I'll go ahead and post the link to the last thread.
(YES THE OP IS A TROLLPOST BUT IT GETS EPIC FURTHER DOWN)
>>8727153
Also the link to the forum.
http://deathworld.forumotions.com/index.htm
Understand that the forum may break randomly until I figure out how everything works.

I'm not sure why you separated the forum into the factions without anything else, but I guess there's a learning curve to consider.

>>8730869
It's all a work in progress; stuff will move around as necessary.

For now we should focus mainly on the setting. I'm about to put the basics of each faction in bullet-point format in their respective forums. Additions, corrections etc. are welcome once I've got that out of the way.

Suggestions for format are also accepted at this time, as currently nothing is set in stone.

I also added descriptions of each faction.

hey admin, i suggest you sticky the archived version of the original thread somewhere on the forum
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8727153/

Just to get things rolling, a quick summary of what happened so far:

For some reason we should figure out, peace remained between Germany and the Soviet Union for much longer than it did in real life, only breaking when the Nazis invaded the Americas.

Due to this divergence, technology developed along different paths than it normally would have, with the Germans becoming skilled demonologists and arcanists, and the Soviets perfecting a different variety of hard science than we're used to.

Having been at war for decades now, the two powers are in a stalemate, with the Americas reduced to a howling wasteland covered in zombies and the ressurected Presidents and Antarctica colonized by Australians who use Fosters-Powered technology.

You may wish to be less sympathetic toward the demon-summoning, ethnic cleansing NAZIS.

Fuck if our comrades haven't buggered off.

This is why you disapoint me /tg/. No endurance.

A forum is totally the wrong tool for this. Needs more wiki.

/tg/ is meant to be vague. We don't want to hammer down a specific setting, or strictly define ourselves with moderation. We just want to brainstorm.

Or you're not actually namefag OP.

Wiki's are hard. And we already started dammit.

>>8731033
We were doing well until just before the thread switch. I dunno what happened.

>>8731043
They are?
Forumfag here, point me in the right direction and I can probably get a wiki working.

>>8730938
of the lesser talked about nations it was established that the people's movement in china became absorbed into the Soviet Republics (And with Alaska being the last free living state in the northern Americas, the ruskies basically control half the world).
I'd presume that much of the very Himalayas would form a secondary/tertiary fortifications (the GLORIOUS WALL OF THE MOTHERLAND), riddled with thousands of miles of underground passages (think Maginot line, but with Russian practicality and billions and billions of chinese workers).
Also, if China-land becomes a subsidiary of mother russia and the latter kept their ties with the nazis through the war, then the Japs would have less reason to invade in 1937, or else the invasion could be settled diplomatically. Just because having soviet powered armor easily flows into fucken Kamen Rider

>>8731101
We had established that Japan was one of the remaining Free States, and with the collapse of the US, was utterly screwed.

Though with Soviet power armor, it's plausible they were overwhelmed and forced into the Union, becoming a center of research for the Soviet warmachine.
The highly intelligent in Japan are distrusting of their Soviet overlords but willing to co-operate, while the people as a whole are on the verge of forming terrorist cells, with very little loyalty to their new overlords. The average citizen would be at best apathetic towards the Union.

If you're set on Kamen Rider, then I say go for it.

The "new europe" is a strange and different place, moreso then anyone could have expected 50 years prior. With the demise of modern capitalism and the march of fascism across the continent, most european states are firmly under the thrall of Germany and the "European Cooperative Of Fascists".

The Cooperative is largely a place for European (and a handful of non-European) fascists to air grievances in the supreme council of fascists. Being the founders of the council, Italy and Germany hold large amounts of power and generally use said council to excise their own power across the continent under the guise of plurality.

The reality is somewhat different. Though Italy is technically a voteholder, Germany seems to wear the pants on the council and Italy often finds itself "abstaining" or simply voting in a bloc with Germany. While it is true that smaller states (particularly Sweden and Finland) may occasionally go against the wishes of the council, the ever present threat of force is a major motivator to keep quiet or stay low.

>>8731159
Sounds a little too close to an Admech for my tastes. Besides, the prewar japanese SUCKED at technology. It wasn't until after they got their asses handed to them by Amurikka that they went into the high-tech industry.

>>8731159

it seems that japs are still independent to some degree: >>8729379

>>8731182
Speaking of the Finns, are we sure Germany Steamrolled them? They can, as I recall, be pretty tough to root out. Perhaps this time they managed to stay independent, with the Soviets secretly arming and training them.

>>8731263

Following the Winter War, that seems unlikely.

I gather that they would fall under the umbrella. Domino theory and all that.

>>8731263

Pretty sure. Given that the Germany-Soviet peace lasted much longer than it would have otherwise, and the U.S. didn't enter the war at all, the Nazis would have had time to consolidate their power and make a concerted push into independent European territories. Although, I'm pretty sure that all Europe would pretty much be Naziland by this point, rather than a collection of fascist countries with puppet governments subservient to Germany.

>>8731263
Is this going off of relations during and around WWII? I mean, I find it funny that out of all factions, it's the Soviets arming the Finns against the Nazis, and not the Nazis arming the Finns to fight the Soviets.

>>8731250
it'd make sense to turn the islands into a sort of forward defense base for the motherland (We should probably refrain from calling China, uh... "China" as there'd be no one left in the US to call it that. Its self-referentially the "middle states/central kingdom" in Mandarin, though the Soviet lowlands might work well too)

>>8731327
yeah fins would be with nazis just to prevent soviets from overrunning them

>>8731250
I know they were established as free.
I was giving an alternative. Brainstorming is about new ideas and changing old ideas.

>>8731201
Admech? Never heard of it.
yes i am new here etc. etc.

>>8731263
Sounds plausible.
It's only fair that the Russians get a real foothold in Europe. At the very least, Finland was "officially" conquered but large, underground terrorist cells, secretly armed by the Soviets, keep up the resistance and do their best to stamp out cooperation with the fascist overlords.

>>8731182
Don't forget to mention the racial cleansing and Eugenics that has rendered Germany almost entirely pure, and has killed all the Jews, Gypsies, and black people in the rest of Europe.

>>8731359

Well, I like the idea of an independent Japan. Unable to conquer China, they acted out their territorial aggression on the Philippines, Korea, and various Pacific Islands. In this reality, they decided that attacking the U.S. would be far too risky, and so the U.S. wasn't drawn into the war at all. Japan would not be a major player or a super-power, but would be powerful enough to make a conquest of Japan unpalatable to both the Nazis and the Soviets, so they ignore Japan for the most part.

>>8731434
So the Japs are left to their own devices, completely ignored by the superpowers?

Wouldn't they still be allied with Germany, then?

>>8731359
well japanese could ask for soviet "assistance", once FDR awakens, but imho they should be independent before the metaplot advances

>>8731449
Speaking of metaplot, have we agreed where we are on that?

We're at the point where the Constitutionalists have a foothold in the central US and have already perfected necromancy to an art at the expense of almost all other magic, right?
They haven't got much land and the Founding Lords haven't been awakened yet.

JAPAN: THE SLEEPING GIANT?

>>8731444

I don't know. Either they're officially allied with Germany for help against the Soviets on their doorstep, or they've become completely independent and try to play both sides off one another. It depends on what would benefit them more.

The Soviets having an entire foothold on Asia and it's outlaying island nations like Japan and the Philippines kinda sounds like the Pan-Asian Coalition.

