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    1.59 MB Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:02 No.13333185  
    You have received a message, Your IP has been traced by someone, or something, and you have been chosen. You have 1 hour to gather up to 500 pounds of possessions, and to ready yourself for that one thing that not many people have to do these days; Survive.

    Once teleported, you are on a remote island, along with a host of other people. You are 3 miles away from the sea, next to a lake. There is plenty of timber and rocks, there are others with their materials. Inscribed on a large stone is the message; "You are the chosen. I suggest you live like it. I wish you all the best of luck in living out your lives to their fullest, as such, You have my good will, and a wish for good hunting."

    Sounds of wildlife permeate the air, and fish jump in the water.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:02 No.13333192
    The logistics; This is a take on the 4chan Archipelago, except without Dinosaurs. There is still dangerous game, including; Wild Hogs, venomous snakes and spiders, as well as insects, Large Mountain Cats, and other various threats of tropical islands. There are even some insects that would make the Australian outback balk and shudder. Monsoon Season has passed, and you have a few months in the clear.
    You have one hour to gather your supplies and possessions, including /tg/ related items, before being teleported to a semi-tropical island, with lots of jungle, as well as hardwood and beaches. You see mountains, including one large spire in the distance. There are plenty of resources, including food, minerals, timber, and game.

    Welcome to /tg/'s island.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:07 No.13333252
    Skills; What skills do you have to re-invent society?
    Possessions; What are you bringing to help recreate society and make it thrive?
    Ideas; What ideas would you like to instill on the island, that could help a community grown and thrive, and help create a Pax Romana of sorts.
    Tactics; What are you going to do?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:08 No.13333273
    Fuck yeah.
    Grabbing my SHTF/GTFO/hurricane bag, the generator/fuel sitting on my patio, my tarpaulin collection (for what worked out to be an unneeded idea for the hurricane season), my neighbor's humidor (and my own cartons of cigarettes) and printer, every candle, sheet, lighter, box of matches, bottle of liquor, article of weather-ready clothing, my tool box, the PVC drain pipes running by my patio ledge, the front door and door frame, my entire food supply, my gf and her medical kit, my .38 revolver, cleaning kit, ammunition, my laptop and solar backpack, then rip out my toilet if I've got enough weight left over. After that, my external hard drive.

    Fuck yeah.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:11 No.13333307
    Very nice list. Have you been in the other threads? I recognize some of your possessions.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:12 No.13333321
    500 pounds of possessions?
    I'd open my gun cabinet and essentially gut it. Pack them into cases, throw all the ammunition into a duffle. Bounce over to the store (about a 15 minute walk) and stock up on more ammunition throw that into another duffle. Take the machete off the wall, grab my walking stick.
    Walk into the garage, grab the camping gear: portable stove, tent, tarps, weatherproof sleeping bags, first aid kits, MRE's, etc. Grab the tools off the racks. Shovels, rakes, axes, hatchets, etc.
    A box of survival-oriented books and reference materials.
    Finally, and most importantly, a cooler with my favorite beer. It's likely I'll never taste it again, so it's important to have some.

    Ready to go in half an hour.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:13 No.13333329
    >1 hour

    Crap, I sure hope I get said message at a reasonable hour. There's not much "Gathering" one can do at midnight when the stores are closed.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:15 No.13333342
    >Skills: carpentry, woodworking, roofing, construction, metalworking, blacksmithing, welding, survival skills.
    Possessions: see above.
    Ideas: long-term construction ideas, short-term solutions to housing, clothing, feeding and helping others.
    Tactics: gather like-minded individuals into a cohesive group, find reasonably secure shelter, obtain water access (fresh water, initially; coastal access later on), begin construction of any and all necessary shelters in lieu of natural opportunities (caves, large hollows, etc.), then take a survey of available skill sets, experiences and training, form relevant groups into working sub-groups to accomplish associated tasks. Assume no leadership positions beyond a meritocracy with the following stipulations:
    >survival experience - highest precedence
    >accredited expertise - higher precedence
    >enthusiastic amateur - moderate precedence
    >unskilled laborer - lower precedence
    >unskilled, non-laborer - lowest precedent

    Those who can work, will work. Those who won't work, aren't welcome. End of story.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:16 No.13333352
    I was Welderanon in one of them, yes.

    If you need something in a hurry, never underestimate the shopping power of a thrown brick through a store window.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:17 No.13333366
    Skills; Brewing/Distilling, Cooking, Ammunition and Self Defense, Weapon Making, Metal Working, Carpentry, Plumbing work (Not a whole lot), a little Fabrication, some basic auto work, Survivalist (I have a lot of free time)
    Possessions; Multiple guns, .38, .357, 12 gauge pistol grip, 3 twelve gauges, a few .22's, and my .308, as well as a recurve bow. Seeds of various plants (Including hemp and other more fun ones), machetes, all my blade collection (Swords, knives, daggers, cooking knives and cleaver) my Cast Iron skillets and other pots, Survival grill, water purifier, large bag of charcoal, bicycle, Carpentry tools (Saws, drill press, hammers and nails (Thousands of nails), screw drivers, an axe, a shovel, gardening equipment, and my /tg/ related supplies.
    Ideas; A general "Work as hard as you can to help everyone out, and FOR THE GREATER GOOD" and whatnot
    Tactics; Work on surviving.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:20 No.13333392
    I'll make you a new favorite beer, how's that sound? Also some damn good shine, and if you live long enough, a nice scotch or whiskey
    Welcome back Welder, Brewer/Chef here
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:23 No.13333426
    Good to be back. I figured I would cut down on my weight limit by taking out my cookware; if you showed up, I think we'd have more than plenty of cutlery and pots. To make up for it, I'd raid my neighbors' extensive spice and herb collection, then steal their bikes. It seems kind of Gilligan's Island-tech, but I found out bike generators can be worked to operate on moving water and rigged to a stove element. From stream water to generated on-demand cooking platform. Figured that would make you a happy anon.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:23 No.13333434
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    I bitch and moan about "why the fuck am i out in the woods with three strangers" till they ditch me and then i am alone, i slowly make my way back to my house, figure out who the hell had contacted me, and file a police report against them.

    oh and what about the "500" pounds of shit i would bring? i don't own any weapons. or "survival gear" so idk. and any of you faggy neckbeards that actually think you can carry that much...well i'm laughing.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:27 No.13333467
    You're not carrying that much. That's how much will get teleported with you in your general area. If it's laying 2 feet away from you, and you actively grabbed it, and you're under the weight limit, that's fine.

    The weight limit was established to prevent people from grabbing; Cars, houses, boats, supermassive objects.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:28 No.13333474
    ...since we've just heard from the 9th grade, does anyone older have anything to add?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:29 No.13333480
    >bring 500 pounds of guns and military supplies from a nearby gun shop
    >enslave the "survivalists" who only brought their faggoty multitools and survival gear
    >force them to work for me as I reside in a fortified bunker on the top of a mountain constructed by my slaves
    >armed rebellion is impossible because lol noguns
    I hope /k/ got invited too, this should be fun.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:29 No.13333481
    Upon arriving at the island, it'll be necessary to secure several locations: A campsite, a permanent residence (might be the same as the campsite, though that's questionable) and access to fresh water. Depending on the type of forestation (pine and fir, oak and aspen, palm trees, etc) I'll determine the substance of my permanent residence. I'll get to work chopping down trees. I'll enlist the indigenous neckbeard population to retrieve stones, at which point I will build a house from the ground up.

    Once the domicile has been created and established, it's time for agriculture. I'll tame some indigenous neckbeards for plowing and I'll use them in the creation of my farm, which will sustain me. I should have grabbed my fucking rototiller, fuck.
    There are many plants that can be spun into a fabric or pseudo-fabric. This will aid me in my construction of a windmill or series of windmills.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:29 No.13333485

    in that case i'd bring my television, and my bookshelf. just too see the looks on everyones faces when i teleport in with it. man that would be hilarious, you know its true.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:29 No.13333487
    I actually really dig cooking over fire. If you can regulate a nice grill pit, you can make something that's just as efficient as an electric stove. I'd say use the bike genny for lighting for surgery or something like that. Shit happens.

    Also, I'm bringing Chain, a large metal grille, and tools to make said bbq pit. Roast a whole hog on it.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:32 No.13333506
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    have fun on /k/'s island, well the fuck away from /tg/. Also; About 1/3 of /tg/ are also bezer/k/ers who are well armed. You'd have a hell of a time.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:33 No.13333516
    There's a 55-gallon drum at the edge of the parking lot, would work well as a starter kit for a BBQ. It'll need cleaning out first, but I doubt it'd be a real concern.

    ...just realized I didn't include cleaning supplies. Ah! gf is a ca/tg/irl, so I guess she gets 500lbs. of supplies, as well.

    Hell, we may wind up being the only two people with our own actual mattress and box springs, because .. damn, we don't own much here.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 12/30/10(Thu)00:33 No.13333517
    Easy. I just take my pack and webbing, and suff them full of rugged clothing and spare boots. Good boots are going to be valuable as fuck in a few months' time, might as well stock up. Also grab as many spare rat-packs as I can so I can tide myself over until I've learned what's good to eat and what's not. Grab my field medicine and trap notebooks on the way, that shit will be damned useful.

    Then, drive to the local pharmacy and buy as much over-the -counter shit as I can. Pain medication and anti-cold stuff as a priority, and heaps of disinfectants. See if I can't grab some antibiotics too. Grab a huge fistful of multivitamin tablets too. Pharmaecuticals will be more valuable than their weight in gold for the rest of my life on this island. Hit up the hardware store next, and buy a shitload of rope. It'll be gold in the first months, and still useful even when we figure out how to make it on the island since it'll be tougher than theirs. Also a substantial stock of lighter fluid.

    Finish up by going hoem and grabbing my ipod and solar charger, and fill out the weight limit with long-life confectionery nd my cousin's durries. I guarantee you that after a month people will be literally willing to kill for a handful of M&Ms and two smokes.

    No firearms, but they're only necessary against people. If I set up by a cliff I can safeguard my stuff from raiders by threatening to toss it over, and sooner or later I'll meet someone willing to give me a weapon in trade for some of my good shit. I've got everything I need, and anything I want I have enough good stuff to barter for.

    As for skills, combat engineer makes me useful for field machines and traps, and used to shitty living in the bush. Nothing else I do has any direct relevance though, but I've got enough to easily buy my way into a decent community and the skills and fitness to keep me useful.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:36 No.13333549
    Welcome Herr Doktorr.
    Mine is too, Gardner from the last thread. I think we'd rather have pillows, a few blankets and a really nice hammock, fuck sleeping on the ground man, all kinds of creepy crawlies. I don't want a venomous centipede down my pants while I sleep.
    >> A Dead /co/mrade 12/30/10(Thu)00:37 No.13333560
    Hey stupid /k/ will First invade /co/ and we are barely going Put up a Fight
    From /co/ they are just a Stone throw away
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:39 No.13333586
    You have a good point there. I think I could get more mileage out of a bunch more sheets, which could be turned into hammocks than I could the novelty of a mattress which may wind up moldy as bread within a few weeks. Good eye on that.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:40 No.13333597
    If you were in the last thread, /k/ was too busy deciding "HURR HURR Rape pillage kill hurrr DESTROY DESTROY DESTROY." It's fine if they want an alliance, but they aren't taking over /tg/, and /co/ has always been bro's. We'll help you out.
    >> OP 12/30/10(Thu)00:41 No.13333608
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    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:42 No.13333611
    Is their electricity? That would help me decide what to bring. Also, I don't think I own 500 pounds of stuff. I could probably take everything I own with me.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:42 No.13333613
    Hammocks are easy to make, repair, and to create material for. If you don't have the material now, we'll have the hemp in a few months, and 2 person hammocks with a blanket tossed in the bottom can be reeeeeally fucking comfortable.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:42 No.13333621
    disregard the name. Was hosting a thread last night and I forgot to delete
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 12/30/10(Thu)00:43 No.13333625

    That's fun of them. I wonder if they realise that a handful of angry fags with guns aren't going to be able to get off their island, let alone beat organised communities with fewer guns.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:43 No.13333626
    I meant "there" not "their"!
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:43 No.13333632
    Some people are bringing Generators, we have the ability to make electricity, and the ability to manufacture fuel, so, chances are there will be some electricity, but used sparingly, until we can get solar/wind/hydro farms up and running.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:44 No.13333636
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    Some oldtimey shit goin on
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:44 No.13333641
    This is me:
    Skills: I have worked construction, so I know how to build shit. I've been a bricklayer and stonecutter, so I know how to do that too. I'm also a history major with a focus on ancient civilizations and a minor in sociology.
    Possessions; Guns, tools, survival gear, books for reference, booze.
    Ideas; I believe in everyone working together for mutual benefit. I believe that the worst crime is laziness, so if I had a say in how things worked, I would say "if you don't work, you don't eat." There would be zero tolerance for laziness and incompetence in my camp.
    Tactics; I'm going to build a house, equipment areas, a self-sustaining farm, a wood and earth palisade to isolate it all from the rest of the island.

    If I can get along with the rest of the denizens they're welcome to join me
    (All seem to be reasonable people) but I can't abide laziness.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:44 No.13333644
    I'll be bringing a generator, and after a moment's thought, every car battery I can boost from any car within range. So, electricity won't be an active concern, until we lose the option to generate our own later on (which, given I know how to make a wood gasifier, is going to be a long, long time).

