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    73 KB Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)20:20 No.8730788  
    Continuing the epic thread from before, we were getting a forum set up and talking about Commubama punching Hitler.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:21 No.8730813
    I'll go ahead and post the link to the last thread.
    Also the link to the forum.
    Understand that the forum may break randomly until I figure out how everything works.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)20:24 No.8730869
    I'm not sure why you separated the forum into the factions without anything else, but I guess there's a learning curve to consider.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:27 No.8730928
    It's all a work in progress; stuff will move around as necessary.

    For now we should focus mainly on the setting. I'm about to put the basics of each faction in bullet-point format in their respective forums. Additions, corrections etc. are welcome once I've got that out of the way.

    Suggestions for format are also accepted at this time, as currently nothing is set in stone.

    I also added descriptions of each faction.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:28 No.8730935
    hey admin, i suggest you sticky the archived version of the original thread somewhere on the forum
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)20:28 No.8730938
    Just to get things rolling, a quick summary of what happened so far:

    For some reason we should figure out, peace remained between Germany and the Soviet Union for much longer than it did in real life, only breaking when the Nazis invaded the Americas.

    Due to this divergence, technology developed along different paths than it normally would have, with the Germans becoming skilled demonologists and arcanists, and the Soviets perfecting a different variety of hard science than we're used to.

    Having been at war for decades now, the two powers are in a stalemate, with the Americas reduced to a howling wasteland covered in zombies and the ressurected Presidents and Antarctica colonized by Australians who use Fosters-Powered technology.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)20:30 No.8730971
    You may wish to be less sympathetic toward the demon-summoning, ethnic cleansing NAZIS.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)20:32 No.8731007
    Fuck if our comrades haven't buggered off.

    This is why you disapoint me /tg/. No endurance.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:34 No.8731032
    A forum is totally the wrong tool for this. Needs more wiki.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:34 No.8731033
    /tg/ is meant to be vague. We don't want to hammer down a specific setting, or strictly define ourselves with moderation. We just want to brainstorm.

    Or you're not actually namefag OP.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)20:35 No.8731043
    Wiki's are hard. And we already started dammit.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)20:35 No.8731048
    We were doing well until just before the thread switch. I dunno what happened.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:36 No.8731066
    They are?
    Forumfag here, point me in the right direction and I can probably get a wiki working.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:38 No.8731101
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    of the lesser talked about nations it was established that the people's movement in china became absorbed into the Soviet Republics (And with Alaska being the last free living state in the northern Americas, the ruskies basically control half the world).
    I'd presume that much of the very Himalayas would form a secondary/tertiary fortifications (the GLORIOUS WALL OF THE MOTHERLAND), riddled with thousands of miles of underground passages (think Maginot line, but with Russian practicality and billions and billions of chinese workers).
    Also, if China-land becomes a subsidiary of mother russia and the latter kept their ties with the nazis through the war, then the Japs would have less reason to invade in 1937, or else the invasion could be settled diplomatically. Just because having soviet powered armor easily flows into fucken Kamen Rider
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:42 No.8731159
    We had established that Japan was one of the remaining Free States, and with the collapse of the US, was utterly screwed.

    Though with Soviet power armor, it's plausible they were overwhelmed and forced into the Union, becoming a center of research for the Soviet warmachine.
    The highly intelligent in Japan are distrusting of their Soviet overlords but willing to co-operate, while the people as a whole are on the verge of forming terrorist cells, with very little loyalty to their new overlords. The average citizen would be at best apathetic towards the Union.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)20:42 No.8731173
    If you're set on Kamen Rider, then I say go for it.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:43 No.8731182
    The "new europe" is a strange and different place, moreso then anyone could have expected 50 years prior. With the demise of modern capitalism and the march of fascism across the continent, most european states are firmly under the thrall of Germany and the "European Cooperative Of Fascists".

    The Cooperative is largely a place for European (and a handful of non-European) fascists to air grievances in the supreme council of fascists. Being the founders of the council, Italy and Germany hold large amounts of power and generally use said council to excise their own power across the continent under the guise of plurality.

    The reality is somewhat different. Though Italy is technically a voteholder, Germany seems to wear the pants on the council and Italy often finds itself "abstaining" or simply voting in a bloc with Germany. While it is true that smaller states (particularly Sweden and Finland) may occasionally go against the wishes of the council, the ever present threat of force is a major motivator to keep quiet or stay low.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)20:44 No.8731201
    Sounds a little too close to an Admech for my tastes. Besides, the prewar japanese SUCKED at technology. It wasn't until after they got their asses handed to them by Amurikka that they went into the high-tech industry.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:46 No.8731250

    it seems that japs are still independent to some degree: >>8729379
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)20:46 No.8731263
    Speaking of the Finns, are we sure Germany Steamrolled them? They can, as I recall, be pretty tough to root out. Perhaps this time they managed to stay independent, with the Soviets secretly arming and training them.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:49 No.8731327

    Following the Winter War, that seems unlikely.

    I gather that they would fall under the umbrella. Domino theory and all that.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:50 No.8731346

    Pretty sure. Given that the Germany-Soviet peace lasted much longer than it would have otherwise, and the U.S. didn't enter the war at all, the Nazis would have had time to consolidate their power and make a concerted push into independent European territories. Although, I'm pretty sure that all Europe would pretty much be Naziland by this point, rather than a collection of fascist countries with puppet governments subservient to Germany.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:51 No.8731356
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    Is this going off of relations during and around WWII? I mean, I find it funny that out of all factions, it's the Soviets arming the Finns against the Nazis, and not the Nazis arming the Finns to fight the Soviets.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:51 No.8731359
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    it'd make sense to turn the islands into a sort of forward defense base for the motherland (We should probably refrain from calling China, uh... "China" as there'd be no one left in the US to call it that. Its self-referentially the "middle states/central kingdom" in Mandarin, though the Soviet lowlands might work well too)
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:51 No.8731360
    yeah fins would be with nazis just to prevent soviets from overrunning them
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:52 No.8731377
    I know they were established as free.
    I was giving an alternative. Brainstorming is about new ideas and changing old ideas.

    Admech? Never heard of it.
    yes i am new here etc. etc.

    Sounds plausible.
    It's only fair that the Russians get a real foothold in Europe. At the very least, Finland was "officially" conquered but large, underground terrorist cells, secretly armed by the Soviets, keep up the resistance and do their best to stamp out cooperation with the fascist overlords.

    Don't forget to mention the racial cleansing and Eugenics that has rendered Germany almost entirely pure, and has killed all the Jews, Gypsies, and black people in the rest of Europe.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:55 No.8731434

    Well, I like the idea of an independent Japan. Unable to conquer China, they acted out their territorial aggression on the Philippines, Korea, and various Pacific Islands. In this reality, they decided that attacking the U.S. would be far too risky, and so the U.S. wasn't drawn into the war at all. Japan would not be a major player or a super-power, but would be powerful enough to make a conquest of Japan unpalatable to both the Nazis and the Soviets, so they ignore Japan for the most part.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:56 No.8731444
    So the Japs are left to their own devices, completely ignored by the superpowers?

    Wouldn't they still be allied with Germany, then?
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:56 No.8731449
    well japanese could ask for soviet "assistance", once FDR awakens, but imho they should be independent before the metaplot advances
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)20:59 No.8731494
    Speaking of metaplot, have we agreed where we are on that?

    We're at the point where the Constitutionalists have a foothold in the central US and have already perfected necromancy to an art at the expense of almost all other magic, right?
    They haven't got much land and the Founding Lords haven't been awakened yet.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:00 No.8731512
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:00 No.8731516

    I don't know. Either they're officially allied with Germany for help against the Soviets on their doorstep, or they've become completely independent and try to play both sides off one another. It depends on what would benefit them more.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:01 No.8731542
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    The Soviets having an entire foothold on Asia and it's outlaying island nations like Japan and the Philippines kinda sounds like the Pan-Asian Coalition.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:02 No.8731556
    This sounds about right.