>>8731494
This sounds about right.

As well, the two major powers are at war in Asia and the middle-east, as well as Africa. There's a rebellion fomenting in India, and every faction is stepping up research to unleash their trump cards.

>>8731494

Not really. We've ranged all the way from sleeper-cells of Constitutionalists slowly amassing power throughout Nazi and Soviet controlled America all the way to "America is now a howling wasteland inhabited only by the dead." It depends on whether we want America as a full-blown necromantic super-power akin to the Soviets or Nazis, or else going to become one but for the intervention of the player characters.

In the middle east, there's a gold rush going on. With the situation in North America turning to a genuine nightmare, archeologists, paleontologists, microbiologists, astrologists (among others) cram into the middle east to find artifacts that could serve to be useful to their respective blocks. Germany, Russia, and even the free states cram into the hot unpleasant morass that is the middle east with some small hope of making a difference - or getting rich.

Initially the fascists were the first to find actual artifacts that weren't being sold be street vendors. The artifact, a fragment of the true cross, drove the communist block into a frenzy.

This frenzy was not unsuccessful: the communists managed to locate several phylacteries used by major kings in Egypt.

Both of these artifacts were largely useless.

The true cross, when "used" (nailed to someone) caused the first test subject to explode. Following several more attempts, it was largely deemed useless except in the capacity to make people into chunks of stringy bloody puddles.

The jars, when used, didn't actually do anything except talk in ancient egyptian. When translators were brought to analyze the jars, they found that the words being spoken were gibberish: the names of all the individuals that had died constructing the once great pyramids. (largely destroyed in 19XX during an air raid)

At the moment we're focusing on the Soviets and Nazis, but nothing beats a zombie for a standard mook.

>>8731557
The metaplot should be before the "howling wasteland."

I like the idea of central US being inhospitable due to irresponsible use of tacnukes (in this reality, nuclear weapons were invented by the Soviets to combat Nazi magic), with a few areas being Constitutional holdouts, with a sprawling necropolis under Fort Leavenworth being their headquarters.
The East Coast and West Coast, and large chunks of land inland from them, should belong to the Nazis and Soviets, respectively, and be relatively hospitable.

As things are now, Nazis and Soviets should be the only playable factions, but there's definitely some potential in the Constitutionalists.

No oil war? Come on.

Unless the Soviets managed to avoid Chernobyl and construct a nuclear powered paradise, and the Nazi's get their electricity from millions of tiny demons on treadmills, someone's going to want it.

>>8731494

I like this idea. It gives the PCs either something to work towards as jingoistic AMERICA FUCK YEAH cultists or something to work against as Soviet Dark Heresy-style investigators. Imagine showing up at the last moment to hear the ritual summoning the spirit of the Dread Hickory too late, only to find that he's awoken.

It's been suggested that you could play it as a Dark Heresy game, with Commubama as your Inquisitor.

>>8731676
Probably the lesser nations outside of the Soviet and Nazi blocs. The USSR is the technological giant of the world and the Nazis have mastery of magic, so I'd say that energy wouldn't be much of a problem for them.

>>8731676
Chernobyl didn't happen but nuclear power has proven impractical for driving warmachines; oil is still the greatest fuel on a small scale. The Nazis have created vehicles that run entirely on magic, but only an incredibly skilled mage can pilot one, and most are better used powering cities and researching new weapons and spells.

Thus, oil is still a major cause for war.

What year is this set in? I'm leaning towards something along the lines of 2070 to allow time for the Constitutionalists to get such a warped view of pre-war America.

Good, that gives some motivation to all the conflict other than "HURR NATZIES".

Also provides us with the image of massive Soviet Warmech's striding across the battlefield, belching diesel fumes.

>>8731765

They bind daemonic spirits to their vehicles. Extremely potent and with essentially no need for fuel or resupplies, but the daemons are liable to rebel without a skilled demonologist controlling them. Daemonic Nazi supertanks that shoot fireballs not be an uncommon sight, but if the mage's concentration lapses for even a moment the daemon will break free, loosing untold havoc on everyone in the vicinity before disappearing into the aether.

>>8731804
Several decades at least. Tech expansion has been rapidly accelerated, due to magic nazis.

>>8731765
You could reserve nuclear engines for Soviet super heavy tanks.

lets look for inspiration pics to get more people to leap on

>>8731826
Do we have an agreement on 2070 then?

I'm going to be asspulling some dates in the summaries on the forum, and I'd like to know what timeframe I'm working with.

>>8731542
EU rules, PAC is for sissies!

You call that superheavy? My house is bigger than that.

most popular toy amongst children 4-11 in the glorious motherland?

>>8731847
Call it 2050. 2070 is pretty much just fallout.

>>8731873
Nowhere near badass enough. Also, the whole suit getup is far more Putin's thing, although as the nation's number one secret agent, naturally most people don't know that.

>>8731873

Action figures are for capitalists and fascists.

All action figures resemble this. The proletariat is a FREE AND UNIFIED SOCIETY UNDER ALL RACES

IGNORE THE LIARS, EVERYONE IS EQUAL

EVERYONE

UNTIL DEATH

>>8731834
Soviets use a combination of tanks and warmechs to provide armored support for their infantry on the battlefield. Most of these vehicles are driven by oil-based fuels, as the instability of miniature nuclear reactors makes them unsuitable for the unathletic warmechs and they are too large to fit in regular tanks.

However, the Soviets occasionally field towering monstrosities known as Apocalypse Tanks. These tanks are equipped with anti-air missile pods, three main cannons, four machine gun nests, and (cramped) living quarters for its crew of 25. These are rarely deployed more than one at a time on any given battlefield, but may be sent en masse when the Motherland is in danger.

what's the word on cyberpunk-ness in the free states?

btw, if soviets have eastern europe, asian part of russia, china and western part of the usa under their control and nazis have only middle/western europe and the eastern usa, wouldn't it be unplausible, that soviets are roughly as strong as nazis? i suggest, nazis should also get northern africa, palestine and arabian countries (with rommel succeeding with his "crusade against the jews" and completing the holocaust) including iran (aka the cradle of the "aryans"). this way india could become another contested territory between soviets and nazis.

Don't forget the ever-effective traditional Soviet strategy.

Wave after wave of men.

>>8731931
Unlikely. Soviet Asia is the big technological power and don't appear to have dabbled too much into cyberization. Free States can be pretty punk-punk though.

>>8731931
Plausible in the Antarctica-based Australian state. England was run by the Queen on an airship but that whole thing made so little sense I'd like to pretend it didn't happen.

Since we're willing to take some historical liberties, maybe we should make Japan a cyber-punk state. We could create a different motivation for their technological prowess than their defeat in WW2.

Otherwise, go with Australia. They live in Antarctica and their tech is bested only by the Soviets.

>>8731944

Sounds good.

>>8731944
India is Soviet-controlled but tensions are rising and the people seem to be on the verge of violent rebellion.

Iran is (officially) part of the Nazi empire, and the Holocaust succeeded, but much of the Middle East is contested due to oil-rich land.
The Nazis have also controlled much of Africa for about thirty years, and have set about exterminating the native peoples to make way for Aryan colonization.

>>8731949
More like waves of heavily armed and armored infantry, kinda defeats all the previous fluff about how the USSR is supposed to be one of the more technological nations.