    I have around 40+ bedsheets in my linen closet. 20+ towels. There's one real perk to where I live: you will not run out of towels and sheets, ever.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:45 No.13333655
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    Classic shit yo
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:46 No.13333665
    Not sure how much use my computer would be. I do have some Dungeons and Dragons stuff that I could bring so we could play that when we were done with our daily chores. Not sure if D&D is something a "chosen one" would bother with, though.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:48 No.13333686
    Grab files on things people would want to learn, or things you'd like to be able to study later on. A few gigs of gaming books would be a welcome addition, plus we could always use another computer to help set up a network, for faster communication and as the basis for a future Skype-like phone system.
    >> Anvil 12/30/10(Thu)00:48 No.13333690
    Hello from a previous thread. Crap a whole hour this time? That makes it a tad easier, pity I don't have my christmas presents anymore!
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:49 No.13333692
    We're /tg/, we love D&D, chances are the computer will break however, I recommend stealing lots of food and other things before you come, so that when you do arrive, someone will be more inclined to help you.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:50 No.13333703
    As long as you have your anvil, we'll still love you.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:51 No.13333710

    Oh look, its the casual version of lenore
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:51 No.13333712
    Shit... 500 lbs lets see... My bed, dice, computer, All my D&D 3.0 books, the crate I keep in my garage, couple days worth of food, and with the remaining time and weight left I will go raid the local library for books and go raid walmart for the remaining food and guns. All of this will be timed so the second I grab the last gun I will be teleported to the island cause then the police can't do shit.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:54 No.13333745
    If you have left over space/weight in your allotment, do a favor: grab tools and durable goods (cloth [not clothing, per se, just bulk cloth items], lumber, pipes, nails, screws, bolts, nuts) as well as any food or bedding materials (sleeping bags, blankets, quilts, pillows [and extra pillow cases]). If you can't use it, you can trade it for something you'd rather have. Technical manuals, instructional guides and how-to/DIY stuff is prime, as well.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:56 No.13333765
    Are there any structures near by? We'll need to make structures to live in. Unless we bring some tents first.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)00:57 No.13333776
    Why bother with taking more than your books? Load them into a shopping cart, then go visit Wal-Mart. Grab three carts, start filling them up. Skip the guns, which are usually kept locked up (and you can only take out one at a time, no ammo nearby), and go with stuff they leave on the shelves (bows, crossbows, marker pistols, propane canisters, flare pistols, etc.).

    Throw in hand tools like axes, shovels, picks, lengths of chain and rope, and you're going to be a merchant-king in no time.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 12/30/10(Thu)00:59 No.13333809
    Actually, 500 pounds is like 220 kilos. Fuck, I might just drop off all but the light and valuables like pharmaceuitcals and bring a tinnie. One little boat with three groups of two on rolling fishing shifts of 8 hours each could provide a hell of a lot of fish once we learned the good spots. Without the engine I might get it in under the limit ,and there'd be no use for the engine anyway.

    I'd want a camp run by what you put in is what you get out. You provide a man's worth of food to the collective, you get a man's worth back. The hog you killed is six men fed for a day, so you get six days of food off of it, of whatever the collective produces that day. You join the group people helping to build shelters, you get their help making shelters when your name hits the top of the list. Provide useful goods to the community, get a vague equivalence back. A bottle of cold pills might be worth fifty metres of rope and three fishhooks. Allow private trading, but try to make it so that the collective has so much shit that it's easier to just go to it, which will be self-sustaining.

    Likewise with security. If you're on the list of daytime patrols to go walking for an hour, lookign for food or people or whatever, you get to sleep inside the palisade. If you put your name up for palisade picket duty, you don't have to patrol that day. If we need to conduct an attack on a raider camp, there's no compulsion, but you only get the loot if you join in.

    It's a tricky system, but it works well enough in small communities. As long as you can find someone trusted by most people to be the collective's quartermaster, it usually works out.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:00 No.13333814
    Skils: I can sail, astrally navigate (a little bit) and construct rudimentary sailboats (think Kon-Tiki) and sails (given appropriate material I could sew one together, I mean) as well as practicing martial arts for the last three years and possessing a large amount of intelligence (IQ > 165), physical strength and physical endurance. However, I am also a fatass and a shithead by my own admittance and usually do not work well with people that I do not share a mindset with - survival would be no problem initially but fairly soon I would become a fucking prick without my best friend to bounce ideas off of. Oh, and I also speak rudimentary German and can cook.

    Posessions: Many, many survival manuals (a few dozen hardcopy, covering everything from resisting torture to manuals of what is and isn't edible nearly EVERYWHERE and a few hundred more in .pdf), a laptop and solar charger, well as a semiautomatic rifle with a few hundred rounds, my bow (my recurve /w 40 arrows and a fletching kit), my tent, lots of dehydrated food, what I have jokingly dubbed my "apocalypse kit". My "apocalypse kit" weighs about 200 lb and has pretty much everything I would need for extended survival from tropical - sub-arctic conditions and environments from desert to island. As I live in a city of 100,000, I have no fucking idea why I have access to all of this or why I packed it.

    Ideas: I have no fucking idea, I usually try to stay away from people and their issues

    Tactics: find out where we are, find out what happened via world band radio and If rescue does not seem to be forthcoming offer my services in whatever capacity I possibly can. As long as I have someone (read: another misanthropic shithead) with which to spend time with I will be ok.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:01 No.13333821
    Guns are the last stop and yes they have shit tons of ammo behind the counter and some are behind glass shelves. They keep the hunting rifles in a glass show case. Locked but still glass and I can pop the lock pretty quickly with the many many tools two aisles over
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:03 No.13333837
    We're going to be making fishing boats within the first week or two, that's priority. As well as nets. You won't really need the tinny.

    The community is going to be "You work, you eat." or so it seems. Everyone pulls their weight, everyone gets to enjoy life. Chances are after a day of work, there will be a nice dinner, hot baths/showers, and something comfortable to sleep in. What more can you ask for?
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:06 No.13333860
    I’m no survivor but I’m witty, relatively fit, and I hope I’d prove resourceful and useful should this ever happen:
    My first thought is to secure food so I would grab a pot, a pan, a jumbo pack full of lighters (drug store), and large, simple eating utensils (large knife and spoon perhaps). I would need some way to hunt for meat so I’ll take a fishing rod and net for fish. I’ll have to try and rely on traps if I want to hunt for land animals- I don’t own any hunting gear (maybe buy some at the store if I have time). I’m also going to bring my mountain bike and the small hand pump for the tires. Relatively light, could provide a fast form of travel in some cases, and if it breaks I’ll simply break it down and make damn good use of the spare parts. I’ll bring some simple mechanic’s tools for that just in case. I’m going to want to wear as many layers of clothes that I can (jacket, long johns, jeans, socks, boots, bandana, hat) and bring a large amount of cloth. I can see cloth as being very useful in the short term- filtering, shelter, rope, comfort, trade, clothing, etc. I’m not of the drinking age but I’ll see about getting my hands on any form of alcohol that I can. The antiseptic properties and its trading value make it very important. Also I’m going to grab bottles of honey. Why? Honey doesn’t go bad and it’s a quickass way to sweeten things up. Alright, awesome… I can’t think of anything else at the moment.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 12/30/10(Thu)01:06 No.13333861

    It takes a long damned time to make a decent fishing boat. With a tinnie, we can go fishing right off. Besides, they hold much more than an improvised canoe, so once we've made the fishing boats it'll be more useful for long expeditions. Maybe trade expeditions to other islands, especially since this will allow us to trade larger volume goods.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:07 No.13333871
    I think showers are a bit far fetched within the first month probably two. Keep the optimism but adopt some realism.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:08 No.13333879
    We'll build rafts and night fishing isn't something we would be doing for a while; sticking close to shore is a safer, better bet. But, two 8-hour shifts with two people each could net us a lot of fish, provided you had them each come back for the afternoon (or evening, as appropriate by schedule) collective meal. It would cut down on both our refrigeration needs as well as storage requirements by quite a bit.

    Side note: anyone have specs on how to keep fish or fresh produce stored properly in a tropical environment? I doubt we'd have enough juice to run a full-scale freezer, but I think we could squeeze in some dorm fridges.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:10 No.13333892
    Showers can be made out of a basic bamboo system within a day. It's really not all that hard, it's heated by the sun as well. I've made a few for Burning man. It won't be too hard.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:10 No.13333899

    I think we could work together. I'm great with instruction manuals so I could learn a lot from your guides, as I said I'd be bringing a shitload of cloth with me for your sailboats, I'm a great guy for bouncing ideas of off as I'm pretty nice, I've studied cooking for a year and a half now and I can speak intermediate level Chinese.

    I need to get my hands on a gun, however... Everyone's "gunning" for one it seems.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:11 No.13333906
    I like your idea. A million other guys will bring shit loads of tools and food but if you have a boat, you can get your own food and get in big time with everyone else.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:11 No.13333914
    Solar showers are insanely easy to build. Every campout I have gone on for the last fifteen years, I managed to set one up with nothing more intensive than black waterproofed canvas, mylar blankets and clear acrylic sheeting I bought at a fabric store. Top earners get first crack at them. Early risers learn to keep back until around ten or so in the morning, to let the water get warmer.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:12 No.13333920
    I had planned on making a rather large smoke house, and salt is readily available, however, for fish, the best thing you can do is a live pool. Catch them, toss them in the live pool, fish them out when you're ready for them. Also gotta make sure to feed them.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:13 No.13333928

    I strongly agree that boats will be very important.

    On another note, I can see us surviving off of the inter-coastal fishing areas around the island for a time. There have to be shoals and small saltwater ponds or lakes.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:13 No.13333937
    Live pool? I worked at a frog farm during my freshman year in college. You give me frogs and a place to keep them alive, I'll give you a reliable production of meat, bait and lures.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:14 No.13333943

    Chum and animal parts / waste. Won't be hard to feed the fish. Good idea- reminds me of Hatchet.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:14 No.13333949
    Nice improvision. Looks like I'm never getting a shower though :(
    Bah doesn't matter. The ocean and a bar of soap is all I need.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:16 No.13333960
    Top earners get the solar showers at their warmest. My best pals get access to my own solar bathtub. You bring soap and a good idea, I'll provide you with quality bathing areas.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:16 No.13333973
    Thought I was the only one.
    Thanks for reminding me to bring that.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:17 No.13333977
    If its cool with the collective ITT, could we temporarily namefag up and identify ourselves by our relevant skills and experiences?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:19 No.13333998
    Yay :D No trench foot
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)01:20 No.13334003
    Since we're all talking about guns, I will throw in my .12 gauge shotgun, and a bag of shells. I have forgotten about how many their are, but it is a mixture between slugs and scatter shots. I suppose this would make well for hunting.

    Socks, tons and tons of socks. A good few pairs of boots. Fuck your feet up, and you're grounded. general clothing otherwise.

    A few bic lighters, matches, strike anywhere. Man needs fire, I'll bring a torch. A few camp-size propane tanks, and a top-mount mini burner. A decent kettle to boil the lake water into fresh drinkable water.

    A screw driver, an axe, a shovel, and a bag of at least 1000 screws. A manual drill/auger.

    Oh, a few water-resistant notebooks, and waterproof pens. We're going to need maps!

    Finally, tin and stainless steel plates, utensils, and cutlery. The rest of the weight will be distributed between ass-wipe and Sham-Wows!

    >Captcha Journal Ponall
    Why yes, captcha, I will be bringing a journal!!
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:20 No.13334006
    OP here, I got into Survivalism because of Hatchet. It's one of my first loves in the literary world. And yes, the live pool is an expanded idea from it, however, I've learned from working at a Salmon hatchery and live pool farm that it's not that easy of a task.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:22 No.13334021

    I feel some of the best ideas are going to come about by re-inventing things we take for granted. Things that come to mind: penicillin, alcohol, soap, clothing, leather, weapons, metal, electricity, and agriculture.

    I'm familiar with everything except leather and weapons. I could help get ahold of the materials needed for both but the skills are beyond me right now.
    Anyone else have any other ideas?
    >> Harry Dresden 12/30/10(Thu)01:22 No.13334022
    Feel Free anon, I guess I'll use mine as well.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 12/30/10(Thu)01:23 No.13334026

    Yeah, but we're not breeding the bastards, it's just to keep them fresh for a few days once we haul them off the boats. If we have a rolling pool of stock it means that we can let our good days and bad days of fishing soften each other out.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)01:23 No.13334030
    good idea
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:24 No.13334033
    Worst case survival handbook and ilk
    every goddamn encyclopedia and instructional book I can get my hands on
    summer and winter clothes
    Sleeping Bag
    Art of war
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)01:24 No.13334037
    I can make most of the things on that list, including tanning the leather and making the weapons. Keep in mind, it won't be a 20,000 fold katana or a modern pistol, but with the right tools and time I could make a nice flintlock or such, as well as black powder and other propellants.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:24 No.13334042
    Does anyone know the approximate parallel of this island?
    From what I can see it looks like it is subtropical;the location makes a large difference in the weather,
    climate and general ecology. I, for one, would not want to be on a subtropical island during monsoon season.

