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    230 KB Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:16 No.7756733  
    Redwall RPG
    Would it be possible? Or FUN?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:17 No.7756740
    every one would fall asleep as the dm tells them what they are eating.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:17 No.7756743
    google mouse guard rpg
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:17 No.7756747
    Possible, certainly
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:28 No.7756850
    Redwall RPG is everyone putting on aprons, and baking the most fucking delicious cake ever then eating it in the park
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:30 No.7756872
    While the Badger player dies fighting a wildcat. No-one wants to play the Badger.

    Also use Mouse Guard.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:31 No.7756882
    I was once a PC in a d20 Redwall campaign.

    We played vermin pirates. We looted and pillaged, ran away screaming from Bloodwrathing badgers with the stats of dragons, I tortured a hare with a buttered scone and we managed to party wipe right before we started the assault on the Abbey.

    Shit was so cash.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:32 No.7756888
    I'm gonna play as a Bear.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:32 No.7756897
    But do i get to play as a badger? NO!
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:32 No.7756900

    Why wouldn't you want to play the badger? The badgers are always badass.
    >> Vulcan on Laughing Gas !TQadqXRtkw 01/24/10(Sun)15:32 No.7756903
    I fail to see how this is a bad thing. Delicious cake is, well, delicious.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:33 No.7756908
    They all die while everyone else has a delicious feast.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:33 No.7756915

    Level adjusted as fuck.

    Gargantuan size, + 12 str, a racial rage ability.

    Fuck damn.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:34 No.7756919
    Use Mouse Guard, stat a few of the other animals, succeed at life.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:34 No.7756928
    Don't forget the wealth modifications and the free leadership feat at x5 level with hares. And the ancestral mountain they inherit at level 10.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:35 No.7756934

    Who cares? You die in the most badass fashion imaginable.

    Also, remember, going blind or becoming a pacifist are acceptable substitutes for dying.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:35 No.7756936
    Most likely it would degenerate into furfaggotry within 2-3 sessions.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:36 No.7756940
    Consider a standard python is pretty much revered the same way as a dragon is in Redwall, a bear would pretty much be OH GOD RAGNAROK IS HERE

    Also: Mouseguard.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:37 No.7756962
    They've had wolves and horses, and foxes were antagonists.

    A bear would be dialling it up to 11, but there is some size distortion.

    I'd prefer to play an otter, a hare (in a non-Badger Mountain game) or a mole. They hardly ever die.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:39 No.7756973
    Quoted for truth.

    Half of the fun of the Redwall books was the delicious fucking food that Brian Jacques described so exquisitely.

    I mean, fuck, a loaf of warm, recently baked chestnut-sprinkled bread the size of a van?

    DO WANT.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:39 No.7756975

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:39 No.7756979
    Exactly. I'd play as a bear and I'd make the smaller creatures pay homage to me. I'd have Paladins and Clerics and worshipers and little rodent nations built for me. And then I'd wreak Holy Ursine Ruin upon the heathens.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:39 No.7756981
    >anthropomorphic animals
    >would degenerate into furfaggotry

    Underage b& detected. Please go kill yourself.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:40 No.7756993
    You would get killed by whoever rolled lucky and got to play the reincarnation of Martin the Warrior this game.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:40 No.7756995
    Wolves are almost always the BBEGs.

    The horse was pulling a gigantic fucking cart full of vermin along. It was basically Deus Ex Machina. Anything that size is.

    I suppose that these foxes are intended to be small, weedy one but even then, they do seem to be by far the most powerful type of vermin.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:42 No.7757016
    Was there a wolf BBEG? I only ever established them in relation to the foxes.

    Also, I see your 'foxes are the most powerful vermin' and raise you the wildcat dude, who was fucking boss.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:43 No.7757032
    well most of the basic enemies are rats and ferrets.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:44 No.7757038
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    Redwall > anything I could think of as DM for DnD

    Me and my brother are thinking of homebrewing it, but it would take ages.
    Do you know how many different animals are in all the books? (discounting the SINGLE horse in Redwall)
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:44 No.7757041
    Unless I make him my avatar. Martin the Bear Scion Warrior.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:44 No.7757043
    Wildcats aren't really classified as vermin.

    Hell, if you read the "Brocktree" book, you'd understand that the wildcats are basically like the Mafia of Mossflower, powerful, criminal masterminds who came from overseas.

    They were almost all BBEGs or plot devices, while foxes are still pretty common cannon fodder.

    They still seem to be the most powerful standard vermin, though.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:44 No.7757044

    I misread this as

    >Holy Ursine Urine

    At first.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:45 No.7757057

    Moles don't die. Neither do hedgehogs generally. Hares and otters cop it occasionally. Squirrels and mice die regularly and god help you if you're a shrew.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:46 No.7757068
    Yes, there was a wolf BB-- actually, no, there wasn't.

    There was that crazy artic fox who wore the skull of a wolf that he defeated.

    Of course, then a mad sea otter grappled with him, got a mortal wound and in his rage, proceeded to smash his fists on the skull, sinking its teeth into the fox's brains, killing the BBEG.

    There is only one way to describe the deaths of BBEGs in the Redwall series.

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:48 No.7757093
    There are a handful of hedgehog bruisers, but they almost always go out with a bang and are usually plot devices.

    Moles are just too jovial and too damn country to die.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:49 No.7757102
    You need to get the thinly veiled racism sourcebook to really get the game going.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:49 No.7757109
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:50 No.7757116
    He didn't actually defeat it, he just found a starving wolf.