>>8731903
Actually, given the pic in the original thread, this would mean Double-0-Putin was working for the Brits. Fuck yeah.
>>8731931
That's not cyberpunk. That's Putin on the job, having just breached a nerve gas tank at one of the German concentration camps (Hitler's madness continues to drive the bottom 5% of the population to execution, and there's always a new 5%...).

>>8732011

Just because they *have* they tech doesn't mean they're willing to use it on grunt troopers. They seem like more of a waves of men + holy shit what the fuck is that technological super-weapons.

Keep in mind that they're charging down heavily-drilled, well armed, nazi WIZARDS.

Yeah, they're pretty badass, but they're still going to get mown down pretty quick.

>>8732013
>Actually, given the pic in the original thread, this would mean Double-0-Putin was working for the Brits. Fuck yeah.
Nah, Putin is the Soviet Union's best agent. When he was nearly killed by Nazi sorcery after his cover was blown, they put his brain in an android body covered in fake skin, much like Stalin. It's the highest honor a Soviet can receive, and he continues to work for Soviet intelligence to this day.

>>8731961
Yeah, assuming the Queen would have anything to do about anything is far too ludicrously-inaccurate-American-idea-of-Britain.

Instead, I posit that it's much like 1984. Remember that Ingsoc is English Socialism; maybe the Russians jumped in to help hold the fort against the Mad Hun, and we're Airstrip One not for some vague Oceania American coalition, but for the Motherland.

Since everyone who isn't British has a hard-on for London, it can have been hit by a nuclear V2 (Germany were, after all, working on such things), rendering it a barren wasteland of little value. If you want to run an campaign in Britain, you've got to pick a more interesting city.

>>8732088

London seems like a nice place to visit occasionally but a terrible place to live. That being said, is there any reason that the Nazi's wouldn't have conquered Britain completely? Maybe there was an insurrection against Churchhill and a fascist government was installed, much like what happened in Vichy France.

>>8732050
>>8732048
Starting to sound like the Imperial Guard. Massed infantry with heavy armor support.

>>8732062
Given >>8732088 , it can be both. Although I'm not sure I like the idea of robo-Putin. I'm thinking much more classic James Bond; a sauve ladykiller who is single-handedly responsible for putting a permanent end to Germany's atomic research before it got a second success, and avoiding the war turning into a nuclear apocalypse.

>>8732050
Technology has evolved alongside magic.
To combat the Nazi sorcery, the Soviets have developed a reflective dampening material. They coat their tanks and battle armor with this material to reflect weaker spells and dampen stronger ones. However, the material itself is weak to conventional projectile weapons, and a single bullet will create a small hole through which a well-aimed spell can severely damage the vehicle or person. Enough bullets with create bigger holes.
The Soviets have also spent much of their time focusing on enhancing their munitions, and have used a similar chemical formula to the dampening shell to create bullets that can penetrate weaker magical barriers and weaken stronger ones.

It wasn't a nuke, but a magic bomb that contorted the laws of physics in the surrounding area, rendering it unlivable to anything human and filling it with chittering, alien creatures.

Yes I've got a serious fae-hardon. Sue me.

>>8732088
I'M IN CHARGE NOW FUCKERS

>>8731997
what does "officially" mean? if iran is part of the nazi empire, then pretty much all middle east belongs to them, since russians would need to march through iran to attack the middle east. besides there isn't that much oil in europe so nazis really need DAT OIL and soviets have siberia for this purpose anyway.

>>8732132
Problem with that is that unless he's a robot he can't be alive.

This has to be set in the near future, or else the Constitutionalists don't make any sense.

>>8732119
I think Germany would have had a hard time of it, and the 1984 Ingsoc tie-in and "forward base" positioning is more narratively interesting (think: Cuban Missile Crisis).

Hell, have it conquered by the Soviets while the Nazi-Soviet allience still held, since Germany couldn't do it (they couldn't in real life, after all). And they kept it after the alliance broke.
>>8732129
Since the IG are largely loosely based on WW2 Soviets (lol "not a step back" Commisars), sounds good to me.

>>8732157

I'd imagine the entire middle east as a sea of proxy wars and bullshittery.

Nobody wants to stick their hand in. So long as SOMEONE is sell SOMEONE oil, good.

I kind of agree, although it'd be hilarious if the Soviets set up a huge beachhead in Iran and the Nazis got extremely pissed at being denied the chance to reclaim their "Aryan Cradle."

>>8732157
It's officially part of the Nazi empire but is frequently conquered by Soviets before being taken back. The Nazis refuse to acknowledge any change in its ownership, so it's "officially" a Nazi province.

They're more willing to accept the contesting of the rest of the Middle East, though.

Two words drifted through my mind.

"Cyber-Spetznaz."

/tg/?

>>8732188
He should be as alive as Comrade Obama. Maybe he's gone grey now. Didn't stop Shaun Connery.

>>8732188

Well, I suppose conceptually it could take place around now or 10-20 years from now. Assuming that America went under in around 1960, that leaves us with a good generation of foreign wars ravaging American soil. A new cult venerating old American values and the Founding Fathers might appear in that time, and nearly every American has, at least once in his life, wished that the Founding Fathers were here so they could see the country/fix it/deplore at what it's become. Given the fanatical devotion many real, current Americans feel towards the Constitution, I'd say that the seeds of Constitutionalism are already sown.

Just with more zombies.

Youth treatments. Given only to those who have served the Motherland in an extraordinary capacity.

EVERYONE IS EQUAL THOUGH.

>>8732271
When the only way to kill a Nazi or Constitutionalist is with graceful back-flipping powered hatchet throw with the use of a cybernetic body.

>>8732286
Hadn't thought of that. And it's a good point.

>>8732283
Solution:
The Soviets have invented a chemical solution that can "turn back" the biological clock; taking a long bath every 10 years or so will keep you young, but after about a century of prolonged use it becomes less effective, and by the second century it's almost useless, making it a life extender, not an immortality bath.

>>8732286
I think a more plausible fall for America would be by 1945, since it's hardly a stretch to imagine all of Europe conquered in half a decade if Germany and Russia worked together.

Why a bath and not an injection?

>>8732361
It could be a mixture of both.

>>8732357

1945 is still way too soon, I should think. At least until 1950, at the earliest.

I say the mid sixties. Gives time for Americana to really sink in before isolationist America collapses and is invaded.

>>8732271
Your babies.
I wish to have them.

>>8732271
I dunno; the Spetznaz hit me as being able to do extraordinary things /without/ technological trickery.

Remember: Soviets are about technological pragmatism: basic, robust, volume, gets the job done. Nazis are about occult, because Indiana Jones forever cemented that. Cool toys are generaly an American thing, and they're gone in this setting. I'm not sure what the SAS or Australian equivalent would be like.

>>8732361
Because a bath is more plausible.

>>8732409
>>8732383
Alright, how about 1957?

Cyber Spetznaz are the Spetznaz of a world where demons exist and can be conjured inside your anus, by nazis.

>>8732443

I'm still a bit leery about anything before the 60s, but I'm willing to compromise if you are.

>>8732429
There is no SAS because Great Britain is part of one of the super powers; which one is still up for debate, though current consensus seems to say Airstrip One for the Soviets.

Australia is the second most technologically advanced nation, and prefers flashy tech compared to the more practical tech of the Soviets. But they live in Antarctica, so who cares.

>>8732459

A world where ravenous blood-hungry Presidential ghouls warp reality with sheer necromantic power.

