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    98 KB Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)19:54 No.13165220  
    Dear /tg/

    I have a Christmas present for you. To thank you for the many years of laughter, creativity, funny stupidity, inspiration, image threads, quests and memes, I’ve put together something that a few people here have been asking for: a Blame! RPG. /tg/ is an amazing source of homebrew games and cool ideas, and your efforts have inspired me to finally finish a game that was 4 years in the making. Well, technically 3 years and 11 months of useless font tweaking and page layout OCD which distracted me and 1 month of actual writing and picture pasting. So here is my game:

    BLAM! the RPG

    This is a second draft and still needs a bit of work, but I’d say it’s 90% done. The rules are intentionally very, very simple. If you would like to contribute to it you’re welcome to do so, or criticize any mistakes. However, please keep in mind the following: I don’t really care much for game mechanics, PC balance or modeling of statistical probabilities. The story and world are much more interesting to me and that’s where I focus my energy. The rules may be completely broken. None of my RPG friends likes Blame! enough to test them out, so if you’d be willing to playtest them for me I’d appreciate it.

    For those of you not familiar with the manga upon which this is based, you can read it here: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/blame/

    For some atmospheric music and video to set the mood, check out the Blame logs:

    When I have enough feedback from you and others to finalize the written draft, I’ll do a better design & layout similar to what I previewed a month back, so the final game product should look semi-professional. In conclusion: /tg/ gets shit done.

    Thanks for reading, and I hope you enjoy your new game of BLAM!
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:00 No.13165289
    I could never get into Blame!. It was just so boring
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:01 No.13165304

    Are you autistic or is it just simple retardation?


    Thanks! I'll check it.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:01 No.13165317
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    AWESOME, I was thinking of starting a thread asking how this project was going <3

    will take a look at this as soon as my internet stops being shit.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:03 No.13165341
    not 2nd poster here, but I too didn't enjoy it much. Maybe the prospect of looking at 60 chapters worth of no text put me off.

    Reading RPG now.
    >> Asuham Boone !k9Nz7Wxe9w 12/15/10(Wed)20:06 No.13165379
    Kudos on this! Just skimmed over it some, really neat.
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)20:06 No.13165386
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    Oops, forgot the character sheet. Here it is:

    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:12 No.13165466
    Why does it skip from Level 4 to 6 in the list of safeguards?

    Also level six looks nothing like Sanakan. (the iconic l6 safeguard)
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)20:12 No.13165467

    It does have long epochs of silence at the beginning and the end, but the middle parts have quite a lot of dialogue.

    Part of the fun is the mystery and lack of context. My imagination always exploded trying to fill in the massive gaps in the narrative. Give it a second try.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:16 No.13165520
    Perhaps I will, the RPG certainly paints an interesting picture. Sort of a Paranoia with less "loltraitor" and more "literally endless, ever expanding torture labyrinth where humanity is left to rot".

    I'm intrigued.
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)20:16 No.13165524
    Is she really described as level 6? I don't recall. Do you have a page reference?

    I didn't fill in all the levels for Safeguard or SL, just some sample ones.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:31 No.13165700

    Wikipedia says Sanakan is a level six. But I can't find the exact page. You have her first form listed as a level 8 though.

    Also, level one safeguard should be called Exterminators.

    Thanks for making this though. I wanted to make a BLAME RPG a long time ago but never did.
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)20:31 No.13165702
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    If anyone has any good writefaggotry for Blame that's something I haven't gotten around to yet. A short story would be a good addition to the RPG.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:33 No.13165729
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    kick ass man. Blame! is one of favorite cyberpunk series. very cool. can't wait to check it out
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:34 No.13165748
    just finished reading the RPG, I guess I'll start reading the manga tomorrow

    I'd start now but it's close to 3am

    gj op
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)20:37 No.13165773
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    >level one safeguard should be called Exterminators.

    I know they were referred to as that but I felt it was more appropriate to have labels that reflected their behaviour or shape, and the Level Ones run around on all fours. That can be changed if people strongly object to it.

    Within a game framework I think Sanakan would have fluctuated in level, and I didn't want to describe the Safeguard using unique characters. They're a monolithic organization and doubtless have millions of standard models.

    The denizens and locations are not meant to be exhaustive, merely sampling some of the possibilities. If anyone wants to feel free to write up more SG, SL or unique characters. There are half a dozen SG I didn't include yet.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:37 No.13165776
    Also I'd make the Gatekeeper level eight. Remember this thing required Sanakan and Killy together to kill it.

    As for the Menschegager? It's a clone of killy and the thing that finally killed him. It should be much higher than 4.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:37 No.13165785

    it's not for everyone i guess but i thought it was amazing.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:39 No.13165808
    Well my point is she started as level 6. I'm not talking about unique charicters, I'm talking about generics.
    >> Blackheart !!d+z47tvchVl 12/15/10(Wed)20:39 No.13165811
    Oh Blame!, if only you didn't kill my favourite female character like that... I'd give you a 11/10. But like this I can only give you a measly 10/10 rating.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:40 No.13165820
    goddamn that whole scene confused/entertained me. the end was ridiculous, but in a good way.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:40 No.13165831
    which character was that?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:43 No.13165860
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    Delicious. It's the best Christmas present I got in years.

    >> Blackheart !!d+z47tvchVl 12/15/10(Wed)20:44 No.13165866
    A certain important female lass that had a looot of screen time. I do not wish to spoil.

    If you really want to know...


    (On an unrelated sidenote, the lack of Blame hentai is disturbing, a single picture is all I found!)
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:44 No.13165875
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    Damn good job, I've been working on one myself based on Dark Heresy.

    Here was some interesting stuff I based mine one if you are still looking to add anything to yours, but it looks pretty functional right now.

    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:45 No.13165891
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    Blame! Academy rocked man
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)20:46 No.13165910
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    Noted.I'll investigate and change if necessary. Thanks for the feedback.