    Yes, that is the book with the wildcat I'm talking about. I didn't realise you meant standard enemies, in that case I'll grant foxes are the toughest. The wildcat seems to have been the strongest enemy antagonist so far, though, although I won't have read the more recent ones.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:50 No.7757126
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    without googling it, what does GUOSIM stand for?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:51 No.7757141

    Guerilla union of shrews in mossflower. easy
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:51 No.7757149
    Actually, there was also that incredibly badass ferret assassin. Ferrets and stoats can actually pull out the awesome.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:52 No.7757157
    You're all forgetting about herons. Oh god the nightmares.

    Birds are seriously fucking scary. Even the damn Sparrows.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:53 No.7757166
    The eagle is just like god mighty.

    He was a weasel.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:54 No.7757197
    God King Bear fears no shitty heron. Bring it on.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:55 No.7757206
    I think I might try this, I has idea.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:56 No.7757224

    Yeah there was some huge ass eagle living on top of some mountain named King McGraw (I think). And Crows are like Zubats except in the forests.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)15:59 No.7757283
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:01 No.7757309
    The BBEGs:

    Brocktree: The most badass wildcat to have ever lived with so many vermin he could create miracles.
    The Legend of Luke: Totally fucking crazy searat.
    Martin the Warrior: A tyrannical stoat with delusions of grandeur
    Mossflower: A crazy bitch of a wildcat
    Outcast of Redwall: A sadistic and cunning ferret assassin, who was generally awesome
    Mariel of Redwall: A crazy fucking searat with the best warcry ever ("THE BELLS BELLS BELLS BELLS BELLS")
    Bellmaker: An artic fox who tricks entire legions into thinking he killed a wolf.
    Salamandastron: A weasel warlord who is pretty fucking cunning
    Mattimeo: Three BBEGs. The incredibly dickish Slagar the Cruel, the totally badass General Ironbeak or the brick-shittingly Lovecraftian Malkariss

    I could go on forever.

    Point is, in my opinion, Redwall has shit loads of memorable villains.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:02 No.7757318

    Guerrilla Union of Shrews in Mossflower.

    Or sometimes not in Mossflower.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:04 No.7757337
    In Redwall, birds are basically the demons of the sky.

    Stay. Away.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:04 No.7757348

    Unless they're the Sparrows.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:05 No.7757360
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:08 No.7757403
    The villains are the best part, really.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:08 No.7757412
    I would play a shrew because

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:11 No.7757443
    The best parts are:
    - The villains
    - The deaths of the villains (they're always incredibly gory for childrens' books)
    - That fucking food
    - Moles
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:11 No.7757448

    Fuck. I just nostalgia'd so hard I think I broke something.

    I read everything I could get my hands on about Redwall, into the darkness of nine, ten, even fucking 10:30pm!

    Being eight was awesome.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:11 No.7757450
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    My Character.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:11 No.7757454
    Question: What is the Abbey of Redwall for. Are they religious or is literally just a place to eat shit loads of food.

    Also are there towns, settlements apart from Redwall at all.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:12 No.7757466
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    Fuck your wildcats and foxes, this is pure evil right here.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:12 No.7757468
    They aren't religious, really. There are some other towns.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:13 No.7757476
    I think all the roles are original (to an extent, "nothing is new under the sun" and all that)
    And all the badger lords are badass (from Lord Roussou to Lady Cegga Rose Eyes)

    One particular moment of pure awesome character death would have been that squirrel in Martin the Warrior who charged a fort single handed in suicide madness at night. In the morning he was found with a smile on his face and two score (about 40) dead vermins around his carcass.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:13 No.7757486
    The Abbey of Redwall was built to be a fortress and a bastion for everyone who wishes to live in peace, without being harassed by vermin that wander the forests.

    The delicious fucking food is just the product of so many people of so many different tastes living there.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:13 No.7757488

    It's called an Abbey because it's supposed to be like a Castle but peaceful.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:14 No.7757490

    It's a place to bake and eat
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:15 No.7757507
    Oh god, I remember being ten. I had recently got Mattimeo.

    Finished it in a six hour sitting, fell asleep at two in the morning, had nightmares about Malkariss.

    Was awesome, bro.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:15 No.7757516
    Hares and Otters are my favorite, they are like SAS and just crazy ww2 British troops in general. Long patrol was always my favorite just because I always loved hares.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)16:16 No.7757523

    Redwall are refuges from Loamhedge. They're an abbey who take care of others and generally live cool syles and keep a sacred sword. as for larger commhnities, Salamastradon wherever the GUOSIM are currently.

    Also, if any of you cunts mention furries in this thread, I will castrate the living fuck out of you.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:17 No.7757534

    Fucking RedWall.

    No tits, racial implications of evil.

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:17 No.7757541
    holy shit. redwall on 4chan, you have blown my mind /tg/

    mm, what was the catchphrase of that heron again?

    I AM THE LAW....i swear it was something like that
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:18 No.7757548
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    Best use of Exotic Weapon Proficiency ever.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:18 No.7757551

    oh god shrews would have to have some sort of racial frenzy ability and a fearless trait.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:19 No.7757560
    >Also, if any of you cunts mention furries in this thread, I will castrate the living fuck out of you.