>>8732474
Well, it's just that I'm trying to work everything into a near-future setting, and the earlier America gets conquered, the better.

Current timeline says Europe conquered by 1945, America conquered by 1957, nukes invented in 1960, tacnukes in 1966, ceasation of general fighting (but not hostilities) in former US around 1970, foundation of Constitutionalists in 2005 rocks the status quo.

Current setting is 2025, unless someone has a better idea.

A WORLD WHERE TEDDY ROOSEVELT IS THREE HUNDRED FEET TALL AND COVERED IN ANGRY WOODLAND CRITTERS.

>>8732536
Angry MAGICAL woodland critters.

Isn't he also made of stone and covered in streams and vegetation?

>>8732459
The Spetznaz in that world have sufficient control over and strength in their anus muscles to crush demons into oblivion.

Cyber-SAS, maybe. The Brits did use gadgetry in WW2 (see: Crafty Tricks of War, probably on the tubes), although it was mostly ingeniously simple rather than technobling.

>>8732535
I'd set it in 2015 and bump the Constitutionalist's foundation back to the 80's, to reference the Reagan thing.

>>8732535

That sounds pretty good. Let's go with that.

>>8732555
Makes the Constitutionalists too old.
20 years is really as old as I'm willing to make them; any more than that and they should have resurrected Old Hickory by now.

>>8732488
The Airstrip One role implies a small degree of autonomy. Britain is highly unlikely to ever be a homogenious part of anything short of nuking it to the ground and repopulating it.

Hell, in the real world, we still don't consider ourselves to /really/ be part of Europe.

>>8732535

I don't think that the Constitutionalists should have a set founding date. It would be a sentiment that appealed deeply to the masses of Americans, and grew as an organization, but only in 2005 did they actually come out openly with their own Declaration of Independence, in homage to the holy text. By that time, they'd converted a significant amount of the populace to their side, and had already begun work reanimating the Founding Lords. By 2025, they've retaken America's heartland, inch by bloody inch, and the game begins as the Constitutionalists finalize the summoning of [INSERT LORD OF CHOICE HERE].

>>8732603
You get some autonomy but it's all make-believe to make the people accept the figurehead rulers.

So anyway, I think we should make the official word for Nazi magic users "Sorcerors," so we don't have to specify that they're Nazis. All Nazi magic users should be called Sorcerors, with subdivisions for different schools of magic.

I also propose that the Nazis should approach magic as a science, using the Scientific Method to figure out how certain rituals and components work together to provide the desired results.

>>8732488
it seems unlikelly that nazis would invade the usa, thousands of miles across the ocean, without securing the islands lying few miles away from their core area (and supposedly being a giant soviet fortress). anyway with soviets and amis being neutral (sorta) during the ww2 and hitler conquering most of the europe, it's more likely brits would be either conquered as well, or unite with nazis, since hitler thought they were aryans too and actually wanted to get them "heim ins reich" rather than fight

>>8732666

That works fine. Lab-suited Sorcerers finalizing occult formulae painstakingly in a white, sterile room. Battlefield Sorcerers would be different entirely, capable of working the rituals and having the skill necessary to enact them without really understanding how any of it works, much like soldiers don't really know how a lot of their equipment works.

>>8732691
We agreed they were either conquered by the Nazis or by the Soviets. If the latter, they may or may not still be held by the Soviets.

>>8732713
what i say is, it makes more sense for brits to belong to nazis by default

>>8732756

That's my line of thinking as well.

>>8732702
Magic would be studied academically in beautiful, white-walled academies throughout Germany. All Sorcerers would have a deep understanding of the magic they wield, and many would specialize in a particular school, becoming much better with this school at the expense of skill in others.

The laboratory sorcerers would go to Academy (what's the German word for Academy?) for more years, earning a sort of PhD in magic.

>>8732756
Sounds good.
It would make a good launching pad for a Soviet assault on the USA.

>>8732756
>>8732770

Methinks puppet government.

It isn't quite the Britain we know, but it is Britain.

>>8732794

Konservatorium der Hexeneinmaleins.

Note that I don't speak German, so this is likely extremely grammatically incorrect, but it basically translates to "Conservatory of Magic Formulae."

Why not just jump both feet into making the Big 3 Orwell's nations from 1984?

>>8732856
That will be the name of the central academy in Berlin. Can any German-speakers correct his grammar?

But we need the word for "Academy," as a general word for going to magic school, for example: "I have come fo age and am now going to Academy to study sorcerery."

>>8732794
>>8732794
Akademie lol
another funny idea would be to somehow implement the pagan elements of nazi mystics (sacred grovs and secret knight orders or something) but im not sure how this would work out connected with "academic germans"

>>8732794

I don't know. I like the idea of the Nazis specializing in Demonology by default. I also think that "Battlefield" Sorcerers should be different in some way from "Civilian" Sorcerers, either by training or knowledge or whatever.

I'm cool with everything so far. Puppet Britain seems like it'd be cool.

>>8732878
Because we aren't going for an oppressive totalitarian planet, we're going for an awesome tabletop setting.

>>8732691
This is where the "conquered while Soviet-Nazi alliance still holds, then with the Soviets after it broke down" theory comes in.

But you are never going to make Britain part of a larger organisation without removing all the British first. Between the disposition from being the bastard children of Viking and Roman raids, the quasi-isolationist effects of living on a largely disconnected (remember, no Channel Tunnel or pervasive Internet-grade communications in this time period) island, and the national pride of uppity "we once had an EMPIRE" types, holding the existing population under a foreign government would be a monumental effort. It seems far more likely to me that if we buckled under the weight of combined Eurasian power, we'd end up as some kind of protectorate.

Hell, trying to remove the Queen would pretty much guarantee an absolute shitstorm of an occupation---she might be just a figurehead, but you're going to get passive-aggressive resistance out of the vast majority of the population, minimum. Expect all military logistics to end up fucked six ways to Sunday.

>>8732907

Maybe instead of schools or academies, German Sorcerers would train at Knightly Orders, mimicking those rites. I dunno. Right now we're just brainstorming.

>>8732856
konservatorium is something like a music school
and hexeneinmaleins would mean "sorcery 101" but it sounds very funny in german :)

>>8732910
I think a loose analogue for engineers should suffice.

One makes equipment and demons that function in combat, the other makes equipment and demons that functions in civilian life.

"What do you do?"

"Oh, I make spawn-bind engines for the army."

"Really? I wanted specialize in that, but my mother convinced me that I should work in the civilian sector. I currently develop toadie-engines for janitorial work."

>>8732959

I know it was closer to a music school, but I chose that word on purpose because I didn't want magic to seem TOO sterile and scientific.

>>8732910
Demonology would be their specialty but their advantage over the Constitutionalists is that they, as a nation, use all forms of magic, whereas the Constitutionalists specialize in Necromancy.

Battlefield sorcerers would receive extra training from the SS or a similar organization after leaving Akademie. Other sorcerers would become laboratory researchers, having a deeper knowledge of magic but sharing a jargon that battlefield casters can understand. Still more would be civil servants, running the powerful magical power plants that provide electricity to all German cities.

>>8732878
I'm less-than-subtly favouring the Soviets holding Airstrip One for this very reason. It fits perfectly with Ingsoc.

Also, I think it's good for setting reasons to have that thorn in Germany's side. There's no reason why Soviet-protected-Britain can't be under constant fear of German attack (oh, hey, much like the '80s and the Cold War---we didn't get half the missile warning the US got)---this just feeds back into the 1984 ties and makes for strong campaign/roleplaying possibilities (Nazi adventuring party looking to cripple Early Warning System, anyone?).