    Also, what demographic links all of the people that will be transported to this island? Knowing that would give us a rough estimate of how many people are going to be there with us.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:24 No.13334045

    Great thinking on the screws and the auger/screwdriver and the writing materials.
    +1 survival point

    Captcha: use jackpies
    Why didn't I see it before? We must use jackpies.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)01:25 No.13334056
    You'll be amazed at how quickly a pool of fish will use up their oxygen. I suggest making a wind based respiration pump. It'd be pretty simple.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)01:26 No.13334059
    Leather? My gf can work with it, and was raised on both cattle and horse farms. She's tanned a pair of boots for her step-mother, so she's definitely an A-list celebrity on any island with tannable animal hides. As for weapons, what weapons I can't produce via metalworking I am certain we could have on hand, plus my own revolver and (if I am lucky) my neighbor's shotguns.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:27 No.13334071
    If the selection pool for the chosen is international... like I said earlier- I know mandarin.
    Also, OP mentioned monsoon season in the original post. We're going to need shelter.
    Could be worse than subtropical, though- could be in subarctic...
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:27 No.13334074
    Posessions: Several knives, knife sharpener, backpack, canteen, heavy chisel, rubber-headded mallet, a shitty sword I'd bring for scrap metal incase we end up with someone who actually knows how to smith, several books on philosophy and one of Poe's works, a huge permenant marker, pens, pack of blank notecards, folding chair, exacto knife, extra blades for exacto, dentist tool I use for greenstuffing models, crown royal sack of dice, copy of deathwatch, folding handsaw, squeeze-powered flashlight, boxes of nails and various-sized screws.
    Skills: Jack shit all, but I'm a fast learner.
    Tactics: I'm a fairly mellow personna who gets along with others pretty easy, so I'd offset my lack of knowing jack shit useful skills by attaching myself to someone who knew their shit.
    Ideas: round up a couple guys who know their shit so we can get a proper basecamp going and evolve it to some gilligan's island levels of livability.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:28 No.13334083
    even thats overly complicated it would be easier to cordon off a section of river with sticks
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:28 No.13334087
    Keep with times, no one has a problem with it. ;D

    If anyone could bring a net or mesh, we could just rig up something in the water, preventing the problem all together.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:30 No.13334106
    Consider the climate like a Pacific island, there is no specific location. The demographic is everyone who regularly uses /tg/.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)01:30 No.13334109
    Skills: I lift things and have a vast bank of mostly useless and odd knowledge that may or may not help.
    Items: I'm >>13333712
    Ideas: I tie a few good knots so maybe we can build a nice professional tent out of some unused cloth and plant fibers.
    Tactics: Buddy system, everyone armed with at least a knife. If you don't got one, get one or mooch off of some one else until you can get a nice sharp rock. Sleep in shifts always.
    >> Frogpondanon 12/30/10(Thu)01:30 No.13334114
    Frogs. Cheap to feed, easy to maintain and breed like lightning. If you need to keep fish alive, build a small inlet with a choke point and set down a barricade. Use bamboo to make a screen.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)01:32 No.13334135
    We're going to go directly from Castaway to Gilligan's Island to Jules Verne's The Mysterious Island in around two, three weeks, tops.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:33 No.13334140
    Due to a realization I just had... I'm now going to bring some small children's books.
    It's definitely a possibility that children will be had (but- jeezus - imagine the fight for the few women who will be on our island....) so we should have some means with which to teach them the alphabet and literacy.
    A hand held chalkboard sounds like a good idea as well.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)01:34 No.13334153
    Zip-lock/trash bags, thousands of them. We need to keep as much shit waterproof especially the clothes and food that water fucks up.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:34 No.13334155
    Frogs probably won`t work at all since this a tropical Island and real world diseases are a problem so Chytrid fungus will probably be present
    >> Anvil 12/30/10(Thu)01:34 No.13334163
    Frogs are pretty good eating too, though, it'd probably be best to only use them as just a supplement to our diet, unless we have a SHIT TON of frogs.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:35 No.13334168
    I bring nothing, not even clothing. If you can't rebuild society entirely from what you can scavange in the wilderness, what sense of accomplishment is there?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:35 No.13334173
    just ask all of Europe after Rome fell
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:37 No.13334190
    My dad actually collects masterwork bastard swords, so I'd probably steal those; I figure I should be able to barter them off to weeaboos in exchange for actually useful supplies.
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)01:37 No.13334199
    Abilities: I am a good improviser. Similar to Jury-Rigging, in a sense that I intuitively know how to take simple materials and make something nifty. I am quiet, and I generate little noise when I walk (I trained myself to do this so people can't sneak up on me.) In my youth, I paid attention to odd details such as perspective, draw distance, and a general study of the laws of physics.

    Quirks/ Skills: I wrote all my ex's notes for Horticulture. I remember enough that I can identify which berries and roots you can eat, and which you best avoid, or use for bait. I know that if you don't separate the outer plant for potatoes when harvesting, it creates a deadly poison. So, this can be used well against predators, by stashing poisonous potatoes inside other foods. Don't eat the predator, you'll be poisoned.
    >> Frogpondanon 12/30/10(Thu)01:38 No.13334203
    If its present, we can kiss a whole lot more than the frogs goodbye. No potatoes, maize or corn, period. If there is a any types of frog present, there's a solid chance that it is either absent and unlikely be a concern or they're one of the species group which are not devastated by it.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:38 No.13334205
    Fungus and zip-lock bags.... duly noted.
    Again, I'm thinking that the methods for developing penicillin and alcohol for disinfecting will be near invaluable.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)01:39 No.13334217
    Unless you were trained in the wild from childhood, odds are you're gonna die or come crawling back to us within a couple days.
    You most likely don't know/have the signs, methods, tricks, or willpower to survive so why take the risk?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:40 No.13334221
    >Large montain cats on tropical islands
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)01:40 No.13334225
    That's a handy idea, which puts me in mind of making shelves and basic chests for storage purposes. We can set them on cheap stands for space-saving and maintain a solid base for privacy by someone (I'm looking at you, Wal-Mart shoppers) to grab a bunch of padlocks and hasp assemblies, so we can make secure containers.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:41 No.13334234
    Glad to see another who is well versed in horticulture.
    Yes, potato and tomato are both in the same family as the deadly nightshade.
    However, it seems unlikely we would see either as they are endemic to Central America.
    Much more likely to see more tropical fruits and a variety of nuts.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)01:42 No.13334242
    It seems you missed the part where I am a Distiller/Brewer, I'm training to be a Master Mixologist specializing in distillery. You'll have booze, antiseptic, and Ethanol. I'm also a trained chef.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)01:42 No.13334243
    You see a wild cat, I see a great rug and future coat. Those bones could be used to good effect, if we want to make cheap boobytraps for security and I've always wanted a gigantic fang/claw necklace. I figure any cats we find on the island will have never encountered a firearm before, or after we're done with them, ever again.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)01:43 No.13334244
    At least keep the best for yourself. You have no idea how ferocious the wildlife may or may not be.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:44 No.13334257
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    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:44 No.13334262
    Heh. If this island is subtropical, all we need is someone who knows how to weave in order to make a net: palm fiber is awesome. Also, I would probably bring some Cannabis Sativa seeds - hemp is pretty high on the list of "plants that are useful for pretty much everything" as it grows fast, is hard to kill off (there's a reason it's called "weed") and provides a huge number of functions: the seeds can be eaten or used as bait, the seeds also contain an oil that oxidizes on contact with air and the fibers of the plant are so diverse and strong that they can be be made into very durable rope or even woven together to make cloth. I don't even smoke marijuana and Cannabis Sativa is my favorite plant.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)01:45 No.13334265
    Look at the colorized. There's a mountain and there could very well be any thing up there so be on your toes
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)01:46 No.13334279
    Then I'll be sure to bring an assortment of seeds, and bulbs that thrive well in a moist and boggy climate. An alternate idea is to bring several plastic trays that will grow tomatoes inside improvised greenhouses. The soil should be rich enough on the island near the lake to dig up and use for planting small farms. Chop down some trees, and just hack away at them to make bark chippings to lay on the ground as to avoid having the soil wash away during rain storms.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:48 No.13334292

    I didn't miss anything. All of those items will be near invaluable. Your status on the island will be secured... lol.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)01:48 No.13334293
    I'll admit its a handy plant, hemp, but we're invariably going to wind up with people who figure smoking it on guard duty is a swift plan. To that, I indicate the fate of every idiot in every horror movie ever who smoked weed instead of doing something important they should be.

    Good for a calmative, I suppose, but not for entertainment. My skills and tools won't be part of Weed Is Now Legal So We Should All Smoke It Village, thank you.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:48 No.13334294
    >>13334244 implying swords are any good in dealing with wildlife
    If a wild boar is close enough for you to hit it with a sword, you are already dead. Guns, bows, spears; all would be better choices.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:48 No.13334295
    I have nothing worth bringing other then food and clean water, so I would probably spend the hour cooking and salting the meat in my freezer and filling my eight canteens with clean water.
    I guess I'd also bring a few kitchen knives, some silverware, one medium sized pot, some small towels, and some blankets.
    All of this should weigh less then 20lbs, and fit in the one big bag I have.

    Once I got there I would run away from the rest of you idiots as fast as possible, because you seek to enslave me.
    After that I would probably eat my food, be depressed, and then die when I either ran out of food or was found by slavers.

    The truth is that this might sound good, but the situation is shit unless you have expensive equipment to make it bearable.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)01:48 No.13334298
    I'm bringing not only hemp, but marijuana, Salvia Divonorum (My Favorite plant) and a host of other seeds, including spices and vegetables, as well as potatoes, my favorite and versatile food. Alcohol, Dinner, and a easily grown plant all in one!
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)01:49 No.13334305
    Gonna bring my boots, compass, knife, some bags, a tub, my gun, boolets for said gun, and all the smaller sort of stuff we'd need for survival.
    My only good skills are carpentry, rhetoric/charisma, and a love of adventure. So... exploration I suppose. Welp, time to head off into the jungle, only to die of some hideous disease/animal/plant an hour later.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)01:51 No.13334323
    You aren't vary good at dodging are you?
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)01:52 No.13334328
    I'm wary of the drug plants as well. It would quickly spiral into a drug war-type scenario. I'm sure of it.

    I hope your faith in your farming skills is well-deserved.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)01:53 No.13334338
    You aren't dodging a boar. Trust me, I've dealt with quite a few. Be smart and trap it, or kill it from a tree. Even if you kill it first, chances are you're going to get a few nice injuries, and infection is a bitch to fight on a tropical island.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)01:53 No.13334341

    Skills: General Outdoorsmanship (Suited for Canadian forests, but could possibly transfer over), Marksmanship, Hunting, Multiple Languages, Combat Training (Fuck yeah Reserves!). I'm sure there's more I just can't think of at this exact moment.

    Possessions: 30-30 Lever Action with plenty of ammo. On top of that, fill my ruck with clothing and a spare pair of boots. Strap my knives to me and generally just treat it like a day in the field, only without my tac vest or C7.

    Ideas: Eh, No ideas really. I'd generally just like to try and make sure that a good moral code is installed in the society that develops. Other than that I don't really care.

    Tactics: Live off the land for as long as possible. My French Canadian uncle taught me to survive in the woods, and I'm sure I can transfer that over to some sub-tropical jungles. And whatever he didn't teach me, the Army filled in. Even once society is established, I'll live like the fur trappers of yore. Trapping and trading from settlement to settlement.

    Man, now I want this to actually happen. Sounds like a ton of fun.
    >> Anvil 12/30/10(Thu)01:53 No.13334343
    Well, we could easily use the metal of the swords to fashion spears, especially if it's good quality metal, or a number of useful items.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)01:54 No.13334352
    You randomly keep marijuana seeds at your house but don't smoke?
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)01:56 No.13334371
    I've lived in the south and a farm most of my life. I know my plants well. As a chef, I've had the major herbs and plant grow cycles beaten into me.

    I'll have Basil, Rosemary, Thyme, Oregano, and Garlic up an running in a month, Saffron within 3 months, and the rest within 4-6. Also, Cinnamon bark and birch if we can find it. Who wants mass quantities of root bear?

    I'm not worried about over-indulgence. I'm providing most of the inebriating substances, and I'll cut people off before they can even consider becoming a problem for the community.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 12/30/10(Thu)01:56 No.13334375
    No, that's not it. You've never seen an angry boar or you wouldn't even say that. Boars are legendary at just never fucking dying, and will gleefully ruin your day. I mean, hell, boar spears were specifically invented so that when you inevitably failed to kill the fucker when you stabbed it you could at least keep it a distance away so it can't mangling you to death and then run away with your spear still in it.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)01:57 No.13334377
    Haven't really dealt with one ever but if you can trap one I advise that. I pictured if he just randomly encountered it in the woods and he had a sword on him.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)01:58 No.13334393
    I don't think there will be a whole lot of fur-trading going on. Unless you count snake-skin. Otherwise I don't think there's a large herbivore, which I highly doubt. Regardless, I am more then willing to go through the jungle with a fellow fa/tg/uy living off the land.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)01:59 No.13334397
    I'd fucking love some homemade root beer
    >> Shas'o R'myr !!J5+vjygjQuK 12/30/10(Thu)02:00 No.13334412

    But root beer is disgusting.

    >balance Stieska
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:01 No.13334414
    Birch Beer, and Birch infused Vodka is delicious, and Sarsaparilla is easy to make.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)02:01 No.13334426
    A new suggestion for consideration:
    >Privately operated business concerns

    Notably, this is something to be set up after the community's needs for hot water, shelter, reliable food supplies, gardens, plumbing and defense have been made, so hold off for a moment.