    I made the Man hunter only Level 4 because a) he went down pretty easy, b) he caught Killy in an ambush at the end of his strength, c) I needed some lower level SG to fill out the ranks. They can't all be high level, and the ranks are not clearly delineated in the manga anyway. Artistic license. ::)
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:47 No.13165918
    Good point. Anyways, can I help with this project? Maybe update the list?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:48 No.13165926
    oh man, i totally agree with you.
    that part at the end...


    when she's like "Killy will save me..."


    man, that was heartbreaking
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:49 No.13165936
    I'd agree

    This guy >>13165875 made the Killy clone a level 4 safeguard as well. Though he seems to have two separate schemes for exterminator and control units.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:49 No.13165942
    Does anybody know if there will be in the future proper continuation for Blame! Besides Blame^2 and Noise ?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:51 No.13165957
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    Appreciated OP!

    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:51 No.13165958
    not much but http://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/blame!/1

    there's something at least
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:52 No.13165965
    anyone else having problems with mediafire?
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)20:54 No.13165996
    That looks cool too. I don't know enough about DH to comment, but I'm reading your threads now.

    Absolutely. If you'd like to do writeups for anything just post 'em here.

    Anyone who writes up 1 page or more will be put in the credits.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:55 No.13166000
    mediafire is actually the only site i don't have problems with. Rapidshit i refuse to even try anymore
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:56 No.13166013
    what exactly do you mean by write ups?
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)20:58 No.13166036
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    Stats and a paragraph or two about a character, location, thing, etc. that I haven't detailed yet. For example, I haven't gotten around to doing a writeup for the Advanced Cyborg from the alternate universe in the Gravity Furnace.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:00 No.13166049
    Maybe some exemplary adventure?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:00 No.13166054

    This is awesome OP. You did a great job of keeping it simple, and the layout is also very clear and concise.

    Thanks for this, I'll be reading through it as soon as I finish the manga :D
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:02 No.13166074
    Blame! is pretty great.

    I think the reason I avoided it for years was the name - "Blame!" sounds like... I don't know what the fuck it sounds like, but not good, and definitely not like the quiet, lonely, almost mystical trip through the labyrinth it is. It's like Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou and Gantz had a kid that inherited the slick-black looks of the father and the quiet melancholy of the mother.

    I heard that the name is some kind of a translation/transliteration error that never got fixed and it should be "Blam!", the onomatopoeia, in reference to Killy's Big Fucking Gun. It bothers me severely that they didn't fix that at any point.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:03 No.13166084
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    Feel free to use anything, I'll be working on mine until march when I get some time off.

    You did what we all want to do, you got shit done.
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)21:06 No.13166103
    >translation/transliteration error that never got fixed

    Yes, it was. I fixed it. ;) Glad you got the joke.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:08 No.13166130
    I fixed that recoil chart to all d10 though. I must have been drunk when I thought using d4,6, and 10 was a good idea.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:12 No.13166159

    Here's how I'd do the list.

    Level 1, Exterminator. (common)
    Level 2, Infiltrator. (The kid in volume 1)
    Level 3, Siren. (Hacking type, tries to mind control Killy before his fight with the Gatekeper in volume 10)
    Level 4, Hunter. (Kills Killy in volume 10)
    Level 5, Behemoth (giant type, Supports Sanakan in volume 2, huge GBE)
    Level 6, Commander (Sanakan)
    Level 7, Gatekeper (fights killy in volume 10, really tall and makes a cloak around itself)
    Level 8, Judge (Almost Killed sanakan in volume 10, fights by rebuilding the structure around it)
    Level 9, Angel of Death (Cibo)
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:13 No.13166169
    Blame! gives an incredible feeling of claustrophiba, desolation and exploration all at the same time. The protagonist is both alminghty (immortal with hax broken gun) and yet... I'm not quite sure how to put it, but the megastructure is so vast that even someone with his powers may never complete his journey.

    They spent like a month riding an elevator (passes by in one or two pages), that's just chilling, the protagonist is very much not human, yet he appeals to human dreams.
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)21:14 No.13166177
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    You know, I *did* read that thread before, I just didn't realize it was based on the Dark Heresy system. Thanks for your brainstorming, it helped me a lot.

    I considered putting in a Recoil Table as well, but eventually settled on not doing it in order to keep that part of it cinematic (at the GM's discretion).
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)21:24 No.13166274
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    That's a good list. Like I said, my list is not exhaustive and I had considered some of these but hadn't gotten around to it.

    >Level 3, Siren.
    Yup, I thought of her, but I figured she'd be a higher level netwar model since she (maybe) stopped Killy in his tracks at the peak of his power.

    >Level 5, Behemoth
    Yes, the Giger-esque giant, thought of it too. I'll add him soon.

    >Level 8, Judge
    That would be Exterminator, First Class? I couldn't figure out if it would be more or less powerful than the Level 9, the text seems kind of contradictory. On the one hand it stated that the Level 9 is the most powerful SG, but then the "Judge" disables Sanakan and Killy in a way that seems even more powerful. What do you guys think?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:27 No.13166306

    The thing with Killy is that while it becomes pretty clear early on that's he's superhuman in many ways, and holds a trump card in form of GBE, he's still far from invincible in his world. There's many scenes in the series where he plain gets his ass kicked by people or machines better than him. And the higher-rating safeguards have GBEs of their own.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:28 No.13166322
    I think it's that the Exterminator Level 1 is more defense oriented. Taking GBE hits and has powerful shields. While the level is mostly offense and nukes things.

    Exterminators are probably just Automata while the Safeguard Agents are actual people.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:32 No.13166367
    Apparently he just "forgot" that he was tough in the beginning and got rebooted twice.

    Which pretty much means Nihei may not have thought the story would go so far and have such powerful enemies at the beginning and he had to upgrade killing in a fashion that would make sense.

    When he fights the Exterminator Level 1 the guy has a Dune(the first movie) style shield and everything.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:40 No.13166452
    quick question that has been bugging me for weeks.

    from what i recall, Killy and Cibo get Seu's DNA from Mensab as they're escaping from the Heavy Industries place and they take it everywhere with them.

    i got a bit confused in this part, did Cibo become pregnant with Seu's genetic material? was he an original human?

    i never got how she became pregnant or how it was the "net child"
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)21:41 No.13166472
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    I believe that wasn't a shield, rather it was the Exterminator C1 freezing Killy in a containment system to prevent him using his GBE. He seems paralyzed when he's in it, though I suppose it's open to interpretation.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:46 No.13166533
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    I've got a question: The idea behind the Blast vs Blast combat is a Duel, right? Both shooting, the winner shoot first, deal damage, the other one shoot but miss the target.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:46 No.13166536
    seeing that Silicon Life like that creeps me out for some reason
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:51 No.13166589
    So when you begin, you pick any of the types of characters then have 100 points to spend on boosting their abilities? Wouldn't that end up making many players all around leveled with one another despite some starting with higher stats than others.