I suggest calling lab magicians "Sorcerers" and battlefield ones "Mages"

>>8733022
"Mage" doesn't quite sound scientific enough is the problem.

>>8732959
I'm assuming you're from Germany. What are the German words for "Sorcerer" and "Mage?"

What about "Wizard" or "Conjuror" or "Invoker"?

>>8733043
"Hexer" and "Magier"

Going with the East Coast, save for D.C: and surroundings under control by the nazis:

Unteroffizier Ernst Schrenger ducked into the trench as another salvo of gunfire raked his position out of the mob of undead that had overrun the first trench line. He quickly snapped back up, firing a salvo og explosive bullets from his antiquated FG-42 into the mass of dead bodies, aiming for the spot the enemy fire had come from. At least it was high-calibre enough to reliably put those shambling horrors down. He cursed as he saw more tracers streaking out from the overrun trench line. "Snipers, get those riflemen in the first trench, verdammt noch mal!" he screamed towards the positions behind the trench. "Machinegunners, let them have it. No sense in saving the ammo now."

'What a shitty day', he thought by himself while reloading. Not that any day in the 216th Infantry Regiment aka the "Black Sheep" could be called good. A unit compromised of drop-outs from the eugenics program, shanghai'd non-aryans and political non-comformists, the 216th was one of the infamous penal units, sent to do the most shitty duties, equipped with outdated surplus weapons and without any support. Just the right unit to guard a portion of the perimeter around the rather newly formed D.C. Containment Zone, formed after the undead and their living worshippers still thrived in the area even after multiple nuclear strikes.

And now they were attacking the perimeter. Not a mere raid or a smaller horde stumbling upon it and mindlessly marching into the crossfire, a full-scale attack supported by living gunmen and, at places, even fuckin' sorcerers.Those, luckily, had been taken care of by the snipers and were now seemingly content with watching the carnage. Not that it helped Schrenger's men much.

Emptying another magazine, the Sergeant again cursed fate for putting him into this clusterfuck. Who could have known that that general didn't have a sense of humor? Goddamn eugenics-produced stuck-ups. And now he was in charge of what was left of the company, after all the officers had been killed.


While reloading again, Schrenger more felt than heard a thump right next to him. Looking up, he was greeted by the dead visage of a zombie that somehow made it into the trench. He knew that visage. He stumbled back and drew his pistol, a mix of fear, anger and (strangely) pity pumping even more adrenalin through his veins. "Ach Scheiße, Heini", he murmured, before putting a bullet into the brain of his old friend.

Seconds later, he heard a infernal, painful shrieking sound, making him want to cover his ears. Before his eyes, something swooped down on the overrun trench and bathed it into flame, turning living and dead alike into ash. He only caught a glimpse of something he wasn't sure he wanted to see at all. He and the remainder of the company, now less than two platoons, shot up the remaining undead stumbling along between the trench lines, supported by several heavy cannons opening up.

Turning around, he saw an entire convoy of armored vehicles coming their way. 'Reinforcements, some Panzer unit. And sorcerers, too, judging by that demon. But, boy, they look young. Fresh meat, eh?', he thought by himself. Seeing the smug look of the young textbook aryan standing in the cupola of the lead tank, Schrenger couldn't but give the newcomers a proper welcome.

"About time you showed up, Bubis! You're missing all the fun!"

>>8733081
Thank you bro.

We should use "Magier" for battlefield casters. I don't entirely understand German pluralization. Would multiple Magier be "Magien?"

>>8733059
Wizard is too unscientific, the other two would likely be used to refer to specialist sorcerers. A Conjurer would be someone who specializes in summoning magic.

>>8733059
wizard = Zauberer
Conjuror = Beschwörer (or Beschwoerer if you don't have "ö")
not sure what's invoker, maybe you can describe this class in few words?

Delicious writefaggotry.

I shall endeavor to do the same if the muses will it.

>>8733116
it's not uncommon for plural to have the "-en" -ending, but in this case both plural and singular are "Magier"

Forumfag here, everything should be functioning but it's still subject to change.

I put up a post explaining the Constitutionalists but I must be leaving now.

I'll read through this thread tomorrow when I have a chance but I must go to sleep now.

Bye bye Anon, this was great fun and I hope something substantial actually comes from it all.

I was just using it as a synonym for "Wizard."

Other types might include support-mages and Warlocks to poison or otherwise debuff the enemy. Maybe a dedicated anti-magic mage who just runs jamming or interference.

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Original thread archived at +7 votes. Suggest that archiver also adds this thread.

(I'm not doing it because I have a bad habit of fucking up the tags.)

Do we even know if they're still here?

I'm still thinking about German unit types.

The way he wrote the summary of the constitutionalists appears to equate Andrew Jackson with Cthulu. This pleases me.

I submit that George Washington is Azathoth, with Jefferson his Nyarlathotep.

The Queen on an Airship was an awesome idea. After the fall of Britain in 1955 to the Demonic forces of Reich, the Young Queen took to the skies in the enormous Submersible-Airship Britannia, a 3km long masterpeice of British engineering and arcane techno-sorcery built during the Empire's last days.

Held aloft largely due to the queens own formiddable powers, Britannia represents the last hope, but folorn hope of the British People. Surviving by pure piracy, either dropping from the sky or rising from the waves to steal and plunder, the Britannia is mass of gun batteries, bomb bays and aircraft decks, all carrying thousands of rocket powered bi-planes and jetpack wearing cyber-commandos of the SAS.

The Britannia largely occupies itself with gathering enough resources to fuel it's century long private war against the Nazi-occupiers of it's homeland, returning occasionally to obliterate the cities of the collaborators with hundreds of magicka bombs and sorcerous incendiaries. The Queen now living long past her alloted time but unable to die away from the soil of her nation, inflicts as much horror on her own people as that of the Nazi's or Soviets, all in order to destabilise the country enough so that Britannian forces could seize central London long enough to release the spirit of 'The Bulldog', the unbelievably powerful pyschic force imprisoned beneath the now ruined houses of parliament, created by Churchill's martyrdom in the last days of the fall.

The real brits seem to really dislike the queen idea.

>>8733324

I'm pretty indifferent to the entire monarchy, but I find the entire concept of some damn peasant screaming "FUCKING ROYALS" as his house burns down to be funny.

ok guys im leaving too, since it's pretty late here, just few last thoughts before i go:
battle mages are "Kampfmagier"
high ranked sorcerers are "Hexenmeister"
demon conjurers/summoners are "Dämonenbeschwörer"
hope this helps, cya all.

I imagine the idea of an ancient, craggy old woman running around blowing up people's houses is somewhat ironic too.

Wow, /tg/ getting shit done. And I'm in the middle of it. Go on, fellow fa/tg/uys, this is awesome.

Also, delicious writefaggotry.

>>8733362

Fuck no. I'm a britfag and I fucking love the idea of an immortal queenie flying around on a dieselpunk magic airship bombing the shit out of soviet/nazi british cities, with robotic sas men trying to release a demonic spirit of pure britishness.

>>8733324
I very much disapprove of this idea. Why not throw in some monacle-popping tally-ho steampunk gents in top hats while you're at it?

