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    179 KB Besetting with Bees Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)01:47 No.8445349  
    Dear Corpulen/tg/entlemen,

    I'm running a session tomorrow. I'd like to have the BBEG scream "RELEASE THE BEES!" and then flood the dungeon chamber the party is in with angry bees as a prelude to the final battle. However, there are no stats for a swarm of standard angry honeybees.


    Are three locust swarms appropriate for a party of four level 6 characters to represent a shitton of angry bees in DnD 3.5E? If not, what is appropriate?

    Locust Swarm:
    Size/Type: Diminutive Vermin (Swarm)
    Hit Dice: 6d8–6 (21 hp)
    Initiative: +4
    Speed: 10 ft. (2 squares), fly 30 ft. (poor)
    Armor Class: 18 (+4 size, +4 Dex), touch 18, flat-footed 14
    Base Attack/Grapple: +4/—
    Attack: Swarm (2d6)
    Full Attack: Swarm (2d6)
    Space/Reach: 10 ft./0 ft.
    Special Attacks: Distraction
    Special Qualities: Darkvision 60 ft., immune to weapon damage, swarm traits, vermin traits
    Saves: Fort +4, Ref +6, Will +2
    Abilities: Str 1, Dex 19, Con 8, Int —, Wis 10, Cha 2
    Skills: Listen +4, Spot +4
    Feats: —

    A locust swarm surrounds and attacks any living prey it encounters. A swarm deals 2d6 points of damage to any creature whose space it occupies at the end of its move.

    Distraction (Ex): Any living creature that begins its turn with a locust swarm in its space must succeed on a DC 12 Fortitude save or be nauseated for 1 round. The save DC is Constitution-based.

    Skills: A locust swarm has a +4 racial bonus on Listen and Spot checks.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)01:53 No.8445441
    I want you to be my DM
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)01:54 No.8445458
    Locusts swarms are just fine to represent bees. Go for it.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)01:54 No.8445460
    more of them. hell cut the health by a d8 and add 3 more swarms.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)01:58 No.8445527
    There's stats for a wasp swarm in the Fiend Folio, IIRC. Might be useful to look at...
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:00 No.8445556
    I'm pretty sure they were horrible devil-wasps well beyond what a level 6 party can handle.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:02 No.8445586
    OP here again.

    Would Cloud Mind (psionic ability with a single target) affect a bee swarm? My impression is no.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:02 No.8445593
    Definitely not.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:04 No.8445611

    (OP) Psionics-whoring player is going to be pissed. Thank you for your sagely advice.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:06 No.8445644
    If he gets pissed about his telepathic powers not working on something with INT N/A and Swarm Traits, especially when it's single-target, you could have tons of fun trolling him all game.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:07 No.8445658
    Uh, a swarm of bees is going to kill a group of adventurers if they're magic demon bees or not.

    Unless the wizard gets a lucky fireball on the whole swarm before they get close, that's hundreds of attacks by enemies you basically can't hit, which have a stacking poison effect.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:09 No.8445689
    Speaking of bees, this thread reminds me of an idea I had a while back I would like to get your opinions on. I was think of making a wooden breastplate (with Ironwood cast on it) for a druid to wear filled with bees that he has charmed / controls. The armor would be partially hallowed to allow them to bee in it.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:09 No.8445690
    beekeeper here.

    if the players do the smart thing and cover themselves as best as they can with, say, a bedroll or something they'll be just fine.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:09 No.8445692
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:10 No.8445703
    A torch is fine too.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:11 No.8445727

    My impression is that a swarm only pulls off its attack once a turn.

    Regardless, we have a psionic caster/summoner and a warlock in the party.

    There's also a ranger with a blowdart gun and a palladin, but if it seems too broken that can't do as much.

    Would giving them some torches to light the way even the odds?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:12 No.8445734
    Wall of Smoke = win
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:14 No.8445772

    To be honest, I've never fought swarms of enraged bees with torches before.

    I have no idea how effective that would be.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:18 No.8445831
    Well, there were those too, but somewhere (and I think it's FF) there's stats for a plain old wasp swarm. CR 2, I think.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:20 No.8445854
    Wasp Swarm CR2. Fiend Folio pg 172

    4d8+4 (22) hp, 14 ac, 1d6 swarm and a poison (fort 18 negates) of 1d6 dex.

    Otherwise, looks close to your stats.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:20 No.8445859
    well, in real life or in game?

    because in real life, torches are fairly damn effective. especially if you can get it smoking a lot.

    a smokestick would be a one hit KO for this encounter.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:39 No.8446152
    OP here

    How good are bees at getting under doors?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:40 No.8446163

    very very.

    unless the door has, like, weather sealing, very very very.

    I had a terrible experience as a child.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:42 No.8446185

    So one swarm could get under the door in about 1d6 rounds?

