Take a shit on a glass table, video the process and then post it on the internet.

I use my miracle to remove all miracles.
They have been punished and must remain so.

>>8037214

God damnit, /tg/.

WE GRANT THEM LOGIC.
PURE LOGIC. UNEMOTIONAL EVIDENCE-BASED LOGIC.

>>8037233

Oh dear, this. For hilarity.

I stop the rains and lower the river so that the boy can walk to safety.

>>8037195
Why must you stupid guys constantly spam and attack www . anon
talk . com for? Please stop. We don't want any chanturds there.

>>8037233
>>8037251
To give those people a genuine chance of making rope in the future, I VOTE THIS.

>>8037214
Glass tables are exceedingly rare at this moment in time, while video and internet do not exist.
>>8037220
This Miracle is of insufficiently power to do such a thing. As stated, it can only affect a small community, such as the one present before you. Removing all Miracles is beyond your ability at this moment in time.
>>8037233
This is an option.
>>8037251
Another vote for instilling logic into their minds.
>>8037267
This is also an option.

Currently, two votes for imposing logic upon the minds of the community.
One vote for altering nature to save the boy.

>>8037293
Make that three votes for imposing logic.

>>8037233
so we can screw with the messiah-masturbating DM I full power this option

I appear as a burning bush and in a voice that shakes the very earth I decree:

"LOL FAG"

I grant them power, and the knowledge of how to use it.

But with the injunction that using it wisely is up to them. I will spare them from the acts of an uncaring universe, but not from their own sins.

>>8037359
>>8037339
>>8037293
>>8037233
>>8037251
Very well then.

You have selected to impose unemotional logic upon the tribe.

Posting response.

>>8037333
Unemotional, evidence-based logic.
That means no "oh look at how complex the universe is, Jesus must have done it."

They will be a beautiful race, without sorrows, and free of anger and needless pain.

My miracle? My one miracle to affect a small community?

Happiness. Unending happiness for all in the community. Whatever form they find happiness in, be it solace or friendship, they find it. It sounds roneryfag, I know, but that's all I ever really wanted in life: Happiness.

Oh, and a fucking shitload of money. But that falls under happiness.

I teach them empathy. Logic, by itsself, is not enough; consider the history of psychology, for instance. a form of "logic" was used to justify lobotomies, eugenics, and the worst forms of social policy in the last two centuries - while logic is good, it must be accompanied by empathy.

Like a tribe possessed, they suddenly choke back tears of anger and sorrow and their eyes are filled with a new flame. Standing there and suffering from emotions will do nothing. They have to do something themselves - no one else will help them.

Not letting confuse hinder his new, improved mind, the endangered young man moves to find a stronger handhold amongst the rocks, trying to survive for longer while the tribesmen look around for resources and begin to tear long grasses from the earth and strip ivy from the trees, trying to conjure up some method of reaching him, or give him something to grasp.

Finally, a rudimentry rope is crafted by the tribesmen and cast out into the water time and time again, as the young man fumbles to grab at it without falling from the rock. Finally, the makeshift rope is grabbed and the boy begins to climb along it, towards the shore.

Just over half way, the ivy snaps, unable to support his weight as it is battered by the tides. The boy's brains are scattered over a rock and his carcass is swept down the river.

The tribe of logic simply stares before it turns away, without shedding a single tear. With one less tribe member, efficiency decreases. Especially a young man such as him. However, life goes on.

You are now presented with a choice.

You can either choose to Communicate with one individual in the area that you are aware of and influence him in whatever you wish. By speaking with him through his dreams, by causing visions or by implanting thoughts he considers to be his own.
Or, you can sit back and observe.

Your choice.

The miracle of neverending masturbation. I leave happy.

>>8037535

You don't seem to understand that pure logic does nothing of the sort.
It requires evidence, without the sway of personal bias.

The word 'logic' and the actuality are two very different things.
A misinformed human can easily use the word to attempt justification of many ineffective things.

Empathy is also a function that can be accomplished by logic: society is a survival advantage, preserving society increases your quality of life.
And if the error is a case of lack-of-information, logic will allow humans to find that information rapidly.
(After the first few lobotomies, they'll likely see that it is an ineffective treatment.)

>>8037591

Communicate with the most intelligent and healthiest (one who might live the longest) of them-- send him this:
That the tribe should begin compiling observations of the world, and formulate theories that describe the workings of it.

Science, technology.
With their pure logic, the should be able to work very quickly and efficiently at developing such while meeting everyone's needs.

Ok, so you're trying to be the intro to the Black and White games? Not fun.

>>8037715
Request accepted. Healthiest member would be the Chieftain's second son.
Anyone who agrees with this?

>>8037715
Perhaps also that he should teach the ideas of curiosity, innovation, investigation, and caution. Logic should take care of caution by a large part. (Don't do things that may kill you needlessly.)

>>8037774
I admit, influence was taken from the introduction to Black & White.

Where we go from there, well, fuck. 's an entirely different story.

>>8037792

How much can we send him? Can we give him knowledge of written language, methods of data storage?

>>8037840
Sending information like that would require a miraculous activity. In this instance, you cannot impart knowledge - you can only encourage him to do one thing or another.

Anyway, I might as well post the next update, since no one seems to be arguing with that idea.

I don't have the time to follow this at the moment, but props to OP for the quest equivalent of Black and White.

>>8037911
Who would argue with that?! This is like design-a-human, 'the way it was supposed to be' edition.

The second son of the leading family is implanted with new thoughts, that encourage curiosity and the expansion of knowledge. He begins to observe as things take place around him. He begins to scrawl images down on slates that he starts to collect, recording information, putting down images of fruits and dying men, to indicate that the fruits are poisonous, putting down images of animals and meat or dying men, to indicate which animals are food or dangerous.

