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    48 KB Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)00:51 No.7834729  
    No White Wolf/D10 system fans?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)00:52 No.7834733
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)00:54 No.7834760
    Only Exalted myself.

    Tried Scion, didn't care for it.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)00:55 No.7834781
    I like nWoD, Exalted can go fuck itself.
    >> Me/x/ic/a/non !!bONCBH5KSLq 01/30/10(Sat)00:56 No.7834794
    Yup. nWod Magefag here
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)00:57 No.7834824
    Also, by 'd10' does that mean L5R? I'm fond of that.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)00:57 No.7834825
    Mage and vampire are both great fun.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)00:58 No.7834840
    oWoD is pretty tight. Flawed, but I like it.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)00:59 No.7834857
    There is always a WoD thread going on somewhere on /tg/ and Exalted shows up at least once a day.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:00 No.7834866

    Scion however, only happens once in a blue moon.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:00 No.7834867
    I love me some World of Darkness.

    Want to get into the Trinity games, but I don't have the time.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:01 No.7834877
    I found a copy of Changeling the Dreaming and Wraith the Oblivion at Recycle Bookstore and it made me happy, then I got really sad when I realized I have no more gamer friends.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:01 No.7834880
    If anyone ever suggest we play world of darkness, I would just leave. This and Maid are the only two games I'd flat out walk out on.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:01 No.7834882

    Yeah Scion kinda sucks. You'd be better off just trying to modernize Exalted really. I like the concept though.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:02 No.7834894
    This >>7834882

    Exalted modern is/would-be pretty awesome. Scion is just... yeah...
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:03 No.7834901
    I mean oWoD obviously, nWoD is pretty cool.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:03 No.7834908

    I discovered this, much to my disappointment
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:03 No.7834913

    Maid is actually pretty cool if your DM is not a fag.

    If 10 mins pas without an explosion/giantrobot/demon/whatever then you are doing it wrong.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:05 No.7834934
    I found the Werewolf: The Wild West book at a local used book store for a few bucks and after playing a couple owod games for a while, I can't wait to get started, it looks great.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:05 No.7834936
    Yeah, but I mean I'm not a MACHO GUY or anything. But I seriously just don't want to play as a little anime maid.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:05 No.7834941

    Most fun I've ever had for the effort put forth..
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:10 No.7835001

    Despite the name, you ould just as easily play a butler.

    Back on topic, Any Exalted players ever play rogue Abyssals as less Edward Cullen and more roving motherfuckers that just ruin everything they encounter?

    I wanted to do something with a Sail-oriented Dusk Caste and his zombie Viking fleet to that effect.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:11 No.7835012
    Yeah but, ehhh. Just not doing anything for me.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:14 No.7835039

    I.. guess? that works. You can avoid getting Resonance but turning traitor on your Deathlord is usually a dumb idea unless you can get support from another one or a being of equal power. It's just not worth it in most cases.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:17 No.7835075

    >It's just not worth it in most cases.

    You act like this is some kind of optimization discussion.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:18 No.7835078

    Deathlords are anatomists in every other Exalt Splat, didn't see it as a big problem.

    Could be sidestepped with a 'wild' Abyssal shard. Perhaps one who's corresponding Monstrance was destroyed. Consequently, he never worked for a Deathlord.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)01:18 No.7835081
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    Yo. My Rogue Dusk was tearing shit up with a Daybreak. He'd make the shit, I'd blow the fuck out of it. I had friggin weapons out the wazoo. Ever actually get to use a soulbreaker orb? I did. Stuck two of them in the craw of some Realm general in a warstrider and laughed as he tried to get clear of his troops
    ha-ha- . . . good times, good times.
    Anyway, our ST said he punch us if tried any emo shit.
    All in all, Abyssals are fun, if you don't mope around.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:21 No.7835127

    Would *you* want to turn traitor on something as powerful as a Deathlord by yourself without any support? There are no illusions as to the relationship between liege and death knight, save for the ones who don't have Abyssal shards ( Princess, technically Dowager though that's more dicking around with her one token shard ) or are too fucking crazy to care ( Bishop, arguably Lover ). The rest play for fucking keeps.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:22 No.7835141

    This…is doing it right.

    It can work even in a mixed game without them being faggots. (ignoring the complications that arise from that.)

    "You want peace an prosperity in the West? It's simple, my glowy friends we kill all the Lintha."
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)01:24 No.7835164
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    Its not that hard. Some deathlords just dont care what you destroy, s long as somthin' is blowin' up. Our St didd it well, he had us both working for the Mask of Winters. And our 'rogueness' was just part of the plan. We had mental block that caused us to forget who exactly and what exactly we were. He was using us as Infernal/Sideral/Alchemical bait. By the time we figured out what was what, 'ol Mask decided to let us do our thing as it would be more annoying for him to kill us and loose our valuable experience. So we did the odd job for him and went on about our way breakin' shit.
    >> Bogweed 01/30/10(Sat)01:24 No.7835168
    Not so much a White Wolf fan, but I love me some unisystem
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:24 No.7835172

    Not as easy as you'd think seeing as you roll for Resonance every scene if anything remotely happens that displeases the Neverborn.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:28 No.7835210

    Its not that easy to gain resonance.

    And then there is always the "Fuck your shit Mask of Winters. I'll destroy creation myself!" and tell all the death lords to fuck off while sill serving oblivion.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:28 No.7835212

    That is you still technically working for the man thanks to his Just As Planned shenanigans. Some ( most ) people when talking about a rogue mean complete separation and independence without being some dupe for one of their master plans.

    Frankly I'd rather play a loyalist working with a mixed group. Even Deathlords need PR and this way you get the advantages of it. Some of them can be bros as well; Walker in Darkness for example.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:28 No.7835215
    Which is up to the ST to decide. Do you play with asshole STs?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:29 No.7835224

    The real question here is why are you serving the Mask? Could you get any more cliche and boring?
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)01:30 No.7835231
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    I haven't played one since, but I've been in several mixed games with one or two of 'em. Its just something the ST has to consider. It is possible for Deathknights to go rogue, easy even. The Deathlords are not all seeing. Powerful, yes, but not all pervasive.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:30 No.7835233

    A good point, didn't think of that.


    In my very brief Abyssals game, I had a Loyalist Midnight of Mask of Winters and a Day who belonged to Eye and Seven Despairs who ditched him to work for less of a loser.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:30 No.7835239

    No, it's apart of their mechanics. Same as any other Exalt going against their Virtues and gaining Limit. Do you not enforce such major parts of the game, both mechanically and fluff-wise, on your players when the moment arises?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:31 No.7835255
    Exalted is poopy-pants.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)01:32 No.7835268
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    >>Not as easy as you'd think seeing as you roll for Resonance every scene if anything remotely happens that displeases the Neverborn.