    Please see >>7756936
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)16:19 No.7757572

    Shrews should be stronger when next to each other, or in some sort of horde.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:20 No.7757582

    I found this. WHY AM I SO HUNGRY!!
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:20 No.7757583
    I feel like most of the races in redwall had fearless traits, it was pretty ridiculous how brave everything was.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:20 No.7757589
    Badasses of note:

    Martin: Nothing needs to be said here. He was especially awesome in his own book.
    Matthias: Martin V2. This guy was awesome.
    Finnbarr Galedeep: Crazy seaotter who killed the fox BBEG with his own wolf skull helmet.
    Rakkety Tam: Highlander squirrel mercenary? Yes.
    Taggerung: Crazy warrior mystic otter.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:21 No.7757595

    I just remember people shitting their pants that a preteen was reading a book thicker than his wrist
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:21 No.7757604

    thing is shrews were fearless because they were a particularily brave people

    they were just fucking crazy
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:21 No.7757608

    Don't forget the chaps and chapesses of the Long Patrol, wot.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:22 No.7757613

    *werent fearless
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:22 No.7757616

    You're forgetting that one Squirrel that managed to get bloodwrath from Martin the Warrior.

    Fuck, can't recall the name.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)16:22 No.7757618
    I love Matthias, I used that name for everything for the longest time.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:22 No.7757622
    oh god taggerung, one of my favorites and one of the last ones I read
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:23 No.7757625
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    >>7757534 FFFFFFFFFFurries.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:24 No.7757638
    Either Rakkety Tam or Triss, I believe.

    Those were the only remotely important squirrels ever.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:24 No.7757644

    Oh god, and how Lord Stonepaw died. (Old dude in Lord Brocktree):
    Grabbed a load of rats and dived into a fathomless pool so to drown them all.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:25 No.7757654
    Ohh god.. what was the long patrols battle cry?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:26 No.7757676

    Wrong. It's Felldoh. Rakkety Tam and Triss were both title characters of their own books, how could they be in Martin the Warrior?

    Also, how can you say those were the only important squirrels when like 75% of Marlfox was squirrels?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:26 No.7757679
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    So can the Mouse Guard RPG be adapted to this?
    You guys have convinced me to add this series to my list of things that must be read.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:27 No.7757690

    ...i lolled but at least i regret it
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:27 No.7757692

    Arven, you mean. The only warrior to lay down the sword and become the Abbot.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:27 No.7757693

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:28 No.7757710

    No, not fucking Arven. He's from Marlfox.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:30 No.7757741
    I think so. All you have to do is substitute Mouse Nature for whatever species you are, and refluff the setting and character creation.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:31 No.7757757
    By Martin the Warrior, I thought you meant the character and I thought you meant Arven/Triss/Tam as the individuals who were "possessed" by Martin.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:31 No.7757764

    Motherfucker yes


    Redwall was so fucking hardcore
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:31 No.7757765
    Any got a link for a mouseguard pdf download?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:33 No.7757791

    Ah. Oh well.

    Also, you're all forgetting about Ranguvar from The Legend of Luke.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)16:34 No.7757808

    Oddly, I always pronounced it kind of like a yodel.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:35 No.7757818
    brb Borrowing every Redwall book from my library. So good girl.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:35 No.7757820


    All the 8.9Mb ones are legit.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:37 No.7757851
    Mouseguard is one of those RPG's that's worth getting the book. It's square, built like a tank, and has loads of big glossy images. The system itself is pretty simple.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:38 No.7757855
    Oh god I remember this, I think I cried when Rose died.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:38 No.7757861
    Checked 'em all. None of the links are valid anymore.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:38 No.7757864

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:39 No.7757874
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    so good girl?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:40 No.7757888
    >High Rhulain (2005)
    >Eulalia! (2007)
    >Doomwyte (2008)

    God damn. I'm like 3 books behind.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:40 No.7757891

    Alright; uploading to megaupload.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:40 No.7757892
    Yeah.. don't suppose anyone will put a new one up? Really wanna try and do it this tuesday
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:41 No.7757898
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    I think I still have it on my harddrive.
    Gimme a second so I can check.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:42 No.7757910

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:42 No.7757913
    You're a good Anon, sir.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:43 No.7757929
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    Aw shit, I did delete it.
    Thanks man, I appreciate it.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:44 No.7757942
    God, I remember reading these back before I knew what furries were. Before I knew what the INTERNET was.

    Good times, man. Too bad my group would never touch a Redwall campaign.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:45 No.7757949
    You're all welcome. If you like it, buy the book. It's an awesome setting with pretty solid mechanics, and amazon.co.uk has it for a measly £12.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:46 No.7757972
    Fuck Mouseguard.

    Iron Heroes.
    >> Leman Russ 01/24/10(Sun)16:47 No.7757985
    Is there possibly a world map to be had?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:48 No.7757991

    For Redwall? Open any given book. It's right at the beginning.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:48 No.7757992
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    Fuck Iron Heroes.

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:48 No.7757996
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    >Search Amazon.com for Mouse Guard RPG
    >Get Rogue Trader instead
    Huh, that's odd.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:49 No.7758007
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:50 No.7758015
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:51 No.7758034
    Each book comes with a map of the areas of importance.
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    Well, thanks man.
    Now I'm going to start up a space vermin campaign.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)16:53 No.7758076
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:54 No.7758092
    I used to have this poster-sized Mossflower map that came with a Redwall puzzle book. Crap, now I have to clean my room and look.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:54 No.7758095

    >RedwallHammer 40k
    >Martin sits upon the golden throne
    >The Heroes are the Primarchs
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:55 No.7758111
    That one searat who was basically george from Of Mice and Men and ended up becoming a caretaker and friend to the Dibbuns was a bro and a half. Blaggart, I believe?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:56 No.7758118

    Oh hey, I have that puzzle book.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:56 No.7758123
    Current mod project lineup for the new DF release:

    * Redwall
    * Skaven
    * Wasteland scavenger thing.