    As well, the two major powers are at war in Asia and the middle-east, as well as Africa. There's a rebellion fomenting in India, and every faction is stepping up research to unleash their trump cards.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:02 No.8731557

    Not really. We've ranged all the way from sleeper-cells of Constitutionalists slowly amassing power throughout Nazi and Soviet controlled America all the way to "America is now a howling wasteland inhabited only by the dead." It depends on whether we want America as a full-blown necromantic super-power akin to the Soviets or Nazis, or else going to become one but for the intervention of the player characters.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:04 No.8731596
    In the middle east, there's a gold rush going on. With the situation in North America turning to a genuine nightmare, archeologists, paleontologists, microbiologists, astrologists (among others) cram into the middle east to find artifacts that could serve to be useful to their respective blocks. Germany, Russia, and even the free states cram into the hot unpleasant morass that is the middle east with some small hope of making a difference - or getting rich.

    Initially the fascists were the first to find actual artifacts that weren't being sold be street vendors. The artifact, a fragment of the true cross, drove the communist block into a frenzy.

    This frenzy was not unsuccessful: the communists managed to locate several phylacteries used by major kings in Egypt.

    Both of these artifacts were largely useless.

    The true cross, when "used" (nailed to someone) caused the first test subject to explode. Following several more attempts, it was largely deemed useless except in the capacity to make people into chunks of stringy bloody puddles.

    The jars, when used, didn't actually do anything except talk in ancient egyptian. When translators were brought to analyze the jars, they found that the words being spoken were gibberish: the names of all the individuals that had died constructing the once great pyramids. (largely destroyed in 19XX during an air raid)
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:04 No.8731613
    At the moment we're focusing on the Soviets and Nazis, but nothing beats a zombie for a standard mook.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:07 No.8731663
    The metaplot should be before the "howling wasteland."

    I like the idea of central US being inhospitable due to irresponsible use of tacnukes (in this reality, nuclear weapons were invented by the Soviets to combat Nazi magic), with a few areas being Constitutional holdouts, with a sprawling necropolis under Fort Leavenworth being their headquarters.
    The East Coast and West Coast, and large chunks of land inland from them, should belong to the Nazis and Soviets, respectively, and be relatively hospitable.

    As things are now, Nazis and Soviets should be the only playable factions, but there's definitely some potential in the Constitutionalists.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:07 No.8731676
    No oil war? Come on.

    Unless the Soviets managed to avoid Chernobyl and construct a nuclear powered paradise, and the Nazi's get their electricity from millions of tiny demons on treadmills, someone's going to want it.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:08 No.8731701

    I like this idea. It gives the PCs either something to work towards as jingoistic AMERICA FUCK YEAH cultists or something to work against as Soviet Dark Heresy-style investigators. Imagine showing up at the last moment to hear the ritual summoning the spirit of the Dread Hickory too late, only to find that he's awoken.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:11 No.8731757
    It's been suggested that you could play it as a Dark Heresy game, with Commubama as your Inquisitor.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:11 No.8731760
    Probably the lesser nations outside of the Soviet and Nazi blocs. The USSR is the technological giant of the world and the Nazis have mastery of magic, so I'd say that energy wouldn't be much of a problem for them.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:11 No.8731765
    Chernobyl didn't happen but nuclear power has proven impractical for driving warmachines; oil is still the greatest fuel on a small scale. The Nazis have created vehicles that run entirely on magic, but only an incredibly skilled mage can pilot one, and most are better used powering cities and researching new weapons and spells.

    Thus, oil is still a major cause for war.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:13 No.8731804
    What year is this set in? I'm leaning towards something along the lines of 2070 to allow time for the Constitutionalists to get such a warped view of pre-war America.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:14 No.8731814
    Good, that gives some motivation to all the conflict other than "HURR NATZIES".

    Also provides us with the image of massive Soviet Warmech's striding across the battlefield, belching diesel fumes.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:14 No.8731824

    They bind daemonic spirits to their vehicles. Extremely potent and with essentially no need for fuel or resupplies, but the daemons are liable to rebel without a skilled demonologist controlling them. Daemonic Nazi supertanks that shoot fireballs not be an uncommon sight, but if the mage's concentration lapses for even a moment the daemon will break free, loosing untold havoc on everyone in the vicinity before disappearing into the aether.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:14 No.8731826
    Several decades at least. Tech expansion has been rapidly accelerated, due to magic nazis.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:15 No.8731834
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    You could reserve nuclear engines for Soviet super heavy tanks.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:16 No.8731845
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    lets look for inspiration pics to get more people to leap on
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:16 No.8731847
    Do we have an agreement on 2070 then?

    I'm going to be asspulling some dates in the summaries on the forum, and I'd like to know what timeframe I'm working with.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:16 No.8731860
    EU rules, PAC is for sissies!
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:16 No.8731866
    You call that superheavy? My house is bigger than that.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:17 No.8731873
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    most popular toy amongst children 4-11 in the glorious motherland?
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:18 No.8731894
    Call it 2050. 2070 is pretty much just fallout.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:19 No.8731903
    Nowhere near badass enough. Also, the whole suit getup is far more Putin's thing, although as the nation's number one secret agent, naturally most people don't know that.
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    Action figures are for capitalists and fascists.

    All action figures resemble this. The proletariat is a FREE AND UNIFIED SOCIETY UNDER ALL RACES



    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:19 No.8731921
    Soviets use a combination of tanks and warmechs to provide armored support for their infantry on the battlefield. Most of these vehicles are driven by oil-based fuels, as the instability of miniature nuclear reactors makes them unsuitable for the unathletic warmechs and they are too large to fit in regular tanks.

    However, the Soviets occasionally field towering monstrosities known as Apocalypse Tanks. These tanks are equipped with anti-air missile pods, three main cannons, four machine gun nests, and (cramped) living quarters for its crew of 25. These are rarely deployed more than one at a time on any given battlefield, but may be sent en masse when the Motherland is in danger.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:20 No.8731931
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    what's the word on cyberpunk-ness in the free states?
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:21 No.8731944
    btw, if soviets have eastern europe, asian part of russia, china and western part of the usa under their control and nazis have only middle/western europe and the eastern usa, wouldn't it be unplausible, that soviets are roughly as strong as nazis? i suggest, nazis should also get northern africa, palestine and arabian countries (with rommel succeeding with his "crusade against the jews" and completing the holocaust) including iran (aka the cradle of the "aryans"). this way india could become another contested territory between soviets and nazis.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:21 No.8731949
    Don't forget the ever-effective traditional Soviet strategy.

    Wave after wave of men.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:22 No.8731958
    Unlikely. Soviet Asia is the big technological power and don't appear to have dabbled too much into cyberization. Free States can be pretty punk-punk though.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:22 No.8731961
    Plausible in the Antarctica-based Australian state. England was run by the Queen on an airship but that whole thing made so little sense I'd like to pretend it didn't happen.

    Since we're willing to take some historical liberties, maybe we should make Japan a cyber-punk state. We could create a different motivation for their technological prowess than their defeat in WW2.

    Otherwise, go with Australia. They live in Antarctica and their tech is bested only by the Soviets.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:24 No.8731984

    Sounds good.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:24 No.8731997
    India is Soviet-controlled but tensions are rising and the people seem to be on the verge of violent rebellion.