    Would we be able to reasonably support a dining establishment, or would be best to maintain group cohesion through shared meals?

    Would we be able to maintain a bar or beverage sales point, or would it be best to keep it a personal trade commodity?

    Would we, at some reasonable point, have a "general store", with sales of individual goods made/modified/produced by residents going towards separate financial equivalencies?

    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)02:02 No.13334432
    would anyone care if I tried cannibalizing somebody from /co/'s island if we found means of sailing? I just want to try human ONCE, I swear.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:02 No.13334434
    You poor delusional soul :<
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:03 No.13334440

    Eh, I just meant living like they did. Nomadic lifestyle and whatnot. Maybe have a small cabin if it came down to it. I think we'd be a necessary group at the beginning of things. We'd be the explorers and cartographers of our young organization, discovering the island and figuring things out. After people spread out and established themselves, we might become less common, but in the first generation we'd definitely be needed.

    And if you wanted to join me you're more than welcome. As long as you can pull your weight and know your way around the woods I'd happily take a companion or two. I'd like to see a lot of us, actually.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)02:04 No.13334452
    ... wow ...

    My only recommendation is to ask for a voluntary donation arranged prior to someone's death. I mean, if I died, I doubt I'd care if you took a chunk out of say, my thigh, and cooked it up. I don't hold to any religious problems, but any social concerns are going to be allllllll you, buddy. My gf, for example, likely doesn't hold to that kind of thinking, so you're likely to have to keep wary around her, if you so choose to gnaw on my remains. Fair warning is fair.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:04 No.13334454
    That probably comes after the first solid year of survival. No point in getting ahead of ourselves if we can't even support a small community yet.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:05 No.13334463
    It comes down to economics.
    Which economic theory works best in practice?
    A diluted form of capitalism. But, unless we set up a form of government (I vote for a republic or democracy!) we should just go for straight capitalism. It will fill everyone's needs for greed and promote the general good. Adam Smith argues this very well and I believe in most of his arguments.

    Shared meals can be okay though. Like a community potluck every once in a while.
    But when it comes to business.... capitalism. The useful survive.
    >> teka 12/30/10(Thu)02:05 No.13334466
    I will bring what i can.

    And as soon as i am able, i will build Board-chan.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:06 No.13334467
    Shared Meals would be the best thing, especially since it's easier on the kitchen crew and no one gets to bitch "They're eating better then me!" If they are, that's because they did it on their own damn time.

    My liquor will be individual trade mostly, and those I don't want to deal with won't get it. Those I won't deal with are; Those who will use it as an escape and shirk their duties, those who are too dependent, and those who cause trouble. We may do a Tavern at some point.

    General store is a yes. It'd be a great trading post, but it would have to be a not for profit store, people making their living without doing physical work to help the community aren't needed. Potters, weavers, fishers, and hunters are all more valuable then a shop keeper. Perhaps it should be 1 person each weeks duty to tend the store, or something to that effect.

    Prevent favoritism and fraud.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:07 No.13334479
    Wouldn't mind. I'm Christian but not apeshit crazy as some of you would picture one. So by all means take a chunk out of my side. My only request is you leave my head and its contents alone. And don't pig out.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:08 No.13334489

    I'm going to sound like a fanboy, but Communism is our best bet early on.

    It's perfect for small communities. So is direct democracy. Once you start taking these concepts on a larger stage, that's when the problems start appearing. But the numbers we're talking about? We'll be golden. Once everything is established, we can transition into a more current system. But otherwise I'd stick to a tribal system of support and trade. All for one and one for all and all that stuff.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:08 No.13334490
    Another thing...
    What happens when the first generation has children (if they have children)?
    What will be the direction in their lives?
    That's where religion comes into play. They're going to want to know how we all got on this island. Who put us here. Why the world they can see and understand is so small.

    So, what will it be? Atheism? Christianity? Buddhism? Scientology?

    >> Anvil 12/30/10(Thu)02:09 No.13334496
    There's a few people who've said they plan to off themselves or wonder off into the jungle in die alone. That said, survival is a pretty strong instinct to most people, but there would probably be some who'll manage to actually die.

    I knew there was something wrong with you.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:09 No.13334497
    We decided on a direct democracy, Grassroots based, 1 person, 1 vote. No elected officials and career politicians. There's a chance that there will be a voluntarily elected council to hear the public, create ballot and rule on it, as well as for trials, we'll see how that goes.

    I myself am an anarcho-capitalist. I say whatever you do on your own time for profit and trade is yours. I respect individual property if you aren't being a festering tumor in the community.
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)02:10 No.13334500
    It's not difficult (though STILL illegal for god-knows-why) to get Sativa seeds that have a very low THC yield - most Sativa grown for industrial (not recreational) purposes has a rough average THC content of 0.3% whereas Sativa grown to maximize THC content has much smaller hemp yield and a THC content ranging from 6-20%. Smoking industrial-grade hemp (especially when acclimatized to the "recreational" strains) would be like trying to get blind drunk on bud light instead of whiskey.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)02:10 No.13334501
    My next questions:
    Are there religions we can not permit? Trolling aside, is atheism a factor strong enough to disallow it?

    >Fetish concerns
    Let's face it - some of /tg/ have some wild ideas on women, men, sexual congress thereof and all manner of inspired, deranged and intriguing behavior between the sheets. Do we shun or embrace the furry who brings and maintains their fursuit?

    Capitalism, Communism, meritoracy?
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)02:10 No.13334505
    Excellent to hear. Don't worry, I'm a pretty good shot with a rifle. And I happen to love tropical weather. But there are going to be two beds in that cabin. Or two cabins. I'm not sure which would be easier. No matter, you will find that I'm perfectly capable of surviving in a jungle.

    We tell our first generation the truth: we were placed here by means of a power unknown to us. What/whoever they wish to attribute as being that power is quite pointless.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:11 No.13334510
    Good idea but I think a week is a bit much. There are gonna be hundreds if not thousands of people on the island, all wanting essentially a free break and best to avoid conflict and tone it down to probably switch every day.
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)02:11 No.13334511
    Alright, cool. Now, I will be honest with you. I wouldn't have any plans to simply let you perish, or even cause your perilous death simply to try human flesh. But should you feel as though a death by accident or by a natural predator to be in vain, just remember - you will always have a purpose for our survival. Bones make very strong handles for tools. Intestines, when cultured and dried make good rope (some early bows used pig intestine for the string). Skin does make good clothing, and masks. Skulls just look cool.
    >> teka 12/30/10(Thu)02:11 No.13334512
    We will teach them what we know of science and our histories. We will teach them to never accept easy answers at face value and always think. We will teach them that everyone is expected to leave the world a better place when they are gone, and help others do the same.

    Which part requires an angry beard in the sky?
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:12 No.13334520
    /tg/ism. The right to believe whatever the hell you want, and to enjoy life to the fullest possible extent.
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)02:13 No.13334521

    As for fetishes, same as my current standpoint. If people don't throw it in my face, I don't care.

    Also, since everyone else in this thread has a name I'll take one too. I'm the Canadian guy who wants to be a fur trapper.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:13 No.13334524
    The part where you are burned at the stake if you don't include it.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:13 No.13334528
    The beard does not have to be angry. Sometimes, it can be a mustache of kindness.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:14 No.13334533

    Depending on how long we survive (which, based on likely nutritional intake I don't see longer than a few decades) it WILL matter what we tell and teach them (if there are enough to support a population at all) in the long run.

    Ah well. I probably won't want to fight over the women and have kids anyway so screw'em.
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)02:14 No.13334534
    but good luck getting people to agree on what exactly (as some people WILL insist on defining) constitutes "being a festering tumor in the community".

    I don't mean to rain on your parade, I'm just playing devil's advocate
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:14 No.13334536
    Skills: I'm a very well versed outdoorsman. I go camping several times every year, doing a lot of "high adventure" type trips such as backbacking, traveling to the Boundry Waters, snow camping (What can I say, once a Boy Scout, always a Boy Scout), etc. I survive as a hobby and can cook a decent meal out of most anything we'll find in our situation. I do a lot of mechanical work, so I know my way around machines, tools, and construction (Finished building my porch this summer). I go to a gun range every now and again. I'm a decent shot and know my way around cleaning and maintaning guns. Never been hunting, but I've read all about doing so, and I've set up a fair amount of animal traps in my day. My friends and I screw around with shit that combusts, and from that screwing I've amassed a bit o' knowledge of practical chemistry. I can garden, plant, and tend to things we grow. I'm great with first aid; I also know CPR. I cook (My family ran a catering buisness for 30 years) all the time, my particular specialty being baking. More to the point, I know how to make a decent loaf of bread by heart with anything that we can make into flour, so there's a staple food right then and there. If there's something I'm not good at (Out of useful skills sailing is one of them), just point me to the guy who knows his shit and I'll help in any way I can. I know my way around knots.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:15 No.13334539
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    Updated this a while ago but had no thread to post it in. The white bits are mountainous areas, if you can't tell. I'm not so good with maps.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:15 No.13334540
    Sounds good but I at least want a proper burial so that rules out skin and intestines but feel free to take my bones eventually.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:16 No.13334546
    If all else fails, turn to Hobbes, and seek wisdom from the leviathan.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)02:16 No.13334547

    On the non "practical" side of everything, I'm a generally nice guy that you can get along with, if you don't try too hard to piss me off, that is. I know my fair share of funny stories to tell around the village. I'm a fairly talented musician, playing sax, violin, and singing. I like to act, as I'm sure plenty of my fellow fa/tg/uys do. If there's something I don't know but need to know, I'll learn fast from whosoever is willing to teach. I'm not a rapist and I don't have murderous tendencies, so it's safe to say that I won't be comitting any "that guy" crimes. I tend to run my mouth a bit and go off on tangents, so if you need to tell me to shut up every now and then, you're more than welcome to.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)02:16 No.13334549
    Pretty sure we could find or bring better materials, but thank you for the contribution. As for my post-mortem arrangements, I'd prefer to be buried away from camp, near a hilltop and overlooking the oceans to the north. Barring that, burned to ashes and scattered in a field.

    I'll include something in my will about donating a foot to you. Make polite use of the bones, if you must and dine well.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)02:17 No.13334557

    Ideas: First establish the essentials: Sleeping area, food area, crapper area, etc. Set up a damn dining fly, for fuck's sake! Keeps you dry and in the shade during meals. Then we set up tents/shelters/etc. Grab us some firewood and plenty of water to get started. Once we have this barebones base camp established, break off into teams based on skill sets to scout out our area, get some grub, improve our campsite, etc. If anything Boy Scouts taught me aside from knots it was that a duty roster works wonders. We establish who's doing what, when. This way no one group gets stuck with the crap jobs all the time and we can share in any needed misery. Entertainment needs to be a priority. Not as much as food and shelter, but living without fun isn't living, it's existing. We need to put aside time for screwing around, playing music, telling stories, reading, fornicating (If the interest exisits, of course), etc. A healthy body goes well with a healthy mind.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:17 No.13334558
    Fetishes will stay in the bedroom (Or the stable depending on what you're into) I'm into some kinky stuff, but I'm not going to flaunt it in public.

    No religion shall be barred, however extremism shall be. I myself am an atheistic Buddhist, so, no, I won't be enacting anything against any one group.

    Government, my vote is for an anarcho-capitalist republic, controlled by direct democracy.
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)02:18 No.13334562

    I wasn't suggesting we room together. Just that that's all I want for myself. Nothing terribly special, just a hunting cabin to use as a base camp of sorts. I'll probably end up complaining about the tropical weather, so sorry about that. Otherwise though I think we might make a good team. As long as you can tolerate/understand a French Canadian accent every so often when I get caught up in the moment.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:18 No.13334563
    uploaded a fully colorized version earlier so it seems your work is a bit redundant.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:18 No.13334569

    We have mountains, large inland lakes, and an overall large amount of land to settle.
    REWARD shialts
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)02:19 No.13334570
    Also fellow fa/tg/uys I propose that the stone upon which the strange inscription is written on should be the center of our city/village/town. If only because the foundation of our community should be a solidarity and commitment to help each other prosper. I believe the stone would reinforce the necessity to do just that quite nicely.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)02:19 No.13334575

    My list was too long, so I put it into Pastebin.


    Still under 500 lbs, I believe.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)02:20 No.13334582
    I second this idea.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:21 No.13334589
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    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)02:21 No.13334590
    Then we should all gather around and establish burial rites, and requests as though they would be our last. I won't be a bother to those who wouldn't want their bodies pilfered for material. I would gladly give someone a proper, intact-as-possible burial, and pray for the uplifting of their soul. I don't grave rob.

    But when I need to be alone, just let me wander in the forest.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:21 No.13334591
    Seems good. No objections?
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:21 No.13334593
    Accorded by OP, so let it be written, So let it be done, I was sent here by the chosen ones.

    Insert kickass guitar solo.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:23 No.13334607
    I don't own a gun, but I know where I could grab one. I'll bash the box's lock once I get there. I own knives, fire, and duct tape. Between that, a medkit, and some all-weather gear, I'm pretty much good. Nothing to do but fill backpack upon backpack with books.Field manuals will fill in the myriad of stuff I don't know about survival and other than that it's largely up to what I want to grab.