    I expect to spend a fortnight on the food raws.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:56 No.7758125
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    So, how do I convert everything to vermin without being furry?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:56 No.7758134

    It's only £2. Get this and Mouse Guard, and you've got a campaign.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)16:57 No.7758138

    Follow books. Anyone who had a childhood will not mention furry. If they do, kick them out of house.
    >> Space Thor !bwkR4jXhwk 01/24/10(Sun)16:57 No.7758142
    don't give them genitalia of any kind and don't make them anthropomorphic. they should basically look like bipedal rats in armor, not humans with fur and whiskers.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:57 No.7758150
    >Suffer not the Vermin
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)16:57 No.7758152
    Oh yea, the pair of them, and he killed his officer who was going to harm the babies. Man I D'awwww at that.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:58 No.7758172
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    Oh and is it possible to mix Redwall AND Mouse Guard?
    Or would the fluff be too wonky.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)16:58 No.7758173
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)16:58 No.7758175
    Planets die while the High Lords of Redwall bake pastries from the tithes of countless starsystems.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)16:59 No.7758196
    If Redwall was Terra, would Salamastradon be Mars since they forge stuff, like Martin's sword?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:00 No.7758200
    In a redwall dnd campaign would moles be like drow?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:00 No.7758202
    Elite power-armoured Badger soldiers form the spearhead of the Abberium in chapters of a thousand marines.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:02 No.7758242
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    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)17:02 No.7758246

    Moles are not evil.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:02 No.7758249
    Tech-hares babble back and forth to each other in Cockney slang no one else understands while they maintain the Imperium of Critters weaponry.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:02 No.7758250

    The Lord-God-Badger in his golden mountain throne!
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:03 No.7758261
    Martin is the Emperor. The Badger Mountain takes the place of the Grey Knights sanctuary on the moon.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:04 No.7758276
    While I enjoy Redwall, this idea of combining 40K and Redwall is shit.

    Stop it.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:05 No.7758287

    This, seriously. Not everything needs an injection of shitty late-ninties scifi.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:05 No.7758298
    In the Imperium of Critters 40k each book villain has their own Chaos Legion.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:06 No.7758309

    Mouse Guard is more low-key, but it would probably work. A lot less wars, though.

    I was working on a Mouse Guard: 1229 setting which would have been set during the viking rats' raids on the Territories, specifically to turn the warfare up a little, but I got distracted by jobsearch. I'll likely write it up in a few months once I have a job. :(
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:06 No.7758323
    Lighten up, we're just having fun now. We've already established that a straight-up Redwall RPG would be badass.
    >> Leman Russ 01/24/10(Sun)17:06 No.7758324
    Obviously Redwall 40k is Noblebright, as no Primarch of Martin would ever dream of betraying his name.

    So, from whence does evil come?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:08 No.7758343
    naughty rats?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:11 No.7758405
    Fleas. Vermin have notoriously poor hygiene.

    Critters must remain vigilant and well-groomed.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:14 No.7758457

    I don't think I've read one of these books since the '90's. Last one I read was Marlfox, I think...just checked, that one was published in 1998, seems about right. I recall that it wasn't all that good.

    If I go back and read the ones that have been published since then, am I in for wonderful nostalgia or horrible disappointment?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:18 No.7758521

    Marlfox was a dip in quality in the middle of the best phase of the series. The next two books after you stopped, Legend of Luke and Lord Brocktree, are imo the best books in the entire series.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:19 No.7758551
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    >Moles don't die.

    A mole dies in this. Several, actually. Also features an owl with clipped wings that goes vegetarian and lives in the Abbey, ignoring the tasty tasty mice. Because Redwall food is THAT DAMN AWESOME.

    Also features a Log a Log who's a complete dick.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:21 No.7758579
    That cartoon was AWESOME
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:21 No.7758584

    Is that a raven wearing a snake as a fucking hat

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:21 No.7758590
    Is that the same owl that went vegetarian after losing a bet with Matthias?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:22 No.7758602
    Red Wall is unrealistic. A Badger would fucking own EVERY SINGLE DAMN ANIMAL shown except for Owls.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:23 No.7758615
    which is why they pretty much always die under a massive press of lesser vermin...

    thousand cuts and all that...
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:23 No.7758631

    Lord Brocktree...

    This is the book that made me want to fucking make a Redwall RPG.

    Something about a Badger in armor with a greatsword.

    dunno why though.

    plus that fucking redwall kitchen sight is bookmarked forever.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:24 No.7758636
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    Admit it /tg/, you cried your eyes out at the end of this.

    Final stand ;_;
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:24 No.7758647
    I've watched a documentry on the Honey Badger on National Geographic. It fucking went into a wild-dog den, ate the cubs, and the parents just stood there out of fear. It also ate fuckhuge snakes and caused a Tau to back off.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:25 No.7758661

    Uhm... that's exactly what happens. The only single creature to be able to stand equally against a Badger in the series was Ungatt Trunn, a "wildcat" that appears to be a SMALL TIGER by all the relevant art.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:25 No.7758662
    There's a Wolverine in one.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:25 No.7758667

    No, this is a different one. Doomwyte takes place countless years after Redwall/Mattemeo.

    >A Badger would fucking own EVERY SINGLE DAMN ANIMAL shown

    They fucking DO. Badger Lord + Bloodwrath + vermin horde = tide of blood and gore
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:26 No.7758681
    >Something about a Badger in armor with a greatsword.

    I presume it's much the same thing that makes the panzerbjorn so fucking awesome.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:27 No.7758700
    Yeah, I imagined him as more of an african-type wildcat, i.e. something really fucking big, like the size of a big dog.