    Iran is (officially) part of the Nazi empire, and the Holocaust succeeded, but much of the Middle East is contested due to oil-rich land.
    The Nazis have also controlled much of Africa for about thirty years, and have set about exterminating the native peoples to make way for Aryan colonization.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:25 No.8732011
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    More like waves of heavily armed and armored infantry, kinda defeats all the previous fluff about how the USSR is supposed to be one of the more technological nations.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:25 No.8732013
    Actually, given the pic in the original thread, this would mean Double-0-Putin was working for the Brits. Fuck yeah.
    That's not cyberpunk. That's Putin on the job, having just breached a nerve gas tank at one of the German concentration camps (Hitler's madness continues to drive the bottom 5% of the population to execution, and there's always a new 5%...).
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:27 No.8732048

    Just because they *have* they tech doesn't mean they're willing to use it on grunt troopers. They seem like more of a waves of men + holy shit what the fuck is that technological super-weapons.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:27 No.8732050
    Keep in mind that they're charging down heavily-drilled, well armed, nazi WIZARDS.

    Yeah, they're pretty badass, but they're still going to get mown down pretty quick.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:28 No.8732062
    >Actually, given the pic in the original thread, this would mean Double-0-Putin was working for the Brits. Fuck yeah.
    Nah, Putin is the Soviet Union's best agent. When he was nearly killed by Nazi sorcery after his cover was blown, they put his brain in an android body covered in fake skin, much like Stalin. It's the highest honor a Soviet can receive, and he continues to work for Soviet intelligence to this day.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:29 No.8732088
    Yeah, assuming the Queen would have anything to do about anything is far too ludicrously-inaccurate-American-idea-of-Britain.

    Instead, I posit that it's much like 1984. Remember that Ingsoc is English Socialism; maybe the Russians jumped in to help hold the fort against the Mad Hun, and we're Airstrip One not for some vague Oceania American coalition, but for the Motherland.

    Since everyone who isn't British has a hard-on for London, it can have been hit by a nuclear V2 (Germany were, after all, working on such things), rendering it a barren wasteland of little value. If you want to run an campaign in Britain, you've got to pick a more interesting city.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:31 No.8732119

    London seems like a nice place to visit occasionally but a terrible place to live. That being said, is there any reason that the Nazi's wouldn't have conquered Britain completely? Maybe there was an insurrection against Churchhill and a fascist government was installed, much like what happened in Vichy France.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:32 No.8732129
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    Starting to sound like the Imperial Guard. Massed infantry with heavy armor support.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:32 No.8732132
    Given >>8732088 , it can be both. Although I'm not sure I like the idea of robo-Putin. I'm thinking much more classic James Bond; a sauve ladykiller who is single-handedly responsible for putting a permanent end to Germany's atomic research before it got a second success, and avoiding the war turning into a nuclear apocalypse.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:32 No.8732146
    Technology has evolved alongside magic.
    To combat the Nazi sorcery, the Soviets have developed a reflective dampening material. They coat their tanks and battle armor with this material to reflect weaker spells and dampen stronger ones. However, the material itself is weak to conventional projectile weapons, and a single bullet will create a small hole through which a well-aimed spell can severely damage the vehicle or person. Enough bullets with create bigger holes.
    The Soviets have also spent much of their time focusing on enhancing their munitions, and have used a similar chemical formula to the dampening shell to create bullets that can penetrate weaker magical barriers and weaken stronger ones.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:33 No.8732151
    It wasn't a nuke, but a magic bomb that contorted the laws of physics in the surrounding area, rendering it unlivable to anything human and filling it with chittering, alien creatures.

    Yes I've got a serious fae-hardon. Sue me.
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    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:33 No.8732157
    what does "officially" mean? if iran is part of the nazi empire, then pretty much all middle east belongs to them, since russians would need to march through iran to attack the middle east. besides there isn't that much oil in europe so nazis really need DAT OIL and soviets have siberia for this purpose anyway.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:35 No.8732188
    Problem with that is that unless he's a robot he can't be alive.

    This has to be set in the near future, or else the Constitutionalists don't make any sense.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:36 No.8732216
    I think Germany would have had a hard time of it, and the 1984 Ingsoc tie-in and "forward base" positioning is more narratively interesting (think: Cuban Missile Crisis).

    Hell, have it conquered by the Soviets while the Nazi-Soviet allience still held, since Germany couldn't do it (they couldn't in real life, after all). And they kept it after the alliance broke.
    Since the IG are largely loosely based on WW2 Soviets (lol "not a step back" Commisars), sounds good to me.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:36 No.8732219

    I'd imagine the entire middle east as a sea of proxy wars and bullshittery.

    Nobody wants to stick their hand in. So long as SOMEONE is sell SOMEONE oil, good.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:37 No.8732226
    I kind of agree, although it'd be hilarious if the Soviets set up a huge beachhead in Iran and the Nazis got extremely pissed at being denied the chance to reclaim their "Aryan Cradle."
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:37 No.8732237
    It's officially part of the Nazi empire but is frequently conquered by Soviets before being taken back. The Nazis refuse to acknowledge any change in its ownership, so it's "officially" a Nazi province.

    They're more willing to accept the contesting of the rest of the Middle East, though.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:39 No.8732271
    Two words drifted through my mind.


    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:39 No.8732283
    He should be as alive as Comrade Obama. Maybe he's gone grey now. Didn't stop Shaun Connery.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:40 No.8732286

    Well, I suppose conceptually it could take place around now or 10-20 years from now. Assuming that America went under in around 1960, that leaves us with a good generation of foreign wars ravaging American soil. A new cult venerating old American values and the Founding Fathers might appear in that time, and nearly every American has, at least once in his life, wished that the Founding Fathers were here so they could see the country/fix it/deplore at what it's become. Given the fanatical devotion many real, current Americans feel towards the Constitution, I'd say that the seeds of Constitutionalism are already sown.

    Just with more zombies.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:40 No.8732297
    Youth treatments. Given only to those who have served the Motherland in an extraordinary capacity.

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    When the only way to kill a Nazi or Constitutionalist is with graceful back-flipping powered hatchet throw with the use of a cybernetic body.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:41 No.8732318
    Hadn't thought of that. And it's a good point.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:41 No.8732325
    The Soviets have invented a chemical solution that can "turn back" the biological clock; taking a long bath every 10 years or so will keep you young, but after about a century of prolonged use it becomes less effective, and by the second century it's almost useless, making it a life extender, not an immortality bath.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:44 No.8732357
    I think a more plausible fall for America would be by 1945, since it's hardly a stretch to imagine all of Europe conquered in half a decade if Germany and Russia worked together.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:44 No.8732361
    Why a bath and not an injection?
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:45 No.8732377
    It could be a mixture of both.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:45 No.8732383

    1945 is still way too soon, I should think. At least until 1950, at the earliest.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:47 No.8732409
    I say the mid sixties. Gives time for Americana to really sink in before isolationist America collapses and is invaded.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:47 No.8732417
    Your babies.
    I wish to have them.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:48 No.8732429
    I dunno; the Spetznaz hit me as being able to do extraordinary things /without/ technological trickery.

    Remember: Soviets are about technological pragmatism: basic, robust, volume, gets the job done. Nazis are about occult, because Indiana Jones forever cemented that. Cool toys are generaly an American thing, and they're gone in this setting. I'm not sure what the SAS or Australian equivalent would be like.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:48 No.8732443
    Because a bath is more plausible.

    Alright, how about 1957?
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:49 No.8732459
    Cyber Spetznaz are the Spetznaz of a world where demons exist and can be conjured inside your anus, by nazis.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:50 No.8732474

    I'm still a bit leery about anything before the 60s, but I'm willing to compromise if you are.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:50 No.8732488
    There is no SAS because Great Britain is part of one of the super powers; which one is still up for debate, though current consensus seems to say Airstrip One for the Soviets.

    Australia is the second most technologically advanced nation, and prefers flashy tech compared to the more practical tech of the Soviets. But they live in Antarctica, so who cares.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:50 No.8732489

    A world where ravenous blood-hungry Presidential ghouls warp reality with sheer necromantic power.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:53 No.8732535
    Well, it's just that I'm trying to work everything into a near-future setting, and the earlier America gets conquered, the better.