    So you ST shouldn't be a fucktard is what you're saying?

    Look, an abyssal has to DESTROY SHIT. In what game of Exalted does nothing get blowed teh fuck up?
    Answer: a bad one.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:32 No.7835270

    One might not be but when you have multiple Deathlords all in the same region with a billion xanatos gambits going on and you're caught in the crossfire because you don't want to play sides ( pft, like you have a choice.. ) then yeah not being loyal to anyone can suck major ass.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:34 No.7835286

    You're operating on some D&D mentality where you can be slaughter a dozen orphans then go donate to charity and not have your alignment shift. That is not how this works.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:34 No.7835294
    I love old school WOD. I was pretty big into VtM for a while there. I <3 Lasombra.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:35 No.7835298

    >an abyssal has to DESTROY SHIT.

    And Creation is full of shit that would make it better if destroyed. Murdering the shit out of Tyrants to make an example for their rulers to be kinder. A list of institutions longer than my arm. An Fair Folk, always Fair Folk, Abyssals even get charms that make that even easier.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:35 No.7835303


    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:36 No.7835315
    Like the Guild!


    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)01:36 No.7835322
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    Again if the ST is running a game where you test for Resonance/limit every scene he's doing it wrong.
    Or horribly, inhumanly right. Like some cthtulu stuff.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:36 No.7835327
    VtR ere, you no longer exist.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:37 No.7835334

    You aren't going to have horrible dictators or corrupt bureaucracies to murder every SCENE of every session. You either distance yourself and sit around doing nothing until it's fight time, making you That Guy, or you get involved and suck on that spoogy load of Resonance for doing shit besides killmaimburn.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:38 No.7835342

    I thought he referred more to the Abyssal's nature to destroy. That's how the Neverborn warped their Exaltations. They're made to end and ruin things, it's just instead of doing it wantonly or with a purpose of making things worse as intended, you try and buck the system by getting rid of things everone's better off without.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)01:41 No.7835374
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    >>You're operating on some D&D mentality where you can be slaughter a dozen orphans then go donate to charity and not have your alignment shift. That is not how this works.

    Um dude, have you played Exalted? You can do that. Heck, a Solar can do that. Even if he fails his compassion check he just grits his teeth, spends the willpower and cries later. AND THEY"RE THE GOOD GUYS.
    An abyssal doesn't even have to make the check for said orphans

    Pic related, my inspiration for said Abyssal, Revenant of Where Shadows Fear to Walk in Light of the Abyss
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)01:42 No.7835384

    The current band of writers think that playing Abyssals as anything other than soulless personality-less destroyers (who should also be weaker than solars in personal combat) is badwrongfun. Luckily we, as individual gamers, don't have to deal with that bullshit, and can houserule.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:43 No.7835389

    I actually don't think I've seen anyone ever mention this on /tg/
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:44 No.7835405
    They also can't defend shit.

    That guy who has the vital clue you need is being held hostage? You get Resonance for saving his life.

    Somebody swings a busklave at your defenseless (non-Abyssal) social character? You get Resonance for defending her.

    You pay respect to a powerful deity your party is negotiating with? Resonance.

    You develop a positive intimacy? Resonance.

    You fight a nephwrack/Abyssal/hekatokheire/etc.? Resonance.

    Basically, playing an Abyssal in a mixed party requires you to be in it to kill people it for the lulz and not afraid to abandon them all to die if need be. If you have any high-Compassion characters around, be prepared to sit out on 2/3 of their plans or gain Resonance.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)01:46 No.7835421

    Honestly the Resonance system is way too harsh.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:47 No.7835429
    >The current band of writers think that playing Abyssals as anything other than soulless personality-less destroyers (who should also be weaker than solars in personal combat) is badwrongfun.

    You are a fucktard.

    It's not that you shouldn't play them with personality or anything. It's that if an Abyssal tries to do good, evil *will* come of it. You don't play a heroic Abyssal to be an ass-kicking hero like the rest of them, you do it to play a supremely tragic hero, who keeps pressing on in the path of right even though it is a fact that he has almost no hope of succeeding, who sees his good works undone by his own hand in the most depressingly ironic ways. Because, if you stick with it, some day, that faith just might pay off and you'll redeem yourself in the Sun's eyes.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)01:48 No.7835439

    The Sun's an asshole. Why would you care about being redeemed in his eyes?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:48 No.7835440

    I've tried starting threads about them before, but I guess no one on /tg/ plays them. I've got all the books from a torrent, and they seem cool (even if Aberrant is a little too Watchmen-esque for my tastes).
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:49 No.7835444
    Because it's all you have left.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:49 No.7835445

    'cause asshole or not, it still beats being the bitch to a bunch of dead titans?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:49 No.7835446

    Better to reign in Creation then serve as a little bitch in the Underworld.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:49 No.7835450
    Nah, according to those writers the UCS is too busy with his drug habit to care. There can be no redemption because there's no redeemer .
    >> Kel Ragebrew 01/30/10(Sat)01:50 No.7835453
    I like oWoD mages more than the nWoD mages. They do not have Sons of Ether, thus are fail.

    I have dabbled in all the oWoD games, and found Orpheus to be my favorite game. Ghost storys that ghosts tell. Delicious.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:50 No.7835454
    Changeling: the Lost is my favorite game of all time, and Exalted is close behind.

    If they ever make an Exalted: Third Edition whose rules aren't a giant fucking trainwreck compounded by occasional books written by freelancers who don't understand the rules, it would be my favorite game by far.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)01:50 No.7835458

    The idea that you have to be forgiven by the UCS is questionable, considering that he has no control over his exaltations. Being forgiven by Autochthon or getting the Yozis to undo it seems like a better bet.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:51 No.7835463
    >the UCS is too busy with his drug habit to care.
    >has not read Games of Divinity.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)01:51 No.7835465

    Why not kick those dead Titans' asses, then make them *your* bitch?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:52 No.7835474

    iirc the 1e ritual for purifying an Abyssal shard was; Essence 5 Zenith and Twilight, Twilight must know Adamant Circle and a spell of that level only known to the Neverborn and Deathlords, and then Zenith must make some big prayer rolls while the Twilight hits the Abyssal with the spell. If it works said Abyssal becomes a chargen Solar of his or her mirroring caste.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:52 No.7835479
    That's... one of the end games for Abyssals that the authors have strongly suggested. Particularly the one who invented the 2e Resonance mechanic.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:53 No.7835480

    Ahahahahaha. Good luck.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:53 No.7835481
    Seems like the place to ask.