Slowly, the strange activity attracts the attention of other tribal members, who consider such an activity to be pointless. He is wasting time on these images when he could be hunting or gathering. He merely states that it seems to be the logical thing to do - so that the information can be passed down to the next generations, and so that no one can ever forget the various truths of the world, such as which fruits are poisonous, which animals are dangerous and which plants grow where. The rest of the tribe does not do anything about him - punishing him for this activity would merely reduce efficiency further.

Months begin to pass as the second son does this, before the next event that demands your attention rises.

One boy has died of sickness. Two more have been born. This is not the event, however. There are other humans attacking, riding horses and carrying nets and spears. Women and children are being netted. Men are being run through on the spears.

Your tribe is being attacked by another and the situation is more desperate than ever.

For this situation, you have been granted a Miracle and an Epiphany. The Miracle works as it previously did - a supernatural event takes place that affects a small community. An Epiphany is very similar, except on a lower scale - it is a supernatural event that affects a single person.

What do you wish to do?

>>8038172
I use the miracle to give the invading humans empathy.
I save the epiphany.

>>8038172

Well, the other tribe members are not being very logical.
Can't be very good hunter-gatherers if you gather poisonous things to east.
So TSK on you, Plasm.

As for the Epiphany-- can we grant one person... perhaps also the chief's second son, the martial ability to defeat all the attackers?
Like lighting bolts from his fingers and the like.

Then we can use the Miracle for more important things, like correcting Plasm's illogic. :3

>>8038207
Vote accepted.

>>8038207
That's not going to work, silly. Even if the invaders have empathy, WHICH THEY ALREADY DO AS A HUMAN DEFAULT, they will still feel more for their own tribe than they do for ours.

Therefore: Raid and Pillage anyway.

>>8038239
Correction: the hunter-gatherers are not collecting poisonous fruits, since they know they are poisonous off by heart.

They just see no reason to record what they already physically - they see it as a waste of time.

>>8038262

How do they know that they are poisonous?
Could it be that they remember their shape and color?
Could it be that someone else taught them which shapes and colors were poisonous?

This is basic human reasoning skills here.
They don't taste every fruit individually for bitterness.

>>8038258
Good point.
Vote recalled, if you don't mind.

>>8038315
Vote recalled.
>>8038297
When previous tribe member ate brightly coloured fruits and fruits of certain shapes, those tribe members died or suffered from illness.

So, they connect the colours and the shapes with the illness.

I'm not arguing with the logic of physically recording information. The tribesmen are.

>>8038315
*nods* If we can use the Epiphany to make a martial champion, then we can use the Miracle to further some cultural improvements.

Otherwise we can use the Miracle to grant global military skill, and the Epiphany to give someone else the skill to teach everyone else THE LOGICAL WAY TO DO THINGS.
Like our budding scientist.

rolled 3, 6, 6 = 15

Can this Miracle strike down large numbers of people, render them catatonic, or alter their bodies in a certain specific way? Because a single broken blood vessel in the brain...

Use the Miracle to grant our tribe the power to turn invisible.

>>8038347

The tribesmen are perfectly logical as per Miracle.
You are effectively arguing that recording information is illogical, Plasm.

>>8038352
You can use Epiphany to grant extreme martial prowess to a single person, yes - although success is not guaranteed.
>>8038372
Yes.
>>8038373
This is a possibility.

>>8038405
From their position, where information has never been recorded before and they see no logical reason to record information when they can simply remember, it seems illogical. Although, this is likely to change in due time.

rolled 6, 2, 4 = 12

>>8038407
I vote for afflicting all of the hunters but one with fatal strokes.

Can the Epiphany make one of the tribesmen realize our existence?

>>8038450
Vote accepted and yes.

>>8038450

Both horrible wastes.

We could probably use the Miracle to convert the raiders to our tribe.

As for realizing our existence.... so pointless.
They'll figure out *something* is happening soon enough, especially if it is obvious and has evidence.

>>8038450

Are you retarded or something?

Neither of those are even remotely good choices.

>>8038437
The first time someone forgets which fruit is the good tasting one, it changes, but whatever...

We use the Miracle to convert the raiders fully to our tribe (logic and all.) Then the Epiphany to give our scientist invincibility to all forms of cellular damage.

rolled 2, 2, 1 = 5

>>8038494
>>8038511
Stroke removes the immediate threat. Epiphany opens the way for direct commands.

Come up with better ideas and I will support them.

>>8038526
>>8038494
>>8038450
One vote for ending the lives of the raiders with Miracle.
Two votes for converting them to the tribe.

>>8038526
I like this. Alot. We just need to Communicate a convincing argument for Science to him that he can use on the tribe now.

rolled 3, 5, 3 = 11

>>8038553
I change my vote to conversion.

Once converted, they can teach us some horse riding and netting and spearing!
YAY!

>>8038571
Understood.

Conversion is accepted. Beginning update.

Conversion. Hopefully they're not all men, as that will create gender imbalance.

Unless we just use the raiders as fodder.

Can part of the miracle be creating a closer gender balance?

>>8038526

Invulnerability against cellular damage? No death, no aging?

DO WE HAVE US SOME EMPEROR OF MANKIND IN THIS BOY?

>>8038621

Except he isn't a corpse.

The raiders are suddenly stuck by your powers. They see no reason for what they are doing - in fact, they should be helping these people. They can already see how they are prospering, by their large stocks of food - their methods are far more efficient than those of their own tribe. Joining with this new tribe would be far more beneficial. So, just live that, suddenly the attack ceases and the women are released.

The defenders are not so merciful. Before they realize that the attackers are actually surrendering, three of the nine raiders are slain. The rest are captured and imprisoned, where they are interrogated - and the curious second son begins to record information from them, such as how they tamed their horses, crafted spears and made nets. The other tribesmen are beginning to respect this logic of this.