    Current timeline says Europe conquered by 1945, America conquered by 1957, nukes invented in 1960, tacnukes in 1966, ceasation of general fighting (but not hostilities) in former US around 1970, foundation of Constitutionalists in 2005 rocks the status quo.

    Current setting is 2025, unless someone has a better idea.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:53 No.8732536
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:53 No.8732547
    Angry MAGICAL woodland critters.

    Isn't he also made of stone and covered in streams and vegetation?
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:54 No.8732552
    The Spetznaz in that world have sufficient control over and strength in their anus muscles to crush demons into oblivion.

    Cyber-SAS, maybe. The Brits did use gadgetry in WW2 (see: Crafty Tricks of War, probably on the tubes), although it was mostly ingeniously simple rather than technobling.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)21:54 No.8732555
    I'd set it in 2015 and bump the Constitutionalist's foundation back to the 80's, to reference the Reagan thing.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:54 No.8732559

    That sounds pretty good. Let's go with that.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:55 No.8732592
    Makes the Constitutionalists too old.
    20 years is really as old as I'm willing to make them; any more than that and they should have resurrected Old Hickory by now.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:56 No.8732603
    The Airstrip One role implies a small degree of autonomy. Britain is highly unlikely to ever be a homogenious part of anything short of nuking it to the ground and repopulating it.

    Hell, in the real world, we still don't consider ourselves to /really/ be part of Europe.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:58 No.8732652

    I don't think that the Constitutionalists should have a set founding date. It would be a sentiment that appealed deeply to the masses of Americans, and grew as an organization, but only in 2005 did they actually come out openly with their own Declaration of Independence, in homage to the holy text. By that time, they'd converted a significant amount of the populace to their side, and had already begun work reanimating the Founding Lords. By 2025, they've retaken America's heartland, inch by bloody inch, and the game begins as the Constitutionalists finalize the summoning of [INSERT LORD OF CHOICE HERE].
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)21:59 No.8732666
    You get some autonomy but it's all make-believe to make the people accept the figurehead rulers.

    So anyway, I think we should make the official word for Nazi magic users "Sorcerors," so we don't have to specify that they're Nazis. All Nazi magic users should be called Sorcerors, with subdivisions for different schools of magic.

    I also propose that the Nazis should approach magic as a science, using the Scientific Method to figure out how certain rituals and components work together to provide the desired results.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:01 No.8732691
    it seems unlikelly that nazis would invade the usa, thousands of miles across the ocean, without securing the islands lying few miles away from their core area (and supposedly being a giant soviet fortress). anyway with soviets and amis being neutral (sorta) during the ww2 and hitler conquering most of the europe, it's more likely brits would be either conquered as well, or unite with nazis, since hitler thought they were aryans too and actually wanted to get them "heim ins reich" rather than fight
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:01 No.8732702

    That works fine. Lab-suited Sorcerers finalizing occult formulae painstakingly in a white, sterile room. Battlefield Sorcerers would be different entirely, capable of working the rituals and having the skill necessary to enact them without really understanding how any of it works, much like soldiers don't really know how a lot of their equipment works.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:02 No.8732713
    We agreed they were either conquered by the Nazis or by the Soviets. If the latter, they may or may not still be held by the Soviets.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:04 No.8732756
    what i say is, it makes more sense for brits to belong to nazis by default
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:05 No.8732770

    That's my line of thinking as well.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:06 No.8732794
    Magic would be studied academically in beautiful, white-walled academies throughout Germany. All Sorcerers would have a deep understanding of the magic they wield, and many would specialize in a particular school, becoming much better with this school at the expense of skill in others.

    The laboratory sorcerers would go to Academy (what's the German word for Academy?) for more years, earning a sort of PhD in magic.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:07 No.8732816
    Sounds good.
    It would make a good launching pad for a Soviet assault on the USA.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:07 No.8732827

    Methinks puppet government.

    It isn't quite the Britain we know, but it is Britain.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:08 No.8732856

    Konservatorium der Hexeneinmaleins.

    Note that I don't speak German, so this is likely extremely grammatically incorrect, but it basically translates to "Conservatory of Magic Formulae."
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:09 No.8732878
    Why not just jump both feet into making the Big 3 Orwell's nations from 1984?
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:10 No.8732899
    That will be the name of the central academy in Berlin. Can any German-speakers correct his grammar?

    But we need the word for "Academy," as a general word for going to magic school, for example: "I have come fo age and am now going to Academy to study sorcerery."
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:11 No.8732907
    Akademie lol
    another funny idea would be to somehow implement the pagan elements of nazi mystics (sacred grovs and secret knight orders or something) but im not sure how this would work out connected with "academic germans"
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:11 No.8732910

    I don't know. I like the idea of the Nazis specializing in Demonology by default. I also think that "Battlefield" Sorcerers should be different in some way from "Civilian" Sorcerers, either by training or knowledge or whatever.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:12 No.8732919
    I'm cool with everything so far. Puppet Britain seems like it'd be cool.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:12 No.8732931
    Because we aren't going for an oppressive totalitarian planet, we're going for an awesome tabletop setting.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:13 No.8732939
    This is where the "conquered while Soviet-Nazi alliance still holds, then with the Soviets after it broke down" theory comes in.

    But you are never going to make Britain part of a larger organisation without removing all the British first. Between the disposition from being the bastard children of Viking and Roman raids, the quasi-isolationist effects of living on a largely disconnected (remember, no Channel Tunnel or pervasive Internet-grade communications in this time period) island, and the national pride of uppity "we once had an EMPIRE" types, holding the existing population under a foreign government would be a monumental effort. It seems far more likely to me that if we buckled under the weight of combined Eurasian power, we'd end up as some kind of protectorate.

    Hell, trying to remove the Queen would pretty much guarantee an absolute shitstorm of an occupation---she might be just a figurehead, but you're going to get passive-aggressive resistance out of the vast majority of the population, minimum. Expect all military logistics to end up fucked six ways to Sunday.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:13 No.8732940

    Maybe instead of schools or academies, German Sorcerers would train at Knightly Orders, mimicking those rites. I dunno. Right now we're just brainstorming.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:14 No.8732959
    konservatorium is something like a music school
    and hexeneinmaleins would mean "sorcery 101" but it sounds very funny in german :)
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:14 No.8732961
    I think a loose analogue for engineers should suffice.

    One makes equipment and demons that function in combat, the other makes equipment and demons that functions in civilian life.

    "What do you do?"

    "Oh, I make spawn-bind engines for the army."

    "Really? I wanted specialize in that, but my mother convinced me that I should work in the civilian sector. I currently develop toadie-engines for janitorial work."
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:15 No.8732969

    I know it was closer to a music school, but I chose that word on purpose because I didn't want magic to seem TOO sterile and scientific.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:16 No.8732993
    Demonology would be their specialty but their advantage over the Constitutionalists is that they, as a nation, use all forms of magic, whereas the Constitutionalists specialize in Necromancy.

    Battlefield sorcerers would receive extra training from the SS or a similar organization after leaving Akademie. Other sorcerers would become laboratory researchers, having a deeper knowledge of magic but sharing a jargon that battlefield casters can understand. Still more would be civil servants, running the powerful magical power plants that provide electricity to all German cities.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:18 No.8733017
    I'm less-than-subtly favouring the Soviets holding Airstrip One for this very reason. It fits perfectly with Ingsoc.

    Also, I think it's good for setting reasons to have that thorn in Germany's side. There's no reason why Soviet-protected-Britain can't be under constant fear of German attack (oh, hey, much like the '80s and the Cold War---we didn't get half the missile warning the US got)---this just feeds back into the 1984 ties and makes for strong campaign/roleplaying possibilities (Nazi adventuring party looking to cripple Early Warning System, anyone?).
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:18 No.8733022
    I suggest calling lab magicians "Sorcerers" and battlefield ones "Mages"
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:20 No.8733043
    "Mage" doesn't quite sound scientific enough is the problem.