    Slashers, is it good?

    And New Wave Requiem. Speaking to someone normally ambivalent towards WoD and liking vampires the least. What are it's high points. Is it American Psycho with supernatural predators, and if not, can it be?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:54 No.7835495

    Glories: UCS also expands on him a lot and DotFA gives strong insights into WHY he's turned his back on his chosen. Guy is a real bro at heart.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)01:55 No.7835499
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    Even the Neverborn know one can not kill/maim/burn EVERY second of every day. As long as the Abyssals goal, and implementation is causing downfall, then he's good. Look as the Dowager of the Irreverent Vulgate in Unrent Veils, she's sitting around on her ass wondering why the contagion didn't work all the way.

    Heck, how bout teh Lover Clad in Raiment of Tears? She'd playing puppet master back in her Goth barbie play castle.
    Don't even get me started on Eye and Seven Despairs.

    And they're DEATHLORDS. Abyssals have to destroy things, thta can be the spirit of things of the actual thing it self, but you DON"T TEST FOR DISSONANCE EVERY SCENE, YOU DONT MAKE VIRTUE TESTS EVERY SCENE, and don't rock and roll every scene.

    if you want cannon, look at Typhon's write up, he's a fuckin ambassador for christ sake. He can't very well be maxing his dissonance every few days and hold that position.

    Don;t read so much into this stuff, you remind me of a former ST who thought switching Orichalcum weapons for Soulsteel ones was 'equal trade'. Fucker. I go from committing 8 motes to 16, deal less damage and now have fucking a screaming and wailing weapon?
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)01:55 No.7835501

    It's also been stated by the authors that this ritual doesn't exist anymore.

    The ironic thing is that the same people who complained about the Deathlords deprotagonizing Abyssals by having an ironclad killswitch on them are totally cool with deprotagonizing them in the favor of some dead titans who are only half-conscious and an impersonal force of destruction, who you can't trick or lie to.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:56 No.7835508
    I've read it, and I remember it establishing the notion that the UCS is too busy with the GoD to care about anything at all, something that was then confirmed by Glories of the Most High.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)01:56 No.7835510

    The resonance rules are not administered as heavily-handedly for NPCs in the setting as the rules imply, it seems.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)01:57 No.7835522

    No, as per Neph Abyssals have only two end-games: Destroy everything, or become Solars. If they kick the crap out of the Neverborn, it's as a prelude to one of those two things.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:59 No.7835538
    GotMH affirms the UCS's problems with the GoD, and the writers in question had nothing to do with DotFA, which is no doubt why they bitch about it so much.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)01:59 No.7835542
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    Me thinks you haven't read your book.
    >> MR. RAGE !D9l9S8Lio6 01/30/10(Sat)01:59 No.7835543


    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:01 No.7835555

    UCS can actually willingly ignore one of his Virtues without fail, with all the benefits and drawbacks associated with that.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:01 No.7835556

    It's pretty heavily implied from the description that he's tossed away his wreath somewhere.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:02 No.7835565
    The only really annoying ones on there are defending life and positive intimacies. Both of which are fairly easy to avoid as long as you don't explicitly set out to play hero.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:03 No.7835576

    Being in any group you are bound to pick up some positive intimacies for other PCs. That or you can be a complete asshole the whole time forcing them to form negative intimacies, which will only bite you in the ass later.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:04 No.7835585

    I’m in a Scion game that has about
     215 XP.  We’re Demigod’s now, an
    d holy shit.  The amount of dice 
    you roll blow’s Exalted out of the

    Damage calculation is quicker, but
     it has so many problems。
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:05 No.7835596
    Thats the reason WHY he's too busy, it doesn't mean he ISN'T too busy. Yes, if there weren't other things going on, then maybe his absolute Temperance would allow him to overcome his addiction. Maybe. But they are and he hasn't, so it's a moot point. There's no redeemer, so there can be no redemption.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:06 No.7835602
    True, the intimacies to your group would be the one really problematic part. Still not *that* hard to work past by easing into it (which you'll probably have to do anyway once they see your bleeding caste mark and fangs) and a few nights of self-flagellation for the Neverborn.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)02:06 No.7835603
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    Neph can suck my ass 'cause hes a freelancer. The end is whatever the ST want the end to be.
    Its more or less up to the ST what a "Transgression against the Neverborn" is. In a Solar game with Abyssal NPC's, fine roll 'em every few second far as I care. In a game with Abyssal PC's, don;t be a jerkwad.

    My ST handled it as thus: If we went out of our way to help something grow, or rescued a kitten, whatever, we rolled for resonance. We helped a god out by growing his cult once, we rolled. I went out of my way to grab a kid out of a fire as I was running by, I rolled.

    Things like that.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:06 No.7835605

    Pft, you act like a dedicated enough Solar wouldn't eventually find a way to do it himself.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:07 No.7835618

    The big thing for me is that the authors are going out of their way to quash down on the 'protector of the dead' idea as outlined in the storytelling section of the Abyssals book, which i guess they just want to disappear. They've gone out and said that if you want to play that kind of character, that's what Solars are for. I think that's absolutely retarded, and that it seems really, really odd that Infernals have so many options but Abyssals are actively being limited.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:08 No.7835627

    It's bad because you have to deal with all of that shit ON TOP Of the normal ways other Exalts get limit; resisting UMI, denying your Virtues, etc.
    >> MR. RAGE !D9l9S8Lio6 01/30/10(Sat)02:08 No.7835639



    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:09 No.7835642

    They can do that sorta but yeah.

    Does not help that their charm sets are nothing but Killrapedeathmurderdestroy. Even the social ones.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:09 No.7835644

    Well, he's also the dude who wrote most of the Abyssals 2e material.

    However, I think his ideas are more than a little reprehensible and have bad consequences for the line. I can ignore them in the games I run as much as I want, which is great, but I want to get my opinion out there.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:10 No.7835652

    To be fair the perfect social parry which tases people for attempting to bother you is awesome.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:10 No.7835657

    "Think you're a real smart guy huh? Well guess what, resonance just killed your dog. Blow me."
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:10 No.7835659

    Have to agree somewhat. It's less Abyssals and more the changes done to the Underworld it's self. I liked it better when it was it's goofy Tim Burtonesque land of the dead.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:10 No.7835660
    I do agree with you there. I generally prefer Abyssals finding some way to fit into a Third Age, whether by ruling the Underworld or by being super best buddies with the Sidereals of Endings as avatars of Oblivion.