The raiders are indeed all male. Information is extracted from the more-than-willing raiders who inform the tribe that they come from plains at the borders of the forest that your tribe lives in, where their own monotheistic tribe has almost a hundred members.

Confirm: Immortalize the Second Son.
Also, you are granted another use of Communicate to use as you wish.
You also have the option of not interfering until the next event.

>>8038812
Confirm immortalizing him. He will prove a useful avatar of battle.

As well as this, can we attempt to communicate to him that he must begin expanding the cultivated land, and encouraging the people to reproduce more? We need to build up our population, so we might CRUSH OTHERS.

>>8038812
I LIKE THE SOUND OF THAT: "IMMORTALIZE THE SECOND SON."

As for Communicate... we should send something about agriculture... maybe.

rolled 5, 5, 1 = 11

>>8038812
Confirm.

How far does our influence extend? If we had another Miracle, could we use it on the other tribe?

>>8038812

Confirm that the converts are also perfectly logical now as well?

Confirm immortality, for if we fail we can just rise up in a later time.

Communicate that we should send the raiders back to their tribe to tell them how we prosper under our ways, and that we extend peace and unity.

>>8038850
>>8038871
>>8038883
Confirmed. Accepting the request to attempt agriculture. Any other requests?
The raider tribe is small enough to be affected by a Miracle.
>>8038886
Confirmed.

rolled 2, 2, 1 = 5

Suggesting that, if the next conflict can be resolved without the use of Miracle, it should then be used to convert the raider tribe.

>>8038937

Hmmmm, our tribe should pick up military tactics from the converted raiders quite nicely if they're all rather logical.
Even if they are only basic military tactics.

I still think sending missionaries would be effective.

>>8039020

Missionaries of LOGIC.
One day.
One day we will.
And they shall know no fear.

>>8038979
I think we should expand on this by converting the Raider tribe entirely. Then using our next miracle to have ALL of their steeds beefed up, so we have some nasty-ass destriers for mowing our enemies down.

We shall take in our enemies strengths and use it against them!

A strong central area for farming food will support us, and riders will allow us to scout and conquer

All information that the raider tribe knows is assimilated by your tribe. Other tribe members are also joining in the image-crafting, so that information may be remembered. They accept the knowledge of the Second Son.

The Second Son also proposes a new idea. He pushed forth a slate containing information. He has observed that plants grow from seed. If they create an area safe from flood and predation, they can cultivate plants and create a source of food that they can aquire nutrients from whenever they wish. The rest of the tribe agrees with this and a project is initiated.

Months begin to pass. The immortality of the Second Son is already noticeable. He doesn't seem to suffer from any form of illness. No dead skin, no grey hairs, nothing. Taking this as a sign of incredible health, he is assigned half of the women of the tribe.

From the knowledge obtained, the tribesmen know that since the raiding party never returned, another will come soon to confirm just what happened, so guards have been placed. This time, the Tribe is not taken by surprise. Six raiders this time. Two are slain, four are captured and screaming obscenities and curses, refusing to cooperate at all.

You have no Miracles or Epiphanies available at this particular event. You are, however, granted another Communicate. Who do you wish to use it on and to convince of what?

rolled 3, 1, 1 = 5

>>8039202
First, a question: Can the Second Son's immortality be passed on to his children, even in partial form?

>>8039237
This is something that will have to be observed.

Communicate:

The converted raiders are to take the captured raiders back to their tribe. The converted raiders are to tell the raider tribe we offer peace, unity, and prosperity by sharing skills and knowledge.

>>8039275
Request accepted.

Any others?

rolled 5, 6, 2 = 13

>>8039319
Not from me.

Proceed.

>>8039275

This is likely a poor plan-- our converted raiders may be captured.

Communicate should be something more clever... perhaps the concept of diplomacy and trade, not a directive.

>>8039362
Thisy. Not just a command. Communicate the concepts of diplomacy involved, our tribe's logic can draw the rest.

>>8039378

Agreed. We teach diplomacy to our people and tell them to give it a test run.

>>8039362
Note: Communicate encourages individuals to do something. It does not impart knowledge. You might encourage diplomacy, but you wouldn't teach the finer arts of it. Use Epiphanies, Miracles and more advanced supernatural events you don't have access to yet to do that.

>>8039402
>>8039378
>>8039362
Accepted.

>>8039417
We can encourage the tribe to attempt to establish peaceful communications with the raiders.

Our tribesmen are clever, they'll get the concept once we give them a general idea.

A pity we didn't just sit back after making friends with the raiders.
What about the First Son?

>>8039479
THE SECOND SON IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
PRAISE THE EMPEROR.

>>8039479
>>8039495

Birth order will not matter in a logical society; he who is best at leading will.
The first son is probably off doing something useful.

Luckily enough there won't be any jealousy either!
LOGIC, FTW.

The Second Son is filled with ideas of diplomacy. He begins to speak to his comrades about this - perhaps they can barter and trade with these individuals in order to convince them to side with them.

So, they begin to barter with the prisoners, who are obviously illogical, otherwise they would've immediately sided with the more fruitful tribe. They offer more food, more water and women, in exchange for their services. Greedily, the four raiders accept.

Negotiations with the raider faction itself are not made. It would be foolish - chances are that the negotiators would simply be slain.

The Second Son has been accepted as the new chieftain after several months. He is healthier and more intelligent. The former chieftain accepts this and willingly steps down for the superior leader to take his place.

Tribe's current state:
3 Elderly (2 male, 1 female)
21 males (11 tribesmen, 6 former-raiders, 4 raiders)
13 females
9 children (6 females, 3 males)

The raider tribe is confirmed to have:
Approximately 60 raider males
Approximately 40 women
Approximately 20 children, half and half male and female

Yet again, you're granted another case of Communicate.

