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    119 KB Planes & Mercs (Quest) Thread #3 girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:03 No.13100396  
    Starting a new one since the last thread 404'd.

    Thread #1: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13012344

    Thread #2: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/13043559/
    >> Jack "Flapjack" Morrison 12/10/10(Fri)10:06 No.13100407
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    I hope the DM sees it this time.

    Though I must say, the last one lasted 5 days, and probably could have gone for a full week. I think the test of keeping a quest thread alive long enough for everyone to participate worked.
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:07 No.13100409
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    To be honest, I'm seriously doubting that the GM will be back any time soon so that we can finish the FIRST mission.

    But that doesn't mean that this tread can't be useful. Reposting from the previous thread:

    Planes & Mercs Unofficial Soundtrack (2nd Edition)

    1. "Solar Angels" - Judas Priest
    2. "Hard As Iron" - Judas Priest
    3. "Radar Rider" - Jerry Riggs
    4. "Holy Diver" - Dio
    5. “Aces High” – Iron Maiden
    6. “Operation Ground and Pound” – Dragonforce
    7. “Highway to Hell” – AC/DC
    8. “Fortunate Son” – Creedence Clearwater Revival
    9. "Don't Stop Me Now" – Queen
    10. "Highway to the Danger Zone" - Kenny Loggins
    11. SWAT Kats Season 2 Theme
    12. “Rock You Like a Hurricane” - The Scorpions
    13. "How Far to Paradise" (Area 88) - Derek Jackson
    14. "How Far to Paradise" (Version 2) - Derek Jackson
    15. “Blade Runner Blues” – Vangelis
    16. "Gortoz a Ran - J'Attends" (performed by Denez Prigent and Lisa Gerrard)
    17. “Paradise Circus” – Massive Attack
    18. The A-Team Theme (Full Version)
    19. Battle of Britain Theme – Ron Goodwin
    20. "The Ride of the Valkyries" - Budapest Symphony Orchestra
    21. "I'm On A Boat" - The Lonely Island ft. T-Pain (For carrier-based missions)
    22. "Oh No You Didn't" (Mercenaries 2 Song)
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:11 No.13100431
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    Me too. (And where has Jackpot been, anyway? Haven't heard from him since the first mission.)

    But then if he doesn't there's always alternatives:

    Mercenary Air Squadron (rules, plane sheets, etc.): http://www.mediafire.com/?k5mynj2dmmz

    Heck I've already started translating my character to this system.

    Meanwhile I've still got that Mirage IIIC model I'm building and then an English Electric Lightning, so I've still got enough to keep me on my plane high.
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:14 No.13100441
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    Y'know, now that I think about it the image I posted in the OP would make a great album cover for the soundtrack.

    Too bad I don't have photoshop, or any experience using it.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/10/10(Fri)10:19 No.13100471
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    Might also mention sukhoi's forum- she's pretty open about setting up new subforums for any PAM related games.

    Also had a bloke just put up a draft for C21 RPG modifications, the formatting's terribad (as I said, draft) but it's looking pretty good.

    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:23 No.13100496

    No 'Ride of the Valkyries"?
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:24 No.13100507
    It's number 20 on the tracklist.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/10/10(Fri)10:24 No.13100511

    >No 'Ride of the Valkyries"?

    >20. "The Ride of the Valkyries" - Budapest Symphony Orchestra


    >floating gamuile

    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:26 No.13100522
    There's a lot of crap on that list, and no "Sky Titans"

    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:29 No.13100540
    I'm just one man!

    I can't know every single song that could be placed on the soundtrack!
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:30 No.13100548
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    This thread is now property of Royal Malaysian Air Force
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:31 No.13100556
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    Most powerful air force in the Asia.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/10/10(Fri)10:32 No.13100562
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    Get out of here, Malayan!

    >she cringoes

    .... A female tribute band to Dos Gringos?

    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:33 No.13100568
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    F-18F of Ausfalia dan F-15SG of Singapork is no match for Su-30MKM.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:34 No.13100572
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    >> Superbug 12/10/10(Fri)10:35 No.13100583
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    FUCK NO!

    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:36 No.13100586

    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/10/10(Fri)10:36 No.13100596
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    *insert 'lol u jelly' here*
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:37 No.13100598
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    >Most powerful air force in the Asia.


    And let's not even get into the Chinese...
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:37 No.13100601
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    F-16 as used by third world country of Singapork is no match for RMAF MiG-29, yet alone the Su-30MKM.

    As confirmed by many engagement with US Navy, Malaysia has the best MiG-29 pilot in the world. Malaysian woman holds world record as first female pilot of a MiG-29 jet
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:38 No.13100611
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    Not worth my time to engage.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:38 No.13100614
    Quality of Malaysia pilot is superior to kling of India air force
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:40 No.13100631
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    Let's bear in mind that the Indians have the most advanced Flanker variant in existence.

    And that they have 122 of them, with more on the way.

    Plus 69 MiG-29s.

    Oh, and I hear that the Eurofighter Typhoon's leading in the MRCA competition.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:42 No.13100639
    India air force shit

    Cannot even defeat Pakistan with shitty F-16 and Chengdu J-7

    Qualitatively, Malaysia has the best trained air force in the South east Asia region.

    Superior to Australia and Singapork
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:44 No.13100644
    >probably a dirty kling living in Canada
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:45 No.13100649
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    I have yet to hear of the Malaysian Air Force being invited to Red Flag.

    Oh, wait. I do believe Singapore DID participate.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/10/10(Fri)10:47 No.13100667
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    Was that at the same time the uber-ultimate-epically-super-awesome F-22 Lightning got nailed by an Eagle?

    Wacky fun.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:47 No.13100670
    How much combat experience does Singapore pilots have, other than flying UAV in Afghanistan and refuelling tanker in Iraq?

    Oh thats right, none.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 12/10/10(Fri)10:47 No.13100671
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    Oh, you are always fun.

    >As confirmed by many engagement with US Navy, Malaysia has the best MiG-29 pilot in the world.
    Malaysia has 0 Wins in every major exercise flown. Top quality pilots there Malaysia...

    >Malaysian woman holds world record as first female pilot of a MiG-29 jet.
    If you ignore Maj. Svetlana Protassova, and the East German fighter pilots...

    >F-16 as used by third world country of Singapork is no match for RMAF MiG-29
    The export Fulcrum is probably dead vs the Block F-16s Singapore uses, and that's wothout even going into the maintenance of RMAF aircraft (how is that A-4 purchase working for you?)

    >This thread is now property of Royal Malaysian Air Force
    And much like your jet engines, will be lost within months, lead to the firing of 40 air force personnel for theft and conspiracy, and be found in Uraguay a year later.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:47 No.13100678

    My bad.
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:50 No.13100697
    No biggie.

    Glad to see you here, sukhoi!
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:51 No.13100703
    And out of nowhere, sukhoi swoops in, and blows the idiot to pieces.

    Reading about the engine scandal right now. Nice touch there sukhoi.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:51 No.13100708
    MIG-29N Exercise

    MIG-29N(9.12SD)with Topaz radar(N019M),TACAN and ICAO and IFF they also got wiring for R-77, A-A refuelling, some new TWS mode for radar (2 targets can be attacked simultaneously with RVV-AE), as well as some kind of Gardenya internal jammer and one LCD in cockpit installed

    MAJOR ADEX exercise:
    RMAF Migs have gained a number of VFR 'killed'against RAAF FA18 and RSAF F16C/D.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:51 No.13100714

    Fly Fish exercises 2003

    First event - Close air combat
    Our pilots manage to shutdown 20 – 0 Harrier until the RAF pilots do not want to continue this CaC exercise.

    Second event – BVR engagements
    Since Harrier was equip with powerfully Blue Eyes Radar and AMRAAN and our MiG29N has equip with Topaz and Alamo it was NOT a fair fight. Our MiG has lost in BVR engagements.
    ps: They really take it hard those brits :P

    It was not a fair fight since our Radar can’t match Blue Eyes Radar. The step has been taken to improving the BVR capability by upgrading this aircraft to SMT standard with have more powerfully Zhuk - M Radar, Hotas and upgrading Data Bus and new engine. As for BVR missile R77 – Adder, Malaysia won’t introduce this missile into this region. On others case our pilots has manage to shutdown numbers of F16. This meaning our MiG29N still relevant and could match F16 Block 52

    Churinga 96 Exercise :

    The MiG-29 Fulcrum is at this time regionally deployed by Malaysia and India. The aircraft, which was designed to challenge the F-15A in Warpac airspace, has acquitted itself well in recent Malaysian IADS exercises with the RAAF. Numerous reports indicate that the 77 SQN deployment to the Churinga 96 Exercise led to the "scoring" defeat of the RAAF contigent by the RMAF MiG-29/Archer force. While the MiG-29 has combat radius performance inferior to the F/A-18, it has superlative agility and is an excellent dogfighter by any standard


    Then they went back and buy some AIM-120B AMRAAM

    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:52 No.13100721

    exercise AIRTHAMAL

    RTAF F16 OCU also have been killed by the NO 17/19 sqn.