    Ironically, I have about the same problem with Infernals as you do with Abyssals. The way the charms limit you just kill 95% of my character concepts for them. It's like, if you don't want to play an angry guy who hates himself, a social darwinist who likes the desert, an OCD scientist, a bipolar kid with ADD, or captain douchebag, don't bother making an Infernal.
    >> MR. RAGE !D9l9S8Lio6 01/30/10(Sat)02:11 No.7835671
    >Even the social ones.

    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:11 No.7835672
    I'm not so sure of that. If you find a Zenith, he can intercede on your behalf, which stops the disease until he withdraws his protection.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:13 No.7835689

    Endings are not about Oblivion. Their Bureau is not about Oblivion. Gods of Death are not about Oblivion. For all intents and purposes Oblivion is an anomaly, as Creation has been written and intended to run on a system purely of reincarnation and reuse. The two being 'best buds' is not likely to ever happen, no matter how much yaoi MUran draws of those two canonicals.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:14 No.7835698

    Well, you're limited in what powers you have, and a lot of Infernal charms influence how your character behaves, but there's nothing stopping you from, I don't know, being a general good hero and rocking around in a circle of like-minded Exalts saving creation.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:14 No.7835700

    It happens without a Zenith is what he is getting at.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)02:16 No.7835719
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    >>The only really annoying ones on there are defending life and positive intimacies. Both of which are fairly easy to avoid as long as you don't explicitly set out to play hero.

    This guy gets it.

    Why can't you?
    Easy, don't defend life(dont save the puppies on you way out)

    Dont use your name (easy, you have a kick ass title)

    Dont pray (to anything other than the neverborn)

    Dont gain intimacies to things the the neverborn dont like. (waaaa, the neverborn dont like it!)

    All in all you are reading to much into one THAT ONE fucking line.

    "In practice, Abyssals who refuse to play the part of dutiful world-killing weapons will probably gain some Resonance each scene, while those who embrace their purpose accumulate points only occasionally"

    Congrats, some idiot at WW found some prose and you found it.

    Boiled down: if you try to be a hero as an abyssal, you're fucked.
    So dont be a hero. destroy thing, just choose what you destroy and when.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:16 No.7835721
    I like to think that Endings could find some uses for destroying things utterly. Their Maiden certainly seems to lean toward it.

    Somewhat true. I just find that their charmset is so entrenched in its thematics that none of my concepts work for it. I can go "I want to make a really charismatic trader" for any other exalt type. For Infernals, it has to be "I want to make a really charismatic trader who grants people their wishes and is made of sand and makes people worship him."
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:17 No.7835727
    It CAN happen without a Zenith, that doesn't mean it DOES. Give a canonical example of the UCS actually forgiving people post-Usurpation.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:18 No.7835736

    Infernals are drastically less influenced by their charmsets and Urges then Abyssals are their's. Comparatively, the leash is much longer, if not practically nonexistent. Plus you can always make custom charms ( and your patron Yozis might encourage you to do so ) and Urges are easily dealt with compared to Resonance or even regular Limit Breaks. Oddly enough, Infernals can make unlikely heroes. You just have to be aware that their ideals and vision are ultimately not the best for Creation and at the end of the day you are still a punch-clock villain, at least to the rest of the world. Abyssals might be doomed to destroy everything great they try to make, Infernals are doomed to have it become a warped parody or see it smashed by their masters in the end.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:18 No.7835739

    I should have pointed out that I have *some* of the same problems with Lunars, since I have to tack '... and is also an aardvark' or whatever onto the concepts. But that's somewhat ameliorated by turning into a giant acid-spitting scorpion.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:18 No.7835741
    You know, existence in Exalted can still suck even after you die. In a mixed party, while everyone else is off helping the survivors after some disaster prevented/possibly provoked by the circle or their presence an Abyssal can look after the dead without committing a Sin of Life. Burning offerings for the departed so they don't show up in the Underworld with absolutely nothing, and helping to keep them happy and less likely to come back as hungry ghosts.

    Also, everyone's had a relative die, a means of possibly sidestepping a sin of life by forming intimacies with the remaining party.

    "Him? Yeah, he's a dick. But his departed grandad's cool and he asked me to watch his back."
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:19 No.7835748

    Don't forget Flawed Virtues, which are ABUSABLE BY OTHER CHARACTERS, as well as the Abyssal surprise negation charm which gives you resonance. If someone hits you with a couple flurries of unexpected attacks, you'll have a resonance eruption. So the actions of *other* characters can give you resonance, which is absolutely retarded. It also gimps Abyssals with respect to surprise attacks compared to Solars, which is retarded.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:19 No.7835751

    Going to start citing pages now are we?
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)02:20 No.7835752
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    Sorry. the other dude's pissing me off with his stupidity
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:20 No.7835766
    Not to mention that without the Deathlords around (and maybe paving over Oblivion), living as a ghost would basically be eternal life with a few strings attached. Or, at least, until you decided to hit Lethe for a change of pace.
    >> MR. RAGE !D9l9S8Lio6 01/30/10(Sat)02:21 No.7835767
    >"Him? Yeah, he's a dick. But his departed grandad's cool and he asked me to watch his back."

    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)02:22 No.7835776
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    Im not trying to say its better, or even equal to be an abyssal, its just not as bad as some people seem to think.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:22 No.7835777
    One thing that I think should be pointed out is that Resonance eruptions aren't nearly as bad for the Abyssal as Limit is for other exalt types. It's always bad for you, yes, but sometimes it really is just "Oh, well, that cat you always pet just died horribly."
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:23 No.7835783

    ? The only one who can't be a Charismatic Leader type is anyone using Ebon Dragon charms, and only because that one charm gives you a penalty to all social related stuff when not using Manipulation.
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    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)02:25 No.7835810
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    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:25 No.7835813

    Essentially, I think Abyssals need a third theme which is something like 'eternal stasis and stagnation.' That's what the Underworld is about; in order for ghosts to hang on to existence as their connections with Creation fade, they have to commit to a series of ritualized actions to keep themselves coherent, cyclical rituals over and over again. They don't want any part in the ALL CONSUMING VOID or the blender that is Lethe, both these paths lead to 'oblivion' in one way or another. For Abyssals, the endless rhythm of the Underworld could be something they could hold onto, like a lifeline, to keep the Void from claiming their souls. Besides, the ghosts need someone to protect them from all those nephwracks and Deathlords.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:26 No.7835816
    But you can't just be a charismatic leader and have your charmset support it. You have to outright demand your subjects' authority and give them explicit orders, make them into a desert cult, make them into soulless zombies, or be their creepy obsessive stalker buddy if you want to use your charms in doing so.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:26 No.7835823