    Other people will fill in for what I didn't remember. Why not make sure they have some good fiction to read?
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:23 No.13334615
    seems kind of unfair for /trv/ to have one of the smallest
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:24 No.13334621

    So it shall be.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)02:25 No.13334624
    Okay.. we've covered basic survival gear, supplies for building stuff, electricity production, government, work groups, skill organization, boats and navigation, religion, sexual fetishes, burial practices, cannibalism and we have yet to technically go off topic.

    What. The. Fuck.
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)02:25 No.13334626

    Have you been to /trv/? It's the slowest board I've ever seen in my life.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:26 No.13334637
    I'm very excited about the prospect of island hopping in this archipelago. If one looks at the fullsize map one can see an easy route to the mainland (/b/.... ahgawd) and then anywhere from there.
    Interesting prospect to elect traders / diplomats and get a regional commerce going.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:26 No.13334638
    Their island rates about 750 square kilometers. It's not that bad.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)02:26 No.13334639
    It seems that water travel will be necessary, if not to visit other islands to explore our own and make fishing easier, no doubt.


    With a few skilled woodworkers, we could easily build a small fleet's worth of these puppies in no time. Given, we're not working from a clean sheet of wood, but we can work something out.
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)02:27 No.13334648

    I kind of know how to play them, if you want me to try...
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:27 No.13334652
    Also if every can fill the rest of their unused weight with d batteries and everyone bring your favorite CDs, I'll bring the radio.
    >> Anvil 12/30/10(Thu)02:27 No.13334657
    I suggest we add our own messages to the stone or at least add our mark to them.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)02:28 No.13334660
    I've been thinking about the First Generation /tg/. And it occurred to me of a wonderful idea: Shamanism. We're surrounded by nature, with the natural world influencing us so directly, so shamanism would be the natural route for us to take. That and I think we could get a rich tradition of oral history going. Even if we don't need it, it would produce some culture for us, and we want /tg/ to have SOME good culture.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:29 No.13334681

    I'm sure we'll invent a shitload of lore and mythology. I have a one book-encyclopedia about real world mythology and religion that I'll bring. Oh the stories we'll craft and tell.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:30 No.13334683
    Yes but their whole deal is to travel and see what the world has to offer and some of them are dedicated /trv/elers
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:30 No.13334692
    We shall have Green Marine inscribe tits. Tits everywhere. All over the stone.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:32 No.13334699
    eh, just bring an iPod - I have collapsible speakers that can run off of a solar-powered charger. I got it for my boat but I can re-appropriate it easily enough. Also, I sprang for the attached iPod charger - we're good
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:32 No.13334704
    Proving post by post you don't need other boards.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)02:32 No.13334706
    Ehhh. Not so sure I'd embrace that myself, but you're free to make friendly recruiting offers to whomever is cool with listening to it. I'd rather we kept our religious views private or involving only the other members of whatever faith or belief system applied. Feel free to work on a sweat lodge or totem in your free time with your own gear/supplies, however. But, like any religious organization on /tg/ island, I'd hope you set it aside from public areas, so as to keep the noise/odor/traffic to a minimal impact on the collective.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:35 No.13334738
    Denizens from another island(s) attack /tg/ island.

    What would we do?

    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:35 No.13334744

    With the mention of a sweat lodge, if we kludge a means to insulate it, I'd start work on a sauna by the lake. That would make this whole ordeal a lot more enjoyable.
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)02:35 No.13334751

    So I'm going to be the redneck Quebecois, and you're going to be my spiritual Indian companion?

    This is going to be badass.
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)02:35 No.13334752
    I think it would be best for the community to practice a wellness of "Open Mindedness" and accept our individual practices and respect them. A large number of folks so far have brought up Christianity when replying to my favor of cannibalism, but would you believe me if I said I am Catholic? (I already eat the body and blood of at least ONE human!)
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:36 No.13334758
    Hmm.. with what everyone else is grabbing, I think we'll be set for tools and survival gear. I would gather/withdraw all the money I can and haul ass to kinko's / office max / wherever and print as many useful wikipedia pages as I can (and laminate them as time permits).
    Any left over weight I would use for non-perishable food-stuffs, in case of a shortage.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:36 No.13334761
    Kill all who try to take what we've worked so hard for. Capture all those who surrender, offer them a second chance, to become a part of the community, work and get fed, enjoy a good life. Or die.

    I'm not very kind hearted when people are trying to kill me
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)02:37 No.13334769

    Words to live by.
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)02:37 No.13334772

    Militia. Guerilla warfare. It's not hard to repel someone from an island. Especially in terms of the technology level that we're discussing.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)02:38 No.13334782
    I'm all for tolerance, but I also lived next to a church's choir loft for six years. Given my work schedule, any attempts I had at taking naps or trying for meaningful sleep was interrupted by Gospel singing, I took an interest in soundproofing, which worked the requisite miracles. If I could avoid it while living in a tropical island jungle, mark me down for living at the opposite end of the village from the choir loft.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:39 No.13334788

    I honestly think this is the most levelheaded of the boards on 4chan. Look at this thread- we totally have our shit together.
    We'll put together some defenses, I'm sure, we'll hold out or strike out if necessary, and we'll be victorious.
    Absolutely no unjustified violence will be permitted.
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)02:39 No.13334792
    This would be a good time to not enter my stretch of the island, as I will not be in the right state of mind to determine who is friend or foe... I shall mark my isolated location with skulls of the prey I hunted. Be warned.
    >> Welder 12/30/10(Thu)02:40 No.13334802
    Will we have a jail, legal processes, etc?
    Rule by vote?
    Death penalty? If so, who does the deed and how?
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)02:40 No.13334807

    Even though we've only got a handful of guns (Which would likely be better suited for hunting, depending on our foe), we'd really only need simple weapons and surprise.

    A bunch of crazy assholes running at your beach landing out of nowhere with sharpened sticks and you're likely to high tail it out of there, or at least be sufficiently startled for the first landing to be a failure.
    >> teka 12/30/10(Thu)02:40 No.13334808
    it will encourage lots of.. travel.

    and when we work out way up to deeper-ocean sailing tech, we need to consider making waystation ports on those islands that are halfway between us a ck, and us and co, just to ease travel in those directions.

    Heading the other way will be an arduous deep water task. Made all the more perilous by the destination.

    no, we will carve our messages, the names of the chosen ones who came here first, on stones. We stack those around the Message Stone, covering it over. The names of the newly born will be added, all in due time. We should be careful in planning, leave a gap which might one day become a tunnel, so that we can always peer in and remember the first message.

    We are the chosen.
    We will live like it.

    give it a few thousand years, the original clearing will become a stony hill with a tunnel running into it lined by the names of important people, whose stones were moved after their death to act as a reminder. Over time important stories and information will end up in here as well, cut even deeper into broad stone slabs, or cast of bright rocks formed into cement, a combination museum and mausoleum.

    The bodies themselves? burned away and scattered, blackened bones polished into useful keepsakes by family if they like.

    err.. but maybe that is a long term idea.

    In the short term, i am still going to figure out boardchan.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:41 No.13334813
    We need a work roater.

    Everyone gets one day off a week, perhaps? Not all at the same time, of course.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)02:42 No.13334828

    Given the specialized skills of certain people, at least for the crap jobs such as cleaning, policing for garbage, ditch digging, etc.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:44 No.13334841
    couldn't resist
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:45 No.13334851
    We'll have stockades,4 days in the stocks with no food will make anyone behave. Rape, Murder, and other despicable acts are death, if proven. There will be fair trials by council and jury of peers, if no one wishes to be executioner, I'm sure you'll find use for me as butcher in more ways then one...

    It's not a job I'd take pride or pleasure in, but it is a necessary evil.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)02:45 No.13334855
    Gather around young ones, and let me tell you of the Great Journey. Yes, yes, the same Journey that saw myself and dozens of others cast upon this strange land which we now live upon. For the first few months there was great chaos and turmoil as we attempted to politic and push our own agenda's. But then as the group emerged, we began to come together. Slowly but surely more settlers flocked to this mountaintop that is now our home.

    Gradually we thanked this land for it's sacrifice and the bounty it gave to us. We thanked the sea for it's fish, the clouds for their rain, and the land for being our home. We do not seek to become one with nature, we seek to become one with the community, to allow the group to prosper and triumph. Should we not, then our enemies, seeing this weakness, will strike, and divide us as we were before. And where then will the great isle of /tg/ stand? What will become of its people? They will become like grains of sand on the beach, a memory, an echo of a great possibility.

    Basically, I propose a Shamanism that embraces the different traits of the individual, but tries to put them towards a use for the group. You will not need to lose your previous faiths or identities. These identities are critical to the group succeeding. Rather then an explanation for everything, my Shamanism will try and put everything as having (eventually) the same effect.

    Essentially. Even though my family is nominally catholic, and I'm white. Oh well, things change pretty quickly. And if my only useful skill is being the best damn storyteller on the island... well, that's what I get.

    Complete and total annihilation. If they want what we have, then they can take it over my cold, dead body. Fuck the raiders, if I wanted raiders, then I'M doing the raiding. Not somebody else.
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)02:45 No.13334857
    I would say that it depends. If we are doing the "4chan archipelago" idea, I would really like to know the board attacking. If it is /k/, we fight goddamn hard. If it is /b/ we fight goddamn hard. If it is essentially any of the others we will probably win decisively and assimilate them. Also, previous contact and a timeline are needed for consideration of this situation; are we aware of the threat? Have we tried negotiation? How long do we have to prepare for a possible attack? where and what do they attack and with what means at what time? There is just too much going on to predict anything without a definitive scenario.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:47 No.13334867
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    fucking capcha
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)02:47 No.13334874
    What about an instance where two people are really getting at each other's throats? Like, the argument is about to get bloody, that situation.

    How would we resolve this?
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:47 No.13334875
    Couldn't resist what?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:47 No.13334876
    I volunteer for digging. I enjoy it, I am good at it, and I am fast. If I had a beard I could be a dorf.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:48 No.13334879
    The specialist had decided in a previous thread that they were going to hand pick those to learn their trade. After a certain time of doing so much, I'm sure they can rotate.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:48 No.13334885
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)02:48 No.13334886
    I read this, and I directly relate /k/ to the Boomers. They won't leave their island, as they want to conserve ammo! Their ammunition will no doubt become their currency.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:49 No.13334889
    Hi /tg/, /sci/ here. Just so you know, you are considered true bros on /sci/ and our /sci/entists have enough material to build a shitload of bombs so we have something worthwhile to offer.
    >> Anvil 12/30/10(Thu)02:49 No.13334893
    Basic militia training has been discussed, with a rough organization planned out. "Professional fighters" seemed to be frowned upon, as there's going to be so much work to do initially, so it will be a combined effort of everyone to defend the island.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:51 No.13334907
    /tg/, what will be done with the inexperienced and underageb&? Surely we'll have to figure out what to do with those who can't seem to help?
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:52 No.13334916
    None of the other boards are really that violent so attack is highly unlikely from anyone but /b/ and /k/... and /d/ probably but thats a different kind of attack.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)02:52 No.13334925
    In all likelihood we'll probably be like the Minutemen of the early American colonies. Part-farmer, part-fighter, all-parts awesome. We'll need to keep our weapons close at hand, but there's nothing saying you can't work and have a gun sitting on the stump next to you.

    Grunt work. Some of them are going to have some skill that could become useful. There's a lot of lifting and moving stuff we'll need done.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)02:53 No.13334929
    NEV Bible, Catechism, watertight tupperware containers, Martial arts manuals, a quarterstaff, a knife/spearhead, hand/foot claws, rope, and earth-tone clothing. If animals are allowed, I fill in the rest with a mating pair of welsh corgis and as many herd animals as I can fit. Depending on the size of the island, I choose horses instead. Make sure they're good stock. Earn my living raising animals and/or selling fermented mare's milk/wool.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)02:53 No.13334930
    Grunt work at first, to get them used to doing labor, and then retraining them for specialized tasks.
    Always and forever. You guys are welcome at our place anytime. /k/ was thinking of taking you guys though, I'd be wary.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)02:53 No.13334933

    Fresh food?

    I kid. People with no experience, skills, and the like, at least the way I see it, could be the equivalent of grips on a film set. They'd go around helping with whatever they can. The gardener needs some holes dug? The hunters need arrows sharpened? The cook needs some water fetched?

    It's all good, baby, all good.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:55 No.13334946
    Either they help or we feed them to the boars unless they're handicapped or some shit, then we can let that slide but there is a task everyone could be doing in the beginning. It's only after a well fortified community has been established that we can afford people slacking off.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:55 No.13334947

    Having lurked on /b/ and /v/ for long periods of time I see them as little threat. I see their demographics as ill-suited for the situation: a bunch of antisocial angst -ridden teenagers. Their advantage would be numbers but they lack the unity or the intelligence to make use of it.
    /k/, on the other hand, could be a problem. . .
    Regardless of who may attack us, would we build defenses? Would we train ourselves (some of you claim to have had Army experience and could share this experience)?

    >> teka 12/30/10(Thu)02:55 No.13334952
    well, we should hope to have a culture of people always ready to help out.

    Helping out in this case might mean dragging you both apart and sticking you in opposite stocks for a while. You know, let you spend some real quality time together.

    in time i will need a reliable apprentice to assist in Boardchan and maintain the archive. A noble profession to have, along with the normal duties of any other Teegean.