    Exercise Starfish

    RAAF pilots were unpleasantly surprised by enhanced combat effectiveness of the upgraded MiG-29Ns in air to air combat. Most RAAF F18 were 'shot' down before they could achieve a firing solution on the MiGs.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:53 No.13100728
    Is it wrong that I imagine you appearing like Deus Ex Machina in that plane when my mercenary squadron is in trouble?

    And then you fly off with this music swelling

    Roll Credits.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:53 No.13100730
    RMAF pilots flying the MiG-29N in excercise with the US Navy have regularly bested the F-18 Hornet of USN. According to Asian Defence Journal RMAF MIG29 has also defeated f16 rsaf and f18 australian air force on mock air combat execise. If you look back to history of military exercise, RMAF MiG-29N has mostly defeat the F-18 and F-16. Malaysian MiG-29's, upgraded with recent Russian and Western technology, fought mock air battles with Australia's F/A-18A Hornets. The MiGs succeeded in downing all of the Australian Hornets during simulated air combat battles in both medium and short range combat. The Malaysians used AA-10, AA-12 and AA-11 missiles, against Australia's AIM-9 and AIM-7 Sparrow missiles. It has been reported that Malaysian AA-11 Archer missiles have a better warhead, longer range and a better IR sensor.

    According to source, M'sia has 22 best MIG pilots in the world/Asia. We can boldly say that Malaysia have the strongest air force in Asia.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:53 No.13100733

    Listening to 'Liberation of Gracemeria' right now.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:54 No.13100737
    Malaysia will receive the first 18 Sukhoi Su-30-MKM Flanker fighters with air superiority diameter of up to Australia and Hong kong., the most advanced versions of the Su-27 warplane, and probably the best airplane in the world after the F-22 Raptor. The Su-30MKM will be the ultimate fighter aircraft in the shifting balance of regional air power in the south asean region.

    With units like MiG-29, Su-30MKM and F/A-18D, the Malaysian air force can potentially beat any contemporary adversaries.
    The export of Su-30s created alot of tensions/concerns around the world - Malaysian airforce acquired Su-30MKM turned into much capable airforce in the region and indirectly forced Austrilian airforce to consider and pay attention to its airforce. Australia and Singapore long term plan to acquire the F-35 or maybe F-22 in meantime use inadequate stopgap measure of F-18F super hornet and F-15E strike eagle... but given the lower training standard of australian and singapore pilots this poses no threat to Malaysia.

    RMAF hornets are equipped with the more advanced AGP-73 radar and better engines than the RAAF Hornet or Singapore F-16/F-15

    RMAF MIG-29s, are using the NO-019ME Topaz radar.With this radar and the R-77 MiG-29N can engage 2 targets at the same time.

    With this, Malaysia has a clear edge in BVR combat compared to its neighbours.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:55 No.13100745

    What happened to Steve?

    Also, callsigns are earned, not given?
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:56 No.13100747
    Sukhoi and SingaPORK/Indiafags = TOLD.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/10/10(Fri)10:56 No.13100749

    >Go to google
    >Search Churinga 96 excercise
    > First 5 results-
    >Numerous reports indicate that the 77 SQN deployment to the Churinga 96 Exercise led to the "scoring" defeat of the RAAF contigent by the ...
    >Numerous reports indicate that the 77 SQN deployment to the Churinga 96 Exercise led to the "scoring" defeat of the RAAF contigent by the ...
    >Numerous reports indicate that the 77 SQN deployment to the Churinga 96 Exercise led to the "scoring" defeat of the RAAF contigent by the ...
    >Numerous reports indicate that the 77 SQN deployment to the Churinga 96 Exercise led to the "scoring" defeat of the RAAF contigent by the ...
    >Numerous reports indicate that the 77 SQN deployment to the Churinga 96 Exercise led to the "scoring" defeat of the RAAF contigent by the ...

    Ahhhh, nothing like some trolling to pass the time.
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)10:56 No.13100750
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    But enough unpleasantness!

    Have some Bill & John:

    #1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wEURyjB3Lc

    #2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDHQjTxDRYk&feature=fvw
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 12/10/10(Fri)10:58 No.13100759
    >Our pilots manage to shutdown 20 – 0 Harrier until the RAF pilots do not want to continue this CaC exercise.
    Actually, the engagement had the RMAF planes armed with missiles, and learning ACM vs Harriers from a British training squadron. The Harriers were playing targets, and working through maneuvers so the RMAF pilots could practice. And the BVR stuff you already mentioned, your aircraft isn't competitive because it is an export model.

    >MAJOR ADEX exercise: RMAF Migs have gained a number of VFR 'killed'against RAAF FA18 and RSAF F16C/D.
    Yes, you shot down three, for the loss of 24 on your side. Good job.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:58 No.13100760
    >The MiG-29 Fulcrum is at this time regionally deployed by Malaysia and India. The aircraft, which was designed to challenge the F-15A in Warpac airspace, has acquitted itself well in recent Malaysian IADS exercises with the RAAF. Numerous reports indicate that the 77 SQN deployment to the Churinga 96 Exercise led to the "scoring" defeat of the RAAF contigent by the RMAF MiG-29/Archer force. While the MiG-29 has combat radius performance inferior to the F/A-18, it has superlative agility and is an excellent dogfighter by any standard.

    RAAF cannot even defeat MiG-29 of RMAF, yet alone the new Su-30MKM.

    Singapork and Ausfalia are not match for air force Malaysia.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)10:59 No.13100773
    The only person I see getting schooled is you, Malayan butthurt.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)11:01 No.13100781

    How about 'Chasing the Angels' for some classic '80s rock?
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)11:01 No.13100782
    You know, it is almost cruel to watch sukhoi take this fag apart. Like clubbing a baby seal.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)11:03 No.13100796
    >Yes, you shot down three, for the loss of 24 on your side. Good job.
    Propaganda lies.

    RMAF have only 17 MiG-29 in total.

    24 is the no. of Singapork F-16 shot down.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)11:03 No.13100798
    And for kicks, put in "Always" by Erasure for the Unicorn flight.
    >> Da Killboss 12/10/10(Fri)11:06 No.13100824

    So you're saying the Malayan MiG's got killed twice?

    That's actually kind of impressive, in a retarded way.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 12/10/10(Fri)11:06 No.13100826
    24 shot down over the course of the exercise. Mind you, since this is the same copy paste job you pulled the last time I had to set you straight, I doubt you remember that this is the second time I've told you this.

    The RMAF has horrible maintenance, and is corrupt at the top end. The line fighter pilots are average, but are let down by their equipment which is poorly maintained and most often non-functional.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)11:08 No.13100849

    Hey, did you know that Korea utara yang terbaik Korea?
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)11:10 No.13100863
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    >And for kicks, put in "Always" by Erasure for the Unicorn flight.


    I actually have that on my own cellphone/mp3 player's Planes & Mercs playlist.

    I wasn't sure whether to include it on the soundtrack or not.
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)11:23 No.13100969
    By the way, sukhoi, since you're here: Can I ask you some questions under the purview of your expertise?

    What are your thoughts on the JF-17?

    I just went over the MAS plane sheets and noticed that the stats for looked pretty arbitrary vis-a-vis the HAL Tejas (I mean +2s for every category for a medium technology aircraft desiged to be affordable?).
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)11:24 No.13100977
    >vis-a-vis the HAL Tejas

    And all the other light aircraft for that matter.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 12/10/10(Fri)11:33 No.13101038
    It's a pretty standard light fighter/attack aircraft, with modern avionics. F-16 comparable almost, although not with the newest block.
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)11:38 No.13101067
    Know anything about how the airframe is performance-wise?

    Because I barely know anything about what it can do.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 12/10/10(Fri)11:51 No.13101142
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    It's underpowered vis a vis most Air Superiority fighters, but it is fuel efficient. It is broadly comparable to the F-35 in terms of airborne performance, the F-35 gets the nod in electronics and Lo-Obs though. However, that being said, the JF-17 is a cheap light multirole fighter. The JSF is a bomb truck, and is heavier, and carries more payload (double!) the JF-17.

    If you wanted too, you wouldn't be too far off thinking of the JF-17 as the F-20 of the modern age. Except successful.
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)12:11 No.13101188
    >If you wanted too, you wouldn't be too far off thinking of the JF-17 as the F-20 of the modern age. Except successful.

    Ooohhh. That sounds good to me. I mean, I know it wouldn't stack up much against the bigger, more expensive 4th generation fighters. But if it's anything like what the F-20 would have been, I like.

    I asked because I'm figuring out whether or not my character (ex-Pakistani Air Force, AtA specialization) would go for it as opposed to getting a more advanced Mirage variant (5 up from IIIC) or what not as an immediate upgrade, since his background is that he flew a F-16A (a J-7 before that).

    I'm hoping to eventually get him flying an F-16 Block 60. (I know, I know there are better planes for air superiority, but I figured it's what his character would want.)
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)12:12 No.13101196
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    Forgot my pic.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 12/10/10(Fri)12:15 No.13101220
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    I'm not sure why, but I love fastpack falcons.
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)12:20 No.13101247
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    >I'm not sure why, but I love fastpack falcons.