    Can someone just walk through it for me? I'm a bit unsure.
    >> Blackheart !!d+z47tvchVl 12/15/10(Wed)21:58 No.13166678
    I think my boner just shattered my jaw and impaled my brain.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)21:59 No.13166697
    Right now I'm trying to adapt the horde from Death Watch system for the DH conversion I mentioned. If anyone is used a d10 system I would recommend doing the same. The horde stat system works really good for exterminator units.
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)22:03 No.13166761
    Yes, Shibo transcribed Seu's DNA onto herself while Davinel was making the provisional connection. Davinel downloaded a Level 9 SG which merged with Shibo to form the Death Angel.

    However, this seems contradicted by the later statement that the Egg/Core is the product of two females, unless Seu was a female.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)22:06 No.13166786
    i'm like 99% percent sure that Seu is a guy. they all reference him as a male anyways
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)22:10 No.13166834
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    It's probably a combination of Seu's, Cibos, and Sanakan's. With all the overwriting and body snatching it's hard to tell.

    I always wondered what happened to the chick with the detachable arms in the first chapter.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)22:16 No.13166921
    You don't happen to have such avatars for the other characters, do you?
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)22:22 No.13167011
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    No, no more pixel avatars. But I do have a lot of chibi pix for blame characters.
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)22:25 No.13167048
    Not a duel, not as I imagined it. Speed is only one aspect of total combat ability. It would be more an exchange of shots, with the winner getting the best shot in.

    But it's flexible, the system is supposed to be so abstract that you can present it any way: a duel, an exchange of multiple attacks or a flurry of hits.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)22:48 No.13167388
    Do all archetypes only pick ONE module they normally come with? The Silicon Life says they start with all of their modules so do you still pick one or all?
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)22:55 No.13167487
    Thank you OP, I'll take a look see if I dont find anything in this that I can use for my SLA Industries campaign (which already has inspiration taken from CthulhuTech, Shadowrun and many other sources).
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/15/10(Wed)23:00 No.13167557
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    As a starting PC you only get one module. NPC silicon life get the ones listed automatically. If a GM is not concerned about balance then you could start with all of the above.

    I've got to get to sleep, but I'm glad people like the game so far. I'll be back in the next few days to answer questions, take requests or correct mistakes.

    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)23:01 No.13167566
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    >> Safeguard guy 12/15/10(Wed)23:14 No.13167697
    Yeah, I think I read somewhere that Exterminators, while all level one safeguards, have there own rating that goes backwards.
    This makes everything much more complicated though.

    Nehi is not a list guy. He likes drawing crazy monsters, but there is no codified biastary of all the diffrent types. While this is good for the anarchic Silicon Creatures. For Safeguard this becomes much harder.

    Level 1 safeguard: Exterminators, Many types.
    Level 2 safeguard: Gains independent action and infection darts.
    Level 3 safeguard: Gains Shape changing and human impersonation abilities.
    Level 4 safeguard: Gains Infowar abilities.
    Level 5 safeguard: Better regeneration and flight abilities.
    Level 6 safeguard: Gains Graviton Beam emitter
    Level 7 - 8: More powerups.
    Level 9: Hax tier.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)00:25 No.13168395
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    Sanakan said to Cibo "Our child" in log.63
    Blame!: the yuri manga
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)00:28 No.13168424
    Thank you, checking this out.
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/16/10(Thu)07:54 No.13171878
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    I was wondering how much interest there was in a Biomega/Abara supplement to this game?

    At a minimum I think I'll add the Gaunas as armor at some point.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)08:15 No.13171995
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    Holy cow, OP. Holy heavenly herd of beer-fed kobe beef.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)08:53 No.13172300
    I will enjoy this present greatly, thank you.
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    I bump this
    >> Marauder Månsson !!oiDcukULdOC 12/16/10(Thu)09:45 No.13172646
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    Yeah the exterminators have their own level or power independent from the safeguard levels, which as you say was backwards (level 1 exerminators being comparable to very high level other safeguards). If i recall you can see some variations of the safeguards here and there. For example what you desegnated as Hounds and ferrets.

    Simply put, the exterminators need their own list.

    And thanks for making this, not sure how i feel about the system yet but its a great resource none the less.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)12:34 No.13174513
    Is this the system we worked on lin June, the one archived here http://www.suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=BLAM ?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)12:57 No.13174706
    Quick question. In Blame!, it's hinted that GBE's draw power directly from their weilders, isn't it? What with Killy being all low-powered after going for so long without an energy refill. Compare him before and after Sanakan fixes his faulty programs. Or maybe it draws power from convertion towers, and Killys messed up software (or maybe hardware, lots of blunt trauma there) might have made it difficult for him to draw power from it?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)12:59 No.13174719
    I saw this thread and I JIZZED IN MY... you get the idea.

    Krypter, you're a winner.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)13:06 No.13174780
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    Pretty sure he just used it on low power mode for smaller targets. Remember, he only powers it up for big targets like the behemoth, and then he plugs it into the bunch of safeguards.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)13:08 No.13174799
    Another abortive Blame! RPG project ranks Safeguards like this:

    There are two parallel tiers of Safeguard organization. Nonautonomous units under the direct control of the command program fall under the Exterminator protocol, of which Class One is the highest. Autonomous constructs, granted a personality and a degree of freedom to act, fall under the Agent protocol, of which level 9 is the highest. An Agent has clearance to download and control a number of Exterminator entities while on assignment.
    Safeguard Exterminator Class Zero/00 (Exterminator base class-Clawed)
    Safeguard Exterminator Class Zero/01 (Transmission Entity, large constructs that download in response to attempts to breach Megastructure level barriers as seen in v2)
    Safeguard Exterminator Class Zero/02 (Large Exterminator as seen in Noise)
    Safeguard Exterminator Class Zero/03 (Twin Exterminator as seen in Noise, equipped with spine launcher/cutting tail)
    Safeguard Exterminator Class Zero/04 (Watchman)
    Safeguard Exterminator Class Zero/05 (Giant Exterminator/Transport/Exterminator Download Terminal unit)
    Safeguard Exterminator Class One (Sterilizer/Destroyer as seen in v9)
    Safeguard Agent Level 1-3 (Unknown, not encountered - May be child type SG's)
    Safeguard Agent Level 4 (Dhomochevsky type - Basic Biped w/skinsuit - Not cleared for GBE use)
    Safeguard Agent Level 5 (Killy Clone - Basic Biped w/skinsuit - Cleared for GBE use)
    Safeguard Agent Level 6 (Sanakan type - Shapeshifter Biped - Cleared for nanite modification of own body form)
    Safeguard Agent Level 7 (Unknown)
    Safeguard Agent Level 8 (Unknown)
    Safeguard Level 9 (Angel - Doomsday Device - Cleared for highest level matter conversion and nanomachine manipulation)
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)13:08 No.13174801
    I liked that when he faced some president of a corporation with several of it's attendants, he fires his GBE and they just blocked it. It's not the end-all-be-all weapon, just a sidearm.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)13:09 No.13174809
    In the old threads there was talk of doing something like that, sacrificing manual dexterity/gun-use for speed and RIP AND TEAR for the bone-armor/guana stuff. Given the size of The City, a bio-tech analogue wouldn't be out of the question.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)13:11 No.13174826
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    Not block, deflect. It still went through walls.

    It's already demonstrated a gravitational beam can affect other gravitational beams.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)13:41 No.13175178
    Against the President he was on low power. Most likely he didn't even know how to activate the higher levels of the GBE. Then Sanakan came along and tried to restore him as an Agent, which only worked partially, re-awakening his more advanced functions and systems, but without restoring his memory (I think we can assume that whoever erased his memory, which is stated by Dhomos partner (fuck if I remember the name) to have happened), was the Authority or at least someone who knew what he/she/it was doing. And therefore knew how to make it so that even the Safeguard couldn't restore it.
    Also, AFTER he's upgraded, he needs to draw power from dead Exterminators, yeah. But after ANOTHER upgrade he can use more power than that without linking up with anything else, and still fire even more poeerful blasts like it's no big deal.
    So either the GBE draws power from an external power source, and Killy was upgraded to have better acces to it. OR it generates its own power, but you need the right hardware and software to unlock it and survive using it. OR it draws power from the user, and it becme more effective just because Killy powered up.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)14:01 No.13175420
    Well, fuck me. Sorry.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)14:03 No.13175442
    I think it was stated that Killy was a pre-Safeguard prototype. And I'd guess that he doesn't get upgraded, he simply unlocks abilities he didn't know he had since he lost his memory.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)14:20 No.13175653
    >I was wondering how much interest there was in a Biomega/Abara supplement to this game?

    I'd be more interested in a Knights of Sidonia supplement, except if Biomega means the transformed world which would be awesome for adventuring in. Endless possibilities, even more so than Blame! has.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)14:24 No.13175693
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    >Power Armor "Armadillo"
    >Used by: Dead People
    Not very encouraging...

    >Skinsuit "Eel"
    >Used by: Shibo
    >Other Properties: Nice Ass
    Most definitely.

    >Skinsuit "Playford"
    >Used by: Killy
    >Other Properties: Stylish
    >> -|- Reichsguard -|- !!Q3opPDaKzPo 12/16/10(Thu)14:31 No.13175787
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    Op, I just wanted to express my undying love for you.
    >> Safeguard guy 12/16/10(Thu)15:04 No.13176217
    This system makes sense, but I'd rank Exterminators as Classes Nine (most common) through One (You're fucked now)
    >> Shorty Story Submission CyberDungeonQuestDM !G8.AisJTC2 12/16/10(Thu)16:16 No.13177301
    [Text log found among ruins. Apparently of human origin, religous in nature.]

    >Text Log: 1300 Hours - 487th Segment of the 5,413th Revolution

    As part of my training to join the Clergy, I have left the Holy City Arakeen and made my way into the Ghost Lands. The buildings here are thin and emaciated, like starving people, but long dead. I hope that I do not disturb their rest and cause them to collapse, especially on me. There is no light here, and I can barely see more than fifty meters with my lantern. Praise be to my Holy Form granted by The

    Creator for giving me the ability to make this pilgrimage. I will soon make camp and prepare my Ritual of Cleansing. Just thing, only a few hundred hours and I can join the Clergy, as I have dreamt of and prepared for since I was small!

    >Text Log: 1378 Hours
    This was not as exciting as I thought it would be. My rations are generous and I have plenty for my journey, and as always I am pious and attentive to the rituals and prayer, but I feel restless. The Ghost Lands are vast, and I feel my curiosity biting at me to go out and explore. The Elders advised against it. Is this a test? Surely to indulge ones curiosity is still to praise the Holy Human Form? Perhaps I shall go and explore after my next sleep cycle.

    >Text Log: 1390 Hours
    I have set out from my base camp into the ruins of the Ghost Lands. The old tales say that they were inhabited once by another group of humans, although it is said that their society broke apart due to sin and depravity, and the survivors have long since left. I am currently in a residential space of some sort - a bed, clothing containers, a chest filled with toys - I believe it is, or was, a child's room. There is a doll on the bed... I find it cute. A caricature of a woman, large eyes and broad smile, made of some kind of stuffed fabric. Perhaps the young ones will like it for when I return.
    >> CyberDungeonQuestDM !G8.AisJTC2 12/16/10(Thu)16:19 No.13177358
    >Text Log: 1392 Hours
    The isolation is getting to me just a bit, I think. I hear scratching noises in the distance. The heartbeat of these lands, perhaps, with the passage of time and wind? Or just my imagination?

    I put the doll away in my pack, along with some other little goodies I found. The little ones in the Children's House will like them, I'm sure.

    I feel my exhaustion seeping into my bones, but I must go about my prayer and ritual. Sleep can wait.

