07/10(Wed)01:02 No.9030724
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    Yay! A new, real thread! And a story! And drawfaggotry! And logos! And Flanker love!

    It's like Christmas and Sex and Chocolate and a 7 gee turn all rolled into one!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:06 No.9030767
    Man I nearly cried when I read that mission.

    That is excellent art, though!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:07 No.9030782
    >7 gee
    Hi Sukhoi!
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/07/10(Wed)01:07 No.9030783
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    Fuck awesome mate.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:09 No.9030823
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    You get rid of zat troublesome American over-engineered crap, and buy somethink from Russian with love, da?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:10 No.9030828
    I kind of wish you said Standard Operating Procedure! instead of Fuck Yeah!, but still great art.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:11 No.9030847
    I cried as well. Tears of laughter.

    Radio: This is the MS Queen Victoria, we are on fire, Oh god, people are screaming, the ship is breaking up! Dead bodies are raining from the sky! OH THE HUMANITY!
    Baron: Uhhhh... Shit.
    >> Green Gecko !y4SZ54EQRk 04/07/10(Wed)01:12 No.9030860
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    >plane porn
    Holy amazing.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/07/10(Wed)01:13 No.9030878
    I'm not afraid to admit I wouldn't mind being the Eagle in that photo.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:14 No.9030893
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    Anyway, how about that Sukhoi PAK FA?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:15 No.9030907
    It's a cute idea, isn't it?
    I could take the role of the Sukhoi.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:15 No.9030909
    You are very weird...
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:16 No.9030921
    Sukhoi IS female. You know this, yes?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:17 No.9030941
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    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:17 No.9030943
    Wait, what?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:20 No.9030981
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    Less gawking more F-16 shooting.
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    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:24 No.9031038
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    Damn it I was supposed to be asleep an hour and a half ago.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:24 No.9031039
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    Israeli immigrant's got a green card. Let him through.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/07/10(Wed)01:26 No.9031078
    Hugs kept an eye on it, but it became clear that they weren't going to escape it. Sandy altered course a bit, but it did as well. It was still unknown, since Hugs didn't have the altitude advantage for his ir track (higher, colder air improved it apparently) but it wasn't radiating. The only radar was ground based, search radar, no actual fire control. Hugs wasn't sure, so he descended to ground level, and Sandman decided to play it cool, flipping on nav lights. The target closed, looking to arrive behind Sandy. As it pulled in closer, Hugs got a good look at it finally, it was an F-5. Hugs relayed this to Sandy who wasn't too happy about it. They quickly decided there was only one course of action. Sandy hit his radio jammer, and Hugs looked up, targeted the F-5, and blasted two Archers at it. The F-5 was caught by surprise. No flares, nothing. It took both Archers, blowing itself to pieces. Hugs stayed low, and Sandy continued on. We expected something else, but nothing ever showed up. We all landed safely. We asked Steve, and he said that the mission would have been a lot harder if we hadn't messed up the airliner's nav system. He didn't tell us how much harder though. We do know where a lot of Radar sites are though now. What we don't know is where these planes are from, they're not Georgian air force.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:27 No.9031091
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    Hum dee dum. The anticipation is killing me.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:29 No.9031119

    I fully expect shit to get real on your next sortie because of that.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:29 No.9031124
    With the Mission Comprete, I'm going to bed.

    Good pay, Baron!
    See y'all later.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:30 No.9031144

    It's probably another mercenary group, paid to kill you.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:31 No.9031155
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    I'm assuming you never actually got close enough to the Falcons to ID their nation of origin. It would suck to see this plastered on the wings, because then who the fuck knows what's out there lurking.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:32 No.9031164
    Well, you've taken a whiz in someone's tea with the F-5. Another merc company, or NATO? Better hope not the latter.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/07/10(Wed)01:32 No.9031165
    Air Kills
    Hugs: 1xNorthrop F-5
    Air Incidentals: DLH983 flight diverted and force to land in Tblisi after violating Georgian airspace and being intercepted. Pilots detained by Georgian Intelligence service, plane impounded by Georgian Air Force pending investigation.
    Ground Kills
    The Judge: Hydro Facility
    Sandman: Hydro Facility
    Scotch: Truck (Hydro Facility)

    Ground Incidentals
    The Judge: Family of ducks, gardening shed
    All three: Hydro workers (34)
    Damage Taken
    Sandman: Failed Oil Pump, minor engine overheat damage.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/07/10(Wed)01:33 No.9031184
    Who flies F5s? And F-16s?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:33 No.9031188
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    >gardening shed

    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:33 No.9031193
    Apparently the only people in that neighborhood currently operating F-5s are the Turks and the Iranians. Given the airspace you were in at that point, I'm betting it was Turkish.