    Alternatively, he's meant to be from the North so maybe Bergmann's rule was taken to apply to traditional Scottish wildcats or something. There's a museum near where I live that has pictures of truly monstrous, but apparently genetically normal, wildcats, caused by interbreeding with other feline species.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:28 No.7758709
    and while we're at it, Ironclaw strip the fluff of some, use only redwall species and have a go, remember thinking it was pretty good for it.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:28 No.7758710
    Just on that note, Wolverine can bring down Elk.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:28 No.7758717
    so black people are only not evil if they're also retarded

    nice, Jacques
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:28 No.7758721
    I named my TWF Swordsage Dancing Badger in a game and everyone mocked me :(

    Fuckers do not appreciate how fucking badass badgers are.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:29 No.7758730
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    Okay /tg/, question.

    In this book the cats living on the island are heavily implied to be domestic cats. They're ruled over by a family of wildcats, who bitch about how the cats have lost thier savagery. There's a throwaway mention of the cats having masters who looked after them, but vanished long ago.

    ...anyone else think this might be a reference to humans? And if so...is Redwall actually a post-apocalyptic setting?

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:30 No.7758741
    It depends on the book. Earlier books make reference to humans clearly, and sometimes it comes up again. Are you going for the whole 'rats become intelligent post-nuclear war' vibe?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:30 No.7758747
    vermin aren't really blacks...

    they're accents are usually cockney.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:30 No.7758749
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    And I was fucking 24 at the time, yeah, I admit, redwall has kept up my intrest in trying to do something akin to it without the funny animal race/classism.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:30 No.7758750
    it was probably more the Dancing part than the Badger part
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:31 No.7758760
    How's ironclaw's rules, by the way?

    An elk??? really?!? and I thought Badgers were badass for taking on small groups of wolves.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:31 No.7758768

    The background has always been ambiguous on that point.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:32 No.7758777
    Slayers called, it wants its designs back.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:32 No.7758778
    Officially, early mentions of the human world have been retconned. Not sure what it means for the cats, though.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:32 No.7758787

    Been a long time since I played it, IIRC it's a tri-stat crossed with d20, not too bad really, just lots of fucking races which as said you strip down to only redwallers.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:34 No.7758804

    Was the purpose of the artist there, remember seeing it back when I was really into doing something like it, found artist's site, and yeah, they literally are Ironclaw versions of Naga and Lina.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:35 No.7758820

    Ironclaw had some really nice source images, such as a Samurai crane. Why did it go all durhur animu yiff?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:36 No.7758834
    The cover doesn't really mesh with the rest of the book, which is more or less straight medieval fantasy. Not sure why they used it.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:37 No.7758852
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    They payed for the image, this is the most recent image for the book... and following is a copy of the char sheet.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:37 No.7758862
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    And now for the char sheet.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:38 No.7758865
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    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:38 No.7758878
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    >Badgers are capable of fighting off much larger animals such as wolves, coyotes and bears.

    >And Bears
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:40 No.7758892
    Not actually killing bears though. Wolverines actually kill Elk.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:40 No.7758895
    Shit. I lost all respect for the system not being a yiffest (which the first art I've seen convinced me it wasn't, but now 'dis..)
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:40 No.7758900

    By rights, no wonder I will follow a badgersir or badgerlass, wot?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:40 No.7758903
    Redwall, THE most violent childrens'-book series ever written. So much nostalgia...
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:41 No.7758913
    >North American Badgers (Taxidea taxus) and Coyotes (Canis latrans) have been seen hunting together, in a cooperative fashion.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:42 No.7758916

    Speaking of Ungatt Trunn, it's mentioned that he's Tsarmina's uncle, and that his father's some sort of badass named King Mortspear. Have they ever expanded on that, or for that matter, on his brother's adventures prior to the whole "dying of poison" thing?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:42 No.7758921
    no, that'd be Animorphs
    >> Inquisitor Moap 01/24/10(Sun)17:42 No.7758924
    Oh sweet jesus.
    Its clear now, we need elephants.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:42 No.7758925

    No coyotes in Britain, else they'd be in the next book. Although there's no way a coyote wouldn't be a villain.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:43 No.7758930
    Armed with powerful jaws, sharp claws, and a thick hide, wolverines may defend kills against larger or more numerous predators. There is at least one published account of a 27-pound wolverine's attempt to steal a kill from a black bear (adult males weigh 400 to 500 pounds). Unfortunately for the mustelid, the bear won what was ultimately a fatal contest. Wolverines have been known to harass and attempt to intimidate wolves and cougars

    I know it didn't beat the bear, but that's not a case of the Wolverine scaring it off or fighting it off. That is the case of a bear killing something, and then OH SHIT WOLVERINE.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:43 No.7758932
    It's a system about furries. It's going to be a yiffest, no matter how tasteful the art.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:44 No.7758951
    Wildcats aren't inherently bad rulers. Trunn was, and Tsarmina was, but they can be good, neutral or bad. Mortspear is probably something like a Badger Lord on his own territories, except I imagine he rules over vermin as well as the normal crowd and has to fight off more dangerous shit like wolves, bears and other snowscape predators.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:44 No.7758953
    I'm more excited about many animals starting to show first signs of growing intellect/planning skills. Maybe in a few million years when we've left the planet badgers, dolphins, and ravens will inherit the earth.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:45 No.7758955
    because that's the only time in the history of the world that a bear and wolverine have encountered each other

    they are capable of scaring off bears
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)17:45 No.7758964
    The male Wildcat in Mossflower was good.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:46 No.7758973
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    System isn't, they just don't know how to put out a cover that isn't derivative (see old editions) or done so badly that it looks like a yiffest (see current). However the interior is usually good and more along Lord Fucking Brocktree. (See image)

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:46 No.7758974

    Trunn wasn't a bad leader. He was an EVIL leader, yes, but iirc he was one of the less retarded villains.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:46 No.7758975
    Who'd win if a badger and a wolverine faced off, though?
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)17:47 No.7758983
    >>Humanity colonizes the stars, leave Earth
    >>Few million years later, mammals evolve intelligence and technology
    >>Humans come back, exterminatus begins
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:49 No.7759014
    Nah. If anything we'd play the mysterious precursor civilization role so common in sci-fi and gently guide earth's history.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:49 No.7759016
    looks more like a normal furry than Lord Brocktree to me
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:50 No.7759028
    It's fairly clear that some animals have at least a limited (but still considerable) intelligence when it comes to planning and foresight. If you look at Killer Whales, particularly (I'd rank them above dolphins in the same family) and some of the behaviours of elephants.