    >Text Log: Unknown
    It wasn't the heartbeat of the Ghost Lands. It wasn't my imagination. Fiends from the Far West came at me during one of my sleep cycles... a behemoth, an abomination of some sort of false flesh and machine, like a puppet corpse, snatched me up in its claws. I shouted in terror, I admit, and could only struggle against its grip. It wheezed irregularly, as if having a fit... I think it was laughing at me.

    I spat every obscenity I could recall from my times with the laborers, quoted every psalm and passage I had memorized to try and ward off the aberration.

    Still, it only laughed, tossing me into the air and smacking me into a wall. Praise be to my Holy Form granted by the Creator that I did not break. It spoke, it's monstrous voice some electronic mess, with a strange accent not from any human tongue.
    >> CyberDungeonQuestDM !G8.AisJTC2 12/16/10(Thu)16:21 No.13177385
    "Mouthy little thing, innit?" the laughing abomination had said. 'It,' this thing had called me!

    Another voice from the darkness answered it, in agreement. A thing stepped into the light of my lantern, this one bearing more resemblance to the Holy Form, only to be all the more horrifying. Dressed modestly in a suit of sorts and a hat, a cane in hand, the creature, who the laughing one referred to as 'Dok' or somesuch, leered at me from black pits which I assume were its eyes... soulless and evil.

    The laughing one picked me up, and I could not resist its grip, my body damaged by its assault. My hair felt wet and sticky, and I sensed that the bones of my arms and chest were damaged.

    The suited one tapped me on the face with its cane, and asked me of my home... he knew of Arakeen. I spat in its face, or tried to... the laughing one squeezed me tighter, and a cracking sound prompted another bout of wheezy laughter. 'Dok' waved its cane, telling it to stop. I am ashamed to say that I felt a moment of gratitude for the thing.

    Then its cane lit up with a spark and I was in darkness again.

    When I awoke, I could not move. I was on a slab of some sort, deep in one of the buildings of the Ghost Lands, now a coven of some sort to the abominations, a place for their witchery. Black as pitch, a carapice of false flesh. 'Dok' stood before me, hands on its cane, leering at me as before.

    "Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste," the thing said, and I scoffed at its attempt to identify itself as a 'man'... only to find I could not speak, my jaw felt numb, as did the rest of me. "Doctor Cialsok is my name. The laughing paluka you saw before is Hroddard. We are Silicon Creatures."
    >> CyberDungeonQuestDM !G8.AisJTC2 12/16/10(Thu)16:23 No.13177423
    I gave it the hardest glare I could produce, and that only seemed to amuse it.

    "Our peoples are not so different, you know," it said.

    I find it strange how much clearer my memory is now, how exact... no matter.

    It continued, "My brethren believe that our biology, based on silicon and machine, is the pinnacle of evolution. That human's carbon based past is, as they say, 'old hat' and needs to go. Just as you hold your dated, fleshly form sacred, my brethren see it as base and something to be swept away by time and progress.

    "Your own devotion to your fleshliness amuses me. My own research into the past indicates that you are more machine than humanity was in its own past... not that you'll believe me, of course." I worried - was it reading my mind? Silicon witchery? Or had there been others before me who had fallen victim to this fiend?

    "Now, I believe in interspecies relations. I truly do. That is why I have given you a gift, little creature. And I'm going to let you go." Cialsok leaned towards me, burning little dots in its black pits of eyes shining red. It ran a bony, black finger down my face... false flesh on mine... the thought made me want to shiver and vomit. "Goodbye, little creature."

    A snap, and darkness again.
    >> CyberDungeonQuestDM !G8.AisJTC2 12/16/10(Thu)16:24 No.13177440
    >Text Log: Unknown, ~1450(?) hours
    I have gotten the hang of walking again. It is strange. Nothing like before. I feel imprisoned in my own... skin... no. Whatever the doctor did to me, it was more than my flesh. I feel corrupted. Filthy. Something eating at me from within. Even familiar sights appear different, as though through a filter, or a warped screen. I find holding things difficult. The dolls now hang from my back from strings. I tried to eat, but the very sight of the food drove me to a bizarre feeling of illness. I had to leave it behind.

    As for what the doctor did to me... I did find a reflective surface. Quite a few. I'll spare you the details, whoever it is that is reading this.

    >Text Log: Unknown, ~1500(?) hours
    Arakeen is in sight, yes yes. Home. Home? I don't remember anymore. Old passageways are too small. Staircases, damn these staircases! Not clumsiness, it is like the world has twisted and curled away from me... I don't like mirrors. Reflection. ME. SELF. Found a statue. Hated it. Dunno why. BOOM. Crush crush-

    I do believe that this is my last rational, human thought.

    I have no mouth. And I must scream.
    >> -|- Reichsguard -|- !!Q3opPDaKzPo 12/16/10(Thu)16:40 No.13177670
    I... wait what?
    >> CyberDungeonQuestDM !G8.AisJTC2 12/16/10(Thu)16:44 No.13177725
    The good doctor had a little fun with the human form worshiping creature. :3
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)17:05 No.13178016
    where is this from? context? has been so long since I read it
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)17:06 No.13178036
    Looking damn good so far. My only critique at this point is the character creation system needs more meat and more structure. I'd personally detail the archetypes more and make them separate from the denizens section. Digging through fluff-text to get to the lists of modules in each archetype was a bit problematic.

    Listing the archetypes with min/max stats as guidelines, a list of starting modules and perhaps some way of starting with equipment outside of GM permission would be a good next step.

    But outside of character creation stuff this is looking brilliant so far. Can't wait for the next release/upgrade. With a bit more tightening up in character creation it should quite playable. Great work so far OP, you are awesome.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)17:10 No.13178089
    >"Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste,"
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)17:15 No.13178166
    That's where Mensab just recovered Seu and takes him to the head AI.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)17:22 No.13178275
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    This...is just so fucking amazing...

    I love fucking Blame!...

    I gotta find people to play this with...
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)17:32 No.13178403
    Trying to make a character and am wondering about the "if the archetype has a selection of modules you may choose one".

    Does this mean that the Safeguard gets all the basic modules plus a single choice from the secondary list, or does it only get to choose a single one in total (or does it buck the trend and follow what it says in the description and get the base plus two)?