    You will also help in our kitchen garden, spend time in the varied trades and tasks.
    >> Arcanus 12/30/10(Thu)02:57 No.13334974
    I sincerely advise you not to do this
    eating human flesh causes all kinds of problems

    Skills; not many, I know how to cook over a wooden fire, and I know basic first aid, I can build some minor shelters with help, I have a love of learning so I will gladly learn anything anyone will teach me, I also am a fairly good scout, I know how to use guns and can shoot fairly well

    Possessions; I will be bringing my 3.5 books, dice, knifes from my kitchen (some of which are 8-10 in.), wet stone, machete, kampilans in the hope that they can be restored(handles are wood), all of my canned food, all 5 fox fire books, my boyscout handbook, computer bag, all of the keys to the kingdom series, any loose cloth I can find, machete, crowbar, alcohol, crappy sword, walking stick, socks, boots, hiking shoes, self setting clock (if we really will be having generators) lego (it will be fun), clothes, rope, nails/screws, all of my hand tools, some entertaining books

    Ideas; I will hopefully be able to work in village security sometimes (I am not the strongest but I am fast), getting a wall actually set up would be nice (I noticed that someone mentioned a Pickett but nothing on the long term), maybe get some hunting parties going as a communal meal will increase moral

    Tactics; I want to get the community up before I even think about myself so that is a priority for me, after that I will do what I can
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)02:58 No.13334994

    I think this entire thing should be thought of like the early New World colonies. We'll be forging settlements in an untamed land with very few resources.


    I missed that part and the thread is getting fairly big, it's probably hidden somewhere. Care to enlighten me on what was discussed? Who do we have training? What sort of training?
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)02:58 No.13334995

    I admire your words and attitude.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)02:58 No.13334997
    Damn... all this planning and it never gonna happen... sigh :(
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)02:59 No.13335008
    Your voicing of concern is duly noted. Alas, I simply stated trying it once. The "Shakes" begin after eating a sustained amount of human flesh. I am more than aware that human flesh can't be fully processed without that cannibalistic craving which I know I do not have. It's merely curiosity that the lawless island would not object to as our current society would.
    >> teka 12/30/10(Thu)03:03 No.13335039
    consider part of this planning as disaster preparations.

    It reminds you that you barely keep any bandaids in the house, much less any real first aid supplies. It reminds you that if electricity and water stop coming out of the wall, you are suddenly a caveman.

    So stock your nonperishables a little better. Improve that kit. keep more rope on hand. Have some tarps where you can get to them, just in case. Learn how to cook on an open fire, and make sure you have the minimal tools..

    Survival: not just for being transported to islands.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)03:04 No.13335046
    Training someone how to use a gun is quite easy. Now, the difficult part becomes how to use a gun in a group, and how to use a gun in a group well. If we're talking hand-to-hand combat, or bows? Well then we're going to be pretty well off.

    If we have to go back to basics with our weapons, then rest assured, teaching you how to win could be quite easy. The problem is that we're in a jungle, making any conventional warfare completely worthless. We'll essentially be fighting like the NVA/Vietcong, fast on our feet, hard-hitting, and BUGGING THE FUCK OUT before anybody can hit us back.

    In two thousand ten,
    We claim our isle,
    For Glory, God, and Chan,
    And all the rest will go to the Teegee Company!

    For our Isle is like heaven,
    Where we shall all be together and free,
    Or so we have been told by the Teegee Company!

    For Glory, God, and Chan,
    And the Teegee Company!

    Sorry, but I really couldn't resist. I mean, really, it was just too damn easy. And who wouldn't to have a tropical adventure in their lifetime?
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:04 No.13335047
    This will happen next time I get an unlimited wish.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:05 No.13335050
    But that lawless isle would still be composed of our current society for the first couple of generations. Also how would the habit be sustained for long periods of time when you have to kill someone, or wait for someone to die?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:05 No.13335054
    As for the economy, I'd suggest that we create a system with a simple shared food and medical system, where everyone who works in the fields or treats the sick can expect a share of the food. Farmers build and maintain essential structures between the growing season.
    But, we allow an opt out, where someone who wants to start a new enterpriselike like a forge would be given X amount of time, after which he would have to begin to pay a set amount of his products for access to the food dole and communal infrastructure and partially 'subsidize' medicine from the payment of goods we receive. (The care is free with the food dole, but the medicine used is going to cost you)

    So there, you've assured that bulk of labor stays in agriculture where it is most needed, created a basic free market system for consumer goods, and given great incentive to study medicine, which is going to both we the rarest and most valuable thing on the island for along time.

    You can sort of think of it as a very primitive form of Japanese style developmental capitalism, a basically free market system with less than gentle guidance from an all powerful central bank, in this case a food bank, making sure that our limited resources, in this case labor and time, aren't wasted.

    To government, Athenian Democracy. Simple, effective, no bullshit.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:06 No.13335065
    Two things:

    1. We should really address waterproofing our structures. More to the point, windproofing them, too. The first post mentioned that monsoon season had passed, but we'll get storms up in this bitch again.

    2. Entertainment, gents? How many musicians, storytellers, thespians do we have in the house?
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)03:08 No.13335083

    Thespian here.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:09 No.13335095
    Set /k/ against /b/.
    Problem solved.

    Besides, /k/ is to fucked on LOLS RAPE KILL BURN to actually put the infrastructure in place to sustain an invasion of anywhere. Much less in a tropical environment where disease is going to eat any invasion force alive.
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)03:09 No.13335096

    As I said before, I'm in the Canadian Infantry Reserves. I'm more than capable at bringing recruits up to a combat standard if required.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:09 No.13335103
    We're /tg/ good sir, our entertainment comes from grognardeness and dorfs. However, I myself am a musician, my ca/tg/irl is a thespian.

    And drinking, there shall be booze.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)03:10 No.13335106
    I can never hear the word thespians and not laugh

    But back on topic. Everyone bring lots and lots of tarp. It's low weight and low space so bring that shit for everything. At least 500+ sq ft per person.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)03:10 No.13335108
    Storyteller, musician, and I can act pretty well. (For a guy who's received no training at all in it.) That being said, the monsoon season is a damn big concern of ours. Not to mention the flooding, the lightning storms, or the potential for a massive tsunami following an earthquake.

    Well fuck, better hope my Shamanism can appease the world to not fuck us up too badly.
    >> Anvil 12/30/10(Thu)03:11 No.13335115
    I had been volunteered with another fellow, given our military and survivalist backgrounds to be the main organizers and trainers.

    Weapons training would greatly depend on what we end up having available and the willingness to familiarize everyone on the use of firearms, eventually placing a heavier focus on weapons like bows or, potentially, crossbows we fashion for when the ammo is gone. Along with basic military indoctrination, trying to instill a mindset of community protection and supporting each other.

    The very basic defense scheme consists of pooling what weapons we can, establishing defensive posts with rudimentary warning systems, dividing weapons and assigning watch rotations to those posts, and establishing a training cycle that facilitates the work load of the community.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:12 No.13335124
    There's a lot of talk of farming, but not a lot of talk about bringing things for farming. Saying that there is food and game available sounds like hunting and gathering material, not agricultural material.

    Everyone should probably bring at least a reasonable amount of hardy consumable crop in seed form (not too much of one type so we don't end up fucked by a parasite/disease/whatever), grab some chickens, pigs, maybe a couple calves amongst us, and horses too. A shame some of the latter would easily put us over the weight limit, so maybe young ones to keep it down. It would certainly be hard to keep them fed at first though.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:13 No.13335127
    I was thinking digging some storm shelters may do us some good. It would be a bit of an undertaking, and certainly less of a priority than our main settlement, but something to consider.

    A few well built caves, large enough for everyone to at least lay down in, in a location away from trees and preferably on a hill, so as to avoid flooding.
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)03:13 No.13335128
    I wouldn't make this a habit. Simply if someone said it were okay to devour a portion of their body after death, then I'll try it once. After that, probably puke it up and go back to eating delicious boar, or deer.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)03:14 No.13335144

    An interesting questions I have is:
    Could we receive recruits while in the middle of this scenario?
    Think about it.
    New people are constantly coming on to /tg/. What if the voice slowly sends new waves onto the island after the first.
    We would periodically become restocked with manpower, food, guns, .... everything.

    It's a question of the construction of the scenario but I thought it would be interesting.

    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:14 No.13335145
    I have 3 chickens and a rooster, as well as large Angora Rabbits that we can bring. We now have eggs, chicken, clothing materials, and food. Sustainable as well.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:15 No.13335151

    Ooo, a friend of mine has some chickens as well. I may be able to bring a dog, too.

    Dogs, people, who's got 'em? It may be another mouth to feed, but if they're trained well, dogs could be quite useful to us.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:15 No.13335152
    As per the original experiment; Everyone else on earth who doesn't regularly come to 4chan is dead. So, no.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)03:16 No.13335153
    We should probably go easy on animals like cows or pigs. We only have so much room on this island before it runs out. And not to mention we could lose precious arable land to providing the animals a pasture to graze in. I would recommend chickens personally, they don't seem to be that resource-intensive. And chicken tastes damn good a lot of the time.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:16 No.13335157

    Fuck, forgot my tripfaggotry.
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)03:16 No.13335158

    Hmm, sounds interesting. What is your military experience? I'm not trying to call you on it, just curious as I kind of came in near the end of the thread here.

    Not trying to reopen that can of worms, but is it going to be a volunteer semi-permanent force? A professional group that primarily dedicates its time to soldiering? I can guarantee that will garner better results than any sort of other group. As well as serving to get people competent and capable faster and to a higher standard.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)03:16 No.13335159

    You have a good point and I've mentioned this too: agriculture is complicated.

    Most likely we'd have to pursue the varieties of vegetation that were native to the island.
    Hope for coconuts.
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)03:16 No.13335161
    Assume we've been on the island for a while and have "scoped it out". What Flora and Fauna do we find? I don't think that anyone has given an approximate parallel or even oceanic region. This is somewhat important as the flora, fauna, marine life and weather vary dramatically based on global location.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:17 No.13335165
    If they're not trained, another meal. If people are willing to spare their food for their dogs, that's fine. The town may raise and feed guard dogs, depending on what goes on. Cats are always nice to keep vermin at bay.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:20 No.13335190
    Baha, the island is very large, we have tons of room. Chicken is a good food resource, but not good for much else. With Cows, you get; Leather, Bone, Gelatin (Break the bone and boil it), Milk, and the beef it's self. Same can be said for goats and rams. Pork is good because they eat fucking anything, and taste good. Garbage disposals.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:21 No.13335201
    depending on where we are there may be wild game such as chickens and boars, so rather than having someone bring some with them and using up valuable space we could merely hunt/capture those on the isle and it should not be a problem for large and aggresive creatures if we get as many guns that everyone says they have.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:22 No.13335210

    Corn, wheat, rice, potato, beets, onions, tomatoes, peanuts, squash, bell peppers, olives, grapes, melons, carrots so on.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:23 No.13335217

    See the above post, first.

    Killing wild animals is one thing. Capturing and containing them is entirely another. Have you ever seen an angry pig going apeshit? It's not a pretty site, certainly something we wouldn't want to deal with, much less a wild, angry pig going apeshit.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:24 No.13335231
    Don't forget spices and fruits, just as useful. Things like Pumpkin can be very valuable as a fall harvest fruit. Also, a lot of tubers and grains will be found on island. Like Cat Tail roots.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)03:25 No.13335234
    Also, metals. What do we do with them? If we discover a gold, or a silver mine, what do we do with it? Hell, what do we do if we find a bunch of precious gems? Very unlikely in both cases, as islands tend to be quite resource-poor in terms of mineral/metallic wealth. But IF we got lucky, what do we do with our new baubles? They're going to tear the community apart as everybody wants some of it, but nobody wants to give it up.

    Yes, the island is huge now. And considering this is all hypothetical wish-fulfillment I can see your point. But for the sake of argument I have to disagree. The cows, they take a long time to grow up. Not to mention the amount of food and water they consume. I can't speak on the pigs as I have no idea just how much a pig consumes. Can't really defeat the leather argument, except that one cow wouldn't provide enough leather for us. Too much investment for too little reward.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)03:25 No.13335235
    My vote is for melons and anything else in the family cucumbis.
    Such plants are native to the indus river valley region and, as such, are used to tropical monsoon weather. I would think they would be a safe bet.
    Tropical fruits are also a safe bet I would assume.
    And then... potatoes.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:28 No.13335267
    >Fetishes will stay in the bedroom (Or the stable depending on what you're into) I'm into some kinky stuff, but I'm not going to flaunt it in public.
    My fetish is public sex, and I object to your totalitarian dictation.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:28 No.13335273

    Within the community, I don't think that a handful of diamonds is going to be worth much.

    Methinks that *if* things like that are discovered, the community should keep them for possible bartering with other islands.

    That said, gold is very malleable, and as such can be used for a lot of things. It also conducts electricity like a sunovabitch. I don't think /tg/ has much a penchant for gaudy jewelry regardless. Of course, I could be wrong, but bling should be sacrificed for the sake of not killing everyone.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:29 No.13335276
    Also rice.

    Lots and lots of rice.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:29 No.13335279
    My fetish is totalitarian dictation, you insensitive clod.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:29 No.13335290
    Is there a /wigger/ board we can make chains and sell them to?
    >> Anvil 12/30/10(Thu)03:30 No.13335294
    I was US Navy, where I operated nuclear reactors, I Blue-to-Green transferred with a commission to the Army Reserve when I was done with my active enlistment. I've been rugged since my childhood, despite what my career suggests, I just happen to be fairly smart too.