    So would the JF-17 make for a good (affordable) upgrade for an AtA character like mine?
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)12:29 No.13101292
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    Yall fuckers can't deny, I be ballin yo!
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)12:31 No.13101301
    The fuck? dumbass is flying with his engine covers still on?

    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)12:34 No.13101311
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    F-16, Living Xtra Large!
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)12:35 No.13101320
    I have to admit, for a trainer, the Yak-130 looks pretty good.

    >flying Patiessi
    Whatever that is.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)12:45 No.13101367
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    I don't even know, what kind of perks did the UAE get from using the Block 60 when nobody else does? What's in it for them that everyone else has passed up? I guess what I'm asking is what advantages do you get in the 60 over the Block 50/52, and if they are miniscule, why not opt out for something else?

    on a related note, I did see 2 UAE F-16s take off from Tuscon International Airport once, but I couldn't confirm if they were Block 60s.
    >> Nachtmaren Dragoon 12/10/10(Fri)12:50 No.13101399

    Goddamnit, I forgot about that thing. now I have to add it to the F-16 entry for my take on P&M.

    along with the F-16ATF Proposal. and whatever >>13101367 is, since that looks like a 16 with a weird wing and tail layout.

    Also: since I'm here. F-14E+ "turbo cat", as an homage to swatkats. add it in the statblocks for P&M?
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)13:10 No.13101536
    Well, there's the:
    -AN/APG-80 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar which pretty much makes it a 4.5 generation fighter jet
    -The conformal fuel tanks providing for an 2,045 liters worth of fuel and which frees up hardpoints for weapons.
    -The multi-purpose FLIR/IRST that's built in to it.
    -The Falcon Edge Integrated Electronic Warfare Suite RWR
    -The AN/ALQ-165 Self-Protection Jammer
    -And the more powerful General Electric F110-GE-132 engine.

    Basically, better engine, bigger fuel tanks, and and significantly better avionics
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)13:38 No.13101774
    Needs more Reprisal, and more Ace Combat in general.

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    Best plane ever.
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    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)17:09 No.13103329
    Pierre Desrochers sipped the cool water from the bottle, looking out the window at the scene on the street. A few people wandered between the dilapidated buildings, eyes low, feet shuffling across the dirt streets of the town. The air hung heavy in the late afternoon, the constant humidity clinging to every surface. Every breath in this hot humid air was laborious, it was like drowning in sickening dampness. Pierre looked up at the dark clouds obscuring the sky, but refusing to give up their cargo of rainfall. He put the bottle down, and began to put on his shirt and medical coat, and feeling them immediately cling to his sweat covered skin. 'This place really is the definition of hell,' he thought as he tossed a weathered copy of the King James into his backpack, 'Everyone is suffering and many die daily. It's intolerably hot, there is no reprieve, for water does not quench and sweat does not cool.'
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)17:10 No.13103335
    Pierre knew that in addition to simply the environmental conditions was the added threat of political instability. Not a day went by that he didn't see a villager come in with horrific wounds. Bullet wounds were actually the easiest to deal with, they either died quickly, or a simple surgery and with luck, a slow recovery. No, it was the knife wounds. Some of the bandits, calling themselves patriots, found the most creative ways to torture and mutilate the human body. The worst were the “reprisals”, where a barely conscious patient would stagger into what passed for a hospital, blood pouring from several torn wounds, in which feces and dirt had been spread. If they didn't die from bleeding out, the infection almost inevitably took them. Pierre winced, and gripped the sides of his sink, trying to block out the sight of the young boy. In a daze, he grabbed a tablet of Ativan out of the bottle, and with shaking hands placed it under his tongue. He closed his eyes, and waited, waited for the images to disappear. Slowly a feeling of warmth suffused his muscles, and he opened his eyes, taking in his reflection in the mirror. He hadn't shaved in days, his coat was stained yellow with sweat and some congealed blood was partially smeared over the Médicins sans Frontières logo. His perpetually clammy skin, his hair matted against his scalp and his eyes staring back at him, bloodshot and tinged a light yellowish hue, signs of yet another third world parasitic infection.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)17:11 No.13103347
    A noise, a shallow thump from outside made Pierre turn slowly towards the window, just in time to see on oncoming shockwave race across the ground, tossing dirt off the street and shaking dust loose from buildings. The sharp clap of an explosion followed close behind, echoing down the streets. Pierre held his shirt up over his mouth to keep the dust slowly falling from the rafters out of his mouth, and headed out onto the street to get a better look.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)17:12 No.13103362
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    He staggered out of the apartment block in time to see a dark shape dart past the river, followed by the unmistakable roar of a jet engine. Pierre's mind struggled to comprehend the information his senses were sending him. There was a large plume of smoke rising from near the river, close to where Pierre knew the main road bridge was. Several people were now in the street, looking at the rising column of smoke, some rushing towards it, others running back to their houses. Pierre began to see people stumbling out of the woods, shell-shocked. Most of them were injured, some dragging others away from the site of the bombing, screaming and yelling for help. A slight whistling sound tugged at Pierre's mind, trying to worm it's way past the other thoughts rushing through his head. He suddenly tensed, then threw himself to the ground, realizing at the last second what the noise was. A nearby shanty took the shell, it's tin walls seeming to expand outwards as the mortar charge detonated inside, before giving into the pressure and collapsing, the roof crashing down into the debris and smoke. Pierre pushed off the rusty brown dirt that formed the street, and stumbled back into his dwelling long enough to grab his backpack, before rushing back out onto the street as more mortar shells began to fall. There was nothing he could do for these people right now, he had to get to where he was of use. In a daze, he focused on the white two story hospital at the end of the road, and sprinted, as small muted explosions began to wash over the city in a deadly rain of fire and shrapnel.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)17:14 No.13103383
    Pierre rushed into the Hospital, muffled explosions following. It took his eyes several seconds to adjust to the dim light inside the building, they were running on the generator again it seemed. A hit close to the Hospital shook the building, knocking what few pictures there were off the walls, glass shattering on the dusty tile floor. A terrified nurse ran up to Pierre, her face white, the muscles of her face strained taught trying to hide her fear from the patients that were in the reception. “Mon dieu, Doctor, what's happening out there?” Pierre grabbed her roughly by the shoulders, and trying to keep his voice calm, intoned “I'm not sure, someone's shooting at the village. Get the surgery prepped, break out the emergency supplies, and prepare to commence triage with the other nurses.” Pierre knew that these few early moments were critical, before the flood of wounded began to make their way through the doors, every second preparing for them was essential. He grabbed a bottle of nearby anti-septic and began to clean his hands, heading towards the trauma room. As he walked, a corner of his mind noticed that his hands were shaking again. Just as he entered the room, the sharp crack of gunshots in the distance began to make their way through the village. Pierre stopped in his tracks, hearing the shouts and screams begin outside the hospital, as automatic weapons fire erupted in the village. 'So, it's finally happening,' he thought as he approached the dispensary, 'the rebels are making a push, no matter the cost.'
    >> Sgt. Varn !q8XtSW4.HY 12/10/10(Fri)17:30 No.13103515
    I just read that the other day on 1d4chan, very good writing.