    Other times the Neverborn possess you. And that's really, really fucking bad. Worse than, say, having your leg wither and rot off.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:26 No.7835824
    I wasn't planning on citing anything, I was asking the other party (you?) to give an example. By the way, people who confront the UCS in person, taking advantage of his perfect Compassion, don't count. An Abyssal trying that would have a Resonance Eruption in front of the UCS.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:27 No.7835832
    Hmm. So essentially making Abyssals the antithesis of Lunars (from what we saw in Glories of Luna drawing the Wyld in to keep Creation fresh)?
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:27 No.7835840

    I'm sure you can work one of the yozi excellencies into doing what you want. Failing that, just rationalize it as the most expedient path via the SWLIHN excellency.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:27 No.7835842

    This actually happened to a Rogue Abyssal I run.

    Cute kitty one minute, feline grenade the next.

    Poor kitty, he didn't deserve the Neverborn's wrath.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)02:27 No.7835843
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    huh, i seem to have run out of deathknightable stuff in my exalted folder. I must find more.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:29 No.7835859

    Which makes sense, since the Void is basically the exact opposite of the Wyld. It's not like Lunars want everything to be Pure Chaos; the Abyssals shouldn't want everything to be Void either.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:30 No.7835869

    I always imagined that animals or people who died from that Resonance eruption had heart attacks or died from inexplicable diseases. It just instagibbing them instead is a hilarious idea. Probably depends on which Neverborn you pissed off.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:30 No.7835875
    The Lunars don't serve the interests of the Wyld, the Abyssals do serve the interests of Oblivion. Analogy Fail!
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:31 No.7835888
    I like it.

    If a third edition were to come around, Abyssals are the ones I'd like to see get the most thematic reworking, yeah. Lunars closely follow, since they're still a little schizo (and some of the stuff they mentioned about Luna would make awesome additions to their charmset).
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:31 No.7835890

    There are Lunars who serve the interests of the Wyld. They're called Chimerae. There are Abyssals who serve the interests of the Void. They're called loyalists.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:32 No.7835898

    I always figured they'd make it painfully unambiguous what happened, and why. So the Abyssal and everyone nearby gets the message. That message being "THIS THING HAD TO *DIE* BECAUSE YOU LOVED IT!"
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:32 No.7835901

    I do have to say, I love the Lunar charm from Glories which lets them take Raksha and turn them into Graces. Hope that puts the fear of Luna into those soulsucking bastards.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:32 No.7835907
    Chimera don't serve the Wyld, they're just tainted by it.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:34 No.7835916

    It could work either way.

    "Hey, circlemate. Sorry your girlfriend died, but there was nothing we could do to save her, we were all the way across creation at the time. It's not your fault."

    And then the Abyssal cries. MAI WAIFU!!
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:34 No.7835929

    I dunno, I think the analogy works extremely well.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:36 No.7835940
    And gains no Resonance for it because now he's reaffirming a Intimacy to the dead rather than the living. Everything is better now!
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:37 No.7835957
    I now want to make an Abyssal who kills everything he loves so that he can enjoy it painlessly once it's a ghost.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:38 No.7835963

    I always saw Chimarism as a total devolution of the Luanrs mind, into just a predatory killing machine subsumed by the beast within.

    But that works too, a perhaps (semi0coherient Chimera with brief moments of lucidity used to advance the agenda of unknowable things beyond the Deep Wyld could work too.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:38 No.7835964
    owod storyteller here
    creating a oneshot technocracy thingy
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:39 No.7835982

    Well, remember that post-usurpation *all* Lunars are tainted by the Wyld, it's just that their tattoos prevent them from reaching the inevitable result of that corruption, a Chimera.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:40 No.7835984
    I'll admit the "Protection vs Destruction" part works, and I even agree that Abyssals need more to do than destroy stuff, but claiming that Lunars are about more than the Wyld means that Abyssal should be about more than Oblivion is a very weak argument.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:41 No.7835999
    That's a fairly vanilla Abyssal.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:41 No.7836007

    I've spent too much time in /a/, now it's got me thinking of Tsundere Abyssals who do everything to deny their feelings to prevent awful side effects, and Yandere Abyssals who destroy everyone they love as violently and painfully as possible as to help ensure they linger on as a ghost rather than pass on to the Lethe.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:44 No.7836036
    What about when I roll into town and book an entire inn for my ghost-harem, all of whom are social-fu'd so they don't get jealous of the others?
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:44 No.7836041

    Well, it's more that the I feel that the 'loyalist Abyssal' is essentially unplayable due to the fact that, as they align closer with Oblivion, they basically lose their personality. The other option that the current authorial team is willing to allow is to become a Solar. A splat is pretty terrible if the only worthwhile thing to do with it is to turn into another splat. So I think that there needs to be some 'guardian of the dead' or 'i am going to use my oblivion-granted powers to kill to destroy threats to creation' that don't devolve into one of the other two paths.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:44 No.7836042
    No, the predatory killing machine unable to control their animal impulses is a side effect of old age, not Chimeraism.
    I wouldn't say it's inevitable, just very likely. But, yes, tainted better describes all Lunars, Chimerae require a stronger word. They still don't serve the Wyld.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:45 No.7836047

    There's a necromancy spell that makes it so that a person is guaranteed to come back as a ghost. Makes things a lot easier.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:46 No.7836057

    Gee, I didn't know Rain Deathflyer, Tammuz, etc were unthinking predator beasts who's self-control only goes as far as t the next meal\fuck\resting period.

    You fucking idiot.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:47 No.7836062
    That's vanilla Exalted, just death-themed. Hence: vanilla Abyssal.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:48 No.7836073

    Chimerae are crazy, not exactly totally predatorial.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:48 No.7836082

    "We're here before you on behalf of every hopeless addict poisoned by the vices you pushed on them. On behalf of every slave bought and sold by you who was worked to death or murdered by their cruel masters, on behalf of every man, woman and child your mercenaries slew in the name of making a profit. And we are here in the name of every person murdered to advance your agendas or who died pathetically in poverty so that you could gain a little bit more.

    You have a lot of people to answer too, and much to answer for."