    Congratulations, you just dragged in NATO.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:35 No.9031213
    Why would a Turkish F-5 be in Georgian Airspace?
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    >Air Incidentals: DLH983 flight diverted and force to land in Tblisi after violating Georgian airspace and being intercepted. Pilots detained by Georgian Intelligence service, plane impounded by Georgian Air Force pending investigation.

    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:37 No.9031249
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    That does it. I am now convinced OP's group is "Top Gear: Air Farce"
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/07/10(Wed)01:38 No.9031260
    Op, be proud! Don't knock success!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:41 No.9031302
    My thoughts exactly.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:41 No.9031303
    Following the airliner track, maybe? Or just operating over Georgia in the absence of a Georgian Air Force?

    Because the Georgians don't have F-16s or F-5s. Not unless they bought them at some point in Steve's setting, and given the degree to which that would piss off Russia I don't think they'd risk it.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:42 No.9031314
    Is that a good thing or a bad thing? They're screwed, sure, but think of the badassery they can rush headfirst into again! Twelve harriers? That was warm-up!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:43 No.9031333
    Your choices: Turks, the US, another merc air force. There are other NATO members who operate both F-5s and F-16s, but if they were deploying in eastern Turkey you'd probably have heard something about the upcoming war.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:45 No.9031357

    >Family of ducks, gardening shed

    I like how the company has done an insane job to make the debriefing. I'm thinking of obsessed agents who have to track down EVERYTHING.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:46 No.9031373
    This is something rather different.

    This is "could start a for-real shooting war between major countries".

    This is also "up against planes that aren't shit". And probably with competent pilots to boot.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:47 No.9031375

    What BREED of ducks were they?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:48 No.9031391
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:49 No.9031418
    Roasted Duck a L'Ordanance.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:51 No.9031439
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    >> An0nymous !gkWeiOwuW2 04/07/10(Wed)01:54 No.9031492

    I like this. Its a lot better than mine from last time... :D
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/07/10(Wed)01:55 No.9031499
    Steve said he'd have a new mission for us some time tommorow. I'm heading off to bed now.

    I think I'll use the cash I earned to maybe upgrade my Phantom's air Radar and Bomb computer. It's expensive, but cheaper than a new plane.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/07/10(Wed)01:55 No.9031505
    Successful mission was successful. Night people.
    >> Viper Driver 04/07/10(Wed)01:56 No.9031524
    There's a catch, there's something we are missing here.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:58 No.9031556

    This, I wouldn't be surprised if we get P&M XX tomorrow only to find out that the F-5 was actually filled with boy scouts and puppies.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)01:58 No.9031566
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    Well done OP!

    First time you guys have nailed a mission since the Morrocan Air Force one!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)02:00 No.9031596
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    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)02:05 No.9031660
    >Ground Incidentals
    >The Judge: Family of ducks

    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)02:06 No.9031676
    The catch is that the only organization likely to be operating both F-5s or F-16s in or near Georgian airspace, aside from a different group of mercs, is the Turkish Air Force.

    Which ultimately means NATO.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)02:07 No.9031684
    How do they get such good intel after a mission, but such shit intel before a mission?
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    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)02:14 No.9031803

    Because the intel department is still busy finding the serial number/brand/year of production of destroyed bicycles from the last mission.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)02:20 No.9031895
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    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)02:21 No.9031913
    Just read the mission report, how does an F-5 compare with Ops group? Or the F016s?
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)02:25 No.9031981
    well the flanker can tear them to bits, the F-4 will have trouble with the F-16.

    the rest, i have no idea.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)02:40 No.9032216

    You've got a discount on Russian gear at the moment, and I'm not sure how compatible Russian electronics will be with your F-4. Plus, this incident with Georgia looks like it might involve some seriously modern equipment if/when it escalates. I'd say now is the time to trade up to a different plane before you end up like poor Biscuit.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)02:56 No.9032464
    At the very least invest in a better parachute than Biscuit.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)02:59 No.9032515
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    Knee-slapping funny. Almost as funny as the irony in his callsign, and his end. It'd been even better if it was "pancake".
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)03:00 No.9032539

    Biscuit's parachute had a bunch of shrapnel holes torn through it.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)03:02 No.9032572
    >I'd say now is the time to trade up to a different plane
    Why am I getting the image of some poor American airframe stuffed full of Russian electronics gear and turned into an airborne Frankenstein?
    And why am I liking this idea?