    I'm assuming you're from Germany. What are the German words for "Sorcerer" and "Mage?"
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:21 No.8733059
    What about "Wizard" or "Conjuror" or "Invoker"?
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:22 No.8733081
    "Hexer" and "Magier"
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:23 No.8733098
    Going with the East Coast, save for D.C: and surroundings under control by the nazis:

    Unteroffizier Ernst Schrenger ducked into the trench as another salvo of gunfire raked his position out of the mob of undead that had overrun the first trench line. He quickly snapped back up, firing a salvo og explosive bullets from his antiquated FG-42 into the mass of dead bodies, aiming for the spot the enemy fire had come from. At least it was high-calibre enough to reliably put those shambling horrors down. He cursed as he saw more tracers streaking out from the overrun trench line. "Snipers, get those riflemen in the first trench, verdammt noch mal!" he screamed towards the positions behind the trench. "Machinegunners, let them have it. No sense in saving the ammo now."

    'What a shitty day', he thought by himself while reloading. Not that any day in the 216th Infantry Regiment aka the "Black Sheep" could be called good. A unit compromised of drop-outs from the eugenics program, shanghai'd non-aryans and political non-comformists, the 216th was one of the infamous penal units, sent to do the most shitty duties, equipped with outdated surplus weapons and without any support. Just the right unit to guard a portion of the perimeter around the rather newly formed D.C. Containment Zone, formed after the undead and their living worshippers still thrived in the area even after multiple nuclear strikes.

    And now they were attacking the perimeter. Not a mere raid or a smaller horde stumbling upon it and mindlessly marching into the crossfire, a full-scale attack supported by living gunmen and, at places, even fuckin' sorcerers.Those, luckily, had been taken care of by the snipers and were now seemingly content with watching the carnage. Not that it helped Schrenger's men much.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:24 No.8733105
    Emptying another magazine, the Sergeant again cursed fate for putting him into this clusterfuck. Who could have known that that general didn't have a sense of humor? Goddamn eugenics-produced stuck-ups. And now he was in charge of what was left of the company, after all the officers had been killed.

    While reloading again, Schrenger more felt than heard a thump right next to him. Looking up, he was greeted by the dead visage of a zombie that somehow made it into the trench. He knew that visage. He stumbled back and drew his pistol, a mix of fear, anger and (strangely) pity pumping even more adrenalin through his veins. "Ach Scheiße, Heini", he murmured, before putting a bullet into the brain of his old friend.

    Seconds later, he heard a infernal, painful shrieking sound, making him want to cover his ears. Before his eyes, something swooped down on the overrun trench and bathed it into flame, turning living and dead alike into ash. He only caught a glimpse of something he wasn't sure he wanted to see at all. He and the remainder of the company, now less than two platoons, shot up the remaining undead stumbling along between the trench lines, supported by several heavy cannons opening up.

    Turning around, he saw an entire convoy of armored vehicles coming their way. 'Reinforcements, some Panzer unit. And sorcerers, too, judging by that demon. But, boy, they look young. Fresh meat, eh?', he thought by himself. Seeing the smug look of the young textbook aryan standing in the cupola of the lead tank, Schrenger couldn't but give the newcomers a proper welcome.

    "About time you showed up, Bubis! You're missing all the fun!"
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:25 No.8733116
    Thank you bro.

    We should use "Magier" for battlefield casters. I don't entirely understand German pluralization. Would multiple Magier be "Magien?"

    Wizard is too unscientific, the other two would likely be used to refer to specialist sorcerers. A Conjurer would be someone who specializes in summoning magic.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:26 No.8733135
    wizard = Zauberer
    Conjuror = Beschwörer (or Beschwoerer if you don't have "ö")
    not sure what's invoker, maybe you can describe this class in few words?
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:28 No.8733165
    Delicious writefaggotry.

    I shall endeavor to do the same if the muses will it.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:29 No.8733177
    it's not uncommon for plural to have the "-en" -ending, but in this case both plural and singular are "Magier"
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:29 No.8733180
    Forumfag here, everything should be functioning but it's still subject to change.

    I put up a post explaining the Constitutionalists but I must be leaving now.

    I'll read through this thread tomorrow when I have a chance but I must go to sleep now.

    Bye bye Anon, this was great fun and I hope something substantial actually comes from it all.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:30 No.8733195
    I was just using it as a synonym for "Wizard."

    Other types might include support-mages and Warlocks to poison or otherwise debuff the enemy. Maybe a dedicated anti-magic mage who just runs jamming or interference.
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    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:31 No.8733205
    Original thread archived at +7 votes. Suggest that archiver also adds this thread.

    (I'm not doing it because I have a bad habit of fucking up the tags.)
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:33 No.8733233
    Do we even know if they're still here?

    I'm still thinking about German unit types.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:36 No.8733287
    The way he wrote the summary of the constitutionalists appears to equate Andrew Jackson with Cthulu. This pleases me.

    I submit that George Washington is Azathoth, with Jefferson his Nyarlathotep.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:39 No.8733324
    The Queen on an Airship was an awesome idea. After the fall of Britain in 1955 to the Demonic forces of Reich, the Young Queen took to the skies in the enormous Submersible-Airship Britannia, a 3km long masterpeice of British engineering and arcane techno-sorcery built during the Empire's last days.

    Held aloft largely due to the queens own formiddable powers, Britannia represents the last hope, but folorn hope of the British People. Surviving by pure piracy, either dropping from the sky or rising from the waves to steal and plunder, the Britannia is mass of gun batteries, bomb bays and aircraft decks, all carrying thousands of rocket powered bi-planes and jetpack wearing cyber-commandos of the SAS.

    The Britannia largely occupies itself with gathering enough resources to fuel it's century long private war against the Nazi-occupiers of it's homeland, returning occasionally to obliterate the cities of the collaborators with hundreds of magicka bombs and sorcerous incendiaries. The Queen now living long past her alloted time but unable to die away from the soil of her nation, inflicts as much horror on her own people as that of the Nazi's or Soviets, all in order to destabilise the country enough so that Britannian forces could seize central London long enough to release the spirit of 'The Bulldog', the unbelievably powerful pyschic force imprisoned beneath the now ruined houses of parliament, created by Churchill's martyrdom in the last days of the fall.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:42 No.8733362
    The real brits seem to really dislike the queen idea.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:44 No.8733401

    I'm pretty indifferent to the entire monarchy, but I find the entire concept of some damn peasant screaming "FUCKING ROYALS" as his house burns down to be funny.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:45 No.8733419
    ok guys im leaving too, since it's pretty late here, just few last thoughts before i go:
    battle mages are "Kampfmagier"
    high ranked sorcerers are "Hexenmeister"
    demon conjurers/summoners are "Dämonenbeschwörer"
    hope this helps, cya all.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:45 No.8733421
    I imagine the idea of an ancient, craggy old woman running around blowing up people's houses is somewhat ironic too.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:45 No.8733433
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    Wow, /tg/ getting shit done. And I'm in the middle of it. Go on, fellow fa/tg/uys, this is awesome.

    Also, delicious writefaggotry.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:47 No.8733462

    Fuck no. I'm a britfag and I fucking love the idea of an immortal queenie flying around on a dieselpunk magic airship bombing the shit out of soviet/nazi british cities, with robotic sas men trying to release a demonic spirit of pure britishness.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:49 No.8733482
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    I very much disapprove of this idea. Why not throw in some monacle-popping tally-ho steampunk gents in top hats while you're at it?