    Does anyone else think that the GM may have just given up on this, or that maybe he was kidnapped by Hill-folk or whacked by the Mafia and won't be coming back? Seriously, it's been like over a week since the start of the first mission. It looks like the GM was using modified MAS rules to play maybe; is anyone interested in maybe trying to take over and run it, maybe on the PAM forums to help keep everything organized and whatnot.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:11 No.13103869
    The curtain at the far end of the trauma ward was thrown open, and two men rushed in, carrying a third, bloodied and screaming in pain on makeshift stretcher made of tin. “Put him down there” Pierre shouted as he rushed to the man's side, seeing gaping tear of flesh along the man's leg. It was a gunshot wound, and a few quick probes with his fingers quickly confirmed that the bullet had struck the man's tibia, shattering the bone in multiple places. Pierre quickly cleaned the wound, and applied a rough field bandage to staunch the man's bleeding. He turned to one of the men standing over the victim and shouted “Stop being useless, hold this here, like this, keep the pressure on, and you!” he turned to the other, “stop taking up space and get out of here now, this is for the wounded only!” More wounded were filtering in now, the one's who could be saved Pierre noted. From the sounds emanating from the hallway, the screams and shouts of pain, the nurses were doing their job, choosing who would live and who would die. The gunshots outside were getting closer, clearer, as was the shouting. The hospital shook and the lights dimmed slightly as another jet roared over, its engines temporarily drowning out all the chaos with their howl.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:13 No.13103888
    Pierre rushed to the window, and saw the aircraft in the distance, as tracers from the ground reached up, streams of brilliant staggered orange fire, seeking to swat the offending target out of the sky. He wasn't sure if the plane took a hit or not, because the pilot pitched the aircraft up, rocketing it quickly into the clouds and out of sight. It was then that the scene on the streets hit Pierre. The small garrison of DRC troops had taken a direct hit, and whatever remained was being shot at by bands of rebel soldiers. They were running down the streets, firing at whoever moved, firing into the air, shouting and yelling as they went. Ramshackle trucks with guns crudely mounted to their beds sped down the dusty streets, firing wildly. Most of the rebels had that crazed look indicative of paya, a mixture of cocaine and gunpowder that they snorted to get high before going into battle. They took it to make them feel invincible.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:16 No.13103910
    Desrochers saw a young girl on the street, and was about to shout a warning when a rebel suddenly grabbed her, and pulled her into an alley between two shanty huts. Without thinking, Pierre vaulted over the railing into the street, coming up in a hunched over sprint. He held his hands over his head, knowing even as he did so, that it was a pointless exercise should one of the bullets whizzing past him find its target. He rushed into the alley, quickly spotting the girl and her assailant, who was standing over her torn dress as she wept into the dirt of the alley. With two quick steps he arrived behind the coked out warrior, and swung his left fist hard into the side of the man's neck. The sharp blow dropped the bastard, stunned by the shocking trauma to both his jugular and spinal cord. Without waiting, Pierre kicked the man's gun away, and dropped his knee into the man's throat, the barest crack signifying that the windpipe and trachea had been crushed. Pierre turned to see the girl pick herself up and begin running away, out the opposite end of the sheltered alley, when suddenly, her body was ripped apart by rifle rounds, collapsing bloodily to the ground in a grotesque parody of a rag doll. Pierre's vision swam as the scene replayed itself in his mind, the chaos, shouts and gunfire all dulling to a drone as his mind continued to see the bullets impacting the helpless child. His body began to shake, and he collapsed on his side beside the dying rebel, trying to force the image out of his mind, trying to convince himself this madness wasn't real.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:17 No.13103920
    The ground around Pierre shook, and a wave of heat rushed down the alley, sending a blast of hot air peppered with dust and debris into the doctor's face. The superheated air ripped at his exposed skin, and tore the last of the air from his lungs. A terrifying rippling crack pounded at Pierre's eardrums, sending waves of pain deep into his skull, the sound seeming to physically impact his already tortured body. The agony lasted for what seemed to last for ages, but finally mercifully receded, and Pierre propped himself up on an elbow. Blinking as his head continued to reel from the sensory assault, he tried to focus on his surroundings. His vision swam, distorting the shapes and angles of the alley, and his ears rang, with only the vaguest sounds of gunfire making their way into his reality. Unsteadily, Pierre began to crawl towards the opposite end of the alley, smelling oily smoke and cordite as he pressed forward. Arriving at the exit of the alley, he collapsed into a sitting position with his back to the concrete wall of a building. The scene that greeted his eyes was nightmarish, a gruesome tableau of bloodied and mangled corpses mixed in with the odd whimpering casualty. At the far end of the main road Pierre could see a large white transport plane with the characteristic black stencil UN prominently displayed on the tail. Soldiers were dismounting quickly from the plane, as the sound of jets racing overhead again overwhelmed the shouts and gunfire that still raged throughout the village. Turning back to the street, Pierre's eyes saw several destroyed vehicles with flames raging inside them. One had a body half out the window, the crackling flames hissing and popping as they devoured the body's oils, the skin on the face slowly burning away, revealing the macabre outline of the blackening skull underneath.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:17 No.13103926
    Pierre turned back, something in the back of his mind making him look at the UN plane again. Something didn't fit, the men clambering out were not wearing the characteristic blue helmets or berets of a UN force, nor were they comporting themselves like a peacekeeping force. As he continued to watch, he saw them splitting up, heading into the alleys and backstreets in groups of two or four, moving like highly trained assault troops. New sounds began to emerge from the village, short bursts of automatic rifle fire, short yells of surprise cut off by a quick crack and then silence. Something flashed at the corner of Pierre's vision, and he saw a family sprinting from their hiding place across the street. The mother was shouting as the father carried one of his daughters who was bleeding, and two little boys followed as they all rushed for the relative safety of a house or shop. One of the boys stopped suddenly, and reached down to pick something up off the street. As another aircraft blazed over the town at speed, Pierre realized with a start what had caused the destruction in the street. His eyes widened in fear and he began to shout but it was too late. The unexploded submunition from the air dropped cluster bomb, jarred by the boy's grabbing of it, detonated with a sickly soft pop, it's fragmentation covering sending razor sharp shrapnel tearing through the boy, quickly converting the vast majority of him to a bloody pulp where he stood. The family kept running, and Pierre realized that none of them had seen what had happened, none of them knew they had just had a portion of their lives brutally torn from them. He rolled over onto his side, and retched into the rust-colored dirt of the alley.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:20 No.13103947
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    Pierre began to shake, small uncontrollable spasms that sought to contort his body. Desperately he thrust his hand into his pocket, seeking the bottle of Ativan. He pulled it out and unscrewed the cap, but in trying to pour out a tablet, his shaking hands spilled them onto the ground. Pierre needed the relief, and pawed at the dirt covered alley for them as the sickly sweet smell of spent powder and burning gasoline surrounded him. His outstretched hand finally found one of the tablets, and he quickly jammed it under his tongue, closing his eyes and waiting for the drug to take effect. Even with his eyes closed, Pierre couldn't block out the battle continuing to rage around him, the sounds and smells just intensified when he couldn't see. He heard shouts and footsteps, sporadic gunfire and cries of pain, the distant thump of small explosions. Sharp cracks quickly drew Pierre out of his drug induced stupor, as men in uniform rushed past him, firing at some unseen enemy. He started to get up, but was roughly pushed back into the dirt by another man carrying a rifle, who seemed to be shouting at him. Pierre shook his head, and pushed back the sounds of battle to hear the man telling him to stay down. The man was wearing the uniform of France but looked Hispanic. The man turned and fired down the alley, the piercing gunshots echoing off the concrete and tin walls and making Pierre's head feel like it was being split open from the inside. Through the dust and smoke, the patch on the man's sleeve caught Pierre's eye, a flaming fleur de lis, and the words "Légion étrangère" underneath it. The legion, they were here to stop the madness, and for a moment, Pierre felt a glimmer of hope as he sat in the alley, Legionnaires firing heavily at the building across the street.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:22 No.13103972
    As Pierre covered his ringing ears against the oppressive sound of high powered rifles, he realized with a creeping dread that they were firing at the hospital. Looking over the legionnaires, he saw armed militants on the balconies and in the windows of the hospital, and a ruined technical out front. The militants had commandeered the building at some point, and were now firing wildly at the Legion troops surrounding the edifice. One of the many legionnaires in the alley was talking hurriedly into a radio, while simultaneously giving hand instructions to the trooper beside him. The trooper nodded a quick agreement, then ran past Pierre before clambering up the wall of one of the buildings that lined the alleyway. Pierre heard and felt the troopers boots pounding on the tin roof overhead, and looked back towards the hospital where the firing had died down, apparently they were trying to negotiate with the militants holding the patients and doctors hostage. One of the rebels slowly emerged from the entrance, holding a white coated doctor in front of him as a human shield. The militant had his AK pressed up under the chin of the doctor, and as Pierre's vision cleared, he saw through the smoke that it was Rémi, a young doctor on her first tour. The legionnaires were shouting at the militant to drop his weapon, the militant was shouting something about freedom, and Rémi was crying, face white and etched with fear.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:28 No.13104011
    The confrontation continued to play itself out in the street, with both sides shouting and yelling at each other, weapons raised. Pierre got to his feet unsteadily, and added his voice to the multitudes, shouting “Rémi, restez calme, it will all be ok!” Her head turned, looking for the familiar voice amidst the shouts and chaos. “Ici Rémi! Over here” shouted Pierre, waving his hands, seeing her look towards him, tears streaming down her face. In the distance, Pierre heard a sound like rolling thunder and as he turned to look in the direction of the noise the legionnaires around him crouched down behind whatever cover they could find in the alley. Pierre heard the strained voice of Rémi just as he spotted the twin soot trails of the jet fighters arcing towards the hospital, “Pierre! Aide-moi! Au nom de dieu aide moi Pierre!”
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:30 No.13104027
    >just as he spotted the twin soot trails of the jet fighters arcing towards the hospital

    Oh shit.jpg
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:31 No.13104035
    >The unexploded submunition from the air dropped cluster bomb, jarred by the boy's grabbing of it, detonated with a sickly soft pop,