    >...before you end up like poor Biscuit.
    Biscuit'd. I like this too. It's got utility.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)03:04 No.9032596
    That's cold, man.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/07/10(Wed)03:05 No.9032625
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    Damn, I missed the majority of the thread, Curse Night school!

    As for the F-5, I'm thinking it might be another PMC.

    The mission went so well it was almost boring. Then again that was a brilliant bit of trickery with the airliner.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/07/10(Wed)03:07 No.9032654
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    Awww come on guys, have some more respect for Biscuit.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)03:07 No.9032665
    F-5's and F-16's... the enemy's shown only light fighters this far. Wonder if they could abuse this somehow.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)03:12 No.9032727

    What would be comparable to the super bug from the russians?

    >> Air Action Weekly 04/07/10(Wed)04:11 No.9033449
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    Looks like the thread is done of the night, ah well. Hopefully it'll be around come morning.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)04:25 No.9033565
    did anyone archive it?
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/07/10(Wed)09:05 No.9036234
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    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)09:15 No.9036339
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    I love how Steve goes into detail with all the little gizmos. I mean cold affine IR sensors, GPS-hacks... That's the stuff they leave out on the news.

    Alas, missed another Merc Air thread. At least it's still here.

    So sad to hear OP again wants to stick with the Phantom and overhaul it. It's a classic, no doubt, but it's big and heavy and only flies straight lines. The more upgrades it gets, the harder it's going to be to let go. And it HAS to go. An F-16 can fly circles around it.

    I like the Super Bug. And I like the big Russians. My heart bleeds for the F-4, but this isn't the setting for it. Baron needs some Red to his name!

    I vote Turkey for the bogeys, and I expect there will be more- Georgia probably sacrifices some sovereign airspace in exchange for protection. Turkey is backed by NATO and used to Russian bear-growls, also it cannot resist it's own machismo- Even if they just fly recon above Georgia they're an effective deterrent, they never have to fire a single shot (unless there's a false flag operation in the area of course...).
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/07/10(Wed)09:23 No.9036426

    OP's F-4 is a hell of a lot more advanced than the F-4s that flew over Vietnam in the 70's. He'll be fine.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)09:26 No.9036478
    You can overhaul avionics, but the airframe is what it is, and it just doesn't turn well.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)10:05 No.9036954
    MiG-35 seems like a alright plane for OP if he wants to get the Russian discount.....

    that said a growler wired super bug opens up a whole new world of ECM related dickery.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/07/10(Wed)10:08 No.9037004
    MiG-35 will be quite expensive, and it's a small plane compared to the F-4. One of the Flankers might suit OP, they can carry surprising amounts of air to ground. And the F-18 is also a halfway decent choice as well. I'm working on the assumption that the newest 4.5 and 5th gen fighters are still out of price range.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)10:10 No.9037021

    What if he swapped to a Su-32 Fullback? It's an Aardvark, but slavshit- best of both worlds!
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)10:12 No.9037050
    fair call, but he was looking at a super bug earlier, suggesting that he almost had the money for a 4.5 jet.

    also holy shit at the mig-35s cost... you can almost by a Rafale for that much....
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/07/10(Wed)10:16 No.9037095
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    Calling a Super Hornet a 4.5 gen aircraft is an insult to 4.5 gen aircraft.

    Since they're working for the Russians, maybe ask Steve if a FlatPack is available.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)10:20 No.9037129
    Hey no disagreements here, i nearly cried when my countries airforce brought them :(

    i mean the F-35, yeah, i can see why. but the super bug was just blatant sucking up to the US.

    also the flatpack? why not just get the PAK FA?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/07/10(Wed)10:23 No.9037150
    PAK-FA probably costs a ton, the Flatpack is probably gathering dust in a warehouse somewhere. My guess is getting a flatpack would be easier.