I am pretty much certain that the Queen would not flee. She is not like the US President but with more jewelry and corgis; people do not bundle her into an armoured limo and whisk her away when a baloon pops at a press conference. She stayed there all through the bombing of London in WW2, and that kind of not-being-budged-by-this-kind-of-thing British stereotype is far more interesting (and less painful to actual Britfags) than warrior-queen exile.

i think queen is a pretty cool guy, eh is a female Nemo and doesn't afraid of anything

How aobut switching the roles of Churchill and the queen? After all, old Winston actually planned to evac his govenrment and fight on from the colonies in case the germans invaded the british islands.

>>8730938
>For some reason we should figure out, peace remained between Germany and the Soviet Union for much longer than it did in real life, only breaking when the Nazis invaded the Americas.

...I wrote that post in the original thread, then had to leave.
I come back to find sudden awesomeness, Nazi magic and a homebrew in the making.
Goddamnit /tg/ I love you.

>>8733482

You're just another sympathising collaborator. The resistance should have you shot for spouting that kind of propaganda. The Queen didn't abandon us. She made a fighting retreat, like at Dunkirk and Birmingham. She's still fighting now, wiping out people like you, fat and happy on the lies of our occupiers.

I know who's fighting for Britain and the Empire.

God Save the Queen.

WHY DO THERE HAVE TO BE MAGIC NAZIS IN EVERY HOMEBREW THAT /tg/ MAKES

SERIOUSLY

I think that all factions should have sympathetic points as well. Surprisingly, the Constitutionalists seem to be the most out-and-out evil, but I'd rather they be less generic horror villains and more tragic villains driven to extremes. They truly, fervently believe in Truth, Democracy, Equality for All, and the American Dream; they're just too deluded to recognize the horror of their undead state. They believe that in death, all are equal. They believe that the Founding Fathers will save their nation and return it to how it used to be, without ever realizing that there is no return. Same with the Nazis. They can love. They have families. Living in a non-warzone Nazi city should be pretty sweet so long as you aren't an undesirable. The Soviets, strangely, will be closest to the "good guys" because they're closest to humanity, but at the same time their humanity causes them to do despicable things. In short, all should have redeeming qualities while remaining staunchly villainous.

Some of our dudes are bailing. I'm going to go ahead and archive it, but we can continue.


http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/8730788/

>>8733565
BECAUSE OF THE INDIANA JONES

Sounds pretty Machina Dei. I like it.

>>8733565

BECAUSE WE HAVE A HARDON FOR MAGIC AND SS UNIFORMS

>>8733569

No, this should be Grimdark pulp fiction. But so over the top as to be ridiculous and humourous. Introducing elements like humanity and redeeming qualities paves the way for the setting to become serious, just like what happened to batshit crazy 40k between 1e and 3e, and lose all it's charm.

While it'll be difficult to paint the Nazis as anything other than... well, Nazis, I do agree that every faction should have a degree of moral ambiguity.

It actually might be interesting to have the Constitutionalists be RIGHT in that death isn't such a bad thing really.

>>8733362
Yeah. I know we're driving Nazi and Soviet stereotypes with this but, goddamn, the "Britain is made of cockney chimneysweeps, dapper gents, and the Queen" one really has been absolutely done to death, reincarnated, then turned by a level 20 cleric by now. (To be honest, I'd like to get some Russfags in here to help keep the Soviet side of this on track so we don't go all COMRADE COMERADE VODKA COMRADE.)

I'd also like to keep the core of this setting vaguely ground in realism, because I think that ultimately keeps it more flexible, letting individual campaigns vary in how GRIMDARK or Bethsda-Fallout-silly they want to be. And the Queen is not a leader in any real sense---she's a figurehead.

>>8733637

Well, both have their good points. I imagine that the GM could run it as either, depending upon his point of view. Although, I wasn't really changing anything we'd established so much as introducing another way of looking at it.

Because you're all fucking idiots who lack any element of self-thought and reflection. Go kill yourselves.

Hey, maybe she can be a literal figurehead.

I mean it. Tie her to the front of the boat. She's sure to absorb one or two shells!

*Rimshot.*

Anywho, I don't think it should be SUPER GRIMDARK. Just different, in ways that are horrifying, and at the same time fascinating.

>>8733670

All? That's a bit extreme, certainly. It's a matter of preference, anyways. Just because someone prefers over-the-top GRIMDARK wackiness in a campaign setting doesn't render him incapable of thought or reflection.

>>8733637
i rather see the setting as a mix between ctulhu and dark heresy, all the way grimdark, but not really humorus

Speaking of, I wonder if you could run this setting in Cthulutech.

>>8733718

I dunno, it seems pretty funny to me.
NAZI DEMONOLOGISTS VS LONG DEAD AMERICAN PRESIDENTS

Whoever wins, we win. Because of the ridiculous awesome fight-scenes.

With the end of capitalism and the liberal society, anarchism died. Or, at least, many people wished it did. In truth anarchism is one of the few idealogies to escape from the burning house of capitalism during the 1950s.

Going to ground, hiding from sight, and biding their time, anarchists clung to their notions of a governmentless state in a world now dominated by states politely termed "repressive."

Hunted by nearly every regime, reviled by the population at large, and murdered in broad daylight, anarchists fought to survive and escape into the darkness. Eventually they succeeded, at least partially, in the free states. Here they are afforded some peace, here they plan, here they rest, and here they marshal their strength.

Few groups are willing to move against the superstates. Few would risk almost certain death to topple the great regimes. Few would take on an task psychotic and enormous.

The anarchists will, and damn the logic of it.

Better yet, good old fashioned CoC.


Andrew Jackson clubs 1d4 players to death with his cane each turn.

Holy shit, /tg/, how did you fuckers go from "lol Obama is a Muslim it said so on Fox" to this? I mean, Christ.

>>8733801
This is /tg/ works. Occasionally we get autosage-length threads about politics, and occasionally we make shit like this.

>>8733774

I kinda like the idea, but I can't see them really being anything more than a very minor annoyance to the Superpowers. They might swell in numbers, seeing the destruction government wrought, but just as many would likely join the Soviets or a Free State for protection.

>>8733847
Yeah. They'd work pretty well as a Free State fluke.

>>8733718
Grimdark is 40K's schtick. Don't try to compete with 40K---they've already taken it beyond the impossible and out the other side back into self-parody.

_Bleak_, however, is good. My raging Britfaggotry is showing again in that I have a massive hard-on for the kind of heavy-duty black comedy that doesn't really involve jokes, laughter, or sillyness.

>>8733847

I figure that even in the "free states" they get harassed and kicked around because they might bring the superstates down on them.

TL;DR: NO COMPROMISE

I agree with Rorschach.

>>8733876

Bleak is good, but I don't think that hopelessness is. Although, looking through there isn't a whole lot of hope unless you're a fan of extremist ideologies.

>>8733876
What is the defining difference?

>>8733098
>>8733105

MOAR writefaggotry!

How about instead of Britain falling into Nazi hands.

It turns out, King Aurthur comes back to life from Avalon in the wake of Britain's most dire hour. Begins a grand ritual, by utilizing ancient magic using the Ley line alignments and runic magic to lift Britannia and her sister islands into the sky? Thwarting the Nazi invasion. However King Arthur is forever confined in the ritual's circle, lest the Britannia plunges into the oceans.

After years studying the properties of how the magic works, the brits figure out a way to move their flying islands. Creating impenetrable sky fortresses.