    I am pretty much certain that the Queen would not flee. She is not like the US President but with more jewelry and corgis; people do not bundle her into an armoured limo and whisk her away when a baloon pops at a press conference. She stayed there all through the bombing of London in WW2, and that kind of not-being-budged-by-this-kind-of-thing British stereotype is far more interesting (and less painful to actual Britfags) than warrior-queen exile.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:49 No.8733494
    i think queen is a pretty cool guy, eh is a female Nemo and doesn't afraid of anything
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:52 No.8733533
    How aobut switching the roles of Churchill and the queen? After all, old Winston actually planned to evac his govenrment and fight on from the colonies in case the germans invaded the british islands.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:52 No.8733545
    >For some reason we should figure out, peace remained between Germany and the Soviet Union for much longer than it did in real life, only breaking when the Nazis invaded the Americas.

    ...I wrote that post in the original thread, then had to leave.
    I come back to find sudden awesomeness, Nazi magic and a homebrew in the making.
    Goddamnit /tg/ I love you.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:53 No.8733557

    You're just another sympathising collaborator. The resistance should have you shot for spouting that kind of propaganda. The Queen didn't abandon us. She made a fighting retreat, like at Dunkirk and Birmingham. She's still fighting now, wiping out people like you, fat and happy on the lies of our occupiers.

    I know who's fighting for Britain and the Empire.

    God Save the Queen.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:53 No.8733565

    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:54 No.8733569
    I think that all factions should have sympathetic points as well. Surprisingly, the Constitutionalists seem to be the most out-and-out evil, but I'd rather they be less generic horror villains and more tragic villains driven to extremes. They truly, fervently believe in Truth, Democracy, Equality for All, and the American Dream; they're just too deluded to recognize the horror of their undead state. They believe that in death, all are equal. They believe that the Founding Fathers will save their nation and return it to how it used to be, without ever realizing that there is no return. Same with the Nazis. They can love. They have families. Living in a non-warzone Nazi city should be pretty sweet so long as you aren't an undesirable. The Soviets, strangely, will be closest to the "good guys" because they're closest to humanity, but at the same time their humanity causes them to do despicable things. In short, all should have redeeming qualities while remaining staunchly villainous.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:54 No.8733571
    Some of our dudes are bailing. I'm going to go ahead and archive it, but we can continue.

    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:55 No.8733588
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:56 No.8733610
    Sounds pretty Machina Dei. I like it.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:56 No.8733618

    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:57 No.8733637

    No, this should be Grimdark pulp fiction. But so over the top as to be ridiculous and humourous. Introducing elements like humanity and redeeming qualities paves the way for the setting to become serious, just like what happened to batshit crazy 40k between 1e and 3e, and lose all it's charm.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)22:57 No.8733643
    While it'll be difficult to paint the Nazis as anything other than... well, Nazis, I do agree that every faction should have a degree of moral ambiguity.

    It actually might be interesting to have the Constitutionalists be RIGHT in that death isn't such a bad thing really.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:58 No.8733650
    Yeah. I know we're driving Nazi and Soviet stereotypes with this but, goddamn, the "Britain is made of cockney chimneysweeps, dapper gents, and the Queen" one really has been absolutely done to death, reincarnated, then turned by a level 20 cleric by now. (To be honest, I'd like to get some Russfags in here to help keep the Soviet side of this on track so we don't go all COMRADE COMERADE VODKA COMRADE.)

    I'd also like to keep the core of this setting vaguely ground in realism, because I think that ultimately keeps it more flexible, letting individual campaigns vary in how GRIMDARK or Bethsda-Fallout-silly they want to be. And the Queen is not a leader in any real sense---she's a figurehead.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:59 No.8733662

    Well, both have their good points. I imagine that the GM could run it as either, depending upon his point of view. Although, I wasn't really changing anything we'd established so much as introducing another way of looking at it.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)22:59 No.8733670
    Because you're all fucking idiots who lack any element of self-thought and reflection. Go kill yourselves.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:00 No.8733681
    Hey, maybe she can be a literal figurehead.

    I mean it. Tie her to the front of the boat. She's sure to absorb one or two shells!


    Anywho, I don't think it should be SUPER GRIMDARK. Just different, in ways that are horrifying, and at the same time fascinating.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:02 No.8733716

    All? That's a bit extreme, certainly. It's a matter of preference, anyways. Just because someone prefers over-the-top GRIMDARK wackiness in a campaign setting doesn't render him incapable of thought or reflection.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:02 No.8733718
    i rather see the setting as a mix between ctulhu and dark heresy, all the way grimdark, but not really humorus
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:03 No.8733734
    Speaking of, I wonder if you could run this setting in Cthulutech.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:04 No.8733743

    I dunno, it seems pretty funny to me.

    Whoever wins, we win. Because of the ridiculous awesome fight-scenes.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:06 No.8733774
    With the end of capitalism and the liberal society, anarchism died. Or, at least, many people wished it did. In truth anarchism is one of the few idealogies to escape from the burning house of capitalism during the 1950s.

    Going to ground, hiding from sight, and biding their time, anarchists clung to their notions of a governmentless state in a world now dominated by states politely termed "repressive."

    Hunted by nearly every regime, reviled by the population at large, and murdered in broad daylight, anarchists fought to survive and escape into the darkness. Eventually they succeeded, at least partially, in the free states. Here they are afforded some peace, here they plan, here they rest, and here they marshal their strength.

    Few groups are willing to move against the superstates. Few would risk almost certain death to topple the great regimes. Few would take on an task psychotic and enormous.

    The anarchists will, and damn the logic of it.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:06 No.8733778
    Better yet, good old fashioned CoC.

    Andrew Jackson clubs 1d4 players to death with his cane each turn.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:07 No.8733801
    Holy shit, /tg/, how did you fuckers go from "lol Obama is a Muslim it said so on Fox" to this? I mean, Christ.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:10 No.8733842
    This is /tg/ works. Occasionally we get autosage-length threads about politics, and occasionally we make shit like this.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:11 No.8733847

    I kinda like the idea, but I can't see them really being anything more than a very minor annoyance to the Superpowers. They might swell in numbers, seeing the destruction government wrought, but just as many would likely join the Soviets or a Free State for protection.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:12 No.8733868
    Yeah. They'd work pretty well as a Free State fluke.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:13 No.8733876
    Grimdark is 40K's schtick. Don't try to compete with 40K---they've already taken it beyond the impossible and out the other side back into self-parody.

    _Bleak_, however, is good. My raging Britfaggotry is showing again in that I have a massive hard-on for the kind of heavy-duty black comedy that doesn't really involve jokes, laughter, or sillyness.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:14 No.8733893
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    I figure that even in the "free states" they get harassed and kicked around because they might bring the superstates down on them.

    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:15 No.8733912
    I agree with Rorschach.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:16 No.8733920

    Bleak is good, but I don't think that hopelessness is. Although, looking through there isn't a whole lot of hope unless you're a fan of extremist ideologies.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:16 No.8733921
    What is the defining difference?
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:18 No.8733956

    MOAR writefaggotry!
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:22 No.8734016
    How about instead of Britain falling into Nazi hands.

    It turns out, King Aurthur comes back to life from Avalon in the wake of Britain's most dire hour. Begins a grand ritual, by utilizing ancient magic using the Ley line alignments and runic magic to lift Britannia and her sister islands into the sky? Thwarting the Nazi invasion. However King Arthur is forever confined in the ritual's circle, lest the Britannia plunges into the oceans.