    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)10:23 No.9037153
    4.5th gen is a bullshit term anyway. They're all glorified Eagles, Flankers and similar dated crap.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)10:34 No.9037289
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    >> Noisolpxerd 04/07/10(Wed)10:35 No.9037298

    Not to mention Rafales, Typhoons, and Grippens! Old planes are ollllld!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)10:38 No.9037340
    'Dated crap' is all that's on the bankroll for OP again's aces. If they could buy a carrier group with several wings of Raptors and JSFs they would.

    Then again, with those kind of funds you can just purchase the orbital laser and run the missions from home.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/07/10(Wed)10:40 No.9037379
    Morning People.

    I agree that the F4 is quickly becoming a second rate aircraft compared to the opposition that OP's flight is encountering. What he should replace it with though is obviously still up in the air and isn't a very easy decision as we can obviously see. Russian equipment would probably be the best bet at the moment simply due to its availability and the fact that it would bring the squad that much closer to single nation aircraft use.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)10:46 No.9037442
    wouldnt that make spare parts a bitch? i mean i love the idea but i cant see it working
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)10:47 No.9037466
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    Op, trade with Judge, become the second Air Soup member. Get pic related.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)10:57 No.9037587
    Why would he get a MiG-25? Thing is outdated 20 years ago.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:00 No.9037636
    So far the supply situation is from deepest Fantasy-land.
    The mix of equipment they use and ordnance they deliver would be a challenge to a military operation on it's home base. A merc outfit being able to keep up with those maintenance demands is hard to imagine in the real world.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:05 No.9037701

    I said it before and I'm willing to bet it again that Op is most likely to be going against another merc outfit here. The F-16s alone would make me start to think that a NATO nation is involved but the lone F-5 is too odd.

    It's also unfortunate that they had to kill that F-5.
    Someone is going to wonder what happened with their fighter and at the very least they are going to know their is somebody out there in the sky who is extremely hostile.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:15 No.9037827
    Yeah, as Sukhoi puts it, they'll be operating in an "Active Radar Environment"

    Don't want to get pounced by an unseen enemy again.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:22 No.9037901
    The F-4 isn't bad as long as op doesn't try to take a frontline air superiority role. It's carrying capacity is still hard to match. As long as op continues to upgrade the electronics he can be a very effective support/bvr and weapons specialist platform. Just leave the dogfighting work to those better suited for it.
    I think op's upgraded radar is a great idea, especially since he has a backseater to run it. If he could get a SU-30's N011M set adapted to his plane he could act as an effectiv 'Mini-Awacs' for the squadron
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:24 No.9037919
    Another merc outfit also makes sense to me. Georgia's putting what money it has into army upgrades, so hiring a merc unit for short term air superiority help makes sense.
    Of course, these means their probably going to take losses much more personally than a national force. I'd ask steve about looking over the defenses for your base
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:26 No.9037938
    I hear a lot of criticism of the Flanker and the Super Bug. But I don't hear constructive suggestions. Getting the second best Russia has to offer at cost seems like a good deal to me.

    I can't find any prices or purchasing rules in the AW-C21 rules, and MAS has only 6 or so price levels with no finer resolution. So I'm assuming Steve handles prices and availability with his independent sources.

    That is a glass half full or empty situation. The definition of 4.5gen is 4th generation jets retrofitted to keep up with shifting battle expectations. Dismissing that as crap leaves 5h generation aircraft, which are not available or out of fiscal reach.

    Why would you get a Mig? There's Sukhois to be had.

    I like the idea for plot reasons. However F-5s were herded into the market like Zerglings, they are popular trainers, training OPFOR, test aircraft, even interceptors in many nations on a budget. I wouldn't put it beyond Turkey, Georgia, or any nation in the region to operate a few.

    From an RPG perspective the F-4's retro charme is quickly fading. And don't tell me the Super Bug couldn't do that too, if not even better.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)11:29 No.9037978
    >And don't tell me the Super Bug couldn't do that too, if not even better.

    this is why im pushing a growler wired super bug as a good idea (despite my hate for the super hornet) being a ECM/SEAD/Mutlirole guy could only be a good thing
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:33 No.9038010
    I hear you. I was the first one to mention the Growler after OP thought about the Super Hornet last week. She's old, but she holds true. Most versatile thing I've heard mentioned in any thread so far.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:39 No.9038093
    Question for OP, who is the richest of you right now? If you get kill bonuses, isn't Hugs swimming in cash?
    >> Blacksheepcannibal 04/07/10(Wed)11:40 No.9038099
    Some of the better options I can think of for OP to swap out for, considering he is multi-role with a slight emphasis on EW and ground attack...