    Christ, I knew it was coming, but damn the author is a cold hearted bastard.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:32 No.13104047
    They came in fast and low, the pressure wave from their wings and engines tearing tin sheets and canvas roofing from houses, like vortexes of destruction dragged behind the racing jets. Pierre saw small shapes drop from their wings, and in an instant both aircraft had passed over the hospital, twin shadows of blurred steel and fire ripping across the sky. A split second later the sound of their engines slammed into the ground, a terrifying banshee like scream, the fires from their reheat systems glowing like some demonic presence as the aircraft angled up away from the town, easily dodging the rocket trails some of the rebels sent their way. Ignoring his better judgement, Pierre flung himself out of the alley, trying to reach Remi, whose eyes were still locked in shock on the departing fighters. The militia fighter saw Remi, and began to swing his gun towards the charging doctor when the world turned into a maelstrom of fire and fury. Pierre saw Rémi and her captor outlined in a blinding flash as the hospital suddenly converted itself into an inferno. He slammed his eyes shut just before the punishing shockwave barreled into his frame, propelling him away from the hospital. The explosion knocked the wind out of Pierre's chest and sent chunks of brick, metal, and wood flying through the air like deadly projectiles, tearing through surrounding buildings and anyone unfortunate to be in their path. Pierre felt something impact his left leg, and a second later, a blinding pain seared through his nervous system, as if someone had poured sulfuric acid into his veins. He screamed in agony, gasping for breath as the fire and secondary explosions continued to rake the ruined hospital, consuming the air around it to fuel its flaming pyre.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)18:35 No.13104075
    He wasn't sure if he blacked out or not. His vision blurred as he opened his eyes, screams and shouts filled his ears. Then the pain came back like a sledgehammer, his leg seemingly on fire. He wiped the blood off his face and out of his eyes, unsure if it was his own, and propped himself up on one elbow, surveying the damage to his limb. Aside from the pain, Pierre felt amazingly distanced from the sight greeting his eyes. A large shard of metal protruded from his leg, embedded deeply into a wound sopping with blood. A multitude of other cuts from smaller debris had ripped his pants and shirt in various places, his clothes stained a wet sanguine red. Tentatively he reached down to the metal shard, and touched it. He almost collapsed in agony, feeling the embedded end scrape along his bone, his nervous system overloaded by the pain searing across his leg. Not even bothering to count them out, Pierre scooped his pill bottle and swallowed its contents, trying to drown out the pain. Mercifully, the soporific washed through him, dulling the pain to a bearable roar. Propping himself up again, he placed one hand firmly around the shrapnel, and with a decisive yank, removed the offending metal from his leg. Gritting his teeth against the pain, Pierre viciously lashed a scrap of his coat sleeve around the wound, fighting with each breath to remain conscious. He looked up, seeing through the blood and sweat partially obscuring his vision that the hospital was ablaze, half of it collapsed in on itself. Screams and shouts from withing the blaze were barely audible, and Pierre realized that both of his eardrums had likely been destroyed by the bombing. Placing a hand to his ear, feeling the fluid coming out of it confirmed his theory, and he screamed again, partly in pain, partly at the madness of it all.
    >> Sgt. Varn !q8XtSW4.HY 12/10/10(Fri)18:56 No.13104320
    sukhoi was the one who wrote it.

    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)19:05 No.13104399
    Around him, the soldiers were advancing down the street, with a token few staying in the area. Pierre heard with dread the growl of the fighters approaching again, and covered his head with his hands, curling into a ball on the street, in some primitive form of survival instinct. The jets again passed low over the village, heading south towards where the fighting was the thickest. They roared over Pierre, pushing his body heavily into the ground and whipping up the loose debris that littered the street. In the distance Pierre heard the dull thuds of more explosions, and felt the ground shake as the munitions struck in the south end of the village. A terrifying explosion pierced through the grumble of detonations, and as Pierre opened his eyes to look south, he saw a massive fireball peeling into the air, as the village church's bell tower fell, seemingly in slow motion, into the inferno. A moan drew Pierre's attention back to the hospital. The heat from the blaze distorted the air around it, but through the haze Pierre saw an arm, blackened from heat, protruding from underneath a charred corpse. With a wince, Pierre rolled onto his stomach, and crawled towards the faint noise, shouting from his ragged throat, “Hang on Rémi!”, praying that he wouldn't be too late.
    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)19:17 No.13104506
    Pierre pushed forward, dragging his body across the street, every motion sending a dull pain through his body. The sounds of the firefight were getting more distant, only the moans and screams of the wounded, the crackling of the fires remained. He reached the arm, and heaved the charred and mutilated corpse off of the body underneath, fighting the urge to vomit as the smell of cooked flesh washed around him. The corpse rolled off, exposing Rémi, face caked with blood and dirt, underneath. Pierre examined her, shouting her name as he looked for obvious injuries. She had many, her ears were bleeding, one of her eyes seemed seared shut, in fact part of her face and the side of her body were badly burned. Wounds also speckled her body, cuts slowly weeping blood out into the dirt of the street. In many places her clothing had been burned or torn away, but the brunt of the damage from the explosion seemed to have been absorbed by the militia man standing between her and the blast. She was unconscious, and Pierre began to feel along her body for fractures, not wanting to move her until he knew he wouldn't injure her more. An explosion from within the hospital quickly changed his mind and he flung his body over hers as bricks and mortar rained down on the street, several striking him on the back. Gritting his teeth, and ignoring the pain, he roughly grabbed the back of Rémi's collar, and violently began dragging her across the street, away from the hospital, every step sending a wave of agony through his body. He had to get her out of here, out of this insanity. He stumbled and half crawled his way off the street, into the beginnings of the jungle undergrowth, heading for the river, and a boat. There was an outpost thirty miles downstream, she'd could be helped there.
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)20:44 No.13105158
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    >> Anonymous 12/10/10(Fri)22:12 No.13105932
    >> girder 12/10/10(Fri)22:39 No.13106114
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    Y'know I used to dislike jets with that body type, but now it's grown on me.
    >> Jack "Flapjack" Morrison 12/11/10(Sat)00:41 No.13107394
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    >> "Gatos" Perron 12/11/10(Sat)02:30 No.13108480
    Just how hard is it to run this type of game? Do people prefer Mercenary air squadron or Air war? I have tomorrow off, and it seems like it would be fun to run a game.
    >> girder 12/11/10(Sat)02:56 No.13108659
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    No idea, man.

    I've never GM'ed a game before, but I've got all the Mercenary Air Squadron stuff.

    I think I'll try to translate my character to the system. If it's okay with you guys, I'll try to do it for your characters too.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/10(Sat)03:10 No.13108729
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    MAS is almost more of a board game than an RPG. Its very simplistic and abstracted. Its also got a few problems I feel, starting pilots are almost worthless, especially when combined with the starting jets and armaments (just try hitting an enemy using a missile that requires a 3 or under on a d10, except your total greenhorn pilot is suffering a -1 or -2 penalty, so you've actually got a 10% or 20% chance to hit, and this is even if you manage to line up a shot on the enemy!), also the mission payouts are so minimal (at least at the start) you'll often piss away half the pay in upkeep costs and munitions (most of which'll miss). Even worse is that the loss of a single plane will financially cripple, if not bankrupt your fledgling MAS, especially if you loose the pilot too.

    Fuel is rather annoying as well. Then again, maybe I just reaaaally suck at the game...

    A final complaint, but not nesc. a good one is the plane selection is rather limited. I've been kicking around a few house rules and plane designs on and off for a few months, but I never really gave it much attention.
    >> girder 12/11/10(Sat)05:05 No.13109227
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    Hmm...so what system would you recommend?

    Is Air War any good?
    >> girder 12/11/10(Sat)05:46 No.13109441
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    >> I apologised on 4chan !!857o4GkKJgy 12/11/10(Sat)07:04 No.13109906
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    Air war is fantastic. Just the right mix of realism and abstract to make a good game.
    Missiles are fucking lethal, One-Shot-One-Kill bastard. Guns are short ranged but have better ammo, and Missiles need to lock on first leaded to lot's of maneouvering and counter-maneouvering.
    A battle between two planes can last forever, or just for a few turns, there's no way of knowing and it's incredibly tense throughout.

    Plus, both the basic rules and the expansion stats are on /rs/.

    Pic related: Stupid sexy Saab Aerospace.
    >> girder 12/11/10(Sat)07:26 No.13110023
    Sounds sweet.

    Thanks, man. I'll look into it.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/10(Sat)07:27 No.13110025
    i like that pic.

    the planet was stationed where i live, too bad its out of service now. sadfrog
    >> girder 12/11/10(Sat)07:51 No.13110131
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    Forever alone.

    That said, I think I'll try my hand at modifying the Air War and MAS rules. (I like the former's pilot customization, but the latter's simplicity appeals to me. Unfortunately Air War doesn't have stats for hte JF-17.)
    >> Anonymous 12/11/10(Sat)07:54 No.13110144

    Oh YF-23, you were so much sexier than the YF-22. Why did you not get made?

    Effing payload issues...
    >> girder 12/11/10(Sat)08:23 No.13110281
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    Well the contract was for a fighter, and the YF-23 WAS less maneuverable...

    That said, it is pretty sad....
    >> Anonymous 12/11/10(Sat)08:30 No.13110319

    Depends. As a tabletop wargame kind of deal, airwar is the better of the two. For RP purposes, MAS is better.

    Unless you want to put in the work to modify Airwar for RP.

    Personally, I and my players like the Airwar rules a little better, overall. Plus, I think things are more fun with lots of painted minis on the tabletop.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/10(Sat)09:10 No.13110558
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    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/11/10(Sat)10:27 No.13111086
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    Huh, I remember that... Want more?
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/11/10(Sat)10:28 No.13111099
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    >> Anonymous 12/11/10(Sat)10:31 No.13111134
    Mmm, Frozen Bones.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/11/10(Sat)10:33 No.13111145
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    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/11/10(Sat)10:35 No.13111161
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    Not quite sure what- YC-5?
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/11/10(Sat)10:38 No.13111178
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    Also not sure what with this Hogs nose....
    >> Jack "Flapjack" Morrison 12/11/10(Sat)15:08 No.13113337
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    >> Anonymous 12/11/10(Sat)20:08 No.13116962
    Anyone have any feedback on that draft over on the forums? Besides the hideous formatting, I mean.
    >> Jack "Flapjack" Morrison 12/11/10(Sat)22:19 No.13118327
    Which one specifically are you referring to?
    I saw the nWoD mod one, and I saw that there was another one by F-22 Fag, but all of the links were dead.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/11/10(Sat)22:42 No.13118527
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    He means the Air War C21 RPG mod that was posted on Friday.