    The problem with professional warriors in the given scenario is the community dynamic. If a dozen of the community work dirt all day while they perceive a couple of the "gun-nuts" standing watch in the shade to be slacking, we stand the chance to break apart.

    You and I might understand the importance of what a sentry does, but we do not have the blessings of a community of entirely like-thinking people. We are a cross-section and it is exceedingly important to embrace this fact.

    The professional soldiers among us must be willing to sacrifice as we have before. We'll be looked to teach others how to defend our new home AND be contributing members to the community. Additionally, we can't count on having enough of us to do everything or be everywhere, bringing the community to a basic standard is critical to ensure our success. If that means more work at the start for people like you and me, I'm willing to accept it.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:30 No.13335295

    Ooo, friction! This is a sit-com waiting to happen.
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)03:30 No.13335297
    I would probably say that the people that hunt should be the people that form the "defense force" in addition to everyone that can providing general defense of settlements. The benefit of this is simple: successful hunters are people that can shoot accurately from a distance, know the local terrain well and have little problem killing things. Add to this the fact that they would range at least a fair distance afield and keep their eyes peeled for anything out of habit and their potential for providing some sort situational logistics and perhaps some military training and you have fucking Scout Snipers. The island is large and it seems to me more likely that any force with common sense (perhaps aggression by /k/) would land inland and move throughout the interior for an ambush. Far-ranging hunters with some sort of communication (perhaps a few two-way radios run from solar cells in a backpack?) could provide valuable warnings to the populace.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)03:30 No.13335302

    Rice is extremely labor intensive and very hard to grow successfully.

    Let's do it. gameface.jpg
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:32 No.13335321
    Have you ever used a full split cowhide? if you split that cowhide in half with a skiver, you have enough to make; Clothing, boots, a helmet, wrap a pommel, make lace, and then have left overs for whatever, for 4 people. From one cow hide. One cow is about 150 lbs of beef minimum, about 100 lbs of bone, and then organ meat, which can be eaten or used in other ways. 150 lbs of beef is enough to feed well over 250 people comfortably for a day. That's a single cow. They'll feed on usually unusable jungle vegetation and grass. Easy enough. Not to mention the fact that the feces can be used as firestarters, fertilizer, and much more, and hell, you can even grow psychotropic mushrooms with it.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:34 No.13335333
    No permanent forces.
    Period. We can't afford to be feeding someone who sits around and plays army. A rotating watch and make shift militia is just fine for this stage of development.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)03:34 No.13335336

    I'm impressed by your understanding of the problems created by community dynamics and the division of labor. I thank you for serving the US of A in real life and for serving our less-than-real scenario community.

    My input: We should strive to educate and train everyone militarily. "Military family" mindset (to promote unity), the development of both mind and body, and the appreciation of the skills associated with the military are all good things.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)03:35 No.13335337
    So I can kiss my dreams for a golden funeral mask goodbye? Damn. Very well, I believe that this is a good idea. Although we still face the risk of individuals hoarding, that would happen no matter what we did.

    A war of aggression would be quite hard to wage. Nobody has the resources or the capability to wage a protracted war long enough to really do anything important. Hell, nobody would even have a boat. I do agree with the hunters with radios, that would be nice for locating new settlement locations and new resources.

    Alright then farmer Dresden, commit to your farm. Even if I happen to disagree with it.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:35 No.13335346
    >150 lbs of beef is enough to feed well over 250 people comfortably for a day.
    I don't know what you mean by "comfortably" but I'm one person, and I easily eat about two pounds of beef in a day to be comfortable. Of course, if this is supplemented by other foods, I wouldn't need that much, but that must be accounted for in the calculations.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:37 No.13335361
    Farming it? No, I'll bring it, I'll kill it, and I'll make it fucking delicious. I was just defending those poor helpless cows from those who don't want them to come along so that I can beat them in the head with a sledge hammer, dice them up, and make tasty, tasty food out of them.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:37 No.13335374
    Rice may be hard to grow, but it's one of the best damn staples around, it will keep us strong. Especially if we supplement it with meat and fruits.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:39 No.13335388

    Well, it comes out to about 1.7 pounds per person. Say, that's dinner. Breakfast is something bread related, with lunch being some fruits and veggies, and you could have yourself a nice day's worth of food right there.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:40 No.13335399
    2/3 of a pound of beef is more then enough for the protein quotient in a day. Anything beyond that is wasteful unless you're doing something like quarrying or something massively labor intensive and muscle straining. It would be 3 full meals a day; Protein, Starch, Fruit, Vegetable, and your fatty acids you need to survive. So most likely, a Rice breakfast with some form of protein and fruit, a fish lunch, and a Fish/Beef/Chicken/Pork based dinner. Depending on the available stocks.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)03:40 No.13335400
    Stupid question time, but how do you keep the meat preserved? Unless you happen to have a bucket of salt nearby, those cows are taking up your weight allotment, and you have no refrigeration/freezer available to keep the meat cool. Unless your proposing the cows be used as the centerpiece of a feast?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:40 No.13335402
    Don't forget how valuable Oxen are as draft animals.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:41 No.13335411
    Smoking and salting.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:41 No.13335413
    what about potatoes considering they are succesfully grown in many tropical countries and originally came from south america.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:42 No.13335419
    Fuck killing it, we need to look to the future. If we have a cow and a bull, we can start a herd.
    If we have one cow, we get milk.

    Killing the cow would provide a day's worth of food, but calcium is better.
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)03:42 No.13335420
    >No permanent forces.
    >Period. We can't afford to be feeding someone who sits around and plays army. A rotating watch and make shift militia is just fine for this stage of development.

    I agree entirely, hence the fact that acting as a defense force is an auxiliary duty of people that already range out across the island with firearms, training and means of communications. Nearly all the time they will be doing nothing but hunting and their normal duties. When the shit goes down, however, those trained individuals with guns will be our first line of defense against everything from external aggression to weather warnings
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:42 No.13335425

    Ah yes, good ol' jerky. Jerky is our friend! Jerky keeps us alive during the stormy and winter months!
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)03:43 No.13335428

    You make a compelling argument, and I do concede to your point of view. I agree that bringing the entire group up to a militia standard is important. It gives us a base to draw off of and provides a general benefit for the entire society, as you have stated. I do maintain that a small group of professionals is necessary, however. Even if they just serve as teachers for the rest. Some people who are fully devoted to the idea of soldiering and can organize things for the militia. Perhaps an officer cadre or something of the sort.

    I suppose it doesn't matter. I really do intend to live like an HBC trapper with my Indian companion up there. I'd really like to see more like-minded people emerge, but as of yet nobody else has. Seems people like mutual security and avoiding the jungles.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:43 No.13335431
    Bamboo smoke house, quite effective, also a salted pit in the ground is fantastic if needed. Jerky, brine in barrels, hanging meat. All of it is a viable option.
    >> Arcanus 12/30/10(Thu)03:44 No.13335444
    you are my new best friend, I love welsh corgis
    also I was more worried about the psychological effects it can have but am less worried now after reading your further posts on the subject

    also I have found the island to be roughly 720.790583 miles long east to west measuring from the farthest points and roughly 646.22604 miles north to south
    we will not want for space for some time
    also I will now be bringing my cat
    >> Wop !i2InmLMgFY 12/30/10(Thu)03:44 No.13335449
    I'd start off by grabing my weed and seeds. I figure intoxicants would be a good tradeable item. After that a good collection of knives and a set of utensiles. A couple cooking pots, a ladle, a big wooden spoon. All the food and spices in my kitchen including the 350 lbs of Venison, turkey, beef, and game bird in my freezer.
    I'll spend the first night cooking and smoking food for the whole gang of settlers. There'll be plenty of food and alcohol. We can negotiate the price based on whatever you might have brought with you. I see plenty of things I like already.
    For weapons I'll bring my K-bar, machette, Ithica Modle 37 12 ga., Remington P51 .380 auto pistol, Remington 760 pump .3006 which each have a few boxes of ammo. I'll also bring my longbow. I have a handful of arrows, but they're not hard to make.
    Next would be useful tools. My pup tent, some thick blankts and a sleeping pad. A hammer, a bag of nails, a small saw, a whetstone, a chisel, lots of rope, an axe, a pad of paper and several pencils. Compas, ruler, 2 Decks of cards and some dice. A backpack, some tarp, High proof rubbing alcohol, high proof regular alcohol, a big bag of tobacco. Bungee cords, a whistle, a fishing rod with some hooks, extra line and weights, some empty plastic bottles, needles and thread and some lighters/matches. I'll also bring all the silver and gold I own which is mostly in the form of old coins and jewlery. Also copper
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:45 No.13335453
    Kill them at a certain age. When they're no longer fertile and before they get old and die. It won't be tender, but it will be food.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:45 No.13335458
    Potatoes are actually not that great as far as staples go. But they're still a whole hell of a lot better than nothing, and they're just about the easiest thing to grow, so we should definitely bring and plant them. If we cant get a successful crop of something better, we've got them.
    In addition to rice, oats would be a good choice for something better.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:45 No.13335462

    That said, we need to make sure we have an evaporation station (Whee, rhyming!) to have a steady supply of salt from ocean water.

    This brings up another point; id we're more inland, near a lake, and need some resources near the sea, would we set up a smaller settlement on the coast, one that checks in every few days?
    >> Wop !i2InmLMgFY 12/30/10(Thu)03:45 No.13335464
    For clothes I'll bring 5 pairs of undergarments, 4 pairs of denem pants, a range of shirts, a long greatcoat, 2 pairs of gloves, 2 pairs of combat boots, my good sneakers, a keffiyah, a rain pocho, a mexican poncho and a scarf.
    I'll set up a camp near the edge of the lake. In time I'll grow some food and weed. I'll make alcohol and use my experience with clay to make pots and such. I'll be able to fish and hunt for more food. I should be able to set up a pretty nice camp that will keep me going until I get my bearings straight in this new land. With the help of a few other prepared fa/tg/uys we could easily set up a small town with a small militia.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:46 No.13335475
    Your math is wrong. It's 150lbs beef to 250 persons, and your math is as though it were the other way around.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:48 No.13335495

    Whoopsie! Sorry about that. I'm up too damn late, again. Pardon the sudden, fleeting dyslexia.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)03:48 No.13335497
    Do what you want I suppose. Won't affect me and my cabin in the middle of a jungle.

    They have a pretty good reason. Considering the jungle is full of the stuff that wants to kill us. But then again, half the fun is the adventure of almost being killed horribly. And I'm not really Indian. More like a Colonial turncoat that supplies rifles and powder to the Indians in exchange for fur. Sweet, sweet fur.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:48 No.13335498
    Only 3 miles from the sea. It's not that far to travel.
    >> Anvil 12/30/10(Thu)03:48 No.13335499
    I appreciate your thanks, both real and imagined. ;)

    I have hope, but it's tempered with a healthy dose of experience. You can't force people into a role, sometimes even if they volunteer for it. Any over-reaching rule on maintaining a certain appearance or a strict military code to everyone is likely to fail.

    If we can establish a mindset, the simplest of discipline, and a strong attitude of success our community will thrive. Knowing, without a doubt, everyone around you can defend themselves and is ready to help you survive too puts us miles above the rest.

    We can't hope to be effective if anyone thinks they can't help.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:49 No.13335507
    More important than the recreational properties, we can make rope out of hemp. Sativa is the best type for these purposes.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:50 No.13335518

    Alright then. Good thing I'm bringing a mountain bike; that should make the frequent back and forth much easier, especially if we're hauling salt and the like.
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)03:50 No.13335519
    I walked 3 miles in the snow to get to work this morning. Yeah, no big deal.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:51 No.13335527

    Oh, fuck it. You know it's me.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:51 No.13335531
    Indica however is better for medicine, including painkillers, rather then opiates, because Poppy's are a BITCH to grow. It's also less harmful.
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)03:52 No.13335533
    So we have, for vegetable food staples

    and for other uses we have:
    -Indigenous woods

    I would personally recommend growing soy. It grows fast, is a great food staple and the sprouts can be harvested mere days after planting. I also feel that we should consider the native ecology with regards to foreign species; look what happened at Easter Island
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)03:52 No.13335544

    I know you're not Indian, but you're into shamanism and in tune with nature. It'll just be easier if we go with this dynamic.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:53 No.13335557
    Agreed, soy is also a good preserving/flavoring agent as well.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:53 No.13335559
    I know that this is a section of the crime and punishment already somewhat disscused but what would the general consensus be on those peaple?
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)03:56 No.13335579
    Elaborate please.
    >> Captain Baha 12/30/10(Thu)03:57 No.13335584
    Alright, alright.
    A thought occurs, how are we going to support ourselves, in the middle of the jungle? Getting water is going to be a chore all on its own. Hopefully meat will be easier to secure.
    >> Jemp Oakes the Manatee !GfEZiEoAM6 12/30/10(Thu)03:57 No.13335589
    I have to sleep now, but this is too much fun.

    This shit archived? I want to keep going.

    Anyone that may, feel free to drop me an e-mail.