    Top Tier: Su-34, Su-30M, F-15E, Tornado, F/A-18, F-14
    Mid Tier: Su-24, MiG-29M2/MiG-35, F-16
    Low Tier: EA-6/A-6, A-7, MiG-23
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:42 No.9038125
    F-14 shouldn't be on that list, Tornado is mid tier at best, Mig-35 would be top tier.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:43 No.9038144

    True, the F-5 could have been owned by anyone but the way it showed up was too strange. The timing of it along with the appearance of F-16s is real alarming as well.

    The main reason I believe these fighters wouldn't belong to a NATO nation is that if they truly were NATO the Russians would have known about it. You don't put troops in a nation to keep another from attacking it and don't tell anyone unless you are looking for a excuse to go to war.
    >> Blacksheepcannibal 04/07/10(Wed)11:48 No.9038208
    Parts for an F-14 would be questionable at best, but I'm not the GM. Later F-14s had good radar capability, strike aircraft capability, and substantial range and lift capability. Given, their short-range dogfighting leaves something to be desired.

    MiG-35 should be top tier. I thought she was a single-seater bird. And the Tornado...somewhere between mid and top tier.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)11:48 No.9038209
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    I dunno, the F-14 is a capable bird, if upgraded it could take OP far. also DAT RADAR.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)11:50 No.9038240
    Op said somewhere that each aircraft had a baseline maintenance cost, that they paid every week or so, they could pay at cost, or 1.25 for better maintenance, or .85 for less maintenance.
    >> planefag 04/07/10(Wed)11:57 No.9038319

    Turn performance isn't that terribly important; there are plenty of ACM maneuvers that will let a pilot out-turn a more nimble enemy- and to my everlasting joy, Air War C.21 has rules to emulate them.


    And we hate the Super Hornet why...?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)12:03 No.9038389

    Because American.

    And Russia Strong!
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)12:08 No.9038440
    A: It isn't the F-14 B: Range C: Performance is a bit meh. D: Can't carry a large payload. E: isnt the F-14

    Don't get me wrong, most of my butthurt is from the RAAF picking it up for stupid reasons and it replacing the tomcat. But I also honestly think its a rather substandard jet compared to its stablemates. That said for what OP is currently doing i can see the growler doing a superb job.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/07/10(Wed)12:08 No.9038441

    I'm not crazy over the Super Hornet, but I don't think it deserves all the shit its getting in this thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)12:13 No.9038504
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    F-18 pilots have no friends.
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    >Isn't the F-14, Isn't the F-14, Isn't the F-14

    Pic HIGHLY related. I expected something along the lines of "they weighed it down now it sucks" which is sometimes, but not always, a valid argument (IIRC they boosted the Super Hornet's engine power considerably to compensate for the added weight.) I, too, loathe and hate the retirement of the F-14, because, you know, it was the F-14.

    If it's range is STILL lackluster after the upgrades and size increase, then Navy, I AM DISAPPOINT.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)12:21 No.9038616
    Her range isn't a dream, but she can carry a lot of fuel in CFTs and drop tanks. Hell's Black Aces can usually buy AAR support. Range has never been an issue in Steve's missions. The Growler is not Strike Eagle, and it doesn't try to be.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)12:23 No.9038653
    Range has been iffy a few times, however, the new operations area is so small, it won't be.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)12:25 No.9038682
    They carried buddy tanks twice. I wouldn't call that much of an issue.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)12:29 No.9038748
    They had a Midas with them on one mission.
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    Okay OP again. There's a few things we need from you.

    First and foremost of course Steve's custom rules.

    A summary for Gold Rush would be nice.

    The version of Judge's Fulcrum in the Air War rule context.

    Stats for the Viggen.

    And there was talk of a new player. What's the status there?
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)12:31 No.9038779
    Good to see someone else with some love for the F-14.

    no doubt that the extra tanks help, but that eats into how much bombs/dickery/missiles you can carry.

    and im not knocking the growler as a choice, its benefits far out weigh the super bugs disadvantages and would add a huge capability to OP's flight.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)12:36 No.9038864
    Tom Cruise ruined the Tomcat for me. Just feels gay now.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)12:37 No.9038880
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    Fly an A-4 then. The Man's choice.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)12:39 No.9038902
    I see you are a man of reason. Pray then let's discuss this issue in detail...
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/07/10(Wed)12:52 No.9039073
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    I salute you sir. Your choice of aircraft inspires me and warms my heart.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/07/10(Wed)12:56 No.9039120
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    As much as I love 50s Jet era. I don't think its practical.