    Also, when distributing points to Structure, Energy and Ghost you seem to get a lot more than most archetypes even though it says you should be weaker. Are PCs meant to get less than 100 points or is the text about being weaker an artifact of an older re-write?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)17:40 No.13178533
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    Jesus man, I should've come to /tg/ ages ago. Didn't know this was in the works. I'll give it a read later tonight, I've gotta go somewhere real soon.

    Adding some stuff from Biomega would be neat. Sidonia's mechs don't really fit BLAME's setting that well, and I don't see Abara or Digimortal fitting at all unless they're BBEG Silicon Life.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)17:42 No.13178562

    Why does this picture remind me of this?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)17:56 No.13178805
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    Chimeric - Bear Hybrid Guard

    Blast: 20
    Fight: 30
    Resist: 30
    Hide: 0
    Find: 10
    Recover: 10
    Hack: 0
    Build: 0

    Structure: 40
    Energy: 40
    Ghost: 20
    Memories: 0

    (Base 100 points, as per character creation rules)

    A fairly popular model for Chimerics, hotshot Mega-Corp CEOs and other higher ups tend to have them constructed and employed as bodyguards and babysitters for their otherwise neglected children. For reasons lost to humanity's past, children find the image of these large mammals endearing and comforting, and the ferocity inherent in their form comes in handy when the odd assassination or kidnapping attempt is made.

    These bodyguard-babysitters are often mentally conditioned to hold the child in their care dearer than their own life, and will stop at nothing to see that the child is protected.

    Typical Equipment:
    Heavy Coil Pistol
    Assault Rifle
    Composite "Defender" Armor

    Typical Modules
    Ogre Frame
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)18:00 No.13178875

    Move: 10
    Blast: 10
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)18:50 No.13179713
    thank you op
    you are mai waifu now
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)20:51 No.13181363
    I was working on a Blame project myself, some time back. Nice to see that you got this finished, OP. Great work!
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/16/10(Thu)21:14 No.13181636
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    Thanks for the kudos, guys. Appreciate the support. I would have thought there'd be at least a few "rules suck" or "weaboo" comments, but no. /tg/ you continue to surprise me.

    Nasty! I might use that for the Silicon Life section.

    Fantastic! I was hoping somebody would take the bait and write up our bear friend. Added to Denizens roster.

    That's a good, detailed list too. If I expand the Safeguard section I'll use this.

    Yes, the character creation needs some work, it's confusing right now. I'm on it.

    Apologies if I missed someone's question, I'm pretty busy here at home cooking and stuff.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)21:59 No.13182188
    I believe Blame! is one of the few manga or anime that get a free pass on /tg/ when it comes to calls of weaboo.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)22:33 No.13182621
    Downloaded it, even though I'm at work :P
    Good OP, give it the final touch. I wanna DM it this summer (south hemisphere fag here)
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)23:14 No.13183031
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    Wonder what category the [spoiler]bald agent that shoots Killy[/spoiler] in the final chapter would count as? It wasn't using anything especially powerful but it was smart and fast at least. 4?
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)23:40 No.13183354
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    Spoiler tags don't work on this board? Maybe I'm just retarded and spelled it wrong?

    Also, gotta say, the latest Knights of Sidonia chapter kicked a ton of ass.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)00:12 No.13183764
    Yeah I've already started houseruling character creation because I'm kind of jonesing on running it. If I come up with anything worthwhile I'll upload it and post a link.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)00:14 No.13183793
    No, /tg/ doesn't use that stupid spoiler /other board/ crap.

    >Frikimn accidents
    All those frikimn accidental spoilers are just something we put up with
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)00:54 No.13184334
    Ran a few playtest combats and noticed that it was incredibly hard to damage anything at higher levels even when wielding GBEs.

    Had a guy with a GBE and a modest Blast of 20 (starting character level) against an automaton wielding an assault rifle. After several rounds of combat firing a gun that can collapse chunks of terrain the automaton suffered no damage at all.

    It seems like Resist being rated as an ability means that it can too easily negate damage to the point that it can be impossible to damage something unless you outclass it by more than 20 points (depending on resist). Add in armour and I'm having troubles seeing how things can get damaged at all.

    And considering the average structure things possess combat will drag on quite a bit unless you use a whole lot of mooks. Against bosses combat may well go one for many many rounds before one side simply runs out of energy.

    This could set things up to basically become Exalted style mote-wars where no one does anything cool until the other side is tired out. As it is the length of combat is limited more by energy than by the relative skill and power of either side.

    I'm thinking there needs to be a stat derived from Resist to represent damage reduction (and have armour add to that instead). Since the damage range between two equal combatants will tend to be within just a few points considering the system there may need to be a lot of attention paid to the basic system to prevent boring stalemates from occurring.

    Great work on compiling the information but I think the basic system needs a lot more work until it results in a satisfying game. But I guess that's what playtesting is for.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 12/17/10(Fri)01:08 No.13184502
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    Only pixel BLAME! character I could find.
    And I thought Mensab's name should be spelt 'Meinserve', it felt so right.
    >> Safeguard guy 12/17/10(Fri)01:39 No.13184856
    GBE's should do much more damage.
    >> [E1] Squeamish !JnF4LLpeu. 12/17/10(Fri)02:43 No.13185582
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    So, just finished a preliminary readthrough of the rules. Good stuff, OP. I was going to run a Rifts game set in the BLAME! megastructure, but then I realized that the Rifts rules suck.

    A few things, though. I personally would like to see a section about the Conversion Towers and how important they are to various technologies. You mention them a few times, but you don't actually share what they are.

    The central dice mechanic is decent, but the difficulty scales a little bit too fast. I'd recommend adding "exploding dice", where if the character rolls 18+, they can roll another dice and add it to the total. If they roll a ten, then they continue adding dice until they fail to roll a ten. This simulates critical successes, and allows characters a shot at actions that, in the current game, would be impossible.

    One of my favorite elements of BLAME! was always the pure, existential horror that the characters have to face. That Killy faces it all stone faced makes him somewhat... eerie. If you don't want to add a sanity track, you can have extreme situations deal Ghost damage.