    It's not necessarily a size thing, either. The Portia spider is a very slow 'thinker' because its brain is tiny, but it has a great tactical planning ability. Look it up.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:50 No.7759041
    Brb, statting all the races for Warhammer Fantasy.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:50 No.7759043
    The only answer is: Whoever wins, we lose.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:51 No.7759055

    OK, but my question was if there are books about them.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)17:52 No.7759070

    Seconded, but if you put a badger face I guess it would work because hell, that's how the covers picture it.


    You must think we're the Federation or something.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:52 No.7759071
    >In North America, coyotes sometimes eat badgers and vice versa, but the majority of their interactions seem to be mutual or neutral.

    >Badgers have been known to become intoxicated with alcohol after eating rotting fruit.

    >and vice versa

    Holy fuck what.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:53 No.7759080
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:53 No.7759087
    It would be awesome thats what it would be.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:54 No.7759098

    Rotting fruit can get high off of badgers?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:55 No.7759108

    Damn it.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:56 No.7759125
    Recent research shows that Dolphins are capable of teaching each other - and more importantly, their children - skills and knowledge they have learned. Their language is the most sophisticated outside of our own and they even divide into social groups, go on raids with other tribes to rape/steal their females and fight them for therights to the fish in the area,

    Apes have shown many of these qualities, but at the moment no other animal matches the Dolphins.

    I'm a meat eater through and through, but even I, given what I've recently learned, think we should protect and nuture dolphins.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:56 No.7759128

    Get it done, we want our damn redwall RPG.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:56 No.7759134
    >ferocious fighters
    >getting drunk

    So can we stat badgers as enormous fuzzy dwarves?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:57 No.7759136

    I'm a vegetarian, and I think we should kill them all so that they can't compete with us someday.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:57 No.7759138
    >rape is sign of intelligence

    just what I'd expect from a dirty misogynistic neckbeard
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:57 No.7759148
    Yup. Badgers eat wolves all the time too.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:58 No.7759162
    I kinda meant for the wargame, but if you want I'll do it for RP instead.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:59 No.7759174

    Either way, so much nostalgia rush here.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:59 No.7759179
    I'm not a misogynist. Fighting over resources and having a dynamic social structure with factions and everything is the faintest hint of the spark of civilization. Note not all dolphins do it - it seems to be a local practice in many seas, just like some human cultures do certain acts and others do not.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)17:59 No.7759187
    Killer Whales do that too, I'm afraid. Sans the rape. Whalesong, given that it constantly changes throughout a given life, has got to be the most complex language even considering our own.

    Well, humans did it for fucking ages.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:04 No.7759249
    >I'm a meat eater through and through, but even I, given what I've recently learned, think we should protect and nuture dolphins.

    Dolphins are child-killing rapists
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:06 No.7759274
    I thought Dolphins were the only animals other than humans that are capable of passing learned skills to their young/others and develop local 'cultures'? for example, one Dolphin learned a certain dance when it was in captivity. Later when it was released they (and I don't remember how) managed to film the dolphin performing the dance on its own for no apparent reason (likely for amusement, the researchers say) and the dolphins around him tried to imitate him. A year later the dolphin's offsprings were seen doing the dance.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:07 No.7759290
    Badger Paladin. Standing tall, in a gleam of steel and metal - baring a great sword and shield, no helmet, standing upon a path in the mountain and looking down upon the legions of the wild vermin as they prepare to wreak havoc upon the people on the other side.

    He issues a warning:

    "This is my land. Step a foot on it, and your leg is forfeit. Put hand upon it, and your arm is mine. Breath the air within it, and I will remove your head. Choice is yours."

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:08 No.7759293
    In theory every animal that gets smart enough will pass through such a phase.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:08 No.7759298
    It's called Mouse Guard and it fucking rocks.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:11 No.7759326
    Now I want a pet badger
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:13 No.7759345

    but how would we do a Badger?


    Dear lord, Badgers are awesom, as are hares, and otters.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:13 No.7759346
    Nope. Each clique of killer whales has different hunting patterns and different chosen prey. They set up situations to teach their young to hunt by for instance, stranding a seal on an iceflow and them showing how to make a wave to knock it off. They do this repeatedly to demonstrate and then the young one does it until it can do so successfully. They also 'play' with their young using carcasses.

    Swarm intelligence might be of interest to you. Ants and huge flocks of birds are particular examples.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:17 No.7759421
    Thanks for the lesson. Swarm intelligence is one thing, but you'll have to admit that the moment an animal has something akin to an 'oral tradition' then it has been elevated above its lesser kin.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:19 No.7759439
    SUMMER 2010
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:20 No.7759465
    I think manual dexterity is actually probably more important. I can't really look at these systems as anything other than potential, so it's difficult for me to elevate or dismiss one or the other.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:21 No.7759476
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    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:22 No.7759480
    When I was young, I always imagined the "VERMINZ R EVUL" bit to be a cultural thing localized to the area of Redwall.