>>8039620

It may be time to Communicate the desire to codify in written word the Logic of the tribe.
The laws, the founding precepts, etc.

Also, to instill the desire to teach and spread this to our new raider friends. (And everyone else.)

We shall see if our tribe's logic and perceptiveness can be spread without miraculous help.

Does the tribe as a whole know of us, specifically?

While granting concrete knowledge of a god to most people would inevitably end in disaster, our logical beings will likely benefit from knowing that they have something at their backs, and the limitations therein. We and the tribe could jointly experiment ways to expand our power.

>>8039620

Ouch, we're facing a large group.

Communicate that the tribe should build walls and dig ditches around our area to slow down attackers.

>>8039675
We should be careful not to end up like Greece. Perhaps we can sneak in the drive to develop military technology with that?

>>8039687

One day, this will be a good plan. Now... unnecessary.
Since in this case, a deity actually does exist.

You've created a race of monsters /tg/

So:

Communicate the desire to increase defenses and the desire to form written word.

We need defenses. Perhaps bows. We don't exactly have many to use them though.

>>8039767

This seems good.
Make sure they're sufficiently advanced defenses to counter a vastly larger force.

ALSO!
The desire to watch carefully and study the illogical raiders among us.
See how they work, make sure we are not betrayed.

>>8039735

Consider, though, what religion could do for diplomacy. "Look what we get, just by being us?" And then on the next miracle we logic bomb any converts.

>>8039755
PSH. CPU is glad we chose logic. More fun that way. More useful in modern times too.

>>8039803
This! Watch those illogical raiders CONSTANTLY.

>>8039823

Unprovable religion will only start wars and make trouble for our logical followers at this time.

We should convert everyone to Logic first, then reveal our existence.

>>8039847

It depends on who we're converting. If the Raiders have a god, we might be in trouble. If not, worth a shot.

Gotta ask some of the captives about that.

>>8039847
Indeed, after all, humans themselves in their natural state ARE logical. They're just hampered by emotions and processing errors.
Makes it easier to teach such a philosophy.

>>8039755
cybermen do not suffer, and therfor do not grow. our village is still human, but thinks logically, and accounts for other human's emotions. they still suffer, they still grow, they still think. they still have individuality, for it is logically proven to improve an individual's ability to attract a mate. logic doesn't mean "durr durr necron".

>>8039896

Cybermen are implausible... and suffering is not needed for growth.
Logic can also perform the function of every emotion; example, frustration: it causes the organism to devote more effort to a problem, or move on to a more efficient task.
Logic can do that.

Then, only the need for more resources and the availability of such resources is required for growth.

>>8039896
>>8039828
You say that but you don't mean that.

Your no better then these guys!

>>8039952
>>8039755
>Implying fictional creatures claiming to be logical are ACTUALLY logical.
>Implying a highly emotional screen writer is adept at understanding logic.

Because the Vulcans did logical things, right? heh

>>8039952
why exterminate? other races groups and sects can help futher our cause. furthermore, extermination is a task that uses alot of resources. seems counterproductive.

did you forget that daleks exterminate because they hate?

>>8040042
Exterminatus is to be used as one of the final options.
If a tribe refuses to play nice under any circumstances, they receive the honors.

Its all going to blow up in your face,

Then I'll have to clean it up.

I think it's important that our tribe have the full gamut of emotions, and act on them freely.

The key, I think, is to ensure they always ask the following questions to themselves, about everything; what, and why. What will happen if I do this? Why would I do it? Then, follow these things through to their logical conclusion before acting.

Be angry. Be absolutely furious. But always, always think about what will happen if you choose to act on that anger.

>>8039803
The raiders don't get the Tribe of Logic. They're just plain alien to them. Ultimately, the raiders are both satisfied and irritated with the situation. They get no satisfaction from being with this bunch of freaks - no sadism, no ritual, nothing. It's dull. It's boring. The only reason they're loyal is because of the food and the sex and the fact that if they leave, they'll probably get cut down by your tribe. They've already been punished in logical ways to do not lower their efficiency as hunters for trying to take more than their fair share. Also, they appear to be monotheistic and worship a deity known as A'moshatharikati. Whether this deity is similar to you or merely the product of fiction is unknown.

The Second Son begins to teach more advanced methods of recording information, so more data can be put down on a single slate. Symbols are used instead of images.

Expansion of defenses is also prioritized. Ditches are dug and filled with sharpened stakes, moats are dug out and more. Bottlenecks to funnel enemies through are created.

>>8040114
Months pass before the raiders attack again. This time, their forces are much larger. They are expecting something dangerous here - most likely a civilization to be plundered. There are twenty-three of them.

The conflict begins. Several spears, crafted to be thrown, are chucked at the enemy. Several of the enemy are slained, their numbers dropping to half before things begin to go wrong.

The raiders begin to cut down your people from within your ranks and suddenly, your people begin to... panic. They're not working at maximum efficiency any longer, they're starting to act illogical, they're trying to run, scrambling for a way to get away from the attackers and the traitors. Then one of them spontaneously combusts, causing further panic and terror.

You have two Epiphanies and one Miracle.

>>8040092
only the emotional stay a course even after it stops working.

>>8040104
As mentioned, they do not need emotions to do this.
Logic can perform the function of every emotion, including anger.
It also automatically causes the humans to formulate the best course of action through that 'questioning' process.

rolled 5, 6, 3 = 14

>>8040125
Their god exists. This presents a problem.

miracle to convert raiders. epiphany to let second son realize that some sporratic force occaisionally infuses beings with logic. another epiphany for him to learn magic.

>>8040145

No, but emotion feels better.

>>8040125

Logic bomb the raiders with the miracle.

Fire huh?