    I'd do something similar to Unseen Armies; you have one or more "sanity" gauges. Failing a roll against an insanity trigger causes an immediate freakout and puts a "failed" mark on the gauge. Passing a roll adds a "hardened" mark on the gauge. You don't have to roll on situations that are rated less than the number of "hardened" marks, but both marks count towards your climb to insanity. A character with too many hardened marks represents a character like Killy; so deadend by years in the cyber-dungeon that they can't connect to other living things. Marks can be removed by spending time unwinding/getting therapy, or manipulated through the use of the Hacking attribute, representing re-writing one’s personality to be less (or more!) mentally atypical.
    >> [E1] Squeamish !JnF4LLpeu. 12/17/10(Fri)02:45 No.13185602
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    As far as combat goes, Resistance in its current form is a little bit too powerful, as people have already pointed out. Have you thought about adding a “Piercing” quality to weapons that allow them to reduce the opponent’s available Resistance? You could also add the margin of success to the weapons base power to get the final damage, meaning that GBEs will typically vaporize your run-of-the-mill citizen barring extremely good rolls. They shouldn’t be the kind of things that people mess around with. Really, with how easy healing is in this, absurd damage should be the norm.

    You could also create a “hit locations” that you compare the margin of success to, which you then subtract the Resistance from. While I am not always in favor of them, in such a story-centric game system, they could be useful. For instance, someone rolls a +14 blast with a DEW weapon. You consult the DEW table and see “The beam bores through the armor plating on one of your legs, sending up a cloud of vaporized carbon. Take 30 Structure OR reduce Move by -10”.

    I really like the way you split up the Netsphere levels; it makes hacking an interesting proposition that is not broken from a GM’s perspective. I’d like to see more rules for what you can and can’t hack, and maybe some new modules in the next edition. There are plenty of transhumant and cyberpunk books out there if you need some ideas. Hell, I like the cut of your jib. If you want some help, I’d be happy to type up some content for you to browse through. Shoot me an email if you want.
    >> Featherball 12/17/10(Fri)03:12 No.13185858
    Having only now begun to read Blame! I cannot meaningfully contribute to this thread. However, I can encourage it- even halfway through a bottle of vodka (it's called Red Army Vodka, it comes in a bottle in the shape of a tank shell- delightful!), I can see both the immediate value in gameplay, and its greater philosophical significance. OP is a credit to all eloquen/tg/entlemen, and a role model to boot.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)04:46 No.13186832
    Well I had a post but something's not letting me post it. So to paraphrase it. Previous poster had some good ideas.

    My thought is to divide resist by 10 to get its DR and to make d10's explode individually when rolling the 2d10 (so if either is a 10 then you roll another die).

    I'll give it a go and see how it works with a few different combatants.
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    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)05:02 No.13186947
    I read Blame and Biomega and such and like 'em

    and I like your RPG

    you made a nice RPG pdf
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)05:07 No.13186973
    Alright just ran a couple of test combats using exploding d10's and a damage reduction equal to 1/10th of the resist value.

    Safeguard with GBE1 vs. Automaton w/ Assault Rifle

    Safeguard has a GBE (+70) and a Blast of 20 rolls an 11
    Automaton has an AR (+40) and a Blast of 30 rolls a 5

    Difference is 26, Automaton resists 2 of it and loses 24 structure
    Automaton, Dead (pretty expected)

    So let's try something closer now and see if the results are a little less lopsided:

    Round 1

    Safeguard with Assault Rifle vs. Automaton w/ Assault Rifle

    Safeguard has AR (+40) and a Blast of 20 rolls an 8
    Automaton has an AR (+40) and a Blast of 30 rolls a 21 (one die exploded)

    Difference is 23

    Safeguard has a total resist of 50 (DR5) and a structure of 40
    Safeguard down to 22 structure

    Round 2

    Safeguard (Blast 60) rolls a 22 (double explosion!) for a total of 82
    Automaton (Blast 70) rolls a 13 for a total of 83

    Difference is 1 and the Safeguard soaks it

    Round 3

    Safeguard (Blast 60) rolls a 9 for a total of 69
    Automaton (Blast 70) rolls a 12 for a total of 82

    Difference is 13 and the Safeguard soaks 5. He is down to 14 structure

    Round 4

    Safeguard (Blast 60) rolls a 2 for a total of 62
    Automaton (Blast 70) rolls a 21 (explode) for a total of 91

    24 damage to the Safeguard who has been put down (but can still potentially live)
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)05:08 No.13186979
    Continued from >>13186973

    Well the first combat went as expected. Automaton was basically shredded into atoms in the first round as the Agent had a good 20 point advantage over it.

    Second one went about as to be expected and the Agent was slowly whittled away by an opponent with a 10 point advantage.

    I think my main complaint is that the rolls basically seem to be a formality once the difference is 10 or more. Even with an amazing critical the Agent lost the fire fight. The best he could do is break even or hope the more skilled opponent got unlucky (which considering die probabilities isn't happening often).

    The sheer variance in the system and the ease of getting modifiers seems to make combat to easy to win so long as you have higher numbers and because everything is so light right now there are few ways to overcome that.

    An Agent can start with a GBE which will basically win him any firefight he gets into no matter how skilled his opponent is. I'm starting to think that the basic system may need a re-imagining or a re-write because it is too easy for a 10+ point gap to open up between two combatants which makes any rolling a formality that only prolongs play.

    Can't think of any obvious solutions right now though.
    >> [E1] Squeamish !JnF4LLpeu. 12/17/10(Fri)05:27 No.13187078
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    Eh, I view the system as being very stunt-heavy. Were I to GM it, I'd make it fairly easy for the PCs to get a 10-15 point bonus for intelligent combat strategies and interesting descriptions.

    However, you are right. In its current form, statistics are too overpowering. How about if we try inverting the system? The goal is to roll under your stat on a D%, but to still roll over the opponent's roll? Higher stats mean higher ceilings for rolls, but combat remains random. Given how hard it is to kill and easy it is to flesh wound everything in the setting, I don't think that is a bad way to go.

    Can't really use exploding dice for that, though...
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)06:15 No.13187353
    May work at that point, the fear there is that normal, unaugmented people wiff pretty much every attempt to do anything. Not too bad if you ignore the normals of course but may bug some people.

    I'll give it a look because it would be far more elegant to make a quick change to the basic die system than to re-write it completely.

    My initial roll had the Agent win the firefight with a 33 to the Automaton's 88 (which is an outright fail). Depending on how we do margin of success that looks to be about 33 levels. But at that point we may need to keep resist the same to make things not instantly deadly if someone fails their roll.