    Also, how does a splitting mechanic sound for the swarms? Ex: a swarm can divide into two with half the health, each dealing half as much damage, but also able to evade much more rapidly.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:43 No.8446202
    This plan of yours will be easily foiled if any of your party has access to any Wall spells, especially Prismatic Wall, Wall of Smoke, Wall of Magma, Wall of Fire, Wall of Smoke, or Wall of Force.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:43 No.8446203
    1d6 rounds sounds about right.

    maybe 2d6 if you're feeling generous, but those bees were coming through FAST.

    I am so glad I had a rug to throw on that crack. even then, I got stung so bad mang.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:46 No.8446266

    You mean the bees in general? Or the splitting?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:48 No.8446298
    In general. A smart caster will find a way to funnel them into a Wall spell and make the entire ploy pretty much a joke. Hell, even someone with Use Magic Device holding the right Wand or Scroll.

    Prismatic, Magma, Fire, and Smoke walls make the bees not worth mentioning anymore regardless of how its formed.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:50 No.8446337
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:51 No.8446353
    and water.

    bees can't fly when wet. well, they can if they're only a LITTLE wet, but get them fairly wet and they fall.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:54 No.8446406
    Thanks for pointing this out, bigtime.

    I'm fairly sure at least one character has prismatic wall. I'm not expecting the party to think of this. They're not the brightest bunch so to speak.

    However, on the off chance that they do manage to subdue the bees, should I have a shitton of bears/etc ready to charge on in if this fails?

    I'm trying to figure out how else to dick with the psionic guy at the moment.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:56 No.8446417

    Bears with a breath attack that creates BEE swarms?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:58 No.8446441
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    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)02:58 No.8446445
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    A challanger appears
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:00 No.8446467
    not bees then bears.

    the guy yells "RELEASE THE HONEY"

    the players are hit with large amounts of globby, sweet goo.

    there is a pause. for maybe 20 seconds.

    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:00 No.8446468
    I dunno. Maybe a swarm of Death Scarabs?

    You could also have the BBEG somehow release in Formians, from MM1 I believe. Or anything with the Hivemind ability.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:01 No.8446481
    I wish druids could take a swarm of bees as their wild form. Then two druids could form a crime fighting duo called the bee covered bear.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:01 No.8446487

    Bears don't eat honey.

    They eat bee larva in the honey.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:01 No.8446491
    We need some drawfagging on this one
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:02 No.8446499
    I want you to be my DM
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:02 No.8446501

    that is a complete myth. bears eat both the honey AND the larvae. both are delicious to bears.

    they also eat the wax. and the live bees.

    in fact, EVERYTHING in a bee hive is delicious.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:04 No.8446520
    Everything is delicious to bears. They actually gain all the nutrients they need from fear. And what is more fearsome than a bear, to a bee?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:08 No.8446556
    DC 45 bear knowledge checks
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:09 No.8446579
    You can also have him release something else with an Intelligence of 1 in a horde. With 1 Int, they're considered mindless, thus no mind-altering effects work.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:11 No.8446609
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:16 No.8446659
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    OP here. I am genuinely speechless and in awe. Bee-struck with awe, you could say.

    The only things that I can think of that could possibly bee better would bee:

    Honeycomb Elemental,
    Honeycomb Dragon.

    Both obviously shoot bees. Dragon has a bee swarm breath attack.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:16 No.8446671
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    Bee lich
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:17 No.8446674
    Big Bad gets arms

    ...Made of bears

    Bears that shoot bees with crossbow stingers
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:23 No.8446760
    Honeycomb Dragon is my next BBEG.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:25 No.8446778
    Can't the ranger just calm the bears and make them lethargic?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:26 No.8446798

    Could also have bees that shoot tiny bears
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:28 No.8446817
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    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:29 No.8446836

    Are they bears the size of bees with wings, stingers, and poison?
    Or are they bees the size of bears with biting and clawing?
    Either way, the party is in for fuzzy death.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:30 No.8446843
    ... I think that the -thread itself- just had a beegasm.

    not any of the people on the thread, the meta-entity that is the thread.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:30 No.8446851

    Have a mix of both and i'd say it's win.

    *thumbsup* You have my approval.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:38 No.8446942
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    OP Here

    I don't even know what the hell is going on in this thread anymore, but I made this picture of >>8446417
    for you.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:41 No.8446978
    OP, is the BBEG Arakune?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:45 No.8447024

    No. He's an incompetent thief that the party is being tricked by the ACTUAL BBEG of the whole campaign into driving out of town...only indirectly via framing for a ton of shit the actual BBEG did.
    >> Indotestudo Elongata !shell/0Mgg 03/07/10(Sun)03:45 No.8447030
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    >I'd like to have the BBEG scream "RELEASE THE BEES!" and then flood the dungeon chamber the party is in with angry bees as a prelude to the final battle


    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:45 No.8447036
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    Vespiquen, I choose you!
    >> The Reinforcement Sage 03/07/10(Sun)03:45 No.8447038
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    In that case, I'm just going to start dumping bears and related material.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:47 No.8447054