Miracle: Become infused with fire. We will no longer be human, but elementals.

>>8040125

That deity is casting inside our territory!
SODDING RULEBREAKER!

Well then. What to do.
It seems the Cultural Victory option isn't progressing fast enough.
Can we use an epiphany to make one of our tribesmen SO TERRIFYING that he scares off everyone attempting to attack us?

Otherwise... conversion miracle again?
Can we tell if our tribe has been temporarily panicked, or permanently affected?

>>8040206
Nah, they'll just get cut down before the fighting ends. Again.

>>8040206

I wonder if we can become the Deity of Logic.
The more humans devote to logic, the more powerful we become.
It would be pretty fun to take away other deity's worshipers with logic-bombs.

>>8040280

Some of them, perhaps.
But at least one will be alive.
And that's one more for us!

>>8040252
This. We need to know if our tribe requires a re-logic miracle.

>>8040252
Temporarily.

You can tell that the other deity attempted to paralyze them with fear. He failed due to the influence that you already had on them, via logic.

However, the logic is permanant, while the fear has a duration, hence in this situation, the fear is more effective than the logic.

The shorter the duration, the more it overpowers longer duration miracles.
Same duration miracles nullify each other or find a way to work with one another.

An epiphany can also be used for what you requested.

Using Miracle for Logic Bomb (tm).
Waiting for a consensus on two Epiphanies.

>>8040252
Giving the Second Son an AWESTRIKE Aura may be useful.

Can we summon some sort of giant animal to serve as the village's protector, or perhaps morph one of our villagers into one?

>>8040327
>>8040326

Hmmmm. An aura to the second son that causes all those illogical who gaze upon him to rever him and heed his words?

>>8040341
An Epiphany can be used to summon a strong supernatural creature.
A Miracle can be used to summon a stronger supernatural creature or a group of supernatural creatures.
More advanced supernatural events can do more.

>>8040374

Sounds splendid.

>>8040326
We should spend one of our Epiphanies giving one of our villagers a Conversion power which they can use to turn others to the ways of logic, extending our blessings. It doesn't necessarily have to be combat-usable, although that would be nice; something to convert prisoners or visitors to our society as much as possible in the coming years is what is needed here.

Modifying a woman with this is probably more reasonable, as they are generally not targeted in combat.

>>8040374
Giving the Second Son Awera then.

Excuse the pun.

One Epiphany remaining.

>>8040404
HOLY IMPERATOR, HERE WE COME.

Can we summon a supernatural creature that has a psychic ability for scouting and mindfucking?

>>8040436
This is possible.

>>8040398

Or give it to the Second Son! Bwahahahaha.

Although... we need to be cafeful about eggs and baskets.

Is it possible for another deity to Instant Kill Blast our Second Son?

>>8040404
I suggest doing >>8040398, giving us the avatar of lady logic. that, or giving our villagers the power of psionics.

>>8040453
Stop stacking all our powers on one person. We need to spread our blessings around, if only because our villagers don't know about inbreeding and will start logically mating everyone with those gifted as much as possible.

Miracle: Summon beings of great strength and fertility.

They shall slaughter our foes, and bless us with children!

>>8040453
You have made him immortal.

Another deity could have him either temporarily incapacitated or cancel out his immortality completely.

>>8040484

Can we make him DOUBLE immortal?

And what level of miracle would cancel out his Immortality?

Let's save out epiphany for after combat, and use it somehow to start building an actual society.

Or summon something to be used for permanent defense, to allow more of our people to devote their time to advancement.

>>8040483
Ooh, I like this. Let's get demihuman up in this shit.

So far:

Miracle: Logic Bomb™
Epiphany 1: Awera™ for the Second Son.
Epiphany 2: Either manipulative supernatural creature or bestow active indoctrination abilities upon healthiest female.

>>8040527
RABBIT OGRES

>>8040504
Since you used an Epiphany, an Epiphany would do it.

>>8040531
I'm not terribly into Awera. I'd say drop it and go with both 2) options.

>>8040531
Vote for creature.

>>8040527
>>8040540
>>8040483


Do this. Strength and numbers!

>>8040546
Awaiting consensus.

>>8040543

Can we use another Epiphany to make him DOUBLE IMMORTAL?!

>>8040564
Yes.

SUPER POWERED BEAR MOUNT FOR THE EMPRAH

>>8040531

Indoctrination, on someone we shall call the Mother of Wisdom. We need to swell our ranks, and breeding will take too long.

>>8040543
Priority one with next miracle is to boost our immortality. If they stack, it'll take a miracle and an epiphany to off our little Impirator.

>>8040564
We may want to provide a cleverness clause-- like if he gets killed, he immediately rematerializes somewhere safe.

Guys, we're still at war here. We can start on genetic engineering when the threat is dealt with. I'm hoping our power grows with the number of followers we have, so I think Awera and conversion woman is paramount right now.

>>8040564 >>8040576
Why are we planning to throw so much of our divine energies into one guy? Sure, immortality is nice, but he's the healthiest and the guy we've given ideas, not necessarily the smartest or someone we want to keep forever. Look more to the broad scale and the long term, fellow anons.

>>8040576
Understood.

Since enthusiasm for Awera seems to have dropped:

Miracle: Logic Bomb™
Epiphany 1: Give healthiest female the power of Indoctrination.
Epiphany 2: Summon a supernatural creature adept at mind-manipulation and scouting.

How about invisibility for spying on another tribe?

>>8040609

WE CAN MAKE HIM MORE INTELLIGENT.

What Conversion Range can an Epiphany grant?
If we make a conversion-girl, can she convert multiple people?

>>8040617
Go, go, go!

>>8040635
Yes, she can.

Miracle: LOGIC BOMB

Get converts!