    Fuck yes, I'd play that.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:49 No.7836086

    Nor are stable Elders crazy. Age does not bring on animal-like behavior, it brings on the general level of hubris and crazy that over-exposure to Limit Breaking did\does to all older Exalts.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)02:49 No.7836087
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    that's it, slang for reducing resonance is now 'popping kitties'
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)02:50 No.7836102
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    What, where the hell did you find that?
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:50 No.7836106

    Yeah, that would be pretty cool.

    The other thing that seperates Abyssals from the other splats is that it seems like they're destined to serve something: Deathlords, the Neverborn, Oblivion. Perhaps they could ameliorate resonance by serving other creatures of death, like the Dual Monarchy or certain ghostly settlements or the Underworld as a whole? That would be pretty sweet.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:50 No.7836113
    I don't remember who Rain Deathflier is, but Tammuz isn't that old. I'm talking about the elders who are so old they can't interact with their peers anymore because they've gotten too territorial. You know, the ones the storytelling section says should only be used as NPCs?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:51 No.7836114

    I'm okay with this
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:54 No.7836137
    Rain rules Halta, and he's been alive since 20 years after the Usurpation. His buddy, who was old when he exalted, does it with him and is still more or less sane.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:55 No.7836152
    I am totally using this pic for my next Slayer, just so you know.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:55 No.7836153
    Two different people. I'm taking my argument from the storytelling section in the Lunar book where it says that PCs that reach the Elder stage should be retired and become NPCs because they become very territorial at that point and can no longer stand being together long enough to accomplish anything.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:55 No.7836156

    She's kind of a bitch though. She insists on spending alternate decades as opposite genders, and she knows her husband isn't into dudes. So she goes 10 year stretches without having sex with him. That's cold. Of course, it's not like they both aren't getting tons on the side, and that's kind of normal for Exalted, but still.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:55 No.7836157

    Tammuz predates the Usurption by a bit. I'd say that's 'old enough'. Not every Elder is going to be Raksi, Ma-Ha-Suchi or Lilith, who are the extreme examples given.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:56 No.7836167

    Eh, ymmv with groups so that advice is pretty useless.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:56 No.7836169

    I think you are just making up shit at this point.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:58 No.7836186
    But it's those extreme examples I'm talking about. None of those particular examples are fair, giving their rather tainted state. Leviathan is a better example: he's not Wyld-tainted, he just won't talk to anyone because he's too busy being a whale.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:58 No.7836188

    You realize the Storytelling section at the end of Lunars is for SUGGESTIONS and IDEAS on how to run a Lunars game, not hard canon, right..?
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)02:59 No.7836199

    I just did a text search on 'elder' in the Lunars storytelling section and didn't come up with anything like that. Maybe it was 1e Lunars (which everyone acknowledges was terrible).
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)02:59 No.7836200

    Because Leviathan is a terrible character who's bitter as fuck and jealously protects Luthe because he had the magic hots for it's super-queen. That doesn't constitute 'normal behavior for all older Lunars' any more then Raksi or Tammuz or Lilith.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:01 No.7836213
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    Tamuz ruled a territory for a hundred years in the Age or Dreams. That was in the first age. So he been around for the entirety of the realm and the Shogunate. that's what, a thousand years?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:01 No.7836220
    You can throw out the entire canon and make up your own fluff if you want to, but according to the fluff and themes that inform those suggestions, elder Lunars get very animalistic, almost to the point where they can't control themselves.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:02 No.7836221

    I always chalked it up to prolonged exposure to the Wyld doing nasty things with your mind sometimes. (*cough*RASKI!*cough*)
    As the Wyld is anything but Uniform, some got it worse than others, some not at all.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:03 No.7836236

    1,500 years. Read the fucking book.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:04 No.7836243
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    Raksi was young when teh usurpation happened, Tamuz was already leading an entire nation and had been in campaigns against the fair folk in "every direction". the three oldest Lunars are (in order) Leviathan, Tamuz, Ma-Ha Suchi
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:04 No.7836247

    It's not canon. It's plot hooks and ideas for the ST to play around with. Stop being such a damn tool about this.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:04 No.7836248

    Ummm... page reference? Tamuz seems to have his head screwed on pretty straight, so do Rain Deathflyer and Python. I think you're drawing more from 1e material, there was a conscious decision to move away from what you're describing. There are some elders who are whackjobs, just like every Exalted type, but it's not the default.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:05 No.7836258
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    So i forgot the exact length. SHADUP.
    That makes my point even better though.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:06 No.7836267

    Okay, that looks like a badass Alchemical.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:06 No.7836268

    That picture reminds me, anyone got any house rules they use for two-weapon fighting in 2e?

    As is, I find it a little…lacking.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:06 No.7836269
    Leviathan is the only untainted Lunar of the proper age we have, so it's hard to be sure whether he's a good representation of the normal aging process.
    Hold on, I'll take a look myself.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:07 No.7836279
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    Even in 1ed it was wyld exposure, not age that made lunars crazy. Older ones were more crazy cause' they had had more contact with the wyld.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:07 No.7836281

    If they are so territorial and unable to control themselves then why they fuck do they have Moots and regularly communicate between each other via Sorcery and other effects when they can't meet in person? Why would they entrust new, young Lunars to Elders for training if they go stir-fuck-crazy and cannot get a grip? You are drawing this from out of your ass. Stop it.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:09 No.7836294

    2e rules are fine. -1 penalty without a Merit or weapons designed to be used in a pair, nets you more Rate and allows you to mix-match weapon types, such as using a ( Moonsilver ) Baneclaw to parry with why you chop things with a Daiklaive or Grimcleaver or whatever.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:10 No.7836302
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    It gives you fuck tons of rate. What more do you need?
    With two weapon you can plink DV's down by 6+ easy. By essence five its completely sick.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:11 No.7836310

    Ah, that's my problem, somehow, I only got the downside. Not the benefits. I used it once with my first character with unsatisfactory results, haven't looked back since.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:12 No.7836316

    And rape your DVs in the process, and sack your dice pools. But yeah I guess it can work. Still better off using EA charms with one weapon so you don't rape yourself with attunement costs.
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    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:12 No.7836322
    I wasn't being a tool, just trying to answer two different but related posts with a single statement. Apparently I did a poor job. The point I was trying to make was that the people who wrote the storyteller section were (hopefully) talking to the fluff people, and therefore know about stuff that didn't make it into the book for some reason but was still shaping what was included. There's nothing wrong with ignoring it, but when discussing stuff with people you don't play with you can't include changes you make and claim they're canon.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:13 No.7836326

    Use an artifact weapon in your main hand and then a GSS or Wood Dragon's Claw in your off hand, so you have a high damage output weapon and a high defense weapon to parry with.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:13 No.7836327

    I'll have to try it next time, with more Melee Essence Flow ASAP and "ORAORAORAORA!"