    Then again you're probably not being serious anyways.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)12:57 No.9039139
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    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)13:11 No.9039318
    heh, just re-watched that episode.

    Wonder what the cock-o-meter would register for OPs planes...
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/07/10(Wed)13:22 No.9039461
    On the contrary if i'd been in OP's game i'd still be flying my Israeli A4N...if i hadn't gotten it shot out from under me by this point that is.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)13:26 No.9039521
    You'd be the little bomb truck that could!
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)13:28 No.9039536

    More 34 would be nice, but you need to make it a _lot_ more homoerotic or it won't feel like Top Gun.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)13:30 No.9039583
    I want more 34 like the original pic!
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)13:31 No.9039596

    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)13:36 No.9039699
    The thing is that Turkey is known to operate both the F-16 and the F-5 as active duty platforms (while the US Navy and Marines still have some F-5s, those are all permanently attached to CONUS bases for use in aggressor training), has reason to be in the area, and is likely to have been called in by Georgia to help in the absence of a native Georgian air force.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/07/10(Wed)13:37 No.9039716
    I want less 34. Far, far less.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)13:39 No.9039749

    if Turkey gets involved things could become very shithouse for OP's fight very quickly.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)13:40 No.9039765
    What is the Russian end goal here?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/07/10(Wed)13:41 No.9039787
    Indeed...and i probably could have delivered em on target better and more accurately than the big tanks OP's group is driving.

    A4s were given preference in CAS missions in Nam cause the air controllers knew the pilots could get on the approach line perfectly with what amounted to a flick of the wrist and drop em right in the pickle barrel...unlike the faster less maneuverable F4s and 104s
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)13:46 No.9039879
    Was it ever discussed what the Russians are looking to accomplish?
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    A 'maskirovka' was mentioned, but I have no clue what that means, some type of dance party?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)13:56 No.9040047

    IIRC 'maskirovka' means ruse, or camouflage.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:00 No.9040120
    This is typical. We are trying to prepare op and group, with suggestions. And we have no clue what the big picture here is.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:02 No.9040138
    This is why the F-4 should stay. It can do everything.
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    I support the Flatpack idea.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:06 No.9040191
    Why haven't you guys gone to /k/ yet?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:07 No.9040213
    No, it's ugly.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:09 No.9040239
    God bless wikipedia

    Military deception is an attempt to amplify, or create an artificial fog of war or to mislead the enemy using psychological operations, information warfare and other methods. As a form of strategic use of information (disinformation), it overlaps with psychological warfare. To the degree that any enemy that falls for the deception will lose confidence when it is revealed, he maylitary deception hesitate when confronted with the truth.

    When referring to military deception in military doctrines of the Soviet Union and Russia, the Russian loanword maskirovka (literally: camouflage, concealment) is sometimes used.

    Basically, they've been hired to troll with the locals using their planes, so that they don't have a clue what's really going down when the Russians spring the big show.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:10 No.9040252
    >Russians spring the big show.

    Which is what?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:18 No.9040337
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    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:25 No.9040426
    My guess is some operation against Georgia.
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/07/10(Wed)14:28 No.9040474

    Because /k/ is terrible.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:29 No.9040498
    I can't help but expect Kyrgyzstan to show up in Steve's campaign any day now.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:32 No.9040540
    They're cooking up a civil war right this moment, for all those who have no decent news program to watch.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:35 No.9040574
    Steve is Canadian, so I'm thinking he knows.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/07/10(Wed)14:40 No.9040649
    yeah i gotta hunt online for news thats worth while. My american news options are piss poor and are mostly just concerned with Tiger Woods or some such.

    Side question people...where do you get your world news online?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:41 No.9040664

    Google News always has the skinny.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:43 No.9040685
    Internation Herald Tribune:

    The Economist:
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:44 No.9040703
    maskirovka = masquerade

    but you're basically right. In this context it would be a ruse, a trick, a deception.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:46 No.9040726
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:55 No.9040871
    Oh dear. Took me a while of pondering to realize that the "34" wasn't a plane.