Epiphany: Mother of Wisdom to the strongest and most healthy female of our tribe. She shall serve as our party face.

>>8040650
AT A TIME?

>>8040644
Understood, then.

Posting update unless there are any regrets.

>>8040660
Oh man I hope we get an Ankylosaurus.

>>8040635
We can make him more intelligent, yes... but wouldn't that divine energy be better spent making the entire tribe a little more intelligent, or summoning a hyperintelligent creature to breed more smarts into everyone, or similar? Why obsess on one man?

>>8040660
The scout creature should be invisible.

Well.
Regrets, you say?
We do need to find out the extent and range of our deity powers.

The other deity seems to be able to blast people in our village.
Can we blast people in his?

>>8040660

HEY! WAIT A MOMENT...

Can we create a virus? One that only affects people not in our tribe?

>>8040701

Because it's neat to have an avatar. And, as he's effectively immortal, he's our failsafe against non-combat death of tribespeople.

Let's make him radiate an aura that slowly but permanently raises the intelligence of everyone around him.

>>8040725
We'd have to physically alter our people for that to work. Though if we can afford to bank a miracle at some point, blessing our chosen with inheritable extraordinary health should be on our to-do list. Disease utterly decimated people in ancient times, particularly as they began to urbanize.

>>8040725
How does a tribesman know what viruses are

>>8040725
LOGIC PLAGUE

I think we need to start saving our stuff.

Go with all that we've agreed with, but we need to remember/be reminded that we can save stuff for later use.

>>8040750

He doesn't need to.
We're the one summoning it.

Just like we can summon supernatural creatures, we should be able to summon a LOGIC PLAGUE™.

Epiphany: Death be no longer feared by the Logic tribe.

Can this be done? It's logical. The tribe of Logic should understand that death is not wanted, but it also not something to be feared. Fear of death only creates inefficiency. If fear of death is lost, then they can fight more effectively.

>>8040775
gah ignore name lol, stupid autofill

>>8040775

They do not feel fear.
They rationally understand the risks to life, and that death is not advantageous
Therefore they fight at maximum efficiency to preserve life using the best possible methods they know.

Suddenly, in a flash of metaphoric light, every man is suddenly doused with logic. They look upon the camp that they are attacking and they stop. Why are they attacking? It does not make sense.

They attempt to surrender, trying to back down, although another four of them are killed, leaving eight of them alive. However, the Second Son recognizes this. The first raid did the same thing, so they do not even bother to capture these raiders - they know that they shall side with them.

Somewhere in the camp, the healthiest woman is suddenly imbued with pure logic and the ability to spread it.
A strange insectoid creature is created, with many legs and many arms and a strange head. When still an inanimate, it simply looks like a rock. It is capable of mentally scouting an area and of manipulating and assuming direct control over a single mortal mind at a time.

However, something happens to one of the raiders. Its eyes begin to burn with an unimaginable rage as a Miracle is poured into it, following by an Epiphany. Suddenly, it begins to twist and change. It grows, becoming hideous and cancerous, a horrifying entity of muscle and twisted bone, approximately the size and weight of a van. It begins to slaughter all around it.

You have an Epiphany to use.

>>8040805
I thought that they did feel fear, and merely did not allow it (or any other emotion) to dictate their actions? Removing their emotions entirely would make learning normal human psychology all but impossible.

SURE IS BLACK AND WHITE UP IN HERE

>>8040816
We need a Megazord.

>>8040775
They do not fear death at all. They merely wish to avoid the decrease of efficiency that an individual's death causes.

>>8040816

Can we Logic Bomb it?
Even monstrous creatures need something to control that muscle.
And that something can have LOGIC in it.

>>8040816
Massively boost the mental powers of our summoned guardian, such that he can seize control of this new opponent.

If we can't manage that, teleport the enemy monster into the ocean a few thousand miles away.

>>8040805
Ah I see....

then perhaps, their epiphany should be to obtain the skills necessary to wield weapons better in combat? Perhaps I don't understand the situation too well, but if the raiders are using melee weapons, knowing how to disarm them could be a simple enough request. It could be done in a way which facilitates peace, too.

>>8040816

EPIPHANY: TURN IT INTO A USELESS BLOB OF FLESH

>>8040845
okay scratch this, if they're using cancerous zombie monsters now, and if the logic tribe are using viral logic techniques...

>>8040841
I don't think we want to logic bomb it. From an individual perspective, if one has greater power than anyone else around- particularly enough to overcome all of the potential opponents combined- enslaving all rivals and channelling all resources into your control is generally the logical course. Remember, we're giving them logic, not a hive mind- they're still individuals. Remember your game theory.

>>8040816
It had an Epiphany and Miracle used on it.
Can we tell what each one did?

Selective counteracting can work well.
Followed by logic-blast!

Epiphany: Make the weather really bad and the ground really muddy? Tribe is still using throwing spears right? Should be able to kite them if conditions are favorable.

>>8040898
It should see that working with others as logical as itself is the safest and most resource-filled course of action.

We can always Loyalty-Blast it later if necessary, but I doubt that will be.

Use epiphany to make one of the spears super powered. Have the emprah fight the demons while riding the insect.

>>8040910
You have a point here. A large creature with a great deal of muscle is going to weigh a ton; if we make the ground unfavorable to heavy creatures they might be able to take advantage.

But they'll still probably take losses. I'd like to avoid making our tribesmen fight if possible; we're losing a lot of people here.

Epiphany: It has the body of a slug. While it hates us and is strong, it is slow and vulnerable.

The Miracle turned it into a creature of logic as well. It is a monster. It uses its own logic to try and kill as many creatures as possible in the shortest space of time without dying.

The Epiphany was used to turn it into what it is.