    I've had a look, but I haven't commented because I have no opinions other than 'good start'. And comments on the formatting, but it's a draft so meh.

    Actually, I do have one comment- couldn't the aircraft data just be ripped from the Air War tables (it's got varients from just about every airforce for all time) and maybe from the modded ones put on the forums? I'm not sure if the bloke doing it is writing them all up manually..

    >welcome chawap
    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)00:22 No.13119746

    Well, I am and I'm not. Most of the stats are straight out of awirwar, but airwar lacks statblocks for some of the variants, especially unbuilt ones.

    as for just straight up copying and pasting, well.... I can't. it's actually not that tedious doing the statblock stuff, actually typing it. the research is killer though.
    >> girder 12/12/10(Sun)04:20 No.13121832
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    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)05:07 No.13122219
    I just had a thought and I can't find any info on it - do any anti-air missiles use fuel air warheads? Would this type of warhead be any good for shooting down planes?
    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)05:11 No.13122240
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    >> girder 12/12/10(Sun)05:23 No.13122316
    Short answer: No.

    AtA missiles use high-explosive/fragmentation warheads. Typically they aren't as big as what you'd see in a AtG missile since planes don't really have much in the way of armor.

    Also, seeing as how thermobaric weapons work to increase the duration of their blast waves I really don't see what the advantage would be in using them on fast-moving aircraft instead of standard HE/frag warheads.
    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)05:49 No.13122459

    Ah, so the fragmentation is more important than the blast effect for damaging planes?
    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)05:53 No.13122472
    I've just started playing F/A-18 Hornet OIF with a vengance, and I want to know something:

    Are ATA and ATG weapons this unreliable?

    I've had so many times where a *brainfart* long radar targeted ATA missile or an AIM-9 has exploded right beside the target, and done nothing. And Mavericks seem to have very dubious accuracy if launched beyond 5 miles.
    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)05:55 No.13122483

    The plane's moving so fast that the pressure wave is escaped, or negligable. Also, remember how stressful standard flying is. The frame can take it.

    On the other hand, armour is heavy, so fragmentation can still mess you up seriously.

    Question for the thread: Are there any man-portable anti-jet weapons?
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/12/10(Sun)06:04 No.13122506

    MANPADS sorta-kinda can be useful, but they've got a pretty short range so they only work head-on. Which is why all-aspect missiles like the newer Stingers and SA-14s.

    And most SAMs use frag warheads with a proximity fuse, for the same reason heavy AA use flak rounds- shrapnel can fuck up aircraft real bad real fast, especially if they get the engine, for the same reason why you try and avoid flying into flocks of birds.

    The only one I know of that doesn't use prox fusing is the Rapier- much smaller missile and warhead, but with a direct-contact detonator. A touch easier to avoid, apparently, but if it hits, you're fucked.
    >> girder 12/12/10(Sun)06:06 No.13122519
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    Only if the jet is flying really low and slow.


    Against jets you're better off using one of these.
    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)06:10 No.13122537
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    I discovered this, which is pretty damn cool. Some of the Russki missiles use it.
    >> girder 12/12/10(Sun)06:15 No.13122559
    Hmm...for some reason I think I may have seen this before.

    Interesting concept, regardless.
    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)09:34 No.13123588
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    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)09:37 No.13123622
    >Question for the thread: Are there any man-portable anti-jet weapons?

    Yes. Thousands of them. Even a rifle stands a good chance of taking out a fast mover if you get a hit. Anti-Air missiles are very deadly.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/12/10(Sun)09:41 No.13123661
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    Of course, most modern combat aircraft, aside from dedicated CAS attack craft (Warthog, Rook, Tacoma) can actually fly faster than most large calibre rifle rounds.
    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)09:51 No.13123767

    Rifle 5.56 NATO leaves the barrel at 970 meters per second, almost mach 2.7

    The hog can't go faster then mach .60 thanks to it's straight wing.
    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)09:56 No.13123830
    At low level most aircraft have difficulty breaking mach 1.2, so yeah, you are right. RIfle projectiles are much faster then a jet.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/12/10(Sun)10:21 No.13124047

    Fair point, didn't think bullets went faster than Mach 2. Although that is muzzle velocity, unless the aircraft was right in your face you'd have a hard time getting a hit in.
    >> girder 12/12/10(Sun)10:21 No.13124048
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    Upon further research those appear to be inlet panels that are used during take-off.
    >> Jack "Flapjack" Morrison 12/12/10(Sun)14:23 No.13126310
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    >> Anonymous 12/12/10(Sun)17:43 No.13128319
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    >> Anonymous 12/13/10(Mon)00:28 No.13132602
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    >> Anonymous 12/13/10(Mon)00:30 No.13132631

    ah, the F-5.

    used it the one time I got to play planes and mercs as my starting fighter. Shit was bank. great, cheap little multirole fighter. My only downfall was payload. couldn't carry shit.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/13/10(Mon)01:28 No.13133143

    Hang on, doesn't the Freedom Fighter have a pair of 20mm in upper nose, right infront of the pilot? Or was that only in the Tiger/Tigershark?
    >> Iron Lung 12/13/10(Mon)01:53 No.13133405
    hardware bump.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/10(Mon)05:46 No.13134867
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    >> Anonymous 12/13/10(Mon)07:04 No.13135350
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    So, uh, is Ace Combat or Lock On: Flaming Cliffs a better game?
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/13/10(Mon)07:24 No.13135424
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    Is Flaming Cliffs proper LO:MAC, or is it akin to what those fuckers have done to Janes?
    >> SoloWing !KLDy0BUddY 12/13/10(Mon)08:55 No.13135879
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    Kind of like trying to compare Civilization and Europa Universalis I guess, completely different sorts of games. I have to admit I haven't had the chance to play LOMAC myself (curse my macfaggotry) but from what I can tell, the difference is kind of like this: if LOMAC tries to be as close to real life as possible, Ace Combat is more like a Hollywood movie. Basically LOMAC is realistic combat flight simulation with detailed systems simulation, etc. versus Ace Combat's arcade flyan with absurd missile capacities, flying superweapons and over-the-top storylines. Both can be awesome in their own ways:


    Also, bring back Strangereal!
    >> girder 12/13/10(Mon)10:04 No.13136298
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    Both. The same gun even:
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/13/10(Mon)11:24 No.13136929


    Oh I see what you did there...

    And the new Ace Combat isn't too bad, it's just that they've decided to use real locations and countries. And thats about it- still plenty of elite mercs, experimental warplanes and superweapons like railguns firing massive flak/shock shells.
    >> SoloWing !KLDy0BUddY 12/13/10(Mon)11:50 No.13137110
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    If we're talking about Joint Assault, yeah, I actually agree. It wasn't _too_ bad. In terms of graphics, even quite impressive, especially considering the limited resources available on the PSP. Gameplay-wise, some of the gimmicks got rather repetitive, but otherwise it was solid. And I really liked the soundtrack, will probably be using it a lot in my Crimson Skies games. My only real complaint is that setting the plot in the real world actually made the story feel LESS realistic, whereas previously the Strangereal setting was carefully tailored to the story to cover up any of the most glaring potential plot holes. Basically the same reason I prefer homebrew settings in my RPGs to published campaign settings, the story always seems to fit in with the former more naturally. Oh, and then there was some of the English voice "acting", but at least they gave you the option of switching to Japanese voices.

    Can't really say anything about Assault Horizon yet other than that the trailer looks good, let's just hope they pull off the storyline a bit better there. In spite of the name field, my favorite still continues to be the one in AC5.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/10(Mon)12:18 No.13137316

    I haven't played Ace Combat but I always found the mix of real world aircraft designs and fictional countries to be pretty odd.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/10(Mon)13:33 No.13137835
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    >> "Gatos" Perron 12/13/10(Mon)14:46 No.13138437
    The fictional countries are just modern ones with the serial numbers filed off. Pronounce the names a couple of times, and you should be to hear what stand in they are, like Osea is USA.

    Also, is there an introductory campaign to air war? I'd likt to try running the game here, but I have no GM'ing experience.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/10(Mon)19:59 No.13141678
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    >> Anonymous 12/13/10(Mon)23:18 No.13144134
    That's a sexy piece of kit.
    >> Anonymous 12/13/10(Mon)23:50 No.13144492

    >2 ROTORS
    >2 ROTORS
    >2 ROTORS
    >SAN lose
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)00:19 No.13144824
    Counter-rotating so there is no need for a tail rotor, also if i remember correctly the blades are rigged to blow off, when the ejection seat is activated so the pilot dosnt eject into the whirling blades of death.
    >> Jack "Flapjack" Morrison 12/14/10(Tue)00:42 No.13145124
    Contra-rotating co-axial rotors are something of a specialty for Kamovs.
    Pictured is the Ka-52.