    After years studying the properties of how the magic works, the brits figure out a way to move their flying islands. Creating impenetrable sky fortresses.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:24 No.8734045
    I don't think that actual Constitutionalists should be part of the shambling hordes of undead, at least not until they've got their hands on Commie corpses. They're willing to risk their unlives, but would be more like sergeants directing the lesser dead intelligently and with purpose. However, even though they're undead they should still have basic human emotions; none of this "completely stripped of feeling" nonsense. Living Constitutionalists, while not as highly regarded as the undead, still wouldn't be shock-troopers, and would be more like spies or Special Forces infiltrating other living societies, something the undead can't do. I also don't think the unliving Constitutionalists should rot, either. Instead, they should remain perfectly preserved. Dead, but able to mold flesh like clay, with their troopers being hideous and frightening, but their citizens looking much like they did in life.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:26 No.8734079

    That sounds cheesy even for this thread, without any bad guys either. We don't really want the players to root for any capable faction, and having a floating island of magical Superbrits sort of defeats that.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:26 No.8734081
    >However, even though they're undead they should still have basic human emotions; none of this "completely stripped of feeling" nonsense.

    I am thinking of Knights in the Nightmare from this post. It's a good line of thought.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:28 No.8734107
    Obnoxious magical superbrits, who raids and blunders everyone.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:29 No.8734117
    Lack of oversized pauldrons.

    Seriously, though, it's that there aren't Tyranids and Necrons and the standard issue weapon is a full-auto RPG and the Universe is absolutely fucking doomed one way or another if the plot ever advances and...

    Instead, you're living in a totalitarian, mismanaged state, impotently hoping that one day you'll get a cigarette that doesn't fall apart in your fingers, that you won't have to carefully watch what you say about the government while uneasily joking with friends, that you won't have to worry about another bombing raid after decades of on-and-off skirmishing...that one day you can /relax/.

    (Of course, that's a plain old civvie somewhere in Soviet-held nations. Frontline troops get standard horrors of war. Resistance fighters, special forces, whatever the PCs play in an interesting campaign can get extra doses of desperation and will to do whatever they need to bring an end to the whole fucking thing, or maybe they're soaked in propaganda and nationalistic fervour, or...as long as the setting allows PCs the flexibility here, 'sall good.)
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:29 No.8734122

    Never played that game, so I don't really know what you're referencing. Could you elaborate?
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:30 No.8734131
    To those in the last thread who did not like the Australia was advanced:

    That was the damn point. They had no resources, but hated the rest of the world and were hellbent on colonizing the moon for resources to use their super-tech with. They were solely a macguffin. If there was someone who couldn't be killed, the Australians would dump them in a god-awful tomb in outer-space. Or if someone tried to colonize the ice caps for some sort of superweapon, they were obliterated by the Australian military. The only thing they aren't short on is energy after creating a perpetual alcohol-machine.

    The Britons were in an airship because of the Blitz. Elizabeth went mad during it and ordered a huge ark-ship built, which she keeps the remaining free-britons on board while she travels the world, trying to find the knowledge to awaken the British Bulldog.

    She's also the only one with nukes.

    And America got really big, really quick. I just liked the idea of a dead wasteland with a Necrocracy. IF anyone dies, they simply reanimate inside a tomb in their state. The corpses become more sentient as they

    They weren't intended to be played. America was pure magic - evil magic. Australia was pure, morally neutral technology, but without the resources to bring it to bear. Briton was a mix of the two, with druidism and spirit magic, nuclear warheads and victorian steam tech - and for GM fiat, because they could be anywhere, any time and do things that the vast empire of the Nazi Magocracy could not.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:30 No.8734139
    I think we'll stay away from Glorious Flying Albion if it's all the same.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:32 No.8734158
    That doesn't sound too unreasonable. It helps that every side involves humans necessarily, so it helps to avoid the 40k-ishness.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:32 No.8734159
    And each, except America, had win conditions - the Britons liberated Albion by awakening the Spirit of the Land chained beneath Westminster. Australia got to the moon and finally had the resources to fuck up everyone. America was just ruled by undead monstrosities from History. It was a dead zone, like the bermuda triangle. The Nazis were still the all powerful mages, the Red Army was a monolithic techno-juggernaut.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:32 No.8734167

    You seem like you lost some words, there.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:34 No.8734195

    I dunno, it seems like the American's win condition is "fulfill manifest destiny." Just because you're dead doesn't mean you can't win.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:35 No.8734202
    We should make a pact here and now to actually show progress, and not sink into 40k doldrums.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:35 No.8734209
    Shit changes. Them's the breaks for being really early in the process.

    Agreed, it sounds significantly more... positive than this setting is going for.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:35 No.8734214

    What do you mean? It's a setting, not a story. We don't want to go the way of oWoD and have an immutable metaplot that the players can't advance, do we?
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:36 No.8734215

    Goddamnit, you lot are doing it on purpose now.

    Protip: Ireland would be having none of it. They were neutral during WW2 and pretty much hate us. The Channel Islands fell in 1940.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:36 No.8734216
    Communism... lol.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:38 No.8734243
    It's not, though. It's an airship ruled by a mad woman who should be long dead, loaded with nuclear warheads, that can be found on sea or land, populated by the last few Britons not under fascist rule. All their druids are mad because they are too long away from the land.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:38 No.8734247

    To be fair, that was one guy, and the rest of us said, "No, that's stupid."

    Although, yeah, he was totally doing that on purpose.
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    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:38 No.8734255
    Yeah. Shit actually has a chance of changing the way this is set up so far, let's not cock it up into being immutable.

    It doesn't have to be metaplot so much as flexibility.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:39 No.8734269
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:41 No.8734307
    In Soviet Canada, iz very cold.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:41 No.8734308
    That sounds fine.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:42 No.8734320
    Including nukes with any real mobility in this setting just makes it inexplicable that the war has lasted into the 21st century.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:45 No.8734366
    Tacnukes aren't so bad, and besides, both sides have a stake in NOT rendering the earth into a molten, daemon-haunted slurry.

    Upon reflection, I'd say that the airship full of insane druids is pretty awesome.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:46 No.8734377
    Maybe just assume all nukes are tacnuke-sized? Enough to be a terror, but not enough to glass fucking everything?

    Also, it's not as inexplicable when you bring conquest into the argument. People don't tend to take a dump on the front doorstep of the house they intend to move into.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:50 No.8734450
    I'm still not sure how much SCIENCE I want the Soviets to have.

    I could see some crazy Tesladyne doomsday shit coming out of the woodwork.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:52 No.8734486
    >Upon reflection, I'd say that the airship full of insane druids is pretty awesome.
    >airship full of insane druids
    I suppose Stonehenge is actually an ancient, forgotten superweapon, then. While we're at it, Russia's military is actually made entirely of Bear cavalry, all colours other than red are outlawed, and Stalin is a 50-foot-tall robot with laser-beam eyes who urinates pure vodka.

    When did this turn into Red Alert 3?
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:53 No.8734493
    Vacuum bombs?
    Magnet Satellite drop?
    Tesladyne hurricane/thunderstorm generators?
    Earthquake machines?
    Ripping off of red alert series of games?
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:54 No.8734515
    Nope. Stonehenge is a clock.

    It's WOODHENGE that's the forgotten superweapon. Forgotten because, being made of wood, it rotted after only a few decades.

    Druids are kind of stupid.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:55 No.8734530
    Like, at the beginning of it. At least for the Soviets.
    >> Anonymous 03/22/10(Mon)23:56 No.8734544
    Stone Henge control tectonic plate movements.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/22/10(Mon)23:58 No.8734583
    I'd say the most original idea that came out of this was the insane necromantic Constitutionalists.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:00 No.8734615
    I might call the start of it Red Alert 1. Then we took a rather interesting turn into something a bit more serious and fleshed-out. Now it seems to have veered back into LOL ZANY with a vengance.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:01 No.8734631
    Definitely. As long as it doesn't become too Red Alert, though, a little unoriginality based on old classics never hurt anyone. Let's just try not to go overboard with the SUPERWEAPONS and TESLA SCIENCE and such.
    >> Comrade Ivan 03/23/10(Tue)00:04 No.8734672
    True. Tacnukes are scary enough on their own, not to mention the hordes of power-armored fodder soldiers and tanks the size of small houses.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:16 No.8734805
    On that line of thought, let's try to un-zany the Brits a little.