    Silly me.
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    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:57 No.9040906
    What the fuck is up with the nose on that thing?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)14:57 No.9040914
    I guess it comes down to a difference in viewpoints then. Granted the Super Bug could fill the same roles, but where you seem to view it as why not upgrade, I see it as why upgrade? Instead of putting the money in a new plane, why not upgrade the current F4 and put the money into better weapons.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/07/10(Wed)14:59 No.9040946
    It's an advanced Hind, I think South African. Same Hind body, radically upgraded avionics and targeting gear.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)15:03 No.9040998
    I think that's a south african super-hind.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)15:07 No.9041061

    Somebody needs to shop a cape onto that Hind.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)15:15 No.9041254
    Capes are for losers.
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    Is this in the game?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)15:54 No.9041996
    what is that?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)16:17 No.9042335
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    early v.t.o.l. concept
    ancestor to the harrier
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)16:22 No.9042429
    It slays me how some of these missions go so well it's almost "Fly there, fly home" easy, and some of them have collateral in the thousands of lives and millions of dollars range.

    And someone's about to get a red hot dicking from a rich and pissed of organised airforce.

    And what is that?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)16:31 No.9042584
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    early vertical takeoff and landing plane
    >> Noisolpxerd 04/07/10(Wed)16:36 No.9042678

    Considering how much of a deathtrap the harrier is, who in their right mind would want to fly its little brother?
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)17:41 No.9043730
    It's a Ryan Vertifan, miles safer than the Harrier ever was, because it was built by Smart people who put stabilithrust into the design, unlike the harrier, which has such close thrust points it's very unstable.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)18:46 No.9044846
    Dammit, I missed another thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)18:50 No.9044920
    An easy mission just means the bad guys weren't prepared. I'm sure the next mission is going to be different.
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    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)19:16 No.9045367
    google news isn't too bad, if you always read where the site links to. you can get al jazeera, reuters, cnn, but you can also get fox news, voice of america, haaretz. everything is biased, but if you read of everything that is reduced.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)19:38 No.9045732
    According to google news, the world ends in 4 days.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)20:21 No.9046606

    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)20:54 No.9047148
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    People who idolize the F-14 do it solely because of Top Gun. Which means they are gay homosexuals.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)21:38 No.9047913
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    I maintain that this is the only plane for the real, real man.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/07/10(Wed)21:58 No.9048295
    She certainly is a very manly, and quite beefy, fighter but we all have our own definitions of awesome manliness and while the MiG31 is up there its not top dog for me.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)22:01 No.9048377
    You say that like it's a bad thing.
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/07/10(Wed)22:52 No.9049534

    cool plane, but other than its flatout speed and AIM-54 rip off, i cant see it being much of a upgrade for OP
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)23:30 No.9050423
    It's long range missile kicks the phoenix's ass.
    >> Anonymous 04/07/10(Wed)23:49 No.9050804
    late bump for epic thread
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/08/10(Thu)00:16 No.9051345
    See you all in the next thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/08/10(Thu)01:06 No.9052539
    Whenever I read these threads I blast this:


    Always seems to fit the mood.
    >> Anonymous 04/08/10(Thu)01:07 No.9052564
    If nothing else these threads have taught me how to read roman numerals.
    >> Anonymous 04/08/10(Thu)01:09 No.9052618
    Don't you mean:
    >> Anonymous 04/08/10(Thu)01:12 No.9052695

    But this raises hairs on my neck

    God, the moment those guitars hit....
    >> Anonymous 04/08/10(Thu)01:15 No.9052777
    Huh... If it came to Generals music, I'd go with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNdfxq-raJU

    Fits the Africa theme a bit more.
    >> Anonymous 04/08/10(Thu)01:23 No.9052994
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    >> Anonymous 04/08/10(Thu)01:29 No.9053128
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    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/08/10(Thu)01:35 No.9053281
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    In air war the Phoenix has slightly better stats than the R-33
    >> Anonymous 04/08/10(Thu)01:39 No.9053378

    wishful thinking.
    >> Anonymous 04/08/10(Thu)01:53 No.9053728
    >> F-22 fag !nUpIOg2/OM 04/08/10(Thu)02:30 No.9054484
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    possibly. but it is Russian, what they claim and what it can actually do often will not match up (that said the same can be said about some western tech as well....)

    btw here are the stats form the game.

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