    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/14/10(Tue)00:43 No.13145137
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    Think the ejection scene in Goldeneye, when they're in the Tigre.

    Also, I think he was referring to the dogs w/ 2 LEGS! thread from a while ago...

    Also, fuck year, Werewolf!
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)01:06 No.13145427
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    Still the King.
    >> Da Killboss 12/14/10(Tue)02:37 No.13146327
    And so it begins...


    An upper-class British twit, cruisin' in a Tiger-II trying to pick up the ladies...
    A fair-dinkum Aussie who loves flying on the deck in a Flogger-J...
    A Norwegian cynic showboating in his Fishbed...
    And a Russian daredevil who thinks nothing of putting her MiG-23-98 into a 9.8G turn....

    Prepare for excitement, and adventure, and really wild things. Hopefully before the first instance of collateral damage...
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)02:39 No.13146345
    I'd really like to see the design of the Hind modernized. It's a gunship, it's a troop carrier, it's both! It'll take 12.7mm on the CANOPY while killing your entire village!
    >> Da Killboss 12/14/10(Tue)02:44 No.13146390

    Well, there's the Mi-24V and the SuperHind....
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)02:51 No.13146448
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    So, how about we just make a simplified game system for playing on this board? All units have a dedicated number score that you must beat to hit them (say an AA gun has a rating of 40, you must roll higher than that to hit it), universal modifiers to the score (cloudy weather gives a -10 to visual bombing and shooting), and aircraft have their own (bombers get a +20 to hitting any ground targets).

    AtA combat has similar modifiers in ranged combat, but gunfight ranged fights, you also have to roll a d8 for both planes. Let's say the attacking plane rolls a 4, and the defender must roll +/- 2 or greater in order to escape.

    Flares are Fate points.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)06:36 No.13147685
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    >> I apologised on 4chan !!857o4GkKJgy 12/14/10(Tue)06:46 No.13147728
    > Hopefully before the first instance of collateral damage...

    Oh what naive optimism.
    >> girder 12/14/10(Tue)06:57 No.13147783
    Here you go.

    I've been planning on doing just that by combining and modifying parts of Air War and MAS. I've been a bit too busy to get much done, but since the holidays are coming up I should have time to do it then.
    >> girder 12/14/10(Tue)06:59 No.13147794
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    Forgot my pic.
    >> girder 12/14/10(Tue)07:01 No.13147806
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    And some more...

    >Cinema! comedir

    Sounds like some kind of foreign comedy film in the same vein as "Be Kind Rewind."
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    >> girder 12/14/10(Tue)07:35 No.13147979
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    By the way, does anyone know what plane was it that had Sidewinder mounts in the top of its fuselage, and which actually had its handling improved when it had missiles mounted there?
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/14/10(Tue)08:01 No.13148115

    SEPECAT Jaguar. Originally a temp fix until the Tornado was available, it was actually rather effective at ground attack during the Gulf War- rough field capable, good payload and range, and very simple.

    So simple it didn't have any targeting systems for the rocket pods they equipped them with... the answer was the pilots drawing a circle on the canopy so they could aim.

    I'll see if I can find a vid I once saw- Jaguar taking off from a field, with huge dips. And not a single fuck was given.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/14/10(Tue)08:07 No.13148137
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    BAM! Rough-field capable!

    >> girder 12/14/10(Tue)08:19 No.13148192
    Ah, thanks.

    I had a hunch it may have been the Jaguar, but I didn't see any pictures of it with those mounts in any of my folders.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)09:55 No.13148764
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    I see two people are flying the Mig-23/27, what is it performance like, I always thought it was not a good plane?
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/14/10(Tue)10:02 No.13148826
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    AFAIK, the Flogger is a good interceptor, being swing-wing means it can do the high-speed pursuit and low-speed dogfight, like the Tomcat. It's not the best, but more than adequate.

    The Flogger-J is a heavier version, much less effective against aircraft, but with a much larger anti-armour cannon and more payload capability. Think of it as an early version of the Tornado.

    Of course, if anyone who actually knows what they're talking about wants to correct this....
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)10:14 No.13148935
    The Flogger to this day remains the single engine fighter with the most powerful powerplant. In fact (I think) only the F-22s engines are more powerful, maybe some of the Saturn's on the Flanker as well.

    It has some amazing time to climb times, but what is most impressive is that it can turn and burn at low altitude remarkably well, but not as well as the MiG-21. But, with it's power advantage, disengaging is a simple matter for the Flogger.

    The aircraft actually has a fair number of kills to its credit.
    >> A-10 Thunderbolt II 12/14/10(Tue)10:31 No.13149092
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    GUYS GUYS! Can I be an air superiority fighter too?
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)10:33 No.13149116
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    No. Now piss off. The real fighters have work to do.

    And also, you are a disgrace to the Original thunderbolt.
    >> A-10 Thunderbolt II 12/14/10(Tue)10:37 No.13149167
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    But I have triple-redundant flight systems and a really durable airframe. You don't have those things, F-22! Besides, you're only 13 years old. I don't have to listen to you.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)10:41 No.13149207
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    Son, shut up. I tried to get you into Air Combat, but you always wanted to play in the mud. You're good at it, there's nothing to be ashamed of, but you are not going to play with the other fighters. I tried, but we're just not built for it. Sure I could mess around a bit, but where I really excelled, was in the mud, like you. And while Mr. Raptor is something of an egotistical prick, he's way better then P-38s son, who's some form of hermaphrodite with no direction in life.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)10:45 No.13149242
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    Ello Boys, is Mr Raptor single?
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/14/10(Tue)10:52 No.13149307

    So does.... does that make the Viggen the MILF, or the Draken?

    And am I the only one who refuses to call the F-22 anything but the Lightning-II, and the F-35 the JSF?
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)10:57 No.13149373

    The JSF is the Lightning II. The F-22 is the Raptor.

    Also, I don't know what's going on in this thread, but the A-10 is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)11:00 No.13149404
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    Gripen= Jailbait
    Viggen= MILF
    Draaken = GILF

    It's a really hot Scandinavian family.
    >> A-10 Thunderbolt II 12/14/10(Tue)11:03 No.13149428
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    I'm sorry, dad. It's just that I've only got 18 years left, and after that I'm either left to collect dust in a museum or sold to the Peruvian Air Force. And that damn F-35 is going to replace me! I can't believe they're giving my job to a damned swept-wing multirole fighter.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/14/10(Tue)11:04 No.13149444
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    Yeah, I know, but-

    >The YF-22 was originally given the unofficial name "Lightning II", after the World War II fighter P-38, by Lockheed, which persisted until the mid-1990s when the USAF officially named the aircraft "Raptor". The aircraft was also briefly dubbed "SuperStar" and "Rapier". The F-35 later received the Lightning II name on 7 July 2006. The production model was formally named F-22 "Raptor" when the first production-representative aircraft was unveiled on 9 April 1997.

    In my mind, the F-22 will always be the P-38's successor, like the Hog to the Jug. Fuck the F-35.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)11:06 No.13149457
    Why is there so much F-35 hate on /tg/? Everyone of these plane threads lauds every plane under the sun (METAL PIPES) but bashes constantly on the newest Fighter/Attack jet in the world?
    >> A-10 Thunderbolt II 12/14/10(Tue)11:08 No.13149474
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    Damn straight.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)11:08 No.13149479
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    F-35 hate? What hate, we're practically swedaboo for the Draken-

    oh... you meant the _other_ F-35
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)11:13 No.13149520
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    >And that damn F-35 is going to replace me! I can't believe they're giving my job to a damned swept-wing multirole fighter.

    >mfw it's true
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)11:16 No.13149554
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    Retirement isn't so bad, you could spend some time in a nice museum hangar with me...
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/14/10(Tue)11:16 No.13149555
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    Maybe it's just the fact that it's a cheap light-fighter with 4.5 Gen tech, but it's gone way way over budget. And for myself, the fact that they gave it the F-22's name (still not gonna stop bitching about that) and the RAAF pre-bought a whole bunch.

    The VTOL version for our new assault ships, I'm fine with. But not the conventional versions- for that, I'm still sore over Sukhoi being turned down. We could had a Flanker factory and everything.

    >criticism amblaya
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)11:19 No.13149576
    Besides being too heavy, jack of all trades capable of none, overbudget, inefficient, and poorly designed, the F-35 is fucking ugly.

    And not in a good SU-25/A-10/MI-24 way. It's just an ungainly looking fat deuce that Lockheed crapped out on the American taxpayer.
    >> The Butcher 12/14/10(Tue)11:28 No.13149654
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    So thinking about joining the game and I have my character pretty much done. Just having a bit of a problem with the plane. I would like Frogfoot just for it's looks but it is true that the others will be flying away from me. Sukhoi gave me Su-22 to think about but I'm also considering Mig-29... but not sure about that one either. Gah, hard to decide.
    >> The Butcher 12/14/10(Tue)11:30 No.13149674
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    Herp Derp, I ment Mig-27. Wish I could get Mig-29.

    Attached my charsheet so you see what the character's stats are like.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)11:57 No.13149866

    Pilots won't fly it in rainstorms? Crap at what its supposed to do? Massively overbudget?