    Because I am an evil bastard. :D
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:47 No.8447057
    god damn this needs an archive, i laughed so damn hard at the "how fast can bees get under a door" segment
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:47 No.8447059
    When the villain makes his escape, will he say to his minion "COME, (minion name here), ride the pig!" and then escape on a dire boar with a saddle? And wings?
    >> Indotestudo Elongata !shell/0Mgg 03/07/10(Sun)03:49 No.8447082
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    If I ever played in a game where the GM pulled that shit on me I'd probably flip the table over and run the fuck out! D:

    Pic related: Bumblebunny. Half the bee, twice the bunny.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:49 No.8447083

    OP here. BBEG of the scenario is now going to burst out through the same door he escaped through five minutes ago on a boar and knock the party to the ground, and ride away screaming.

    THEN the bears will charge in roaring.
    >> The Reinforcement Sage 03/07/10(Sun)03:51 No.8447113
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    I second this!!!!!
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:54 No.8447144

    Please stat and post this once you do it
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:55 No.8447153

    Naw, man. Beelemental. It's special attack is like Fireball. With bees. Causes splash damage with stings and poison.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)03:55 No.8447159

    Waitaminute. A 6th-level party has access to Prismatic WALL? Isn't that at least a 7th-level spell?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:00 No.8447215

    I might be wrong. I think I remember looking at it for a second, but I might have just seen it in the sourcebook someone was using to build their character.

    tl;dr: Disregard prismatic wall, I suck cocks. Full-on bee shenanigans will probably resume.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:01 No.8447223
    There was a 2e wand that let you build a prismatic wall color by color....
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:03 No.8447245
    Is this archived yet?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:04 No.8447260

    Source on this? I had a quick google using the name in the top left, but no luck.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:07 No.8447292

    No. Do not despoil this beautiful thread. Get out, lest the cultist dumper shows up.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:08 No.8447302
    oh fine.
    >> The Reinforcement Sage 03/07/10(Sun)04:09 No.8447321
    Yep, just did it.
    My first time archiving a thread actually, would you like a link?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:11 No.8447342
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    OP here. posting the wharblbee bear sans text.

    Also, yes please.
    >> Cfdk !!Cfdk6qLfe57 03/07/10(Sun)04:13 No.8447363
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    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:14 No.8447372
    e621.net search 'bee'. Artist is Melrat, and her lesbian pairings are possibly stranger than Xiombarg's (snail, clam, hummingbird....)
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:16 No.8447393
    A warlock's Eldritch Blast *CAN* target a swarm of bees and deal damage successfully, right?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:19 No.8447427
    >Release the bees!
    Now that's a good battle cry.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:19 No.8447437
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:19 No.8447438
    In 3.5, no. I don't know about 4e.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:20 No.8447443
    Well, I don't know. Is it an area attack, muthafucka? NO? Well then get that weak sauce out of my face!
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:27 No.8447527

    Warlock would have to take feats/abils allowing area affect of EBlast then?
    >> The Reinforcement Sage 03/07/10(Sun)04:27 No.8447535
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    My fellow fa/tg/uys, I apologize for the slowpoke.jpg, I got distracted by some hilarity in /a/.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:38 No.8447629
    Honeycomb golem.
    Covered in holes from which pour endless torrents of bees.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:39 No.8447639
    But is it big? Yeah, yeah yeah?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:41 No.8447653
    It's not small, no no no.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:41 No.8447657
    Only thing that occurs to me is that generally, anyone with armor will have both the normal armor and a pretty solid layer of clothing underneath, so they should be highly resistant to the bee attacks.

    wizards, rogues, and such would be fucked, however.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:42 No.8447668
    You fucking idiots.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:46 No.8447689
    You no like honeycomb golem?
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:47 No.8447704

    You've never been attacked by bees.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:54 No.8447780
    Next island my pcs run into is going to based around a central volcano surrounded in forest.

    Bearantula will be swarming the forest and bearodactyl will roost on the volcano. The volcano will be a beehive filled with molten honey.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:55 No.8447789
    Ok just checked in on Eldritch blast. It cannot in fact target bees. The only one that might be able to do shit against the bees is the psionic character, who will probably have spent all his points anyway on a stupid astral construct. Troll encounter is go.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)04:57 No.8447814
    1: Purchase box of flies
    2: Run "RELEASE THE BEES!" on your group
    3: ?????
    4: Profit.
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    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)05:04 No.8447871

    >The armor would be partially hallowed to allow them to bee in it.

    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)05:05 No.8447879

    End item treasure will be a honeycomb that summons a bees swarm.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)05:21 No.8447980
    OP out for the night.

    Will hopefully return either today or tommorow with reports of how the battle has gone.

    Thank you for your help, anon.
    >> Anonymous 03/07/10(Sun)05:29 No.8448060
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    ...Or possibly wasps.

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