I don't think that actual Constitutionalists should be part of the shambling hordes of undead, at least not until they've got their hands on Commie corpses. They're willing to risk their unlives, but would be more like sergeants directing the lesser dead intelligently and with purpose. However, even though they're undead they should still have basic human emotions; none of this "completely stripped of feeling" nonsense. Living Constitutionalists, while not as highly regarded as the undead, still wouldn't be shock-troopers, and would be more like spies or Special Forces infiltrating other living societies, something the undead can't do. I also don't think the unliving Constitutionalists should rot, either. Instead, they should remain perfectly preserved. Dead, but able to mold flesh like clay, with their troopers being hideous and frightening, but their citizens looking much like they did in life.

>>8734016

That sounds cheesy even for this thread, without any bad guys either. We don't really want the players to root for any capable faction, and having a floating island of magical Superbrits sort of defeats that.

>>8734045
>However, even though they're undead they should still have basic human emotions; none of this "completely stripped of feeling" nonsense.

I am thinking of Knights in the Nightmare from this post. It's a good line of thought.

>>8734079
Obnoxious magical superbrits, who raids and blunders everyone.

>>8733921
Lack of oversized pauldrons.

Seriously, though, it's that there aren't Tyranids and Necrons and the standard issue weapon is a full-auto RPG and the Universe is absolutely fucking doomed one way or another if the plot ever advances and...

Instead, you're living in a totalitarian, mismanaged state, impotently hoping that one day you'll get a cigarette that doesn't fall apart in your fingers, that you won't have to carefully watch what you say about the government while uneasily joking with friends, that you won't have to worry about another bombing raid after decades of on-and-off skirmishing...that one day you can /relax/.

(Of course, that's a plain old civvie somewhere in Soviet-held nations. Frontline troops get standard horrors of war. Resistance fighters, special forces, whatever the PCs play in an interesting campaign can get extra doses of desperation and will to do whatever they need to bring an end to the whole fucking thing, or maybe they're soaked in propaganda and nationalistic fervour, or...as long as the setting allows PCs the flexibility here, 'sall good.)

>>8734081

Never played that game, so I don't really know what you're referencing. Could you elaborate?

To those in the last thread who did not like the Australia was advanced:

That was the damn point. They had no resources, but hated the rest of the world and were hellbent on colonizing the moon for resources to use their super-tech with. They were solely a macguffin. If there was someone who couldn't be killed, the Australians would dump them in a god-awful tomb in outer-space. Or if someone tried to colonize the ice caps for some sort of superweapon, they were obliterated by the Australian military. The only thing they aren't short on is energy after creating a perpetual alcohol-machine.

The Britons were in an airship because of the Blitz. Elizabeth went mad during it and ordered a huge ark-ship built, which she keeps the remaining free-britons on board while she travels the world, trying to find the knowledge to awaken the British Bulldog.

She's also the only one with nukes.

And America got really big, really quick. I just liked the idea of a dead wasteland with a Necrocracy. IF anyone dies, they simply reanimate inside a tomb in their state. The corpses become more sentient as they

They weren't intended to be played. America was pure magic - evil magic. Australia was pure, morally neutral technology, but without the resources to bring it to bear. Briton was a mix of the two, with druidism and spirit magic, nuclear warheads and victorian steam tech - and for GM fiat, because they could be anywhere, any time and do things that the vast empire of the Nazi Magocracy could not.

I think we'll stay away from Glorious Flying Albion if it's all the same.

>>8734117
That doesn't sound too unreasonable. It helps that every side involves humans necessarily, so it helps to avoid the 40k-ishness.

>>8734131
And each, except America, had win conditions - the Britons liberated Albion by awakening the Spirit of the Land chained beneath Westminster. Australia got to the moon and finally had the resources to fuck up everyone. America was just ruled by undead monstrosities from History. It was a dead zone, like the bermuda triangle. The Nazis were still the all powerful mages, the Red Army was a monolithic techno-juggernaut.

>>8734131

You seem like you lost some words, there.

>>8734159

I dunno, it seems like the American's win condition is "fulfill manifest destiny." Just because you're dead doesn't mean you can't win.

We should make a pact here and now to actually show progress, and not sink into 40k doldrums.

>>8734159
Shit changes. Them's the breaks for being really early in the process.

>>8734139
Agreed, it sounds significantly more... positive than this setting is going for.

>>8734202

What do you mean? It's a setting, not a story. We don't want to go the way of oWoD and have an immutable metaplot that the players can't advance, do we?

>>8734016
HNNNNNNNNG.

Goddamnit, you lot are doing it on purpose now.

Protip: Ireland would be having none of it. They were neutral during WW2 and pretty much hate us. The Channel Islands fell in 1940.

Communism... lol.

>>8734139
>>8734209
It's not, though. It's an airship ruled by a mad woman who should be long dead, loaded with nuclear warheads, that can be found on sea or land, populated by the last few Britons not under fascist rule. All their druids are mad because they are too long away from the land.

>>8734215

To be fair, that was one guy, and the rest of us said, "No, that's stupid."

Although, yeah, he was totally doing that on purpose.

>>8734202
Yeah. Shit actually has a chance of changing the way this is set up so far, let's not cock it up into being immutable.

>>8734214
It doesn't have to be metaplot so much as flexibility.

>>8734252
THIS IS NICE COAT

In Soviet Canada, iz very cold.

>>8734243
That sounds fine.

>>8734243
Including nukes with any real mobility in this setting just makes it inexplicable that the war has lasted into the 21st century.

Tacnukes aren't so bad, and besides, both sides have a stake in NOT rendering the earth into a molten, daemon-haunted slurry.

Upon reflection, I'd say that the airship full of insane druids is pretty awesome.

>>8734320
Maybe just assume all nukes are tacnuke-sized? Enough to be a terror, but not enough to glass fucking everything?

Also, it's not as inexplicable when you bring conquest into the argument. People don't tend to take a dump on the front doorstep of the house they intend to move into.

I'm still not sure how much SCIENCE I want the Soviets to have.

I could see some crazy Tesladyne doomsday shit coming out of the woodwork.

>>8734366
>Upon reflection, I'd say that the airship full of insane druids is pretty awesome.
>airship full of insane druids
>druids
I suppose Stonehenge is actually an ancient, forgotten superweapon, then. While we're at it, Russia's military is actually made entirely of Bear cavalry, all colours other than red are outlawed, and Stalin is a 50-foot-tall robot with laser-beam eyes who urinates pure vodka.

When did this turn into Red Alert 3?

>>8734450
Vacuum bombs?
Magnet Satellite drop?
Tesladyne hurricane/thunderstorm generators?
Earthquake machines?
Ripping off of red alert series of games?

Nope. Stonehenge is a clock.


It's WOODHENGE that's the forgotten superweapon. Forgotten because, being made of wood, it rotted after only a few decades.

Druids are kind of stupid.

>>8734486
Like, at the beginning of it. At least for the Soviets.

>>8734486
Stone Henge control tectonic plate movements.

I'd say the most original idea that came out of this was the insane necromantic Constitutionalists.

>>8734530
I might call the start of it Red Alert 1. Then we took a rather interesting turn into something a bit more serious and fleshed-out. Now it seems to have veered back into LOL ZANY with a vengance.

>>8734583
Definitely. As long as it doesn't become too Red Alert, though, a little unoriginality based on old classics never hurt anyone. Let's just try not to go overboard with the SUPERWEAPONS and TESLA SCIENCE and such.