    Canada wants to get them. Most retarded thing I've ever heard. The fucking things can't handle arctic patrolling which is the critical at-home duty our jets face, now and in the future. And Steven Harper wants them "because everyone else is updating!"

    Fuck you, go buy some Super Hornets that can do the job they're supposed to and stop trying to showboat. Want to "support your allies?" Leave the fancy-ass crap to the nations that can afford it and go stock up ON SUPPORT. Biggest waste of $18B ever.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)12:03 No.13149903
    What's overly amusing to me, and anyone in the Canadian Defence industry, is that the best plane for Canada is the Eurofighter, with the SU-30 MKC hot on its heels.
    >> A-10 Thunderbolt II 12/14/10(Tue)12:17 No.13149990
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    You guys aren't looking to hire a straight-wing ground attack craft, are you? I can do close air support and forward air control, 33 years of experience.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)12:29 No.13150082
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    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)12:31 No.13150090
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    Not hot enough.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)12:32 No.13150096
    Man that's one hell of a curvy body, sexy as all fuck! I just wish the ugly bitch would get out of the way.
    >> girder 12/14/10(Tue)12:36 No.13150120
    >the best plane for Canada is the Eurofighter, with the SU-30 MKC hot on its heels
    Really? Why's that?
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)12:39 No.13150147

    Sexy Sexy Mirages.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)12:42 No.13150171
    Canada needs a Long Range Interceptor, with Ground attack capabilities.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)12:47 No.13150210
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    Hasn't the USAF tried to replace the A-10 repeatedly? I know the Army and Marines got real mad the last time they tried to replace it.
    >> girder 12/14/10(Tue)12:56 No.13150281
    Ah, I see.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)13:02 No.13150333
    Where can I get aircraft minatures?
    >> Knuckledragger 12/14/10(Tue)13:10 No.13150380

    Btw there "Superbug" pretty sure those are all "babies" no "Rhinos" in sight...

    But props for the Hornet love!
    >> girder 12/14/10(Tue)13:18 No.13150421
    Your local hobby shop would be a good place.

    I get mine at a shop at the mall next to the train station I go to everyday.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)13:18 No.13150423
    I always assumed
    WE MAD
    to simply be the marine slogan.
    >> Knuckledragger 12/14/10(Tue)13:28 No.13150490

    Hey now, Knuckledragger be a Marine and Hornet Mech, and he takes offense... Ah who am I kidding, the Grunts probably do say that all the time. They get treated like shit. I live the life of long hours, and ridiculously shitty maintenance because these damn birds are old.

    I don't even want to imagine what the older F-15 airframes are like to work on. Then again the AF designs their shit a bit more maintainer friendly. And Supers are the shit for us mechs cept I'll never see one. And I have yet to bust into the F-35 MOS unlike a few people I've worked with.

    Time will tell...
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)14:07 No.13150781
    Yeah I remember a book I read set a little before the gulf war stating something along the lines of
    "Operating a plane larger and slower than some World War 2 bombers in the modern world is impractical and thus it is planned that they will be replaced by the Advanced Strike Fighter due to come out within a few years..."

    Rrrright... "Few Years"

    Then the gulf war happened...

    But yet years later they STILL were talking about removing it...

    Maybe they should just divide the A-10s between the Army and Marines if the Air Force hates them so much.

    Guess it makes them Jealous on how the 'ugly' A-10 has gotten more kills than any of their super fighters.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)14:15 No.13150846
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    silly anon, that's not how you plane-girl

    >praskent honour
    no, your other honour
    >> Knuckledragger 12/14/10(Tue)14:15 No.13150852

    And if I could and they'd let me, I'd be a hog driver in a heartbeat, something about them I like and its not the GAU. I guess its because their resilience reminds me of my favorite the B-17...
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)14:47 No.13151071
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    There is a distinct lack of sexy in this thread.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)14:58 No.13151151

    Writing the background fluff for this thing sucks.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)15:08 No.13151227
    >But yet years later they STILL were talking about removing it...

    Actually, in the current situation, a supertucano or similiar prop plane is more sensible than the A10.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)15:12 No.13151258
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    Speaking of B-17s, I wonder if that WWII version of Mercenary Air Squadron ever came out. Probably as thoroughly mediocre as MAS if it did.
    >> Jack "Flapjack" Morrison 12/14/10(Tue)16:41 No.13151991
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    I'd love to see pic related used by PC mercenaries in a mission somehow.
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)21:05 No.13154813
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    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)21:22 No.13155044
    They were in the Planes and Mercs Campaign, well, maybe not that helicopter, but an MI-8 gunship, and an orbiting ACH-53 with a 105 recoiless.
    >> Jack "Flapjack" Morrison 12/14/10(Tue)21:59 No.13155519
    I was specifically to the UN paintjob, and masquerading as UN Peacekeepers until they open fire.
    I think the Foreign Legion did that in Op Again's original Planes and Mercs campaign.
    >> 'Ranga' Davidson 12/14/10(Tue)22:03 No.13155571

    I think I saw that in the Cat Shit One pilot...

    Also, the excitement mounts as the Broad Arrow mercenaries must pick their accommodations! And maybe find somewhere to get a beer!

    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)22:25 No.13155810
    Mercenary Pilots... Beer and a Bed, really, that's all you need aside from flight time...
    >> Anonymous 12/14/10(Tue)23:15 No.13156334
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    >Cat Shit One
    Operators gonna operate.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)03:53 No.13158458
    bump for PandM
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)08:36 No.13159686
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    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)12:04 No.13161018
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    Here's another gif from the Cat Shit One pilot.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)14:18 No.13161812
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    Hey girder, any progress on making that /tg/-oriented Air War/MAS mod?
    >> girder 12/15/10(Wed)19:36 No.13165002
    I've just gotten some free time for the holidays so I've just started to go over the rules for each of the systems.
    >> Anonymous 12/15/10(Wed)20:48 No.13165923
    I am actually following the campaign they have on the forum:http://s1.zetaboards.com/PlanesAndMercs/index/

    It looks interesting.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)00:25 No.13168399
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    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)03:42 No.13170239
    ITT: My dad can beat up your dad. In space.
    >> girder 12/16/10(Thu)08:24 No.13172097
    Okay, so I've started my effort at trying to create a Planes & Mercs homebrew for playing on /tg/.

    I'm taking cues from MAS, Air War, and the largely-freestyle format of the now-defunct Planes & Mercs Quest. So far I've decided to adapt the pilot and squadron modules of MAS, as well as the company options of the P&M GM.

    I've yet to settle on the combat system though, but I suppose that'll be the next thing on my to-do list.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)11:26 No.13173775
    Week long thread, this has to be a record.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)13:51 No.13175305
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    Keeping this alive to get those /tg/-modded rules.

    Pic is Achmed's Discount Air Service.
    "Is second-hand SAMs, I give you good discount!"
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)15:08 No.13176277

    the shifty weapons salesman in our P&M campaign is modeled after crazy hassan.

    it's fairly awesome.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)16:22 No.13177421
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    Better than this man.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)16:23 No.13177431
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    Though perhaps not this man.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)19:34 No.13180344
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    SAGE Ordnance sounds like a perfectly respectable company that would hire PMC's for perfectly legitimate reasons.
    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)23:22 No.13183131
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    >> Anonymous 12/16/10(Thu)23:56 No.13183554

    Oh, entirely.

    Tonight's game was fun- I let my players dink around with some of the 100mil + fighters and characters WAY above their level.

    it's scary what they did, really. someone managed an AtA kill with napalm.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)00:28 No.13183949
    >AtA kill with napalm.
    That's almost as impressive as this thread lasting a full week.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)00:41 No.13184125

    got really, really lucky on the rolls.

    insanely lucky, really.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)03:49 No.13186194

    Why is that jet so, so very sexy.
    >> girder 12/17/10(Fri)06:52 No.13187573
    Well, now I know what rival company to make for my campaign.

    Because it's a post-4th generation Sukhoi, practically everything they've made since the Su-27 is damn sexy.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)10:45 No.13189138
    Well, we've been able to keep this thread alive for a whole week through the judicious use of bumps.

    I think that proves that it is possible to keep a game session going over an extended period of several days in the case of players being in disparate timezones.
    >> Panas "Jackpot" Ivanov 12/17/10(Fri)10:46 No.13189147
    Jackpot here. I didn't miss anything, did I?
    >> girder 12/17/10(Fri)11:47 No.13189575
    Game-wise, no. It appears as if P&M GM has abandoned us. Although we did get two more willing player characters in the last thread.

    However, as you may have read above I'v uploaded an unofficial soundtrack, and am currently trying to adapt Air War and MAS into a simplified, /tg/-oriented Planes & Mercs system.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)14:21 No.13191015
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    Here's an Mi-8, to make any militant's day into a bad one.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)16:26 No.13192139
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    Holy shit, this thread's lasted a whole week?
    >> girder 12/17/10(Fri)19:29 No.13193909
    I'm as impressed as you are, man.

    Though those rules may have to wait until the next thread, what with how big this one's gotten.
    >> Anonymous 12/17/10(Fri)22:55 No.13196213
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