>>8040908
Looks like they used a Miracle to undo our conversion, then an epiphany to make them monstrous. So just epiphanise and make them un-monstrous. THEN KILL THEM

>>8040946
Working with them is the safest and most logical, sure. Because it'll be able to make them knuckle under in a sane and logical fashion, until their careful, logically crafted plotting to remove the resource drain of a creature which eats twenty times as much as any of them take place and they start logically killing each other.

We don't want this thing on our side, even without considering that the rival god likely has a great hold on it. Getting rid of it or killing it is the preferred option here.

Two choices seem to be rising here:

1: Make the ground as unfavourable as possible, so as to render it helpless.
2: Logic bomb the creature.

>>8040981

That means that it is not a creature of Pure Logic, as our tribesmen are.
There is only one logic, as you know. That based upon reality itself.
Killing people quickly doesn't get it any resources by itself.

We should just be able to use our epiphany to give it our Pure Logic.
Or just have conversion girl, or the insect do it.

>>8041028
It does not feel the need for resources.

Its mind is completely restructed and inhumane. It is literally a killing machine.

>>8041023
Turn it back into a human; cancel the god's Epiphany.

>>8041010

LOGIC DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.

Lots of people misunderstand logic. The perfectly logical have no reason to plot against each other, they can speak of the issue clearly.

Monster eats 20 times more food? Monster gets to till the food-producing fields.
Problem solved.

>>8041057
>>8041003
This is an option.

>>8041050

Can we... change its mind?

Either using the insect, conversion girl, or the Epi.

>>8041050
Restructured.

God damn it.

>>8041064
Logic can also say "if we kill these people, their resources are ours with little cost to ourselves"

Should have specified what kind of logic - communal, individual?

>>8041101
We know silly. Don't go all theist on us from a spelling mistake.

>>8041064
Your argument assumes that there is a logical equilibrium beneficial to all. There may be- and I argue that there is- a more favorable equilibrium if the monster is removed, creating a perfectly logical route to conflict for all concerned.

Admittedly, there may be a favorable equilibrium if we use the monster's strength to start constantly pillaging other villages, thereby maximizing the gain from its presumably immense resource consumption, but that'll also be dangerous.

rolled 1 = 1

>>8041122
I lol'd.

To hell with it. I've had enough decision-based delays with previous quests.

Using dice to setlle this.

Stop arguing about logic, and pick something. >:(

>>8041117

Logic will take the most beneficial long-term course for the benefit of the individual.
That does not mean kill first-- it's wasteful.

That means talk first, work together for greater profits than one alone could make.
If that fails, then it's killing time.

>>8041147

Well... the decision is pretty clear from what most have said.

Logic Bomb/Convert/Change Mind of the creature.

>>8041147
Great, we got the shit one.

>>8041211
FROWN. Conversion really is the preferred one.

How about the ability to distinguish friend from foe be removed?

>>8041232
>1: Make the ground as unfavourable as possible, so as to render it helpless.
I was talking about this.

>>8041178
Not really. Half of this has been an argument about logic between two people. Some advocated changing the earth beneath it, some advocated changing it back.
>>8041147
The ground beneath the monstrosity begin to shift and change, as it becomes murky and marshy. What used to be solid soil becomes a murky fen. It descends into the pit, struggling and writhing. Nets are cast down to try and restrain it while javelins are thrown at it and spears are jabbed at it. One of them is pulled into the muddy hole and consumed by the monstrositiy before it eventually collapses and dies, the new, muddy pool consuming it.

Current tribe state:
The Second Son
The Lady of Wisdom
The Controller
3 Elderly (2 male, 1 female)
24 males (8 tribesmen, 16 former-raiders)
12 females
9 children (6 females, 3 males)

You have one Communicate to use after this conflict. What do?

>>8041272
Also: The Controller is currently inanimate and in hiding. It does not wish to be spotted for the Tribe of Logic is not aware of its existance.

>>8041272
I think we can bank our Communicate for later. Our tribespeople should be able to reach a decent next move on their own, simply by applying logic to their current situation.

What is the status of the surrounding tribes? Is there a common written language yet? What's the general tech status?

>>8041272

That's alot of converts...
Do they have any magical symbols of their old deity... perhaps that are allowing that deity to cast things at us so easily.
Or are there no territory markings?

Perhaps Communicate to the conversion girl the nature of her powers and how to use them...

>>8041316
Request accepted, waiting for consensus.

>>8041313
Can you give us a little more information about The Controller? What its mind is like, motivations are, how much control we have over it, that sort of thing?

>>8041272

They now know something is up.

Speak to them of Gods. Of us, and the other god, and of what each of us can do. Speak to them of tactics, as well, so when the next attack comes they will have set things up so we can logic bomb the entire crowd without a single casualty.

And make sure it's impressive. Logic does not mean they cannot go ooh and ah over how neat we are.

We could move.

They keep sending greater and greater stuff at us, how long do you think we can hold out?

We need to tell our people to capture Elephants. We also need a source of lava and felsite.

>>8041316

I concur, we can bank our Communicate for when they start wondering in earnest about the supernatural happening around them.

>>8041340
Move where? Somewhere more defensible? Like a cave? A cliff?

>>8041340

HOPEFULLY, this other deity has never seen the Logic Bomb before.
How common could LOGIC be in Ambiguously Neolithic Land?

Perhaps our surprise conversions can thin his numbers enough.

We should use the communicate to either reveal ourselves or the controller to the second son.

>>8041394

Perhaps The Controller.
So they don't attack it.

>>8041340
The raider tribe started with 60 combat types. Twenty-three of them just tried to raid us and didn't return. It's now 24 v. 37. That's not so unequal anymore; they can't really escalate very effectively.

Speaking of that, we need to develop bows or something so that we can include our female population in combat. We haven't urbanized yet or even been agricultural for any significant length of time, which means that our women have not yet turned into malnourished short-lived baby factories. They should be fairly capable.