True. Tacnukes are scary enough on their own, not to mention the hordes of power-armored fodder soldiers and tanks the size of small houses.

>>8734631
On that line of thought, let's try to un-zany the Brits a little.

Our idea so far is a giant airship with the Queen inside. That's fine and all, but it's a little past what we have so far. I propose we make Britain into more of a mobile city, set up by a network of airships. This can land either in sea or on land as necessary. The brits are known to trade with free states occasionally, though most do not risk drawing the ire of either the Soviets or the Germans.

Thoughts?

I could see south america developing into a massive proxy war.

In the north, Brazil and allies vs Argentina and allies. Given the extremely hard terrain and stress on equipment, the war has bogged down into trench warfare in mountains and jungle fighting where the remainder of the amazon rainforest hasn't burnt down from napalm.

Both the communists and fascist use the protracted conflict to test their equipment, cut their teeth, and earn promotions when fighting tapers off elsewhere in the world. Entering year #10, the Brazil-Argentinean war is best considered a "war in a rubber container", sealed when need be, but open and accessible when desired.

Peace has been tried, but in truth both powers are sockpuppets of the two blocks. Similar to rock-em-sock-em robots, both exist to pummel each other for the amusement of men very far away.

>>8734839
South America becomes a proxy battleground. I like it.

>>8734805
Let's have it, after a few years or decades, the mobile city or island is falling apart, because the magic or miracle that keeps it flying is little understood, and fading out.

>>8734876
Sounds good. One of the things they trade for are patches for this problem - technological things like thrusters/fuel and such that won't really replicate what made it all tick in the first place, but get close enough to get by. The situation becoming more and more desperate forces them to not only trade with free states but raid settlements owned by everyone. This gets the expected response, of course.

>>8734805
...you do realise that airships are more likely to be associated with Germans, right? Zepplin much?

Well, anyway. It's now stupid-o-clock in Britfagland, so I'll bit you gentlemen goodnight, and let the archive catch the rest of the RAGE-inducing Britabooisms.

>>8734976
I'm just building off of what we had before. Other ideas are welcomed.

>>8734999
There have been other ideas in this thread. We discussed and refined them. Then someone skipped over that and brough up goddamn steampunk airships again.

There. I've put a write up of the two 'major' 'free' states on the forum, Britannia and Australia. If anyone wants to add, be my guest.

>>8735060
Reading through the thread, they were vaguely touched on here and there, and nothing was refined as you suggest.

If I missed something huge that we actually all agreed on, feel free to repost it and expand upon it. It's a better expression than just straight-up saying the idea blows.

Ooops, forgot first part.
The Line, a point demarcated across the country from Brisbane, was the point that the Australians would not allow any to penetrate. Anything beyond, the invaders were welcome to. Behind it, gallant troops would prevent their passage. Or so John Curtin, then Prime Minister, decreed. Unfortunately, the howling communist hordes cared not for the bravery of the Australian troops and invaded the country, pushing further and further south. Abandoned by Britain, their traditional protector, Australia began a rapid technological innovation as the Red Army slaughtered all in its path. Finally, in 1950, even with their advancements into alco-tech, Australia was pushed south to Tasmania. There, they frantically loaded their remaining citizens aboard gleaming enclosures of brown glass and crystal, trying to hold back the unstoppable Soviet Juggernaut as they stained the ground red with the blood of Australian citizens. The last transports left as the Soviet Power Assist suits cleared the beach dunes, having exterminated the citizenry from Darwin to Hobart, making the last remaining Australians those currently fleeing south.

Upon arrival, it was determined that a mere 45,000 Australians had survived. Using the new Eternal Victoria Bitter engine, a potent source of energy that could supply colossal amounts of power they quickly built a vast network of infrastructure designed to shield them from the Antarctic weather. Research continued. The new Nation expanded. In 1955, Curtin's Curtain was raised. A colossal energy barrier that would not only make the continent seem to be empty, hiding the sprawling lights of the Australian infrastructure, it interfered with radio contact outside and was nearly impossible to breach physically. Australia was safe. Abandoned by the Empire, their country inhabited by Soviets and their people destroyed, Australia vowed to build their numbers and leave the planet. Technological development continued. In 1965, they placed a man on the moon, Steve Irwin. In 1970, they built a space elevator to a cloaked station in LEO. Technological development continued, until the start of construction on a moonbase - a station in orbit around Luna that would allow for technology research to be conducted into alcotech. Now, in 2010, it is approximately three years from completion. The harsh nature of antarctica, before the construction of Curtin's Curtain, whittled down the population and today, the Australian people stand at 18,000.

Australian magic is primarily devoted to dispellation and disruption of magic, as well as physical enhancement. OTher forms do exist, but are seen as a cultural betrayal and, thanks to the harsh nature of antarctic life, often fatal. Australian thaumaturgy lags behind the major world powers, with only their prowess in the obliteration of magical matrices hiding them from sight by scrying.

Australian technology is far in advance of any other nation. All citizens are rejuvenated at age 60, their bodies returning to the youthful age of 18. Nanotech is in abundance, computing is in advance. Implants, both cybernetic and biological are common and expected. Alco-tech provides unlimited energy, however, the complete lack of resources of Antarctica means that the diminished people must make do. Resources are hewn from the sea bed, dug from the ice or stolen from Australia by daring SASR commandoes, sneaking between the Soviet Dreadnaughts that lurk in the wilds between the protected Red Enclaves that now serve as Australia's population, all transplanted Soviets. Australia no longer maintains contact with Britain after their abandonment.

End goal: Complete lunar station, complete moon base.

Needed: Time, resources.

>>8735283
So what I'm seeing is that they trade population and location advantages for a massive tech advantage. Definitely interesting.

What kinds of weaponry does alco-tech translate into?

>>8735253
>In 1965, they placed a man on the moon, Steve Irwin

I admit this is somewhat fitting.

>>8735647
Laser weaponry, mostly. It's a massive amount of energy. A bottle of VB (stubbie) in real life is about the size of your fist. One of those holds, in Deathworld, a metric fucktonne of energy - enough to power a car for eternity.

>>8735842
Nice. That sounds pretty cool, and it's distinct enough to be interesting.

>>8735842
>>8735647
Also: Getting as drunk as shit.

But when does Death World Antistralia get it's superdeath spiders and the biomodded pain that is left to kick the Soviets in the knees and eat their stuff?

Also, Airship Albion haters? Kindly remember giant Dread Hickory needs something as a challenge, and Apocalypse Tanks and OGRE piloted by demons aren't going to stand much of a chance.

>>8736028
I'm not sure why the Brits would ever attack America. It doesn't seem like there'd be much for them there that they can't get in less undead-infested places.

Besides, nobody can do much against Dread Hickory. That's pretty much the point.

>>8736028
Once the Soviets think they've won. The moon is the Australian win condition - abundant resources mean they can finally explode in terms of research and tech. What they've done already is only a taster.

>>8736105
The queen is quite mad, and it might be one of the things she needs to Awaken the Bulldog. Who I imagine is wearing a Churchhill outfit. Or she might, in a moment of clarity, decide she wants to be destroyed and charge Hickory. Or Australia might seal him away somewhere with a lot of effort and life lost.

>>8736028
Anyway, as it is, an Australian soldier alone should be worth a damn battallion. But because there are so few, even if all of them fought, they'd be obliterated. The army only consists of a thousand people, anyway. The rest are researchers, miners and builders.