    Note to Self: Jotaro Kujo as a Solar? Must investigate further…
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:14 No.7836332
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    True there are drawbacks, but by then I would hope you have some way of refreshing your PDV. Or just a really really high one.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:14 No.7836333

    There's still nothing that makes eldar Lunars get animalistic and hate each other. Well, they're animalistic in the sense that they can turn into animals, but...
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:15 No.7836345
    I'm not pulling it out of my ass, I know I read it somewhere. It's quite possible that it's something from 1e that got left out, which is why I'm about to check.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:16 No.7836362

    Speaking of bad ass Alchemicals. Anyone got plans for a game as soon as the book's out?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:16 No.7836365

    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:17 No.7836366
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    There's a merit in Scroll of teh Hero that eliminates teh off-hand penalty. Check with your ST to get it.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:18 No.7836384
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    take chill pill and just admit you were wrong about bug-nuts lunars.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:20 No.7836397

    It's understandable if it's a relic from 1e.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:20 No.7836400

    All Lunars are ambidextrous by default, right? I always wanted to make a nigh-unkillable Lunar warrior/bodyguard inspired by Manji of Blade of the Immortal.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:21 No.7836410

    I don't think so.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:21 No.7836412

    1e or not anyone stating the Storyteller section as their source for what is canon is an idiot. That whole part of the books is purely 'What If' and conjecture.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:22 No.7836420

    No, but they can buy the merit for dirt cheap. But why settle for just Ambidextrous when you can be Omnidexterous?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:22 No.7836426
    That wasn't me, that was someone responding to me.
    I found it, and it is in fact from 1e, pg. 241. My bad.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:23 No.7836431

    Because…because…goddamn, That's a good point.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:25 No.7836452
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    no they are not
    FUCK YEA, octopus lunar for the win,

    And octopus spider barrage becomes appropriately named
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:25 No.7836454

    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:26 No.7836463
    Well, fuck, that's all our problems solved.

    Still wish I could kidnap the writing team and run them through the kind of interrogation techniques you see in spy movies until they stop making Abyssals retarded.

    I kid. But I don't even like Abyssals (I'm a huge DB fan) and I think it's retarded.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:27 No.7836471
    You guys need to learn how to read. I never said it was canon, I said it was BASED OFF OF CANON. There are things we don't know because they never made it into the books, things that the people writing that section would know about and would therefore shape what they were writing. The particular bit I was drawing from was not presented as a "what if," it was presented as FACT. It's a moot point because it's from 1e.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:27 No.7836473
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    >> Blackheart !!FYEhWpAirtN 01/30/10(Sat)03:27 No.7836475
    nWod everything, Exalted fag here.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:28 No.7836483

    Ignore Abyssals, play more DBs. WW suffers from pandering to fans, unfortunately, while still wanting to make those splats ultimately near-irredeemable 'bad guys' for everyone to beat up on. Unlike the others it's not a matter of 'being misunderstood'. You really are a world slaying monster.

    They make good antagonists at least?
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:28 No.7836484

    That charm can get fucking scary if you have a good form. Squids are nice, they have 10 limbs.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:30 No.7836500

    In natural form perhaps ( oddly enough I think CotSM applies to tentacles... ) but in, say, DBT form you'd have to buy up the Extra Arms mutations which is 6-dots.. so you'll have all of one extra pair, ever.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:31 No.7836504

    I like DB too, but in order of interest it goes Lost Eggs, Lookshy, and with Dynists a distant third.

    Something about the Realm never jived with me. And I like that the Dragonblooded can bridge a gap between sorta more mortal-level affairs and still have legendary high points.

    My ideal game would be a dragon-blooded as a minor authority figure in some remote community and escalating to the point where shit gets sufficiently real.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:31 No.7836507
    I'm gonna blame the furfags on this one but CotSM plus a Huge Beastie form like Snow Lion, Tyrant Lizard, River Dragon, etc. with CotSM can get really fucking silly even at chargen. You start hitting as hard as a Warstrider with none of the drawbacks of a Warstrider.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:33 No.7836522

    Sounds like you're aiming kind of low. also lol Lost Eggs, what a horrible fucking chargen set up
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:33 No.7836523
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    Another DB fan? Here?
    Yes 2ed Db's are a little flat, but most people just cry about them not being able to keep up with celestial and their charms waaaaaaaa!

    In a DB game once with six people I fleshed out my character with another player and her character. We had charms that complimented each other, Oh-nos!
    The other players complained caus' we made a good team and were nigh untouchable in or out of combat .

    St said that the others should have followed our example. God i miss that ST. It was all happy in the end cause' he let everyone rework their characters to to synergize with the party.

    Dragon-Bloods: remember, if you are not comparing them to the power rangers, you're doing it wrong.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:33 No.7836524

    I agree, it's just that my last Exalted group fell apart 6 months ago, and I still keep up with the line, but online arguments about it are what's left to me.

    Starting with a new group now, but not for about a month.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:34 No.7836536

    It's called Threshing Floor Technique, bro. RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE.

    also CMA here, what was that about 'no PDs'?
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:35 No.7836554

    Elemental Vortex Attack is made of win. I still remember the first time I busted that out on my Celestial PCs.

    "What kind of penalty? This is bullshit!"

    They ended up running away and assassinating the DB in his sleep, but they were fucking frustrated.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:36 No.7836564

    >The other players complained caus' we made a good team and were nigh untouchable in or out of combat .

    Doing it wrong.


    Yeah, I'm aware of that.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:36 No.7836565
    That's my preference too. Lost Eggs come across as typical heroes, and are close enough to the common people to make interacting with them reasonable, while Lookshy lets you play with technomagic toys.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:36 No.7836569

    hahah, oh wow. I hope they never fight a group of Wood\Water aspects with Dragon-Graced & etc. That'd make them ragequit for sure.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:38 No.7836584
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    I suddenly feel the need to brofist you.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:38 No.7836588

    Dynasts aren't as unattainable as you are making them out to be, especially from Houses like Nellens or if the DB in question has poor standing with his family. They could also be a Monk.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:38 No.7836589

    I honestly really like the Realm. Yeah it's corrupt and probably gonna fall unless the PCs do something, but that just leaves room for awesome stories.