    Endless fun was had imagining a trading ship full of vermin from a city across the sea showing up and being all "WHAT THE FUCK YOU GUYS" at every single interaction in Redwall history.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:23 No.7759483
    In the grimdark future of redwall, there is only delicious caek.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:23 No.7759484
    How young?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:23 No.7759490
    With the exception of badgers being adorable, unlike dorfs.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:24 No.7759501

    Lols and gets an idea for an alternate world where we have Baj Fort instead of Dorf Fort.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:25 No.7759512

    Dorfs that are surly and cute?

    Someone photoshop the badger picture with a dorf/viking helmet and beard please.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:25 No.7759513
    Lllike, 8?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:26 No.7759529
    The lack of 'opposable thumbs' is problematic, but then perhaps we underestimate evolution. Even if whales and their ilk do not develop 'true' tools (they can probably still build rough terrain with their mouth) a (relatively) advanced society can still develop.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:27 No.7759533
    Consider a career in advertising or political analysis or something.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:28 No.7759543
    Wow, this takes me back to elementary/middle school. I first found out about creepy fucking furries on a Redwall fan site back in fifth grade. But, no, Redwall isn't furry, any more than Aesop or Brer Rabbit is furry.

    If I remember right, waaaay back when (like, 2000/2001) there was a Redwall RPG floating around the intertubes. I think it used GURPS.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)18:28 No.7759544

    Man, I made that joke already.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:28 No.7759546
    Man, fuck Dragonborn. 4e should've made Badgerborn.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:28 No.7759549
    It's much more likely they'll go extinct first. Evolution takes a long, long time.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:29 No.7759557
    I remember that pissing me off as well.

    Also, I wondered when humans would appear and how the Redwallians would react to them.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:29 No.7759558
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    Hmm maybe I should find someway to kick Dragonborn to the Curb and make Badgerborn.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:30 No.7759569
    Badgerborn of Moradin. Fuckall hueg swords lead by surly badger lords and ladies. Rough and tumble, best friends with dwarves, often with a coyote traveling companion/pet. Rough, tough, territorial... but will protect anything or anyone in that territory.

    And cute.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:30 No.7759578
    You are now aware that every Redwall book is framed as a story told by a woodlander.

    Of course the vermin are evil in the retellings. They LOST.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)18:30 No.7759580

    Man, that would be pretty cool.

    "Yo, we're like from out there and we probably have some cool shit to trade you."

    *arrows everywhere*

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:30 No.7759584

    Recipe exchange.

    I'd like some of that Strawberry Fizz. And Hotroot soup.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:31 No.7759587
    True enough, but I hope that eventually SOME species will break through. Even if there are no alien life we could one day discover another race that is more than a mere beast.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:31 No.7759589
    I don't think you have to be a particularly astute eight year-old to understand that Jacques' lesson in (whatever the one with the ferret raised in Redwall was called) was pretty much fucked. I was about 9 when I read it, and I remember my immediate reaction being, "The animals of Redwall are fucking racists."
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)18:31 No.7759591
    >>Implying that a bunch of mice who bake pastries and make riddles could be evil.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:31 No.7759593

    Until you attempt to harm those in it's care, then shit just got real, with a greatsword.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:31 No.7759598

    The book would be Outcast of Redwall.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:32 No.7759601
    That's quite a smart call at age 8.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:32 No.7759608

    But they didn't have the Trout ala Redwall.

    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:32 No.7759613
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)18:32 No.7759615

    It's an easy concept when you're young to grasp, such and such are definitely evil because they are born evil and such and such are good. If you bring in concepts like evil due to nurture, then it adds a whole new complexity.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:33 No.7759618
    Or a badgerborn druid. Who summons bears.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:33 No.7759628

    Fuck it, this is what I'm doing, have to muck around a bit, but damn if a Badgerborn Barbarian wouldn't just be all RAEG! when someone slaps the halfling.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:34 No.7759631
    Nnno, actually, implying that the winners of any conflict will villainize the losers and that "good" and "evil" are usually kind of arbitrary.

    Lord Brocktree told from Trunn's perspective would be glorious and you all know it. Dude was basically Alexander the Great.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:34 No.7759635
    And rides dire badgers. And protects badgerkind EVERYWHERE.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:34 No.7759637
    Are you both American? Maybe it's just more of an issue there. I'm not sure I even knew what a racist was at age 8.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:34 No.7759642
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:35 No.7759658
    The badgerlady in the cartoon was fuckwin
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:36 No.7759666
    Badger stats - +2 Strength/+2 Constitution?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:36 No.7759667
    At age 8 I didn't pick up on it. Really I don't see it as racist but more classist. And he seems to have the Tolkien Orc problem, sure there are good vermin, but they just aren't seen too often due to the Vermin being of "Mordor".
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:37 No.7759680

    Constance will always be kickass, with only Brocktree above her.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:38 No.7759686
    >Road accidents continue to be the largest cause of death in badgers. Measures, such as underpasses and fencing, are currently available to help avoided this problem, although new measures continue to be developed. The suitability and feasibility of these obviously needs to be considered at each site.

    >Survive bears
    >Get run over
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:38 No.7759697
    Oh my fuck, yes. Sailing around the world amassing a horde and having bitchfights with his brother.

    Islands and colonies of squirrels and shit living peacefully under Blue Horde rule might be neat too.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:39 No.7759708
    Did you know that a badger will attack tall oponents by going for the groin?

    That's right. It's better to be closer to the ground when facing a badger, because it will leap for the crotch and castrate you with its teeth.