    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)03:58 No.13335601
    would they (those not wanting to help the community) be kicked out, punished, or allowed to do their own thing with us still.
    >> teka 12/30/10(Thu)03:59 No.13335606
    for people who want to be military or people who don;t want to be military?

    i agree with this from two directions.
    look to the native plants.. what is already here that we can use or eat? Remember, people have been living on islands since ever.

    and protect the native plants.. be careful in this wild land. rampaging importated plants can break the ecosystem at the bottom just like a rampaging cat population could break the food chain at the bottom
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)04:00 No.13335617
    Who, Anvil and Irish or the aforementioned criminals?

    Anvil and Irish would be pillars of the community but I believe that corporal punishment would be, in general, the most effective. Jail would just drain resources, but a whipping for light-to-moderate offenses and perhaps a branding or tattooing for serious offenses would be in order. For the most serious crimes, the case must be carefully considered - for offenses such as rape and murder I imagine that the death penalty would be in order if convicted.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)04:01 No.13335626
    With luck, we will get a lot of underage b& to do lots of the menial labor for us so the people who actually know what they are doing can get shit done.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)04:01 No.13335628
    We're next to a rather large lake, 3 miles from the ocean. We have a huge water source, not to mention the ability to purify it.
    No food will be provided until you do your share, then if you continue, you go to the stocks for 2 days. After that, if you steal, you'll be kicked out. Repeat offenders will be slain.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:02 No.13335633
    Just disapprove of that behavior. If there's an associated social stigma, they're unlikely to continue to want to be that way.
    >> wallamazoo !r3NZBcC2gA 12/30/10(Thu)04:03 No.13335641
    Isolate the foreign and non-adaptable agriculture in trays, or greenhouses and kill off any plants that try to spread their seed outside of the containment zones.
    >> Guy The Trapper 12/30/10(Thu)04:04 No.13335645

    I figure there will be rivers and whatnot we'll be able to follow. Do a lot of canoeing? We won't just live out the rest of our lives in the woods. There will be the whole goal of mapping the island out as well as providing for the rest of society. Depending on where settlements end up, us and others like us might even be one of the main sources of communication.

    I'm sure I'm looking at this far more idealistically than I should be, but we'll be fine as nomads living off the land.
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)04:04 No.13335652
    but the problem with things like the stocks, isolation and prison is that it would prove counterproductive: keeping people out of the workforce would hurt the community at large by reducing effective manpower.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:05 No.13335660
    >with luck we get a bunch of whiny kids to shepherd
    That's not a good thing.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:07 No.13335673
    We don't have the resources for that shit.

    We're gong to have to just do what we do and hope the local ecology can take it. Most ecologies can, with only limited extinction.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)04:07 No.13335681
    It would reaffirm the need to do duties, making an example. Also; They weren't working anyways, that's the problem that started this mess.
    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)04:08 No.13335687

    Archiving now!
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:12 No.13335729
    Adolescents are easy to direct if they have a charismatic leader within their age group who wants to be helpful. I can affect a working attitude in adolescents in a week, no problem. It's what I do for a living.
    School age children are even easier, they're helpful by default, although their actual helpfulness is limited by their capabilities, and kids younger than that are more work than help.

    Adolescents will not necessarily confine themselves to "menial labor" and accept that their elders "actually know what they are doing" but they generally are entirely reasonable, and have accurate understandings of their own usefulness.

    tl;dr: Captain Brass is a faggot but so are you.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:12 No.13335731
    but the problem is that they would be angered, and depending on the person and their skills and possesions they might become a thorn in our side, and surely as a result those whom have been punished will eventually leave and found their own settlement or try to revolutionize which in our early state would be disasterous. I beleive that we should send them into exile onto one of the outer isles.
    >> Arcanus 12/30/10(Thu)04:12 No.13335733
    while I lack any knowledge or desire to become a fur trapper my wanderlust and desire to explore could have me crossing your path every now and then, after of course we get the rest of the folks settled
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)04:13 No.13335737
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    >> Irish Con 12/30/10(Thu)04:13 No.13335738

    Bottom of the page.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:14 No.13335746
    Your authoritarian bullshit is not going to help matters.

    It is also not going to be accepted by the community as a whole, and you have no leg to stand on but your own.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:16 No.13335755
    That would entail splitting the community. It is unlikely to do anything except make death more likely for everyone.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)04:16 No.13335762
    When it comes down to it, when every single strong back is needed, why would you exile someone when all that's doing is creating competition for resources, or making them a fire brand.

    Kill them, exile them, do whatever needs to be done, that's simply my view of the situation. If you'd rather throw those people away then give them a chance to see the fault they were at, that's fine by me.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:18 No.13335772
    It seems that the post which you clicked to reply to and the post to which you wrote a reply were not the same.
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)04:18 No.13335773
    Yes, but my point is this: Why would you punish someone for derelection of duty by forcibly stopping him from contributing anything for a period of time?

    I do not endorse corporal punishment for slight offenses; someone would have to do something that actively hurts the community to earn a lashing. If someone is shirking work, tell them to get back to it; if someone decides to get revenge on his ex-friend by ruining his harvest, that's a whipping because it hurts the community. Note also that smaller offenses may accrue to the point that corporal punishment is deserved; if someone chronically shirks their responsibilities and there is no other option (making them a cratsman/hunter/farmer/whatever instead of their previous profession if it is perceived that they would do better in another role), then light corporal punishment may be enacted depending on the defendant's attitude: at best he will have to make reparations and at worst he will get a FEW lashings. One, two, maybe three for severe cases. They have the lesson reinforced by pain but are not so damaged that they are removed from the workforce.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)04:20 No.13335786
    I was replying to both in kind. What is the community going to do as a whole? Slap on the wrist and allow them to continue their ways? Jail, where they will continue their ways and still be fed? Exile? or Death?

    The stocks was just a simple example I was using. The punishment would be decided by the people, but the purpose is the same.
    >> Arcanus 12/30/10(Thu)04:21 No.13335791
    sorry I am on the side of Dresden here, you obviously have no idea how effective the embarrassment of being caught doing such an act would be, plus he is right, if they weren't doing any work to begin with it won't change anything, also if it doesn't work we and do this>>13335731
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:23 No.13335803
    >What is the community going to do as a whole? Slap on the wrist and allow them to continue their ways?
    You greatly underestimate the motivational power of social stigma. In all reasonable situations, ostracization will be sufficient punishment.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)04:23 No.13335806
    I agree with your general idea, that light offenses will not be punished by severe means. However, the stocks were what was used in a previous thread, and I ran with it. The stocks cause a pain that is deeper then a lash mark, that of being hungry, tired, and cowed into remembering that you aren't the only one who's life depends on you.

    As stated; Simply how I see it.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)04:24 No.13335812
    I say a slap on the wrist for petty crime but let that be the hardest slap on the wrist they will ever receive.
    And then we just move up the pain scale from there.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)04:26 No.13335824
    I agree, there's no need for severe punishment right off. It's more when worse comes to worse.
    It depends on the person. There will be people that will withstand that trial and continue doing as they are want.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)04:27 No.13335830
    Why isn't anyone voting this up on sup /tg/?
    We need to show this to the world.
    Or at least the people that matter.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:28 No.13335836
    >sorry I am on the side of Dresden here,
    okay then you're both wrong.
    >you obviously have no idea how effective the embarrassment of being caught doing such an act would be,
    I disagree. But it sounds like you're indicating that this embarassment would be large, which reinforces my point.
    >plus he is right, if they weren't doing any work to begin with it won't change anything,
    If it changes nothing, there is no point in doing it.
    >also if it doesn't work we and do this
    If that were to be attempted, the community would be split, producing two separate communities. This would not necessarily be a death sentence, but it would not be good for our chances of survival in general.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:28 No.13335844
    I see where you're coming from there. Perhaps some sort of (stupid and easily recognizable) garment that would cause irritation initially and then pain over time? About the worst thing someone could get from something like that would be their skin rubbed away; it would cause pain and irritation suitable to the offense but last for less than a week untreated (during which time the residual pain would act as a reminder) and just a few days treated with some of our hemp oil. I like this idea...
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:30 No.13335850
    >There will be people that will withstand that trial and continue doing as they are want.
    Seems unlikely to me. If there is a person who does that, then we can safely ignore that person. If someone wants to support that person, so be it. If not, that person can shape up or starve.
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)04:30 No.13335854
    But I think all punishment should be decided on a case by case basis with a general consensus on what it should be.
    Not a "If you steal, you get whipped" but more of a why they stole, what they stole, and how the victim feels about it.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:31 No.13335856
    >Why isn't anyone voting this up on sup /tg/?
    Probably because we have these threads all the fucking time, and putting it on sup/tg/ in the first place was a mistake.
    >> Harry Dresden !fwWIzARDzM 12/30/10(Thu)04:32 No.13335861
    I believe what he meant was that it wouldn't effect the fact that they were missing from work, because they weren't doing their part to begin with. It goes with the whole "You don't work, you don't eat" that many people had voted upon.

    Just because we have differing opinions doesn't make either of us wrong or right, just seeing different sides of the same fence.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:33 No.13335870
    That goes back to the direct democracy that was decided upon
    >> teka 12/30/10(Thu)04:35 No.13335886
    kinda sorta agree.

    I just use an updater script, to make sure i have the entire thread on my screen, fully updated up until its 404. I can then read through it, create wacky screencaps or otherwise save elements or even save entire threads as htm.

    I dont need an outside archive.. hehe, i am practicing for boardchan and The Archives.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:36 No.13335893
    You are wrong because you fail to understand group dynamics and the sociological effects of punishment. It's not a matter of disagreeing, you suggest a solution to a problem which does not exist, and your solution would do nothing but cause the problem to exist and then exacerbate it to the point of a crisis.

    Luckily, you would lack the authority to enact this plan anyway, and would likely lack the inclination and resolve were the the situation to come up.
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)04:37 No.13335912
    but this one is of extraordinary quality! To counter my derailment, does anyone know if this island is volcanic? If it is, it should be plenty fertile...
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:38 No.13335925
    It is volcanic, with hot springs, but no major volcanic activity.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:39 No.13335932
    >but this one is of extraordinary quality!
    Not really.
    >To counter my derailment, does anyone know if this island is volcanic? If it is, it should be plenty fertile...
    Nobody has ever said anything definitive about this, as far as I know.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:41 No.13335951
    2nd thread, Rawk Lobster eluded to it. Since it is an archipelago, and since most of them are created out of volcanic activity or coral. Seeing as how it has a rather mountainous region, is in an archipelago, near other island formations, it's safe to say that it was created at least in part by tectonic collisions and the subsequent eruptions.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:42 No.13335958
    As far as running water, we can set up windmills and a simple wind-powered pumping system to funnel water through bamboo tubes. Let's not forget aqueducts and irrigation canals.
    If we can guarantee watertight sealing, we can bind a sequence of bamboo tubes together. forcing cool water through them will create a cooling effect, a la radiators, refrigerators, etc. rig that through an environmentally sealed area, like a heavily sealed mud hut or the like and you've got a chilled room to store perishables.

    I believe we can be up and running on steam power pretty quickly.

    We need to look into metallurgy, prospecting, smelting.
    We need to look into clay and porcelain/ ceramic firing.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:43 No.13335966
    Raku kiln;

    Hole in ground, peat, Moss, or sawdust, clay pots.

    >> Arcanus 12/30/10(Thu)04:43 No.13335968
    okay first of all I was siding with someone on the basis that you said he had no leg to stand on but his own, he doesn't I believe in corporeal punishment not saying to just out right punish people for any offense I still believe in trial by jury, and slacking off isn't a severe crime in my book as long as you don't repeat it frequently

    secondly historically when such punishments were used crime rates were low, your point however is unclear to me I apologize

    third, I see you have misconstrued my point I was attempting to imply that not punishing them would not change the fact that they are not working

    fourth, 1 person a community does not make, I am suggesting this as a community decision of last resort, I didn't intend it to be made out as a desire to found a new, Exile colony
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)04:45 No.13335984
    Hot springs? Fuck year, GEOTHERMAL ENERGY. That changes goddamn everything - we can even have steam power and running water after a time. How the hell did we miss this? Come to think of it, what's to stop us from making a mill over a stream to saw wood and generate electricity?
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:47 No.13335993
    Have to find the springs first
    >> sir derp 12/30/10(Thu)04:51 No.13336006
    huh. If we have a map of the island now, do we have a map of the island when we arrive? With an actual map we could settle fairly effectively, but with a topo map we could own the damn place in a few weeks.
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)04:58 No.13336055
    our current sources of electricity are purely solar.
    I think someone mentioned bringing a gas-fueled gennie, but the gas will run out.
    It's theoretically possible to connect the generator to a watermill or windmill, but I don't have the technical, practical knowledge of how to do so.

    Once we gain metallurgy, we can use steam power to turn turbines, which will generate our own electricity.
    >> Arcanus 12/30/10(Thu)04:59 No.13336064
    ok so we need to find hot springs, okay so they are located over or near volcanic regions, said regions will have to be active, so unless we are like yellow stone park, we shouldn't have much of a problem, I hope, my abillity to remember the finer details of how hot springs work is lost due to lack of sleep

    If I am in fact wrong we can have our explorer's report in on a sighting of them
    >> Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)05:01 No.13336076

    >> I NEED TO GO TO BED Anonymous 12/30/10(Thu)05:03 No.13336093
    sorry guys, I'm out
    >> Capt. Brass 12/30/10(Thu)05:32 No.13336245
    As am I. Good night to all.

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