>>8041410
Can we communicate directly with the Controller? (Without using Communicate.)

>>8041326
You can Communicate with the Controller whenever you wish. It is quite a stealthy creature and this is only aided by the fact that it can manipulate multiple minds at once, causing animosity, or perhaps laziness, and persuade them not to look in its direction. It is also capable of assuming direct control over a single creature. It has a large head, a short body and many legs and arms.
>>8041320
It's stone age. They're hunter-gatherers who have managed to understand how to tame horses. You're hunter-gatherers who are becoming farmers as well. There is no common written language. The other tribes do not even appear to be physically recording any information yet.

We should tell them to lay traps, pit falls, maybe dig trenches... they will attack again.

>>8041433
We invented writing and drawing!
We're already going to be FAMOUS.

>>8041462
Like the guy who invented the wheel?

>>8041326
As for motivations, it's a fickle creature. Although it's primarily logical, it takes particular delight in ruining lives and turning friends on each other.

>>8041433
>You can Communicate with the Controller whenever you wish
Well, now it seems that if we can get our tribe to acknowledge the Controller as an ally, we have effective netted infinite Communicates. Worth spending a Communicate on, I think.

>>8041472
*woman

>>8041433
I move that our goal is to hit Grecian levels by the time they have figured out how to write.

Assuming we get enough power, we can dump the basics of all the major sciences directly into their heads.

>>8041480
It can't inspire specific actions. It can increase certain emotions of a group or assume direct control over a few.

Let's just wait and see. There's not enough info to make a good choice at this point. We should save our powers to react at this point, we don't have the man power to expand our tribe enough to "enlighten" them further.

>>8041513
Assume direct control over one, I mean.

>>8041513
All right, then, bank it and give us the next timeskip. Let's see if our logical people fort up or start attempting to spread the good word.

>>8041513

Can we expend an epiphany to make it able to communicate verbally with our people?

It can't drop ideas into their heads like we can, but it can certainly suggest things.

>>8041476

Delight is an emotion! Frown.
As long as it only does it to our enemies... I suppose.

Not like it can trouble our tribesmen with such things anyway.

ehhh. let's save the communicate and allow time to pass.

Hopefully the controller will operate on its own.

>>8041545
You currently lack an Epiphany.

The common vote seems to be towards saving the Communicate.

Continue?

>>8041542

They can do BOTH!

I concur though. We save the Communicate for later.

And it was confirmed that we may speak with The Controller without using a Communicate power?
As in... talk to it. Get our scouting data!

>>8041576
Yes, continue. Keep this game moving.

>>8041576

Yes. Time skip!

Hopefully Second Son and Lady Wisdom hook up.

>>8041586

I wonder if we can use a Miracle to make those Immortality and Conversion powers genetically heritable...

>>8041613
Do you think an immortal race will really move forward?

>>8041633

Yes? Heh.
Why wouldn't it?
Population would grow.
They develop space travel.
They spread to the galaxy.

>>8041647
I guess it's hard for me to believe in this whole "logic" thing. Ignoring it, immortal humans would waste their immortality. At best, we'd just follow ancient tradition as we crowd an area by drying up its resources.

The whole logic thing does change my view on how an immortal race would work... but essentially, this idea of the tribe of logic are like robots in that regard

i say time skip. Also, as /tg/ as a god of logic is we're not bound to continue using the logic bomb on people are we? I mean we could do whatever we want with the miracles and epiphanies. It kicks ass that out tribe is way more logical out of the gate than all the other people we've encountered, so I say leave it at that. continuing with the logic god stuff just devolves the game into arguing about what is logical and makes things less fun

>>8041633
The greatly increased population pressure and the lack of pressure from death would even out.

>>8041711
oh wow what Engrish at the end there, forget what I'm talking about, we'll just have to see what happens I guess

>>8041711

You're still hampered by traditional dogma regarding humanity and logic.

A normal human, when immortal, would have no fear of death, and so would adventure quite widely.
Curiosity would reign, not stagnation.

A logical being, would not be swayed by uncontrollable and detrimental impulses.
He would be sentient, capable of performing all humans do now, simply more effectively and efficiently.

>>8041714
IT MAKES IT MORE FUN.
ALOT MORE FUN.

Causes this game to provoke thought and debate.

>>8041790
This is the shit im talking about. This is not fun. Lets be a god for fucks sake. Also, it makes sense for them to be afraid of death since we have limited numbers at this point and ever person is important in order for the tribe to survive.

Why is this thread making logic seem so subjective?

Eight years pass. The tribe evolves at a rate beyond any other due to your intervention. It goes from using small, crude tents to constructing reasonable huts from wood gathered from the smaller trees. Bows have been developed, a written language has been developed and the society is booming. You've had no reason to interfere. The Controller has also been discovered after a few years - although and the Second Son utilizes it as an assistant and a scout.

Something's happening though, after all of this time. There's the smell of smoke in the air in the middle of the day. Forest fire, coming from the Eastern borders.

Through mental scouting, you confirm with the Controller that the Raider tribe has arrived in full force.

Current tribe state:
The Second Son
The Lady of Wisdom
The Controller
1 Elderly (1 male)
26 males (10 tribesmen, 16 former-raiders)
16 females
38 children (20 females, 18 males)

>>8041832

Yep, that's what made Vampire Bride Quest so fun, too.
CPU can handle the logic. (This seems to be him, or someone like him, at least.)
Just requires a competent GM.

Also, how often is a Logic Deity done? It's new ground!

>>8041838
Constructing new thread.

>>8041838

Did the raiders start the fire?

Do we have anything new to use?

Can we use the next miracle we get to make our tribesmen able to generate electricity? It would increase their killing efficiency.

New thread: >>8041884