    Our idea so far is a giant airship with the Queen inside. That's fine and all, but it's a little past what we have so far. I propose we make Britain into more of a mobile city, set up by a network of airships. This can land either in sea or on land as necessary. The brits are known to trade with free states occasionally, though most do not risk drawing the ire of either the Soviets or the Germans.

    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:18 No.8734839
    I could see south america developing into a massive proxy war.

    In the north, Brazil and allies vs Argentina and allies. Given the extremely hard terrain and stress on equipment, the war has bogged down into trench warfare in mountains and jungle fighting where the remainder of the amazon rainforest hasn't burnt down from napalm.

    Both the communists and fascist use the protracted conflict to test their equipment, cut their teeth, and earn promotions when fighting tapers off elsewhere in the world. Entering year #10, the Brazil-Argentinean war is best considered a "war in a rubber container", sealed when need be, but open and accessible when desired.

    Peace has been tried, but in truth both powers are sockpuppets of the two blocks. Similar to rock-em-sock-em robots, both exist to pummel each other for the amusement of men very far away.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:19 No.8734852
    South America becomes a proxy battleground. I like it.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:20 No.8734876
    Let's have it, after a few years or decades, the mobile city or island is falling apart, because the magic or miracle that keeps it flying is little understood, and fading out.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:26 No.8734960
    Sounds good. One of the things they trade for are patches for this problem - technological things like thrusters/fuel and such that won't really replicate what made it all tick in the first place, but get close enough to get by. The situation becoming more and more desperate forces them to not only trade with free states but raid settlements owned by everyone. This gets the expected response, of course.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:27 No.8734976
    ...you do realise that airships are more likely to be associated with Germans, right? Zepplin much?

    Well, anyway. It's now stupid-o-clock in Britfagland, so I'll bit you gentlemen goodnight, and let the archive catch the rest of the RAGE-inducing Britabooisms.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:28 No.8734999
    I'm just building off of what we had before. Other ideas are welcomed.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:33 No.8735060
    There have been other ideas in this thread. We discussed and refined them. Then someone skipped over that and brough up goddamn steampunk airships again.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:38 No.8735146
    There. I've put a write up of the two 'major' 'free' states on the forum, Britannia and Australia. If anyone wants to add, be my guest.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:39 No.8735162
    Reading through the thread, they were vaguely touched on here and there, and nothing was refined as you suggest.

    If I missed something huge that we actually all agreed on, feel free to repost it and expand upon it. It's a better expression than just straight-up saying the idea blows.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:42 No.8735222
    Ooops, forgot first part.
    The Line, a point demarcated across the country from Brisbane, was the point that the Australians would not allow any to penetrate. Anything beyond, the invaders were welcome to. Behind it, gallant troops would prevent their passage. Or so John Curtin, then Prime Minister, decreed. Unfortunately, the howling communist hordes cared not for the bravery of the Australian troops and invaded the country, pushing further and further south. Abandoned by Britain, their traditional protector, Australia began a rapid technological innovation as the Red Army slaughtered all in its path. Finally, in 1950, even with their advancements into alco-tech, Australia was pushed south to Tasmania. There, they frantically loaded their remaining citizens aboard gleaming enclosures of brown glass and crystal, trying to hold back the unstoppable Soviet Juggernaut as they stained the ground red with the blood of Australian citizens. The last transports left as the Soviet Power Assist suits cleared the beach dunes, having exterminated the citizenry from Darwin to Hobart, making the last remaining Australians those currently fleeing south.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:44 No.8735253
    Upon arrival, it was determined that a mere 45,000 Australians had survived. Using the new Eternal Victoria Bitter engine, a potent source of energy that could supply colossal amounts of power they quickly built a vast network of infrastructure designed to shield them from the Antarctic weather. Research continued. The new Nation expanded. In 1955, Curtin's Curtain was raised. A colossal energy barrier that would not only make the continent seem to be empty, hiding the sprawling lights of the Australian infrastructure, it interfered with radio contact outside and was nearly impossible to breach physically. Australia was safe. Abandoned by the Empire, their country inhabited by Soviets and their people destroyed, Australia vowed to build their numbers and leave the planet. Technological development continued. In 1965, they placed a man on the moon, Steve Irwin. In 1970, they built a space elevator to a cloaked station in LEO. Technological development continued, until the start of construction on a moonbase - a station in orbit around Luna that would allow for technology research to be conducted into alcotech. Now, in 2010, it is approximately three years from completion. The harsh nature of antarctica, before the construction of Curtin's Curtain, whittled down the population and today, the Australian people stand at 18,000.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)00:45 No.8735283
    Australian magic is primarily devoted to dispellation and disruption of magic, as well as physical enhancement. OTher forms do exist, but are seen as a cultural betrayal and, thanks to the harsh nature of antarctic life, often fatal. Australian thaumaturgy lags behind the major world powers, with only their prowess in the obliteration of magical matrices hiding them from sight by scrying.

    Australian technology is far in advance of any other nation. All citizens are rejuvenated at age 60, their bodies returning to the youthful age of 18. Nanotech is in abundance, computing is in advance. Implants, both cybernetic and biological are common and expected. Alco-tech provides unlimited energy, however, the complete lack of resources of Antarctica means that the diminished people must make do. Resources are hewn from the sea bed, dug from the ice or stolen from Australia by daring SASR commandoes, sneaking between the Soviet Dreadnaughts that lurk in the wilds between the protected Red Enclaves that now serve as Australia's population, all transplanted Soviets. Australia no longer maintains contact with Britain after their abandonment.

    End goal: Complete lunar station, complete moon base.

    Needed: Time, resources.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)01:03 No.8735647
    So what I'm seeing is that they trade population and location advantages for a massive tech advantage. Definitely interesting.

    What kinds of weaponry does alco-tech translate into?
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)01:08 No.8735751
    >In 1965, they placed a man on the moon, Steve Irwin

    I admit this is somewhat fitting.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)01:13 No.8735842
    Laser weaponry, mostly. It's a massive amount of energy. A bottle of VB (stubbie) in real life is about the size of your fist. One of those holds, in Deathworld, a metric fucktonne of energy - enough to power a car for eternity.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)01:14 No.8735860
    Nice. That sounds pretty cool, and it's distinct enough to be interesting.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)01:22 No.8736028
    Also: Getting as drunk as shit.

    But when does Death World Antistralia get it's superdeath spiders and the biomodded pain that is left to kick the Soviets in the knees and eat their stuff?

    Also, Airship Albion haters? Kindly remember giant Dread Hickory needs something as a challenge, and Apocalypse Tanks and OGRE piloted by demons aren't going to stand much of a chance.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)01:26 No.8736105
    I'm not sure why the Brits would ever attack America. It doesn't seem like there'd be much for them there that they can't get in less undead-infested places.

    Besides, nobody can do much against Dread Hickory. That's pretty much the point.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)01:35 No.8736268
    Once the Soviets think they've won. The moon is the Australian win condition - abundant resources mean they can finally explode in terms of research and tech. What they've done already is only a taster.

    The queen is quite mad, and it might be one of the things she needs to Awaken the Bulldog. Who I imagine is wearing a Churchhill outfit. Or she might, in a moment of clarity, decide she wants to be destroyed and charge Hickory. Or Australia might seal him away somewhere with a lot of effort and life lost.
    >> Anonymous 03/23/10(Tue)01:39 No.8736372
    Anyway, as it is, an Australian soldier alone should be worth a damn battallion. But because there are so few, even if all of them fought, they'd be obliterated. The army only consists of a thousand people, anyway. The rest are researchers, miners and builders.

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