    But on the flip side rolls that are close to each other then go back to doing no damage. So while it fixes the stat issues the damage system remains problematic.

    So if we switch to percentile roll-under we will still need a new damage system. My current thought is to go the Silhouette route and have weapons apply a damage multiplier to the margin of success and have resist subtract from that final number (or use it as the difficulty of a resist roll).

    Either way the damage system is pretty broken as is and under base rules it is nearly impossible to damage anyone.

    Did a quick conversion of the system to using a die pool but haven't tested it yet. Will post results at a later time.
    >> Krypter !!WiyySEyLlFa 12/17/10(Fri)07:39 No.13187886
    Thanks for the comments, guys. I have to run to work now and then run a game in the evening but if the thread is still alive I will post on Sat morning. In short: yes, the distribution was intended to be leptokurtic.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)10:25 No.13189013
    Percentile system seems best for a game that has stats measured between 0 and 100. But let's rundown common dice types.

    Percentiles have the advantage that they can simulate extremely unlikely situations that are still technically possible. You can still attempt something with a 1 in 100 chance.
    The disadvantage is that it's a flat distribution. A 1, 50, and 100 are pretty much all equally likely results.
    Some people like this because it makes calculating probability easy. But others hate the flat randomness.
    Another disadvantage is that ability basicly caps at 100 for most things. If you have a skill of 100, you will always succeed under normal circumstances.

    2dX systems have a proper bell curve, but there range is much more limited. It prevents people with differing power levels from interacting in any meaningful manner. Exploding dice can help negate this, but it's awkward as an extra rule and in terms of probability distribution.

    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)10:26 No.13189017

    Dice Pool systems Mean that low level characters will never preform beyond there normal capabilities, but high level characters can still have a bad day. Unlike percentile systems which cap at 100 (autosucess), Die Pool systems are limited only by how many dice you are willing to roll. While the odds of success increase exponentially with each added die, they never actually reach 100% and even a godling can roll all 1s.
    Die pool systems however do not work as well at lower levels however. If the Odds of success are less than 1/6 (on a d6 system), the task is effectively impossible. Compared to percentile where you can still attempt to do something with a 1/100 chance.

    Personally I'd like a dice pool system, but that's just me. Percentile is probably best here, at least for ability tests. Things like damage and shit might be better off using secondary attributes.

    Look at how Dark Heresy does it. You have your attributes, and then you have your attribute bonuses (the tens digit in the attribute) The Attribute itself is used for tests, but the Attribute bonus is used for things like damage resistance and shit.
    This does however cause the problem of only multiples of ten mattering in terms of stat optimization. You could play DH with 1d10 instead of 1d100 and the game would be essentially the same.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)11:56 No.13189666
    Thread archived on suptg here (towards bottom): http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=blame
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)12:28 No.13190005
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    baldy is listed as a level 4 manhunter.

    what about adding more locations? i liked the renaissance architecture parts the most.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)12:40 No.13190131
    Fuck the story, the background need more work and where are those 3000+ levels?
    But either way nice work.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)12:42 No.13190136
    That reminds me, what is Killy's power source?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)12:48 No.13190201
    What I don't get is why Sanakan died permanently. She betrayed the Authority?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)12:49 No.13190204
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)12:50 No.13190219
    So he had a mini-reactor of sorts in his body?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)12:51 No.13190223
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    When going after the Net Sphere Genes, she got warned that she would be beyond the help of the Authority, or something. She got cut off from the system because she went too far from the connected areas or something?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)12:54 No.13190259
    She went in knowing that death would be permanent should she screw up.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:01 No.13190318
    She didn't die permanently. Fragments of her self were reconstructured by the GA in the Retrieved Consciousness chapter.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:02 No.13190324
    So she was restored to full?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:03 No.13190338
    lol. op only got about 200 levels done. get to work, 2800 to go at least!
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:04 No.13190342
    no, she was partially restored inside a backup space in the netsphere.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:06 No.13190358
    Awww. Well, a chunk is better than nothing.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:09 No.13190374
    How powerful was Killy's GBE at its highest level?

    City busting?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:09 No.13190375

    See, this is sort of the problem with BLAME!. It is not exactly heavy on the exposition. I always read it that, as a safeguard agent, he had access to some of the Conversion Tower's lower functions, such as a wireless power source. Some high-yield superbatteries and a free charge up at every connected zone means he could use his big gun with relative impunity.

    also, bumping for OC.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:18 No.13190443
    That is a rather plausible statement.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:19 No.13190448
    The Resistance Problem:

    How about a) Some weapons have a degree of "penetration" that ignores Resistance or b) Each time a character is hit, they knock 10 off of their resistance for that fight. If you hit something for long enough, you'll eventually break it.


    I like the "Hardened" Ghost idea. Perhaps for each successful Sanity/Ghost check that is traumatic in nature, the PC gains Ghost points at the GM's discretion depending on the traumatic event. Failed tests result in a weaker Ghost. Higher Ghost scores mean a person is tougher, mentally speaking, and as such harder to Hack and manipulate. This could also manifest as extreme stoicism, like Killy. Weaker Ghosts just aren't up to the challenge, can't handle the Trauma upon Trauma, and are eventually easily hacked/manipulated.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:19 No.13190455
    Eh, I read BLAME! for the eerie, lonely futurescapes and people, not exposition.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)13:25 No.13190509
    It's a bleak series.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)19:11 No.13193750
    Weapons should definitely have varying levels of protection. With the GBE at the highest possible level.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)19:23 No.13193863
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    Going to read this tonight. Kinda bumping it in case I have some questions later on. Don't 404 on me yet!
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)19:29 No.13193914

    Killy isn't a Safeguard agent. He's an operative from a pre-Safeguard system. What that means is uncertain, but it's likely that he works directly for the Authority or maybe even the organization that programmed the Netsphere. The woman with the dog in the first volume may be another agent of the same organization.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)19:30 No.13193919
    Come again?
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)19:37 No.13193987
    I always figured something similar. I assumed that the Safeguard, like the Netsphere, was developed by several corporations joining together, so various "Prototypes" such as Killy were developed.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)20:11 No.13194317
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