    Badgers are fucking scary.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:41 No.7759729
    Well, current d20 badgers basically have UNENDING RAGE. Seriously, look at them, they have a racial rage ability that can't end until their enemies are dead. They're perfect barbarians.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:41 No.7759738
    I wrote the post you're referring to, and, yes, I'm an American.

    Part of it, I'm sure, is that schools here tend to emphasize various multicultural lessons pretty early, and the idea of being "naturally" anything tends to be looked down upon these days.

    I remember that my reaction to Outcast of Redwall was that the ferret was probably "evil" because everyone in Redwall expected him to be evil, and thus treated him like shit.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:42 No.7759751

    Racial traits

    Average Height: 6´ 2˝–6´ 8˝
    Average Weight: 220–320 lb.
    Ability Scores: +2 Strength, +2 Constitution
    Size: Medium
    Speed: 6 squares
    Vision: Low-light
    Languages: Common, Salamand
    Skill Bonuses: +2 History, +2 Intimidate

    Bloodfury: When you’re bloodied, you gain a +1
    racial bonus to attack rolls.

    Warrior’s Surge: You can use warrior’s surge as an encounter power.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:45 No.7759783
    You could make them taller or shorter without making much difference. Badgers are kinda small animals, but they give off a fuckall huge personality, and are built like tanks.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:47 No.7759809

    whoops, yeah should be more along the lines of 4´9˝–5´4˝
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:47 No.7759813
    Gnaw Groin
    Standard Action Range: Melee
    Target: One creature
    Attack: Dexterity+3 VS Reflex

    Hit: The target's groin is torn and utterly ravaged
    The target begins to lose one Healing Surge per a round until it uses a healing surge. If the target would lose a healing surge when it has none it drops to -1 HP and goes unconcious. If the target would lose a Healing surge when it is unconcious it dies from bloodloss and shock.

    Regardless of the target's survival or death, the victim's groin has been destroy forever and may not be recovered by any means(Outside of fluff, all this means is that the target can never be attacked by this attack again as it has no groin to speak of)
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    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:48 No.7759837

    Gnaw Groin (Badgerborn racial)

    you can use Gnaw groin as an encounter power.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:50 No.7759869
    Actually looking at it, if done right could redo some of the 4e stuff for Redwall too. *thinks* maybe after I finish up campaign world 1.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)18:51 No.7759890

    Gnaw Groin does not affect creatures that are sexless, or do not possess a groin. It also does not affect creature whose groin has been removed by other means.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)18:52 No.7759900

    A target loses 2 healing surges per round if it has two sets of genitalia.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:53 No.7759917
    Badgerborn: the bane of krogans
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:53 No.7759921

    In my game world

    Army Leader: ok we have to attack this point.
    *points to area along border of Salamand*
    Tactician: all right, Eunuch Squad form up!
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:53 No.7759931
    Nice! I'd prefer a unique encounter power though (and a more serious one than groin' gnawin' if this was used for an actually serious game)
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:54 No.7759937
    Nah. Badgers have no problems with Brogans.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:54 No.7759946
    4 testicles means they can DESTROY THEM
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)18:55 No.7759954

    The greatest sacrifice are those who volunteer to become eunuchs so they may be immune to the Badgerborn's devastating groin targeting powers. Some die in the process, but those that survive are revered as heroes and saviors of their kind.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:55 No.7759964
    yeah, gnaw groin isn't serious, but warrior surge is closer to the Badgers we like here.

    was thinking of something that would go better as a racial feats)
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:55 No.7759968
    So, they're Grey Wardens?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:55 No.7759969
    Oh, I am not doubting that. But Badgerborn would have little trouble with the Brogan. Sure, they might beat the shit out of each other, but after all was said and done, they'd go and get drunk.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:56 No.7759980
    I dunno, Animorphs was pretty grimdark.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)18:58 No.7760005
    The Badgerborn have never been defeated because, for some reason, they always seem to outnumber the opposition...
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)18:58 No.7760010

    I almost put that there too, but I resisted the urge at the last moment.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)18:59 No.7760020

    They seem to follow the Badger Lords, who legends say are ancient woodland spirits bound to mortal form.
    >> NG Pally 01/24/10(Sun)19:00 No.7760033

    When a Badger Lord is found, many gather around and march out in organized force, creating what many call...a Long Patrol.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:01 No.7760051

    A long patrol made of Badgeborn, Elves, Dorfs, and Humans?

    Your nation is fuuuuuuuuuuucked.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:01 No.7760061
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:03 No.7760100
    The Honey Badger clan is the most numereous. Small, stocky, and stout they are masters of deceit, ambush, and the brewing of alcohol.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:05 No.7760125

    Dear lord, even the Dragonborn in my world give Badgerborn a wide berth... and these were people who originally captured dragons so they could alchemically mindrape them to ritually make more dragonborn from dragon eggs.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:08 No.7760169
    Are we auto-saging?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:08 No.7760172
    The badgerborn are not nice people. They might be good, they will stop crime, protect the innocent, guard the city, and punish evil. But they aren't nice people.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:08 No.7760174
    hmmm, should we just go the 4e route and stat the rest, was thinking of making Hares more like Elves, but without the faggotry wot.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:10 No.7760190
    Hares replacing Elves.

    I'm ok with this, beacsue, really, what's the difference in the long run? Big ears, small, sly, stealthy?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:12 No.7760224

    But what of the other races?

    would mice be halflings or humans, and we all know dorfs would have to be Moleloik.
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:13 No.7760240
    Humans as otters?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:14 No.7760254

    Should we just make a seperate redwall 4e thread?
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:20 No.7760334
    When ya do, link it. :)
    >> Anonymous 01/24/10(Sun)19:27 No.7760420


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