    "All right, who wants to be the next barbarian scum to be introduced to Pasiap?"
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:40 No.7836603
    Also, there's at least one applicability-trumping perfect in a CMA style, so DBs can get them. Which is awesome.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:42 No.7836624
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    you mean Dragon Vortex Attack?
    yea, I'm looking forward to setting the wyld hunt on my players.
    "wyld hunt?" pishshshshaaa "we're essence five, what can a wyld hunt do oi us?"

    muhahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!! They will learn, they will all learn!
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:43 No.7836633

    Yes. My bad.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:44 No.7836642

    Ever have a party of six PCs do that in a row on a Solar with Refining the Inner Blade on? When he counter-attacked we all Safety Among Enemies them into his two Circlemates and mortal followers.

    Was fucking priceless.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:44 No.7836653
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    I gotta give Dynists another try. I know they can be fun especially if you're good at intrigue and the like, a weakness of mine as an ST.

    The most fun in a game i've had was on the Blessed Isle. Ironicly as a Solar. He was a pushing-forty failed to Exalt Dynist Monk. Became a Zennith in the process of providing a righteous 'RIP AND TEAAAAAAAAAAAAAR' to a group of Yozi cultists he discovered. Trying to escape the realm without getting noticed and swarmed was awesome.

    (Pic related)
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:44 No.7836654
    Dynasts can have meaningful relationships with upper class mortals, but the lower classes get overlooked. I'm more looking for the Fire Aspect who's the local blacksmith, beloved by all even though he sleeps with their daughters three at a time because he fights off bandits and lifted that wagon off of Billy-Bob last week.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:46 No.7836664

    Also an awesome character.

    Damn. I really want to play. Grrr damn waiting.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:47 No.7836678

    That's what I'm talking about.

    The local teachers son, widely rumored to be the product of her fling with a visiting Dynist. Currently acting as Magistrate/Sheriff because "SOL'S BALLS DID YOU SEE WHAT HE DID TO THE LAST BANDIT LORD?!"
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:48 No.7836690
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    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:50 No.7836713

    Most of it was stacking poison from Wood plus our normal aspect effects. Got his enormous TPK-level dice pools down to normal levels, and then we made him KILL his Lunar mate and incap his Zenith circlemate with some goofy Grand Daiklaive of Conquest plot device the ST hatched up.

    Needless to say we ruined his shit. Fuck yea Wyld Hunt.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:51 No.7836725
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    there was a game quote for that
    "By the gods, he was bent in ways that man was not meant to bent in. If heaven had a law against human pretzels you'd be all covered in Sidereal right now. It looked like he had three arms!"
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:51 No.7836728
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:54 No.7836746
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    aaaaadn a rim shot please!

    Meanwhile back in the wyld, OH SHI-
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:54 No.7836748

    I made a 25 xp DB with an accuracy pool of 14 before excellencies and a damage of 27 (!). Hope you brought your PDs. Oh yeah, she knows Safety Among Enemies, so have fun.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)03:56 No.7836757
    Weird that /tg/ likes DB so much. Hmm. We like IG, or so i hear, we liked Quaritch...

    Maybe it's just hip to be square on /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:57 No.7836769

    > pic

    Tsk Tsk Tsk, Is that a CAD comic I see?
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)03:58 No.7836776

    Wouldn't IG be closer to Heroic Mortals in this Annalogy?

    Which are also fun.

    Summon Demon

    (Advice Sorceror)

    Pray it does not take offense.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)03:59 No.7836782
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    We're strange that way.
    Oh, and if you troll us, a real meaningful discussion comes of it.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)04:00 No.7836791
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    yea, I stopped reading when Buckly got all preachy and serious. I still have the DVD.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)04:00 No.7836793

    Become akuma.

    (advice sorceror)

    This will work out well.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)04:01 No.7836808
    The way I see it, awesome is kind of like ice cream. Ice cream is tasty, but if it's all you ever eat, it get's boring. Solars are always awesome, but without more mundane issues you can't really appreciate that awesome. DB, Guard, or any other more mundane faction can be awesome but isn't constantly so, allowing you to savor their moments of glory.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)04:02 No.7836809
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    But that applies to anything!
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)04:03 No.7836816
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    tg/ = deep contemplative stuff.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)04:04 No.7836828

    Cast Obsidian Butterflies on Exalt

    (Advice Sorceror)

    No way this won't work!
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)04:04 No.7836829
    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)04:06 No.7836840

    Before I saw the image name, I thought that was a female Lintha.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)04:06 No.7836842

    Kind of agree. To be honest, Solars are my least favorite Exalt type. It all just seems 'too easy' when you're a pretty golden glowing hero.

    Of course, I whine bitterly about how Abyssals have it too hard, which means my tolerance is probably pretty narrow. But DBs seem just about right.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)04:06 No.7836846
    Oh Death of Obsidian Butterflies, you look like you'd be useful, but you never are.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)04:07 No.7836852
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    I am


    Or am I?

    I am Schrodinger's sarcasm.
    >> ATHMASTER !!1tNaTIB4zqt 01/30/10(Sat)04:08 No.7836858
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    That why its in my Exalted folder.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)04:09 No.7836865

    I like Solars and I concede this point.
    >> Richard Motion 01/30/10(Sat)04:11 No.7836879

    But I guess the one good thing about Solars is that you can't count on your splat to provide character flaws for you, so you have to think about what's *wrong* with your character. Which I think is always a good exercise.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)04:15 No.7836902
    Solars are cool, but last year I ran a Solars-only game, and by the time they reached Essence 5 I had abandoned the rules and we were mostly free-forming it. The game ended on a sour note because after all the awesome stuff I couldn't give the climax the impact it needed.
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)04:24 No.7836977
    Currently in Exalted and Aberrant games, weekly. Along with RT/4e D&D. So some folks still play oWoD/Trinity at least
    >> Anonymous 01/30/10(Sat)04:49 No.7837206
    I'm currently playing a DB in a celestial game.
    I actually might not be overshadowed, just because I am, interestingly enough, the only with more than "bare minimum OH GOD DON'T KILL ME" combat charms.
    I mean, we have a dawn, but his combat suite is pretty much purely defensive, and he looks to be building towards the Leader type stuff.

    Kinda funny actually. But even if I am overshadowed, the game is fun. I've ended up as being the Dawn's Lancer, which I find is hilarious, since the other Celestials are useless the majority of the time.
    >> The Immaculate Doctrine 01/30/10(Sat)06:04 No.7837919
    I still want to make that DRAGONBLOODS ONLY setting a reality.

    I'm worried I'll have to go to rpgnet to get anything done though. Exalted threads almost always just drop right off the board without a lot of serious poking and prodding. No one wants to contribute anything.

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